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One per new customer opt in required non with drawable predictions dollars expire in one year ends February 8th, 2026 market availability varies eligibility restrictions apply C terms at DKNG dot co slash predictions promo. We're three days away from the trade deadline. It's my favorite time of the year. Super Bowl week and the trade deadline on Thursday. He said with just a slight touch of sarcasm. But yeah, it's been slow so far. The trade young thing is huge. The yana speculation is probably as much fun as half of the trades that we've had from the last couple of years. But let's at least spend a couple of minutes on Cleveland adding our guy Keon Ellis. So look, this is a win for Cleveland. And I'm going to give you a much of reasons why this is a win for Cleveland. He's 26. He shot it well. The previous two seasons 42 43% from three 37% this year. His minutes are declining. But that's what happens when you bring in Russell Westbrook. You have Zach Levine. You have to Rosen. You sign shruder who is also part of this deal going to Cleveland. So look, his Ellis is a guy that's it's likely taking five or six shots on average per game. But really it's his defense. It's his defense next to Donovan Mitchell. And that he's somebody that I think at least battles with bigger players. And you need something to kind of protect Mitchell. And that was kind of the idea at least defensively the best version of Cleveland with Garland and Mitchell in the back court. You go, all right, well, what are you giving up here? And Garland's a target to be hunted Mitchell with his strength. And I think a little bit more thickness in the wingspan. You'd hope he could battle a little bit more. But then you have two bigs that should clean up some of that stuff. And really the motivation behind the Hunter acquisition was Cleveland looking at the East last year, thinking about Boston winning a title in 24 and likely being one of the teams they would have to face. If they went deeper in the East, that's not the way it worked out. As we know, they looked at Hunter as, hey, this guy can shoot any six seven six eight. We at least have a body match. And that's something I said when the deal went down when I was in New Orleans Super Bowl week, talking about that trade being finalized. So really the focus here is on Ellis because one, I think it helps you defensively match up with whatever other guard is in there, even though Garland is now still day to day with this second toe injury. Mitchell's been on fire this whole time. But you know, the shooter part of it, I'll probably touch on the figures here a little bit. But I think the other most important thing was just getting Hunter off of this basketball team. I'll admit, I liked Deandre Hunter too long. My name's Ryan. Playing long trade young, I don't think that's a blast for another guy who should be developing on ball stuff that's just not going to happen. So that was an excuse that I could use for John Jay Hunter when he did get traded last year. You know, the contract was a four year $90 million deal at Landerer. He paid a year. Cleveland's going to pay half the year. There's still 25 million remaining that Sacramento is going to pay next year. We'll get to some of the figures here in a second. But even if you felt like, Hey, Hunter isn't really all that, like, there's these moments of like a Duncan traffic. There's a night where he's lightened up from three, he's competing defensively. And like, God, I think I just get that more often. Like, this guy's kind of worth it. Well, this year, his shooting splits are 42 overall and 31% from three. I don't know what happened. I mean, maybe it was him being demoted, but they were trying to send him to the bench or bring him off the bench to get him going with being like the main guy. Like, honestly, the best version of this should have been really easy for him. You're going to be the fourth option all the time behind Mitchell, but behind Garland behind Mowbly. But with all that attention, with even Mowbly off the ball, because he has to be off the ball. You're not going to necessarily like ask him to run pick and roll, but Mowbly's attention when he would have these cuts. There's a Celtics playoff series a couple years ago where Alan was out. Again, calves had no chance in that series because all the different injuries Mitchell was out, I think too. But they let kind of like Mowbly play the five and and be a bigger part of the offense. And some of the stuff that you would do with the attention that you'd bring into the paint as he would cut to the hoop. Again, Hunter was on that team, but this should have all been stuff in the fully formed version of the calves that should have made Deandre Hunter's life easy. And he was apparently miserable. There's a new rule that I'm going to have for myself. I'm going to be thinking about Deandre Hunter the next time I like one of these guys with these profiles. And look, this isn't like breaking news. Like I just stopped liking him today. He's a shy basketball player. I'm going to remind myself of that when I'm getting ready for the draft and when I'm I'm trying to figure out if guys are going to hit their potential. I'm just never going to forget the term shy basketball player. I haven't heard I just came up with it this morning and I was thinking about it because I was trying to figure out the best way to describe him. And maybe that seems a little shitty or unfair, but it feels accurate too because you know what? He on Ellis's he is not shy. He may not make a million shots. He may not score more than eight points, but you're going to feel him the entire game. And I think the calves need that. And on top of everything else, Dean Wade's better defender. He's better shooter. And yes, Dean Wade is actually a pretty good defensive player and check it out. Hunter had not been this year at all. So the calves save about $40 million on the luxury tax. The Ellis decisions come in this summer because he's unrestricted, but because they're so far over the other thresholds, this is actually a nice guy for them to be able to resign. Shooters 15 million next year, then $4.3 million is guaranteed to the $15 million deal in 2728. So there's another decision there. There's probably some moves for Cleveland who has the highest payroll in the league this year, like almost 230 million, but I'd have to look at the numbers again after this deal. Maybe it's in like the 220's. You know, maybe a move for them to get into the second apron. I don't know that many of you even care about this. On the other side of it, I mean, can you name the Kings forwards quick? I know you probably got one to Rosen. The other guy who's starting most of the time, precious at Shua. I did like precious at Shua for a little while. I still think he'd probably play in the league a long time just running around out there. But the on the ball stuff with precious, again, nobody was going to have him running their offense. But there was there was little signs of him before the draft. You're like, what if he rounds out some of this other stuff? Really, he's just a big energy guy. Hit some corner of threes even better. But you can now have Hunter play power forward next to Sabonis. This is a small basketball team. The Rosen small forward, Levine, and then Westbrook. I don't know what Sacramento is doing. The balance unit's charge part of it where they had to flip charge in this is a three team deal. They end up giving up second rounders to get up the charge money. So it's just a string of decisions here for Sacramento where I think there's some financial stuff. I think this makes them a tax team, but there's some financial stuff where you could argue, hey, well, we got off a shooter with the extra year. But now you're going to be paying 125 million. So the Kings have done an awesome job of cornering the market on some players that feel a little pricey that other teams aren't super interested in. Janice, ESPN did a cool thing where their guy Bobby marks where they went through a bunch of potential trades. They did it with like six different teams. And I'm not going to just read it verbatim because you go to ESPN and read that. But I just want to make sure I was referencing it here because it's a combination of a bunch of different things that we've heard. Then also them having fun on.com, getting creative, running it past Bobby. The way I see the Janice market and you know, I'm not a reporter. I do talk to a lot of people, but I know that I'm not and when I always wonder sometimes like if I'm getting the information of I'm getting at 48 hours later than it actually happened and it's already been put out, you know, but I'm just sharing with you because I think some of this is interesting. So it's more than a guess, but not presenting myself as like shoms over here, right? If you're trying to figure out, Mill Walker, I think we can all just as basketball fans are locked into this stuff, go, all right, well, what would make sense? The gold estate package, like you probably don't care about the players and Butler, Kaminga, although that hunter trade probably rules them out. Can you play geometry hunter and Jonathan Kaminga together? I like to put who knows who knows? So between Butler, who's her Kaminga, Pajemski, the four first from gold and state and the swap. And you'd be thinking of Janice went to gold and state with Curry. You're even though there's a 29 and a 30, like really even with the 26, I'm kind of like listening up the picture. You're probably thinking about what are these gold and state picks going to look like in 30, 32. Even if you're getting picks from 26 to year 2032, you're probably going, all right, what do we think the pick will look like in 2032? That's the real value, all right? So that's one part of this. The New York trade that I've seen that we even talked about were Portland would have to get involved. Do they like a player from the New York Knicks enough to feel better tomorrow than they do today? Short term, hey, we're in this playing thing. Can we get a little bit better with what we have? It may not be the best long term planning, but we haven't been good for a while. So let's just do something aggressive here. And if it means we're giving back swap rights to Milwaukee, we're not necessarily giving them the way they're picks. And they may not be motivated to tear this whole thing down unless they get these picks back. So it's not like we're giving up what could be awesome picks. May they still could be if this whole thing ends up as a disaster in Milwaukee. Does Milwaukee walk control of their picks more back than they want? Golden States picks north of the year 2029. And then you have the Miami part of this where before the deadline on Thursday, it's probably honest, built around some version of hero, machine gun hero, the Rozier contract, which apparently the ruling today was that he's going to get paid that money, but we're operating under the idea that it could be involved or included in something. I know there's also going to be a lot of people like hero played not that close from Milwaukee. Like I don't know, bucks fans are like we lost the honest, but hero went to high school 20 minutes away. I then clear where who's, you know, really nice interesting player who a local Miami reporter called him quote a blue chip talent. It was funny. I read blue chip talent and I knew exactly who the writer was and I clicked on the article and I guessed correctly. The clear aware is a nice player. I'd be interested in clear aware, but I mean VJ edge coma for talking like young guys, I don't even think Philly would necessarily do something like that. I don't know whatever. I mean, maybe if you're competing against everybody else, maybe Darryl Mori decides to kick in his 5% rule where the rule is if you have a 5% chance of winning an NBA championship based on a potential move running your models. Remember Darryl came on with us. We talked about the rockets and the worries. He's like, well, we have like a 57% chance of facing the Warriors in the West for promised playoffs. So yeah, like we'll be the team and do a lot of those things. That was actually quote. He said it because then Bob, I said it to Bob Myers and Bob Myers came on and laughed and was like, God, he's like Darryl. He thinks about all the different angles. So his rule was like, Hey, if if you have a 5% chance of winning an NBA championship based on a potential move, then you have to do that move. That's why I think the Anthony Davis thing could be in play here with some teams going, yeah, like we get it. We know all the flaws. We know about the future contract. A man, we know there's a bunch of reasons. This doesn't make it 10 a sense. But if we're not that broken up about what we're giving up and we look at the East going, Hey, this might be, this might be something we could do here. So it might be more about winning the East than it would be beating OKC out of the West. If it's OKC and not Denver, again, you know, Denver, just trying to get healthy, not quite there. OKC wins a terrific game last night. So as I'm kind of like talking about the Darryl rule and hey, if you have a chance, would you go ahead and take a swing at any of this stuff? I want to just kind of close it like, Hey, Miami could make their deal look a lot better in the summer because it wouldn't just be the players that I just listed and the 29 first and then a swap in 30 and then a 31 first. But they could wait until draft night and they could acquire the player that Miami would be slotted to take and then because the calendar starts up again, then another future pick could be available. So if you, if if you honest is like, Hey, I only want Miami or whatever, I think what you're trying to figure out here if you're the Bucks for an offices, do we like the high end version of what the Warriors picks are going to be in four years? Do I like Kaleleware better than any of the other players that are available? And that seems like we can't get anybody better than Kaleleware again, I like them, but, you know, do they care that much about controlling their own two swaps back from Portland or does it get real quiet the next couple days where they go? We'd rather all the Miami picks and a player more than all the golden state picks and a collection of players that we don't necessarily love unless they think there's a market for Butler to flip him next year for another first. So I can't wait, I can't wait to see what happens here. It was definitely dead on Yannis and then picked a momentum for what felt like a couple weeks. I have, I have no momentum read as of right now and obviously got super choked up because you know trade deadlines easy. Let's talk some football. This episode is brought to you by Raising Cains. 