The Bride! Reactions + Oscars 2026: Can Sinners Upset One Battle After Another?

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Hello, Everybody. This is ScreenTalk, and it's live in New York with Ryan Lattanzio and Ann Thompson.

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I'm here with Anne Thompson, who is here in New York. Good to see you, Erin.

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Good to see you, Ryan. So this is our special Oscar podcast. We're going to go through all the. Not all, most of the categories. We're gonna save the three short categories for next week.

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I need to watch those shorts.

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I'm okay. I have to finish the docs as usual. As most people, that's always the last one. We're gonna talk also about the new Oscar rules, which everyone's asking about, which has to do with you're supposed to see every movie in every category now for the first time, which has always

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been the case, but supposed to.

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But now they make an honor system. So we'll expand. Will explain that it's a pretty drastic change.

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But actually, before we get into that, we have to debate the major release opening this week, which is Maggie Gyllenhaal's the Bride, which I know you just saw the other day. I saw on Monday and reviewed, and I have to say it was quite disastrous. So I'd like to hear from you first.

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I bet it was fun to write about.

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It was fun because there's plenty to discuss. There is. There is. There's plenty to discuss. But I don't really know what the movie is asking me to be discussing.

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But, you know, that's the issue. You were right to suggest that putting this movie in March was a bad sign, you know, because it means that the studio thought it was a weak commercial entry. And it's a weak commercial entry.

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I think also the studio wanted to keep it out. Warner Brothers wanted to keep it out of its banner year that was a huge success last year. That kind of started off bumpy with Mickey 17, but then afterward, Mike DeLuca and Pam Abdy were really on a roll, and the Bride might have staggered that a little bit.

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Yeah, no, they did not want that to be in there. So this is one of those things where the filmmaker is going with all of her crazy ideas and her imagination and she's Maddie Gyllenhaal and she's throwing it all in there and she never figures out how to make it work. It's like she threw in more things to try to make it more interesting. So you have the Frankenstein character played by Christian Bale, and he actually does a very good job. He seems to have a handle on his character. For better or for worse. It interested him. The problem is, why are we doing another Frankenstein right now? The timing couldn't be worse. Warner Brothers must not have had a clue that they were going to have a huge Oscar contender juggernaut right before them.

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Well, originally it was pegged to open in the fall and predicted to be at the Venice Film Festival where Frankenstein premiered. So, you know, and this, you know my feelings about Frankenstein. This makes Frankenstein look like a masterpiece by comparison. Yeah, I had a really tough time with this movie. And it's funny that it is, that it's opening. Voting has closed for the Oscars, obviously,

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but closed on Thursday.

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Closed on Thursday, but it's opening contemporaneously with Jesse Buckley's probable win for Best Actor Actress. And, you know, she gives this kind of anguish scream of a performance in this movie as a woman named Eda. Probably some sort of reference to Ida Lupino or something. I don't really know who is in a kind of psychic communion with the actual Mary Shelley in Chicago, but then Maggie Gyllenhaal uses her as a kind of mouthpiece for a lot of MeToo issues that I felt were very dated and also not really clear. They screen tested this movie into oblivion. It's a reported $80 million budget, but I didn't walk away feeling like it was like a noble folly. It just is very incoherent and messy.

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I agree. I mean, my philosophy, of course, is that we should encourage the Pam and Michaels of the world to give filmmakers their head occasionally. But this is not the right time. I can't imagine what this script looked like. I mean, first of all, yeah, she's in communion with Mary Shelley. Christian Bale wants a mate. He talks. The Doctor, played awfully, by the way, by Annette Ben.

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Completely inert.

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Awful, awful. He talks. And it's, you know, you know, she's a great actress, so it's not her fault. This is what Maggie Gyllenhaal wanted her to do. She, the one body in the whole cemetery that he digs up is the one who's in communion with Mary Shelley

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and happens to be a redhead because he is actually seeking a Ginger Rogers type, because he has a kind of fetish and an obsession with a kind of Fred Astaire stand in that's played by Jake Gyllenhaal.

