Chris Franjola, Savannah Guthrie’s Mom, Melania and Epstein Files
87 min
•Feb 5, 20264 months agoSummary
Heather McDonald and Chris Franjola discuss the kidnapping of Savannah Guthrie's mother, the release of Epstein files implicating numerous prominent figures, and Melania Trump's new documentary. They explore conspiracy theories, celebrity scandals, and the broader implications of recent revelations about powerful people.
Insights
- The Epstein files release has created a culture of citizen journalism and conspiracy theorizing, with unverified claims spreading faster than official investigations can address them
- Media literacy and source verification are critical challenges when processing large document dumps; misinformation spreads through social media before corrections can catch up
- Celebrity documentaries with full editorial control tend to present sanitized narratives that lack authentic human moments, limiting their value as genuine insight into subjects' lives
- The disparity in accountability is stark: only one person (Ghislaine Maxwell) has served prison time despite hundreds of prominent names appearing in released documents
- Public outrage is easily redirected toward trivial matters (logo changes, casting choices) rather than substantive issues, suggesting attention span and priority management challenges in digital culture
Trends
Citizen-led investigation and conspiracy theory development accelerating through TikTok and podcast platformsDocumentary filmmaking increasingly used as reputation management tool by high-profile subjects with final editorial approvalSelective accountability in high-profile criminal cases correlating with wealth, power, and legal resourcesMisinformation about major events spreading faster than fact-checking can debunk, creating parallel narrativesCelebrity culture fragmenting into micro-communities with opposing interpretations of the same eventsPodcast hosts increasingly positioned as alternative news sources despite limited investigative resourcesStreaming platform competition driving investment in prestige documentaries as brand-building exercisesPublic discourse shifting from institutional trust to individual verification and alternative media consumption
Topics
Savannah Guthrie's mother kidnapping investigationEpstein files release and document analysisConspiracy theories and misinformation spreadCelebrity accountability and legal consequencesMelania Trump documentary reviewSuper Bowl halftime show controversyGLP-1 drug safety and child accessReality TV relationship updatesDocumentary filmmaking and editorial controlSocial media-driven investigationsCelebrity podcast appearances and preparationStreaming service user experiencePolitical statements at award showsAlternative media and citizen journalismDeepak Chopra allegations
Companies
NBC
Savannah Guthrie's employer; her mother's kidnapping occurred while Guthrie was a prominent Today Show anchor
Amazon
Allegedly paid $40 million to produce and distribute the Melania Trump documentary
Warner Brothers
Terminated Brett Ratner's deals following Me Too allegations in 2017
CBS
Employer of health/wellness personalities mentioned in Epstein files; discussed regarding accountability
Wayfair
Furniture retailer subject to conspiracy theories about pricing anomalies and alleged trafficking connections
Disney Plus
Advertised crime drama series during episode
Netflix
Hosting Netflix is a Joke comedy festival where Heather McDonald will perform live juicy scoop
People
Chris Franjola
Co-host discussing Epstein files, celebrity scandals, and current events with Heather McDonald
Savannah Guthrie
Her 84-year-old mother was kidnapped in Tucson; Guthrie previously interviewed Epstein victims
Melania Trump
Subject of new documentary directed by Brett Ratner; discussed as curated, non-juicy portrayal
Brett Ratner
Directed Melania Trump documentary; previously faced Me Too allegations in 2017
Deepak Chopra
Mentioned in Epstein files with disturbing emails; discussed as example of unaccountable prominent figure
Bill Gates
Mentioned in Epstein files; email allegedly about antibiotics disputed by Gates and others
Ghislaine Maxwell
Only person serving prison time for Epstein-related crimes despite hundreds of names in files
Donald Trump
Appears briefly in Melania documentary; mentioned frequently in Epstein files
Elon Musk
Mentioned in Epstein files with emails about parties; discussed as example of wealthy figure behavior
Jay-Z
Mentioned in Epstein files; discussed as potentially heading to Epstein Island
Jelly Roll
Declined to make political statements at Grammys; discussed as example of celebrity avoiding controversy
Justin Bieber
Performed at Grammys; discussed as potentially signaling past experiences with P. Diddy
Bad Bunny
Performing Super Bowl halftime show; subject of controversy over Spanish-language performance
Bronwyn Guthrie
Transitioning from 67-year-old husband to 32-year-old model boyfriend; discussed as positive life change
Jonah Hill
Discussed as unrecognizable after weight loss and appearance changes; appearing in new film with Keanu Reeves
Keanu Reeves
Starring in new film 'Outcome' with Jonah Hill; discussed as beloved celebrity
Eddie Murphy
His son married Martin Lawrence's daughter; discussed as cute celebrity family connection
Martin Lawrence
His daughter married Eddie Murphy's son; discussed as potential movie premise
Charlie XCX
Interviewed by Jason Bateman; discussed as child-free by choice, subject of unprepared interview
Jason Bateman
Criticized for unprepared interview with Charlie XCX; hosts top podcast with other celebrities
Quotes
"I think it's the weirdest story we've ever seen because it is about an elderly woman, Savannah Guthrie's missing mom."
Heather McDonald•Early in episode
"There is one person, only one person who is doing any kind of prison time for all of these crimes. And it's a woman."
Heather McDonald•Mid-episode discussing Epstein files
"It's just not juicy. Right. It's not going to make you angry. Honestly, even if you hate them, I don't think it would make you angry. I think you'll just be bored."
Heather McDonald•Melania documentary review
"God is a construct. Cute girls are real. That's an actual quote from the situation."
Chris Franjola•Discussing Deepak Chopra emails
"I'm embarrassed. I don't even know that story. What's the Cracker Barrel Bad Bunny story?"
Chris Franjola•Discussing public outrage priorities
Full Transcript
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Oh my God. So I said, listen, Chris. I mean, listen, we just have to talk about. I know I've said for the last 10 years. There's a lot of controversial topics out there. There's a lot of controversial and we have to talk about it. And it is, we're going to talk about because it's juicy and it's unavoidable and literally nothing else is going on. And we have both agreed that we feel the end of the world is near. It's going to happen any time to have a good time, have a good life. Try to. Try to and focus on positive things. Yes. And if it is going to end, then we all want to go together. We all agree with that. We do not want to be eating a can of dog food in a weird post. Apocalyptic movie. Like in some bunker somewhere. Yeah. But there is just some really crazy, bizarre shit happening. So let's just get into it. The saddest and the weirdest story I think we have ever seen. Yeah. I don't know. Like I feel like this is the weirdest story we've ever seen because it is about an elderly woman, Savannah Guthrie's missing mom. You know her from NBC. She's on NBC. Today's show. She's been on for years. She's like the head anchor over there. Yes. And she's just like a delight, right? And then she has this 84 year old mother that she has brought on camera that she's talked about who lives in a very nice neighborhood in Tucson. And when she didn't show up for church on Sunday morning and she was such a regular there and she is an elderly woman who lives alone. Luckily the people at that parish said, you know, did a welfare check. Yeah. They call the cops and she is first it was that she was missing. So when we first heard, I think we all thought it's a silver alert. That's what everybody thought. Yeah. Like dementia and she walked off or something. She wandered off and then they said no, it's we believe it that she was taken against her will and there is blood term. They kept you. Oh yeah. Yeah. Kidnapped. I mean, right. It's like you think of a kid, right? So that's why it's in the word. And okay. So then that happened and you know, the people that she worked with are like praying for her and it's just it's so bizarre. And she's been gone for now. She's been gone. They said they believe she was taken at 430 a.m. Sunday. Right. So we're recording this on Wednesday. So and as of this recording, all a couple of things have happened. They first said yesterday that Savannah's sister Annie and the brother-in-law are kind of suspicious that I guess he was the last person to see them. And then they have since cleared them. And I just they haven't they haven't they haven't they've cleared them kind of they today. I believe that one of the police they know they did the press conference that he said because people had come out and said they are suspects and they impounded their car. And he said they're not suspects. We didn't impound their car, but he didn't say that they're not going to be investigated. I wouldn't rule it out yet. I mean, it's your sister's husband. Now listen, you I have. I'm very close to one sister. I have, you know, strange siblings as adults. And when one is so successful like Savannah, who knows what her relationship with her sister is like and the brother-in-law. So that was very weird. She was supposed to go to the Olympics and she's not obviously hosting the Olympics. Yeah. So she's not going to the Winter Olympics in Italy. Savannah is not going. Savannah is not going. So my OK. So then they said there is a ransom note. And this first came out as on a text a couple days ago and I said, I think it's there's going to be a ransom note. I think someone took her. I think they're uns. And this is what I still think. This is what I think. Okay. I think they live in this nice neighborhood. Right. And there's some unsophisticated, unsophisticated weird guy that has recently moved back with his parents. That is between the ages of 45 and 55. All right. He heard, oh, Savannah, the person I see on TV every day, her mother lives here. Savannah's must be very rich. And she is. We looked her up and, you know, you know, net worth is not always right on this thing, but it says approximately 40 million approximately. She makes eight to 10 million a year. Okay. Just on her salary loan, not the other money she could have accumulated over the years. So this guy is like, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to kidnap the old lady and I'm going to