The Determined Society with Shawn French

The Wake-Up Call That Changed Stacey Kay's Health, Career, and Life

72 min
Jan 23, 20264 months ago
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Summary

Stacey Kay, founder of Hydrate IV services, shares her journey from high-stress healthcare sales to building a mobile IV hydration business. The episode explores her personal struggles with addiction, anxiety, and burnout, and how meditation, self-love, and intentional action transformed her life and career trajectory.

Insights
  • Burnout in high-pressure sales roles manifests physically (heart palpitations, anxiety attacks) and emotionally (anger outbursts), requiring holistic intervention beyond income
  • Transcendental meditation and mindfulness practices are practical tools for managing stress and anxiety, particularly for high-achievers who struggle with perfectionism
  • Building a purpose-driven business requires slowing down the sales cycle and focusing on service quality over speed, contrary to traditional sales culture
  • Absorption rates matter significantly—IV therapy delivers 100% nutrient absorption versus 20% from oral supplements, highlighting the value of bioavailability in health optimization
  • Accountability without shame is essential; taking responsibility for outcomes while practicing self-compassion enables sustainable personal and professional growth
Trends
Concierge mobile IV therapy and wellness services gaining traction as preventative healthcare alternative to emergency room visitsMental health and stress management becoming primary conversation topics in wellness consultations, not just physical symptomsHigh-dose IV vitamin C therapy adoption for immune support and cancer treatment adjuncts in functional medicine practicesCareer pivots in midlife (40s-50s) becoming more common as professionals prioritize purpose and health over salary and corporate advancementMeditation and transcendental meditation gaining mainstream adoption among high-performing professionals as anxiety and depression management toolNutrient optimization and supplementation becoming standard practice for active individuals and athletes seeking competitive advantageElectrolyte and hydration awareness increasing, particularly post-illness and among endurance athletes managing performance recoveryPercussive therapy and recovery technology (massage guns, compression boots) becoming mainstream wellness tools for home useLifestyle medicine and preventative health gaining credibility as alternative to reactive emergency care modelGenerational shift toward lifelong learning and continuous skill development, particularly in midlife career transitions
Topics
Transcendental Meditation (TM) for anxiety and stress managementMobile IV hydration therapy and electrolyte balanceBurnout in healthcare sales and high-pressure corporate environmentsAddiction recovery and substance abuse in 20sNursing education and career transition from sales to healthcareBody image issues and competitive athleticsMagnesium supplementation and sleep optimizationNutrient absorption rates (oral vs. IV delivery)Percussive therapy and recovery technologyMeditation and mindfulness practices for executivesPurpose-driven entrepreneurship and business buildingAccountability and personal responsibility in health outcomesGrief processing and forgiveness workElectrolyte management for athletic performancePreventative healthcare versus emergency room model
Companies
Hydrate
Stacey Kay's mobile concierge IV hydration company providing customized drips and wellness services in Southwest Florida
TheraBody
Sponsor providing percussive therapy devices (TheraGun Pro Plus) and recovery technology (Jet Boots Pro Plus) for mus...
BioOptimizers
Supplement company mentioned for magnesium powder product containing all eight magnesium forms for sleep optimization
People
Stacey Kay
Founder and owner of Hydrate IV services; former healthcare sales professional who transitioned to nursing and entrep...
Michael Singer
Author of 'The Untethered Soul'; meditation teacher whose work on narrative and mindfulness influenced Stacey's perso...
Shawn French
Host of The Determined Society podcast; interviewer exploring Stacey's journey and business philosophy
Dr. Jason Werslin
Founder of TheraBody/TheraGun; created percussive therapy technology after personal injury and pain experience
Quotes
"Actions of foundational key to all success"
Stacey KayPicasso quote referenced throughout episode
"This is the exact moment where people give up. And I'm not willing to do that."
Stacey KayYear and a half into business startup
"I have more conversations with people about their stress level when their IV is dripping than nutrition."
Stacey KayMid-episode
"Forgiveness is always for you. Always. It's never for somebody else."
Stacey KayDiscussion of healing and letting go
"Slowly is the quickest way to get to where you want to go."
Stacey KayBusiness building philosophy
Full Transcript
Oh, guys, the TheraBody Pro Plus series saved my behind. And let me explain to you what I mean by that. A few weeks ago, I had FluA. The body aches were so bad to where I was waking up every two hours on the dot. Couldn't stay asleep for more than that. Extreme neck pain, back pain and leg pain. And I finally started using my brain. I said, hey, I have this amazing technology in my house. And I had my wife run that TheraGone on my shoulder blades, my neck, my traps, anything you can think of my lower back. And then I threw on the jet boots pro plus. And let me tell you something, guys, the pain instantly started to go away. But the most important thing that I want to stress is TheraBody just isn't for recovery when you are beating your body up in the gym. It is for everything. If you need to sleep better, if you need some relaxation, do yourself a favor and use these products. I was able to sleep. And because I was able to sleep, I started getting better. My symptoms started going away. And I recovered within a day. But I was down for four to five days total. And I just got to tell you guys that what an amazing technology. So our listeners through March 31st, 2027, can get 15% off their first order. Now this is US only. The only thing that you need to do is go to TheraBody.com, pick up a TheraGone Pro Plus or some jet boots pro plus and dive in, guys. Use this technology to help you recover, to make you feel better and even sleep better. Use code word determined and remember this is US only your first order TheraBody.com code word determined. You dealt with addiction in your 20s. I did alcohol drugs. I was having heart palpitations. My arm went numb. I basically thought I was having a heart attack. That was a big wake up call that I needed to slow down. I wasn't happy doing what I was doing. The stress was getting too much. I was having these outbursts and I just wasn't mentally fit or healthy. I had a moment where I just had a meltdown in front of my daughter and my husband. And that's when I realized I had to do something for me. Yeah. Yeah. The only person I could blame was myself. Let's talk about what's in my arm. You are hooked up to what's called a lactated ringer bag, an isotonic bag of fluids. It's exactly what's in your body. I have more conversations with people about their stress level when their IV is dripping than nutrition. It saved my life, Sean. I feel younger and better right now than I did in my 30s. What's up guys? We're back here with Stacey Kay, the founder and owner of Hydrate, a concierge mobile IV and hydration company. As you guys can see, I'm hooked up on a lot of stuff right now and we're going to go through. And she's going to talk about what she has me on. There's some specific reasons why I asked for a certain ingredient in this. But before we get to that, Stacey, welcome to the show, girl. Thank you. It's been so long since I've seen you. I know. I'm very happy to be here. Thank you. I'm very happy to have you here. And we've been talking about this for quite some time. I think I saw you at a year ago. I think it was at G's graduation party. Yeah. Right around this. I wasn't even a year ago. Right? No. It wasn't. I was just a little bit surprised. Sometimes I think it's been a year, but it's only been a year. And before that, it was Halloween. Oh my God. And your kids. Yes. That was a long time ago. Right. Before all of this, Sean. I know before all of this. I'm so proud of you. And by the way, I appreciate you. It's been a long road, right? Yeah. I think I might have been with paychecks when, yes. You know, and then it was, then I got into medical and we were talking about our corporate jobs and the sales grind. Yeah. Sales grind. That's a real grind, man. Like it's, it's so difficult. But if you let it get away from you, which I did, it can really physically like burden your body. It can bring you to your knees. I'll tell you what. And I'm going to blame it all on Dan. He put me through a lot of