Week 19 (Days 127-133): Why was Uzzah killed for keeping the ark from falling?

Hey Bible readers! Welcome to TBR Deep Dive. I'm Emma Daughter. I'm Kirsten McCloskey. And we are here with my good friend, Marvin Walker. Yes we are. Marvin, for those who don't know you, tell us a little bit about what you do. A little bit about Marvin Walker. I should start at I'm a child of God. I really love Jesus. I am married to Mrs. Amber Walker. Shout out. Big shout out. I've got kids that are seven, six and four and in my spare time, which I have zero of, I'm the chaplain of the Dallas Mavericks. So that's a fun thing. Super fun. And you're a local pastor here? Yes. I miss that. That's the thing that is in between all of those things. But a pastor at Watermark South Dallas, we've been a church plant for the last four years going on five. It is a blast and people are growing as well as myself. That's awesome. Are you ready for the first question? Let's jump in. Come on. Why hold back? The first question comes from day 127 and it specifically comes from 2 Samuel 6, 6 through 7, which reads, And when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah put his hand to the Ark of God and took hold of it for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah and God struck him down there because of his error. And he died there beside the Ark. So our question, the story of Uzzah bothers me. Wouldn't it be a natural reaction to reach out and catch something to keep it from falling? Seems logical. Yeah. Especially since it's the Ark of the Covenant. It seems like it'd be better to touch it with your hand than to let it hit the ground. The whole situation seems unfair. What do you make of this? Emma Kirsten, this is a difficult story. It is hard. It's in the Old Testament and most people when looking at this story can say, the guy Uzzah was just trying to help. It doesn't seem fair. But really, Uzzah's reaction wasn't the real issue in this whole story. The setup was just all off. The Ark wasn't even supposed to be on a cart and God gave specific instructions to his people. Numbers four and number seven said that only the Levites, it was only supposed to be them that were to carry it on poles. Why? Because the Ark represented the very presence of a holy God. That's what it was about. It wasn't just a sacred object. It was the throne of the invisible king. Uzzah had already had the revealed Word of God. He'd already got it. So by the time the oxen stumbled in the verse, Emma just read 2 Samuel 6,6, the whole situation was already out of bounds. Every step as they walked, they were trespassing God. So it wasn't like God had set a trap that they fell into? No, definitely not. You've given them clear instructions. Let me read in Numbers 4.15 which you referenced. It says, after Aaron and his sons have finished covering the holy furnishings and all the holy articles and when the camp is ready to move, the coethites are to come do the carrying. But they must not touch the holy things or they will die. There you go. And so, yeah, I think that with a question like this, again, it's so for us coming from our context, it does feel so jarring and kind of scary maybe, but we need to understand that they would have known that this was the way it was supposed to be. Yeah, and I think the gesture of the hand to us, of course, seems natural if something's falling. Catch it. Duh. That doesn't make sense, but in the story, God's, I think showing us that the issue isn't Uz's hand, it's Israel's heart. There you go. Because God's saying, you don't decide what's holy. That's what I do. And His holiness isn't flexible. His presence isn't casual. And so, while the touch is the final straw, like there's a consequence for that action, the spiritual problem has been growing for a while. They're comfortable around the ark. They chose not to use the poles. They chose to put it on the cart. When they should have always been placed, having this like holy fear or reverence, and instead they're like, oh, it's familiar. It's comfortable. No big deal. We'll throw it on the cart. Right. Thinking this is just a reflex or just a natural reaction could be really dangerous because what that says is His hands were cleaner than the ground. And it's like, oh, really? Is that the case? So dirt, dirt is not rebellious. Okay. Dirt does not sin. Yeah. Dirt obeys God because it's just dirt and it's just there. Human hearts are what falls short of holiness. The ground wouldn't defile the ark. We would. That's nice. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And I feel like He's treating it as plain, like what we're saying. He's just missing the fact that this is something that God has set apart. And so, in doing that, He's treating it as less than holy. And He's doing that in front of all of God's people. And this is a really big deal. Yes. Yeah. And we've talked about this before and we'll talk about it again, that God establishing His holiness all throughout the Old Testament is so unbelievably important for His people. And this is another example. Yeah. This story is meant to shock us. And it should also make sure that we see there's a need for a mediator. Like if this story feels intense, good. It's supposed to. Yeah. It happens when sinful people try to handle holiness without a savior. But the story doesn't end with judgment because the same God who struck us or what did He do? He also sent Jesus the true and better ark. Can we go there? Yeah. I