Pardon My Take

John Fanta, MSU Coach Tom Izzo, PMT Spring Break, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Listener Submitted Mad Online

154 min
Mar 25, 20262 months ago
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Summary

Pardon My Take covers March Madness Sweet 16 matchups with guest analysts John Fanta and Coach Tom Izzo, discussing tournament favorites, coaching philosophies, and the state of college basketball amid transfer portal changes. The hosts debate time zones in Arizona, preview MLB season openers, and discuss coaching vacancies at major programs like UNC.

Insights
  • Big Ten dominance in Sweet 16 (6 teams) despite no conference championship since 2000 signals strong regular season performance but tournament unpredictability
  • Ben McCollum's Iowa success story demonstrates that roster construction through the portal and proven coaching can compete with high-spending programs
  • Tom Izzo's emphasis on accountability and 'right school' coaching (not 'old school') remains effective despite transfer portal era, suggesting player retention depends on coaching philosophy alignment
  • Coaching vacancies at UNC and Kansas will attract top talent, but coaches like Brad Stevens and Dan Hurley require direct recruitment to even consider leaving current positions
  • College basketball's inbound play execution has deteriorated significantly, even among Hall of Fame coaches, suggesting a coaching gap in fundamental skill development
Trends
Transfer portal forcing coaches to choose between traditional accountability-based coaching and player retentionMid-major coaches (Ben McCollum, Todd Golden) emerging as viable candidates for blue-blood programsIncreased corporate integration in March Madness (Netflix games, mystery rewards, cross-promotion with streaming content)Coaching succession planning becoming critical legacy metric (Coach K vs. Jim Boeheim comparison)Point guard play and depth becoming more valuable than star power in tournament successDefensive pressure (full-court press) exposing fundamental inbound passing weaknesses across all coaching levelsNIL and transfer portal creating bifurcated coaching market: high-spend programs vs. development-focused programsBaseball season starting earlier (games in March) creating scheduling conflicts with March Madness momentumTime zone complexity in tournament scheduling affecting team preparation and broadcast logistics
Topics
March Madness Sweet 16 bracket analysis and predictionsCollege basketball coaching vacancies (UNC, Kansas, Providence)Transfer portal impact on team building and player retentionTom Izzo's coaching philosophy and accountability cultureBen McCollum's Iowa success and coaching trajectoryBig Ten tournament performance vs. regular season strengthInbound play execution and defensive pressure tacticsNCAA tournament officiating and game managementNIL (Name, Image, Likeness) effects on college sportsMLB season preview and team expectationsBaseball salary arbitration and player contractsCoaching succession planning and legacy buildingTournament scheduling and time zone logisticsPoint guard play in tournament successDefensive strategies in tournament games
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People
John Fanta
Guest discussing March Madness Sweet 16 matchups, coaching candidates, and tournament storylines
Tom Izzo
Guest discussing 17th Sweet 16 appearance, coaching philosophy, accountability culture, and tournament preparation
Dan Hurley
Discussed as potential UNC/Kansas candidate and current UConn coach facing Michigan State in Sweet 16
Rick Patino
Discussed for St. John's Sweet 16 success and potential matchup against Duke
Ben McCollum
Discussed as Cinderella story coach with Iowa's Sweet 16 run and potential coaching candidate for major programs
John Calipari
Discussed for Arkansas Sweet 16 appearance and potential UNC/Kansas coaching candidate
Brad Stevens
Discussed as must-call candidate for UNC and Kansas coaching vacancies
Sean Miller
Discussed for Arizona's Sweet 16 tournament performance and coaching track record
Kelvin Sampson
Discussed for Houston's tournament success and potential Final Four run
Darius Akins
Identified as best player remaining in tournament with special ability to change games
Cohen Car
Discussed as powerful dunker and improving player for Michigan State's Sweet 16 run
Jeremy Fears
Discussed as point guard and quarterback of Michigan State's tournament team
Braden Smith
Identified as NCAA assist leader and key player for Purdue's tournament success
Bill Self
Discussed regarding Kansas coaching vacancy and potential successor search
Jim Boeheim
Discussed as cautionary tale for poor coaching succession planning and program decline
Draymond Green
Referenced as Tom Izzo player who defends his coaching style and accountability approach
Magic Johnson
Referenced by Izzo regarding coaching philosophy and player development
Bill Belichick
Referenced as visiting Izzo's camps to discuss coaching and accountability principles
Quotes
"The game really doesn't change and that we have a responsibility to the game more than we do to ourselves or schools or even our players"
Tom IzzoCoach Izzo interview segment
"You hold people accountable to accomplish the goals and dreams that they have not what I just have what they have"
Tom IzzoCoach Izzo interview segment
"Ben McCollum has won everywhere he's gone if you can't get behind this story this is a guy he wasn't handed everything in his life"
John FantaJohn Fanta interview segment
"If you're a squad walking into a building this week two wins to get to Indianapolis where a champion will be crowned"
John FantaJohn Fanta closing remarks
"Great players want to be coached and pushed because great players want to be the best players"
Tom IzzoCoach Izzo interview segment
Full Transcript
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It feels like every single year we have him on right around now because he's every single year. He's in the sweet 16. We're going to do hot seat, cool throne. We're going to do a little mini baseball preview. Just talk about our teams real quick. We have, what are we finishing the show with? Mad Online. Mad Online. We got a great show for everyone. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. It can be challenging to make time for therapy, BetterHelp makes scheduling and attending your weekly sessions easy because it's all online. You can do phone, video or message chat according to your schedule with over 30,000 therapists. BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform having served over 6 million people globally and it works with an average rating of 4.9 out of 5 for a live session based on over 1.7 million client reviews. If your therapist is in the right fit, you can switch anytime easily and no extra cost. Prioritize your wellbeing with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com slash PMT. To get 10% off your first month, that's BetterHelp.com slash PMT. Okay, let's go. Yeah. Welcome to Part of My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours today is Wednesday, March 25th and it's PMT spring break. Whoo. Let's go. Someone take your top off. Oh yeah. Show your titties. It's Tit Week. It's Tit Week. That should be actually like that's a nice addition. We should do to the annual calendar. Tit Week. Yeah. First boob. Go, Zach. First boob. First boob. It was definitely movie centric or do you mean IRA? Yep. Your mom. Yeah. Thank you. I mean, yeah. Get the life. Yeah. Yeah. Shout to mothers. The original families. The original cream team. Oh, no. PFT. It is. You don't say that about his mom. Heavies. She is. She's. Oh, Jesus Christ, dude. Zach's mom. She listens to every show. Okay. Hey, Mrs. Zach, I respect you. Never met you. I'm sure you're a very lovely lady. We're just busting ball. That's just the horniness that happens on spring break. I disavow that mom. Yeah. I disavow myself. Thank you. Zach's mom. But yeah, we're in Arizona spring break. How's everyone feeling? I feel like we had a nice day and a half of getting in the sun after March Madness. Yeah. I did a 16 hour fast where all I had was a bowl of cereal and a half of turkey sandwich. That's pretty good. I did a 16 hour slow. I went out for wings last night. Nice. Just to kind of like ease my way out. It's my way of easing my way out of the stuff that we've been eating for the past like six days. Yeah. It's just to like, I didn't do a full order of wings. I had like eight to 10 wings. Yeah. Just to kind of like let me down gently. How's everyone else feeling? I'm great. I know it's spring break and we want to like take it easy, take some time off, but I still want to stay focused. So last night I went to a very militaristic restaurant, had some good food at Houston's. A good establishment. Great establishment. Family establishment. Super, super nice. But I rewatched the biz video and he's just like great establishment, very militaristic operation over there. I think when he said that, he just didn't know what a chain was. And I think he just meant it's like run well. It's a chain restaurant. It's a good chain. It's so good. They have standards and everybody there has like good haircuts. Yeah. And everyone follows their assignments and does their job. They all appear to be under the age of 42 now. Yeah. Yeah. They run a nice tight ship. Great restaurant though. Yeah. Are we going to, are we going to have to, because that was, so the age for service now 30 has been extended 33 to 42. It's up to 42 now. We're 41. That felt personal. It felt very personal. They, Uncle Sam saw me in Big Cat's bodies and they were like, these guys, we got to use these guys. These guys are meant to wear some artillery. These guys are perfect for the front line to just get mowed down. Yeah. Listen, I will listen. It's well documented. If you put me behind the seat of an F 35, that's the, I'm not getting shot down. You'd puke because you're scared of heights. I'm terrified of heights. Yeah. That part would be a problem. Is a problem. Yeah. All right. So sports news, what we got going on the world. Hubert Davis officially fired. RIP. You got to make Brad Steven say no. You got to call. He is going to say no. Yeah. But you have to make him say no. I did see there was a message board I wanted to share with you guys from a Carolina fan. What do you think their fantasy hire is? They're fantasy. Fantasy. I have right here fantasy and reality. Okay. They're fantasy hire. I don't know that there's that much of a fantasy hire besides like the, the Billy Donovan's or the, or the Brad Stevens of the world. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you would think that no. Um, fantasies Kelvin Samson reality is Brad Stevens. That's his person. They said fantasy Kelvin Samson reality Brad Stevens Luke Murray. Murray. My husband wants Tony Bennett, but his style of ball makes me want to claw my eyes out. Yeah. I don't know that they want Tony Bennett just because he coached up the road in Charlottesville. I don't, I don't think they want him. I, I could see them going after a couple NBA guys. I could see, you know, the, the funniest he'll turn possible would be if JJ Reddick took that job. That would be great. That would be so funny. Not going to happen obviously, but, but it's just very funny that this, the reality is Brad Stevens for Carolina fans because this is a job, you know, Hubert Davis was kind of handpicked succession, all that stuff. This is a job that doesn't come open very often and it is a true blue blood job. Uh, even, even if you, uh, listen to everything Jay Williams says, uh, which he, did you see that take he had? He's like, if it wasn't for the logo, no one would, uh, be talking about UNC cause it's not really a blue blood. Well, yeah, the logo is pretty important dude. It's the, it's the logo of a team that's won a ton of national titles and a ton of final fours. Yeah. It's, it's blue blood. It's, it's, it's literally one of the blue blood. Pretty important. Yeah. Like Duke would not be nearly the brand that it was if it wasn't for UNC and that rivalry. It's like they both feed off. If you take away, if you take away the name Duke and the logo, it wouldn't be Duke. Not at all. Yeah. So it's good point. But, uh, yeah. So it's interesting because I do think they could get pretty much anyone they want. They should be able to. I mean, it should be one of the best jobs in the country. I, everyone keeps saying NATOs. I think that we should keep that rumor going. I think they're very heavily and there's, there's mutual interest. I think NATO is a cultural fit there. NATOs is extremely interested in the job. It'll be interesting to see if he's able to focus on his team this week, maybe the most important week that they have. But would people be talking about NATOs as much for this job if he didn't wear those jackets? They feel like, they feel like Carolina jackets. Carolina blue jackets. Yeah. And like just the plaids, it feels like he's been incepting people into anticipating him being the next UNC coach for a while. I don't think he'd be a great fit there. Um, yeah, I don't know. I feel like Otzelberger is going to be named that they talk about. I got a name. I don't know if he wants to go. I've, uh, I'm ashamed to admit that I've fallen in love with this person because they are technically a rival, but I have fallen hard for Ben McCollum. Yeah. I've fallen hard. I've read a lot of Ben McCollum this last week, last few days after beating Florida. This guy fucking rocks. He just wins everywhere. He also, Iowa is the Cinderella that everyone's been pining for. If you look at Iowa and like their roster and where these guys started playing college basketball, Bennett's search was Northwest Missouri state. They had a Robert Morris, two Wyoming, two Drake, one Northwest Florida state. Like this is your Cinderella. This is not a roster of five star recruits of guys who are making $7 million. This is your Cinderella and Ben McCollum always talking about like toughness. And I saw this other thread where it was a coach that basically coach division two and essentially said, we spent our entire time trying to beat their team and no one else. And he's like, that's all, it's the hardest nut to crack the way he's able to manipulate games with pace and the point guard position. And I've fallen hard and fast for Ben McCollum. I mean, it's a great story. Yeah, I was storage great. I think in the big 10, if you're looking at coaches that you have to, you have to call it. You got to talk to Dusty. You got to make him say no. Got to make Dusty may say no. Lot of no's you got to get. And there's a lot of people that you want to keep in the building too. Like you can't let them leave if they get there. Right. So if they say yes to visit, then you got to keep them there. Dusty I think would be a guy that you can't let them leave. You can't let them leave without a contract. I think people are talking about Danny Hurley. I think you do have to make Danny Hurley say no. Have to make him say no. Yeah. J Wright has to be, has to say no. Bobby Hurley is probably already, you know. You don't want Kevin Willard to say yes. No. Right. But you also don't want Kevin Willard to stand up if you say, does anybody object? That's true. That's true. So yeah, it will be interesting to see what happens. I what are you guys early takes on these games because we're gonna we're here till Saturday. So we'll be recording after the games on Thursday. I'm just juiced up for the for the sweet 16. I'm juice. I'm ready to go. I like Purdue. I like Purdue a lot. I like Arkansas. A cuff versus Arizona. Yeah, it's gonna be incredible. It's gonna be excellent. And then I like Houston, but big shocker there. I always like Houston. Yeah. Yeah. I actually think Illinois can win that game. Shadow Tom Fornelli. He's gonna like that. I said this. What else is what else is going on in the sports world? I got my most kick ass guys in the tournament. Okay, go ahead. Do you want to make our five? Yeah, I mean, Cohen cars my one. Okay, Cohen cars on the list. It's got to be still in the tournament. Still in the tournament. Yeah, a cuff and Cohen car have to be one one two easy. Okay, I nominate Jojo Tuggler. Okay, not the best player on the team, but probably the most kick ass player. Yep. What about LeBaron? Yeah, LeBaron filing. Yeah. Yeah, he's kick ass. He's got to be on there. And then what's his name? Gatoroid, the steroid the jacked up Florida fan. He's not in the turn. I know he got bounced, but I feel like he should be in the tournament, but he'll kick or he'll kick her ass. I think we got a kick ass. What? Zuby kicks ass. So was that four or five? Do we just get five? I think no. No, no, I think we got to get Sam Hoyberg on there. You got to have a coach. Yes, yes, Sam. Okay, that's a great starting. So I think that might be six, but that doesn't find that's fine. Just make the graphic. I think we got three point cards. Wait, what was it was? We've Cohen car a cuff, Sam Hoyberg, Zuby, Jojo Tuggler, Jojo Tuggler, and then there was one other, right? LaBear. LaBear. Yeah, yeah. All right. That's our starting five and have it be six days. Yeah, those are the most kick ass. I actually think that's a great list. And then maybe underneath say did not make the roster, boozer. Would you like to make the case for boozer? And the Florida guy. Yeah, and the Florida guy. Would you like to make the case for boozer? I mean, he's the highest draft pick left in the tournament. Oh, they've already done the draft. He's going to be the highest draft pick left in the tournament. You don't know that. What about his medicals? What if his medicals aren't great? I think he's the most exciting player. I think we don't know that. You said most exciting. You think he's more exciting than a cuff? He's that's what I'm saying about it. I didn't mean as a slight against the guy. I don't think he's like a big man. It's a different art. It's a different art down. He's an unbelievable player, but he's not more. He's not more excited than Darryl. This is everyone talks about, you know, in fact, I would say he's not exciting at all. No, you just don't respect the post game. He's a flash guy. I'm not a flash guy. No, that's not true. We have, I mean, Zuby and Hoyberg. Yeah. Hoyberg is fucking gritty as fuck. Great. Is he big? No, no. Jojo big heart. I respect the post. I was shocked when I looked it up about about Tuggler because he does play like he's seven feet tall. I think he's like six seven or six eight. It's like, you know, Dwight Howard. Yeah, very relatable. Dwight Howard. It is. It's probably the most six seven is probably the most relatable thing across all ages. Yeah. Yeah, it does. It's more famous than I show speed, but he's one of those guys like Dwight Howard that I think he he just appears to be way taller because he's got the big wingspan. But yeah, that actually shot him up my most badass guy because he's a sinner who's like six eight. Are you nervous about Duke, Hank? Not saying, John's. No, no, they're gonna grind you. More worried about Yukon or Michigan State. Hmm. Say, John's though, they just they play Petino so fucking good, man. Do you trust Shire? He might be the best coach ever, just in terms of having to go as many stops as he got. It is the coaching obviously, it's just experience like that. There's that's the biggest experience disparity. But I think it's gonna be a good test for Shire. If there's 13 seconds, who do you trust to get a shot off? Rick Petino? Yeah, yeah. Obviously. And with two seconds to spare. Yeah. John Shire, great coach. Good coach. Good coach. Good coach. Not great yet. He's young. He's green. He's green. This is how you go. Go from green to You gotta go against the big dogs. Yeah. Big time. Okay. Let's do we want to do a parlay for Thursday night? Draft Kings, Draft Kings sportsbook, our wonderful sponsor, Draft Kings. Every March, the tournament delivers the unexpected bracket break, brackets break, upsets happen. Nothing goes exactly as planned this year. Draft Kings sportsbook is leaning into the chaos with a mystery reward. You'll never see coming. All customers guaranteed rewards every single round opt in and boom, a single use mystery promotion drop straight into your account. What is it? That's the fun part. 