stress at paychecks. I love it. But no, it was a very high-paced, high volume, high-touch job. And with that, your health can struggle. You know, when I start at paychecks, I was in decent shape. And then as the years went on, that's when I really started to struggle again with my weight because I was always porn. I was in and out of the car eating on the go. And we always pride ourselves in sales like to never have breakfast or never eat lunch alone. You want to be in front of somebody, right? And then you're constantly eating out and it can wreak havoc on you, right? And the stress and it's hard to enjoy the holidays when you're completely stressed out over sales. But you know, for you, let's, let's touch on that. So quick, well, no, actually, let's talk about what's in my arm. Sure. So you are hooked up to what's called a lactated ringer bag. And that has some additional electrolytes normal than just like normal saline, which is typically what they'll hook you up with if you go into the emergency room in the hospital, which is, you know, a nice, atonic bag of fluids. It's exactly what's in your body. So this has some additional potassium and calcium chloride in it. And we give these to our clients who have food poisoning, who have been maybe had vomiting for three days, hang over bags just because it's extra hydrating, UTIs, those sorts of things. And then I added a B complex to this amino acids because your workout routine, so synthesizing that muscle. And then we added some magnesium, which magnesium is like responsible for over 300 processes in our body. Our brains, our heart, our muscles all need magnesium. And we just don't get enough of it in our diets anymore. What are some foods that do contain magnesium? Leafy greens, nuts, seeds, all whole foods, right? You lost me at leafy greens. Yeah, I know. I'm out. So try to drink. Could you drink your leafy greens? Because that's an alternative. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no. And again, I eat what I need to eat. And to get the volume that you need, you just can't find it in a bunch of romaine or broccoli. Right. A lot of times you do need to supplement, especially if you're super active. The other thing with magnesium, it really helps you sleep better. Yep. Absolutely. Magnesium glycinate is the one that you want to lean on if you need to sleep better. It helps, again, relax those muscles. And there's eight different magnesiums. What's the name of that one? It's bio optimizers. It has a really good powder that has all eight of the magnesiums in it. So I'll go to a powder. But anything ingested, right? So like a supplement, which I'm a fan of supplements, I partner with two high quality vitamin groups. You're getting 20% of that absorbed. Today, Sean, you're getting 100% of those vitamins absorbed. So that's interesting, right? I want to tell you a funny story. The audience might get a kick out of this one. So I went to, I think, vitamin shop and got some magnesium glycinate, right? And it was a powdered form. In that night, I made the mistake of not mixing it with like a lecture lights or something. I put it just in there with water. It was the, it was like, it got awful. And now, you know, but I did go down there and I threw some essential amino acids in because I didn't, I don't think I had any electrolytes in it. And it made it taste better, but a 20% absorption versus 100% absorption. That's a, that's a mass differential there. It is. And, you know, that's why we always think we're ahead of the game when we're really behind it because we think, okay, we're eating right. We're taking our supplements, but the absorption rate is so low that we need to support an augment. And I always say with this company, we're not here to fix and cure. We're here to support an augment because we have, you have to be doing things on your end, right? Diet, exercise, sleep, sunlight, stress levels is huge. I'm a big fan of meditation. We'll go into that too. But we have to have our mind and body synced up. And so we don't do IVs on healthy people every week. I've got people asking me for them, but I don't think it's healthier natural. So I like the once a month maintenance. If you have a good back, you know, plan that you're doing on the back end. That's great because that was the next question I was going to ask you for somebody like me who's active, how often would I need to have something like this done? I mean, if it's once a month, that's a pretty easy lift. And you come, right? I mean, hell, you were at the studio right now and I'm hooked up on a bag. 100% mobile, right? 100% mobile. How often do you see people doing regular maintenance, sort of they use it as a reactionary supplement? That's all of the above, really. I think a good maintenance plan. I do once a month because I have a pretty healthy lifestyle on the back end. If something's going on or I'm fighting something because I see a lot of sick people too. So if I've had a round of flu people, I might increase it. I've been doing some high dose IV vitamin C, which helps with basically any viruses that are in your body. We have a lot of cancer clients that are on that as well because it's really good for the body as far as not disrupting the healthy cells like the chemo does, but it can enhance the positive cells and disrupt the senescent cells or the cancer cells. But I think a good plan for healthy individual is once a month unless you're training for something like we see marathon runners and they lose just through breathing, through sweating. They're losing a ton of magnesium in electrolytes. We'll see them once a week while they're training or once every other week. Wow. Wow. That's pretty cool. Yep. You're starting to slow down just a little bit. I'm going to slow down. Can I check this for a while for you? Yeah. Sit. Okay, there. Sit. Get a lie. We have a live adjustment, ladies and gentlemen, live adjustment. So okay, walk me through. Right. Again, I mentioned earlier that you were in the medical field and in sales and out. And there's a lot of people listening and watching right now that are in a certain field, but they also have this passion. They have this business that they want to start. Walk me through your transition, why you transitioned and some of the pitfalls, right? Some of the struggle that you had to go through in order to build this company. So I've been in healthcare sales in Southwest Florida for over 20 years. Different, you okay? Yeah. Okay. Different venues. So I was in facility sales, mostly prescription driven things. Home health was the last 12 years of my life. That's a tough one. Anyone, you can ask any home health rep right now. And it's because there's 60 competitors on your back. So we were all, you know, vying for the same business, for the same doctors, this, you know, to write for us and refer to us. And it was a grueling grind. So with the same company for 12 years. And we were in the senior population. So the 65 and up, what's what I was used to. So calling on doctors, calling on CEOs of hospitals and you either have competitive sales ability in you or you don't. And I always had competitiveness in me. So I thrived in it. It was great. I was great at it. And it was fun until it wasn't. Just waking up, being strategic, trying to beat everyone else out of the referral, just the hunter and gatherer approach every day. And I remember being in this account. Well, first, I was just remember kind of sitting in my car towards the end of my on the street sales career. And just trying to muster up all the energy I had to go into the account or doing those drive buys where you never go in. Oh, dude, those man. Where you pull in and then you're like, I just don't have the energy today. Yeah. I'm out. Peace out. Yeah. I did a lot of that. I've done a lot of that. I think. And I'm glad you mentioned that because that is something that a lot of elite salespeople don't mention. They, they like to claim that they don't ever do that. And I'm going to call bullshit. Because there's many times, right? I mean, there's emotions. There's, there's real life that you're going through. And there's also the certain intuition that I felt that I had that if I pulled up somewhere. And I'm like, you know what? I don't know how I'm going to approach this because there's too many factors here that I'm working against. I may pull in and be like, you know what? I'm going to come back to this and I'm going to move on. But that was very few and far between the times where I just reversed out of that parking spot was just when I just wasn't feeling it. Because it is heavy. Yes. You have to, you have to come to the account with something to say an action behind it, a request, information. Like I always wanted to, I always wanted to go to nursing school when I was in sales, not necessarily to nurse, but to be able to sell better. It was always in me. I just discovered it much later in life. But there were