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Okay, he's fine, you know, but none of it makes any sense. None of it connects. And there's. So the two of them start getting on this sort of. She's a bit of a gangster's moll, and they start getting into this sort of rebellion, this Bonnie and Clyde kind of routine. But you never see her really developing feelings for him. There's no relationship, really. Suddenly they're in cahoots and suddenly she's

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giving him a blowjob and literally licking his wounds. In this movie, it does function. If you were ever wondering, the penis does work. Yeah. It's a really strange way of homaging Bonnie and Clyde, I think, and Natural Born Killers and films like that. The other aspect that really irritated me was the styling and the costuming. I felt like Sandy Powell was almost kind of making costumes as she might, perhaps for herself in real life. And I said this before, but there is a quality to it that is sort of similar to Hot Topic, I would say, meets the Arkham Asylum, basically. I did not understand the costuming at all. You're praising Christian Bale's performance. I felt it was strangely familiar. He's again slimming down to Ozempic Wastrol levels.

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He wasn't that skinny.

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Well, he's not the fighter skinny, but he's certainly. He's looking quite frail in this movie.

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I thought he was still pretty hot. Sorry. In my world, Christian Bale can do no wrong, and I'm not blaming him. This is a. You know, this is just one of those utter and complete disasters. And I don't know what Abdi and DeLuca were thinking.

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Audiences are not going to enjoy this movie. It's predicted to open somewhere between 15 and 20 million domestically, which means there's gonna be a huge drop next weekend. Probably a horrible cinema score. It's not looking good for this one.

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No, it's not. You know, it's also the worst thing. It's a sort of gangster movie, slash horror. But it's not horror at all. It's really not. So it's not going to function as a genre movie for the audience. It doesn't scare anybody.

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It's scary. It's not romantic.

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It's nothing for anyone, you know.

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No Maggie Gyllenhaal in interviews, like, there was a Times interview where she said, you know, I'm trying to tell the Truth in a big pop entertainment movie. I'm sort of like, what? The truth about what? I don't. I have no idea what the movie.

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Well, first of all, you don't know the plot. You don't know the origin story. Some of it is revealed toward the end. You don't understand what's going on most of the time. And the Penelope Cruz character is even worse than Annab Benning character. She's playing a detective who does all the work and doesn't get any of the credit because she's a woman.

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Like a girl Friday.

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Exactly. Yeah. She's dressed like his girl Friday. Yeah. There are a lot of homages in

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this movie, but they're meaningless. They're just sort of pasted on. I don't really know what they're trying to achieve.

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And Jessie Buckley might have had a prayer of creating a character if she wasn't being inhabited by this Mary Shelley thing. That's where it all goes crazy and never works.

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And her performance, it's not my favorite Jesse Buckley performance. It's kind of careening between either screaming into the void or maniacally laughing when there's not really. She's unsure what else to be.

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We're beating this to death. We're beating this together. So let's get to the Oscar predictions. I will write something more exhaustive later next week. I guess we have a race for once.

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We do. Yeah. It's actually exciting and unpredictable, which is nice.

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It's not the usual snowball down the hill where you know what's going to win in every category. Jessie Buckley is about the only one that we can actually count on. I mean, we can get the crafts fairly solid.

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It's funny, there was something this week about Jessie Buckley, about how she hates cats. I don't know if you saw that.

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Oh, no. Is that going to kill her?

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Well, I don't know. It's like when you're a man, you can be like a pedophile and a rapist and still win an Oscar. But if a woman. You don't like cats. Actually, though, I think not liking cats is kind of a red flag. But she basically said in an interview that she asked her boyfriend to re home one of his cats before they moved in together. And of course, now they're married. So people are upset about that. No, it's not gonna take her chances. No. She definitely seems like the surest bet of anybody here.

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Yeah. And so you've got the two movies that are going against each other one battle after another, which everybody thought was the front runner, and that could not be denied. But after the Screen Actors Awards, Sinners suddenly became a viable opt. It had that feel in the room. And they went wild when Michael B. Jordan won. They went wild when Sinners won in the room. And it reminded me of Parasite. That was the thing where it won SAG and then it surprised everybody. It was supposed to win international. It was supposed to win writing. It wasn't supposed to go on and win picture direct because 1917 won the PGA. 1917 won the Director's Guild. So this was. This is the comparison where you have the precursors heading in one direction and maybe a surge of sentiment going in the other.

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Yeah, no, I mean, the sentiment seems veering towards Sinners at the moment, especially after the SAG Awards. I don't know if I should say this, but I also feel like probably what happened at the BAFTAs, like, has probably, you know, probably scored it a few votes. I mean, Sinners deserves to win on its own terms, but this is political campaigning in the end, and I do feel like that might have had a little bit of influence.

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We are referring to the Tourette's sufferer who laid out the N word when Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo were presenting. And they handled it with dignity and grace.