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So Nebraska, Texas, Arkansas. Okay. All right. Yes. This will be interesting to see how this works out. Yeah. I'm excited for Jack to read this text because I have to send it to him every time we do it. So I just said, Iowa Purdue, Arizona spreads for the parlay. Just kidding. Flip all of them. Yeah. I just felt terrible about it. Flip it in reverse it. About all of them. Yeah. Because I was like, I do think Arizona is significantly better than Arkansas. But then thinking about betting against A-Cuff, seven and a half points just makes me want to puke. Right. And I think that Purdue is a lot better. Obviously a lot more experienced than Texas. But then. But Sean Miller's awesome tournament code. Purdue. Yeah. And Sean Miller. But then Purdue. You might have to make Sean Miller say no. Sean Miller in round of 16, you want him to say no. Round of eight. Yeah. You want him to say, I don't know who this is. I'm not taking this job. Oh, I did think of one other huge, huge name that they're probably thinking about in Chapel Hill right now. Tom Kreen. Yeah. Tom Kreen. You have to, for my sources, I'm hearing that Tom Kreen is a finalist for the job. Make him say no. And when they fired Huber Davis, they did so with the understanding that they had Tom Kreen as an option. Yeah, I like that a lot. By the way, this weekend, so we have 47 MLB games, 12 NCAA men's games, 20 NCAA women's games, NBA, NHL, Playoff push, World Cup. I guess there's qualifiers. So yeah, Italy plays against Northern Ireland on Thursday. And if they lose, then Italy's out of the World Cup. Okay. Let's go. UCF. You're rooting for Northern Ireland all day. NASCAR, F1 in action, college baseball and softball conference play. We have a lot of sports coming up this weekend. A lot of meaningful sports. Yeah. Very excited for that. Okay. Should we talk baseball, which is starting on, technically Wednesday night. Yeah. So who's playing? Yankees? Giants. Did I get that right? On Netflix. I knew that. I nailed that. I knew all that. The hand is throwing out the first pitch. What? You heard me. Like from Super Smash Bros? Close. What is the hand? What? What did you say? The hand is throwing out the first pitch. What is the hand? The hand from the show Wednesday from Netflix is throwing out the first pitch. Got it. God. It'll be great. Okay. The hand. That's awesome. I love Cross, I love integrated cross promotion. Yeah. Hell yeah. It's the best. Hell yes. Okay. So what do we think about baseball? It's back. It's pretty cool. It's back. It's hot. It's could be a week and a half early. Yes. I've been saying this like, I can't remember how many, I can't believe how many times I've said this to different people. Like the fact that the Cubs have five games in March at Wrigley is bullshit. It just, it feels like it should be next Thursday, not this Thursday. No, I'm excited for baseball because it does feel like baseball momentum is at an all time high right now. Yeah. It was a great offseason for baseball. In fact, a great postseason into a great offseason. Yep. Kind of somewhat dampered by the fact that it seems like the Dodgers are just going to win it all again. And there's going to be a lockout. And there's going to be a lockout afterwards. Let's not talk about the L. But we can just kind of like forget about all that for a second. I'll let you guys do your positive spins and what you're thinking for this year. I'm going into the season. This is going to be a very tough year for me because we're in year seven of rebuild in DC with the expectation again, being another 90 loss season. Year seven of that. Now we did overhaul the front office and I think we've got a direction. We traded away all of our good players. CJA Abrams is probably going to be traded away this year. The only thing I have to look forward to this season is James Woods just being a fucking monster and getting 35 plus home runs. Yeah. That's the only thing that I'm going to the season looking forward to as a Nats fan. It's a sad state of affairs when you you're getting ready to start a long ass summer. And those are your expectations. I'm bummed out about that. I want to care about baseball again. I want to be excited about my team and baseball again. It makes the summer so much better. But for seven years, it's been this dog shit. And yeah, just kind of a bummer going into it. You're kind of the tank master between this and the Wizards. Seven years. Yeah. Well, the difference is I have expectations and I like the national side. Right. Right. But like even still, it does suck going into a season and be like, they're going to be dog shit. And you know, right away, there's really nothing to I mean, best case scenario we overachieve and our new manager, we get a Blake managing the team, he's like 32 years old. That's cool. Maybe we overachieve and get 70 wins, maybe 75. That's really the ceiling that I'm looking at this year is 75 wins. And we will do a full baseball preview during our dingers only in July 4th week. But this is just our personal team. Zach, what team do you root for? If I was going to refer in the baseball team, I probably had to be the race. Okay. Do you follow baseball? I don't follow them enough to have a baseball preview right to second. Give us transparency. You know, ever since the roof came off after the storm, tough look. Like that's bad energy for the team. But they can persevere, they can push through. Feel good about it. Tap is strong. Hopefully strong enough. Yeah. They were actually frisky down the stretch last year. They were flirting with the playoff spot. We got to get past frontation and like we got to we got around third. We got to get there. Yeah. You ever you ever call them the devil raised by mistake? I will say I did I love the old devil raised logo. Yeah, it's so good. The old throwbacks is so awesome. They start getting into the purples and the teals. Oh man. But I probably still don't say that before. Yeah. Post name change. Yeah. By the way, I got I got some push because we're talking about old stuff. Some pushback about the nostalgia take I had on Monday because people were like, you guys wanted the Larry O'Brien trophy on the court. Yes, we did. But that was also less nostalgic and more like, why would they not make the NBA finals feel special? I did get kind of owned today because someone had a similar nostalgia take and it was just that they missed the like bubble dome domes that used to exist like the Indianapolis Colts one, the one in Minneapolis and Houston. No, that wasn't bubble. Like, you know, the actual like big what like looked like marshmallows. And I saw it. I was like, I kind of fucking agree with that. You just like I think it's like because it looked like marshmallow. Like God damn it. I just got nostalgic. It was the tastiest looking roof. I'll give you that. But it was so funny because it's like someone's like make the final four look like this again. And the only difference was it was just the old Colts Stadium, not Lucas Oil. Yeah, it was just the only difference was a bubble dome. The nostalgia. The old courts, I don't give a shit about the old. I don't. I really don't. I know I don't love the new bracket center court thing. Yeah, I think that you could do that a little bit better. But yeah, I don't give a shit about seeing if this game is being also you could tell where is no California where it's being played because they have the where it's being played on the baseline and at the center court. Yeah, either way, memes, Mets. Think they're gonna be better than expected. They'll probably start off slow because they have a ton of new guys. But I think they're really good. What's really good? All the new additions. Like what's what's a successful season over 91s and playoffs. Yeah, have to have to make the playoffs. NLCS. NLCS. OK, LCS. OK, but fired up ton of new pieces. Love that. Yeah, Max. I think Phillies are a regression goal. Still make the playoffs as a wildcard team. They'll sneak in and then lose the first round. Yeah. That's awesome. You know what? If we're doing like what the expectation is the ceiling for your team, the ceiling for the Washington Nationals is the Phillies losing the first round of the playoffs. And Bryce Harper goes home sad. Yeah. You probably pissed off when Harper at that home run. Honestly, a little bit. Yeah. I fell into my Hank feelings a little bit because if we're going to lose the World Baseball Classic, I was really hoping that it was going to be a Bryce Harper strikeout. It was great. All there was all the Harper haters were out in full for whatever. We're not talking about World Baseball Classic. I'm actually the biggest Bryce Harper fan in the world. No, you're not. I am. I love Bryce Harper when he when he left DC and he said I can't wait to bring a World Championship to Washington. I thought that was the coolest thing that he said. And I was like, Oh, no, I'm a Philly. I misspoke. I meant to say Phillies. And then we won a championship and he didn't. That was awesome. I love him. Next is giving the thumbs up. He's giving thumbs up. He's he's he's not speaking. Hank, I'm just really excited to watch my favorite player, Gary Whitlock revenge tour gave up the game winning RBI in the World Baseball Classic. I mean, he's been on the team forever. He's going to really prove himself this year and show the haters that he's one of the best relievers in baseball. I don't have expectations, high expectations. Like I wish we kept Bregman. I like Bregman a lot. Bregman's been at song today. Yeah, he's he's the man. I'm happy he's in Chicago at least. But I just feel like the Red Stocks ownership does not care about winning as much as just like being under the whatever luxury tax and saving money. Yeah. And probably will make the playoffs. Damn, this was a depressing preview for everyone's teams. I I think the Cubs are going to be really fucking good. I think they might I think they're the second best team in the NL. So I guess my expectations might be a little too high. But I think they're going to be really, really good. I think they should they should definitely win the NL central and be in the NLCS. That would be that would be my ceiling. I don't know. The Dodgers are just still a monster. I think the Cubs are going to be really fucking good. I was there. I went to the game today, got my first 50 50 loss out of the way, was able to see some of the players. My kids got to my kids got to take a picture of PCA. It was pretty awesome. Tons of Cubs are AWL. So he just resigned today, right? He last night. Yeah. So it's an interesting deal because he had four years left of control. We're arbitration years. The Cubs are it's a I think it's a five year deal starting next year. I love it because he's a he's the type of guy you should bet on and like he's a centerpiece type of player. He obviously still has has like room to grow. He'd be the first person to say that. But I think he's an awesome player and like superstar potential. Phillies is a similar thing. Yeah, yesterday too. They had Christopher Sanchez under like a very team friendly deal because they extended him before he became like Christopher Sanchez now. Yeah. And they just like basically were like you're getting paid. You should be getting paid way more than you are. We're going to extend you a couple more years and like really bump up your average self. Right. I mean, PCA doesn't have to go to arbitration. He gets this guaranteed money and the Cubs on the other side, if PCA continues to get better and becomes like an MVP caliber, which he was for 70% of the year last year. But it's let's say he's an MVP, like one or two MVP voter type of guy. He's on a like great deal for the Cubs. So I think it was like 115 million over five years. So I'm pumped. I'm excited for the cut and Justin Steele coming back in May is going to be huge. I think that memes should be more excited about the Mets. Yeah, I also have PFT on my side. I got a DM two years ago, PFT had to put on future for the 2026 Mets. During our whole episode that we dug, PFT said, we won't get to 2026. So I'll just place a future on the Mets when we get to 2026. Oh, I got a bet on the Mets. Yeah, I'll do it right now. You're supposed to bet it back in February. I forgot to bet in February. Is it okay if I bet it now? Yeah, no, it's illegal. Now. I'm going to put a massive one right now, memes. Shane, you follow a lot of baseball. Were any of these takes, do you agree with these takes? For the most part, yeah, I think the Mets are super exciting. I disagree with Hank, though. As a Red Sox fan, I'm pretty, I'm pretty pumped. They got Rangers Suarez, they got Sonny Gray, that rotation is going to be one of the best in baseball. Sonny Gray has played baseball for 1000. But he's still elite. I know, I know. I think it was just over like a three RA last year. Like that rotation is going to be so good. It's just funny because I think I remember Sonny Gray when he was an electric rookie and it was athletics 17 years ago. Yeah, it was like 2012 or something like that. Yeah, I know it wasn't actually 17 years ago, but it feels like that. And we get a whole season with Roman Anthony now. Pretty pumped for that. And got Wilson Contreras, Caleb Durbin. The future's bright, hopefully. Okay. It's good preview. What? What are you? It's great preview. It's great preview. Great preview. Memes, you should be more optimistic, though. No, I fired up. We just got to see how the team looks with all the new guys. But the Mets also did lose a lot of guys. They did. They did. And Alonzo on the Orioles. Orioles might be good this year. Orioles should be good. Also, I forgot to. Let's not dip too far into an MLB preview. No, you're saying that Orioles comment was dangerous. Yeah. Okay. But I've got, I've got one more thing. This is, this is actually really in depth. Could change everything I just said about the Nats. Okay. We finally got an expensive pitching machine. Oh, that's the big, that's the big off season news. Like, yeah, hey, congrats on getting boba shit memes. We got a new pitching machine. That reminds me bad news for the pitching machine we want to buy in the office. Because I found out today, because I think what you're talking about, the Cubs have multiple of these. Most teams do. Yeah. And I asked about it. It's, you have to pay a yearly, yearly fee, like for the technology. Yeah. That's, we do that in ice cream money. $75,000 a year. That is, I mean, we're, we're spending a lot of money on the ice cream budget. Well, it sounds like that is talking us out of the ice cream machine now. No, I'm just saying, Max gets on the needle and all of a sudden he's taking away the entire office. It's ice cream. We don't spend 75k in ice cream a year though. You're in. We usually do two cases a week of each flavor. And what is the price? That's probably about $150. Toppings? Topping selection. That's coming out at Minci pays for that. Minci's a topping specialist. And quite a few top companies out there are gracious enough to be like, Hey, try these toppings out. So we've got some donate toppings as well. All right. Good plug. And if you're a toppings company and you want to top us off, hit us up. Give me some top. Zach, this would be a good time to talk to you about your tweet from last night. Did this happen to you guys too? No, because we can track how long a flight is. Big head go. I, we may have been dancing between a couple of lines though. I, I who read the tweet, Zach, your tweet was I thought we were 10 minutes from landing three different times on this flight. We got to do something about time zones. Big head. It was, it was so confusing. Like the way I don't know if he was dipping in and out of different zones, but it just felt like it kept saying seven, 10 arrival. And for like two and a half hours of the flight, I looked down on my phone and I was like, it's almost seven to get to seven, 10. But and it just never was. We were, there