know we're in the Old Testament, but Jesus took judgment on Himself so we could stand in God's presence without any fear whatsoever. That's right. So, this passage isn't about God being unfair. It's about God being far more holy, far more merciful than we really realize. And then we see this picture with David's reaction because what happens next? David stops this whole processional. He learns. And when the ark is moved again, it's done the right way. And so, as I think about, what does this mean for Emma? What's Emma's response to this story? God's holiness isn't meant to scare me. It's meant to shape me and inform my reverence. So David, he learned from this situation and the result was joy rather than judgment. But this week, we read a lot about David. Yes, we did. We saw him come up several times, which brings us to question two. Coming from day 127, 2 Samuel 614, David danced before the Lord with all his might, and David was wearing a linen ephod. So Kirsten, what's the next question? The question is from day 127, like you said, the question is, is David's example of worship one we should follow today? It is just so fun to be here. And as we're talking about dancing and 2 Samuel, this is an iconic book and this is an iconic moment of worship in Scripture right here. I might even call it the linen ephod two step. If I could. See, David dancing with all his might raises a very real question. Are we supposed to do this? Should everybody worship like this? But David's worship, it's a picture of the heart. It's a picture of the heart, not a prescription of follow these moves. David wasn't putting on a performance. He wasn't trying to be impressive. He wasn't saying, okay, I see everybody in the windows watching me. Now it's time to be extra. He was just responding to the grace and the presence of God with his whole being. The principle here isn't real worship means spinning, dancing wildly. That's not it. This is real worship means responding fully. For some people that might look like, hey, I need to lift my hands right now for the Lord. For others, it might mean just bowing your head and having quiet tears. For David in that moment, it looked like I have to dance for the Lord right now. And I think that's a really important point is that David is not giving us a prescription of this is what all worship looks like. This is just a description of this was how David was expressing himself before the Lord, showing his thankfulness before the Lord. And isn't that what worship is about? And so whatever that looks like for each of us individually, I think it's about checking our hearts when we're coming to worship the Lord and saying, okay, am I really here for you God? Like, am I really here to worship you, to thank you and whatever that looks like if it's lifting hands. I personally love a tambourine. And I was thinking about this. Okay. I didn't know this about learning things. She's got it in her bag. She might. Yeah. Next week. I'll bring it next week. But I was thinking, gosh, how fun because that to me feels so expressive and fun for me. Right. But not everyone's going to be able to. I don't think I'm a tambourine. I'm not a tambourine girl. That's my hands though. I might even jump around a little bit. The tambourine. The point just in this whole thing is wholeheartedness. It's not about a well choreographed routine. You know, David's worship was rooted in humility. I mean, even in 2 Samuel 622, he says, and I'll be even more undignified than this and we'll be humbled in my own sight. So he had humility. It wasn't about height. Yeah. As he did all that. So it's not because he wanted to draw attention to himself. It's not because of anything. He was just overwhelmed by God's glory. He didn't care about human approval. The Ark had came back. Yeah. That's something to be excited about. Yes. Exactly. Expression and worship can look different for different people and we see that throughout the scriptures. We see people who worship with raised hands. We see people who worship with movement or like you mentioned tears, weeping. Others though it's stillness and contemplation or a quiet reverence and both can be biblical and beautiful as long as the heart is pointed toward God. When we drift into worship that's marked by performance or even comparison like caring what other people think, then we're, are we even worshiping? Are we just going through the motions or seeking to please people rather than focusing our hearts on God? Yeah. And I think if our hearts are desiring to worship the Lord and we're seeking to worship him in spirit and truth, like Jesus said in John 4.24, that's what matters the most. God made us all different and so it's actually a good thing that our worship looks different, not only amongst the body of Christ, but I think in different scenarios as well. Like my worship is going to look different at a good Friday service than it does on Easter Sunday and that should be the way that it is. We're, we're understanding different things about, you know, where we're at in our relationship with God. Yeah. David's story shows worship ought to match revelation. You know, if we're going to move our body at concerts and college football games, you better be moving your body for Jesus. So good. I also like that David seems to care more about God's opinions than human opinions because Michael, how do you say it? Michael, Michael. Oh, his wife? Yeah. It's all daughter. Michael. But he's spelled with no E. I know. Yeah. Unique spelling. Michael. I criticized David because she didn't like how unguarded he looked. Yeah, there was some contempt there. Yeah. But David's like, hey, I am going to celebrate before the Lord in his priority was honoring God, not his personal image. He did not care how Michael viewed him. And I, I think that there's something about having that posture that says God is worthy of my full affection, whatever that honestly looks like for me. And I'm going to recognize that what that looks like for me will probably look different than it does for you. And that's okay. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the ark was returning to God's people. This was God's presence. This was a big moment of revelation in this time. Rescue had occurred. That called for celebration. You know, we've got a greater revelation today. God's present isn't in a box. It's in us through Jesus. Like that's something to always get the tambourine out, shake it a little bit and dance if you need to. If you need to. Amen. Yeah. You know, dancing isn't the only thing we can learn from David. That's true. You did a lot of other things. Yes, you did. Though dancing might be at the top of Kirsten's list as long as there's a tambourine. I do love it. As long as there's a tambourine. That's right. But question three is coming from day one, 29. And this recap and said, David seems like a great leader. What are some leadership principles from his life that have impacted you? This question comes from several passages, but one that was highlighted is 1 Chronicles 1814, which reads, So David reigned over all Israel and he administered justice and equity to all his people. So what can we learn from his leadership? What's impacted you? David's leadership is one of the richest studies in scripture. When you look at 1 Chronicles 18, you see a snapshot of David leading during one of Israel's healthiest times, a most unified season. And those words, justice and righteousness show that, well, with justice, one thing is he made the right decisions. With righteousness, he made them in the right spirit. So he didn't just make calls. David made biblical calls. He didn't just do things in this expeditious, speedy way. He did what was right. So that helps me be mindful that it's not about being popular in leadership. It's also not about being passive. I'm to be faithful in my call with the calls that the Lord calls me to make for his church. Whether that be direction, discipline, vision, care, I want to lead with that same balance. Have the courage to do what's right and the character to do it in the right way. And those names that you read off, David built teams, but he didn't build teams in, let me make my own little personality cult and place this person here and have this person here. I know he had commanders, priests, royal advisors, and what stands out is that David did not lead alone. He did not do it alone. He surrounded himself with capable, godly leaders, empowered them, wasn't intimidated by them, was strengthened by them. It is not a solo act. And this podcast is a beautiful picture of it. Y'all are doing this together. So this is the way that David led with others. Yeah, that's cool. I think two big things impacted me from thinking about David's life. So the first was David exhibited great trust in the Lord and in God's plans for his life. And then second, David had confidence in waiting on the Lord and for the Lord. And so, and I think I see these really go hand in hand. Like David knew and believed that God had anointed him to be the next king of Israel. And so David was confident in that calling and therefore he trusted that God would be the one to bring about God's purposes to fruition in David's life. And I mean, that's an area for me where I'm a go getter. If I see a goal or something that I feel like either I want or even that God, it feels like God would be calling me into, I kind of want to jump ahead and be like, oh, cool. Okay. Thanks so much for just opening that door for me, God. I'm so good to just run on ahead and figure this out. And that is not what we see in David's life. And there were multiple instances where he could have taken matters into his own hands and kind of seized the throne in some way and he doesn't. And I think that is just so remarkable and really impactful for me as I consider his leadership. Totally. I, it's just funny you said times when he could have seized the throne and he didn't. What stands out to me about David's leadership is the extensive length of time between when God calls him and when he actually starts leading, when God publicly uses him. There is a long time between his anointing and First Samuel 16 and his appointing. I mean, we're talking years when he actually started ruling. And so what did he do in between? He shepherded the fields. He was pretty unseen, but faithful. And those hidden seasons do not look anything at all like his years as the king. They were very different, but that example has impacted me because what I see is that big dreams or big goals or big aspirations or even what feels like a big job often starts with a small beginning. And you need that small beginning because that's where God builds character. Why could David face Goliath while he'd had practice in the fields protecting the sheep? And so for me, I often want to rush to the next step, the next promotion, the next level. I just want to level up, get better, be