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Also make sure you subscribe, which I think I have two subscriptions to because I couldn't figure out how to log in again. The McShay report. We rope you in, man. I know. It's definitely I'm never going to cancel it even if I wanted to. But I would never want to because he's fresh off the senior bowl. He's got a ton of pods up, a ton of great video, and also the print stuff. Let's get into all this stuff. Let's start with the quarterbacks. I know it's fairly obvious. I want to do some of the senior bowl thoughts from you here. Mendoza going one overall. I think the best way to ask a question, if we go to that 24 class and then the 25 class, let's do the 24 one first. Where would Mendoza rank for you as a quarterback? Prospect in comparison to what those players. I haven't met four, but me and honest. It was really close between just coming out, not what we've seen obviously, but between Caleb and Jaden. Then Drake was a very clear cut just behind those two. But I would have Mendoza four. It doesn't sound really exciting, but you'd have him ahead of panics and McCarthy and Bonix. The tougher one is Cam Ward, honestly. Cam Ward's more talent. I think I trust Mendoza's game a little bit more in terms of where he is. He proved to me, coming from Cal last year, I saw him and watched his tape, and I was like, this guy has first round ability. But my gosh, he's got to be real dim. The turnover worthy plays, and some panics under pressure and turning the ball over, and even when he wasn't turning it over, he probably should have. Then to watch him with Kirk's dignity and that staff for a year, and they started, it was methodical, like RPOs. You're going to learn to play inside the structure of our offense. Then we'll let you loosen up the rain a little bit. That's what happened. You got to see as the season went on, and in tough moments on the road, Iowa, Oregon. They weren't great games from him, but in the biggest moments, and in the fourth quarter, he was outstanding. Penn State, same thing, without Sarat out there. But Omar Cooper was doing his thing and had the big catch at the end of the game. You saw in those big moments, the confidence kept growing. He developed into the player that he's become. For all the quirkiness and the interviews and all that stuff, he's a nerd. I love that. Tom Brady is a nerd. Peyton Manning's a nerd. Those guys are like, there's a trust level with Mendoza that he's going to do all the right things. He's going to mentally be able to pick up the things that you're looking for early in his career. He's going to have some bumps in the road. He's not going to be able to overcome certain things like Caleb can and Jaden can and Drake can and all that. But I think the biggest thing is, well, the Raiders actually get it right in terms of surrounding him. The coaching staff and putting him in a position early on where he's comfortable, will they protect him? Well, they obviously have their running back in Ashen Gentee, but will there be better weapons and allow him to distribute the way that he wasn't in the end of this year? Again, it'll take a year or two, but I really believe we'll look up in two, three years from now and say, yeah, he's one of the 15 best quarterbacks in the league and he's heading towards being maybe one of the top 10, top 12. I think he's got a chance to be that. You deserve credit at Mendoza because when you were doing his cow tape, I remember you talking about it. You mentioned it on the pod. And we were looking ahead of the college football season and you were like, man, I kind of, there's something about him. I kind of like him, clearly, Signeti and that staff saw the exact same thing. But I'm wondering the things that you liked, like how much more, like what happened as far as what you thought of him is like, hey, look out for this guy at Indiana versus now being the number one pick. Yeah, I think he went from like an exciting young puppy, you know, like kind of running around and fun and all that stuff to like, he's like, he's like a trusted dog on the porch and like, you can go out and hunt with him. It's one of my worst analogies of all time. But like, you know what I mean? Like, there was like a lot of exciting traits and he could become something to like, as this season progressed, you saw maturity in him. Decisions like, where his eyes were, trusting his reads, knowing when to take off and run or, you know, when he just wasn't there. And that was like, I'd love to sit down with some people and like, just watch the the cow tape with them and be like, everyone can see these tools. But my gosh, he makes me nervous as a play caller that if, if it's not there, what's going to happen? And then to see, like, signate, like, signate wouldn't let him come down to the manning passing account. It was interesting. Like Drew L are opted not for like three straight years apparently. Like, we come up with an excuse and didn't want to go down there. And some guys do that because they don't want, you know, they kind of the fear of, well, I just don't want to go down there. Maybe you get exposed for not being this, this, and this. Mendoza wanted to had been there the year before. Everyone there loved him. Handled it like a, you know, like a grown man and like called, called Archie and they did all the right things. But Kurt, just by, Kurt was, people were like calling Kurt, like, let him come down. It's a good opportunity. Kurt wanted him in the lab, man. And he knew what he had talent wise. And he knew it was such an upgrade over, over, uh, Rork from, a, Rork from the year before. But, but he also knew I've got a lot of work to do to make sure that he's doing the things that we need because this is good. It's one of the best coach, arguably the best coach football team in the land. And we saw what, you know, the ultimate result. But they knew that they had to get him living it, breathing it, thinking it like he had to be in that system at all, like 24, seven. And you saw what it did for. And I'm just, yeah, I didn't think he was going to be ready at the end of this year. And even halfway through the year, I was like, yeah, I still think he needs another year. And then by like Ohio State at the end of that game, I was like, all right, all in. The funny part was I was the first to, first to market with Mendoza. I'm not going to afraid to admit it. But I also was one of the last ones to go all in on him because every bench calls it the, the Twitter mafia, you know, like everyone in the NFL, Twitter draft mafia, they all want to be the first one there. Everyone's racing. I had him back in June. No, I had him two years ago when he wasn't even playing. I wasn't ready to go all in until I saw him against that defense in that stage in Indiana against Ohio State. The big, like, and when he did it in that and then late in the game, that throw down the right rail to Becker, I think it was. Those are the moments that kind of define quarterbacks that you get to see. Do they have it or do they not? And he just kept answering that bell. Yeah, considering down a distance for that shot too, like you're going, that's, that's what you're going with. Like that looks like a 10 year NFL fence, right? To be like, hey, I don't care. Like sometimes you'll look at some of the great NFL guys and it's third and fourth, you know, like you couldn't find some sort of crosser underneath. And it's like, no, I got one on one with my guy on the outside. And I don't care like I'm going to the end zone. I thought that Becker throw and, and look, there's just, there's not much from this year, but I'm glad how you kind of put it in perspective because I don't know that anybody would be like, hey, he'd be number one in the 24 class just from a tool standpoint of the three guys that you would still have ahead of him. If we pivot this to the rest of the quarterback, needy teams, you know, the Jetsit 2, Arizona 3, Cleveland 6, Miami 11, it doesn't seem like there's any team that could get creative. Like what would you do if you were GM one of these teams that needs a quarterback, but you have a pick this high? The first thing I'm doing is I'm trying to trade back and I don't know how good that market's going to be this year. Go ahead because everyone wants to trade back. Yeah, everyone wants to trade. Everyone who has a quarterback need and recognizes the fact that you can't address it with one of these draft picks and we're probably going to have to bring it a veteran or take a shot at Tyson Simpson later. Everyone is looking around saying, how do I manage this? It's not a one year get it fixed deal. It's a two year process and my best shot is get more draft capital than 2027. I mean, we do this all the time, but I promise you, 2027s, if it's not the best it'll go down as one of the two or three best quarterback drafts and maybe overall drafts. Certainly in my time doing this, but I think probably in the common draft error that goes back to what the 60s. The names are, and I'm not going to mention all of them, but like from arch to to Dante Moore to Lenora Sellers to Brandon Sorsby, I think a lot of people are sleeping on to to CJ Carr to my my Eva the quarterback USC. Like there's there's a chance we could we had six and 12 picks in 2024. There could be eight first rounders next year. It's that loaded. So not only do I want to plan on drafting one in 2027, I'd like to have the capital move up to be able to choose. Maybe I don't get arched, but and maybe I don't get Dante, but I'd like to be able to choose from the others. That would be my first, you know, mission in this year's draft is to try to trade back so that I can get some more capital next year. It's that important. Otherwise, it's I'm not going to fool around. And this if I'm here's the deal. Ty Simpson goes to one of those teams you just mentioned, like the Jets, like forget it Arizona forget it Miami forget it. What do you mean? Like it's just not going to work at you? You're just determined. It's not going to it's not going to how many times an inexperienced quarterback going to the New York Jets. I mean, how many Mark Sanchez's and and and Sam Darnel experiments at Zach Wilson and Gino Smith, like it's just it's not going to work that owner that organization. No chance. Cleveland, well, they have to take one at some point. So I mean, you can be right out of 2027. You can take I'm talking about the first round. So if I'm the Jets, like how about we just try to get our our build around that position before we get to 2027. Don't don't even utilize the second round pick on a quarterback. Honestly, what are we bringing him in? Do you watch the Jets the end of last year? Not a ton out. Honestly. Right. Yeah. There wasn't much that you missed. So my point is now if Ty Simpson goes to the Rams in 13 sounds rich right now, we'll see about in April. Can I just jump in real quick? Because you said something in the last episode of the Mixet Show where it was like, Hey, Rams Simpson. It was it was something where I'm like prepping for the I was like, whoa, that seemed that seemed specific. File it, man. Think about Sean McVeigh and what he's looking for, right? And he didn't want even he wanted what did he what do you call it? He wants a like a partnership partner. Yeah, that's a Stafford thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so Jared golf like he's gone on to have a great career, but he like he wanted a veteran that he could talk at the same level with, right? Now Ty's Ty's dad's a head coach and and he's been in ball his whole life. And so like as far as rookies go, Ty and Nussmeyer are two guys that make sense because they're so far advanced mentally and with the language and the anticipation and understanding and being able to pick things up than most quarterbacks coming out in the draft. So I think Ty Simpson makes too much sense to the Rams. And I think if you're less need with Sean McVeigh, you're looking at that and saying a little bit like the Giants this year, like we got a draft Abdul at three, but I still want Jackson dart a lot. And there's not it's not an exact parallel, but there's a player at 13 that we really want. And so maybe at 29, we take Ty Simpson if he's still there. But as we get closer to the draft with no other quarterbacks, history tells you Ty Simpson's going to go from a top 40 prospect to he's going in the first round, but where is is my guess? And you watched the first nine games of Ty Simpson this past year before you got banged up. Ty Simpson still isn't throwing a football right now. He's so beat up from this past year. Protection got figured out. Too many hits. Started to force things was like just no run game at all. And so there's a lot to work with with Ty Simpson. He's not the biggest. He's got a good arm, not a lead. He's got some of them with better mobility and people want to give him credit, but he's not an elite runner. But in terms of the anticipation, getting the ball out accuracy, he's in even the offense last year, they were doing a lot of NFL things. So I think McVay with Stafford for another year, being able to work with him and get Ty Simpson maybe ready for 2027, something like that. That's a plan that I could wrap my head around. So I'm not going to get off of that unless I talk to less and he's like, we just stop. It's not happening. Yeah, because it was it was something. Yeah, I was thinking about it after you had said it. And then you think about the trade they make last year with Atlanta. That's why I have the pick and maybe some front offices go, Hey, it's almost like a free pick. So like why not do this? But then I think that's stupid because it's like, no, it's a real pick. That's your pick. You have it in the first right. Doesn't mean you just like, it's not a $50 chip on the way out of checking out the hotel. This is gravy. Yeah. But it definitely made me think about it because I think there's so much more to like about Simpson from the tape this year. Again, confessing that I'm not nearly as close to you are and studying. But there's I watch a lot of those games and there's some throws in the Missouri game where I'm like, all right, this guy's nasty. And he's tough as hell. Even after the Florida State asked kicking my favorite part from the Alabama standpoint because it wasn't really much else to pick from is that that guy was sitting there looking like he wanted to maybe retire because of how bad that game went. And yet he was just coming right back out there to fight every single time. They could not run the football. He took a beating all season long. They ran like 114th or something in the nation in Russia. I can't imagine Alabama ever having a team that's that bad at running the football. And then you look at like, all right, well, this tackles and NFL prospect. And this guy's I'm talking to Tyson Simpson games like two through nine was the best quarterback in college football was the best quarterback prospect. I thought he was terrific. So just because at the end of the year, it doesn't go well or you think, oh, he's getting sped up. And it's like, no shit, he's getting sped up. Like are you I just watch Garrett Nussmeyer the senior ball too. All right. Let's talk about him miserable year this past year. You know, they talked about like knee tendonitis coming into the year. Was that a factor? Saw some of that on tape didn't seem like the same guy for like five, six weeks. No, there was the abdominal injury too. And then they ran like some deep throw like pull this up when you're doing this because it was an unbelievably revealing stat on who Nussmeyer was in 24 and 25. But on deep balls, he's one of the best throws in 25 like a completely different guy. And if you watch that old mistate, yeah, like it's hard. I certainly wasn't like, you know, come into tears. But it's I don't know that I've ever felt worse for a player watching being like, oh, like who who's who's in charge of protecting Garrett from Garrett? Who is in charge in that in that program that is going to look a young man in the eyes and say, you know what, like don't you're not allowed to go up there. He couldn't throw the football at like it all. And then you talked to him this week in in mobile and he's this past week and he's talking about how he had kind of like teach himself the wrong ways to throw the ball so that it didn't hurt his the oblique. And he got into bad habits. And then someone in the oblique started to feel a little bit better. He still he had to like go he got cleared to throw at the senior bully a week or two before and was just working on like getting back to his old habits of throwing the ball. So he's been through a lot man. He's been through a lot. And but I guess my point was for all those people were like, well, is it is Tyson Simpson Tyson Simpson from the first nine games or is he the guy at the end of the year? I just watched Nuss Meyer from 2024 all the good stuff. It doesn't go away. It's just when you're injured and you got no run game and the protections not there, find me a quarterback that can overcome all those things. And so it was a good reminder of Nuss Meyer still that guy from 2024 it's just he's healthy now. His confidence is back his mechanics are back and he's not getting hit every time he drops back. And I think it's going to be the same thing with Tyson Simpson. They're both undersized guys. They're both guys that were playing in the SEC. They're both guys that didn't have good protection had miserable run games. And it took too much of a toll on them. And so I'm not saying either of them's going to go on to do what Drake May is doing. But I am saying they're both capable of being good starters in the NFL if put in the right system. And I'm looking at the Rams and picks 13 and 30. And I'm saying I can't think of a better situation for Tyson Simpson or Nuss Meyer if they want up in the second round. For for a young quarterback to go to learn, you know, like my homes had Alex Smith to sit behind staffer with no threat of taking his job like the Aaron Rogers stuff and to sit back and learn around an offensive coach who is like among the