was a world we were just going to be in the air forever. Like it didn't, I didn't see an end to this flight coming anytime soon. But Zach, the flight time is like three and a half hours. Also sneaky, sneaky big flight didn't know it was three and a half. Yeah, we're kind of all the way out there. USA pretty big. But what, what have you dozed off? I've done that before. On a flight? You fall asleep and then you wake up, you check the time and you're like, oh, we're about to land and they're like, oh wait, here's what I'm confused about. Like an hour into the flight you'd switched to time zone. Were you like, oh, we're about to land? I think we switched to like, I don't know. It was on airplane mode. Am I not a switched? I don't know. Well, there was a small nap in in flight. I don't know how long or what time. But also I'm not quite sure we switched that like an hour in. I think we might have switched. If we switched an hour in, we also switched like two and a half hours in because the clock jumped. Well, yeah. Yeah. Mountain time. West coast time. Initially, you went two time zones. Start central, go to mountain, end up west coast. Well, that's how Arizona because you go, it's start central, go to mountain, go to Arizona because Arizona doesn't do daylight savings. So there is a third switch. There is a third switch. No. Arizona is just Pacific time though. No, it's not. We had this debate right now. It's right now. It's Pacific time. Yeah. But we had this debate. We're not in the western time zone. We are in central time zone, just Arizona. Oh, no, there is a mountain time zone. Yes. What? Right. We're in. We're in the warm Pacific time right now. We had this conversation. We're talking to I think it was like the Houston Texans record against West Coast teams. And imagine having this kind of confusion at that kind of elevation. Yes. Yeah. I don't know, man. There's a way. We're in the Pacific time zone right now, Max. Correct. But hold on. I need to look at it on a map. Talia's got to be so, she's hitting that 15 second fast forward button right now for sure. Yes. Arizona is the inverse. Look, it's not something central. It's mountain, Arizona is mountain time. Right. Because they don't do, because they don't do daylight savings. Right. Right. It becomes Pacific time. Right. We're in the Pacific time. But so that means there is no mountain time. I was right. But what I said was correct. It was I understand but we're switching the mountain time and then you switch into Arizona. You would that but Arizona is not like I have a question that might I don't understand what you're not fucking getting here. I have a question that can help explain. I think I think I understand Max. Right now the people from the I heart podcast awards are are sending a letter to our lawyers. Can we get that back is there? No, no, no. I understand that. But I'm just saying we yes, we're in Pacific time. Right. But we're two hours back right now. You're in Pacific time. You keep saying that we go to Arizona. I get the part that we live in Arizona. All right. But it is Pacific time right now is but it's is there a time zone. This is the deodorant all over again. We're two hours or two hours. We're in Arizona. We are currently two hours back from when we live in Chicago. Okay. Pacific time zone is there a place we could go right now that is one hour back. Yeah. If we just go east anywhere east mountain mountain so we could go both ways for an hour. We were talking about crossing across going across time zone lines right in America. We have not gone across the Pacific time zone line in America. We are right. But we're in the Pacific time zone. Correct. Because you went into Arizona which is what I said right that so he went to time zones. Yes. But it was we flew three time changes. Correct. Yes. But it's because of Arizona. I think the exact point is proven. Time changes. So thoughts on universal time. What do we think. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. We get like China has one time zone. Whatever Big Ben says it is. That's what it is. Yeah. We'll figure it out. No we won't. No we won't. No we're just hope. We're just hopeless. One of our biggest one of our biggest struggles on this podcast is forever fell. Time zones. Remember when we used to. It goes back to year one. It goes back to. I've given up giving up on time zones. Yeah. I'll never beat him. But why does it feel like the more we work through this we're getting further away from knowing what time is going to be. At least we get personally. I we get angry. He just fucks us up. Time makes us angry. He's not angry. I'm still really fucking angry. Which is crazy. I don't know. I'm right. I know but I am too. Me too. We're all right. I get what you're saying. You're still in the mountain time zone. We're just nowhere in Pacific time zone. No. In America we are in the mountain time. Right. But we're we're practicing Pacific time. Correct. But in America we are in the mountain time zone. Right. It's just that Arizona doesn't do daylight saving. We're not in the mountain time zone. We're currently in the Pacific time zone. We're literally in the Pacific time zone. Look at any map of American time zone. But they don't work. Pacific time. You're a slave to the map to Big Map. We're Pacific time. No. The time is. Listen dude. Ren. Hey Max. Ren McNally's not going to fuck you bro. I don't know who Ren McNally is. Clearly. We're in the Pacific. What are you. What's our sound guy thinking right now. What are you thinking. Are you thinking this is the dumbest thing you've ever listened to. What was your name again. I'm sorry. Adam. Adam. What are you thinking right now. I understand the confusion. We just don't believe in changing time. Right. What time zone are we in. We're in a mountain standard time. Right. But currently we align with Pacific time. But then we don't change. Right. And we have to compensate for all of you that change. Right. Point Max. Point Max. But it's still we're in Pacific time right now. Yeah. It's the same. It's the same time as Pacific time. Right. Yes. It's the same time as that I will agree. It's the same time. Should just say that from the start. Yeah. Why did you say that. That's basically what I said. No it's not. You said we landed in Arizona. Because we're in mountain rep. We're in mountain acknowledging Pacific. Correct. Yeah. So currently practicing Pacific in mountain. Yes. Yes. Yeah. We're mountain time zone dressed up as a Pacific time zone. No. It's mountain time we're presenting. Yeah. We're presenting. Yeah. Pacific time zone. And we respect the Arizona's right to choose which time course it wants to be. All right. We nailed it. What. Oh no. You had to. No. It wasn't. That wasn't going to go anywhere. Okay. Anything else before do hot seat cool through. He was. I feel like he was about to attack me. Now he got very angry. I think the problem is I started crying laughing which is never good. That's like a trigger for it's like a bowl seeing red. I don't like I don't like that. I couldn't help myself. I want to see the map. I wanted you to see the more it is. It's the heat. We when you get when you're like have a long day in the heat you go zero to 60 so fast it gets a little tired. I go zero to 60 so fast. Yeah. That's true. Okay. Yeah. Either way I don't think we're going to be able to get one of these pitching machines. Yeah. Yeah. They're all they're all spoken for. We get a different pitching machine though. My favorite part of that story with the Nats was like we are finally at the level where we will spend money on a pitching machine and it's not for the batters. The first thing we did was we had the pitchers step into the cage against the pitching machines so that our GM could show them their own stuff. What so that they could feel good about oh shit I'm nasty. I'm a nasty pitcher. Look how good my stuff is. Okay. Which seems like the saddest way to start a season. Yes. It's like you're you're good enough pal. Absolutely. Damn. Yeah. Again not not great. Things aren't great. Inter Nations capital. No. Okay. Let's do hot seed cool throne. It is brought to you by our friends at State Farm in basketball. The great players don't just go it alone. They have teammates coaches and a solid support system behind them. It's kind of like insurance because let's face it a lot of us probably aren't great at doing that alone either and that's where State Farm comes in. State Farm is a teammate always ready to assist. Help you find the coverage you need and help you recover from the unexpected from fender benders to storm damage or even just a question about your policy. State Farm is there to help provide and assist when you need it through the State Farm mobile app a network of 19,000 local agents and online at State Farm dot com. So don't just go it alone when you need help protecting what matters most. State Farm is there. State Farm with the assist coverage options are selected by the customer availability and eligibility vary by state. Were you going to protect me when Max came at me like that? Yeah. He was never. He's Italian. That's what they do. I just wanted to show you. You just said you're all Parkville but it is one thing about Max. I had that was just started beating my ass over time. So you started fucking wailing on me and everyone was like stop dude what are you doing? We are back in the origin place of the thing if I yeah that's true Arizona is a trigger for you as a state as a place. I would beat the fuck out of Hank. I would beat the fuck out of Hank. What thing about you? All right. Anyway transitioning let's let's move on from that. My hot seats of Philadelphia 76ers. They had a tribute video for Jared McCain. What? Who they traded away mere months ago. Are you talking about Jared McCain? Who they drafted one year ago. Rookie of the year for three months? Who came back and seemed like he was maybe the most loved Philadelphia 76ers of all time like more than AI like the reception that he received was it was heartwarming. Yeah I mean playing great. I mean how it's so demoralizing. Philadelphia can't exist. We get in trouble for cheering to we get in trouble for booing all of our players and now we're getting in trouble for cheering for players. I did not I did not put the 76ers fans on my hot seat. No organization. The organization. Oh yeah no that that's that's that's crazy to have a fair come back video for that. Yeah. Trade him in the first place didn't make sense and then to be like yeah let's honor this guy. It's not was the video fucked up. They fucked up. They fucked up. It was like a 10 minute video. It was not a 10 minute video. Did you have highlights with the sixers? Yeah. Jared. Yeah. We got hurt. They did a 10 minute video for a guy. It was not 10 minutes. We are in a different time zone right now so you don't know that we gotta stop talking about time. Max why why why would the front office do that? Why would you do that? It feels like it's like it doesn't mean that they're wrong to trade them. Why would you do that? I don't make these decisions. I'm not even on camera for this episode. Can you guys let me out. Okay. I have a question. Have a question. Max. Like Max giggles right now. The video is just going to look like you guys just yelling off camera the entire time. Max have a question. Who set up the cameras? I don't sit when we go on the road. I don't sit on the camera. I'm not on. Why would you do that? I don't. I don't know. I also I like Jared McCain. I'm happy that Jared McCain got a warm welcome. Me too. Max would you um could you see how he doing something like this? Probably not. Definitely not. Why don't you have the same anger? Like you don't get as riled up about that. It's almost like you expect the Sixers to screw up. Yeah the Sixers are I want the Sixers season to end. That's where I'm at. Sound like a super villain. I want it. I want to be done with this season with the Sixers. You sound like what the guy from Taken. They're going to end the Sixers season. We're in fucking playing bullshit. Playing is the worst. Worst place to be in. Absolutely worst. Max didn't Jared McCain drop a diss track on the Sixers after they traded him? Oh really? He did a Zack. He's so cool. No matter what Zack just goes back to Twitch streams. Jared McCain went on a Twitch stream one time and said one line about the Sixers. And was it mean? I just felt like a diss track was worth noting. Was it on a Twitch stream? That's a fair point. Was it a live rap? Was it a live verse? Yes. That just speaks to his talent as a musician. Yes. Let's show the platform. He set a line about the Sixers on a Twitch stream. What was the line? I don't remember. I don't think there's ever something that you can't be like this person said this on a Twitch stream and have it be something good. No one's ever been like a lot of time. Hey this person said something on a Twitch stream. I'm like oh shit I gotta go check it out. They probably said something really nice about me. No. That's where you drop your disss. I've got the official lyric here. So it was during a Twitch live stream, McCain danced along to a new track from Plackboy Maxx which contains the lyric, we better not run into Philly because if we do, shit gonna get sticky. So that's a Plackboy Maxx lyric. And that's the guy. Shocker, the thunder would beat the Sixers if they run into each other. And that's the guy you made a 10 minute video for. Damn. Good hot seat. Dang. Great hot seat. My cool throne is cannolis. Oh. Favorite Italian dessert. Yeah. My cool throne is Tiger Woods. I like it. I like Tiramisu. Oh I mean dude, let's just throw this out there because I want to know what the AWLs think. Would they be interested in us doing a Tiramisu crawl this summer? Where we go, we try Tiramisu at seven or eight different restaurants in a row. Our guy Shane wants to do this. We don't have any meals whatsoever in between just one Tiramisu after the other. We could use Vanny. We could use Vanny for it. Yeah. Go stop to stop. Would people be in on the Tiramisu crawl for a video of that? Sound off in the comments. I feel like this is gonna be like a that's baseball thing. Like that's gotta be, there's gotta be so many Tiramisu crawls out there. Oh yeah, for sure. We're definitely gonna, there's gonna be like a Tiramisu fest that we just missed. And they're gonna be like mad that we are just jacking their idea. That's baseball. Yeah, it's gotta be. And also porn. Yeah. I love those guys. I actually checked in with them because we're in Scottsdale. I had a respect that texted them. I was like, hey, just you know, I'm on your turf. That's a respectful move, right? Take time. You don't want to, you don't want to run into someone like randomly on the street and then like their crew comes up on you like that. Yeah, someone calls them like, yo, do you see cats here? Yeah, right. Exactly. My cool throne, other cool throne Tiger Woods kind of kind of hot seat. We were talking, they were, he played in the TGL finals. We were talking about sad banners the other day or funny banners. And I was hoping that Max, Max's team would win the finals so we could hang up a TGL banner, a Jupiter TGL banner, but they, they, they lost. That's the thing about Jupiter. Unlike Saturn, no rings. Yeah. Right. Facts. Drops from Jupiter. That's a good, that's a banger. That's a banger of a song. Such a good song. So wait, did Tiger play? Tiger played. And they got killed? Why did he come? So wait, they got to the final without Tiger and then he, he was like, oh, I got to play? Well, they've lost the first round of the final. Right. But they got, they, they went all the way to the final, right? How many rounds of that is? A lot. A lot. Without Tiger. And then they get to the final, the final final and Tiger's like, well, they need me now. And I haven't played in forever. They just geared up for the masters. I was like, let me get some, some selfish. I hope Tiger realizes he cost the Jupiter. What are they called? Jupiter, JCC links or something. Jupiter links a championship. All the Jupiter links fans out there that have been dying for a championship. Is this how many seasons? Two. And who's on all two? Who's on Jupiter? Jupiter win last year? Max Homa, they did not win last year. Okay. So yeah, the curse continues. Yeah. I actually will say right now, Jupiter is never going to win one. Tom Kim, our co-worker, Kevin Kuzner, Oxhay's on there. They kind of have a, you know, a max. So they got super team. Max is the anchor. Max is the guy that's there every week. I don't want to speak on behalf of Max, but we're, as representative of Max Homa, we're going to demand a trade. We have to get off Jupiter. This is bullshit. We have to get off Jupiter. It's crazy. Can't win with that. It is. It's crazy that we got Tiger Woods and we can't win. Yeah. Like they should rig it for Tiger Woods. If this was live, they would rig it for Tiger. Who spot did he take? Kuzner. And was Kuzner playing well? No, I mean, they lost the night before. Okay. Kuzner like kind of retired from competitive he does four player. Right. I knew that. But okay. Yeah. Tiger got killed. And Kuzner was saying, I actually don't even know if Tiger got killed. I don't know how to follow the score sheet. He missed like a three. He missed a bad pot. He did. Yeah. I'm a Motor City golf club and myself. Is that a golf club? I think that's the new team that I was going How many teams are there? Brooks, that's got, they got to be holding that spot for Brooks. Yeah, maybe. They got LA, New York, Jupiter, Boston, the Bay, the Bay, Boston Common, probably six. Okay. Atlanta Drive. Atlanta Drive. They are last year champions. Who could forget? Yeah. Didn't think we went to Magic City. Probably. So we have six teams and then Motor City looks like it's still to come. Motor season expansion team? But my bet would be that Brooks might be on that. This is like a fever dream that you guys are talking about right now. So I feel like video games have become reality. So the only time I've ever watched, the only time I've ever watched this is when Max Houma celebrated after a fake hole in one. I saw