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Yeah. And now they're being forced to relive it in all of their.

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I know Delroy had to talk about that.

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I saw that on that pr. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's lay out. What do we think Sinners is going to win? And what do we think one battle after another is going to win?

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You go first.

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I'm pretty positive that Sinners, this period horror musical that we basically all saw a year ago and have been talking about since we're kind of ready to turn the page, is definitely going to win Best Original Screenplay. It's going to be Ludwig Goransson's third best original score winner, no question. And I think Francine Mazur is going to win the first Best Casting award. And also, it definitely has a shot at winning cinematography because people, you know, Oscar voters love making a record. And Autumn Gerald Arkhipow will be the first woman to win. And then, of course, we can also talk about Ryan Coogler potentially being the first black Best Director to win. Anne, what do you think Sinners has a shot at?

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Okay, so my. I'm agreeing with you on everything you just said. And the. I'm gonna go. Let's look at Best Picture and Best Actor later, because those are iffier. They're True contests, and we don't know for sure who's gonna win. So I'm gonna say that one battle after another is gonna win Best Picture. Cinematography could go to one battle after another because Michael bauman won the BAFTAs and the BSC. We don't know who won the ASC. That's gonna help us figure out what's gonna win cinematography. A lot of people think it's Train Dreams, which I would love to have happen.

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Yeah, of course.

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So that it could win something, but I don't think it will.

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Train Dreams won some critics awards for cinematography in the beginning. But the Momentum Spirits. Oh, that's true. Spiritual Spirits. Train Dreams did very well.

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Yes. Yes, it did. Yeah. But that's not the. I mean, there is some overlap with the Academy, but I'm confident that Paul Thomas Anderson, who has 11 Oscar nominations and no wins, he's long overdue. He's really respected and admired, and he will win Best Director and Adapted Screenplay for sure.

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Very confident. And Best Director for him as well.

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Yeah. And then. And also editing.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Yeah. People always say it. Yeah. That the editing. They all talk about that last sequence. That's the thing that kills them.

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The sequence on the hills. Oh, yes. The car chase. The car chase in the hills. I thought you meant the sequence of Chase infinity running off to be a revolutionary, which we could talk about that another day. But I actually think that scene was very unnecessary.

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No, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking about the hills. The hills. The hills. But this movie has won so many of the right precursors. We've got pga, dga, Scripter Awards, which is predictive. BAFTA and ace. So I think it will win Best Picture. I do.

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I just. To make things interesting for myself, I'm gonna say Sinners is gonna win Best Picture. I mean, it was really. I know that the Academy is what, 11,000 people. SAG is a very different body. But you really felt the love and the room for that at sag. I mean, part of that had to do with the sort of strategic selection of Michael. I'm sorry. Samuel L. Jackson and Viola Davis as presenters.

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Viola Davis delivered.

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Yeah. But, you know, I was kind of going through recent Oscar history. There's things like La La Land, which was winning every Precursor Award and then didn't win Best Picture. Moonlight wasn't really winning a lot of awards at the time. These are different scale movies. Of course, then something like Spotlight, which didn't win the PGA for, you know, Best Film. And that went to the big short of all things. And then there were other movies like the Hurt Locker, Million Dollar Baby Now. And then you mentioned Parasite. We're going really way back. But the precursor of it all wasn't consistent with these.

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It's possible. And the other thing that really strikes me this year is that because we have this prolonged voting period and the Olympics are responsible for that, it isn't always in March like this. March 15th is very late for the Oscars. It's usually late February or early March.

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I remember 2020, it was February 9th. That was nice. Yeah, that was nice. We'd be done.

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Oh, we'd be long gone. But what it means is that there was time for all these front runners to slack to peak. There was time for other things to happen, like these awards having an impact during the voting period. And I have this weird feeling that sinners could happen because of this.

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Yeah.

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I mean, and Timothee Chalamet could lose his lead.

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Well, all right. Well, let's talk about the acting.

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So Chalamet, a lot of the people who are out there predicting still think he has a good chance. I think that everything we were talking about all season hurt him because people are talking about that. They're saying they didn't like the way he behaved. They're saying they don't like him.