best in the NFL at doing it. And in 2027 let's see where this thing is. I'm glad you brought up the Nuss Meyer 2425 thing because you know, my whole thing on it is this is playing out with a week QB class. I'm like, you know, if you get him in the second or third round and he's not coming in to be the savior, you know, if he were clean and had a really good statistical season, he's going in the top 10 because of the physical part of it, the mental part of it. And my favorite thing with him too is I know he can get real loose with the football and that's something that has to be rained in a little bit. But at least like as far as college offenses go third and seventh, third and eight, he's going to try. He's actually going to try to get you the first down. And I know there's a few disaster schemes in there. We're like, you've got to you've got to rain it in here a little bit. But there's just so many quarterbacks that get so frustrated with watching on Saturdays where I'm like, oh, third and eight. All right, we're going to throw it to the line of scrimmage and hey, can you beat four tackles? And it's like, no, you can't. And then the guy may have like really clean efficiency stats and all that kind of stuff. And it's like, yeah, but I'm third and long. I don't know that you're really playing the position and that, that to me has always been, that's when I can figure out whether or not you can play that position. So I'm wondering if there's like a really happy ending with a Nussmire story in that he goes later. There's no expectations. He maybe sits for a little bit, but then you're bringing in somebody who's not as raw as some of these other guys. And I'm glad you brought up, as I said, the 2425 thing in reference to May, because Drake May after the 24 season, well, actually after the 23 season, a lot of guys that I like and guys that you like, you know, I think as nasty as Drake May. So like, there was a year on his resume where then he goes back the next year and you can blame it on personnel and the lack of receivers. And I think those are all really fair things. It was a different set of circumstances than saying that's my maybe a little bit more like Ty Simpson, but not in the receiver game, O line for BAM on that one. But I wonder when you're evaluating somebody and you go, man, the last year sucked, but look at that year. And that's what May is. And maybe why if you watched him that season with UNC as opposed to his final season, I mean, even this is ridiculous. This guy's playing in a Super Bowl, but it makes a little bit more sense when you think about him in 23. Yeah, there's so much that goes into it. And the intelligent evaluators are the ones that keep that have context, right? And keep perspective. And like Derek Stingley is an example that you mailed it in his final year. Didn't want to play much. Like the tape wasn't the same. And when and then he like just shut it down. And it's like, wait, is that is that the guy we're getting is is he's just a dog is and then look at what he's done in the NFL. To me, it's you don't excuse away the bad year or the sitting out game or whatever it is. But you always have to figure out the why, right? And then you always have to look at what can he be? I don't care if it's two years ago, whatever it is, what's the best of and let's look at that. And then let's figure out why it wasn't always the best of. And if those reasons aren't that he's just a horrible human being or he just quit loving football or like something that's outrageous, you're probably going to get the player that was the best of when he gets to the NFL. And the motivation to to go out and and be that player again and the circumstances are typically a little bit better or more evened out. I just watched TJ Parker from from Clemson. He's a top 10 prospect on my board coming into the year. Absolutely phenomenal. 11 sacks, power player, long arms, just walking over guys in 2024. This year, I don't know what the hell happened to Clemson man. You got Peter Woods, a defensive tackle, TJ Parker defensive end, you get all that talent back there, avian Tarellet corner. None of them played to the level. So it's it's figuring out what happened this past year. But also I just watched the senior bowl of TJ Parker was one of the best four or five players there. Now all of a sudden it went from he's a top 10 pick coming in the season two by the end of the year. It's like, I don't know. I don't want them. Something's wrong. To now after a week in mobile, apples to apples, comparisons watching them one on one is watching them in team. It's like, oh, that's the first round or again. This guy can play his, he's built for the NFL. So there's a lot of that going on in all different positions. But yeah, the quarterback, there's just a lot of factors. Anything else from the senior bowl. This guy's that stood out or you maybe change your mind on which Malachi feels, man. Malachi feels has what 36 catches at wide receiver for Notre Dame this past year in 12 games. And you just like, I see where he's a big guy. You could get some some vertical stuff with him, contested all that stuff. Then I go down to the senior bowl, I'm like, oh, wait, he's tempo in his routes like a pro. He's like, he's really good at adjusting. He had the best, he had the play of the week. I was standing like probably four yards behind tailing green who just up-chucked the pass after probably, you know, he had like a 10 yard outlet throw, could have picked up a first down, decided to look back and just hooked it. The ball came out of his hand and I was like, oh, man, he blew it because feels kind of had a step on the DB through a back like 10 yards over the middle of the field and fields all of a sudden like, will he maize just and goes and tracks it down? That's the best of, right? I'm seeing he does Malachi feels does something different than all these other cats here at the senior bowl at wide receiver. But then I'm watching him the routes and he's he's savvy. He's tempo, he's smooth. He's in and out of breaks. This wide receiver class, I didn't know it was going to be that great coming in the air. Now all of a sudden we've got, um, McIleman who had a monster year for USC. I just love his game. I think, you know, some people are saying like, I'm on Ra, the same brown or whatever. He's tough. He's physical. He's not the biggest guy, but he's just is productive. Then you've got, you get some bigger guys, Karen Elte, from Ohio State had a huge year. After an okay 24, he had a monster season this year, especially before the injury. Then you've got Jordan Tyson from Arizona States had some durability stuff, but he is the smooth, big, thick athlete, Denzel Boston, another six foot four receivers. I'm massive. And then Malachi feels you've got all these other guys like Zachariah Brant from Georgia, Casey Concepcion, Texas A&M, Antonio Williams from Clemson, uh, Jeremy Bernard from Alabama, all kind of smaller slots or Zs. But Malachi fields with the week he put on his senior bowl, I think maybe could be the fifth or sixth receiver off the board. I think he could be a starting X in the league. This year's wide receiver class is loaded. The other position is edge and we talked to you about Parker, but Zion Young from Missouri and Derek Moore from Michigan had similar weeks in terms of how consistently disruptive and productive and dominant that they were. And that's a class that has David Bailey from Texas Tech, Bane and Messador from Miami, uh, Keldrick Falk, who's only 20 years old, but 67, 267 pounds. Like there's just a lot of edge defenders and a lot of wide receivers and those guys come off the board fast because of the position, um, the importance of those positions. Tasty trade has a suite of probability tools so you can make smarter picks for your portfolio, though it can't help you fill out your NCAA bracket. You can trade stocks, options, futures, and more all in one platform. Tasty trade offers low commissions, including zero commission on stocks, so you can keep more of what you earn. 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And it didn't work out because there's James Weisman, but maybe nine to two is not necessarily the same, but you're getting a ninth pick in a stretch where you would just never expect that, um, with having the home's healthy for an entire year, right? And so you can look at what they've tried to do at receiver and they've tried like it looked like they hit on rice than rice is a disaster. He might be talented enough to be a number one, but we'll see. The worthy thing, I think a lot of college fans, I'll just never forget even texting you with that first night and like, I can't believe they ended up with this guy in the trade and you're like, yeah, but he's not really like complete in the way that everybody's kind of assuming here. And again, I think the results are exactly what people have watched him a lot or people that evaluate him like there's a reason why he's going this late, considering how fast and how gifted he is because he's just, so then, you know, sky more like they just haven't gotten the receiver thing right necessarily and you're going, you know, can't you get back to the mahalm stuff, some of the deep shot stuff, like can't you figure this out? And it looks like if you're nine, Kate's going to be gone by then. And with the NFL, having way more of a tendency to draft based on need, there's just, you're going to have to start thinking about guys later on, like I don't think you can get cute if you're Kansas City. But then when I look at the names that could be in that range where I want to spend a little time on Caleb Downs, maybe he's gone by nine. Jeremiah love could be in that spot, Bailey could be in that spot from Texas Tech, Montsor from LSU, who I thought was one of the few bright spots. He stood out the entire time when you watch LSU play on defense. He was awesome at corner. I don't, again, this isn't about Kansas City getting cute and trying to use the ninth pick to find a way to solve the receiver thing. They're going to based on the depth you talk about, probably try to figure it out later in the rounds. But in that range, like do you just go, hey, I like, I like Jeremiah love with them way more as an offensive weapon or just add to this defense knowing that you're getting a really special prospect probably higher than you would ever expect based on what you normally think where the chiefs are going to draw. Yeah, it's a unique opportunity, right? And certainly the splash would be if Jeremiah love is there the way he gets me excited just to be like, hey, figure out a way to make it work because he might be the best player in college football. I mean, there are some teams that I've talked to like they have the highest grade in the class on him. Yeah, that would make sense to me. And it's a weird class because a running back and off the ball linebacker and a safety, the highest grades with a R. Vell recent and downs, as you mentioned, Jeremiah loves the one that I kind of can't get out of my head. But if we move past that, I do want to spend more time on it. I don't mind if you do because I get getting just about the idea. Couldn't you just imagine it like sit back, right? Right. I'd say in the back, feel like carrying the low, but also like the way they like to utilize and the way he catches the ball and those long strides when he gets going in the speed and think about that long touchdown run in the college football playoff of 2024 or 25 season. I don't know, man. I feel like they haven't gotten that position right in a minute either. So that would be intriguing, really intrigued. But beyond that, I kind of feel like don't you want to, the edge would make a lot of sense that David David Bailey's there. I don't know that he's going to be there. If he's there at nine, I mean, all you have to watch is the Oregon tape. It gets ridiculous. Yeah. He's not going to be there at nine. No. And then the rest of the guys are really good, but I don't know that you're you're like blowing away, but like, Bane is really good. But I don't and yeah, he could go and probably will go in the top 10. But I think with that pick, I could see them going offensive line, quite honestly. Like and just bringing in another and trying to protect my homes coming off of the injury, got to be more balanced, got to be able to protect better, whether it's a a fauna or or Maui Noah from from Utah Miami respectively. But I can't get off the Jeremiah love thing. And those other receivers like Jordan Tyson would make a lot of sense. Mackay Lemon would, but he's not going to wow you, but wouldn't it be nice? When's the last time they got someone who's reliable? That's what I think about with Jeremy. I've already brought it up to you, but he's he is my, well, I don't know if I say he's my favorite receiver because I understand like the high end comps that we're talking about with these other guys and Tyson clearly, like if he was healthy, we would probably be talking him about the number two receiver in this class after Tate. I don't know if you'd agree or disagree on that one, but Jeremy's going to be a really good NFL player for 10 years. Yes, there's just draft him in the second round. You you utilize him as like a slot in Z. And he's just he's just going to be really he's going to be like 60 70 catches average like I don't know, some 10 to 12 per catch. Maybe like nine 10, you know, like, but he's just going to be really good. I I love I love Jeremy. If you're talking reliable, like that's the first thing you're saying about him in the room. Like if everybody's arguing like what do we need? What do we need reliable? Trust him. That's that's who he is. But again, if you're talking about Kansas City later on, it's like we might need that game changer. And even if they feel like they've whipped on that in the past that were these just not going to be enough of an option Sky Mord and worked out all this different stuff. It doesn't mean now you shift. You don't start saying like, hey, let's get lower ceiling receivers in here. But between the old line issues, even though they've they've invested so many resources to the old line, you wonder if they go, hey, we just need a kind of a reset year at all line. But I don't know if anyone's going to fall to them at nine that makes a ton of sense. And then it's the Caleb thing because I was talking with somebody about Caleb. And we were going through it. It's like man, like the Nick Eman-Worry love that we had for him last year and to see him play like this. And then you go, okay, those measureables all the tape. And then he runs in the four threes. Like how does he actually go late? And then it's just so many teams still can't get past the idea of like I can't take a safety that high. But when you look at some of these defenses that we love over the last. But if he doesn't go to Mike McDonald's in Seattle, I don't he doesn't have the year. Like we all said before the like in March. If he goes somewhere else, it might not be that great. But he was always if he gets with Mike McDonald the way they utilize their states, like it's a perfect fit. But yeah, go on. So no, all right, but that's good because I'm glad you said that. Do you look at Caleb down? So remember when he was a freshman at Bama, the word was saving was saying he's the single best football player that we have on this team. Okay. And he was at Ohio State last year with eight first eight draft picks on that defense. And he was again this year, believe it or not, even with Arville restealing all the thunder and sunny style. Okay. He still was the best player. All right. Still the best player because a lot of people would say that yeah, well, our our Val had surpassed him with the, you know, having the belt of the single best player on the team. You think Caleb's still the best player on that Ohio State team. He's I didn't see and even go go look at some of the like the PFF numbers or where you sound like you've been ready for this like, oh, I'm ready to do the Caleb down thing for Caleb down thing for the next couple months. I think we get draft fatigue a lot because like 2024's again, we get all these really good players for Ohio State, but the guy who can't be drafted is he's the best. But then this year there was like, there was this new shiny toy. And and he was awesome. Like, our Val Reese is going to get drafted higher than than down. I get it and I get the the 64245 and I get the length and I get