that clip. teammate got it. What? Fake hole in one. It was a fake hole in one. Why did you get a hole in one? It was a hole in one that his teammate got. And then he jacked up his teammate in celebration. But what's the fake part? Well, there's no hole. But they got a hole in one on the screen. Are you saying Jersey Jerry's hole in one is a fake hole in one? No, it's real, but there's no hole. So there was still Jerry's was fake. Well, yeah. That's fair. That's fair. But it still rocks. Yeah. And also, if, listen, if a professional gets a hole in one simulator, you should not celebrate. Yeah. That's an act like you've been there before. But it sounds like they're on the hunt for a champion. But it also sounds like you haven't really competed. But it also sounds like Jupiter has a team full of not professionals. Kisner and Tiger Woods. Yeah, it's true. So what are we talking about? They shouldn't celebrate. That is true. I hate this episode. This is a boys around spring break spring break rocks. All right. We're getting a little loose of it. Good hot seat cool throne. Hank, good hot seat cool throne. Great job. My hot seat is short Kings. So baseball is converting to the ABS system and they're having to measure all the players to see what their strike zone is. And through the official measurements that the players are doing, we've seen that there are a few guys that have taken some liberties with their listed heights in the programs. Smart. Including Bo Nailer, who I'm a Bo, I'm a Bo Nailer fan. He was listed at six feet. Okay. He's five nine. He's five nine. I'm five nine. I've never I've never once ever claimed to be your listed at five nine. Yeah, I'm listed at five nine. I've never once thought about being that's a big difference. Five nine to six feet. Your guy, Bregman would be like, five, six to five nine. I'm not well, first of all, I'm not five six. No, I'm saying that would be like the difference. I am five eight. And I say that I'm five nine. Right. That's like me saying I'm, I'm six feet five 11. Yeah. That's a big difference. Bregman was listed six feet. He's actually five 10. Yeah. But that's just like he wanted to be six feet. Connor Wong was six foot one. He's actually five 10. And Gavin Lux went from six to to five 11. So reverse. Yeah. Or no, six two to five 11. Okay. Shorter. Yeah. Yeah. He's five 11. He was listed at six. Oh, God, I got across the league. There's guys that are crossing the six foot line that have just been lying about it the whole time. Right. That's fair. You gotta do that. Yeah, you have to try. Would you ever do that? Absolutely. Yeah. I'm probably like five 11. I mean, I'm six feet, but five 10 or above your note. You're six feet. Yeah. Spikes. That's true. You gotta remember spikes. Yeah. If they were wearing the cleats. Yeah. I all I'm saying six feet to five nine is crazy. No, that is nuts. That's that's yeah. I think five 10 and a half and you're okay with spikes. Yeah. My other hot seat is Tom Brady. Tom Brady issued an apology yesterday to he's actually issued a couple of apologies for this. Did you hear the Tim Carver story? No. So Tom, you also not subscribed to Tom Brady's newsletter that he emails to you. He has a newsletter. Tom Brady's got a newsletter that he puts out. Are you subscribed? No, but I knew about it. Yeah. Are you shocked that PFT subscribed? He's not subscribed. I'm not subscribed, but he he recently I think like two weeks ago pinned a touching tribute to the recently deceased Tim Carver. And he had in his newsletter in his newsletter and Tim Carver's not dead. No, Tim, I'm sorry. I'm he flurry odham. No, Tim Carver died like three years ago. Oh, okay. So you got around to it. You got he finally had around to but it was the touching tribute made it seem like he just passed away just died like last week. Okay. But I guess it's different for different people. That's true. That's a fair point, Hank. He just had to lay it on set grief. You know what, with Tom Brady, I could actually see that like anything that happened during his playing career, he never processed any of it. Yeah. Outside of football. Yeah. Like Tom Brady probably never processed 9 11. Yeah. He didn't need that. He was such a psycho all he cared about probably found out about it like two years ago. Yeah. So this is actually that would be the spend zone I would go with. Yeah, I was Tom Brady. And then my cool throne doesn't matter he was still back up when that happened. Well, yeah. And then after the game, the next game got delayed by a week. And then after that, that's when Drew Bledsoe got his spleen knocked out. So like without a sum of bin Laden, there would be no Tom Brady, maybe. Yeah, good point. You ever think about that? Shout out. What? Shout out. You just shout out. Sama? Did you just shout out Sama? No, shout out. Tom Brady. You should have who? That's gonna have to be a quote card. I didn't know I was gonna shout out. Yeah, shout out to who? Brady, DB. Yeah. Love you. Brady's got all the jokes recently. He's cracking wise. It's fun to see the lighter side of Tom. Yeah. Making fun of Jay and Daniel's mom. Tom Brady's never done anything weird with his kids. That makes them feel like they're too close. Jayden's mom did to Jayden what Tom Brady did to his son. Everybody would talk about it. This is true. It'd be a national news story. It's true. Okay, anyways, my cool throne is Louis Suarez, the old soccer player that has a biting problem. Yeah. Because I think there's a new mouth on the block. Dupuca. Dupuca. Pukinacua has been, what's the word I'm looking for? Accused. Accused by a young lady that he bit her thumb and her shoulder and she filed some sort of illegal filing and it shows the picture of a bite pattern that allegedly belongs to Pukinacua. And Pukinacua has hired an attorney who dismissed the conduct as horse play, but admitted that the bite occurred. Oh. It said that, yes, it left a temporary mark. So this is not a good lawyer. My problem is Pukinacua has hired the worst lawyer in America to defend him against the biting allegations. Your lawyer should never step in front of a camera and say, yes, he did the shit, but in his defense it's kind of horse play. Like boys will be boys. Yeah. You need a lawyer that's just going to be like, he didn't do shit. Next question. Yeah. True Rosenhaus would never do this. So just keep an eye on Pukinacua. Yeah. Keep an eye on Pukinacua. That was a weird story. He feels like weird shit. Things have gotten weird with Pukinacua in the last calendar year. He's starting to get into that zone of like, I guess we need one of those wide receivers who like there's just going to be a story that pops up and you're like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I believe any, oh, you went on a Twitch stream and bit someone. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Topuka. Topuka. That's what he does. All right. My hot seat is all of us because I got a tweet that's been in my head for like four days. You guys see this, the dream job or not. It maybe it's not a dream job, but this was from William Galloway. He said, had dinner at a local establishment last night and was informed that someone on staff was the designated TV remote guy to switch between games. No bartending, no waiting tables, just ball. 10 out of 10 job 100% tip. That's the best job ever. Right? A lot of stress. A lot of stress, but also like not even someone asked you like where like where's the bathroom? Like, no, dude, I'm ball. Yeah, you got a ball. It's it's a great job. You got to get it right though. But you know, this guy does. Yes. You don't do this job without immense pride in this job. I've actually I've always been shocked at how frequently I'll be at a bar and and either yeah, usually the bartender will have no idea how to change the channel. Yeah. Like that's if I was a bartender, I would that's the first thing I would do. Right. Like day one, I'd be like, give me all the remotes you got. But the fact that this guy doesn't do any, you know, everyone else in the like in the back of the kitchen probably hates him too. Because he just shows up to work and he's like another hard day of just hitting the back button. You also have to be convict. You have to have conviction in your beliefs. Because if that's your full time job, you're going to get dragged in 100 different directions at different tables. And you have to be you have to be firm and be like, this is a better game. Yeah, this one stays on. Yes. My cool throne I have two. One is ever should go buy the part of my take book on Barnes and Noble. Yes. Yes, Barnes and Noble. Yeah, Barnes and Noble going to be a I think they're doing a discount on there right now. Yes. On Barnes and Noble. So if you buy it on Barnes and Noble, you will save some money. Also selfishly, like I we've been told that if we can spread out where it gets bought, we have a better chance of being a New York Times bestseller. And I also think that that's something that all AWL should strive for too, because then when someone makes fun of you listening to this podcast, Talia, you can be like, well, actually, they're New York Times bestsellers. So it's a pre order sale right now for rewards, members starting yesterday. So March 24 through Thursday, March 26, you get 25% off when you pre order the book, 35% off for premium members. And that includes the ebook and the audio book as well. And use code pre order 25. Love it. That's code pre order 25, you get 25% off when you pre order and you get 35% off your premium Barnes and Noble member. No offense to our entire audience. What percentage of them are premium Barnes and Nobles? Zero. No, it's not. It's there's at least one. There's gotta be one. Show yourself. One percent. I feel it feels ambitious. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, I'd say it's gotta be at least two. I would like to get two percent. I'm I think it's so low. I like I would be I'm considering being like, let's invite all the premium Barnes and Noble people to the office. We will be like, we'll have to buy two large pizzas. We're good. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? Tag memes. If you're a Barnes and Noble premium customer. First one, I brought a Hank doll with me. Yeah. First one gets the Hank doll. Love that. And then my cool throne is getting horny at press conferences because we had two instances of this. Hell yeah. First one kind of bet like, dude, you got to have better timing, better place, everything. The Michigan defensive coordinator floored it with one of the female reporters during a press conference saying the reporter was the best looking one in the bunch. Okay. This is from the school that brought you, Sharon Moore, with saying he's going to kill himself with a butter knife. You got to rank him. Yeah. That's day one. If you're doing square, you got to rank him. You got to post two final tweets. Yeah. And then our guy, Brian Hodgson, who just got the job at Providence, the shock who is we like him. He said that he classic line. He said, if you ever want to question my recruiting ability, just look at my wife, Jordan. That's a good line. Great line. That's a good line. And also, let's just say, he can back it up. It's also him being like, I don't deserve this. Yeah. So he's like kind of, he's put himself down a little bit. It's about dudes are allowed to be horny about their wives. Have you seen a picture of them? What's your name? Jordan and Brian Hodgson. There's only one Jordan H and college coaching for me. And I think he's okay with us saying this, but he's right. He's right. 100% correct. He's 100% correct. It might be the most correct this has ever been. Okay, I'm looking at this guy right here. These guys. Look, that's a very quick. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, nice work. Very correct. Not saying he's a bad looking guy, but yeah, he's a good recruiter. No, Brian, you're right. Yeah. Good recruit. Respectfully. What are you gonna say? I also agree with him. Like that does that does help for like, if you can prove that you can recruit well there, you can recruit well in basketball as well. Brian, respectfully, I knock out of the park. Hank, what are you saying? I don't know that it proves anything that Max was saying, but I like, I agree. Why not? Guys got a hot wife. That carries. You want to go play for him? Yeah. No, yeah, get close to his wife. But he convinced but he convinced his wife that he was like worth spending time with weird to be like he convinced her. I mean, like, no, like, let's be honest, there is an element of trickery involved. Yeah, he did. He definitely did like a defense is the right word. No, he definitely pulled the, he pulled the quarter out behind his behind his ear. He did a little got your nose and then boom got married. He fooled her. What he did was he was like, yeah, he's like, hey, hey, I know you're not blown away right now. But just hang on. Here's my bank account. Yeah, we're going to be good. Yeah, I can really coach ball. Don't worry. I got this. Trust me, I get better. It's you're going to love me. Give me just a month of your time and you will love me. Hear me out. Hear me out for the next seven years. No, respect him. Yeah. No, he's a good coach. An awesome story. Like he's a the rise he's had. He was that he was NATO assistant four or five years ago. Then Arkansas State then South Florida now Providence Providence deserves a good coach. Came English. Are you nervous about him max? He's a good coach. The shock. Every coach in the big East is a good coach. Well, not came English. I like what I want the big East to be great. Doug McDermott. I want, I know, gone, but they had coach and waiting for you. Although coaching waiting. Not good. Not good. Not all the time. Yeah. True. Not all the time. Now, coaching waiting is a hard thing to pull off. Yeah. We just saw Hubert. That's what I was just referring to. All right. Zach, how's he cool to run? My hot seat this week is going to be in the ball parks. Have you guys seen the most Mickey Mouse 999 challenge bundles being debuted across America? It's become too corporate. The start of it started last year a little bit where they're like, we'll do the 999, but it's like fun sized. Those hot dogs are they're trying to nerf. They're nerfing guys like Deutsch. Yeah, it's a service to guys who came before this commercialized challenge that did put in the work. It's stolen Valor is what it is. Do you know that Deutsch did the 999 challenge last summer in three innings? So it's 993. That's pretty. It's insane. I'm going to go one before you did it before a case race. Correct. I'm going to tell you another story. Do you know that there's somebody in this room who did a 999 challenge, but instead of baseball, Marvel rival games? What is that? What is that challenge? Me and my friends were just playing the game one day and we're just like, what if you think we could play this game and also drink nine beers and eat nine hot dogs one for each game? That sounds like fun. It was a great time. We did it in the Xbox Party. And how many how many hours did they each games like 10 minutes? So it's probably like an hour or two. We didn't underestimated how much shorter a game of our rivals is to an inning of baseball. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Zach, how much longer is it going to be until you're comfortable enough around us to get drunk? We I'm I just don't drink very often. But I will say every weekend. We have some beers at the Airbnb last night. I see you in that is true in in like Instagram stories, just whipping it up, whooping it up at the club. I did go outside recently, but that's not like historically a regular thing. I'm not having a beer with you guys anytime. We actually did last uh, where were were you guys there? I don't you guys might not been the PFT and Hank, you might not have been there when we went to the Cubs rooftop. You with us? I was not there that night. You weren't there. Yeah, I did. You got fucked up. He was drinking beers. He threw up. I didn't puke by beer at the rooftop. Dudes were like chugged with me, Zach, and he did it multiple times. That's the thing people are so kind. They come up to me like, let's have a beer together. And it's like, you have to be in on every one of those beers. Yeah, you can't say no. No, Zach, it's that's correct. If people come up to him and he has to say yes. We're going to to see was that I don't know how I don't know where we're what are we doing with this we're keeping it in I hit the mic every time he goes outside he doesn't go out the last time I did go out though you know a lot less this will just be an excuse for him not to learn how to say no I'll get there for sure he'll never never know nice though they're so nice and I do it keep this in it's just part of this this episode that I don't we might have to submit to the podcast all thing for just stupidity please awls don't do that don't do that don't do that Zach it better be a twisted T our favorite love twisty you know cool thing I got two quick ones if that's okay you because you're gonna get a ton of new friends we might make a lot of a lot more friends I think everybody here if we just if we strive to get like 10 more friends this summer that'd be if combined like 70 more friends I don't know guys I apparently I was seeing the thing the other day people have way more friends than we first thought you know what I think they are so I like what I thought so but I don't think it's case anymore everyone on this pocket try to make a new friend I'll make one new friend is too many make a new friend this year for you Zach one new friend one as well okay should we all present our new friend after we make them we maybe have a maybe in July we have a new friend show what that would be pretty funny this show is insane this show is insane I like it I like it let's all one new friend friend yeah a buddy be a very funny episode it's my buddy yeah hey this is my pal I just you told me get new friend again one new friend has to be brand new can't try to fake us out and like I found this new friend but really we find out you went to college