plenty of times where I backed out of the parking lot, you know? But you know what? It was interesting. Those times that I did on a whim just go in and not want to, but said, you know, basically fuck it. Let's go in and do it. Where some of my best sales calls. I bet. So it was on a whim, right? Yeah. But so just grinding every day, getting that sale, getting these huge commission checks, the home health world started to change. There started to be some reimbursement cuts. So it was pivoting to a different, you know, model. Our company had sold to a larger conglomerate. And I was just, I wasn't feeling it anymore. And I remember going into one of my largest accounts and I ate my sandwich in the car and I was just like, all right, let's do this and just negative attitude. And I went in and I was talking with a lady in there and she looked at me. She goes, are you okay? And I go, I don't feel good. Turned white. So where I had this account that was always coming in treating the people, you know, the EMS was coming in. The EMS was being called on me. I was having heart palpitations. My arm went numb. Oh, shit. And I basically thought I was having a heart attack. They came in. They did EKGs. You know, I have all these people around me. And usually again, it was for the client that I was going to see, but then they were being called for me. That was a big wake up call that I needed to slow down. And just bringing the work home, right? Your family gets the brunt of your stressors. And I had a moment where I just had a meltdown in front of my daughter and my husband. And it was almost an out of body experience where I remember looking up at them in the middle of this episode. Let's call it. And there are faces. We locked eyes and their faces were just in disbelief. And that's when I realized this, I had to do something for me. So this was the same instance. This is the same situation. Same year, right? Same year, okay. Things were just piling up. I wasn't happy doing what I wanted, what I was doing. The stress was getting too much. I was having these outbursts. And I just wasn't mentally fit or healthy. Wow. What type of outbursts would you say you were having? Anger. A lot of anger. Yeah. Yeah. That's the pressure, right? And I don't think enough salespeople really talk about that. When I re, you know, for me, it was always happening. Yeah. Short, you know, whether short fuse, some stress, like I don't have any more room emotionally or in my mind to deal a bullshit. And I don't know about you, Sean, at that time, but I was the breadwinner of the family. So I was bringing, and I loved the money. Don't get me wrong. I mean, those, you know, paychecks, I wanted them to go higher each month. So I was inducing it on myself. And that meltdown made me see that, that, that I need to do something for me. Hey, guys, we're going to take a quick break and we're going to slide into our recovery segment brought to you by TheraBody. What an amazing technology that TheraBody has. And it was founded on a really cool story by Dr. Jason Werslin. It was founded on pain. He got into an accident and had this extreme pain in his arm and found that percussive therapy really helped. He created the very first version of the TheraGun with a Makita drill, just a pilot and test to see if his pain could be relieved by percussive therapy overall. And surely it was. So now birth to the TheraGun and now TheraBody who has a multitude of products to help you recover emotionally and physically. And some of the products even help with stress, meditation and better sleep and just overall better wellness. And when I had Dr. Jay on the show earlier in 2025, it really spoke to me because his platform was founded out of a physical pain and the determined society was founded out of emotional pain. And so it felt natural for us to partner up. So here we are an official partnership with TheraBody. And I want to talk to you about some of the products today that I've been enjoying that I think you need to understand and know more about so you could potentially implement them into your life. And I'm not going to get into a big deep dive of the actual science and everything like that. I'm just going to give you some anecdotal information based on the products that I'm using and that my wife is actually using too. That is helping us out a great deal at home because the great thing about these products guys is you can use them anywhere. You can use them in the gym. You can use them at home in your bed in your living room. Hell you can even drive with a Thera Thera gun pro plus in your car and use it on your quads, use it on your arms, whatever that is. The first thing I want to talk about is the Thera gun pro plus. I bring that in my gym bag every day to the gym. And when I'm warming up, I use it to warm up. I put it on my arms, whatever body part I'm using that day, I activate those muscles. And what I find is I'm able to move my body a lot quicker and I'm a lot stronger on those days that I do actually bring it and utilize it. I just think it's a great way to understand your body and the connection between your strength and your muscles and being warm and being able to perform because it's one thing to go work out, but it's another thing to perform while you're doing it. And the Thera gun pro plus helps me do that. Another thing that I really truly enjoy is the Jet Boots pro plus. These things are wire free. There's no hassle. There's no quads. There's infrared LED light. There's that compression therapy. And I've been having bad pains in my ankles, both of them actually, for about a year. And I don't understand where it's coming from. But when I started using the boots, religiously after a leg day or after a cardio session, I throw those boots on and I find myself a lot looser afterwards. I find myself lighter. And then the next day, there's no pain in my lower extremity, like my feet. The other thing that I really enjoy is that product really helps me recover a lot quicker and let's face it. That's the most important thing when we're trying to move our bodies or we're trying to succeed in life is we want quick recovery emotionally and physically. And these products help me do that. And it can help you do that as well. One of the other things that I really want to go into because it's helped my wife out a ton with headaches and being able to distract from the noise and our mind. And honestly, it helps me with that too is a smart goggles. Whenever we feel a slight headache coming on or things are getting really heavy, just in our minds, just thinking about all the stressors, all the things out there that we can't control, we throw the goggles on, getting a quiet place. And there's there's different cycles on there and different intensities of vibrations and massaging that you can either turn it up or turn it down. And what I really enjoy is it allows me to focus on what's going on with just me and I think about things and the massaging with the smart goggles relieves either headaches and it relaxes me and relaxes my wife to a point where we can fall asleep better. We are preparing to kind of downshift and shut down and slow down for the evening. So I heavily recommend them. The other thing it's really good for is just creating a peaceful time in your day. And what I found since using the smart goggles and then the other products is it works for me. It works for my family and I know it can work for you too. So I want you guys to think about things that you are struggling with if it's lower back pain or you wake up in the morning, your neck is tight. I'm going to tell you the Theragon Pro Plus will help that out. They have cold therapy on it, hot therapy. I mean, think about that. When I open that box and realize that I could have heat therapy and cold therapy and the Theragon changed everything for me and also really made the thing that I hate doing the most is warm up made that very easy for me just by applying it to the muscle group that I'm going to use before I do it and in between sets, which promotes quicker recovery between sets. So if you're looking to go high volume or to lift heavy weights, I strongly consider that. All these products are there to help you move along in your day with less pain and recover quicker. So go check it out because now, like I said, the official partnership has begun and from now until the end of March in your first order, you get 15% off your first order, not every order. So if you're going to buy some stuff, load up there in that card for that first time and you get 15% off, go to Therabody.com and at checkout, the code is determined. So let me know how you guys like it until then, stay determined. What that day when they came in and hooked you up to the EKGs, what did they determine? It was, was it just anxiety? Yeah. And so like that right there, I feel like, you know, I mean, I've had people telling me like, I don't believe in anxiety. I'm