better, get to the bigger thing. But I need the time in between. I need God to work in my heart. I need God to develop my skills and my character and my integrity. I can't just race to the next thing. David did not race to the next thing and was constantly seeking the Lord. Whether it be in battles and decisions, even in failures, all throughout first and second Samuel, you see this repeated phrase, David inquired of the Lord. David inquired of the Lord. And I just, I'm not going to keep saying it, but his success wasn't about personality. It wasn't about strategy. It was dependence. So when God said go, he went. When God said, wait, Psalm 2714, wait on the Lord, be of good courage, wait on the Lord. And when he failed, he turned back in repentance. So what shapes me and pastoring is before I preach, before I go, before I confront, before I care, dream, leave the house, the words are, Lord, what do you want? What do you want? I don't want to lead on instinct alone. I want this intimacy led leadership that David teaches throughout his walk with the Lord. He had great leadership and it came from the secret place, not the spotlight. Yeah, the secret place. And if I'm not ready to follow the Lord or serve in obscurity or be content just meeting with Jesus, I am not ready to serve in a place of prominence. And I recently heard someone say, if you can't move chairs, you can't move people. The idea was a heart of service should be much more generalized than it is specialized. So what I mean by that is my attitude toward doing things for God, if you will, should be one that says, it's not about me, it's about living for Jesus and helping others see his character rightly. So if I am only wanting to do the things that Emma likes to do, I'm probably out of line. There's probably a little pride creeping in. There you go. Yeah. So true. Yeah. And I think in those places, that's really where God works out our humility. You know, that's where you're learning to rely on God, depend on God, be humble before him and say, okay, God, your will be done in my life. And whether that looks like you're the king of Israel or something else, yeah, or Mama for or serving faithfully in your church, but it's totally behind the scenes. Like you can lead from all those different places and the kind of leadership that we see God build up and that we see Jesus show us as our example in the New Testament is a servant leader who's willing to wash people's feet. And I feel like that comes from those seasons of waiting and where God is really working out your godly character. It's not about leading perfectly. Just lead dependently. Yes, that's good. That's it. That's a great place to end. I know we could keep talking about this one, but we got to keep going. So Kirsten, what's the next question? All right. Our next question is coming from day 133, specifically 2 Samuel 1115. And so let me read the question and then we'll do the verse. So the question is, I struggle to understand how David, the man after God's own heart, got to such a dark place. How do we make sense of this drift? And so I think we know where this is coming from. We've got the story with David and Bathsheba and Uriah. So in 2 Samuel 1115, it says, in the letter, David wrote, set Uriah in the forefront of the hardest fighting and then draw back from him that he may be struck down and die. This right here is one of the most heartbreaking parts of David's story. And we've talked a lot about him. It reminds us that even people with a real love for God can start drifting if we don't guard our hearts. We have to guard our hearts. So just some truths around that. David didn't fall in a moment. It wasn't just this happened and boom, it was a complete fall, but he drifted over time. So sin rarely, it can show up and boom and it's a blowout and everything's bad, but it starts with these small compromises. David just go unchallenged. So by the time we reach 2 Samuel 11, where do we see David? In the spring where kings are supposed to be in a certain place, he's not where kings are supposed to be. He's isolated from accountability. He's comfortable. He's kind of bored, spiritually unguarded. He's relying on his power instead of what we've been talking about, God's presence. And it was in this moment where he was unaddressed, a little bit vulnerable and a slow, quiet drift just started to happen until one day it becomes visible. So this is where the proverb of above all else, guard your heart, really does connect with David's story. Yeah, because we see earlier in his life, he had people who would speak to him, people like Samuel, Jonathan, Abigail and even strangers that God had sent to talk to David. But in 2 Samuel 11, no one stops him. No one challenges him. They don't question him. The circle is silent and it also shows isolation is dangerous. It gets easiest to drift when we isolate ourselves, when those voices that will correct us, will call us out. We either ignore them or they stop speaking up or we quit pursuing them. We no longer have the beauty of the church of other believers who help us keep following Jesus faithfully. Yeah. And I think so we talked about David being a man after God's own heart a few episodes ago, so in episode 15. So if you haven't listened to that yet, go ahead and check that out. And TLC also referenced this in May's Reflections and Corrections episode. And so check that one out too because we'll link to both of those in the show notes here. But what