with him brand new question does it they have to be IRL friends like so you get a pin yeah IRL like you have to know him in the flesh yeah fair you do flesh to flesh chicken hands got you yeah all right everyone's gonna bring one new friend what day when are we gonna do that episode sometime in July after the takies after the takies we'll do our one new friend episode and we'll introduce him like hey here's our guy I was gonna be good I want to try to find a really cool new friend that I don't you know some so what if then what if all those guys become friends that'd be sick if that happens then wouldn't we all make 10 friends yeah then we're now the big friend group yeah well yeah no we're gonna make like every friend we bring is gonna be our new friend so yeah we're gonna automatically just we just hack the system because if I make a new friend chances are pretty good that they would get along with all my friends right that is true yeah what a group chat okay in your cool turn oh cool through now two quick ones uh first one is gonna be uh Levanti David uh he knows retirement uh just want to say thank you Levanti David 14 great seasons Buccaneer through and through transcends the game hopefully if I don't have any say but future Hall of Famer Super Bowl contributor yeah that that was the quick one just because like that shot a lot of day man I hope you could just spend more time with the family people that you love fruits of your labor makes a good speech he gave you got emotional I mean 14 years at that position is incredible it really is incredible great human being even better football player okay and then uh I can do the other quick one if you want uh I got a Hannah Montana fans oh did you guys see 20th year anniversary Hannah Montana no no I did not fair I saw attack I saw attack yeah well I didn't watch it but I haven't seen all the things oh yeah I would like to watch it yeah it looked pretty good they got a musical performances they got some sit-down interviews I believe uh Alice Cooper hosts the entire thing the Miley Cyrus quoted saying uh Alice Cooper was uh a little crazy for being such a huge fan because she said she got some money moved in right next store and then uh was like hey Milo I didn't know you lived in this neighborhood Milo Sarge was like well you interviewed me at home like five years ago you definitely knew I lived in this neighborhood yeah chef Donnie was also at that interview no I need a I need a list of every subject we've hit on this show that is on this episode specifically I feel like we've been everywhere like if you're Miley Cyrus in a podcaster is paying that much attention to you gotta be a little creeped out don't you but it's Miley Cyrus man hey my hand transcends any kind of uh everything I would that would never uh okay let's get to our interviews we got John Fanna Tom Izzo pft you got a couple ads before we do that yeah before we get to the two pack of guests uh brought to you by our great great friends over at Reese's everything happens for Reese's if your brackets are a toast you might have busted just because you picked wrong maybe it busted because you wanted a Reese's everything included including your busted bracket happens for 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John Fanta okay we now welcome on one of our favorite guests a very very very very very special guest very special time it is the one the only John Fanta talking college basketball March madness round one and two complete Johnny how we feeling overall give us a recap of the first four days of the tournament just give us a vibe check how we feeling well we're feeling good big cat and the biggest theme is the big 10 right out of the gates as you wear your your badgers cap I was thinking of you on Sunday night thinking why aren't the badgers one of these six teams that are moving on to the second weekend for big cat because they they were certainly talented enough but they ran into high point who almost ran into Arkansas but for the big 10 to have not won a championship in men's college basketball since 2000 and have six of the sweet 16 is certainly a headliner yeah church bells Godzilla bells ring the bells in San Diego ring them all the way to Washington DC Dylan Darling says I am not going to let St. John's lose on a Sunday on a Sunday during Lent we are finding a way to win this game he drives the lane he calls his own play which the name of the play is power and Rick Patino has empowered St. John's to be good again off to the sweet 16 oh the east region is oh Patino hurly shire are you kid Shoshesky you know that Mike Shoshesky will be sitting courtside somewhere in our nation's capital if he can find a ticket tickets are going for four figures down in our nation's capital this is going to be massive the Capital One Arena cannot wait for it Illinois and Houston you've got Illinois who they could go international and win a bar fight at just about anywhere in Europe with Brad Underwood in his track suitly in the way and then you got Kelvin Sampson he could win a bar fight anywhere on the planet with his team because they're tough as hell I cannot wait for that game I am so excited to see that game I thought Michigan restored themselves and they look the part of a team that's going to be very very difficult to beat the NCAA's assist king and Braden Smith is alive in this tournament are there people out there who are you know criticizing the the big dance for the lack of a Cinderella yes then certainly Texas is not one of those that being said the game still delivered several amazing moments there were a lot of almost before Iowa shocked us all nobody had that in their bingo card that the tournament needed that they needed that oh especially not you I did not need that yeah and I've I have apologized to Hawkeye fans and Liam Bluffman yeah I saw Liam Bluffman's bingo card he had that on there yeah and you you call him an idiot you call him a ball and not a ball no you said child please yeah child please I did I did say that and you know what though I am a man of integrity unlike some of our colleagues and I had made I was wrong and apologized for for being wrong so uh very sorry but the tournament still delivers really good moments and uh I firmly believe that you know we're gonna see like the Cinderella I don't think she's dead forever I think when she finally comes out of her casket we'll appreciate it that much more yeah but we're setting up for really fun action in the second weekend and a couple of games that could just be ridiculous Sunday in the tournament was the best the four days yeah multiple buzzer beaters and some moments that made you say whoa yeah yeah no we are our take was you know we saw it there's obviously um a lot of people are like oh we we missed the 13 through 16s having a shot outside of you know Friday night maybe uh it felt it was awesome and and yeah missed that one pop of like a 14 seed you know winning a first round game but on that the tournament's been great and now we have 16 incredible teams incredible coaches and it feels like I know you can like say there's a couple teams that maybe it'd be a real real long shot but there are some really good teams really good matchups it feels like anyone can get to this final four anybody could get to this final four to me like the best player in the tournament right now doesn't play for any of the remaining one seeds doesn't even play for any of the remaining two or three seats yep to me the best player in this tournament right now is Darius A. Cup jr. yep he is ridiculously gifted and just a total stud and his ability to change a game it's special guys he is I think we talked about it a few weeks back he could go on a kemba like run he reminds me of that with with with the level he plays so you know here you have John Calipari as the underdog again in that in that checkered red and white jacket strolling in later this week to take on Arizona and I think he's got as much of a shot as anybody even though his team can struggle defensively at times they got athletes and those athletes play really good ball but you know look you're right we could have we could have a michigan's defeating title team purdue is playing the best basketball they've played all season any of duke uconn michigan satyr st. john's could come out of the east region i wouldn't be surprised and we haven't even brought up husser in lanoa what i can't believe what i cannot believe is that nebraska and Iowa are both in the sweet 16 and both playing each other for the right to go in the elite eight it's incredible out of all the things that you look at what what is the security situation going to be in that building in houston between those two fan bases yeah it's it's nuts i it's crazy these teams hate each other for football and they never have been nebraska never been there iow it's been a long time and then look up and they say oh man we have to play each other like this is i love it though it's going to be great because one of those teams is going to the elite eight i like that they're playing each other i'm i'm glad that it's going to be like that that border it's going to be that clash between two very similar fan bases and one of them is guaranteed to be the elite eight also pft could could we could we have at the first media time out the score be three three i'll be perfect yeah can they figure out how to punt yeah like what's it what would the equivalent be of punting in that game cbs could do something really funny and roll the the college football theme music under the first media time out if it's like six three or three three i honestly think you're missing a huge opportunity to have a half court ceremony at some point this game with kirk ferrants on one side of the court all the nebraska head football coaches during kirk ferrants's tenure on the other side yeah i mean to truly honor that that football vibe there there should be multiple shot clock violations a lot of jump balls in the game just like playing sit you don't want to commit any turnovers necessarily but if you can commit a turnover after taking 29 seconds off the clock not that bad i want to yeah it should be a great game and they are exciting teams to watch too like they nebraska especially i feel like they play a brand of basketball that is it's different from iowood nebraska football what we think of for those schools and fellas the the the huskers you're right their style is amazing to watch it comes from different sources too like you know it could be price sanford on a possession buyuk tin shell the coach's son you know the coach's twins are on the team and on their 23rd birthday they they come up big and sam comes up huge with two amazing sequences but more than anything you know who the biggest winners are the first weekend nebraska fans that that fan base showed out i haven't seen a first weekend site look like that on tv and sound like that in tv in quite some time they understood the assignment and for iowa iowa was a refreshing story you can't you how could you dislike this a bunch of d2 guys that went to drake they wanted drake they want to turn them a game of drake then they go to the big 10 and now they're they're they've won two games and they just took out the reigning national champions which it's wild to think that since 2007 the defending champion has been unable to make it to the second weekend except for yukon in 2024 that is a crazy no you if you're trying to repeat it's so damn hard to repeat only dan hurley has been able to to do it and dan hurley is still alive fellas and he's facing thomas though yeah the by the way the iowa part is it really is crazy considering how they were going down the stretch in the last month of the season they did not look good they were kind of leaking oil as it went down but they just kept on i mean they were they were still kind of rated high in ken palm and net rankings that team was ben macomb's a really good coach and getting to the sweet 16 after fran mccaffrey never be able to do that in 15 years being there it's pretty nuts it's it's crazy how the sport works it is and it shows you that you can't just pull out your wallet and pay for a sweet 16 yeah iowa iowa did they don't have the most money in the big 10 they don't even have i don't even think they have top five or six money in the big 10 i really don't so that you got to give them a ton of credit on a night where ben it starts didn't even shoot the ball well he didn't even have a great game but tavion banks who started his career at ajuko college you know and alvaro for garris who was at robert morris last year and and look this just shows you can poach people from the portal now it's nine month contracts that's the tough part for the for the mid majors and whatnot but for garris we love a great story that the young man loses his dad when he was nine years of age and he points to the sky when he hits the shot of his life that's the stuff of march it's the stuff that we love and that that empathizes with america and the iowa hawkeyes are moving on and there is a big 10 conference game in the second weekend but yeah you're right big cat like ben mccollum has won everywhere he's gone if you can't get behind this story this is a guy he wasn't handed everything in his life he's only 44 he's won four national championships in division two he was at northwest missouri state for 15 years before he gets a look in d1 think about that you're winning national championships at d2 and and you're turning down jobs but a lot of guys would have gone to d1 after five years very spent 15 in division two and he's only 44 could ben mccollum be the next coaching star if he takes iowa to the second weekend in year one why not and by the way i don't i don't know how you guys feel i like that he suits up in the in the love it i love that i love that yes that's a great look so so speaking of that john we have um you know u and c might become available never talked about another man's job but it seems like they've kind of soured on the relationship there a little bit uh can just bill self still make it up his mind but he didn't he didn't seem very committed like if i were to just guess based on how he sounded after that loss and yeah granted he was getting over a tough loss to st john's but he didn't sound like a man that was excited to to get back to work um we could have some big jobs coming available would ben mccollum be a guy that you have to make him say no well you have to make him say no uh i think that his mindset will be iowa was the high major who gave me a chance and we just went to a sweet 16 let's up let's up the pot um of resources that we have remember ben is an iowa city native so he is home so that's something to consider here but there's no question that that he's going to be contacted i mean look if kansas contacts you about their vacancy you have to take the call you have to talk with them it's one of the best jobs in the sport and it's the best home court advantage in all the sport but um you know to me he's a name to to certainly monitor a name that i would monitor is mark bynton who's done a great job now at vanderbilt uh he did a wonderful job at james madison and i think that if i was carolina or kansas he would be one of my first calls i also think dan hurley will get a call i don't think dan hurley is going anywhere i think he loves being in connecticut but yeah if you're north carolina or kansas you want to make a splash you're going to call the guy that's perceived as the best so the best coach in the sport right now today so the cycle is going to be fascinating i mean to me when i see when when carolina loses a 19-point lead to vcu and loses that game like i instantly just think of bubba cutting ham and carolina talk about a a total nightmare of the last 12 months like you want a bunch of press conferences and whatnot you you certainly won one with with bill bellicech but that was about the only thing that you happened to win and now you know you're staring at at having to make another change and that change is the seismic one because at carolina basketball is obviously still okay right right yeah the uh that wouldn't be interesting have you um have you heard brad steven's name thrown out there you gotta call him and make him say no right yeah you have to call him and make him say no okay good i have it it it it it i always laugh when these lists first get published because it's like brad steven's and billy donovan yeah billy billy donovan he said yeah you gotta make him say no and like you said if it's kansas if you're brad steven's you have to take the call yeah you gotta take the call and then they gotta make you say no it sounds like you just set yourself up kansas and brad steven's according to you are at least discussing the the potential of a head coaching vacancy correct yeah you know as much as you and i will discuss st. Elmo's cocktail in indianapolis yeah and we maybe we'll end up meeting there and getting some like maybe brad steven's will say i'll take a charter playing down and and entertain the discussion to play the nba playoffs don't start for a couple weeks that this is what happens every single cycle and it's what will happen again so yes you've sent me up here and uh and and yes brad steven's in north carolina by having one one discussion with the agent you know we'll back will they back up the truck yeah they of course they were back in the truck uh will it happen probably now you know keep keep one eye on todd golden you never know if uh if i think he's happy at florida uh but but he's certainly gonna have some appeal in this cycle as well yeah i i mean brad steven's does have indiana ties too so he knows where st. Elmo's is i think there's gonna be a meeting i think there might be meeting oh at the final four yeah at the final four just keep one keep your other eye on that one iron todd golden the other eye on the basement at st. Elmo's and then it is about time for that annual discussion of tj octal burger too like where where's he gonna go it yeah and i've fallen for that one that's not happening he he's very happy at iowa state cyclone fans will get very