like, well, I mean, you don't have to. If you don't have it, then you're a unicorn. But for me, you know, I battle anxiety constantly. And for me, the only way that I can circumvent those feelings is to execute everything that I say I was going to execute. And if I leave one thing that I was supposed to do that I didn't do, that cranks up the dial of anxiety to me so freaking high, I'm talking like even, you know, getting very granular with it. Let's say I'm at the gym. I say, okay, I'm doing chest today. I need to do three chest exercises. I'm going to do some lateral raisins, some frontal raises from my shoulders and then two sets. I'm two exercises of some triceps. And I'm going to burn out on abs. I'll get down to the end of the workout and not want to do one or two of those things. And the times that I do them, I don't have any anxiety the rest of the day. But if I just do six out of the seven and that's a pretty good percentage, right? That's winning. What happens is later on in the day, if I'm supposed to do something to help my wife or to help the kids, there may be certain tasks that I just don't do. And then all that stuff compounds like I was six for seven. But now after the end of the day, I'm six for 10 and that's only 60%. So I go to bed feeling very unaccomplished. Like I have to hit every single thing that I say I'm going to do. And I also have to learn to scale it back. Like maybe I can only put five things on my plate that day. How do you deal with anxiety? So that was more situational. But I'll tell you exactly how I dealt and it really it saved my life, Sean, in so many perspectives. But after that incident happened, I discovered meditation. Okay. So the TV was on one day. Nobody was watching it. It was one of those weekends where we're just doing chores. And the TV was on and we were probably watching something but then another program had come on. And there was a gentleman on there talking about the narrative that's happening in our heads all the time that we're unaware of. It's subconsciously happening. And his name is Michael Singer. He doesn't do very many interviews. He's from Florida. He lives in the Gainesville area. And he was talking about his book that he read. I mean that he wrote, excuse me, the untethered soul. And it was just the way that he was explaining. We can either deal with the task at hand or we can avoid it. And the avoiding of whatever is disturbing us inside is where the fear and the anxiety comes from. Because it's too painful for us to go there. So we want to try to avoid pain and avoid the hard conversations with ourselves about what we need to do to get healthier and better because they're scary. They're fearful. I lost my dad at 27 instantly. He was my rock. And I never dealt with the sadness from that. So I think that just ran into my life. Because behind sadness is there's anger there or behind anger is sadness. And if you just carry those from decade to decade and job to job and relationship to relationship, you constantly fighting it. He put it in a way where we have to sit, get comfortable with it and learn how to gracefully accept and then let it go. So he took me down this trajectory of TM Transcendental Meditation, which I got trained. Okay. Okay. Trained and it saved my life. And I for three years I removed myself from my social marketing. I was still working. Right. I was still in it. But I knew the problem was me after that incident with my husband and my daughter. And I said I need to work on myself. I had never healed from anything. I was a competitive gymnast early on and there were body image issues that were constantly brought up back in the 80s. I didn't know you were a gymnast. Oh yeah. Competitive. Yeah. Nationally. Damn. And so big emphasis on body fat and composition. And I was a muscular shorter statured. So I didn't, you know, I had to work at it a little bit harder. But I remember seeing pictures of myself at like my eighth grade birthday or excuse me eight year old birthday and I have a t-shirt over my fading suit. And I look at that little body and I'm like it's so fit and great, but I didn't like it even then. So meditation. So for those three years I sat with myself. And I learned to love myself. I learned to be patient with my choices. I learned to trust myself. I didn't trust any of my decisions in my 20s. My whole 20s were spent partying. Yeah, I was like my friend. I was like, three of these two. Yeah, I was a freaking mass student. Broken a mass addictive personality. Partying it took me nine years to get through college. But oh, you beat me. I think it took me six. That was always like, you should have your doctor by now. You did. Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah, if I worked really hard at it. Yeah, for sure. And I went to, you know, five different colleges. I just couldn't get it together. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the mental health aspect, right? And I want to touch on the body image thing. Like, sitting here like in this conversation, like there's so many valuable points that you're making and educational things that the audience can pick up on. I'm sorry. I think. And again, this isn't a study I've done. But from everybody that I know deals with some type of body image issue. And I do as well. Like I still have it. And no matter what I do, I don't see myself for what maybe you see or call and dance and see. I see that old Sean, right? And I'm constantly fighting myself to heal from that and to tell myself like, you're not that dude anymore. You don't even look like that. And what people that may not deal with body image issues, don't understand is every time you walk out of the freaking house, you're worried about what everybody thinks you look like. That is a lot to deal with. Sure. Yeah. And our, in our professions that we were in, right? You have to look the part. We're entertaining doctors. We're out late at night. We're eating. We're drinking. And it truly is. And you always hear about it, but it truly is an inside job. So those three years I paused and I was like, you're going to have to freaking like it or love it. You got to get comfortable in your own skin. And not worry about what anybody's saying and the gossip and the noise and that voice that I learned that, you know, that's always happening that narrative. I fed into it all those years and it was negative. So naturally it was guiding my life in a negative way. And I just bought into it until Michael Singer came along and taught me there's another way. So TM teaches you to focus on a mantra word so you can quiet the noise, quiet the brain and then not be so reactive. And it's a daily reprieve, right? It doesn't just sit down and do it. I mean, one minute felt like an hour. Oh, I bet. Like I'm like listening to you in like transidental meditation. Like I cannot be left alone with my own thoughts for more than a minute. It's when I'm trying to be quiet about it. Sure. Now, so continue to walk me through the, through TM and the audience through TM because, you know, I think there's a lesson here for the audience because some people meditate in different ways. I firmly believe in active meditation. For me, if I'm moving my body, I go so deep on myself. Like really, like I have that people to say, like bitch face in the gym. I'm like the nicest guy ever. If I see somebody and you come into contact, I'll smile. But if you see me across, I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm just locked in. And it almost looks like I'm pissed off, but I'm not. I'm really a value. Yes, I'm focused on me. How do I feel physically? How do I feel emotionally? Okay, if I feel down emotionally, what did I do the night before? Where is this coming from? What am I worrying about that's outside of my control? So for me, you know, the active meditation, if I'm not in the gym, then I'm not a person you want to be around. So how did you get from one minute seemed like a year to being able to practice it consistently and then heal from some of these past traumas? Same way I, someone asked me how I trained for my half marathon. You know, I literally did it one foot in front of the other. And I live my life by this motto from Picasso. It's a quote. I ingrained it in my daughter so much that she's got it tattooed on her body now. So she has to live up to it and it's actions of foundational key to all success because it truly, truly is. I've had ideas. I've, we got the driveway, you know, where we're going up in parking in the parking lot and we're going to go into the see the sales guy and we don't we turn around. We're not going to get anything accomplished if there's no action. So I was holding myself accountable at that moment with my daughter and my husband that this is a me problem and I need to fix me and I need to get comfortable with me and I need to love me because I haven't loved me or trusted me. And I just knew I had to do the work and I was at such a emotionally drained time that no, I, the only person I could blame was myself. And things just started to align, right? Like the message that day with Michael Singer, like I just, I'm, you know, you know, very spiritual, very religious and the timing, God will just plop things in your life when he needs you to wake up. And that's what happened that day was because I could have been walking past it and not been alert to it. But I was and I, and I laser focused and probably like you being in sales when we do something, we go all in. So that's what that three years was for was sitting and getting comfortable and taking those pieces of Stacy that caused so much destruction, self destruction in the past and saying, okay, I see you, I hear you, you're a part of me, but I'm going to take over from here. Very interesting. And I agree 100, 100 billion percent on this. That time frame of the three years, what, what years was that? So that I was still in sales. So that was prior to COVID. 