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Yeah, people have really turned on him, and I think he was too thirsty. He read as being kind of desperate for it. And he's young. People will see him as like, if he doesn't win this, it's like a Leonardo DiCaprio situation. He will get it eventually. He's very young now. It may not happen now. I mean, I think the distaste feelings for him kind of started to curdle when he said at the SAG Awards last year, I want to be one of the greats. You know, that kind of pomposity, I think read people wrong. And it's been interesting to see he's really out there now, and he's been

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trying to pull it back. I mean, the interview with McConaughey was quite lovely, actually. I liked him in that interview. But it was interesting to me. He was questioning his choice of Wonka, even though it did really well. It wasn't cool. Yeah, he's a little too worried about being cool.

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It is. It's not good to be questioning your choices like that. I remember at the New York Film Festival, after party of the secret screening, he just stayed at a table with Kylie Jenner the whole time he wasn't working the room. And now, of course, now you kind of see him, like, I heard at the luncheon, he was taking all kinds of selfies with people, but. No, but he did all of these kind of publicity stunts, like getting whatever that sphere on the sphere. Yeah, I keep calling it the Dome, the Sphere. Or it's like this rap video that he posted. And now, of course, you see him in very demure wares.

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Yes. He completely changed his Persona and in effect, became inauthentic.

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I think he looked deflated when he did not win the SAG Award. And I feel like that moment when the camera's on you and you lose, that's when you really need to bring out acting skills.

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It's a very important skill. Very important skill. So Michael B. Jordan, it would be very unusual for him to win because he hasn't won anything else except sag. So I really feel, though, that there is so much love for Sinners that this is the award they're going to give it.

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Yeah, I just don't see a world where there's going to be four white acting winners also, especially with the.

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The.

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The. The diversity that we've seen all year and. And the Strength of Sinners, because if Timothee Chalamet wins, that's kind of what we would be looking at.

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That's true. Jesse Buckley and. And. All right, well, let's see what happens in the supporting categories. I'm betting on Sentimental Values still, and there's reasons for this. Okay, so Stalin, Skarsgard, he won at the Globes. He lost at the Critics Choice to Jacob Elordi, which is a mainstream group. I'm a member, and I know who they are. Okay.

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Yeah, I'm not a member. I don't know if I intend to be one.

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And then you have. And then you have the SAG awards, where he wasn't even nominated. The BAFTAs. He lost to Sean Penn. Sean had never won at the BAFTAs, and they loved him and they gave him the award. But we can count on the Academy seeing Sentimental Values. They gave it nine Oscar nominations, four of them actors.

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I think it could lose all of them.

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Oh, so you don't think Stellan has a chance?

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No, I think he has a chance. It's probably between Stallone and Sean Penny. It's funny, like, I can't think of the precedent for this at the Oscars, but in terms of Sean Penn, it's

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just like he won twice already.

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These. These movies where it's like, someone who's, like, a racist or abuser, it's like the person playing that always wins rather than the actress playing the people that he's oppressing, which I find really interesting. But. Yeah, no, he already has two. It's just hard to imagine that Sean Penn's gonna join the three time winners

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club because people don't like him. They respect him. They know what a great actor he is. And you're right. He gives the showiest scene showing performance you could hope for. Actors love that, and actors are the main group in the Academy. But I think that Stellan Skarsgrd has been around for a long time. I mean, a lot of people have worked with him. Dune. A lot of the television work that he's done that's extraordinary, like Chernobyl, you know, he's really. He's been in so many different things from the beginning of his career with Lars Von Trier all the way through. You know, he's. I mean, think about that Dune villain. I mean, that was scary stuff.

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Yeah, he should have been nominated for that.

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Park Conan. Yeah. Anyway, I think he's been around, and it's not like people don't know him. Does he have the heat right now? No, he doesn't. But that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.

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All right, well, I accept that. I'm gonna go with Pen. I'm go with Pen.

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You're probably right.

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Yeah.

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Okay. And then we have Sporting Actress. Okay, what's your bet?

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I'm gonna say Amy Mad again. You know, her speech at the SAG Awards was really charming. You know, she was nominated in 1985, so she's almost 40 years ago. She's almost a record holder for the longest period. Yeah, exactly. One thing maybe working against her. I don't know. It's kind of an underseen movie. And it's the only nomination for Weapons,

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but I didn't even get makeup.

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No, it didn't. Or screenplay, which you kind of saw that pop up in some other places. But I pulled some winners of movies where it was the only nomination that they also won, which was Julianne Moore for Still Alice. Of course, that's Julianne Moore, and that was just actress. Christopher Plummer for Beginners, Penelope Cruz for Vicky, Christina Barcelona, Forest Whitaker for Last King of Scotland, and Marisa Tomei, also for My Cousin Vinnie.