the edge rushing capability all of it. But downs, downs was literally the same exact player. He didn't have, he didn't take a step back. He wasn't just okay. He was awesome this year. He is, he's the, he's like, it's two steps on everybody in terms of his reads, his instincts. He's around the ball. You can utilize them in all these different ways. He's not going to work out like him and war. He's not going to like, he's, he's average size by NFL standards. He's probably, you know, he's going to probably pass on running at the combine. He'll run at the Ohio State, which is we all joke like 39 yards downhill. So everyone gets like a 4-3 or low 4-4. So his 40 will wind up being pretty good. But he's not like, he's not going to blow you away with any of that. But he's going to step on the field for if it's a defense like the chiefs where there is pressure up front and like, he can be utilized as a piece. He's going to become, he might be defensive rookie of the year. If he lands on that chief's defense, he can be defensive rookie of the year next year. He can be that impact. Yeah, because I love him. I love him. And, you know, he's not going to get his name called during the broadcast. Jeremiah love could be offensive rookie of the year and that offense too. Yeah. Well, I guess Montsoor at least will be there, right? If they want to go corner, I didn't expect to spend that much time. But I was really, we were talking about the other guys as opposed to just the chiefs part of it. Yeah. This is pivoting off of the Montsoor part of it. It's something I was texting you about a little bit. As we've seen the SEC go through by their standards, a disappointing stretch of multiple seasons now, where I feel like the conversation becomes a lot more fair of like where are they? Where are they? Like, what is their standing in college football as the big 10 wins three straight titles, three different teams here? And so then it's like, okay, the people that hated the SEC, they'd be like, oh, well, you had all these draft, you know, like when they were rolling and they were clearly the best conference. And then I would point to the draft stuff. I'd be like, okay, like, what are we, what are we talking about? Like, why would anyone know and would ever argue this the other way around? And then I started looking at a bunch of the different mocks. And I was looking at some of the rank. I was like, oh, like, this could be a really weird year for the SEC in the first round. And more importantly, like in the top 10. So I know you haven't mocked it out. I know you haven't. You texted me and we're like, how many guys you have from the SEC? What was like top 10 or first round? Yeah. So how many? And I hadn't, I hadn't thought of it like that. Yeah. And I started looking down my list. I was like, oh, shoot. Yeah. I was like, and before you didn't ask me what where you were going with it. I was like, I know where you're going with this, huh? Let me go through. I just did an updated top 20. Okay. Mendoza Reese Jeremiah Love David Bailey Caleb Downs, McCoy lemon, Carnell Tate, Francis Maui Noah, Jordan Tyson, Rubin Bane, or the top 10. Wow. You have lemon that high. I love lemon. Oh my God. All right. So that's why you didn't say anything and reference to my Tyson point. All right. I'll have to adjust. I love it. I love it. I love to mature to lean is the top SEC prospect and he's at 12. And then your mod McCoy and other cornerback from Tennessee is at 17. So that's two in your top 20? I think so. That's wild. Yeah. Now look, it's just, it's going to make me sound like you can also make the point. It's like, okay, well, it's this guy. I'm just saying I think the interesting thing is going to be if this ends up happening, there'll probably be four or five that go in the top 20 because I'm starting to see like more guys back end it and some of the other stuff that I'm looking at. But there was there was a stretch there for about a month where I was looking at everybody's different mocks. I was like five SEC players in the first round six. That's like that's it. Yeah. This will be the worst SEC year in like a decade or maybe more. Yeah. Right. Because then that will pivot into not just the results on the field. Look at this talent drain. Also conveniently for getting like what the 27 draft looks like it's going to be. But it would have to be much like the results in the field of continuing trend for this to become like, I'm just basically telling the audience along with you, like get ready for April because if that happens, like big 10 fans are just going to be like, oh, here we go. And there you go. Yeah. And then like the big 10s cut into it the last couple of years, but it's still been like significant. The difference. Yeah. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they. It was the big during the peak. It was ridiculous. It was like two to one. Like whoever drafted players, it would be like, oh, 23 from this conference and it'd be like, oh, 46 from the SEC. So granted with the expansion of the conferences in general, like the numbers can still be pretty ridiculous for both the big 10 and the SEC. But I just think that's going to be a thing that comes up that also, I don't know if it'll mean, oh, well, look at the results. Here's the issue. Yeah, when you start stacking three straight national champions and then for the first time ever, and since it's been a thing, the big 10 has significantly more or like higher level draft picks, that argument that the SEC is the best conference makes it becomes a lot trickier, a lot more complicated, you know? And I'm the leader of like the SEC because I've been doing this 25 years and it's always been the SEC's more talent. Even in a year where they maybe didn't win the national championship, like yeah, but like, right, I didn't go on down 25 week out. National championships, like I don't know that that was ever the standard. We're agreeing. I'm just adding. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is concerning if you're an SEC fan. There's no question. I just wanted to plant that seed with you. I brought up with the end of Jeremiah as well. So look, thank you so much for the time. Make sure you check out. You got going on out there. You're never you never go anywhere without without stuff going on. I'm not, do you think I wasn't going to start asking some questions at the end? You got to interview me. Now I get to interview you a little bit. The NBA trade deadline has killed your boy the last few years. So normally I'm just in a room for like the NBA trade deadlines three o'clock eastern time on Thursday. Yeah, it feels like the same whining that was going on on day three that draft out Manhattan Beach and you're like, you know, I've got playoff basketball and I like enjoy your like take advantage. You're there. I'm sure you have all these marketing things lined up. I'm sure you're going to four parties a night. I'm not going to a ton of parties. Somebody was asking me like, what do you get lined up? I'm going to the Warriors Tuesday. I may have one pop in party thing, but if it's the night before the trade deadline, it's not going to be like the old South Beach days. You know, so it's just a new thing with like like cowherd you would always have like someone who wasn't on the show, but like in the room is that I don't know if people can see. I'm sure you're guessing it's a really good thing to come to you. Yeah, when you complain about my whining nephew Kyle and Saruti, like we're holding back hard laughter because they like seeing you give me the business in a way that not that many people do. So they appreciate it that. Yeah, I think that's that's part of my role and the sole thing. And I promise you, I don't care. I don't care how many people yell at me or what happens. I'm still coming to your house on the third day of the NFL draft and I'm bringing a camera crew with me. And I know that's not like what people want to hear. And I'm sure there are executives on both sides that don't want to hear that. But there will still be there will still be a problem there in the third day. I did. I did have a tough one with that because I agreed to it because I've year my guy. I was like, whatever you want. If you want to come to the house and you were like, this is what we're doing. We're coming to your house. The whole setup cameras. And then Saruti was like, why did you agree to this? And I go, well, because McChase, my guy and you're like, idiot, it's NBA playoffs. And I went, oh, I'm like, that's good for you. That's good for you. It's good for you to realize that you can kind of manage all these things at once. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's you, you were good for me. So Saruti, when you hear of complaining that it's the trade deadline and he doesn't want to go to some party or is returning down this opportunity that's affecting you. Now you can remind them that we had this conversation. Hey, look, I, you know, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to come around the old chicken coop somehow. There'll be some, I know you do. There'll be some little thing lined up. You'll be calling me on Monday with some story about some agent or some prospect or something. I'm certain of it. All right. Well, I'll try to, I'll try to deliver you another story like I always could. You're the man again, check out the McChase report. Please subscribe to my guy's stuff and download, subscribe. He showed the McChase show on ringer Spotify. Thanks, man. All right, brother. Anytime the crew gets together, one thing's guaranteed. Somebody's hungry, but you can't feed your friends just any pizza. Get the pizza. The big New Yorker for just 10 bucks. 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Yeah, but I've got some granite tied in the reason I always think about granite with you, not just because you were a quarterback there and you were terrific, but it's that, although I guess some of the stats you've argued in the past, you were more of a one-threat running quarterback. My brothers played right after me. They had all the school records. They're like, who's my older brother, socks? But there was a, well, he's still a friend. His name's Rob Slokum. And he's from granite. He played it. Grenite. All right. And a great football tougher than people realize. That's what we're talking about. It's not just Brunswick kids down there in the Fairfield County. There's, there's, there's, there's hurry. You know, yeah. Call a great color tough guys. So we were a 1994. I remember we were watching a game. You were playing in it and we were betting on like every play. Hey, run past first down, not a first down. You know, it just be like two bucks, third and seventh. Somebody in the room, We just go I got two bucks on a first down and so you guys before your time Yeah, right. Yeah, we were doing Prop bets before we're really taking up. Were you going to highlight as well? No, unfortunately We're on Don for that We give a little call up it from mom Yeah, that's right. They can indicate had big highlight stuff. That's right. I forget about that So one of the guys Rob goes five bucks Frank Gifert says Brennich and I go come on I'm like that's ridiculous like you don't even want a lot every time right and so I'm like Done and like guys are just throwing fives on the table and in Frank Gifert's like Steve young Greenwich high school And he goes Frank Gifert says it every time Steve young plays and he killed us He won a huge pot up for that. Yeah, and I had an all my friends When they go you know back to New York offices or about you know anytime they're around New York I mean the league people they'd all say they're from Greenwich and they're like Steve How come you know everybody in the NFL office was because that's where I grew up and they go I thought you're you rich, you know, I'm like, well, not really and then they started to learn about friends like Oh, you lie in batch and you you want rich and I'm like no, no, I barely there's mean streets of Greenwich I barely got out I kept saying that like it's I I fought my way out of Greenwich barely got out and people That laugh about it, but you know Greenwich has its own image. That's for sure. Yeah, well look when I introduced myself and tell people from Martha's vineyard It's a little sliver of a child Your way out of there. So I was like barely made it Yeah, I was reading I think in the time I mean it's been such a long time since I talked to you I read the USFL book that Jeff Proman did great. He did a great job. It is he captured it. It's incredible. It's nuts Every chapter of the family, but it's but the football yeah, because I you know look I can I can say I played call big you know not be always not big-time college I played got solid dog football. I played in USFL and then I played in the NFL so I can have context USFL football Very good football in fact it was better football than when I went to the Buckingeers So then people don't realize you as a fellow that was a joke It was real and it was set they had they had 50,000 people at games in Tampa 50,000 in Jacksonville like it was a League was gonna make it and then we just they screwed it up, but it was a it was all that for a couple years The league was NFL was like who we are what are we gonna do here and then I just collapse And I think part of the lesson in that too is that you get guys with money or some without money with the LA Express You you could just see it happening human nature was kicking in it's like we had all these guardrails set up in the early years The USFL. Let's not overextend ourselves financially, but let's not go to let's not go to the fall Right, let's stay in the spring like that that was the big thing that killed them and but you could just tell like all right Wait a minute. I can go sign this guy for this and so What went into your decision and I know you've talked about just love your kind of background because you get to be why you and it's like oh Everybody doubts me then you get to the USFL and it's like well I understand the contract part of it instead of being in your 20s and get paid that kind of money Or at least guaranteed on paper, but like that's that's gonna be something about you that you wanted to do something different So Sam Weiss the head coach the Cincinnati Bengals came out to be why you had the first draft pick we're gonna take you And I'm like I'm not offended by that. I'm that's amazing right but the truth the matter is then don claustron who had run the Rams for many years and very famously around that Where in the the Rams and John Hedel who was a quarterback for the San Diego Charger for many years and Sid Gilman Who had coached the charges really kind of forward the at the time he was about 80 years old But he was kind of guru of the forward pass and the league and I was like so although so All pro quarterbacks guy ran the Rams live in Manhattan Beach and then they've draught They said we signed Gary Zimmerman who is the all you know the all American tackle it organ who ended up in the pro football all the fame And there was like young guys we had everyone was 22 23 years old and they're all great players. That's how I was like Uh, I could go to I could go to Cincinnati and I don't know how that's gonna play out And or I could go to this situation. So it's like I I jumped at it Reggie White and I talked about it at length because he went to And he wore buddies out of some of the all-star games and and and we both he went to the Memphis showboats And I went to LA Express and we just felt like we're we want to go play good football But wanted to play like exciting and in places that resonated with us and not get stuck And then we all said well, and then if something goes haywire will come out as free agents in the NFL And that was a great plan until the NFL players association screwed us all and Created a new they allowed because they could have said no these guys are coming in as free agents They allowed a supplemental draft and that's how I end up the first draft pick of Tampa Bay Uh, and that was not part of the plan. That was not like the But but we were gonna look out for you right There was at a time when Like There were like personal walking went to you. So like us up L was an option And because it was presented to me in a way that really I learned to play quarterback At the US at the LA Express. Sid Gilman taught me how to play quarterback. He prepared me for bill walls He prepared me for the