15, 16, 17, yes, 15, 16, 17. Yeah. About 10 years ago. That, that, okay. How often are you still doing TM? So it's easy to get off. And I've noticed little, I'll get all, like with eating, but anything, you've realized that you're off track a little bit because you're short fused or you're edgy or you're not happy. And so my husband will look at me and say, I think you need to start meditating again. It'll mark us. I'll tell you what's up. Yes, I know. He will. He's actually grounded me so much just from being so different than me. And he was also divinely plopped into my life at the time when I needed it. I try to get up every morning and I give myself grace, right? I think, I think we need to give ourselves grace. I love to walk five miles, but if I only have time to walk two, at least I walked two. Exactly. So on those times where I was like, oh, I only walk two, no, Stacy, you walk two and that's great. Go on with your day. Yeah. So I tried to incorporate it at least five to 10 minutes a morning. Hmm. You know, it's interesting because you're talking about a process and a standard. And I think a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of human beings, just in general, will not go deep enough to understand that a standard is something that they do not break. You cannot break a standard. And for you, the standard is keeping up on this because if you don't keep up on this, you're not taking action, right? You're not. And you're going to evolve throughout the years. I mean, that was 10 years ago. Now you might have different triggers. You might have different traumas. You might have different worries and concerns. And so but if you're not sitting quietly with yourself, then you cannot identify what those things are. Correct. One of the biggest things that you mentioned is accountability, right? You really without saying it or maybe you did say that word accountability, but when you dive into yourself and you know that it's 100% in you, that's what you said. Like this is 100% a me thing that I need to fix. You know, that's a very powerful statement because I think a lot of times people get it twisted. Extreme accountability, I think, is very healthy. I'll fight it tooth and nail. Like people can tell me that's not healthy. Now I think it really is because you can either lie to yourself or you can tell the truth to yourself. And if there's things that we need to fix, then being honest with you is very important, but I will take it a step further, right? You have to be very careful not to shame yourself in the process. So throughout the years, for me, I'm struggling with weight. I was always trying to get better shape. I wanted to be shredded. You know, I want, you know, veins popping out of my arm. I want to look like a threat, right? I'm still on that grind. I want to look like a threat. I have two daughters. Like I want people to be scared of me. That's so great. And a lot of work to go. People are like, I'm not scared of you. You've got great veins. Well, yeah, we're, hey, it's starting, right? But I think for me in the past, it was always done at a shame. Sure. Like I hate myself. Because for the audience, you know, watching and listening, I can openly say it wasn't until last December. I started truly loving who I am and understanding what I needed to do to get back to myself. And my wife always told me, which obviously you know, Jackie, she was, she's like, you know, you have this reservoir that is empty. I'm like, what are you talking about? Just confidence. I was like, no, I'm confident. She goes, no, no, no, you are on the surface. But deep down there's a reservoir that has a very small level of confidence. In over the last five years, I have filled that bucket. There's no longer a void. But it was three steps forward, a hundred steps back. And it wasn't until last year that I took complete control with my friend, Jeff Delaney, and he helped me get back on track. And he helped me understand what I put in my body matters. What I supplement with as far as hormones, like all this stuff matters. And I was able to then take full accountability with love, with love. Like I'm doing this because I love myself. And now I feel much better about who I am. Sure. And when you have those, that's, that's awesome. I mean, it's, it's so in line with how I felt too. And I think it's not an uncommon story, right? We're all dealing with this. We all have the insecurities. We all have the pressures of the family and the job. Um, but if you're, you just have to get to that point where you're loving yourself and you're giving yourself what you need. And I always lead right now with intention. I know if I'm skimming and I know when I'm not. And I know when my intentions are good and when they're not. And when they're not, I don't move forward with it. It has to have good intentions like this. It has to have safety first because we're dealing with people's lives and blood and nutrition. But I'll be honest with you, I have more conversations with people about their stress level when their IV is dripping than nutrition. I bet. People are riddled with anxiety these days. And I want them to get to a point. Where they can take control of that, understand where it's coming from, go right through the process and deal with it. So they can live this beautiful, self-secured, successful life. Because if you don't have that in order, you're not going to move forward and advanced and evolve. And it saddens me when I see people in their 70s with, you know, no direction like that. It's hard because I look at these two words that come up a lot nowadays, right? We have a mental health problem. Social media, constant comparison. Am I up to snuff with that person? Or am I doing enough to get ahead, but anxiety and depression, right? Obviously, you know, depression, you're worried consistently about problems that are rooted in the past. And if we are living in constant state of anxiety, we are worried about things that have not happened yet, right? We are projecting or creating a narrative about something bad that might could happen that probably won't. And all the things that I worry about, like happening, I would say maybe less than 1% of them actually do. Absolutely. Right. Like, but for me, and again, I always touch on this and it's almost like I'm a broken record. But different people listen every single week. So I like to go over it is. I live in the past or I live in the future. So depression or anxiety, if I'm not taking care of myself, if I'm out being active, very little anxiety. But when it hits, it hits so fucking hard. Last week, I took my, my middle daughter to gymnastics. I texted my wife, I go, I am so anxious right now. I think I'm going to throw up like in the out of nowhere. And I think what's important is that these things are going to come up. Like you're not going to be 100% cured of these things, but how we respond and how we move through those emotions, intentionally mean everything. And staying present. So you've mentioned the past and the future, which is really where everyone lives, right? And the state in the past, like with depression, anxiety in the future. And through the meditation and the teachers that I listen to and the people that I get my information from and my strategies and protocols, basically, I really, when that's happening, it's, I work on grounding techniques. So touch, feel, smell. You work on your senses and the grounding techniques, but also staying present. There's nothing. Where is young is wherever going to be right now. Should I? Right now. This is, we're in a present environment. And yes, we have families and we have jobs and we have to cultivate and we have to think about. But ultimately, whenever I get anxious or whenever I'm in a situation like that, you know, uncomfortable. That's how you grow, first of all, this, which is why I try to seek them out. But staying present really helps me stay focused and being