make, I'm going to do a ransom thing. And the ransom note supposedly says, I need millions of dollars. They didn't specify how many in this Bitcoin account, which is the point of doing Bitcoin is that it can't be tracked. But that's all out there. And I always think of it. And apparently they sent that to TMZ. That's what I had heard. Yeah. But now I've heard that that's been debunked, that there was no ransom note. That's what I heard this morning. I could be wrong. Okay. But I still think whoever took her is that's the profile of the guy. Okay. He's not a sophisticated robber or kidnap or hurt. He got in his weird head that, you know, I'm an entitled, you know, man that hasn't made it in life. And this will be an easy thing. And I don't mean to hurt this old lady. There was blood, but it doesn't sound like it was enormous amount of blood where they thought she was dead. Right. But she's 84 and she, they believe without this medication, it could be a deadly situation. Whatever her medication is, I'm assuming like a heart medication or blood pressure or something. So now somewhere in my opinion, this guy is with this elderly, very scared woman. And, you know, But like where in a basement somewhere, is she in a car? Like, are they driving? Are they still within the neighborhood? Cause I feel like, I don't know. They could, I mean, they could have driven like to a whole nother state and are just in some like Hobunk hotel room. Or maybe this guy booked an Airbnb and plans to have, and maybe she's in some Airbnb and nobody knows who he is. And she's just, you know, at his mercy and he's, maybe he's trying to make her comfortable. I don't know, but it's just so weird. So then the, sorry, what were you saying? But then there's no camera, no, because they said they took the camera from the house. Yes, I mean, I don't think she had. She had one of those rain cameras that had to come off. So I heard that that was taken. Then I heard she, she put on sometime, a couple of months ago on her Facebook that she was looking for a certain camera to put on her door. Whether this is anything to do with anything, I don't know, but that's what I've just read. And she was also interested in wildlife too, like going on wildlife hikes, which is another thing I heard. Maybe she got eaten by a coyote. I don't think she walked out of the forest. Yeah, yeah, when you're thinking of what it could be. In this weird world, now I'm like, oh my God, is this going to be the new thing that people think about is you're lucky enough to have a situation where your elderly parent is healthy enough to live on their own. They don't have to go to a facility where there would be security. And even at a facility where there's security, I guess if someone really wanted to kidnap a famous person's older parent to then do ransom, there could be a lot. Could this be the new thing that happens where the desperate people for money are thinking this is the way to go? Because it seems like... Good luck taking my mom. They'd bring her back at 15 minutes. I need to go to Publix. I need to go to Publix. They couldn't even get her in the car. She can't get in the car on her own, let alone with help from other people. I'm sitting on the seat belt. I can't find the damn seat belt. I hope this turns into a funny thing. I used to joke that if someone was ever to kidnap Drake, he's just such a complainer about food and stuff. Turn the car around. Yeah, he'd be like, hmm, my God, why did you buy these ropes? You know there's better ropes on sale at Home Depot for this amount. I don't know. The guy just really like, forget it. Yeah. But you never hear... It's like there's only been a handful of famous cases where they're actually... The Lombard... What was the Lombard baby? A Lindbergh. Charles Lindbergh. The Lindbergh baby was like this from like 100 years ago, a famous rich family. Like their child and nobody ever knew what happened, but the child was not returned safely. And like there's always been these stories and when you see it like in a movie, it's always like we've got your kid. And if you tell the police, then we're... Yeah. But I guess in this case, the police knew before Savannah. So I don't think even if they were trying to get to Savannah to tell her like we need millions of dollars to give your mother back, the police have already intervened. And now I wonder if the guy, whoever it is, is like, wow, I didn't know that this was going to be such a big deal. Or so that I knew. Right. He's panicked and doesn't know how to get out of it. And hopefully there's going to be a nice ending where the older mother deals with this weird guy and somehow convinces him to let her go. I don't know. I hope it's now the other crazy side of the story is people believing that... People believing that this has... Is Epstein related. Oh. Savannah, I did not realize. Because what I think of Savannah, I think of her on the Today Show standing there and talking about something kind of fun. Out in the plaza with the other four of them. Kind of light. Like coffee comedy is what I call it. Very light, funny stuff. Right. But she has done... She did an interview in I think 2017 or 19 where she interviewed a bunch of the victims, the victims of Epstein. Okay. And she also did an interview with Bill Gates. Okay. Asking him about his friendship with Epstein. Yeah. So being that these Epstein files were released on Friday, she was kidnapped late Saturday morning or early Sunday morning. And she's a reporter who had done work on this and interviewed people. Could there be any relation? I personally don't think so. Well, I mean, you know, these days... Yeah, who knows? It's all bets are off these days. But it sounds like a bit of a stretch, but everything sounded like a bit of a stretch up until a week ago. You know? I mean, yeah. Okay. So now, you know, we have talked about... So also, I feel like they still have zero leads, which is kind of strange considering... Like if you're saying it's somebody who is naive to crime or kidnapping or whatever the case may be, I feel like there would have been some tracks left. But there's... I think he's a criminal. I think he's probably had a hard life. But I think he's a privileged person who somehow heard about or knew that Savannah Guffrey's mom lives in this place. I'm going to say this prediction-wise. I also think it might happen. It's a family member. I'm going to make that bold enough prediction that it's somehow family-related. I could be wrong whether it be that brother-in-law or somebody else. It's somehow family-related. It's a Rob Reiner-y son situation. Okay. So let's say it is a relative of some sort that wants money and figures Bitcoin is untraceable. And so they're wearing a mask the whole time and she's okay. And she has no idea that it's her nephew or her son-in-law or whoever. But there's no way... There's just no way the person's going to get away with this. Yeah. I don't know eventually. But yeah. I mean, just hope the woman's alive. Yeah. Obviously, we all hope that she is okay. And I just think like, I just feel like how awful it must be for Savannah to be like, oh my God, you can't help but blame yourself. I'm famous. I put her on camera. She basically is a celebrity herself. She's been on camera. She's been on the show like doing cooking, doing the Olympics. She's done so many things. So I'm like, yeah, it wasn't hard. And she goes out to church. It's not hard for people to know where she lives. Yeah. I don't think it was like a gated community where you had to go through a gate to get there. It was just a very, very nice neighborhood. I wonder if the kidnapper makes her watch CBS Morning Show while she's being... Don't make me... She's like down the basement. She makes her watch Gayle King. Oh my God. Michael Strahan. Well, it is just a very, very strange story. It's come out at this time. It's just like what the fuck is happening. I know. So we talked a little bit on Tuesday about these Epstein files. And of course, when I talked about it, people are like, you know, you don't know enough. There are 6 million items. Right. I think it's 3 million pages, 6 million items of everything that they have collected from photos, emails. Over 20 years ago. Yeah. They've had these for a long time. People just calling into that maybe it was unfounded, maybe it wasn't even researched. Then there's the redacted stuff where they're covering people's faces and they're under aid and things in the... And then a lot of them aren't redacted, which has been a problem. You know, they're redacting the perpetrator, but not redacting the victim. Right. So they're upset about that, rightfully so. Anybody can go and make a little war room out of it and spend all your time reading it and doing TikToks on it, which good for you. Yeah. But as someone that's like, I don't have time to do that. And I'm just going through my feed looking at stuff. Right. I saw one horrible one where this girl is like, you guys, it's worse than we thought. Yeah. They are eating fucking babies. They are eating babies. That was a while ago, that video. It was a model who was... She was a model? Yeah. She was a Mexican model or something. That's how this girl didn't look like a model. Yeah, she was. Anyway, she was never seen again. Anyway, there was a photo of two uncooked chickens and in the middle it's a black square. So you don't know what it is. And she goes, look at this right here. That's a child's leg. So I screen grabbed the thing and I zoomed in and it looks like a little child's leg like that. And I'm like, wait, this was found in the Epstein files. And then I read and by the third comment, they're like, this is a famous photo from a famous like artsy-fartsy photographer. This is not from the Epstein files. And I'm like, okay, so then that's not true. Then Tuesday... What artsy-fartsy photographer? I know. What a weird thing. You know, the one in Walk Girl's famous baby leg. Well, remember when Jamie Lee Curtis had that art in her house that was like very weird. And it was just like a little girl like drowning in a bathtub. I don't know what it was. It was something very strange. And she did a little fun TikTok like, hi, I'm Jamie Lee Curtis. And someone was like, what the fuck is that weird art in the back? And even Kate Spade, who committed suicide, her husband, and Kate Spade is David Spade's sister, her husband, when after she died, there was a lot of weird art and a lot of weird shit he posted that a lot of people would say was signaling, you know, kitty corn or whatever you want. I'm supposed to say on this. You're not supposed to say the words. But I don't even... It's like, what's real? What's not? So then... And then I talked about on Tuesday show that Melinda Gates, you know, is disgusted by Epstein. That was why she... One of the reasons why she ended it with Bill Gates. And there were articles written that there is an email in which Bill Gates is writing Jeffrey Epstein saying, can you give me some antibiotics? I think I gave my wife an STD from hanging out at one of your parties and I want to just give it to her without her knowing. And then the disease won't pop up. He has since since that's not true. Well, yeah. He said, well, of course, everybody who's been questioned about this, which is Melinda Gates and Brett Ratner the other day on one of the shows and on many said the same thing. It's all the same thing. I've met him a few times. We've emailed a few times that health guy from, you know, who's a CBS doctor who talks about seed oils, how bad they are for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Peter Attila. Yeah. Attila. Yeah. And then there's a new shipment. That just meant vitamins. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everyone's got an excuse. Yeah. But so and then of course, the the it can go on and on. I mean, the the the owner of the the jets. I mean, the Giants. Pete Tish. Okay. I never went to the island. I never mailed him. What's he made about? He's emails about women and can you get me this type and that type. One professor from Harvard. There is an email. Supposedly that says like, did you torture her? Yeah. I don't know how you explain that one away. Yeah. Oh, well, I yes, I it was a we call my, you know how everyone always use pronouns as girls. This is what I would say. Oh, do you like this bag? She's a Gucci. I bought her at even Marcus. I would say if that was me, I'd go, did you torture her? Jeffery and I were amateur cooks. Yeah. And I used to call chickens. She and even though they were dead. I would say, Oh, beat her to death, beat that breast. And I meant the chicken breast. So there's my excuse. All of that. Nothing weird happened. It was complete bullshit. Right. I mean, these people are full of shit. Like they were on the list. They did. 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There's something there. You know what I mean? Of course. We could sit here and pretend that it's not, but that's fucking bullshit. You know what I mean? But here's my thing, which I've said from the very beginning, that I just think explains the world in a nutshell. There are hundreds of prominent people mentioned in this. There's all these people on the flight logs. There's presidents. There's professors. There's Deepak Chopra. So many times that guy has multiple podcasts. He's spiritual advisor to Oprah Winfrey and his emails are very, very disturbing as well. I knew that Deepak Chopra was a scumbag. I wish I could tell somebody about the secret fun we have. It is so bad. And I'm like, but are people still going to go on his podcast and act like, oh. No, they're not. Here's what's going to happen because I don't think you could take certain people down just for whatever reason. I don't know. But some people are going to have to. Well, the Athena guy or whatever. He's done. But he hasn't yet. Strangely enough. CBS will fight. Maybe I could be wrong. I don't know. I can't keep up with everything. This is just a comedic conversation podcast, a comedy interview podcast. But the other thing is like a guy like that, it's got to go. Like at least the very least CBS has to fire that. Yes. Something. Deepak Chopra, we got a whoever whatever production company puts out his podcast has to let that go. The ads. Yeah, some. Got to at least be like, yeah, we don't want to. Right. Because otherwise I don't think you're going to see much. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I'm just that's just the way. Yeah. And then because I'm like, I guess what. So what I feel like is again, there is one person, only one person who is doing any kind of prison time for all of these crimes. And it's a woman. Now listen, she's awful. She deserves to be behind bars. Pretty awful. She deserves. I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it. But when you just see it like that, yeah, you've got to realize that. We get fucked all the time in every which way because I'm like, how is it that? And I don't know if she couldn't tell or when she did tell it didn't matter because how is it that so all these things that you've just dumped on our lap? Uh huh. Well, we, we went through it all for 20 years and the only person we could get was Gizlain. And so you could have fun with it. You can do your tiktok, but no one's being arrested. Go. I don't know why they did it. Okay. Now you guys just ruin their reputation. Just get them uninvited to parties, have them lose brand deals. As it should be. Has their, let's see. And should be more than that. But yes, it should be. Maybe this was someone that was like too many, too many people have podcasts and I just want to kill a few popular podcasts. I think I left at the, let's hope. At the very least. At the very least because we could we get rid of a few top podcasts that don't, that are from happening from bad people that are talking about spirituality. Yeah. When they're obviously pretty deviant people in my opinion. Right. The other thing that I will say, which I could be wrong on this too, because I haven't read 90,000 pages of it. I'm not going to either. But I've kept up with some of it. Like for the, for the last few years, I believe it's been a, I don't know, let's use the term witch hunt for lack of a better one about Hollywood. Yes. Like we were the people who were doing this. And then now the things have come out. Not, I'm not saying I'm not letting Hollywood off the hook, but it seems like it was less of that and more of the Trump people. Which I think. And the Clintons. And the Bushes. And like it's everybody. It's like it's not even like a particular party. It's elites. It's honestly just elites. It's people who had access to him. But it's less Tom Hanks and more, you know, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Right. Yeah. Which I feel like. So now Bill and Hillary Clinton said they will cooperate and they are going to talk. Now I think that they have the same type of excuses for all this stuff too. Maybe. What? What are they? I don't know. Like I was, I met him at a party. I think that they're going there with each question. Do they have a thing? You know, and that she really does like pizza and she's, you know, that she always had a problem with carbs and she loves pizza, pizza, pizza. Like all the pizza stuff that then people are like, Oh my God. Remember when everybody said the pizza gate was like all conspiracy theories? Why is there so much fucking pizza mentioned in these emails? Like, I mean, I don't think I've ever written about a pizza in my life to someone. I, I don't even email. Like I. There's fucking emails. Like what's with the email? It's wild. Yeah. It's just a lack of punctuation and misspelling. I'm like, aren't these the most powerful people in the world? Everyone's a complete idiot. Like that's my takeaway from it. And I know not to, I mean, we are, should be a little bit light. It's hard. It's a hard thing to make light. Well, we have to because it's awesome. Like whatever we're going to do. But it's also like, can any of these fucking people get laid at a happy hour? I know. I mean, like I, like they, they're billionaires. Well, I think. And some of them be like relatively good looking billionaires. I, okay. This is what I put on some cologne and go to TGI Friday. I'm fucking loser. This is what I think though. I think it is that idea. I know it's, I know it's bigger than, no, but whether you're a rapper or whatever in that you get to a, it's a certain personality. I think someone that's a lovely person that had a healthy childhood and a healthy life and wasn't bullied in school and then becomes super successful. I think those people are still lovely today. Okay. I think that if you were lovely before you're a stay. But if you were a spoiled brat, if you weren't entitled person, if you, you know, got everything you wanted, if you were a nerd that was bullied and now you're rich and you're able to get the traditional girl, then you're able to get the, the sexy hooker. Right. Then you're like, okay, let me try, you know, young girls. Okay. Now let me try children. Now let me try men. Now let me try boys. Now let me try. Like I think there's some of that where it's like, oh my God, do you want to, just like you would with drugs. Like, okay, first it's a drinking party. Oh, there's some gummies and we need there. You want a real wild party? We got a fucking LSD cocaine and you're like, yeah, let's fucking step it up. We're in Cabo. Like I think that's what's went on with some of these people and they're like, like the Elon just begging. By the way, that's for the Elon. Don't invite me to a boring one about the science thing. And I just want to go to the fun ones. The best part of that one is if you look at it, the date that he sent that email, yeah, Christmas day, December 25th. It doesn't have 12 kids. It's got nothing else to do on Christmas day. It doesn't have like a million kids to be opening presents with. Yeah. Like he's writing this guy about the hottest party and sing bars or whatever. When I think about how many children he's had with random people, it goes along with how Epstein wanted to have all these children. And, you know, and there's just, and there's, I have now again, I see where people do the research, they do the videos. I see it. So I don't know, but I saw like a very disturbing one from like this professor or some science guy that was like talking about how, you know, oh, like the little part was like, oh, by the way, maybe this was Deepak. I don't know. Anyway, I just read a study that babies suck longer on a pacifier if they can hear their mother's voice nearby. Little tip for you. And everyone's like, what? There's so many ways that could go and none of it's good because he wasn't a dad or he was because then Fergie's like, Hey, why'd you blow me off since I got divorced? Like, oh my God, you're the best. She was in love with him. She wrote a couple of things like what we should just marry each other. Yeah. Like, why don't we have some fun? Like what? I'm your friend too, even though I'm not with the Duke anymore. But anyway, I heard you had a baby. Congrats. And so then people are like, are there some of his kids running around and I'm like, and I hope they don't know that they're his kids. Like whatever their life is, there is not like they're going to cash in. There's no money. And then all the brother stuff, the brother was a weird and the brother was the one that was like, my brother didn't kill himself. You should just shut the fuck up. Yeah, he should just go. Yeah. I heard you. Yeah, just shut up. Right. It's insanity. It's insanity. And here's what, here's what, because I don't feel enough people are outraged about it. And I'm not going to be, I can't live in that world. I have. I'm not, I'm