pro game Um, and I'm grateful for that And so I mean, I don't know if I would have gone to Cincinnati. I don't know what have happened Boomer Sison was super mad at me because then he ended up going in the second round there And now he's never forgiven me because he said I was The Bermuda triangle of the NFL there the jets and you I wonder the end and they go used to I don't know So Boomer's very upset with me, but but I I don't regret that decision. It was it was It was a mess at the end Uh, we were practicing and news helicopters came down and landed on the field and came running out there The US of hell is folded. How do you feel? We're like practicing like oh, I don't know how to think I was like it was a crazy time Didn't the first owner falsify all his financials and then he get replaced with a next owner who did the league took it over So the first owner I missed the well, then maybe that was I maybe I ran the second on the second owner Uh, yeah was was in jail Maybe within a year to uh Bill Oldenburg But when he was when he was recruiting me he I am his private jet with his one it was uh one of those uh I the cloud Uh one of those Rolls Royce like Fan out with a phantom cloud like rolling into the city saying he was in San Francisco First time I've ever been there off his private jet and this thing go to the trans-america building the top floor And they're like hey, Steve Young, he's like his birthday and and then my dad who's a lawyer Said I want to read the contract. So least time breaks back in the room Bullenberg's getting more and more upset because it's his birthday. He wants to go once the thing signed and my dad's like I'm sorry Yeah, he wanted to like go out and party party and he's like so I went later and then he got so and what I'm just sitting there like I don't know he walks in and takes a role of hundreds That was like as big as you could hold and goes if you want more half of money if this is what you want Here's your right. Don't throws it at me. Oh And then run walks out the door and I'm like That's more money I've ever seen in my life, you know Like I'm just picked it up and waited then he they ended up escorting us out of the building We didn't sign it we did it a few weeks later, but that's the kind of thing. It's like stories that you just But it was a complicated deal. I mean I was looking at it again It was what mid 80s 10 years 40 million. So well it was an annuity But the value wasn't the total value at that point the largest fair you were the highest Well supposedly compensated athlete in America and right in the annuity was gonna pay 42 million dollars over the next 40 years essentially And so what they did is they said well cv young's a 42 and I think wing rescue is making four and my jjanssen was making Four and a half so it was like this insane headline right and so I was like I remember thinking myself Uh, I can't there's no what do you know you guys are ruining my life like Because 40 so we're playing we play one of early games in Washington DC and my folks drove down from granite First pro game to ever see they're in there watching it's bad weather I I thought I'd throw the ball and it falls out of my hand and somehow it's a little bit Returns for a touchdown and you hear their chant 40 million down the drain 40 million and like became a chant and my dad tells us during my mom's like Resign yourself and she finally turns up when the drunk guys right around her and she goes You can't say that it's an annuity He's not worth 40 million dollars. It's an annuity I'm one of the great lines of all time for my mom. That's unbelievable. You can't boom. It's an annuity You know it's not it's not 40 million did she ever say that you were son out there That's why she started that's my son right and it's an annuity that my dad's like Trying to get away like oh my god. It was a funny time crazy time crazy time I mean it was world news. I get Japan people lived in Japan people in all over Asia and Europe They sent me headlines Steve Young highest paid athlete in the history of sports You're like how did I get here? This is insane. I did like man beach though I can see that so the supplemental draft that you talked about with all that and by the way You know three of the first four picks all in up in the hall of fame So it's you ready Zimmerman and it's Reggie and then Rosia was a second pick so he didn't huh. Yeah Well Reggie was all that yeah, and so was Gary Gary Zimmerman people don't know that name but he played tackle for 20 years and he'd no one touched anybody. I mean he was amazing And so it is interesting that the three of the first four Ended up in the pro football of fame and I think that's a It's a testament to to the entrepreneurship of what they try to do in the SFL and they just couldn't like you said They couldn't just stay the course. No, couldn't know just they just needed to just chill and Anyway, and I think we all I'm telling you the football I played For the express got me ready to play better pro football But did it get did it get you ready for what you were gonna have to deal with in Tampa because you go there. No, but you look Everyone alive who tries to play pro football as a quarterback You're not gonna be able to show who you are unless you get a lot of help I don't name a person that's one of the all-time all the greats They had help because football is that way and so if you Run into a situation you doesn't mean you can't flourish But if you're gonna be like you're gonna run the table and football you need help and Tampa was just You know, no, I look there were we lost a lot of games that season I played we were two and fourteen But the team was not full of losers I mean James Wilder and Jimmy Giles and like there's guys when I'm young now, right this time and I'm watching these grizzled At least these guys are now I respected the warrior ship of their life Like and they were spending their whole careers there Just losing and losing and it's like dude. We're losing games with these these do's are not losers And that's the thing about the NFL a lot of guys are stuck in places that they can't flourish And they're not they're not known even though they are amazing football players and that's the truth about the NFL And that was truth about the the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because There was a place where you couldn't flourish because there wasn't a culture of accountability There was not a culture of there was a culture of mitigation. In other words crap happens every week and everyone had an excuse and nobody would own it and in that in that environment when you just do it for years You can't get out from under it and um I was there for one full season and I remember calling my dad's like dad. I don't know. Maybe I just go to law school like it was that It was not uh It was tough and but I I honor the guys that played there for many years um not losers in my mind Do you think then because the trade happens before the 87 draft to San Francisco right and I kind of wanted I'm gonna make this a quicker question than there's like a deeper question after the fact But if test of erdi's not available in 87 is the number one overall pick But do you think there's enough other moving pieces to get you out of the war? Well, I remember I finished that season that full season and played leave and Bennett was fired And Ray Perkins came in and Ray Perkins and so I'm in You know many camps in the offseason. He's now a coach. We come together Maybe in March or may apricot remember and he lists everyone's Weight that he wanted everyone to show up with in the summertime and I'm and he just read a name and then a number and he goes young 195 and I'm like Like I'm I was 95 long time ago like so then I You know mr. Resil you know I want to go coach. I say low to you, you know, uh, Steve young You said 195 and I'm like well, I said something I don't he goes and he just cursed me out and he just said, you know what? I don't really care what you think I hate lefties. I hate scramblers. I hate people that run I'm in you know, and I'm like oh, this is this is great. This is gonna go really well and uh, and then you know and then we had the first pick and Vinnie was up and so I was like Maybe I maybe I can get out and maybe he you know and that's how it all happened got traded to the St. Louis cartels I call and re-procage called me and said sorry, we created the cartels hung up I called the owner who I made a friend. He's my friend and Not many people who were his friend by the way you cold roast and I said mr. cold roast you You told me this season I was your quarterback for life like you really loved my game But blah blah and he goes I did say that but we've a new coach and I can but you can't send me to say you can't do that Like I like come on. He goes. Okay. I'll fix it. He calls back Nicks is the trade and calls me back and said look you have a week Find a place that Makes sense for you And that's how it all went next minute. I built wall scorer me telling me I love lefties I think my west coast offense is built For people who can run and move around And Joe Montana just went through a second back surgery and I don't know how much more of trety's got and look I I didn't think oh, I'm glad he's heard like no I had nothing but I mean Joe Montana is a king, but that's the way it was presented to me and so I'm like You know, that's no one ever told me that they love lefties No one ever told me they love scram because of the time a guy that run around was a scrant like you were you're an honor Well, he's not really he's not a real quarterback. So I spent the next 16 years trying to Play to a level of efficiency in the quarterback position to really run away from the from being slurred As you know what I mean, and so that's how it happened and I ended up with bill walls I showed up the next the next mini camp. I was in San Francisco now traded I'm out warming up and I'm thinking I've never met Joe Montana and I know you know Is the surgery is he here when he and he comes jogging out and I'm like He didn't look her And I'm gonna turn in the bill walls and I'm like Coach, you know, he looks pretty good. He's like You know, you know, we'll see all this goes and so on we then now you can watch the the documentary that's out this week You can now see that whole thing play out real time because you sit for basically three years there Right, well the first year bill really pushed me. I played probably quarter of the season maybe a little bit more But it wasn't your job until you're I'm in the mix and then so that we were together six years on the same team Joe and I I played full-time two he played full-time four and It was all that it was just You know But prior but prior to your success like this is the thing that I've wondered because you know again I interviewed you a bunch and sometimes I think about athletes and I'm thinking about your whole run like The BYU thing you get out there, but then you're doubted you're playing defensive back and but then it works out Okay, then it works out so now I Could be a top pick in the NFL. I'm gonna go try this new thing with us and it doesn't work out Actually, that doesn't work. I mean it's a thing you get your ass kicked in Tampa And really you're not getting your first shot until like 30 years old and and what again the point that I want to make about athletes is that sometimes like the athletes I admire the most of the ones and I don't want to make it sound in Like an intelligence thing or insulting But like sometimes being too smart can have you thinking way too much about all of these things and knowing how intelligent you are I wonder if you it worked out so I can't second-guess any stuff I've just I bet you there was a lot of time where you were like I just wish I could shut my brain off because I'm wondering at 30 if I'm ever gonna have this Yeah, so it got I got in thick there at San Francisco because it was clearly the place where you wanted to play quarterback Right if you want to see how good you can get Stay here, but then here we are Joe Montana now is one another Super Bowl and another MVP and you're like what am I doing and And the fact that it worked out is Crazy but the thoughts that went through through the years I mean I would have lots of conversations with myself and people that are close to me like I can't we got to do some else We got to figure it out and so it did work out somehow, but It wasn't without You asked me if I got a point where overthinking it was really just watching the opportunity Kind of just Wayne right and so when I finally did play is like I got to go fast Because I'm starting late and I didn't mean to start late. It's just how it went and And so that's what I did for 10 years. I just read about all those fats that good because I knew that The tactical advantage that the West Coast brought to the system in 1980 You know Joe and I and you know, I think early on even more so, but it was like it was Until milk Mike Humberton went to the green Bay and took it from Bill and Mike Shannon took it in the Denver It really was we were the ones that were running it and no one else knew exactly how to deal with it And in that way is like if you want to play quarterback you want to play here. So it was like Like I I definitely over thought it. I definitely was in a bind There was all there was honestly, I don't even want to go back through it all because it was a We don't have yeah, I mean just like I even myself. I'm like the ride was was so uneven that like I'm just like the fact that it worked out is like Because you could I mean if it doesn't work out you can see why Right is like man. What a mess. Yeah, that whole thing was like you can see the USFL the Tampa Bay like you can Hey, Joe and like it's just I'm it's a big thing and uh, so I'm just I'm grateful. I got some clean years ago to make a so The reason I wanted I just like talking with guys about the careers and just telling stories and stuff But like I wonder if you have a An extra level of appreciation for a sand Arnold Oh, absolutely because I'm actually I kind of make a study of it Be honest with you because I've watched when Bill Wallace gave Everything he knew at the height of his career to Mike Hormgren and to Mike Shanahan And then on the way out said I'll see in the championship game Think about what he's saying. He's like you're gonna take this and I'm gonna see you and you know you're gonna come back and compete against me Later in his life. I asked Bill. What what were you? I mean, are you nuts? He goes now because I knew that I had an advantage attack I knew but how am I gonna sharpen myself? I don't have people come back and Like I don't just want to use the system. I want people to come back and make me better think about what that's saying about who he was and because of that Bill is Bill is somebody that Create an environment that every coach now felt The need to share and so now you think about the league today Who's the first person that Andy that my that my partner hired in Green Bay the guy he met at BYU Andy Reed So now Andy reads in Green Bay and what does Mike do? Here's everything So Andy Reed goes to Philly who follow the tree Through Andy Reed Sean McVeigh Kyle Shanahan and in many ways Sean Peyton I know Sean didn't touch it But he to Sean Peyton told me a story about running at swimming in somewhere with Bill Wallace That now I understand why Sean Peyton Sean Peyton So if you if you took those trees of those guys and how they've given it away through the generations now look at the hires In the last three or four years in the NFL Anyone who wants to be in the Super Bowl is hiring from that tree There are still stubborn people that refuse to do it, but now I look at You know like Sam is like He was a place that didn't have that right right? He didn't he started in New York when it was a mess He went to Queerline it. It was a mess and I say a mess because it's not built for today's quarterback And the and the innovative minds of Sean McVeigh Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reed Sean Peyton They're they're the ones that stepped into the innovation of the rule changes For defenders to make it Game safer and now listen. There's this opportunity this offense of opportunity that Bill that Tom Brady explained to me the best When I talked him a night in 22 when he's in Tampa I said Tom what's changed over the years with the rule change? He goes it's dramatic The flats are