we've been clear to say in both of these places and what Marvin kind of already alluded to is that being a man after God's own heart in no way meant that David was perfect or sinless. And so I think that's a really important distinction when we see something so grievous as this sin against Bathsheba and Uriah. So we do just want to kind of just clarify that like, yeah, whatever the shock of this story in David's life is, that's the right response. We should be shocked because again, he should be leading his army, but instead he has abandoned really the position that God has called him to at this point in the story. So as we walk day to day with Jesus, we got to realize proximity to God in the past doesn't protect you from temptation in the present. Yes. Say that again. Being a man after God's heart doesn't mean David was incapable of sin. It means he was oriented toward God, responsive toward God and quick to return to God. So just because you have some history with the Lord, that's good, but it's never going to be a good substitute with, I don't have to have intimacy with the Lord anymore. Seeking the Lord today in the present. Exactly. In the present. And really constantly relying on God, even if we're in a situation where we think, oh, I've done this already. You know, it's like, no, we need the kind of relationship that God invites us into, the beauty of the relationship with God is that we get to depend on him because we are his creatures. We are his kids. Like he made us and we need to depend on him. And so I think this is another reminder of maybe someone who just again was drifting away over time. We don't know in this story. We don't know what David's relationship was like exactly, but we know that something was off. I do. Yeah. I think there's also probably somebody listening who's thinking, oh no, so what do I do if I have drifted? But then I think what's really helpful to point out is that this title, Man After God's Own Heart, was given to David before this incident, but it wasn't revoked after the incident. God never said, never mind. You're not. And David's constantly referenced back to in later scripture. Yes, exactly. So as both of you have pointed out, it had more to do with the direction of his heart in response to God than perfect behavior. The behavior often flowed from his heart posture, but being after God's heart also means that you return to God when you face failure. When you have those days where you miss the mark, you mess up, you fall short. What does David do in Psalm 51? There you go. He comes back, repents, asks the Lord to forgive him, acknowledges that he messed up. That's it Emma. The hope in David's story is this, God sends a Nathan. God interrupts the drift, exposes the sin not to crush David, but to restore him. And David responds, not with excuses, but let me repent. Psalm 51 is proof. His failure doesn't define him. His repentance does. That's a highlight. Amen. I love that. You got anything else? You feel good? I think that that's great. Thank you. Alrighty. Our next question, it comes from, you want to guess what day, Marvin? You got to guess. 50. No, we did not read day 50 this week, but you're off by about 80 days. Okay. Okay. Day 130. Okay. And it comes from Psalm 50, 23, which reads, the one who offers thanksgiving as a sacrifice glorifies me. To one who orders his way rightly, I will show the salvation of God. Yes. So the question. I find Thanksgiving really challenging, but it seems like it's important to God. True. Can you explain more about what it means to offer Thanksgiving as a sacrifice? Though I've never been great with numbers, Emma. I do know that Psalm 50 does end with a lot of spiritual maturity. It says the one who offers Thanksgiving, which means praises as his sacrifice glorifies me. So this Thanksgiving as a sacrifice because it's going to cost your perspective. A sacrifice is something that you give up. A sacrifice is something that costs you. And sometimes the hardest thing to surrender isn't time. It's not money. It's the way that we view our situation. So when life is disappointing, when prayers go unanswered, when anxiety gets real, giving thanks does not feel natural. It feels costly. Thanksgiving is going to force you to shift from, okay, this is the way I see it, but this is what God promised. Yes, these are the things that are missing in my life that I'm hopeful for, but I do know what God has given. It's true that I feel this thing, but the bigger truth is that God said this thing. The shifting is the sacrifice. Yeah. I like that so much because I think as I was considering this question, I'm like, well, yeah, sacrifices cost us something. And so I think I really resonate with this kind of like Thanksgiving is hard in my head. It shouldn't be hard, but that's where we're off a little bit because anything that we're sacrificing to the Lord should cost us something. It does. That's what a sacrifice is. And so I think recognizing that Thanksgiving is difficult, it felt really freeing to me to realize, oh no, this is, like I'm not doing it wrong. There's not something off. This can be hard. Sometimes it's not hard, but it can be challenging. And so that's okay. Totally. That's part of it. Yeah, it's okay for it to be challenging. I was thinking about how Thanksgiving recenters our hearts on who God is rather than how we feel. Yes. So in Psalm 50, God isn't asking for more rituals or more animals on the altar. He's asking for this