Welcome to Corazon Technologies, home of the Digital Executive Podcast. Do you work in emerging tech, working on something innovative, maybe an entrepreneur? Apply to be a guest at www.corazon.com forward slash brand. Welcome to the Digital Executive. Today's guest is Ginny Graham Scott. Jeannie Graham Scott is a nationally known writer, consultant, speaker, and seminar leader specializing in business and work relationships, self-help, professional and personal development, social trends, science, and crime. She has published over 50 books with major publishers and 250 books through her company, Changemakers Publishing and Writing. Ginny is also a game designer who published over 150 games with major game companies, including 120 games in books and audiobooks by ALB Games. Recent games are card, communication, and party games on relationships, success, mental health, world travel, scams, crime, and AI. Well, good afternoon, Ginny. Welcome to the show. Glad to be here. Absolutely, my friend. I appreciate it. And I know you're hailing out of Danville, which is, I know, east of the Bay Area. But I'm just so glad that you're here. I'm in Kansas City making the two hour difference in time zones sometimes is a challenge. So thank you. And Jenny, I'm going to jump into your first question. You've built an incredibly diverse career as a writer, game designer, filmmaker and consultant. What experience has shaped your journey to becoming such a prolific creator and thought leader? Well, I started thinking about it. And I think it goes back to when I was a kid because I started, you know, like when I was six years old, seven years old, I started writing children's books. And I went to an art class and I remember my parents being told that I created more art than anybody in the class. I had more paper that I used. And I've always sort of used that kind of thing where I, whatever I'm doing, figure something. And I write different articles or I get books or whatever. I started writing books when I was in college. And I wrote my first, I started writing proposals about ghostwriting or haunting houses. And it's like everything that I experienced led to something else. And then when anything went wrong, I started writing about it. Like I was writing some material for people and they lied to me about the money part of it. And so I ended up writing a bunch of books about lying. And then I was on Oprah about Liar Liar came out with Jim Carrey. I was on the television show. And then I also had an experience when I was ghostwriting and I discovered that there was a scam going on. I didn't know about it. I was writing legitimate material of turning scripts into books. I mean, books into scripts and films. And what they did is they created this phony executive. And then they were using all these to create this marketing materials. and then the marketing materials, which are legitimate materials that I wrote, didn't go anywhere because they went to this sort of phony executive. And when I discovered it, I ended up writing a book about that called The Big Con, where I discovered all these people I had worked with were cheated by this company. And I stopped working with them and I reported them to the FBI. And so then that became The Big Con, which I wrote about. And then that turned into films. And some of the films suggested the books. Like I did some books, films on scams, the match-based books on scams. I mean, one thing led to another. And so my whole life has been like that. I really love that story. As a kid, you started out writing kids' books. And the fact that you created more art than anybody in the class is amazing. Just kind of shows that drive and that inspiration that you had. The curiosity drove that creativity which is awesome And of course this took you through your whole entire adult life as well This diverse writing experience led you to other experiences introductions opportunities films I think that's amazing. So thank you for sharing that. Ginny, with over 300 books published across traditional and independent platforms, what drives your creative output and ability to consistently produce content at such scale? Well, I think the idea of doing things, they don't have to pick perfect, but to do them and they were good, good quality. And rather than trying for perfection in everything, which could really hold you back, almost good or almost perfect. I think that that, I mean, in fact, that led to a song called Almost Perfect. Almost Perfect's good enough for me. I also write songs and I have about 150 songs that I've done with recently a composer. I started writing songs about, oh, about 30 years ago. And I went to Nashville a couple of times. and one thing led to another. And so I was always exploring and looking at things differently. And I would love, I went to school. I ended up getting five master's degrees after I got a PhD and I have a JD degree. And so I've always loved education and learning about new things. And then one thing leads to another and inspires the book. My first published book was a thesis I had done and as a sociology student, I got a PhD in sociology. And so I turned my dissertation into a book that was published by Greenwood Publishing. This was a long time ago. And so that led to one thing led to another. And then I was in a magical group and I wrote a book about magic. And I got kicked out of it because I started discovering it. And I realized that they were kind of doing evil things. And so anyway, one thing led to another. And I've always believed in the idea of turning things around. So if something bad happens to you, something goes wrong in your life, or if you see that happening in other people or in society, then I've written books about resolving the problems in your own life and society. So one thing leads to another. That's amazing. Gosh, I'm totally inspired. But big nugget I took away about your success though is projects don't have to be perfect. They just have to have that quality. And in fact, it led to a song and you were a songwriter as well, but almost perfect is good enough for me. And I think that's pretty cool. And at the end of the day, one thing leads to another. And I think that's, again, it's a chain of events and experiences that inspired you to move on to the next project, which is amazing. And kudos to you. Gosh, five masters, a JD and a PhD. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. You make us look all insignificant here, but Ginny, I appreciate that. And Ginny, as a game designer with over 150 published games, how do you see interactive formats like games enhancing learning, communication and personal growth? Well, I think games will trigger discussions. I just actually started with games in my 20s and I did that and I had about two dozen published games with different companies. And I went around the country to different game companies. And this was a time before women entrepreneurs was really accepted. So I pretended to be the secretary in the company. And I created this persona, the CEO, David Franklin. And I said, well, I'm just his secretary. And so, you know, people would accept that. And then, you know, about a year after that, the women on the lower groups got started. But anyway, that got me started. And then in the age of AI, about two years ago, I started doing some games. And what inspired the first game was we had a film that was inspired by this book, The Big Con, which I told you about, about scams. And so I did this first game called Scamalot, which was a conversation game where you talk about scams. And I used the basic structure. I went to a game group that they had, a game party. And they used this way of somebody would draw a card and then people would answer questions and then the person would get the best card So I use that kind of structure to create