always open the middle of field is unpatrolled where the used to be you go in the middle field You get yourself killed right because everyone just died bomb and at you and no one can hit me overstatement But right you get the idea and so the game would change it so these innovative guys show up and if you can get to one of them You can find out how good you can get what do you think Liam Cohen all of a sudden like Trevor Lawrence is what happened to Trevor Lawrence this year. Yeah, that's a resurrection. How did this have well? Trace Liam Cohen Name him like and so Sam Donald's now you know with clik kubiak you Gary and Mike Shannon like it's all in the family because they've all handed it down It's all been innovated from i'm not saying it's the same west coast, but it's all rooted in the same kind of Spirit of offensive make the make the position as easy as possible make it as hard in the defense as possible and and and understand quarterback position. So Sam you asked me a long answer to a short question. I apologize But how do I feel about Sam is it he got to a place of innovation in Minnesota He got to San Francisco first, but didn't start goes to Minnesota. How to go? Super-t-well Well, what's the difference? Well now you have people who understand the position who are innovating into the new rules Then understand how to make the quarterback position Easier but more profitable and then he gets kicked out which that's no one other issue Minnesota like You insane and And what happens? Siox go look we we know who we've seen this thing we know we know this Story that Steve's telling and we're gonna we want you and then Sam wins 14 game now. He's gonna win the Super Bowl I think and Sounds like a lean that's the moment. I mean how can you know if he plays because no no the the sea oxygen all that If Sam doesn't turn it up. Yeah, right? How you how you that running game like if Sam to turn over I don't know how you beat him and and in that way now Sam John is a Super Bowl winning quarterback. He's already changed the narrative with the last couple playoff wins But how do how does how does Sam do it? How does Trevor Lawrence turn it in a year? How does Matthew Stafford toil With a lot of success in in Detroit despite it all comes to Shrombic fans like to the moon Hall of Fame put why oh because Matthew Stafford Went to a different chiropractor like no he He found that he found the yeah support around him. He found we found he went to the he went to the mountain Moses in the Sinai he went he found out where it was and so now he can do it and you know Jimmy Grobbler gets our taste of it and what does he do? Go to the Super Bowl Now he can't get a job People are like don't doesn't why don't people ask the question. Why is that? Yeah, you know what I mean like makes no sense until you understand What happened in the league and now the NFL is and I you might think I'm overstating it but it is Bill Walsh's league It's the bill wall's league It is run by the bill wall's tree and anyone who tries to fight that which still people do they pay for it Like you break yourself against the rocks of the fruit of the bill wall's tree in this league today early on and I think about it Like as a kid like some of those throws right and would be Joe and then it right you but like it looked too easy Right yeah, and it made you think like why would I hand it off in the middle of my center in my guard like when I if Roger Craig is just over there and the corner Is not an aligned back or can't you? It did feel unfair on some of that story with a philosophy that we're doing it Not smart if we had a if we added a timing element to the passing game We could pass the ball with as much efficiency that made it almost as risk free as a run Yeah, where the passing game in the past was like risky risky don't do it don't do unless you have to run the ball Now it's like no no our passing game is our running game And that was the philosophical change that is still in the game today that people don't completely understand 34 years later and that's like I watched the innovation Of some teams and some offense accordioners today and I'm like oh my gosh. They're still running stuff from 2010 And it's like dude it doesn't work those days are over do you not see what that like who's in the Super Bowl like Track it. How can you not see the success of Andy like you don't think Andy like I need read I don't know just special. I don't know why Like it's because he keeps reinventing himself like bill told everyone give him to give it away And then sharpen your saw back because you got to innovate got to read you got to you know rediscover yourself every couple of years Kyle Shanahan he had a tactical advantage for five or six seven years everyone caught up because all his coaches went out there now Bill Wallace. Let's what am I doing next if I'm such an innovative mind then he takes a team that's got Decimated with injuries gets 12 wins out of them Brock pretty plays a little while Mac Jones plays a little while. How do you do? Why thought Mac Jones was ruined right? That's the best. I thought I was I was like Mac Jones gonna start Maybe for Minnesota because like hey I've seen this I am not going outside of the family ever again do not I'm not and that's what people understand it Which not everybody does it's so obvious to me and And these these these last Coaching changes this last week and you watch people hire people that are not in that The fruit of that you're like what? Doesn't mean they can't be great, but it's just not gonna You're not gonna get like just making it harder on some Michael a floor like people some people get it and they're just gonna and doesn't mean everyone's great But they're gonna I'm going to that well because I know that's where superboils are I know that's where quarterback if quarterback's the most important job in sports I want someone who really understands it and how how to make them thrive When you watch Drake May this year what was the first thing where you realized like okay, you know a younger guy Like I'm sure as a younger you're looking at younger quarterbacks. Okay, you see it in the efficiency It's it's a guy. It's a smart you can't play good quarterback unless you get the game in a way that doesn't you know you're not Overdoing it. You're not trying to prove anything you get the game in a way as like balls coming out I'm gonna put it in position. I'm gonna put in people's hands that are way more talented than me And I'm gonna do it smart and then if I have a problem. I'm gonna run around and make Tom Brady told you flats are open middle fields on patrol and I can go get yards with my legs that were never there before You can spit off 50 60 yards a game Just extra first downs a touchdown here or there and now the sudden you can play pretty good football by being just Understand what the game is today and I think Drake's come in and done a tremendous job of just balls coming out If I have a smart place to be it otherwise, I'll go get the yards myself and You know what I like about him is that I think all the smart the efficient stuff is there for him But then when it's like you want me to show you like three or four throws that you also What about you? Yeah, when you do that when you it's like Patrick my home's early Superman You can't just be Superman and he realized like he Remember when we ran and when he played Tampa in the in the in the Super Bowl I was like well the tackles didn't help. I know but he was up But but it was the Superman mentality that left right right right and it's like okay Look I got to go back and play a fishing football and that's what he did he went back to school I'm gonna play a fishing football and that one I need to be Superman I'm ready and I don't have to do it every play and that's why Josh Allen for years I've been begging bills You've got to create an environment where he can be Superman some of the time Not all the time and they're getting closer Three years ago, I was like come on man. This guy he's dragging you guys to the playoffs and the Super Bowl Last couple years they realized let's get a burning game. Let's get some linemen. Let's get receiver core Let's let's get someone understands how to call plays and it's gotten better, but it's still not there they have not San Diego that's any the chargers think about what happened they they they're a good Mean potatoes team they get to the playoffs and then they get blown out because Justin Herbert is not given That support so what do you do they finally realized might be down against fire from the dolphins all might be down Grab that guy Remember the fruit that dude is a direct descendant like he's the bloodline and you know what you've watched him He's a little quirky, but you know he knows how to put plays together He knows you watch Justin Herbert will be all pro he'll be in him. He'll be up for the MVP next year and you're low and everyone will go what what happened Now you know I That's what you mean you got more than just Super Bowl content here I want to just ask you on the way out because I know it's a huge week But you were talking about it a little bit for what you're doing. I appreciate you hearing me out like No one lets me talk like this my my kids don't care My wife Kate's football like this is like I have a few friends that I'm like does your wife not listening? I can tell yeah, I didn't think that's that I didn't was I wasn't getting any of that for me I mean I'm this is my therapy so I'm in fact I apologize for groaning on you like Steve's I'll get us out get a cell phone After this, but Sutter Health So I'd start to coach in my girls the in high school California allowed girls flag football in high school three years ago And the first game we played four elder women are up on the stands my wife sees him and says hey Who you here to watch your granddaughter about no? We grew up in the area. We all grew up in the 50s. We all dreamed. We loved football. We always dreamed we could play We never could we heard girls were playing it and we came to check it out So girls have been held from the game for a hundred years They are the game at its core is made for them teaching the girls football detail timing tactics they when I told them that you could run a play and put a Alignbacker in and then they couldn't be right no matter what they do. We're gonna burn them They're like a light one on and they just they took to the game snap counts on two on six Like the detail of the game. I'm like wait a second Boys I men I've been doing this for a long time. It takes a while Girls boom. So Sutter came to me and said look we are we're a healthcare Group that wants to quit focusing on break fix like Oh, I get sick. I can make you better. What if we did prevention What if we actually put money behind prevention and for kids? And so one of the first thing guys that look what I love is girls playing flag You want to jump behind that but in general healthy kids getting away from their phones and getting out on the field And so that's what we we're doing we had our first girls flag Camp on Saturday a couple hundred girls and just from places where don't play flag at high school So we're just I appreciate because I'm one guy They can they have the power to do this in the whole barriere in northern California and really on and beyond so I I told them I'd come on and talk about You can see us therapy for me so it was easy but but I did do it in the name of what Sutter health is trying to do in prevention I think if health care can start to talk about prevention rather than break fix We're gonna be a lot better off and so that's I'm in and I'm especially in for the girls flag stuff Well, update us on what we're doing. Let's have you on at the start of the season next year again Yes, and let's watch Justin Herbert because I already told you I predicted that let's watch the sea ox this weekend I already predicted that yeah, let's see if what I'm saying is right Because I know I know I'm not perfectly right, but I'm directionally right I love talking ball with you man. This is great to catch up. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm apologize for everyone out there like man that guy can talk That's what we have y'all that's how you're gonna do shut him up bro A home game for the Hall of Fame. Don't forget that's right. I drive a long way for kings for my kids, man We'll get you some gift cards on the way out. Thanks Oh could this vintage store be any cuter right and the best part they accept discover Accept discover in a little place like this. I don't think so Jennifer. Oh yeah, huh Discover's accepted where I like to shop. Come on, baby get with the times Right, so we shouldn't get the parachute pants these are making a comeback. I Think discoverers accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide Based on the February 2025 Nielsen report You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari 355 cabriolet What's up? I Have a ridiculous house in the south fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine And best of all kids I am liquid So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required life advice Live in San Francisco Super Bowl week in our raising canes draft King studio Uh, it's great to see you guys. I don't know how long has it been since we've seen each other in person. Did we already cover this? May have beach dude One course light one course light that was right wow Man, well you made up her last night, so I appreciate that you did didn't expect that classy place. I did not Took the boys to maestro's last night Wanted to watch the end at occ Denver, but the friendship was too strong to be charting any plays that night You were laying the foundation for maybe not Like what do you boys doing is like watching occ Denver? I was like going. He's like it's a big one God, yeah, usually when that said it's like that's it. I'm not doing anything that Yeah, which is fine So when I saw you in the lobby and you're like hey, I'm go I first off I had just literally got off the plane. I took an uber here the first thing I see in the lobby is Ryan Not I didn't I didn't even realize you called me before that. I was like what's going on? I was completely shuffled I knew Kyle tired. I was I was I still am didn't sleep much last night. What's up? But I knew I knew where Kyle was I was like I'll go check it on Kyle whatever so seeing you as a total shock And then yeah, we ended up getting some foods and dinner was a good time Kyle had like a seafood platter It was I had six oysters and four shrimp. Let's be honest. We're massive. Yes, they were great to you Did ask the bartender if it was a seafood place a couple times and she's like when we have seafood I would but isn't a seafood place She's like well, we have seafood it's steakhouse. I was alone for far too long. Yeah, I got into it way too early I'll leave it at that the best story though was on the way home When I don't even know how this came up. I'm gonna share this because I feel like I could share it Yeah, okay somehow you asked Kyle like if you thought Kyle could take him It's kind of you know Kyle's bigger than yeah, Kyle's bigger. I think I think I had said like you know You take like fighting classes so no and then your line was I think I'm dangerous I think yeah, no, I know 100% that I said it And I only had one drink so I meant it But yeah, I think it was because we were walking around mission. It was later night San Francisco is always a little It can have some grimeyness to it And so there was like a scooter that went past this then there was another guy And then there was a street Sign that took it on the chin from from Wild I don't remember this. Yeah, sorry. I didn't see it, but I heard it and it sounded like oh, yeah So I sound like I've took down a post so then I love I love the after guys have had a couple drinks Which is like hey, how do you think this would go down who would be more angry? Um, and then yeah, I'd fully admit 50. I shouldn't be thinking about these things and then I said the dangerous Don't lose it dude. Don't lose it. It's a really started dying last day which kind of made made my night But the irony the irony of last night in the full hang Which you know again, we we've got another hang in us this week Just one just one just one Is that the one core's light night? Do you remember who was playing? Oh, was it okay see Denver? Yeah, actually I do I know okay, so starting to see yeah We'll