grounded. Like feeling the ground under your feet, you know, and you see those techniques with the fingers, it just keeps people grounded. So those are some of the conversations I'll have with people about stress levels. And of course, meditation. Well, I think what's cool is like when you're having conversations when people are hooked up to your bags and they're getting the nutrients, there's a sense of calm, right? Because at that point, they're taking care of my, of their self, right? And they're more open. You know, I would imagine there's a lot of great conversations with some of your clients that you go to their house and you probably leave them much better than when you found them and they attribute not just the treatment to them feeling better, but also talking to you. The conversations. Yeah. It's, it's amazing that I'm able on some of my clients who are struggling with addiction to be able to have some of those conversations. It kind of comes full circle for me. As a struggling addict in my 20s. It's, it's a, it almost get like an out of body experience talking with them because I'm able to kind of give them, you know, some advice or education or be able to relate to them, you know, and I just, I want to help them. But you're right from a physical standpoint and an mental standpoint. It's really cool. So you dealt with addiction in your 20s? I did. Alcohol drugs. Drugs. Wow. Yeah. You know, I, I asked that because I actually love that. I think it's a prerequisite, right? Because if you did not have those experiences, the things that you're doing now with your business and identifying of those types of those clients when they open up to you, like they're, they're looking for more than just fluids. They want to talk to somebody and the fact that you've been through it, that, that you're able to help that person. I think it's super important to give back. Absolutely. It's on purpose and mission focused. And I couldn't be happier with the decision I made to do this. So walk us through it, right? So like, okay, building a business is not easy. I mean, like I thought this was a business and it wasn't until 2025, really, right? And then massive explosion of growth. It's then, right? But, but building something doesn't matter what it is. It always comes with worry, anxiety. And now it's all on your ass. Like you don't have that salary, you don't have that those benefits. Walk the audience through the building of this company and the brand and acquiring clients and some of the, some of the things that you may have to counsel yourself through in order to do so. Well, so by the time I decided to do this and go back to school, I was a regional sales manager at that time. So I did team and it was, it was a nice transition for me from the, the grind on the street to then being able to mentor and teach a group, which I loved. And, you know, I was in a corporate environment, but it wasn't a really bad corporate environment. It was just the numbers, right? They grow every year. They grow every, you know, quarter in your comps, ranks. Yes. So the stressor is there, but I just with the evolution of myself with the, the, on the meditation journey and the nutritional journey and loving myself, my, my job and the character didn't align with my purpose and where I was mentally. So COVID happened, you know, I had gotten IVs before. That was when they were just getting going. I've been always into nutrition before my last 12 years, like I said, was in home hell. And I always noticed a gap in care. Always there was a gap in care of the non emergent needs, having to go to the ER that clogs up the ER, you know, it triage is a little bit differently. You need to have room to get your, you know, high, you know, emergency clients and people would just go on a bag of fluids. They'd run some tests for dehydration. And then they'd leave, you know, they'd get a $2,000 bill and they were on their way home and it was a non emergent need. So I always noticed that gap again in the 65 and up population, because that's what I was in and how they didn't drink water and dehydration. But my daughter in that meantime was hospitalized for at the time. It was a confusional migraine episode in a small seizure. Yeah. And one of the triggers was dehydration. So that really took me down the rabbit hole of what happens to the body when electrolytes are not in balance. So sick of the job, right? Grined every day, felt like I was on a hamster wheel, just not evolving, right? My just internally, I knew I was meant for something different. The thing happened with the, it's it happened with my daughter. And I said, I'm in a nursing school. I want to know what's happening in the body. I've put it off for 10 years. Let's do it. I'm not happy in my career. And I went, I jumped off with both feet, like from a corporate, great corporate job, making great money. And I went to nursing school. I was in this classroom with 20 year olds, right? I'm in my 40s. It was, like, shit, I don't belong. It was humbling, but I wanted to feel it. I wanted to go through it. I wanted to scrub down and go into these accounts that I'd been in, clicking around in high heels and makeup and hair done and then go in and scrubs. And just it was, it was such a great experience. And I talked with attorneys and I developed a business plan and said, I can do this. I took, I didn't take a dime from anyone. There's no investors. So I took my savings from healthcare and I said, I can do this. This is good. This is what I want to do. What was it, scary? So scary. So scary. And my first year out, I had other nurses that contract with me out doing the IVs. Because, you know, I was getting my degrees and getting IV certifications. And my first year out, you know, I would practice on all my friends and anyone who wasn't going to sue me and I could do like six pokes on, right? And I loved it. It was great, but better yet, just being able to be responsible for the outcomes, because it was mine. I loved nutrition. I loved hydration. I had a personal story. I was stuck in my job. This was a way for me to get out of that and build it. And I remember like a year and a half in before we kind of knew patterns and, and, you know, history as far as this, this industry. One of my nurses looked at me in the summer, and which was a slower time for us. And she goes, man, I hope it was all worth it. And I looked at her and there was a fleeting moment, you know, those moments you get. And I looked at her, I go, this is the exact moment where people give up. And I'm not willing to do that. Yeah. So, you know, you mentioned something that I thought was very interesting. When you were sitting there wanting to go back to nursing school, right? And so you can understand all these things and create something. You know, at that point when you were in a room with 20 year olds and you're thinking, well, wow, do I belong here? Here I am, you know, grown as adult, but, you know, I'm committed to this. You know, there's a certain level of becoming a lifelong learner that I think that people really need to embrace a lot more is understanding that we're never done learning. And that's what you did. And you created something pretty special out that. Yes. In fact, I'm going back next year to advance the nursing degrees. So I just feel that I don't want to stop learning. I don't want to stop growing. I don't want to stop evolving. I want to, you know, perfect this business. And if it leads into other things, fantastic, but I feel like I wasted and I know regrets, but I feel like I wasted a lot of time when I was younger that I'm just trying to embrace every moment I can now by doing something positive for me, for my family, for my body, for my mind. I mean, I was a pack of days poker. Were you really? Yes. I shouldn't get. No, it's terrible. So I really try to be really good to my body now because I would did so much damage to it early on. But yeah, I'm going back to the classroom. See, like lifelong learner. You know, it's funny because I hear this a lot, right? I hear I want to do this, but I can't because I'm too old or because I have children, because I have responsibilities. And I want to encourage the audience that if they're feeling a pull in a certain direction, that they want to start something or create something that they always can, they may not be able to go all in right away and leave what they're doing, but do what you don't want to do, you know, so that one day you can do what you want to do. What kind of advice would you give the audience that is sitting there telling themselves a story like, I just can't do this. I'm too old or it's too late. I don't have much time. Being down this path of mental health and physical health has for me, given me the, and just loving myself, right, has given me the confidence that I need to advance. And I feel 50s are young. I feel younger and better right now than I did in my 30s. You know, each decade has such an important message and important time in our life. And the 40s for me was just a great year or decade to grow and self love and find out what I really want. And I think the 50s are just go get it. That's awesome. Don't stop. Why would I? I want to, I want to age appropriately, but I do. I mean, our parents age terribly. You know, they just didn't have the resources and the information and knowledge that we have these days. So as long as my brain is working and I'm clear, I want to continue to work it because I think set in, set in Terry lifestyle is the new cancer. Mentally and physically, we have to move, but we also have to use our brain. So listen, I just dropped my daughter off at college this year where empty nesters have the time to do it. So this is what I want to do. Empty nest or how's that going? It's good. You're going to live with a boy now. Yeah. It took some transitioning time. Her and I are very, very close and it did. It took a lot of transitioning and I found myself coloring and doing puzzles. Like, because I wasn't. That's some grown. That's some old lady shit. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even into it. But it took me a few months and now I'm good. And there's a whole different level of worry that you have when your kids leave the home, right? Like did they listen to, you know, all the safety tips that we gave them? And are they okay and safe? And so, but I have the time and I'm where I'm enjoying the freedom and, and yeah, I just want to keep evolving and moving forward in the dancing. It's really freaking awesome, dude. That's really awesome because I just really believe that what you said about as we age, right? When I look at my 40s, I think they're better than my 30s. And specifically the latter half of my 40s, like when I was 42, I figured out what I wanted to be when I grew up. It's this. Like I had the purpose and I had the passion. Even though I was really bad at it for a very long time, right? I looked back at some of the episodes and I thought, wow, do you hear it, man? I'm like, holy hell, no wonder. Well, no wonder, like you were at where you were at because you just weren't ready. But I just, I stayed delusually optimistic about my abilities to have conversations. And I remember when I first started, I would literally be talking to somebody and they would go off on a, you know, two to five minute monologue and I'm like, oh shit. I gotta reel this in. What, what, what are we talking about? Like how to get so good at it, right? Because in conversations, like there's conversations that flow very nicely like this. But then there's conversations that I have to like reach in and pull and carry the whole time. And it took a lot of work. It took a lot of skill. And my whole point of this is the skill that I had to refine, obviously. I think that I was born, you know, a good conversationalist and then learning how to continue to enhance that and make that better. And turn the dial up is what I really had to get good at. But the reason I'm saying this right now is that if you're in your forties or in your fifties and you're still searching for something, it's not too late. You can still pivot. You can still have the next great big idea. And in worst case, at least you're doing something that you love. Absolutely. And I think when people are, keep, they're pushing too hard or they're pulling too hard in a direction that's not meant for them. They're going to be met with resistance and challenge, you know, not like overcoming obstacles, obviously. And if it's a true passion, there is, they'll continue forward. But I feel like when it, if it's meant to be like in my situation, it just flowed naturally. It didn't mean that it wasn't hard when I started. It was very hard and I blew through, you know, wide a bit of money getting it going. I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing because I, I, I, I get it. Yeah. But it meant something to me. And I had the support of my family. And yeah, it was scary as hell. But I was determined to make it work. And, you know, I'll continue to advance and do what I'm doing. That makes me happy now. And, and I've got a great clientele base. And if in five years, it moves on to something else. And it moves on to something else. But I'll go with the flow and be flexible and pivot when I need to. That's, that's great. What was the hardest thing that you went through when you were building this? Like the, the one thing that you look back and are like, I don't know how I got through that. You know, in the sales world, it was, it was like, go constantly and, and go fast. And go, and, and go hard. And this was the first time in my life that it, I had to slow down. And get outcomes, right? I'm out very outcome driven. But I was responsible for the outcome. So it was great. Right. So the service component of it. So the heart, one of the hardest things for me, aside from the financial component of it, which is is, that's another animal. Oh, yeah. Because it's scary. Shit. Um, the hardest part was to slow that sales cycle down. Mm-hmm. And, you know, slowly is the quickest way to get to where you want to go. And I heard that one time and I'm like, no, that's BS. No, it's fast. But it really isn't. I always, I went fast in my 20s. I went fast in my 30s and look where it got me. So just learning how to slow down, become very mindful of my actions and then get the outcomes and then just go hit the next one and the next one. So we're furls, word of mouth, you know, and I'm still growing. No, absolutely. Right. If we're not growing or dying, right? Yeah. Like you really need to be growing all the time. One of the things that I started focusing on and, you know, my partner in the business, Pat, always, he said this thing one time and it stuck with me. It was focused on making this the best show we can. That's it. Like it's so basic. But really what it means for me and for people listening is focus on the thing that matters the most. All the other things will come. And I did that. And now all the other things are coming. Now again, you know, we still have issues. I mean, this is a company. It's it's always hard. It's never a lot. There's lighter days, right? That usually means I'm just not recording. But there's still things going on in my mind. But thankfully, I have an amazing team now that is insulated around me. Like Dan to go do things that I could only trust somebody like him to do. Like, transparently, like, I have to have him in that position because he knows me like the back of his hand. He helped build me. I think it's so cool. Isn't it cool? It's awesome. Yeah. I tell him that all the time. So blessing you every bastard. I love it. It just it's it's just people are in your life for a reason. Whether to teach you something to learn, to grow, to, you know, overcome hatred or, you know, I remember I had, you know, some difficulties with a couple of adults, you know, in the last couple of decades and I just couldn't shake it. I'm like, I have to get rid of this. And when I was going through all of my, my meditation journey, I was like, I need to start praying for them. And just to even mention their name and a prayer was like, yeah, yeah, I get that. The 19 year old kid that pulled out in front of my dad and ended up in an accident that was fatal. Is that how you as a how you're a motorcycle accident? Oh, Jesus. In two seconds, he was ripped from my life. Had to pray for that 19 year old kid. It took me a lot of energy and effort and, and compassion. Yeah. To know that we all make mistakes, but I had to pray for him because it was healing me. I always knew I had to heal myself from it. Forgiveness is always for you. Always. Right. It's never for somebody else. And I think that's something that people really need to dive into. Because we don't forgive for them. We forgive so we can release that. Yes. Right. And it was super important for me to have a team that I could trust. That I could bring along to keep me in check. And again, going back to that statement, focus on making the show the best it possibly can be. In every single time we record, every episode, give a Kyle, give a production, give a damn it. How was it? What do I need to do better? You know, and there's times where like, hey, there's nothing I could have done. But I think there's a healthy aspect of always searching for ways to get better. And I think that's being a true professional. Mm-hmm. Well, I'm just taking accountability for your actions and intentions throughout the day. Yeah. We're not perfect. We, but we have to give ourselves grace too. We're not very good at that at times. We're very hard on ourselves. What do you think that is? Yeah. I think it's from just, you know, for me, I made a lot of bad decisions. And so I feel like I have to make up for that. Or I feel like I have to do it perfectly because I didn't do it perfectly for so long. And so we're harder on