angry about this that we're even entertaining the thought they get very mad all the time at whenever things get but tj is is happy to be uh at iowa state and i think he will continue forging on now for year six in aims he he's not going anywhere but of course his name will be brought up you get all different kinds of names brought up when things when things open up i like i kind of want just just just for a day just to get big cats reaction i just want there to be like uh oh you know what i did like over the weekend somebody put it out there i think no escalators the uconn fan account said you know if if you're kentucky and you ever moved on from mark pope you'd have to be looking at a guy who's established in the sec and is one in another school like john calipari mm-hmm yeah yeah i mean calis won the he's completely won the breakup that's not even it's not even close through two years it's it's it's going bad for kentucky can i ask you guys a question do you have the um the sometimes you have to go back to yeah i could get a maid like do you have like 25 of those like sitting in a pantry i just have uh i have one of our guys make them um so yeah i could make one for you no problem like if you if you're thinking jeff fisher to kentucky then we can get that one out within 15 seconds yeah but if you want cal it's gonna take a couple hours but i got you i'll i'll have it out by the end of the day i mean that's there's just so much there it's if you're in big blue nation right now you're you're you're you're pissed yeah mm-hmm yeah you have to be and when people someone said like over the weekend oh you know um uh well he's he's heading in the right direction right direction they spent 22 million dollars on their roster and they're not one of the last 16 teams in the tournament they almost lost to santa clara that's i'm sorry but when you spend that kind of money that's not right direction also side note from the first weekend side note and i'm gonna get you two fired up right now can people learn to take a joke yeah oh weird wait hold on time out time out we should uh time out disclaimer for everyone listening right now kevin willard did attend john phanta's wedding go ahead people need to learn to take a freaking joke he said thank you max there's max how many days away from your big party oh yeah it's coming right up so yeah johnny we invited kevin willard on max's bachelor party can you get that time can you make the call please please i will make the call okay let him know all he needs is a flight we got him for everything i will make the call uh yeah we'll try to make that happen i think you'd have a a wonderful time in los vegas listen he was he he is a patino guy he and mc crone and are both patino guys who work for patino so whether their joke's always land or not is a different story but of course he's not firing his staff come on people like i saw i saw national analysts be like i don't like this look i don't like get a grip he was kidding uh that they weren't guarding inbounds plays they weren't guarding you by the way utah state they gave a rizana a good game like shout out to the aggies yeah well jared calhoun he could be going to cincinati you know i wouldn't be surprised one bit um but take a joke willard was kidding he he's not gonna fire people they have families he's in year one at villanova he's never been liked that to do that learn some humor america learn some humor i don't know it seemed pretty serious to me we try to fire our staff all the time john yeah john memes has been on a pip for the last four years that's true john i don't know speaking of that john why don't coaches how come no teams can inbound the ball anymore a lot of a lot of them do not i don't know why but doing a bunch of games throughout the season it's amazing to me how often this is an issue yeah now many times the inbounds pass goes to the backcourt it goes it goes you know it's a it's a football heave just to get into the point garden sometimes that pass gets contested i'm not sure i mean like obviously i'm not a coach uh but what happened to the c y o stack play point yeah i was always either the screener so the stack play more guys in a single file one guy juts right and ghost goes to the opposite block the other guy juts left and goes to the baseline sometimes i was that man and nobody was guarding me and back in the day could lace that 15 footer home the third guy you want to have some girth on you you are turning around and you are you know setting a screen for the fourth guy to bulldoze his way down the lane and go go up to the rim yep i mean i know it's a tale as old as time but watching some of these inbounds plays don't tell me that the bread and butter situation won't work yeah i agree kind of it's crazy like we know they're scouting we know there's video but that's been around for decades yeah there's some some some guys they looked like they'd never thrown inbounds passed before like they were they were terrified in the moment yeah yeah i don't understand and by the way that's how can't just lost to st john's yeah like they couldn't inbound the ball against full core pressure it's march yeah tenacy was same way tenacy survived but same way kentucky had a million turnovers it did feel like there was moments where it was you know maybe it was just a coaching disadvantage but teams were just didn't feel prepared for that moment and we're talking about hall of fame coaches you're talking about rick barnes and bill sell yeah yeah yeah i mean speaking willer can break press kevin willer could break a well and he could dance at a wedding too yeah he definitely could and he wants to fire all of his uh staff and it's it's pretty offensive it's a position of power john that you shouldn't take you shouldn't make jokes like that i never would do that did you ever feel like he was gonna fire all of his groomsmen like like everybody better be if you're in the crowd be ready for the call up you know it's just and like a certain colleague of ours of course had to tweet as the game went final sure he's got plenty of weddings to attend this summer like oh yeah yeah good one yeah that's a nice burn uh hey question about um your your big east st john's new con still alive in the same region which kind of sucks if you asked me i mean a third would be cool or fourth would be cool but i still i think the tournament i don't love rematches how do you how do you see this going for st john's uconn have you have you talked to either guy patina or hurley how like they're i think hurley doesn't have his best ucon team but he's just such a good coach and st john's not that it's all gravy but patino's done everything he said he was gonna do when he got to st john's yeah hurley is michael miers right now in that he's just wired differently and you can't put him down and even though his team did not play well against firm and they played quite well against ucla so he's got he's the michael miers this tournament and then it's it's very simple but like rick patino is the al patino of this tournament he is the he is driving the hearse from the west coast to the east coast and his next potential victim is duke and john shire and look how do i see this teams that consistently shoot the three and shoot it well are the ones that give st john's issues because you can only defend that so well and st john's they're not a three point shooting team now kansas said we're just going to keep daring you to shoot and they made enough of them to win the game but they only they only scored 67 points uh they they can give duke problems because size and physicality give duke issues and they're going to be able to slow down cameron boozer i really do feel that way and so then it comes down to well i will i say evans well katin boozer you know foster we don't know about his status uh can damay sar give them some more perimeter shooting don't make stars a real x factor for duke and he was uh in the win over tcu but how do i see it i i see it be in a close game because big cat and pft st john's on prep with a hall of fame coach they're going to be ready to go a one day turnaround for duke i'd feel a little bit differently having four or five days they're going to know everything about duke they're going to be ready defensively if they make enough shots and they get enough shot making from joe sahn sanity and jackson osiah sellers they're going to have a chance yucca and michigan state is a boxing match it could it could be the best game of the of of the sweet 16 you have two coaches who just simply refuse to lose and typically they just don't lose in this tournament michigan state is playing as well as anybody right now jeremy fears is a beast they're getting enough shot making from coan kahr's now taken off how about coan kahr yeah he's more than dunker he's a score coler and cooper inside to me can terrace read can the big bear can the big bear with his honey bucket for yucca and hold up because he's got to go up against coler and cooper and yucca doesn't have anybody behind reed that can really will themselves physically like eric rybis talented but he's not terrace read and he's not jackson coler or karson cooper so reed has to avoid foul trouble and then well alice caribbean and brail and mullins keep making threes if they do it's going to be very difficult for yucca to lose yeah that's easy these are toss up games the two of them dc is going to be an event on friday night that that's not a double header that is an event yeah yeah agreed what about uh arizona arkansas i can't figure out this game both teams have looked really good arizona they they struggled a little bit with utah state things got a little dicey then they pulled away actually made some big threes which we don't really expect from arizona um and then arkansas has just played the most entertaining basketball ever and i love watching a cuff and i hope that he doesn't lose just for the reason that i want to keep watching him in this tournament but i can't figure out how this matchup plays out what what should i be i'd be anticipating in that uh sweet 16 game well what you should be anticipating is for arizona their ability to get to the rim and make it a a game in the in the mud they got to make this dirty they got to make it physical they they got to make it a bit of a football game and say arkansas you're going to play the game on our terms and we're going to punch you in the face like that's how arizona has to approach this game they cannot get into a glamour contest they can't because arkansas they've got the king i'm going to call him right now i'm going to call him the king hog i love it king derrius a cuff jr is king hog king hog king hog who pig a cuff i like that that's how well he is playing right now and if you try to get into a let's let's just get into a three point shot making contest arizona still bottom 15 in the country right how much they rely on the three now arkansas they're not going to hit 13 of them but they went nine to 16 against tie point and a cuff had the 36 to me for arizona jayden bradley his ability to defend is very important in this game and then co-op and braden buries have made winning plays all year they've made winning plays all season long who's better a cuff for melik thomas and melik thomas or is it p and buries who are driving the bus and then for arkansas they need melik you in to keep playing well because you got on the other side arizona's got the size they're going to rebound the basketball they're going to protect the rim and uh that starts with crevas you can't let mo crevas have 2011 if you let him do that arizona's going to win in my original bracket and you guys know i'm a man of integrity i apologize to iowa fans yep mm-hmm my original bracket has arkansas pulling off the upset their athletes their speed king hog wears the crown and takes arkansas on the elite a and he doesn't stop there he takes them to the final four i love it i love it all right well a confident in the in the final four would be incredible yeah gun to your head johnny uh which coach which remaining coach do you trust the most mm hmm mm real real good question yeah real good question that's why i asked it guns to your head oh i think it means as a shotgun means as a shotgun tom is a tom is a yeah it's it's tom is oh because i never hit here's here's why i trust him it was going to be is over kelvin samson and by the way i think i think houston's going to get to the final four and i think they if i had a pick right now it seemed to win the national championship it's houston redemption tour uh i i just you know i think it could be houston michigan in the final and there's something about the feeder uh for the houston cougars coming so close last year but my answer was iso and my answer is so because the guy doesn't get blown out he doesn't let miss jots impact how his team plays i want a coach who gets his team in the game in the last three minutes no matter the opponent and i don't see you come blowing out michigan state i think it'll be down to the wire and i think michigan state can beat anybody in this tournament because they have point guard play they have two big men and now jordan scott and cohen car and even cam ward are supplying enough depth with michigan state the question always is do they have enough sources of scoring this team now does and isos got a great way about him and i know that he you know i get when people are like well you know he's he's got the title in 2000 but what else guys this guy churns out second weekends with teams sometimes that are not qualified to do it every single year and this team's qualified to make its indianapolis so i i can't go again it you know iso hurley patino all being in the same region stuff but isos track record um as much as rick did it and had glory years remember this about patino he hasn't been to a sweet 16 in 11 years now he was out of the sport he was in greece he's an amazing coach but i also give that answer knowing michigan state's point guard play something that st john's does not have even you con it's been up and down isos got a point guard he's got two bigs and he's got enough shot making he he beats zion wiliamson with this type of team yeah yeah come out of this with him with this type of team that's why i say iso okay so right now on drafking sportsbook which you are a sponsor with johnny plus 475 to get michigan state into the final four so if you want to if you want to if you want to bet on if you want to bet on iso i like that that's an east that i mean that friday night is going to be just incredible it's the batch of sir nuts it's it's it's so great it's gonna be it's gonna be insane i mean wash i'm seeing the secondary ticket market and i don't think i've ever seen anything like it for a sweet 16 uh what a double header it really it really will be it'll be phenomenal i think thursday night i know it's a 10 o'clock at night but illinois houston like folks get into the office late friday morning i don't know what or don't work friday at all yeah illinois houston down in houston will be a tremendous game illinois offensive talent is amazing wogler baswell stoya akavitch you know we don't talk about but here's page of stoya akavitch's kid having 20 plus in a tournament game the illini are fun wisconsin beat them in champagne but the illini are fun we'll beat them in the big 10 tournament too what about uh what about michigan alabama that's a lot of people here at barstelsports are gonna have our eyes on that game uh-huh two titans pretty much are two co-ceos of the company yeah davin riko going at it the big two i mean for all the marbles you talk about a lot on the line for riko bosco um alabama i don't know if this style can can win a tournament um it's fun to watch when it works and michigan hasn't really been tested so who if you had to bet would you be putting your lot with dav or with riko dav getting the car let's take a drive take a drive a nice a nice ride uh to the airport because we're gonna fly okay and uh and the other one's gonna bust you take a nice uh charter bus with some rolled gold pretzels and that disney water that's two days old that was sitting in the back of a shell station uh i'm gonna go with with uh dr. dav portin on this one because michigan's length here's the thing alabama could have a shot in this game because they're top 10 in points they get off threes that's a plus well baron phylon is amazing there's no question about it that being said alabama doesn't turn people over they do not turn people over uh and michigan's struggle has been in in the turnover column and michigan should be able to get to the rim at will against alabama alabama's interior defense is not there that spells trouble for the crimson tide it spells trouble for mr bosco stick one of my favorite cafeteria snacks growing up and it smells trouble uh for that alabama sweatsuit i think that thing gets put away later this week and i think dav portino and the wolverines move on okay i like that all right last question johnny it's always great to have you on uh roback question r h o b a c k dot com promo code take 20 percent off your first purchase q zips polo hoodies joggers shorts roback dot com promo code take can you just get us pumped up just get us give us the old phanta just give us a one phanta pump up you know about about this weekend coming up are you feeling sweet america because you should be it's here you need two wins if you're a squad walking into a building this week two wins to get to indianapolis where a champion will be crowned if you're a big tenth then you're rejoicing because you've got a conference matchup in this sweet 16 who had nebraska and i won the sweet 16 nor alone squaring off but there are four other big 10 squads in the sweet 16 in the east in our nation's capital where america will be celebrating its 250th birthday this summer college basketball will be celebrated at capital one arena duke and st john's patino versus shire coach k will certainly be watching the star power real cameron boozer on one side zubi dubi do on the other for st john uconn and michigan state will hurley or iso sleep with