start the season and big big game with yo gets me in back Although Denver is still about me and big win for okay see But I I need to go back and watch like I'm gonna watch that game tonight. I think I owe you for work on I guess he just pouring out I guess you know what happened to that guy. Yeah, oh, yes Good start good start though all three of us not even planned Unprompted hey, where's Kyle? He's at the hotel bar. So Rudy just all right for your luggage away I'm going and then once the food came out the drink started flowing. It was like I'm not worried I'm not worried about I'm not worried about this game tonight Although it could have been an open type of game depending but with the trade deadline Steve young McShay were good. We're good on today all right. So the email address life advice are our gmail.com Those chicken vingers just dominating the room right now Small great. Yeah spilled beer on a young girl. It spurs magic. Oh, maybe so you can help us with this one. Yeah last night AI summaries are just hilarious and what they suggest you to say back. They don't really work for our show, but Maybe potentially sponsorship down the line if I go on vacation or something All right, hey gentlemen six one two thirty no stats. I'm writing this from section two 11 of the February first spurs magic game. I just spilled beer on a 10-year-old girl. Oh, that kind of young lady now, okay Yeah, young I'm in San Antonio for work and bought $25 nosebleeds by myself an hour before the game It's sesame street night So there is an atypical amount of kids at this game After watching the first quarter of my seat. I spent the next hour wandering the stadium eating fried food again two thirty no gym stats Return to my seat with a full beer and about four minutes left in the third quarter in my absence a group of guys next me It's spread their personal effects on of the seats next to me So as I was sitting down I was gesturing to them that I didn't mind their stuff being next my seat as I did that I spilled the splash of beer onto a 10-year-old girl sitting in the row in front of me You don't even have any backup you're by yourself Don't even vouch for your character splash though. All right. That could be a wide range I love that he goes here in political science. There's a thought experiment called the prisoners dilemma Two prisoners are interrogated separately facing varying prison sentence depending on whether they stayed loyal To each other or confess leading into a situation where individual rational choices resulting them both betraying the other and going to prison When silence would have let them both walk free By the way, why are great scene where they have one of the suspects in the interrogation room and then another suspect There's walking by with a full bag of the Donalds or Burger King and that he's actually saying like I still ain't gonna tell you guys Shit and he's eating his fries and the guys in the insider like he's selling you out right now They just got a clutch Incredible scene from one of the great shows of all time. All right, so um It basically seeks to explain why people in complex systems struggle to work together I say this one because sorority was a polysign major shout out and two because I think it explains my actions I basically pretended that I didn't just spill beer on the girl Here's why the group in front of me was five kids aged 10 to 12 one shaperone and older sister eight twenty eighteen to twenty max If I'd spilled beer in an adult or if I'd spilled beer in a kid and they were with an adult I would have been completely comfortable apologizing and maybe even explaining that I Been trying to talk to another group of people while I was sitting down. I'm sorry I was distracted but the young girl had started loudly telling all of her friends that she had gotten something spilled on her And I felt like the situation was at risk of going sideways large solo man pours beer on 10-year-old girl The nosebleeds start to turn on me tight vibes The shaperone turned around and looked up at me and I studiously did not acknowledge In another layer of awkwardness I just checked her out and we made eye contact as I was walking to my seat not thirty seconds before Tight white tank top Okay, low cut. I basically start uh stared straight ahead Ignored the situation till they all moved on in a minute or two. So here's the Exposition right yeah, right like if they're that young They'll probably be distracted by something else Here's the thing I didn't handle the situation perfectly or even well But I felt like if I'd open the door to a prolonged dialogue at risk going sideways totally and that not acknowledging the situation was an Imply if effective way to keep the situation moving without larger confrontation Does what I'm saying make any sense Like nobody ever wants to come out and be like the way you spilled beer on a 10-year-old really well done Yeah, the well played sir but Put yourself in that spot. I think you do all the math that he's doing I don't have any problem with this you're not a fucking boy scout But I mean I can't say I wouldn't have tried to do exactly I would have done the exact same thing. I would have had all that thought in like a millisecond be like this is what I'm doing This is what I'm doing That horns where they run into There's been bain he's shooting again Dude's are also really good at just kind of just ignoring things right? It's like in our D.A.s to be like oh this thing happened or so I have to talk about this or my feelings like that Just don't talk about it. So like that's maybe his like evolutionary thing kicked in and that's why it worked out so well I think it was the right move The stakes just get so high like you dudes will fight each other by accidentally spilling beer right regular You throw a kid in there and it's like you know you just like so it charges. Yeah The good thing is you know the 10-year-old likely is not drunk So like they're not gonna They're not gonna mess you back. This is a smart guy. All right. This might be one of the smartest political science majors. I've ever heard from Oh, yeah So So yeah, he thought all these different things and he was like the size factor here doesn't really mean anything because again We're talking about 10-year-olds Uh and his shaper on that you just checked out. Do you think you wouldn't have apologized already? I would have definitely played dumb as long as I could have to avoid the situation I would have played try to play it exactly. Yeah, once the jig is up you have to be Yeah, then you're like hey, sorry if somebody like she like knocks on your shoulder It's like hey like I just saw like what the heck? Oh, I'm sorry my bad like I had some stuff moving around But like if I'm that would have been like I would have had to be confronted in the moment that you did this And then yeah, obviously you can't lie at that point But if no one's around no one's calling you out on it like everyone just kind of looks the other way It's a tough place to try to explain yourself, you know loud stadium. Yeah later in the game And things happen like things move quickly like something else in the game happens like people's attention Like kind of move so like if you don't acknowledge it something else will happen that'll get people's attention That's though are going up there Yeah, that's yeah That's fair although new ones who knows yeah, I was next to I was court side there for my little Utah visit And I was right next to one of those guns. Let's think there. That was a way louder than I thought it was I was like they just don't hand those out to anybody like when you watch somebody they're not street legal Um Bear the quarterback of BYU was out there chucking t-shirts that kid looks like a defensive end. I can't believe he's a quarterback Who was the remember the wmb was a Kelsey plum remember she had there's that slow-mo of her throne right and she just rips it into the second That was yeah, yeah, she fires it in there. All right Um, I guess that wasn't really life advice. I think you just wanted to share that with somebody great stories Oh, yeah, well, I think we all think you did the right thing and I you know, I can understand why you be having second thoughts about that I understand why he did what he did. I don't know that anybody wants to say great move. That was the right like yeah Yeah, I think we all know it's it's it's fine, you know try not to do it again kids gonna Yeah, who knows that kid might not even drink in high school Imagine the kid just made like a huge scene though and just starts like calling you out in front of everybody and point I think sometimes kids got you know, they'll do that they get crazy And it's like hey, this guy just built beer of me and then man all the whole floodgates open your screw Yeah, that's a tough one. There's also different cities too where I'd be like the last thing I want is the nose bleeds against me here Sand yeah, yeah, San Antonio feels safe for some reason I've never been there Boston. What how's that go Well, I don't know I get my punch you That yeah, I mean that's the problem is like the parents, but they're divorced but they're there together so there's already tension Yeah They would if they were divorced they wouldn't be there together actually All right pretty straightforward gutter girls number she text back not a big texture Turned 38 a few weeks been listening since spring of 14 shout out to roots nice five nine don't like it But okay and a half five nine and a half sorry and 180 no impressive gym stats, but I'm still hitting 20 25 footers in the snowboard park and throwing down jib tricks 2025 footers Booters Oh, is this skateboard? I think it's no warning 2025 foot booters, all right sure that's what I was gonna say foot I just assumed every time Foot footers wouldn't have made a ton of sense so foot booters make a winding thing. Yeah, love me some strange Vote wow you guys won't get that reference shout out to Luke Smith Shout out to Nick Fallon here. I don't know any of these words. Yeah, right? I'm at 38. I'm shocked. He's strange. Well, I guess it makes sense anyway. It was UV and band back in the day After getting some sales calls out of the way on Friday I headed up to spin a few laps at the ski resort that I work at part time as a snowboarding instructor Heading up the gauntlet to get to the lifts I get put in with some random people the four of us don't know each other But the conversation is flowing as everyone is stoked to shred on this beautiful day It just so happens one of the girls as a pretty smile a cute Midwest accent that sticks out on the west coast It's incredibly friendly and we appear to be around the same age She's incredibly friendly. All right as we leave the gauntlet We're walking the same direction. I ask her she's by herself and if she wants to take a few runs She agrees enthusiastically and I say let's warm up with a green because despite her saying she rides blues I've been fooled before okay. She stinks What she's got an awesome instructor. Hell yeah, I get her linking her turns and she's having a blast During the time going up to chairlift. I think I mentioned she had a pretty smile about five times That's a lot of time. He was stoked I smile and I said that already four times I asked if she had a boyfriend Which she said she didn't so I mean look there's a lot of people out there telling people that you've got husbands She on say his boyfriend's girlfriends that don't have any of them Turns out we lived about 10 minutes away from each other And after about 90 minutes of snowboarding I get her phone number and say we should grab lunch or ride again in texas or later that afternoon when I got home Side note been in a bit of a rut lately, okay part of me's just stoked I was able to ask a pretty girl in person and not in the apps. Yep. It's the small win here. I'll take it It takes her a few hours to respond, but it's all positive Thank you so much. I had so much fun crying laughing emojis to my bad jokes I think that's probably because I'm all trending in a good direction I respond back much faster than she responds to me and then silent until Sunday afternoon She apologizes for taking so long to respond saying she was busy and not a big texture And maybe we'll see each other on the mountain next time Nope, so over. Sorry Damn it Maybe we'll see each other on the mountain next time. It's a time. Yeah I thought this was gonna be like she's an awesome girl and she's not gonna text you all the time, which could be great That's not bad. It's not that Yeah Is there anything? No one of girls that aren't quote-unquote a big texture like everyone's a big texture everyone text that it's on Yeah, you know, I've met a couple that were just really like on purpose girls. Yeah, I yeah, I'm not a great texture You're not a girl. Yeah, that's fair. But yeah, but you text. I don't know It's the classic like if you wanted to you would and that's you and if she wanted to she would Yeah, but sometimes I get text that it's there's so much in it. I go, okay I need to think about how I'm gonna respond to this and then It's not an insult, but then it feels and something. Yeah, you're talking to me. I know. I know. That's fine I just but we're done. I've done it with a girl before I can't actually this is too long like I can't read this right now I'm gonna check into it. It's too many topics. I need to really This could be a monologue. Let me let me get to the notepad here The mountain line is brutal man. So let's see. What do I do? Am I overthinking it and she's just not a good texture? No The mountain thing is I was I was I had hopes for anything being possible here, but maybe I'll see you next time in the mountain after a full day of nothing Yeah, in your defense though every other sign to this point was like you were in like she She chose to solo hang out with you all day on the lift. She isn't good. You were instructing her She laughed at your joke. She responded to the text and then all of a sudden it was just like Actually, no, I'll hope to see you out there kids like well the best shoulder. I think yeah Well, let's just finish the rest of the email because I think we're almost done here Am I overthinking it and she's just not a good texture our people really not good textures Do I how do I play it? Do I slow play it and text her back something vague like yeah, let's link up again How long should one wait before you send that first text after getting a girl's number not online is the kids saying the wild Do I just pick up the phone and call her one night don't do that? Yes I had I had somebody had met Years ago randomly There was this late thing she put her number on my phone with like a champagne bottle emoji in the name nice dude I think Okay, seems good. You think that is a positive well the Moji you know put her number on your phone. I think we're off to right, so then I the next day I was at because it was like I was away and it was a um I I was I was like working out obviously as you do and I was like oh okay, and I hit I hit call By accident that didn't mean I was gonna be a hangout yeah, I called and hung out Yeah, you can't even do that these days They're right and I got a second you do I got a text back. It was like hey, can you not call like a moroma texture? No, I was just like whatever that was the last time It was just like that's you didn't even have to be that mean it wasn't a state I just I just was like the vibe on that text alone I was just like this is not happening so to bring this back to life advice what he's asking is what his response should be and his response to maybe I'll see you on the mountain Well, yes, he has one more line. He's like I could just move on as part of me sees being a bad texture is a huge red flag Dude if you're in a rut let's not worry about red flags Yes, but a willingness to try and learn to snowboard as a dull by herself is really attractive I got nothing to lose but could definitely use some advice of all the mountain towns Ryan talks about wine Olo for Tahoe Interesting the you know Tahoe. Yeah, I actually during the Utah visit. I was going to go from Salt Lake to Utah I actually need to text back Trent Dill for now. I told him I was coming Now I think that was time You haven't texted him Salt Lake to Reno Reno you didn't text him that you weren't coming no Like it's been a week. Yeah, okay. No, just a point that I'm a good actor. All right. This lines up I asked him where I should stay