not raging more that I don't know what we're supposed to do with this. If you couldn't convict anybody, if you couldn't arrest anyone, why are you making the citizens of the world as citizens, tick tock journalists, podcasters? Why is it our fucking job to spread the word? Here's what they're going to do. Here's what you need to do. You take the old Cracker Barrel logo and put it on the cover of the Epstein files. And that is going to get people upset. They will freak out if you take the new Cracker Barrel logo and put it on and they'll be like, wait a minute, I love the old one. Why did you change it? With the old man in the Rocky. People are more upset about Bad Bunny and Cracker Barrel than they are about this, which is just, the world is upside down. I have to tell you, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. I don't even know that story. What's the Cracker Barrel Bad Bunny story? There is no Cracker Barrel, but there are two separate things. People are upset a few months ago about they changed, Cracker Barrel changed their sign and people were fury. And Bad Bunny is doing the halftime show. These are the two things in the last couple of months. So you're just saying if Bad Bunny put himself in an old rocking chair, that would set the world on fire. Oh my God. Can you imagine? If Bad Bunny ate at a Cracker Barrel, people would mind, drank a Bud Light at a Cracker Barrel, people's minds would be blown. But all this other shit is like wild to me. Like I can't live in this world. I have a life to lead. Like I would love to sit in a dark room and read horrible things about people, but where would that get me? You know, I still have to. I can't, I keep telling myself, Heather, put down the phone, put down the phone. Because no matter what you say about this, someone's going to say, you don't know enough. You got it wrong. You're this, you're that, whatever. And I'm like, but it's just, it's insanity. So another thing that happened. One more joke here. Yes. Yes. Please go. It looks like Jay-Z has now got a hundred problems. So tell me how Jay-Z is mentioned today. I don't know. I honestly see his name a lot in it. And Jay-Z and Beyonce didn't go. People have always been like, Beyonce was groomed by Jay-Z. Jay-Z cheated on Beyonce. That's why she, her sister beat him up in the elevator. Jay-Z claimed how dare you bring me up to have anything to do with P Diddy. And some girl said that and he scared her so much. She was like, okay, I guess I was lying. And now I guess he's mentioned in these two, but I don't, that's one of the stories. I can't get them all. I don't know how he was mentioned in these stories, but he's not around. Supposedly he got on a plane. They didn't go to the Grammys. Yeah. Well, he was heading to Epstein Island. And Epstein Island was bought by a billionaire. Oh, good. Verse $60 million. And it is being made into a fancy resort. Oh, I can't wait to go. And people said, oh my God, no one will ever go there. Oh, yes they will. Eventually. Yeah. It'll be done. Probably. Mark my word. Probably give a decent buffet at a good price. I think it'll be very expensive and exclusive. Mark my words. It will come out. It'll be ready to go by like 2028 for sure, if not sooner. And this will be a thing in the past. People will go. If you've ever been to the Virgin Islands, you've gone by it. It's just another beautiful island. So if that was just a private, all-inclusive resort thing where I'm sure each room is a bungalow that's $2,000 a night, exclusive people, people from other countries. Just be they will go. You give Peter Dovaya 75% off. You guys will be on a waterslide in six months. Yeah. It'll be hard. Have you seen some of the pictures of what, you know, some of the rooms in the different houses on the island, how ugly they were? Like that's the other thing. Like the decor itself was like, it certainly wasn't the four seasons. I don't think that these pervs were complaining that there wasn't, you know, a cushiony headboard. I would have. I would have. Oh, I would have. I don't care how many 14 year olds are here. This is the worst bed I've ever slept. I mean, they had a dentist chair in one of the rooms, which is so strange to me. That just like a dent. That's when I'm out. That's when I would have been. I'll leave a party if people have broken chips. You know what I mean? Like if I see a dentist chair in the room, I'm like, I think I'm going to head out because I said, you're not a dentist and you have a dentist chair. So I'm going to, I'm going to go. So true. That is fucking weird. Yeah. That's just so many strange things. I don't know. Adding to the weirdness of life. Yeah. Jill Biden's ex husband was just charged with first degree murder. I know. Of his new wife. So he's 70 something and his wife, um, there was a domestic dispute and police came and then she was dead during that post dispute. And that was in December and they have since said he's responsible. I would think so. Right. You know, I guess he's going to say, oh, sure, I pushed her, but I didn't mean to kill her. I don't know what you're going to say. Your wife's dead. And it was the two of you. And, um, and he, guess how much he's on bail for. How much? $5,000. What? Doesn't that only mean he has to come with 500? I think so. Yeah. I mean, really? Yeah. Like really? Like you're, there's no reason to hold him a little bit longer. Like, I mean, he could take off or do something else. I don't know. I'm sure his excuse is going to be, you know, that he, that there was an argument, but he did not mean to kill her and she, she slipped and fell and hit her head or something. So I'm sure that's going to be it. But still not, not a great week for this weird kind of news, right? Yeah. Okay. So, um, yeah. Oh, wait, here was the, yes. Can I just tell a quick Deepak Chopra story that I witnessed and I remember witnessing it years ago and I thought it was strange. About what? Which thing? Deepak Chopra. Okay. He was a guest on Chelsea lately, way back. Okay. Way back. Old studio, Chelsea. And I remember he was in the dressing room, you know, because we used to be all the round table people would be like in the same dressing room kind of back in those days. So he was like in a fourth dress room, three of us. Right. And I remember, uh, he had like weird, like a lot of, uh, bedazzled glasses, which was always an odd choice for like a guy who's a spiritual reality and like live a simple life. It's just like Elton John at those and odd. That was strange enough. And then I remember him, uh, asking to like, we were done round tables over, he was done show was like everyone was leaving and he wanted to talk to Natasha Legerro. She was on the round table that day with us. And I remember him knocking on her dressing room door and like going in and like having a deep talk with her. Would it not? Natasha? And I remember thinking that's strange. Like, I feel like he was into Legerro. Well, that makes sense. And cause she is little. I know. She is very, I was very pretty. But she had like a little sexy little body. Yeah. I think if my mind's not playing tricks on her, I remember that being an odd day. That he was there. It's all just here's a little summary of the situation. Deepak Chopra emailed, emailed Jeffrey Epstein. God is a construct. Cute girls are real. That's an actual quote from the situation. March 2017, nine years after he was convicted for soliciting prostitution for a minor. Chopra told Epstein, anything we share is between us. I share nothing with anyone, but trust you. I mean, there's just so many of these things. A lot of people have to be done. Also I hate, I was never a fan and I don't like this kind of person. I don't like this kind of grifter. I don't like this kind of person that, you know, these Oprah people that Oprah finds on makes them stars. Oh, by the way, there's going to be a Dr. Phil documentary coming out. Oh, I'll watch that. Yeah. Anyway, go on. Yeah. Anyway, no, I don't have anything to say about it. And Oprah's track record of making, maybe Nate Burke is the only one who's got out of there clean. You've got a decent line of furniture at living spaces, I think, you know, but otherwise it doesn't seem like a complete asshole. She doesn't care. She's just so happy that she's a size four. Yeah. That her life, she doesn't care if anything happens with all these people that she found and made stars and made money off of and whatever. She's just like, just don't mention my all girl school. Just keep that out of it. Oh, I forgot about that one. Yeah. This, yeah, this was the guy that Peter, a Tia. So we'll see what happens with him. He's having a rough time of it because I follow him on Instagram and I kind of like this stuff. You know, I would always like, oh, it's interesting to hear him tell me things I should, shouldn't your knee. And now the comments underneath it are just like, oh, seed oils are bad. What about 14 year old girls? Like, oh, no, this guy can't forget about it. You're done. Well, I remember back in the 10, Chelsea, they spent a long time, the way fair thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I mentioned it and I got criticized for just mentioning it. And when I mentioned stuff, I'm like, you guys, this is what people are talking about. It doesn't mean I believe it. It means this is what's happening in the streets and by the streets. I mean, TikTok and stuff like that. It's crazy. And I'm like, I think it's interesting. I think it's crazy. I don't know that it's true. But it was about way fair. The furniture thing had these weird things that would say, oh, this, uh, this Candice couch or no, it'd be like a, it's always like a closet type of disposable closet. Yeah. Like storage storage. This storage facility named Candice is $82,000. And you're looking at it. You're like, why is that 82,000? So people concluded that they were putting people in them, then you'd order them and then you'd get the thing and you'd be like, oh, hello. And then there'd be a little child that you could pop out. Yeah. Pop out. You could destroy their life. Okay. So then a way for us like, no, that's the weird algorithm. When something sold out, we just make it so high. I don't know. So you don't have to remove it from the website. Why don't you just put sold out on it? I think it's weird. Anyway, there is way fairer type. There's stuff about way fair and all that in, not wait fair air, way fair. There's stuff about way fair emails in the FSC files. Maybe there was some truth to it. Turns out, you know what? Maybe there was. Who the fuck knows? They were all right this whole time. I mean, like that's the thing like, oh my God. And you know, it's weird. Okay. So I must say that I use way fair quite a bit. I get a lot of umbrellas and stuff from it. We love it. We love it. So I'm going to say they did nothing wrong. It's an algorithm. I just got four umbrellas and now I got like six kids in my house. I'm like, how am I supposed to feed all these kids? You know, they showed up in the boxes. They were. You opened it out. They filled out. Said they were everywhere. I didn't order this. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know about this story, but there was a Dutch supermodel named Karen Mulder, gorgeous. And apparently she spoke out. Yeah. And then like lost her career and ended up in an insane asylum. That's the way they did it old school. Do you know there was a time where men could just say, my wife's crazy. Can you pick her up? And they would go to an insane asylum. That's what the Salem witch hunts were. They used to just say, I don't like her. She's a witch. Oh, burner. That was it. I mean, that's basically what it was. She's a witch. Yeah. And again, only one person in prison for all of this. It's a woman. Okay. So Melania, Melania Trump, her film came out January 3rd. Rat Ratner. Why go small when you can go grand? Meet the new Voxel Grandland Griffin, striking alloys, sleek black roof, heated front seats and 10 inch touchscreen. Everything you need for life on the move. Grand on style, grand on tech, grand on value. And during the Voxel sales event, get a grand of the new Grandland Griffin or any other new Voxel on top of all other offers. Offer to private individuals, 1,000 pounds, including the AT, saving on new car orders between 15 to 35th of May. Must be registered by 30 June, 2026, 18 plus seasons to supply. Now, people of Aica, what's the deal with Brett Ratner? I honestly can't remember because there was a golden era of you and I doing a lot of podcasting on Juicy Scoop where every time you came, I said there is a new one that just dropped. And that was in the Me Too 2017 era. Right. So in that time, there was a Brett Ratner thing. Yeah, he went down hard. I looked it up. There were about five or six women. One claimed, you know, full assault, but nothing, but the point is nothing happened. Nobody filed a lawsuit. Maybe there was some lawsuits or something, but he was never arrested for anything. Just Warner Brothers are like, get off the lot, ended all the deals. He had several like movies in the works. He'd done the rush hours. He'd done all these big movies. And he was a young guy. He still looks kind of young. And but he was a creep in the stories were like, you know, I brought his lunch into this trailer and he was, you know, jacking off. And I was like, can I not have to do this? Like, so there were just a lot of creepy, creepy things where he just was a predator creep allegedly, right? So he loses his career until Chris Tucker, who was also in the movie, who was in his movies that he did. Yeah. What was the rush hours? Yeah. His face is all over the EBS feed file. He liked to go to the parties. He was that all of a sudden they somehow decide he decides, I will do a movie about Melania. Melania, would you like a movie done? Yes. Amazon allegedly paid 40 million to have it done. They paid for the movie. Yeah. And, and she allegedly got 28 of it. Oh, really? Again, all allegedly because who knows what's real news or not. Okay. So the reviews were some were 98 best movie I've ever seen percent. Okay. Yeah. On one site. Right. And the other one was 5% rotten tomatoes. There was literally nothing in between. Okay. And I go, that's not fishy. I go, Drake. Yeah. Will you go see this movie with me tomorrow night? To last night? I, I almost did the same thing. Just out of curiosity. It's out of curiosity. And that's what I don't like when people say things like, I just found out that talk about a witch hunt when someone's like, I just found out that Chris Frangelo is following this person. Yeah. Like it's Instagram. Instagram is TV. What are you talking about? Like, maybe I just want to see what this person is saying. Like I want to know what each thing is. So yeah, I'm like, I'm, I'm going to go see what this movie is. You know. And at first I was like, do I need to wear a, um, like a wig and a hat? Okay. Cause I'm like, I know someone's going to get the wrong idea. They're going to think I knew it. And you're kind of recognizable. They're like, oh, so Heather walking into. I had just gotten microblading and not micro, micro needling. And so I had no makeup on. So I looked pretty ugly and I wore sweats and I wasn't really concerned. Okay. So I went to the thing. I learned Drake with the fancy movie theater. Oh, I said, like the, the sit down eating. Yeah. So they said, we get some food. You could have a beer, you know, whatever. That's nice. And, um, so it starts. I also am very codependent when I bring someone to a movie. I mean, I, there's a play like a regular movie. Are there trailers beforehand? Yeah. There were some trailers that looked awful. There was this one trailer where it's with, um, who's, who's Hillary Rotem. No, no, no. The movie looks awful. It's called the sheep's detectives. Oh, and it's a live action movie with Hugh Jackman runs a farm and the sheeps are solving a town murder and they talk. I swear to God. And I go, who the fuck is ever going to see this movie? When I go, why is this the preview before this movie? So I was like, okay. So I'm like, Drake, press the button. Like we need to get a drink. I don't know what we're in for. And so we sit down and, um, and it starts and it's the song that they put in every movie, you know, every movie where it's slow mo. It's always like a Martin Sir, Skazy, like, like, uh, please look up the movie. Drake, what's the movie that's at the top of the Melania movie? It is like a famous movie that's like, it's literally, but it still gives you chills. Okay. But talk about lazy work, Brett. Right. They're like, and they show the drone of the ocean, beautiful Mar-a-Lago, the beach club, and then she comes out with all her secret service and they just focused on her feet. I'm like, just like they do on a real housewives episode. They always show like a foot coming out of a chair, out of a car, you know, like, Oh, nice. You know, like it's just such a, it's like nothing's original, right? So, but I'm like, okay. What is it called? Yeah. Oh, that they've seen that to me. Yeah. It's just a runaway. Yeah. It's just a runaway. Yeah. Like, Yeah. Guggy man. Yeah. And she's like, Yeah. And she looks gorgeous. She puts her sunglasses on. I'm like, okay. So she gets on the plane and then she goes to her New York apartments. That's all, you know, in gold and everything. I'm like, okay, now let's get into it. Okay. Now, now I thought this was going to be, I misread something and I thought it was the time between, before the inauguration. So I thought what we were going to see is her being like, fuck. Okay. Wait a minute. I'm going back to the house, the white house. How can I make it better? How can I make it more fun? There's no way he's really going to win again. Oh my God. He won. Like I thought we were going to see Barrett. I thought we were going to see whatever. So I didn't, I knew it would be flattering to them, but I thought we'd get more juice. Right. It is not the inside of the white house a little bit now. You don't see any of that. It's not a documentary because it's literally so curated. She never, even in the real housewife, they have them like doing their makeup before they go out. There is not one moment that she is not absolutely done, coiffed gorgeous. Right. And she comes off great. She comes off intelligent, very lovely to her staff. Nice. It is, but it's fucking boring. I'm sorry. I'm not saying anything bad about how long is it? It's a solid hour and a half, two hours. Yeah. So I'm sitting next to my straight son. Okay. And it starts out too long. And I'm like, I'm like, okay, at least he got to see like a pretty shot of a golf course. I'm like, okay, I'm okay. I'm okay. Okay. This is going to be okay. Hopefully they'll go golfing. Hopefully something will happen. And then it's her with her gaggle of gay designers. So people better not say she's not an ally because clearly the only people she's hired. Yeah, that's true. That's true. She's dressing up. Yeah. And it's what really what it is, it's the 20 days he's won. It's the 20 days before the inauguration, which was January 25th or whatever the day it was. Okay. And I'm like, oh, so she already knows she's going back. Okay, fine. And it's just her dealing. She has got three white blouses and the guys like, and here is your coat. And I did two different shoulder pads. Okay, I'll go see which one looks better on me. I'll see if I want to hire a shoulder pattern. And he goes, you know, it's so great about Laudia is that she was a model. So she knows that you need a centimeter here and it did it to here. And yeah, she should be a fashion designer. That's what she should have been doing. She should be, she knows fashion. She looks good. So she figures out her coat for the thing. And then the rest of it is about the hamburger, her hat. Oh yeah. And she, but again, what I wouldn't want to see is her go, Oh God, I, I, I work the outfit around the tax. I thought we were going to be outside the whole time, but now it's so cold. We're inside. How do I get rid of the set? Like, there was not one like real moment of even her being like the most real. She said was in, oh, then she does this, like these voiceovers, but she's like, one thing that I noticed was, you know, everybody in America is so welcoming. And there was just nothing. It was like literally Drake goes, I think chat GPT like wrote her model. I was like, it was just kind of like, yeah, she's grateful. She's nice. She wants to help kids. It was just, there was literally for juicy scooper. It's just, it's just not juicy. Right. It's not going to make you, it's not going to make you angry. Honestly, even if you hate them, I don't think it would make you angry. I think you'll just be bored. Like I just think it's boring. It's Donald Trump in it. Yes. He shows up very little, but he's very lovely to her when they're together and gives her compliments and, you know, and there's like one or two chuckly lines, like where we kind of chuckled about. There's like one or two moments where they kind of have a cute moment. But like it's all her. You see a couple of the other kids. They never speak, including Baron. Okay. And, but then like the camera will zoom at like one of the fancy dinners and you will see Lauren Sanchez and, and Jeff will see Elon, like Brett, we're out here new enough to like give us a little something like, you know, and you're like, oh, okay, okay. You're just so desperate for anything juicy in this thing that you're like, what's going on? Like, and so then, so then she works out that hamburger outfit guy. And of course Drake didn't know who the Hamburglar is. So then I had to go back in the day. The actual hamburger from the McDonald's. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Oh, I know. But the hat, the hamburger girler hat was black with a white trim. Hers was white. No, was hers black with it? It was black. It was black with a white trim. And she was black and one of my colors. I love them. So then even her dress, then they work on her fancy dress for the event, which was black and white stripe. Right. I don't know why she went that theme. And I don't think Donald liked it because Donald said, you're going to get a great dress, right? Melania, because last time, and they show her in the blue and in the, and when she, at the inauguration, the first time she had this gorgeous baby blue with matching blue gloves and the jacket came out of three quarter sleep. And I remember I said that day, wow, no one can deny this is a great outfit. And I was flooded with hate. How dare you say she loves the country. And I was like, oh, shit. Okay, fuck. Fine. So I'm like, can we get a moment where maybe Donald's like, why are you wearing that hat covering your beautiful face? You know, he didn't like that hat. Yeah, there's no way. I nobody liked the hat. She's gorgeous face. You couldn't see her the whole time. It's covering her eyes. She wears those hats quite a bit. It's yeah. But the rest of the movie, her hair is down and she's looking stunning. And she always has cool sunglasses on and she's like, um, but then you see her like interviewing a couple of people for her staff. Not juicy. Very nice. Very polite. I'll see you in the White House. Then you see her talking to, um, according to Candace Owen, the president, the French president's, um, husband. Yeah, right. Right. The, yeah, Macron's. Yeah. She comes off very womanly on the zoom. Oh, good. And she says, uh, it's me, Miss Macron smoking a cigar. What'd you expect? And then she's, she's like, Oh, hello. I'm so glad you know, she's got her French accent and she's talking. And she's, you know, saying like, and then Malani's like, how do we help kids with cyber bullying? And she's like, Oh, well, you know, in France, we don't let kids have a phone until they're 12 and then they have to, something be a certain age to have social media and she's writing her notes. No kids have phone until 12. I'm like, okay, really? Like this is what we're seeing. Then we get to the actual inauguration where we have to go to the Jimmy Carter died. She is writing. You see her writing. We saw her writing about the. Cry honoring. No, she's using like a. Yeah. So then we have to see a funeral and we have to see another funeral that's honoring, um, you know, fallen soldiers. Yeah. And I'm like, I really feel like the tension of Drake next to me, you know, and he's like, he's like, this is like a school movie. Yeah. I go, yeah, this is like, literally you're seeing the White House, but it's boring because there's nothing going on. So we see like soldiers, like doing something. And then we have to go to each party, you know, cause there's three balls and and it's just like there, it's like not, there's nobody really fun that we see except the family. Yeah. And. And when you see Trump a little bit like working on a speech and then there's one moment when she's, he's practicing his speech and she's there and she goes, wait, he practices. He did practice. They should, I know. We are right. I was kind of surprised. And then she goes, so she's like, can I come in front of him? And he's like, yeah, I'm just going over the speech and he's saying your speech. And then she says, and you in the fire. And he's like, hmm. And she's like, and you know, fire. And he's like, I'm going to be a peace maker and a unifier. And then we see him say that. So then that was like, oh, we know that she came up with that. So it's like, again, you know, often times when someone says, let's do a documentary on the manifest mama tour of the fall. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And the cameras are going to come in there and maybe I'll have final say, but I'm like, yeah, show me like getting annoyed, whatever. Like there's going to be a couple of moments where the artist breaks down or she hurts her foot or she cries or she's sick or she's drunk or they're set. Like this is, so this was a movie. I literally felt like I was watching an actress in a movie and it's 20 days preparing for the inauguration, but that's not a juicy time of your life. I thought 20, 20 days before he wins would have been way juicier. Right. And like 20 days, like since she's been, I don't know. So that my review is if you really love her and you love fashion, you're like got nothing to do, go, but it's not juicy. Yeah. And the fashion is only this outfit. Like I would have wanted it. And then at the end, it's just her doing a great photo shoot at the end. Okay. For her, for her thing that's going to be in the White House. Yeah. So, I mean, I hope we're going to see it doesn't get me canceled. I hope my review doesn't get me canceled. No, I think that was a pretty good. I mean, that's what it is. I think some people went to see it just, it's just not juicy. And you're a, you're a reporter and you're reporting on it. I mean, it just wasn't. Yeah. But it's like, and yeah, it was, it was legit. Pretty dull. Okay. But at least she's pretty to look at. She's, yeah. Well, that we knew. She's obviously, she's a good mom. She's a pleasant person. I mean, I don't think people can deny that, but that was it. And then there was a little bit of the Joe Biden. That was kind of good when they had to like crossover. They're like, they have five hours to get out of the open, out of the White House, you know, and they, but they were like pleasant to each other. It showed Kamala Harris being fucking pissed that day. Oh. Well, at the day of the inauguration, she's just like, yeah. So like, you know, Brett's doing that stuff. And then you hear Brett or somebody else kind of ask questions as the documentarian, but in my opinion, if you're looking for a documentary, it's, it's not that this was like a glossy. Yeah. It's a propaganda. So I'm going to call it whatever. I don't think it was propaganda. I just think it was curated. It's like, if you were to put your own thing together and you were going to make sure that you like had final say in that you only looked. I mean, to not have one moment where, and she scored, it's not to have one moment where you're just like coming out of the shower. You know, in a towel hair and you're like, okay, actually, you know what? Or saying, holy shit, my feet are done. Like people said her feet were dying. Okay. You know that, that she was dying about her feet that day. All she said was, and now more time in heels, like to like laugh at it. And at the end she takes off her heel, but even if she just took off her heel and like, just like, I need an ice bucket. Like just some more. Well, that's kind of what people want out of her. Like, can we see one human moment? Right. People thought they were going to get that out of that movie. And I guess you didn't. No. Yeah. No. So, um, one juicy thing I want to just say about this is not, this housewife. So it's not for you, but I have to say it. Because, so there's girl Bronwyn. She was married to this awful guy named Todd in real house of Salt Lake City. Okay. Every fan that watched it, he was much older. She was younger. He was, we all were rooting that they'd break up and most housewives do divorce or husband. They're getting a divorce. Oh, okay. The news has come out that she's dating a 32 year old. Her last husband was 67 and like a girl. He looked like the guy in up. Oh yeah. Remember up. Right. He'll take him. And now she's dating a 32 year old model named Brandon Good. That's what everybody needs. Oh, and I just want to say. I knew about this two weeks ago when I was at the Kyle Richards white party with all the housewives and she said, I'm dating a mom. And she's like, well, um, Todd's being very nice right now because they think we're getting back together. And so I'm getting everything I want by him being nice to me. And, um, I go, are you dating anybody? She's like, I am. I don't want anyone to know that I am dating somebody. He's a 32 year old model. I'm like, good for you. She's like, yeah, he's waiting in a bed in Montana. Oh, like they, she came from like big sky. They were saying she came to the thing and she's going back to him. And I was like, okay. And I'm, is he a real model? Is he like a real model? Look at him. No, he's like, no, I see. No, he's like a real fashion model. No, like a real fashion. Well, cause she just was. Is he in like Prada ads or is he in? I think so. Like she's doing it because she does, she's really into fashion. She does like Vogue and stuff. She just did like a Vogue, like a cover of like one of those Vogue's that's not Vogue. It's like Vogue in another country, but whatever. And so anyway, I just want to say, you know, when you tell me not to say something, okay, I don't because I did not want to share that she had a boyfriend because people said, Oh, you went to the party and you talked to Bronwyn. Is she dating anybody? And I said, um, I don't know, but I think she's doing really well and she looks great, you know, because I thought, I don't want to fuck it up with the husband. If the husband is giving her a lot of money thinking they're getting back together. But now that people has reported that she has a boyfriend, I will say yes. Oh, you had a boyfriend. It's been going on a while and, and let's all cheer for her. I'm going from 67 year old up guy to a 30, 32 year old legit, tall, gorgeous model for her. I'm happy to hear that. Now, how do you feel about Billie Eilish? She made us a statement saying nobody is an immigrant on stolen land, on stolen land, meaning at the Grammys, meaning any, so anybody in America, we weren't, we were settlers and, you know, so anyway, so then these, this land, this, uh, Indian tribe called Tonga. What does that Tonga tribe, they said, hi, actually you're on our land. Yeah. But then they went on to say that they were happy that you pointed it out in, in her speech. Yeah. So there was two sides. Anyway, yeah. I mean, also I want to say nice, but the American Indians are not the ones that are the target of ice either. So the whole thing just doesn't really make, you're not, it just doesn't make sense. Well, here's the thing about award shows. Yeah. You just need to, I think we all need to get comfortable with the fact that sometimes people are going to say the wrong thing. Political statements. And it might be wrong. Like my regret later, it might be wrong. Yeah. You know, um, take it for what it's worth. You can either watch them or not. You know, you know what's common. Right. You know what I mean? Or you can just watch them. I watched the Grammys. Yeah. They were fine enough. I mean, I don't, I talked about how, uh, you know, I always love Justin singing and, you know, he came out with this, the underwear