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That was one of the great shockers. Yeah. At the time. Yeah. No, I think Amy Madigan won. She won at Critic's Choice and she won at sag. And I think that this is a winning momentum that will continue. And I agree with you. I think she'll take it. And the reason for that is that Teyana Taylor hasn't happened. And maybe the coattails that we all expected are going to lend themselves to. Sean, Pennsylvania I have a theory about Teyana Taylor that as extraordinary as she is in the movie, as iconic, I think that word is overused, but it might be appropriate for her. Do you agree?

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I agree. Yeah. And it's a word I overuse all the time.

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We shouldn't use it, either of us.

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No, but I do.

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And I need to. But there's something that people about her character, the great perfidia Beverly Hills, that make people uncomfortable. There's. It's a sexualized character.

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Yeah. Well, she's kind of explained that in some interviews and, you know, kind of recontextualize it, but it may have been too late. The other thing is, is that her character obviously is only in the beginning of the movie and she peaks in the beginning of the movie. And then, you know, she gives this voiceover in terms of this letter that's shared with her daughter at the end, but she's not in very much of the film.

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It may be that this is a Paul Thomas Anderson show more than anything, and not the actors from one battle after another, which is a sign of weakness, which could lead to senators. So is Wunmi Masaki. So I interpreted her win at Wunmi Misaka's win at BAFTA as a local win and it didn't repeat at sag. Do you think it could repeat at the Oscars?

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I don't think so.

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Okay, so we're going with Amy Madagain. Okay. We're both agreed on that. Okay. So for the rest of the crafts, you can basically go down the line with the BAFTAs. Frankenstein should take hair at makeup, costume and production design. Do you agree with that?

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Yeah, I don't have much interesting to say about the craft raises which are gonna. Other than cinematography and editing, I think are gonna be really predictable, obviously. Sound, I think that's gonna be F1.

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I agree with that.

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What do you think?

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VFX, the absence Seurat is a shot. There are people who like Seurat, but I don't think it's enough.

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Now, that would be really interesting if it won Visual Effects. Both Avatar movies have won this category. I expect that to repeat. Do you agree with that?

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I agree with that. No question. That's going to be the one win for Fire and Ash. The thing about sound, though, is that you can have a whiplash or a sound of metal or sound of metal winning in that category, even though they're smaller and not as usually, it's the big noisy. And that's what we're thinking of with F1, the big point. It's a very good point. So Seurat is a possibility. If enough people saw it. I doubt that they did, honestly, because that's an international film. But so is Zone of Interest.

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Yeah. And Silent Metal is a very small movie also. Even though it was Amazon.

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Yeah. So that covers most of the. So international. Sentimental Value.

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I don't know. I think the Secret Agent. I do. Okay. Well, there's a world where also it could be it was just an accident due to recent events. You don't think so?

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I can tell you from the beginning, I felt, even though it won the Palme d' or, and people admire him and he's extraordinary and the stories he has to tell are horrifying. And this situation in Iran is horrifying. Obviously, we're very upset. He's very upset. He probably is happy that the Ayatollah Kahomeini got killed. There are a lot of people who are rejoicing in that particular.

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Yeah. And the feelings are very complex about that. Absolutely.

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But the bottom line is, did they like the movie? And I think they admired the movie.

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Yeah. It's not a warm film in the way that I would say that. Obviously, Sentimental Value kind of envelops you in good feelings in the end. And even the Secret Agent, which is very sad, also does that as well, just by virtue of Wagner Moore's presence. And don't forget, he's nominated. But then, of course, Sentimental Value has multiple nominees. Yeah. And four acting nominees, so.

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And then Sentimental Value and Secret Agent are the two, as opposed to it was just an accident that are nominated for Best Picture. Right. So that's a big deal. And Secret Agent also was nominated for casting, which is also a big deal, I think.

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Yeah. I don't know the makeup of Brazilians in the Academy, but I'm just going off of the fervor around. I'm still here, which I know some of that had to do with the fall of Emilia Perez, but Brazilians know how to help mount a grassroots Oscar campaign. Not that Neon didn't know what it had in its hands on.

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I'm told that this grows into more of a Latin American thing, or it extends to Spanish speakers everywhere. It isn't just Brazil. I've been told that there's a big block that could be voting for Secret Agent and it's very popular. But at the same time, It's a quieter, more ruminative, thoughtful movie. They don't always go that way.

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And even a little experimental, I would say.

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I agree.