and he was like staying in Klein Village and I was like all right And then he's like I think I'm gonna be their Saturday. So I didn't go like hey lunch. It's on Saturday You know how many cores lights or whatever there was no okay. There was no conclusion of the whole thing ironically my luggage ended up in Reno Of all places and then they shipped it to San Francisco because I never got it in LA So I don't whatever Yeah, so ironically enough. I was gonna go to actually go to Tahoe But then I was like you're just gonna be in a hotel room by yourself for like a total of Like 14 days now. So what I took the boat out LA I was happy to be back in Manhattan each for a couple days and so it really knows there's also a backstory to me going back to Manhattan Beach, which I'm not gonna share It's nothing all that exciting. Yeah, it says nothing to do with like a personal relationship. All right, so back to our guy um Look me and you may have just overdone it Did you know I think this is a free play. I think this is oh You're gonna double down the other way and just say hey, no, I think this is a free play the the lineman just you've snapped the ball the lineman Already got the flag. I think you could chuck this down the field. I think what you could say What did she say maybe I'll see you on the mountain or maybe I'll see you off the mountain and then and then lay out Then you're done and then you're done. It's you're already cooked. This is already over unless you can somehow You know say something kind of cool and sound like you don't care that much because you may have already gone too far in one direction I think that's the last thing you could do is just remind her that you maybe would like to get together Instead of just one more time and that's and then be done Because otherwise you're done anyway. This was like you drop the like Let me know next time you're there kind of thing and that way it's like oh, I'm not like asking you want a date there But it's like oh, yeah, like you know, I think it needs to be a little bit more forward than that Look, it just sucks when you go all right somebody's interested in me she gave you the number you had a blast snowboarding I mean she was by herself you were teaching you having a really good time But her saying hey, I'm not a good texture all right, that's not great and then Like you that whole red flag thing that was that was pointless like you could be over thinking I'm just wondering like if you had such a great time with her you got the number you made the connection You're teaching her how to snowboard and all this stuff If if you got a little too hyper about the whole thing and we're texting her in a way where she's like all right This guy needs a chill out like the thing that's so frustrating about the male female like Dynamic is those early minutes those early hours those first few days. They're so delicate And you can fuck it up When you didn't even fuck it up and then you might be interested but don't be too interesting right and then it's like six months later You may even run into the person and the person's like I can't believe like that's the way I handled it And you're just like yeah, I actually liked you like what Why did you have to be such a weird about the whole thing and a lot of people have like this freak out the second anyone actually shows like earnest Like any kind of attention Yeah, and then you're like oh my god this person likes me It's my blue text letter with no responses You might have overdone it you may not have you know somebody else I don't think he did no but he it's something Either she loved the free lesson, but she again she gave you the number Maybe she also there's times where like a girl would just give you the number because it's like way less awkward than saying I do not want to give you myself right and I'll just go to you. I'm a professional go star Right, right, right, but the professional goasters I mean, yeah, maybe she just really wanted to lesson but like hang out with you solo for our afternoon That seems like depends on if you really are a non-confrontational people don't even people won't even order food From a place if you have to call them anymore. It's like well. It's not a door to actually I'm not an afternoon ski lesson with this guy. She didn't want to hang out with because she was too afraid to say I don't But here's the thing like it might be worth Your whole free play thing I would say give it a week Two weeks. That's too long. I don't know give it 10 days give it 10 days. Maybe like hey look You're almost like a stranger again if you give it too long too much time. Hey heading up there Like right just being like hey or the next few days. I'm headed up like Had a blast snowboarding, you know Don't like necessarily apologize for anything or like but try to find a way to vaguely express like if I read this wrong But don't say that because then it's like oh this guy like things there's all these stakes and all the things I think there's a way to play it you ignore it for a bunch of days and then who knows maybe you randomly hear from her Then you get surprised about whole thing Maybe she's had something really shitty go on in her life for like 24 hours and that's why she was snowboarding by herself to get her mind Clutter of all these things all right, but I would just lay out for a week and a half or so and then just be like Hey, I'm headed for the mountain the next couple days if you want a snowboard awesome And then you'll have your answer, but he does need to probably need a response To this text right he's like what should I do? I think one cool text could get you back on track I think one cool reply might be able to get you to make you fucked and I think you're lying to show you yeah, unfortunately So that's a free play. I'll leave it there all right All right Are you getting Venmo's from listeners? Yes, oh This one guy sent receipts of he just pays you 10 bucks all the time. Yeah, one guy keeps asking for 50 bucks for being a poser Oh, I'm almost he's asking you for 50. Yes I'm gonna send up two cents and just tell him to like I'm gonna say something mean I think but then now he already knows so I was just ignoring but they will just end on that what is it just like a cheers emoji and then like you know It was a really nice it was a really nice message this last time Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that's really nice. I don't have my phone on me. It's a real podcast. People in shoutouts. Yeah Uh, Tom Ford shoes by the way, I never know what it says like uh his feet. That's did they do nice dude? They do look nice I'm usually wearing compression shorts while I do the pod Uh, no you get up to go get something. I'm like whoa. Yeah I try to warn everybody Okay, I mean the Freddy gives us an all-time Speaking of he want to grab me a shout out the Freddy gives he did win a grant. Yeah Wait, was that the fr- wasn't that boss? Oh Was that right? You're right. Well, probably was Freddy too though because you were like the same short thing. Yeah No, I actually thought the no-shit was a softy. Yeah, that was a tough look. I was in my fucking house. Yeah, but like okay If like no, it's a beach life thing. I mean you wouldn't get it. You're right. You're right. I wouldn't Like man, there's a lot of sand in here. Yeah How like it is what happens. Yeah, I'll take it Who do you get snow in your house? All right, uh I guess we don't need to acknowledge Anymore on the Venmo. Well, thank you, by the way. Do you know to that other guy? Yeah, that sucks the guys are like for same like same guy multiple Times are different. It's the same guy because we're the same guy and he he let a couple months go by he he asked me again All right, uh bench 225 22 times my senior in high school probably down to only five reps But you know what you did it six foot two 15 Pickup game shorter less enthusiastic mark madson shout out to the cardinal Can't shoot but work hard in the paint. By the way Stanford Steve's boy is boy Mark madson It's also the calco show yep, but um I remember first becoming a fan of rinds while listening on the college game day in 2009 my way to a Poe boy eaten contest and thinking that dude has a great radio voice and is gonna make it big Uh, I always do wonder if my voice sucked They're guys in the industry to voice sucks. Yeah, imagine mad dog russo sending in a resume tape to somebody Yeah, but that works now like that's you know, no, no, he's gonna start it He gets starting like the late 80s man maybe before but he was on a new york people I think I'd say this because he's we're friendly with him He probably doesn't remember me, but like coward has kind of a Parable radio voice and he's one of the best rated people terrible radio voice. Well, I'm not yeah I mean, I don't think it's a good one good cadence. What do you mean? Yeah, I mean, I don't feel like I'm speaking I think his I think what he does is a ton of range in his voice. Okay So like a lot of people think Like I can be making a great point, but there's certain radio managers of each like didn't hammer on enough dead No energy, yeah monotone or whatever and then it's like I can't believe Keola let's get traded and he's like that guy's killing it His teeth is credible This move the calves just made opened up a spot for LeBron It's coming up next Like those tosses Reenie have a good like a good TV voice. He does yeah Yeah, he like if you really listen to like this hosting stuff you can you can make fun of like the higher pitch part of Bringing yeah, but normally he's lower His his range is lower. He gets people impersonate green to higher pitch, but he's usually when he gets worked up That you think of his voice. Yeah, yeah Vampel has a good voice. Yep Yeah, Dan the Duke Davis. What about what about big cat? Big cats voice is good. It's kind of good radio voice. I think he does have a good voice. I don't know what I ever thought about yeah He is a he is but he also kind of has this like I don't think you fucking care, but there's almost like an every man buffoonish Thing that does like it. It's can sound would would be insulted by that. Yeah No, well the way he'll ask Some things though it can feel a little like no, I know you're saying stony. Yeah, yeah, but it's not a high-second double dragger But like yeah, it's it's him so it's it's cool. It works. Hey the thing I said in their book even though I haven't talked to the author yet That they're really smart and they figure out a way to convince everyone that they're done Yeah, there you go. I might be in the back page All right So yeah, thanks for the compliment continue to be a fan S.V.P. and Racelo Racelo cannell attending the live walk-on walk-on show prior to the 2016 LSU Famigame I even came in second to the Oregon brewery guy no way to Scott at Grace. I brewery for the ESPN auction So this guy actually really you really like the shows Spend the day with S.V.P. and Racelo He sounds way cooler than me and probably the best for a Racelo's sake or else the Racelo's soft with cease to exist again Racelo is it too late to say that I'm so V What you don't like the tagline? I don't like it. Yeah, I don't know Maybe But you you're doing it by doing it too much. Yeah, it is doing too much But the fact that my friends used to sing it and then hand them out. Yeah, you sold me on that you sold me on that I'm gonna I want you handed out some sobs Now to the story I first Vennmode Kyle back in April of 23 Just as a thank you for him being the best podcast producer in the world That's pretty high ranking Do you agree with that ranking? The best in the world. No, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't say that I think I sing producer limits you though. That's that wouldn't But when people ask what I do that's what I say. I'm like Sometimes I'm on a mic sometimes I'm not sometimes I push buttons and I don't even know if I want to be a screenwriter anymore For the actual art or the craft. I just want to be able to introduce myself not as a podcaster It's really a tough branding. Yeah No one's psyched because there's the wideest range of what that could possibly knowing. Yeah, I mean anyone Someone could feel bad for you if you say that or something. Right. It's like I'm hoping it works out Yeah, no more than half to just keep at it. That's what they say. Just keep at it No more people that if I don't know any about me and it's like oh, he's a podcaster and really you live You're a redondo Herchins what happened there? Then he got back from um Wait, wait, wait, wait, alright then he got back from the bachelor party following this month was complaining about how much he spent So I vent mode him again Crickets both times not even a heart on the Venmo much less a thank you What will it take to get an acknowledgement from Kyle on my Venmo's I even sent him a third one recently to see if third times at charm So this guy that's not like you you're you're a nice guy Thanks, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I well, you know it's 30 bucks total. So maybe that was it's 30 bucks total So zero. Yeah, it's unbelievable It's more than double okay when I was riding the bus and like falling off those scooters Mark Titus and tape-fraiser were put constantly putting my Venmo out there and I actually racked up quite a bit. That was nice um Keep that number off the books. Yeah, I think um, I mean it wasn't like a thousand dollars or anything But when I was I was waiting for the bus and a year a little chinching and it's like 15 bucks. Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, nice crowdsourcing I guess because this this guy who keeps asking me for 50 dollars he recently did that again It was like around the same time back to that guy Well, I don't like the idea that you can Get to me through Venmo if you just want to I know I know this guy is being nice and this guy's being a dick But they it's both the same venue So you I see I see I was sort of like I don't know if I want to get a response to anything like that So I'm sorry we got you on the show and um, well there you go. This is better than that would have been it is but yeah I don't know how to answer it. I will sometimes I answer a DM like I'll check my like requests or whatever and I'll I'll answer it and it's like thanks so much and then we we were we're on to something else Yeah, all right now this guy's in my he's I've allowed him in my DMs and now we're like got to be honest I don't follow the Venmo logic So because one guy asked me for money that you can not you just a random person can just like get to me that way and You're looking at Venmo is like Facebook right now and it has nothing to do with where the traffic is going You're just like sort of turned off because the one guy's ruined it for the other guy that was open I just don't know if it's a venue for conversation having that's all time even a conversation is just a Oh, like all right, no, you know what? Can they send you notes after you like some are you afraid to opening up without I'll admit like every now and then if I read an i g DM I go as soon as you open this up or if you it's then gonna turn into something. Yeah, you're gonna waste a lot of time Well, maybe more may be build a relationship All right, so I'm coming so I can be that too, but you're right. You're logic is right. I'm gonna say thank you to that guy You're in addition to doing this now. Thank you All right, that'll do for the show live from San Francisco big thanks to draft kings and of course All my friends at raising canes as well Come to the kipsy be ready to go Wednesday full show and then Thursday could very well be two shows As we get ready for the NBA trade deadline, which is my favorite part of Super Bowl week Uh, and we're going to the Warriors game. Yeah show field trip all of us are going to the Warriors game on Tuesday night So report back down follow the sodas. Yeah content there. I guess they're gonna have a camera bar stool They film everything here. So they're gonna be PFT was talking to me about his Fucked up calf. He's in a scooter. He's in a little rascal. That's why he was sitting out there Yeah, his calf actually hurt. He's in a rascal and I was like where cuz then I walked away from him Like where is he need is like going two miles an hour But they film the whole thing. So we'll have all that stuff up on the socials as well. So thanks to Kyle Thanks to Kevin Thanks to sorruti and Make sure you check out the rest of the show of our sports You