and the purple beaver. Yeah. Beaver, Justin Bieber. And now I'm seeing stuff where people are saying, Oh, that whole thing with the mirror and being like, it's a, that's a humiliation ritual that he went through. And he's signaling like again that he, cause I mean, he was signaling a lot that his experience with P Diddy and stuff wasn't just, you know, playing scrabble. Oh, really? And, and so this was like with the purple guitar, it's like an ode to Prince with the, I don't know. I don't know. The performance was kind of cool. It was totally cool. Yeah. So I hope whatever that situation is, he can signal it all he wants. It, as long as he is still making music and seeing happy, but there you go. Then jelly roll. He said, Hey, leave me alone. I will make a statement in a week after I do these couple of other concerts where people like, Oh, he said a little more than that. He said a little boy, he said, I'm dumb. I'm a dumb redneck, you know, and they asked him about ice and what he thinks about it. Yeah. Afterward, you know, when he was on the, you know, talking to the reporters and he said that, you know, ice, um, he was going to say anything. Yeah. Cause he's dumb and he's a redneck. And which is mean to people who are, he doesn't have a phone from the south and he doesn't keep up with that sort of thing, which all might be true. You know, I don't even have social media. Yeah. Maybe you don't. It's probably healthy that you don't, but like you, you got to, like you're walking on earth, aren't you? Like, yeah. I mean, I understand. Well, I mean, I feel like, I mean, what side do you think jelly rolls on everybody? Come on. We don't know where jelly roll stands. I don't think that's going to be a surprise to anybody that whatever political statement, because he said he was going to make a political statement in the next week or so, but I also feel someone like him, if he's putting out that he's so clueless, all someone would have to do is show him one tick talk and he'd be like outrage too. So it's like just, he's just, yeah, he's like, listen, I, I think with certain stars like that, that they're like, again, he's always like, I'm just, I was in prison. I came from trash parents. I don't deserve to be here only by the grace of God that I'm here. So he's like, I don't want, I'm going to take the advice of his people, whatever. I'm not going to say something that I, that to fuck up my life just to please somebody. And I, I almost kind of agree with it. Hey, I know people will, will, will crucify us for saying this, but yes, like he's just like, I know my audience. I'm not going, I got to pay my bills. So people were probably saying, how do you feel about Israel and Palestine? How do you feel about Russia and Ukraine? How do you feel about the mass shootings? How do you feel about this? How do you feel like all the things that, you know, like, look, I want you to listen to my music and just be inspired to keep going on with your shitty life. Because look at me now. And, you know, now he's lost 300 pounds. He, he may not have social media, but he did have a dentist phone number. And maybe he went to EBST and got his teeth done, but I don't think so. He went to a legit dentist, got some big choppers and looks good. Now I have made a prediction that the next move will be to start to remove some tattoos on the face. You did say that my last time on, and I still think I'm right. Really? He's going to hold off, but this is what's going to happen. They're going to have a baby. Either she's going to have a baby through a surrogate or something. Cause I know she's tried and struggled, but he has an older daughter that she, that they raised together, but they're going to have a new baby somehow. Whether it's adopted or not. And then he'll say, I want my son to like see me as me. And this is my past me. And I, I'm, that's why I'm removing these facial tattoos. Well, if he needs a baby, there is a dresser on Wayfair. That's $9,000 and it comes with a baby. So there's your answer. Um, okay. So then we go, okay. So speaking of drastic changes, Jonah Hill, who, you know, has been in so many great movies, so funny. When he first started, he was heavy. He very hunched back very, that was always bothered me more than his weight. I was always like, wow, when you have bad posture, that's a hard thing to fix. It appears he's fixed it, lost weight, but talk about looking completely unrecognizable here. He is in this movie with Keanu Reeves. Yeah. Um, he's been thin for quite some time. Look, they cut it off. He still is a little hunchback, but he is thin and he's bald and I also think that's great that he changes his looks so much. He's healthy now, but also how great is because he's such a good actor. Yeah. So when he was in the Wolf of Wall Street as the, you know, the fucking friend or whatever, like he fit it and now whatever this movie is. And then we all love Keanu. So the movie is called Outcome. Yeah. Looks good. Yeah. I'll see that. Okay. The Superbowl's coming Sunday. Big Sunday. Of course, LA Rams aren't in it. So I mean, if the LA Rams were in it, it would have been so close. It would have been a whole different thing in LA. Yeah. Like I would have been, I would have been so up by where, what party am I going to go to? What am I going to do? Like it's going to be so fun. It's so crazy, but they're not. And Seahawks and the Patriots. Uh, what are you doing? You, I'm going to a party. We're going to house party. I begged my wife. I said, I just want to stay at the house and watch it. Just me and my daughter and my wife and her. She goes, my parents are going to come over. So that's fine. They don't make any. So you're doing real chill. Okay. Yeah. So, um, and Bad Bunny is playing. Bad Bunny is playing the halftime show, which is people are furious. Are they really furious? Well, you know what I mean? People are furious in a fake way. I guess because he speaks Spanish and I think the entire halftime show is going to be in Spanish, um, cause all the songs are in Spanish. As far as I know, um, it's in San Francisco, which is very liberal too. Right. Outside that's that stadium is quite a bit of a distance outside of San Francisco. Okay. Well, yeah, but yeah, it's, it's up there. I mean, we're gay state. Yeah. Are we ever? Um, yeah. Yeah. So it'll be, I, they'll be, you know, a fun thing if you were to go. A lot of commercials that are already coming out. Some of them they're showing some of the, uh, I think there's one with Jennifer Anderson and Matt LeBlanc back together again. I saw. Oh, nice. Uh, what kind of chip is this Matt? I think it's a Dunkin Donuts. I think Ben Affleck's one too. They're all in it. Oh, I could go for a great cup of coffee. I could. Oh, flavors. So delicious. Yeah. I'm excited to see that. Um, the, yeah, commercials are always fun. It's always fun to watch it with a bunch of people. It's always fun. If you want, yes, an alternative halftime show. Uh, yeah. The all-american halftime show sponsored by, um, you know, the turning point. Jet turning point. Uh, yeah. Erica Kirk and Kid Rock. Are they performing? I got, like, I, I couldn't find the actual. Are you doing a live performance or are they just like going to a place and filming it? No, there's going to be a lot of performance with Kid Rock and several other, uh, country stars, and it's the all-american halftime show. And you could, you could go over to that if you don't want to watch bad bunny on YouTube and rumble and some other places. Right. Um, yeah. So you choose, you choose. That's the beauty of them. There's choices here in America. Here's the thing. Erica Kirk will come out on a bottle rocket. I think, uh, the turning point people maybe got this idea from possibly me because I regurgitated a truth that Keenan Iruanes talked about. Okay. But so Keenan had in living color. I remember that. And the halftime show was not that big of a deal back then. And he had the idea to get people to watch their halftime show where they had David Allen Greer and, um, Keenan's brother, Damon played these speaking of gay, they played these really funny movie or gay guys. And they were going to do a halftime show. Yeah. They were going to halftime show with a fgressive idea. Of course, Jim Carrey was in it and the best funniest characters vividly. And so they're like, yeah, when, for those 15 minutes, come over to Fox and watch the show. And then after that is when the Super Bowl was like, Oh, never fucking again, we're only going to have top entertainment so that no one leaves the thing, but to have something alternative at that time when everybody's watching TV with their friends. And most likely if you're at someone's house, you probably are politically on the same page. I don't think there's going to be half the room being like, can you turn over to the streamer rumble or whatever it is? Like it's either going to be everyone's going to be like, oh, we're watching Kid Rock. A bunch of old ladies go, a bar with the bar to bang, to bang, diddy, diddy. What? It's going to be like, you're going to be like at a party and you're going to be like, let me just go get some Buffalo dip and like, whatever. Um, yeah. So that's, that's what I think. I think they're just like, we'll take advantage of this situation. We'll take advantage of this. Right. Distain for something so stupid. You know, like whatever. Um, Jason Bateman got in trouble because, you know, he is on a top podcast with two other superstars, which I'm like, they're all like in movies all the time. So yeah, I think they make, do their podcasts. I don't think they do a lot of prep. Right. I think they put on their headphones and click on their zoom and they, you know, probably knock out three in a day once every three weeks. I don't think this is something that's not a big deal. You guys watch podcasts. Not many people do too much prep on them. I do. And it's still not enough. Do your research. I'm like, do I need to show you that I'm on my phone? Literally 13 to 18 hours a day. That means I wake up from two to four cause I can't sleep. And cause I'm menopause of mama. I'm menopause manifesting mama. And then I watch these things. You do more prep than most. I'll give you that. I wish I am always like, Heather, put down the phone and watch something, watch some TV. But then we were talking about, we don't know how to work our TVs. We just switched to another thing. A drake computer switched to another thing. And I go, I can't, like, I want, that's why honestly, when, when, I bet you agree with this, you know, when you go to a hotel to do stand up and it's old fashioned TV. Yeah. Oh, I know. It's the greatest. Like I, I know like people make this joke. Down channel. I see it on the guide. Oh, this is on, oh, this old bridesmaids is on Bravo on Saturday. I even go as far as to like, I remember when like CBS was channel two NBC was channel four