their eyes open the night before you can count on that cohen car jeremy fears on one side alex caraband the winningest husky the king husky on the other oh to the right side of the bracket here comes that checker jacket of john calipari in arkansas looking to pull it off over zona shaw miller wears a cowboy hat now and texas they might be sweating but they're sweating their way to the second weekend braiden smith is the all-time assist leader could perdu break through again and have a home final four a storyline we haven't discussed as much but we should be discussing more michigan they've been amazing alabama so well coached under mr oates who will have a better breakfast who will bring the muscle the toughness to that one and then toughness muscle they are not an option they are mandatory when tennessee and iowa state meet up this is the sweet 16 this is march this is why we love the sport of college basketball and when the weekend is all said and done you will look to the calendar and say Easter weekend is actually next weekend it's final four weekend and which four teams will emerge into the sunlight and be ready to perform on college basketball and for that weekend sports center stage oh you're the best johnny thank you we love you johnny you're the best uh and hopefully we see you soon and let's let's let's watch some more games nothing better i love you guys will i see you in indianapolis you will be on site i think i'll be 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alone two and now you're here how how are the vibes a day after where you're feeling you know hey we did this again we've we've gotten at least one step closer well i wish it was a tradition that means it would automatically happen and it doesn't automatically happen as you guys know but it is pretty thrilling that uh we have been the 17 of them i feel blessed lucky a lot of good players a lot of good staff members a lot of people that help you get here and you got to have some luck too you know sometimes it's an injury against you sometimes it's one of your guys there's a lot of things that go on in these seasons as you can see around the country right now and uh i'm just happy we get to still work because if we're still working today that means we're still playing yeah yeah that's fair and and after the game you said something that that caught my eye when you were talking about being a steward of the game and i feel like we've got you know from from uh from the old school generation we've got some of you guys that are still sticking around looking after the game for everybody else and we appreciate that but what did you mean when you said that uh it's important to you to be a steward of the game well i mean that the game really doesn't change and that we have a responsibility to the game more than we do to ourselves or schools or even our players i mean the game is what's been so valuable all this time and i just want you to know that when you say old school it really does hit a sore spot with me so i can say that to you guys on this station because i know you but um it's not old school it's right school i don't want to do anything old school i want to do it the right way and the right way has been done for not 20 years not 40 years 100 years you know you hold people accountable you have um you know you play for the name on the front not the back you know if we're going to be pro ball then go pro ball but right now we're college so let's stay college and figure out that you know there's nothing wrong with holding people accountable there's nothing wrong with people playing for the players that played here before there's nothing wrong with playing for your city and your community and your school uh if that's old school you guys are on dilaclue that's real school is right school it's the way it's supposed to be it's an awesome message because i think it's interesting to look around the league and see you know a lot of the guys that you coached against for many many years kind of exited stage left when n il and transfer portal ramped up you you stayed the course and you've you've kept on doing it like you're showing hey i can do it the you know from 20 years ago when you had guys stay for four years i can do it now when guys you know might be gone or transfer after a year it's really a testament to your coaching ability and like your ability to keep everyone together which i feel like in the locker room afterwards you got a little emotional and that was the message that everyone here has had a part of it and that's why that's what michigan state basketball means well it does though i'm not going to kid you that you know i don't know how long you'll be able to sustain something like this because sooner or later you know with players leaving and coming all the time if you don't have a core group and i have a core group what that'll be like in a year or two who knows but um it is difficult it's more difficult it is a reason a lot of these football coaches and basketball coaches have left because they don't really believe that this is right are you ready for this for the players not for the coach not for the school not for you know this and that is is it right you know is it going to help them in the next 70 years because that's really our job i mean we we all know that one percent of our guys 1.2 percent are going pro 1.3 percent of the football players are going pro so that is a minute number and yet all the rules seem to be made for that those guys are going to make money and do things anyway so that's my concern is what does money do what does transferring what does going places for the wrong reasons what does that all do for you but that should be an off-season topic yes you guys yeah because right now it should be about the incredible games going on yes the opportunity for us to play in another sweet 16 against either two teams we've played yeah you've gone for UCLA and both of them make me nauseous so maybe you're right let's not hate the transfer portal that might be better than talking about those two teams yeah so all right so we have some advanced scouting for you uh on uconn and ucla so uconn you said we're taping this before they play uconn we're good friends with coach dan hurley what you have to do to stop him is do not let him drink his rage piss before the game so he has a bottle of urine and he drinks it on the sideline before the game tips off don't let him have that that's his secret sauce okay well i want to know this because i know both guys i'm close with danie hurley you know i really am he's had some pro offers i did we talked a lot i think he does a hell of a job and mc crone and is doing a great job out there too but i want to know who in the hell is going to officiate that game tonight that guy is my hero yeah some poor bastard yeah i think what you have to do is if it is against coach hurley you got it you got to come out with your own bottle just take some take some water a little bit of yellow uh food coloring in there and you have to show him like hey what you got i got one better and just let him know i'm not here to mess around we're both drinking piss yeah you know the advantage of being a veteran guy is all the years i've been here and all the 28 times we've gone to the tournament i've still never shot a shot guarded anybody made an assist made a free throw so i think danie and i could drink eat and do whatever we want to do it's probably not going to have any any valuable position on the outcome of the game i probably disagree with that i act back titles and i know that you sometimes when your players get amped up during a game you almost get calmer and you you bring them over and you say hey i want you to calm down you we can't afford to have you get a technical let me be the one that costs us the game by getting a technical very true yeah it's like when you when other people are around you you know you know i i've seen you on the sidelines you have a tendency to to get excited emotional as we all do but i feel like when your players get excited emotional you almost get more calm in that moment is that true it is true because i know that uh i know where i can push the envelope and where i can't i don't think a player does and i don't think referees want to listen to that as much so you guys probably evaluated that pretty well now you gave away my secrets yeah although that that shot clock violation at the end of the first half against louisville that you should have you should have gotten everyone off the court and been like hey you guys don't deserve to play ball i saw you getting mad i was equally as mad you can't have that happen yeah there's a lot of things that can't happen but you know as much as i joke about the coaching part i'm not sure i'd want to be an official in my second life coming back yeah probably not you probably will be though if there's like karma is real you would have to be an official coming back now i'm going to be a football coach i already decided that because you know you can grab guys you can do things you can yell nobody's looking right at you you can hide between between 100 players you got down there you're not right next to the court um those guys got it made those helmet head guys i love that yeah but you i will say this the uh the the public discourse on you yelling at your players i think has gone all the way back where people all respect where you're coming from we had we had your your guy draymond green on the show uh we sat with him for like an hour and a half it was awesome and we talked about this where it was like look all these he pointed out he's like all these guys who played for coach iso will stand up for coach iso when one of these clips goes viral do you think that's the case if we didn't think he actually loved us and wanted the best for us like so that that is what what people miss and that's what they you know sometimes i don't want to say the world's gone soft but you're doing hard coaching but it comes so he said it comes from a place that he loves you and you have that foundation then you can talk to anyone however you want because you know it's just honest truth back and forth well it's it's a responsibility and it's accountability i mean you know we're not always yelling at people i mean i'm italian so you know you know what it is but the honest truth is our job is to hold people accountable to accomplish the goals and dreams that they have not what i just have what they have and so if you were looking at your own son or daughter if you had one or your cousin or whoever and he was walking across the street and you told him not to do it because he's gonna hit by a car if he did it 10 different times and the car just missed him would you say johnny please don't walk across the street or would you get after him a little bit because you know that he's doing something that's going to create a problem and it's not going to end well that's what experience does you know i think that's what's helped me and and you know what if you spend a lot of time with your players i love dray marty's the best and um then they know that you know i have meetings with players to let them know you tell me what you want me to do you want me to hold you accountable you want me to let you go if you want me to let you go then i'd probably put you in the transfer portal not me right because you know that's just the way it is i mean guys gotta why would you say you know you almost apologize for the world's getting soft the world is getting soft yeah yeah you're right so i mean but but the win championships and to be successful um there's no softness to that you know i i had the advantage you know i started here with nick saban i know what nicks like bill bellichick used to come here to spend time talking in his camps i've i watched the john thompson's i talked to magic johnson about what pat riley was like you know i mean sure some guys can coach different if they got you know ten mcdonnell's all americans are eight all pro guys but you look at bill porce you look at the good coaches they do it in different way but accountability i think guys is the key that we're all striving for yeah who's one guy on your team this year that has improved a lot that has taken this this style coaching the the tough love at times and embraced it and uh and approved over his time at the school i actually think i got a lot of guys i think both of our big scholar and and cooper have improved but i i think jeremy's improved because he's the guy that you know i you have to go at the most because he's your quarterback you know i was telling him and i got a lot in common you know if if it's on the court he gets blamed for it if it's we lose i get blamed for it so we're both getting blamed for things so we might as well get along and do it the right way and i really enjoyed the way our relationship has grown and what what has happened it was the same way when i started with matine cleaves and it's never changed um those guys what i what i don't think people realize and magic said this to me once great players want to be coached and pushed because great players want to be the best players so they do you know it just sometimes in the high school level now or you know nobody does that because kids will leave you know you don't get a ribbon you leave so it's different is that uh is it fair for him to say that that michigan says point card university well we've got a lot of good ones you know i mean i'm sure some other schools have too but you know uh you know the magic man of course you know i was in here then but um you know he's one of the greatest of all times and for me matine cleaves was the greatest of all times because he embodied everything i believe in you know he ran our team he found how to make guys better he you talk about a guy who pushed guys you should be happy he's not coaching but he pushed his best friends and um that's why we won a championship by the way it went to three final fours yeah uh so talking about coaching guys hard a very funny story this year happened when you uh yelled it at one of your players ker tang during a timeout saying you know my mother can guard better than you you then had your mom in her uh retirement home had the picture they did a photo shop of her playing defense loved it my question though because i'm sure you talked about a lot would you have said that same thing to cohen car because then you would have maybe had a situation where cohen car is dunking on your own mother i had my mother dunking on the broad so that's even better you know um if cohen couldn't guard i'd say it but i said it to people you know the difference is guys my mother turns a hundred in me so she's 99 so there's a little better impact right now yeah you can't guard you know my mother at 99 can guard better than you but probably when she was 75 i was telling kids the same thing you know you can't guard my mother i won't look at that as insulting she's my mother yeah does she still have eligibility left well the way the courts work now probably speaking of cohen car though um are there ever times where you're like oh my god it like almost stop and be like how did he jump so high because he's just it's awesome watching him play in dunk and i know that you don't want to get caught up in a moment but is there or have there been a moment where you're standing on the sideline you're you almost like leave your coaching brain and say holy shit that was incredible you know i've got one lucky thing we probably have 130 practices a year then you have another 20 in the summer whatever it is so i get to see him 150 times so the 30 that he's in the game situation i've seen better dunks you know maybe in practice but i've been blessed you know jason richardson shannon bravado i've had some great leapers in my day but cohen at six six six you know 230 pounds is one of the more powerful dunkers i've ever had and uh and he's such a good kid i mean he's just he's the world's best kid and he's starting to play better and better and better right now and i really enjoy watching him go yeah yeah have you noticed uh this post season i've heard a few coaches talking about it um the difference in the balls have the balls been as overinflated as we've been told for the last two years you know i i have heard that um i don't i you know like i said i don't even get the touch up ball so i don't know but uh we've been shooting it pretty well in the last two games so right if it has maybe i should inflate the ones we use during the year yeah i've i've just heard a few coaches talking about it i've also noticed that it's uh coaches that just lost that tend to bring it up so i have heard coaches talking about it too and there's been years that i think you know it is amazing um that we play with five different balls you know we got balls here we order like 12 balls from every ball company there is so that you're playing wisconsin it's one ball if you're playing somebody else louisville it's another one if you know at least the tournament they keep them the same i don't want why we don't do like the nba just everybody plays with the same ball and call it a day yeah i agree make a lot of sense uh when the bracket came out we were we were talking about this on sunday selection sunday do you think that the committee has some type of like perverse thing where they just want to have duke in michigan state in the same region because it happens every single year it's happened more than a chair of times i guess that's a compliment but i don't think so i i think i agree with most of you guys meaning the talking heads that um you know the east is the toughest i mean i'm looking at a game tonight where cancess is playing uh st john's in a four five game and i'm going what the hell is that yeah you know so it's hard to say but i hope they're right because that means we would get to the elite eight and have a chance you know yeah unfortunately we got a game before that it'll be a lot harder but when the bracket comes out um you know i no i don't think there's any conspiracies i just think that thank god we've been pretty good and they've been great over