heart in the follower that remembers him and sees things or reminds themselves of how God sees things. And so Thanksgiving is pulling your attention back to God's character and the truth about who he is despite our circumstances. And it's honoring him because it's declaring a trust in him before the circumstances change or a trust in him even if the circumstances never change. Yeah, that's really important. Yeah, Psalm 50 might end pretty, but Psalm 50 is a courtroom scene where God is confronting his people because their worship had become mechanical. Their worship had become heartless. They were offering animals, but there was no affection there. They were performing rituals, but trust was absent. Thanksgiving cuts through all of that. It directly challenges the lies that creep in where we can be like, God just isn't good. God forgot about me. God didn't come through. When you thank God in a hard season, what you're doing is you're declaring, I trust your character even when I don't understand whatsoever the circumstances that I am in. That's what praise in Thanksgiving is. Yeah. And I think there's an important distinction from Thanksgiving and just gratitude in general. And I think you're touching on this a little bit, Emma, where Thanksgiving acknowledges the giver God because it is delivered to him. And so practically, this could look like writing down three things you're thankful for every day. It could be calling a friend, sharing what you're thankful for, and praying together and thanking God for those things, really recognizing that it's coming from him. Or it could even look like spending five minutes thanking God in your car. Before you pop into work, before you thanking God that you got groceries, that you were able to go to the grocery store. It's something as simple as that. Thanksgiving also, Kirsten, it does something miraculous because it can point us to Jesus. Every sacrifice in the Old Testament, it pointed forward. To the better sacrifice. The better sacrifice and Thanksgiving is no exception. So when we offer thanks and difficult moments, what we're doing is we're aligning ourselves with Jesus himself. Check this. Jesus, he thanked God the Father in Luke 2219 right before he was about to be betrayed. It was an upcoming moment of pain, but he thanked the Father for it. He was thanking the Father through the pain because he saw purpose beyond it. Okay, but riddle me this. It's so much easier said than done. It is. Of course, we can talk about it all day. In Jesus, he was perfect, so of course he did it perfectly. As we wrap up for you two, what does this look like personally? Because for me, it's like, I don't know, following the examples of the Psalmist and journaling out prayers. If I'm struggling with the circumstance that I desperately want to change and it's not changing, thankfulness looks like disciplining myself to communicate with God by writing out a prayer reminding myself of what is true about him. You do care about me. You do see me. You are all knowing. Your ways are better. How do you guys cope? Copes may be not the right word, but how do you practice Thanksgiving when you don't like your circumstances? So when marriage communication might be tough, when the kids are beating me up, when folks at the church might not be believing the best about me, when the day is hard, I don't feel like the last thing I communicated about the word of God really got to the heart. That is what drives me to knee bone valley. And that's just being on my knee bone path. I'm just going to name the place where I am just dependent and saying, Lord, you still have my yes in all the areas that you've called me to be the man that you've called me to be. You still have my yes. So even when it feels like everything is missed, messed up in raggedy, I'm still going to trust you, Jesus, and you're still good. Yeah. And I think for me, it's I'm more of like a journal or I like some of my suggestions are writing things down. I think that that's really helpful. And I think sometimes it is the most simple thing in the world to say, thank you, God, that today I am loved by you. Just that, saying that a few times, recognizing that a few times, writing it down, that can change my whole perspective for the day. So whether that's in the morning, maybe like a coffee break sometime in the afternoon or before laying in bed at night, thank you, God, that you love me today. Thank you that you have loved me and that you're there for me. Something as simple as that, I feel like really helps. Thank you that you've shown me your love through the gift of salvation through Jesus. Thank you that even though maybe I don't like my circumstances because there is a result of poor choices I made. Thank you, Lord, that you sent your son to die for these decisions I made that have led me to this circumstance. What a gift that my poor decisions do not affect my eternal standing before the Lord. Amen. Amen. Whether it be a wounded place or a vacating place where we're heading to a place of bliss, offering thanksgiving is an act of worship. Amen. It is. Amen. Well, Marvin, thank you so much for being here with us. What a treat. You two are fantastic, awesome, and I had a blast being with you, being in the scriptures, and loving y'all. Thanks, Marvin. Well, thank you so much. Thanks for taking a deep dive with us. We'll see you again next week as we continue to read, understand, and love the Bible, and the God who wrote it.