ourselves because I think we know our capability and we know our potential. Yeah. And we don't live it out. Actions of foundational key to all success. Potentials of any word. Right. It's like either myself or you have all this potential or whomever, right? But if we don't take the action and we don't tap into that potential, then it's wasted. And I truly feel like the potential that we were giving, the gifts that we were given from God, we have to use them. Because if you don't, it's the ultimate act of disrespect. Absolutely. Like for me, it's like, I can just imagine like, when I give my kids a gift, and they don't use it, or they break it, or they don't value it, it really upsets me. Think about what the big guy feels if he gave you a gift. Like if I wasn't using my gift of conversation, like I'm wasting what I'm put here for. Yeah. There is a bigger purpose to everything and everyone. And when you find that, you just, you'll do it. You know, people are like, would you do this if you won the lottery? And I say, yes, because I know this is what I meant to do. This is my passion and purpose. Yeah. And I meant to make people feel better than when I found them. And to have some of those hard conversations along the way about nutrition and lifestyle. And you know, people are eating so much negative food and wondering why they feel like shit. And most people don't want to do the work though. That's what I'm finding. Yeah, they're eating the food that was made and allowed by men's, man made food. And going to actual whole foods and eating real food is simple. It's not easy, right? And people go, well, I don't have time for that. Yeah, you really do. Like if you have to go to Chick-fil-A, then you can get the salad with the grilled chicken. You know, you can get the grilled chicken sandwich. You can get the grilled, the grilled chicken nuggets. But people, they say they go to their default, right? If I go here, I'm going to get this. And it's always like the fried chicken or whatever. My buddy, Matthew, had told me this one time. You need to have contingency plans. If you're out and about and you go to, if this, then that. If I'm at Chick-fil-A, then I'm going to have this. So I created systems in my life, right? Whether it's nutrition or within the frameworks of my show, I'm sure you have it with your business that. If this happens, this is my default. If my kids say, I want Chick-fil-A, then I know, okay, great. I don't have stress now. Because I go, okay, I know what they're going to get. I'm going to get this grilled chicken sandwich, grilled chicken salad. I'm going to ask them to add extra chicken on it. So now I'm hitting my protein. And now I'm getting my leafy, my vegetables, and some tomatoes, and some fruits in there. But I set those, I set those guardrails for myself. And I think that ultimately helps me. It helps me in my business. It helps me in everything. Sure. Yeah. I don't know. It's our rocket science, right? It's so basic. And we have to just check in with ourselves every once in a while. Like, how are you feeling? Well, if something's off, then let's take a deeper dive. Yeah. Maybe, if we did a drip on someone and it made them too anxious, then let's rework the, we always lab work as really what we go to, to see where people are, you know, deficient or not. So it's customized, not always. But a lot of times if we want to take deep dives, or, you know, maybe we did it too late and it kept them up and disturbed their sleep, you know? So check in with your body. Check in with your mind. What are you thinking? How are you feeling? Let's switch it up. I'm a big fan of that. It struck a thought. And I know we're coming down to the end here. But, you know, I, there's times, right? Where before. The last year, if I was feeling tired, I was feeling a certain way, I was ingrained in this hustle culture where no matter what, just keep going, right? Burn yourself out. There was a couple of weeks ago where I had five episodes scheduled in a week. It's a lot. And it's only five hours of work. But the lift is so heavy, because you're different guests, different energies, different conversation, you know, it's, it's, it's a big lift. And I didn't feel good on that Friday. And so I rescheduled that show, because I know now, like, you're about to hit a tipping point, Sean, if you do this episode, like, you were going to take so much from yourself, because it was something that, I started thinking, I'm like, I don't even know where to go with this right now. Like, I don't even know, like, I know what I'm supposed to be talking about. But I can't set the framework in my mind, because I'm so overwhelmed. I'm like, okay, well, let's move this. And I think understanding yourself, and that's also part of determination. So determination isn't this sexy thing, where you're constantly grinding. It's gritty. It's a thousand miles an hour, you know, 24, 7, 365. It's also knowing when to lay off. It's also when to know, like you said earlier, one foot in front of the other. And to continue to do the things, when you don't want to do them emotionally at that time, that's why I started this platform, because I wanted to bring those stories to people. What is your definition of determination? Determination for me is never giving up on something that's so important, and so passionate, and it's looking at or feeling the obstacles and challenges ahead of you, and going and moving forward anyway to get past it and through it. Just to never give up and to continue doing things that make you happy and that you're on purpose with. And like that moment with that nurse that I have at a year and a half, and you know, her saying that it's, I hope it's worth it. Nobody's going to take your business as serious as you. No. And so that determination and drive is in you, and only you know what that is, and you know how to feed that, and you know whether you're skimming or not. Yeah. So I think I have to check in with myself every once in a while, and just make sure that I'm in check. I think it's smart. There's times I'll sit there and I'll go, all right, dude, what are you actually doing? If I'm not recording that day, I say to myself, like, what are you actually doing today? And sometimes it'd be like, nah, I'm just going to be. I think those are important days too. Balance. Yeah. Balance is key mentally, physically. Give yourself some grace. Just checking in with your body, checking in with your mind, and just doing the best job that you can. I love it. This has been amazing. Awesome. Where can the audience find you? So I am on Instagram at hydrate girl with a period after they are. And website ivhydratelc.com for all the drip information. I love it. So audience, and we're going to put that website in the show notes. So you people here locally, go ahead and click on that, get some treatment from Stacey, and really skim her website. There's so many different modalities that you have from, you know, glue to thigh-owned drips, you know, to detox the liver, to the Myers cocktail for, you know, immunity support. But you also do a lot of different things that I think not a lot of these concierge services actually do. Right. You know, so, you know, when you go check her out, guys, look at everything that they do, and give her a chance here if you're local, because I tell you what, that was a good one. Nice little coolness, the whole time through, and I feel great. And I appreciate you. I appreciate you. It was so good to see you. You too. This has been an amazing and impactful conversation. And the thing that I love most about it, we went deep. We went really deep, thought he and Scott to learn a little bit about you, of what you went through. And you were very successful in sales, but money isn't everything. Now, you know, that's a very stressful business. And a lot of times you have to pivot and work for ourselves, because I tell everybody, I just became unemployable. I was just like, I just didn't give a fuck anymore. Like, I'm not, you're not going to call me and ask me where I'm at. And that was more of my medical days. It's like I'm performing. I just like, I, no, you're not going to call me and ask me where I'm at. That's when I noticed, like, there needs to be a pivot in my life. So I think you gave a peak behind the curtain in your, in your own journey for the audience to kind of decode and, and marinate on what they're dealing with right now. And be able to move forward in their passions and their dreams. So thank you for that. Thank you. Absolutely. Now for you guys, for the audience, just like every single time, I need you to share this episode with somebody you know, love and trust. Let me know what you loved about it. And if you're in the area, go check her out, click the link in the show notes and schedule your concierge service at your home, at your office, wherever the hell you're at. In your podcast studio. And until next time, guys, stay determined.