a whole series of games based on communication people deciding who gave the best answer giving them the card they would get a point. And so I did a couple of dozen games that way that I did some real fake games where you would say whether something's real or fake. So one thing led to another and I started doing games about all sorts of things. I have games about the environment. I have games about giving advice, about good relationships and so on. You can see them at albgames.net. So we've ended up doing over 100 games where each game takes about six or seven hours to do. And one of the ways that's helped is having AI. So like I ask AI, well, give me cards for this topic. And so AI generates a whole bunch of cards. And then I have a VA who will turn this list of cards into the cards and I give them an example of how to do it. And so that's been able to do that really quickly. And so, you know, I've done numbers games, I've done word games, and one thing leads to another, and I just sort of think about things. And so that's kind of the way I work. Thank you. Gosh, one thing leads to another. You've done so much, but just to highlight a few things here, obviously you talked about games contributing to deep discussions, and you talked a lot about that, a lot of human interactive communication type games that you designed and created. And you've created many different formats and different genres, et cetera. And I believe it's AOB games.net. And we'll highlight that later on the website as well. But just love it. And the fact that and I know that back in the day, things weren't very equal in the business world, as you talked about. And you market you marketed your ideas and your games as as being the secretary of the company. But, you know, you were really behind the scenes and you were the the actual founder and entrepreneur. you were. And I just appreciate your boldness and your courage to do what you did back in those days. Well, one of the things that I always, thank you, you can always find different ways of getting to an objective if you have the objective and the goals in mind. And I've written books about them. Recently, I wrote a book called Play Life as a Game, where you structure your life as a game with rules, with activities, with objectives, with whatever. And you sort of think about playing that game and working out the details of it. And you can use visualization, you can use meditation, hypnosis, all these kinds of tools and techniques. And AI can also be, you can have these conversations now with AI. I use ChatGP to come up with outlines. I use Flexity to write some material. And then also Claude and Gemini and Grok. And there are several others that are, you know, the major platforms today, but they really speed things up. And I think it's very controversial because you write that and you can't get copyrighted to anything, but you can use it. And a lot of writers are upset about it or artists because they're losing jobs. But I feel like if you look at it as a tool that you can use, you don't have to use a job. You can use this in different ways to facilitate whatever you're doing. And of course, you go back and you edit it and you refine it, you know, do other things with it. And then I'm taking a course now on AI entrepreneurs and the way you can model this to increase your speed, do press releases, do marketing materials, you know, all kinds of ways in which you can use it. I mean, there's this course, they have 24 sessions of it. Each one is almost two hours long. But I mean, there's so many ways you can use AI now. And so I think, you know, when there's any new technology, is go and embrace it. It's like when photography came out, people would say it's not an art form and gradually it gets accepted. So with any new technology, there's a huge resistance to it, but then gradually more and more people are involved and then you find different ways to use it effectively. Thank you. I appreciate that. And I just wanted to have you expand on that just a little bit more You talked a lot about this already but how do you see that future of creativity and publishing and storytelling with AI You shared some examples but what opportunities does it create for these creators around the world If you could just elaborate a little bit more on that. Well, I think if you have an idea for something and you can go further with it. For example, I was talking about using this turnabout model of turning bad things into good things. So I might put a question to AI, give me an outline of different topics of things that are bad that you could turn into good things so I could write a book about it and design it into so many chapters. Or I might do a kid's book where I have an idea for a little girl goes out in the wilderness and meet some scary animals and how How does she cope with it? And so I would put the idea for the children's book, or I would put the idea for the song in it, and say, generate a book with 16 sections of 500, 600 words, and each, they have 16 chapters or 16 pages, because that's sort of the standard for a kid's book. Or I would say, all right, give me a country song dealing with, like, I have this idea for I feel stuck, like a person's stuck in a traffic jam. And so I put that into Chachupiki or Plexity and I said, give me a song with a verse, three verses, chorus, bridge, outro. And so it generates it. And then usually the conversation, do you want this as more friendly or do you want this as more casual or more country style or radio style? And so I'll go back and forth and I may get several different versions and then I edit them. and then I give them to the person who does the music part of it. And then after that, I've created a video that I put. I have a channel at Changemakers Music where you can see that. You can see the trailers for the films at Changemakers Production or Changemakers Films, rather. And so I'll sort of do that. And then I kind of refine it when I do that. And anybody can put some information into it. I would suggest paying for the $20 or so a month because then they keep a library and they can refer back to what you've previously done and generate that. So I have one on, and I also use illustrations. So I have right now, I'm working on one on stuck in traffic. So somebody's stuck in traffic. So I work with Night Cafe, which works with Nano Banana and Gemini and it has various platforms. And so I'll say, okay, so here's a prompt. And so I have to be good at doing prompts and being really detailed about what you want. and then I'll say well I have this guy who's stuck in traffic he's here in sports car and he's very upset and he raised his hands and yelling and screaming and so I put it in different platforms and I've ended up with about 20 different images and then I'm going to put that once I have the music I'm going to put that into a thong so anything like that is people can just be as creative as they want to be and they can use AI to help them be even more creative and come up with more ideas and then they build on those ideas. Does that all make sense? Absolutely. Thank you so much. You are a creator and we see a lot of creators these days that, you know, you can look at your glass half full or half empty. A lot of creators are looking at half empty saying AI has taken my job. But if you really embrace it and learn it like you have, and you've done this for so many years, but embracing all these tools, I'm so proud of you the way that you've embraced all these platforms to be even more creative. I want you to say about half full, but why not say it is full and you start filling it up? Absolutely. With AI now, absolutely. I love it. I love it. Ginny, it was such a pleasure having you on today and I look forward to speaking with you real soon. Okay. Well, good talking to you too. Bye for now.