the last 20 years so maybe it ends up that way yeah i mean just looking at the bracket in the east and just imagining no matter what four teams are in that regional in washington dc you're gonna get four all-time coaches going at each other i was just looking at that when that came out i was i was getting excited about just thinking about the matchups we could get out of it um i got a question for you about about uh our good friend uh john rothstein and how he always says january february iso can we change that up so it's january february march iso wouldn't you rather be known for april than march i i don't care what i'm known for i just want to win another game man i want to work another night you know that's all i want to do i was so excited to come back last night and one of the few times we played on the thursday saturday format so now today we got to have a team meeting kind of go over the logistics of the week and a little bit of the film but i think one of the big things right now is we get a little rest and uh we get to watch the team will play we get to watch them as strange as it is though it's at 8 45 tonight but i'll step and watch that that'll be good so i'm uh whatever john wants whatever you guys want i just want to be playing and march in april how's that yeah i i want to change it so it's january february march iso there you go and then we sleep in may that sounds better to me that does yeah i noticed too in the locker room after you said you said your players you know you guys get us these two we'll get you the next two is it really your when you get into the tournament you're you're thinking of it as just weak by like you're not thinking ahead at all it's just like these next two games in a pocket and then these next two games in the pocket because you've been elite at the at the second game in these you know formats where it's a quick turnaround is it you know really hey now it's almost a new tournament starts with you know when you get to dc on friday well i stole it from i heard mike schisky once say you got to win the weekend you know once you get good enough that you you're not just trying to win the first game you know like nebraska i mean it was unbelievable setting last night and you know when they the first night when they won their first nca game i um those are exciting times but when you win a national championship then you realize that's that's all people really care about to a certain extent so winning a game doesn't matter you got to win the weekend and so we won last weekend now we got to win this weekend and it gets harder to win the weekends because the teams get better but that's what it's all about and that's what we're going to try to do yeah uh you were saying something about how this team has kind of rejuvenated you a little bit me i don't know if you were saying they made you feel younger or they made you feel like you want to stick around and coach for what like they extended your career by two years two seasons what is it about this team and is that like an accurate uh statement or were you were you just messing around saying that they made you feel too young a reporter told me that it it doesn't seem to matter when it is my teams look pretty similar sometimes a little more talent sometimes not but i think we play similar and i just told him that's a compliment if he thinks that way with the team i got in the last couple of years it does rejuvenate you know you listen it's been tough on coaches okay it's been tough on people these new rules don't kid yourself and everybody's wondering what the hell my guys um have been so good you know having lost a lot of them uh most of them i've stayed and uh they just make me feel good about the profession i'm in so i've said often lately i still love the players i still love the practices i still love the job i just i don't respect them away the profession is right now and uh but we're partly to blame for that yeah the mca's but blame but the coaches are to blame administrators are to blame i mean this probably wasn't handled right it's got to be fixed and all i want to do is be part of the solution yeah um so going i actually have a non basketball question for you because when you said i'm italian i yell our producer who's very italian we actually have like all italians yeah oh yeah oh yeah he raises his voice by the way it's at a level yeah yeah so that by the way that was my scouting report from mic crone and don't raise your voice in them okay so it's on camera dude don't do it all right so just don't do it don't let hurley drink the piss don't let mic crone and raise your voice what is your favorite italian uh meal um you know i like lasagna new yorkie raviolis i like all three of those so you know you pick and choose uh different times but um it's not like i'm eating out a lot so you know it's usually uh around the office and everything but uh yeah like italian food but i like steak too so i'm i can go anywhere you want the other thing i don't eat as much as fish which is the only thing good for you so that's all the problem yeah yeah have you have you had moments where you've uh because like i said we have a lot of italians in this office and i've heard them say sometimes where they're like people like don't yell it's like hey i'm not yelling i'm just italian have you used that before where it's like they just their voice just goes up and they can't stop themselves i think there's a little truth to that i think every nationality has its own way of expressing you know sometimes italians talk with their hands other people do other things you know but uh now i tell my players ahead of time no matter what i say to you take it for what i'm saying not how i'm saying it because i know my own you know i got faults too like everybody else so i usually preference it every season just worry about what's being said not how it's being said because i love y'all yeah yeah that's good if you do happen to get into a match up against rick patino have you thought about wearing the white suit fighting fire with fire now rick let's get in his white suit man he's done a hell of a job too you're talking about a guy that's reinvented himself a few times uh you know there's there's there's one thing he can do boy he can coach and uh he's done it at all levels and he's been successful at all levels and uh it's gonna be an interesting game tonight who you guys picking let's put you guys on the spot i mean i i picked kansas but then uh bedouin good just got two early fouls so that might not be looking too good right now but i would i think it'd be a good look to have you try to pull off the white suit patino try to pull off the white suit it'd be a good yeah i just battle the titans going after it but you know what the difference is patino wears suits i kind of dress more like you guys so i want more for you guys yeah we've been saying that like i want to bring back suits i had that take a couple weeks ago i think college coaches should bring back suits now some of the guys like some of the younger guys i get it it would be weird if tony golden was in a suit but you got to be you got to you got to suit up so so do you think you two should wear suits on the uh absolutely no no no i'm talking about we get stains on them we're sloppy guys hold on we've never worn suits so the precedent has never been said when i want to suit when everybody's sweating all over me you know i'm in a huddle i'm always looking up at guys you know i've vertically challenged a little bit so why would i want guys sweating on my nice suit maybe bring out the grinch sweater again that was an all-time look that was campy he's another piece of work i will coach we really appreciate your time whenever you come on with us it's so much fun i got one last question roe back question rho back.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies jogger shorts roe back.com promo code take do you look at your own stats ever because i have a stat that's pretty impressive a tom is oh stat do you ever see them you know what people throw them at me once in a while and it'll be common for me to say not really and then everybody says oh sure but um you know the only stats i care about are the banners hanging and even knows i just don't think um people are gonna look back you know they talk about legacies and all that hell people the greatest players in the world you know they're gone in the next week they forgot about them so i just worried about you know can i have an impact on a game can i really have an impact on players that hopefully will last the lifetime so any other stat i don't know you know i get a lot of them thrown at me when we accomplish something like barbie knight's record you know and i say yeah but you know i play more conference games than he played we got more teams now you know there's always records are not equal to be honest yeah well here's the stat i want to throw it at you your 26 and 9 on two-day turnaround games in the ncwa tournament so that's the second game of of a weekend and seven of those losses have come to either a number one seeder eventual natural national champion essentially the stat is you don't lose games you're not supposed to lose and you and especially when you're playing the set you know the back-to-back games or you know there's a day in between but that's pretty insane that you're 26 and 9 if you win the first round you're going to the sweet 16 if you win that you know if you if you win in these sweet 16 you're going to the final four it's it's it's a hell of a stat and uh it speaks to your coach because i assume that quick 24-hour turnaround that's when you got to be a lead at coaching yeah that's what you got to have a really good staff really good managers that get all the film together and you got to have cerebral players that can pick up things and like 30 minute film sessions and walk throughs and all that but i guess that would be a stat i'd be proud of you know i i i i appreciate that but um all i want to do this week i want to win the weekend but i really win the first game first you know yeah that'll be friday night yeah coach um i have a request for you uh throw that white suit question out that's that's you know some mickey mouse stuff if you guys win another national championship will you bring back the musical iso goes to broadway will you get back on the stage if we win another national championship i just might do something that crazy i know a guy who could produce it and uh we could raise some money for cancer like we did last time i could fly you two guys in and you guys would be part of the show if you guys wore white suits yeah and i'd let you announce behind your little desk there it didn't help the time so let's see if we can go for it we'll all be happy and i'll look forward to seeing you guys in a couple weeks hey we'll do it i'll i'd be happy to be part of that show absolutely absolutely well thank you so much coach you're the best and uh best of luck coming up in the sweet 16 thanks a lot guys my son is gonna be more happy than i did your show than even me so i love it 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island tomorrow is that tomorrow oh yeah it's tomorrow dude uh jim bayheim murdered seracuse basketball with his last year slash departure careful careful with those words together say what you want about coach k but at least he chose a worthy successor yeah uh jerry mac and mera god bless the broken road that led us to him i feel like he is his destiny i will say okay i'm gonna say something nice about coach k i do think that part of your legacy should be how you leave it to someone else and what it looks like because there are some guys out there that like don't care what happened you know they they almost root against the team uh not saying jim bayheim did that but yes leaving it to someone else and leaving a good place is definitely part of your legacy and that part has not been good for jim bayheim because seracuse is i'm sure it's more complex than what i'm saying right now but it has been sad to see what's happened with seracuse hoops all right but you could also say yeah credit to coach k because john shire so far has like not been a bad coach he's been pretty good well and also coach k i will say i can i hate that i'm saying anything nice about coach k but he did have a lot a lot of guys to choose from to be his successor and also i would say he picked the right seemingly the right one and but i would say at duke your prime for success a lot more so than you are at seracuse because there's more stuff that goes into it than like seracuse has had some in il issues with money no seracuse is not not the same program as duke i just i duke was going no matter who they hired to be the next coach as long as it wasn't like a complete nobody they were going to be set up in a position to succeed and at seracuse might not necessarily be the same yeah and seracuse is another one of those schools that has uh been hurt by the fact that football is king and they they went from a big e school to an acc school to chase the football dollars and they're a basketball school they should be a basketball school and i want seracuse to be good at basketball people still aren't talking about shock of smart reaching one sweet 16 with all the resources of marquette and missing the tournament altogether time for changes now if colick didn't work out he would have been he would have nothing to hang his hat on which is embarrassing he had one good year 10 years ago for some reason hangs around producing nothing of substance i wouldn't say nothing of suck like he's been it's been disappointing for him yeah someone a marquette fan pointed out my take on because i had this take with rosting when i was like two weeks ago and after the badgers got bounced they're like dude shock of smart and greg guard have been like the same sweet 16 like how the how the fuck do you explain that and i was like i root for one of the guys and don't root for the other that's a pretty good explanation why my my my bar for success completely changes yeah it's pretty pretty simple but yeah no it is it's a it's a cautionary t shock of smart is the cautionary tale don't succeed too much too early a shock of smart so then everyone's gonna just be like where's that guy he's also the cautionary tale of don't be bald by choice dude yeah like come on what the fuck was that yeah it was weird dude yeah like yeah okay we get it you have hair now but like you don't have to rub it in everyone's face a lot of hair my culture is not your costume him and nick right yeah right did that good point like nick right he's a friend we gotta have a mark on mba playoffs but you can't do that you can't do that to bald guys you can't like that's really mean there's enough that we have to deal with yeah all right last one how many mo foe in times are we gonna see teams down three in the final seconds do the grand hill he passed down the court i don't know if i've seen one clean catch of the ball all season just pass horizontally and take a chance from half court uh yeah i mean i wish that i actually my take is i wish that we would get side out of bounds in college basketball because it would make it more exciting at the end of games when you have like one and a half seconds left there's just a zero percent chance you're gonna get a good shot off and it would be awesome if you get side out of bounds but the times that you do get a good shot off that is kind of it kind of rocks it seems like three and a half seconds goes a lot further than it used to though like oh i mean florida zavian lee got down the court yeah that was another one ben mccallum i know that i'm just i need to stop glazing him but the way he he defended that it was so perfect he had a what oh sorry i thought you were 11 the uh he like set up a wall where zavian lee almost got disoriented and drove too deep yeah where a lot of teams will try to guard you from the beginning he didn't they didn't they let zavian lee get to half court but they like almost sunk their wall so it was like disorienting where he was driving to he's a fucking good coach man yeah he's that iowa is the Cinderella if you want a Cinderella but yeah we're saying though it feels like 1.5 seconds doesn't go as far as it used to yeah and 3.5 goes way further than it 3.5 is a full it's eternity yeah just darling on st john's yeah that was a that was a full possession yeah i'm excited for hoops this is gonna be a great sweet 16 i would like last thing before we stop everyone give your full game predictions for so we we bet what's our parlor hey can uh texas i think perdu wins texas covers i guess we have to say nebraska i think illinois wins and arcan arcan arcan sorry i think arizona wins arcan side covers i think i think illinois wins i think illinois is going to the final four no i think houston i think houston and i think they do it decisively you think they blow out illinois yeah all right and i want to i don't think a blowout i think i think eight houston by eight you're gonna say blowout kougs let's go kougs houston's wagon get get with hang drop your dick say blowout i think it's eight i'm not gonna lie it's eight 18 whoa hell yes 18 all right we don't have a lottery ball you want to do numbers on here i'm gonna do eight do 18 56 four hey are you doing 18 for the amount of holes that you're gonna play tomorrow no i was doing for the houston illinois thing i just talked about good coincidence though i'm gonna go 23 adam you want to guess the number more more than 18 just guess the number 36 100 52 just guess eight eight there we go and it doesn't really count that one sucks to win yeah i don't care i don't care it shouldn't even do it on the hook i feel i feel i feel better about my kougers my prediction eight yeah eight it was eight it was eight it was eight all right happy birthday to um mike white from the jets serges parker survivor big he's an he's an he's an survivor drama got booted new millionaire piqua alarm strong yes did you tell him happy birthday when you saw it i saw happy do you say happy 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