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There's a lot of cinematic references. There's a lot of stylistic flourishes and different modes and genres that Klaber Mendoncefilho is kind of speaking in. Whereas sentimental value, it's like, it aims for the heart and it's very accessible.

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It's a family drama and it's a father daughter drama. And it's also about a filmmaker, you know, trying to come back. There's a lot of things for people to relate to there, and it's just extraordinary filmmaking.

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Yeah, you've got a lot of hope in sentimental values, so I admire that. I'm going with Secret Agent.

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All right. I know that there's a surge for Secret Agent, but part of why that is is recency bias. I think a lot of people are catching up with it at the end of the day. So we'll see if enough of them saw it. Right.

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Finally we got best documentary. It's going to be the perfect neighborhood.

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It's going to be the perfect neighborhood.

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No question.

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If there was one movie that would catch up with it. Mr. Nobody against Putin.

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Oh, sure, yeah.

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Which won the BAFTA is wonderful and lovely.

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Yeah. No, this will be one of the handful of Netflix wins. And the first documentary of theirs that's Once and My Octopus Teacher, which, if there's ever an Oscar that should be rescinded, stop. Send me that one.

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It was so popular. I remember everyone was talking about it that year. It was funny.

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People had pandemic goggles on.

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I think there was a backlash after that. It was like, no more Netflix for a long time. But this is beyond Netflix. This is about Gita Gambir and the extraordinary police cam approach.

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The filmmaking and the editing and the compilation is.

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Everything is in its favor. And it got an enormous bump. Even though it was hugely popular already after the nomination, it soared on Netflix in terms of popularity.

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And it's always done really well on Netflix because. And Geeta Gunbier talks about this. There's a bit of a bait and switch of the movie and that These true crime documentaries are extremely popular on Netflix. I watch a great number of them. They're mostly just slop. And a lot of them employ AI Even lately in this disturbing way.

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Oh, they do these. These recreations of people's voices are really scary.

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Really scary. And so. But this movie is really a true crime documentary. It's something else. It's more of A social justice documentary and an interrogation of police work. And that bait and swish that they. They achieve very effectively. And it worked because it's been really popular on the streaming platform.

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So did we do all the categories?

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I think we did it all, except for short.

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We'll do the shorts. So the elephant in the room is the impact of the new voting rules. And I'm hearing that especially older voters. So what it is is that they go into make their ballot. And also the Academy has been sending people alerts that they haven't seen all the movies in a given category. Like, hey, you haven't seen all the documentaries yet. So in a way, I think that's great. I do, I want them. I know from doing all these anonymous ballots, how many people do not see all the films in a category. They see one movie and vote for it. It's terrible. And so now there's a little bit of an awareness that that's what they're supposed to do, but they don't have to tell the truth.

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No. And so basically their ballot, that category is grayed out. Right. If they haven't watched everything, is that how it works?

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They put in a claim that they've seen the movie in a specific place, they have to say where they saw it. So that's online. That's a ballot thing. So they have to qualify for each category. This is at least how I understand it. And it gets complicated. They go in and out. They go in and out. It's a little bit technological. Even someone I know who's very tech savvy, who's a member, had trouble with it, and then another member of mine who had no trouble with it at all. Yeah.

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How do you corroborate that? On the Academy side? You really don't. And the other.

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And you can just put it on the portal and pleasant. That's what I'm saying.

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Go wash the dishes, just put the brutalist on and come back in three and a half hours.

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Well, that's the situation. But some people are saying that they're going to be fewer, that there are going to fewer older voters voting, which could be bad.

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And aren't these. But these older voters, these are the ones that maybe they're not watching everything to begin with. They see one movie and they're voting for.

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These are the ones who have time to see everything. I don't know. I. I don't want it. Let me put it another way. A lot of people are suggesting that given the complexity of the ballot balloting this year, the voters may skew younger.

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Yeah, I'm heartened by a few months ago Oscar also ran Ariana Grande said that she of course watches every movie on the platform because she is a voting member of the academy. So I'm hoping that the young voters like her are as fastidious about it.

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I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that and I want everybody to take it seriously. Many people do. Many people do, but many people don't. I heard one guy voted for best picture and was so flummoxed by the whole thing that he just tossed out the rest. He voted for one category.

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It's very unfortunate.

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All right, Ryan, we'll do the shorts next week and next week we're going to get into the so far embargoed project Hail Mary which I saw this

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week and Hoppers which I haven't seen but I will catch up with in time for next week.

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See you then.

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Okay.

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It.

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