ABC was channel seven and Fox was 11. And you were like, that's what I'm go. I need. And now it's just like where, I mean, now at this point, we got a new TV and a new system and I, I don't know which way's up. I like, I can't turn on either. I said, they did a whole new thing. And I go, okay, so I don't think I'll be able to watch now Bravo on time. I'll just always have to watch peacock the next day. Not like I don't do a podcast that covers the shit that pays for everything. But yeah, let's save the $42 fine. I don't even know what to do. Like what, like whatever you guys want. Like I guess I'm not, it's not worth fighting about. And then also I have this one remote. Um, and it's like, I've got a ball in the middle. And I, so it's like, literally I have to sit up. And I have to like take my knuckle cause I have long nails and I have to go like, and then I somehow rolled it. And now I'm like, no, and then, and also when you turn off something back in the olden days, if you turned off channel seven and then you woke up and you turned it on, what channel would it be on? Yeah. Seven. Seven. Yeah. No, it starts all over home. Click, click, click, click. Go to peacock peacock peacocks. Is it like, Hey Heather, you were last watching this. No, they're like, it's again. I have to find the thing. I have to find the, then I have to go, no, I gotta go to episodes because. That is why Netflix is number one because they are so user friendly. It is the easiest one to really navigate. It is. Yeah. So, or have you ever like had to write in, okay, let me search for it. I don't know why I can't find this. And you're like on the fourth, let first fourth word and you're like, I know, you realize, oh, this is the even on Hulu. It's on Amazon. Probably something else. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. Well, whatever. I mean, and half the time I quit, I'm like, forget it. I won't watch anything. Oh, back to look at my dumb phone. I know. I was going to watch my phone about kids being stuck in cabinets. Exactly. Really horrible news on my phone constantly. And because I tried to watch something. I tried. I tried to watch something juicy and good and you guys made it too fucking hard. Totally. Yeah. Anyway, so Jayce Bateman interviewed Charlie XCX and he didn't know prep and he was like, and you guys want to have, you want to have kids one day or something? And she's like, um, no, I've said, I don't think I want to have kids. And then he goes on. Oh, my wife didn't think she wouldn't have kids either until she met me. Yeah. So that was annoying and annoying to people that are like, I am child free by choice. Like one time I've said childless and they're like, they're people want to come and find me and burn me at the stake. I'm like, I'm like, I think it's great to be childless. Yeah. But you're supposed to think child free. Like you're supposed to say unhoused. Not homeless. Basically just take less out of the vocabulary. Just get rid of that completely. And anyway, um, and then he said, well, maybe he's from front of the right guy and she was well, I've been married for three years. I'll say this. I didn't know that either about Charlie XCX. I didn't know she was married. I think if I had the opportunity to interview her though, at least to have someone tell me a few things. Yeah. But he's doing some new juicy movie. Yeah. A series that is called, um, D F down, wait, what D T F St. Louis about an app that people in the St. Louis area all are getting into and they're all doing deviant things as married suburban people. So that is right up my mouth. Now that I'll say. Juicy scoop that you want a juicy show. That's a juicy show. Speaking of right up your alley. I saw house made. Yes. Loved it. I knew you would love good twist, right? Great twist. Yeah. I was the whole movie. I was loving totally fun. A good acting, good movie. We went to the same movie theater there. I got both the boys to go and they were pleasantly into it. Right. So then that's how I got Drake to go to yesterday's movie. And now I'm starting zero. Now I am no way I'm going to get. I'm going to give you another one that you could make up for that one. Okay. And you could take Drake's send help is fantastic. Okay. What's it about? It's about I can't think of her name. She's from the notebook. What's her name? The girl. Oh, it's not coming to me. Oh, yeah. Look up. Yeah. The beautiful blonde. Okay. Yes. Yeah. And she's like this frumpy girl who works in an office and she's got a real asshole boss and they get on a private jet to go somewhere and it crashes on an island and he's hurt and she takes over. And it's all right. Let's go see that. Is that a nominated one? No, it's not nominated, but it's just came out last week. Okay. It's a great down to go to the movie theater. I like like once we bought the tickets and I was like, Oh my God. It's like felt like the old days. I'm like, it's six 15. The thing starts at six 45. Let's go now. And it was like, I wasn't on my phone for two hours. I should have been because I was watching a very boring show. But still, I know it is kind of nice to go back to the theaters. Last story. I think everything's going to be fine before I start this story, but a seven year old Indiana girl was hospitalized after injecting her mom's GLP one drug because she was always seeing her mom put the needle in her stomach and it was one of those like each one has its own dose. So you have to put it in the thing. And she thought, Oh, that's what you do when you have a stomach ache. So she was seven and she was like, Oh, I have a stomach ache. I'll just do that thing that my mom does. And of course, it was, she didn't know how to do it. So she put all of it in like too much. And she got luckily the mom knew right away to, you know, take her to the doctor and everything and she'll be okay. But, um, you know, I, I have said that I wondered now, this was a little girl doing it. She's seven. She's not obese or anything like that. But I have said, I wonder if there are moms out there that are that ask they're like kids that are older, maybe they're teenagers. Would you like to explore this to lose some weight and then like, leave me alone, mom, dad. And I always wonder if there's any moms like going in at night and just like, I'm sure there are some, I think there's some. Yeah. I always, I always talk about this, but I always remember in Oprah where this woman said, I give my daughter the birth control pill without her knowing it. Oh, because I don't want her to know that she could fuck and not get pregnant. But if she fucks and, and she doesn't tell me about it without protection, she won't get pregnant. Yeah. And Oprah's like, how did she, how do you do that? She's like, oh, I just do a little thing of vitamins. I'll just pop it out and put it in the vitamins. Oh, yeah. All right. I thought that was very weird. Um, one last funny thing, because I think this is just the cutest story. I know I can't, but I always forget that they're married. It's the cutest comedy story. Eddie Murphy's son and Martin Lawrence's daughter got married and they're having a baby. Yeah. I mean, how are they not? Well, there just needs to be a movie. I know it's pretty good. Make the kid like four or five or make the kid like seven, but there has to, someone's got to write a movie about this before they maybe don't end up together with, not that that would happen. They've been married for a bit of time. Hopefully it'll last forever. But like this is just the cutest thing. And I wonder what if they don't really love each other? What if like Eddie and Martin don't really care for each other? I don't know what their relationship is. I don't know. I just think it is, even if, even if this isn't, even if we don't use them, a writer should make this a, just a made up story with anybody. Yeah. We're two, like two top comedians, their kids get together and like make a really funny comedy out of it, but they're super cute and that's adorable. Speaking of comedy, Chris, where is your latest place? Oh my God. The next one I will be at is a Spokane Washington Spokane. Valentine's weekend. I'll be there the 13th, the 14th, 12th, 13th and 14th Spokane comedy club Spokane Washington and going to a comedy club on Valentine's is the best. It's the best because I love when the Valentine's weekend falls on the long weekend. Does it always fall along weekend? No, I don't think so. It's not February 14th. So, and then, so it's like you can milk out Valentine's day. You could see Chris one night. You go do something another night. Gallantines. You can all go see sexy Chris. That would be fun. Yeah. Spokane's fun town. I love it up there. So that's going to be fun. Brea and prop February 19th, Thursday, February 19th in Brea, California, right down the road, Pittsburgh improv March 4th, Raleigh improv March 5th, Raleigh, North Carolina and then Rooster T feathers up in Northern California up there March 19th and 20th. So I'm going to sell out more for Joel. That fund is a lot more maze come in in April. There's a bunch and I will be in Salt Lake City. Maybe some real housewives will be joining me there or sitting in the audience or just being cute, but I will be doing my standup funny act at wise guys in downtown LA and fuck. All right. I will be at Salt Lake City. Wise guys downtown March 20th and 21st, two shows a night, six and eight 30 greatest times ever, really having some fun doing a lot of new material and just laughing with you guys. So make sure you go to that. And then Chris is joining me for Netflix as a joke. Netflix is a joke comedy festival. We are doing a live juicy scoop with your favorites, Chris and then as well, Brandy and Julie, we're really doing it all talking about it all at the Avalon theater and in Hollywood in Hollywood. And we're so excited about that. Everything is at Heather McDonald. There's only a few tickets left for that. There's only a few tickets left. They may, I was talking to them and they might release some if they do that are together because right now there's only some singles, but there are some that were like put aside, I guess. And if they do that, then I will give you guys a code. Okay. So that only the real hardcore to see you there. When's that May 9th? Saturday night. Saturday May 9th at 7 p.m. Like again, an ideal going out situation. I love it. Thank you. Bye bye. In a world of noise and uncertainty, IG is the investment platform that backs you. Take a reflexable stocks, I saw, which gives you the freedom to withdraw funds anytime and replace them in the same tax year, all without losing your 20,000 pounds tax free allowance. And if that's not enough, pay no commission on your stock shares and ETFs when you invest with IG. IG trade, invest, progress. Your capital's at risk. Other fees may apply. Tax treatment depends on individual circumstances and is subject to change.