Ep. 354 - Q&A - February, 2026

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Good, good. How's it going with you? All right. Cruising along, great things are happening. Anything going on with you, man? No, I didn't get to go on Monday with those guys back up to Bluff Creek, and they found a track, like a 12-inch track. Pretty sure it's the same 12-inch as they found before in that area. Oh, that's great. What a day to miss, huh? The day they actually pulled a track. I had a bunch of yard work to do. I was feeling pretty crappy too. I finally rebuilt the lawnmower and got that all running. Rowdy gave me a hand on that. I was going to say rebuilding lawnmowers? Very, very mechanical of you, Bobbs. Yeah, I just couldn't. My fingers aren't getting those little stuff. I don't have any fingernails. He didn't have to do much. He just had to do a couple things and I couldn't get my finger in there. It was nothing. I rebuilt my lawnmowers. It's like doing Legos or something. It's pretty simple. Yeah, Legos with a combustion engine on them. That's another way you're kind of like a Sasquatch. Because I've seen your fine, fine motor control, like your musicianship. You don't have that necessarily, but you have a power grip. You're able to rip a leg off the back of a deer if you need to. I used to have a killer, crazy, strong hand grip. Yeah, yeah. They got to look at your thumb position and compare it to a Sasquatch, man. They got me beat there. My thumb's too opposable. Yeah, I know. I've always said that about you. And your attitude is so oppositional. Yeah. But yeah, I just saw that text you sent with the handprint you got yesterday. That was cool. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been about a week or so since I've been out. There's so much to catch up on to, Bob. So I guess we can start with that. I went out yesterday because, you know, there was a track find a couple of weeks ago, found a handprint initially. Then I scoured the two adjacent valleys and found prints in both of them. I went out, I think over a period of two weeks, I was out six times or maybe two and a half weeks. I was out six times. I don't remember. It was a while ago now. I have it written down, but I don't pay attention to what I write usually because I'm always off to something new. I found a bunch of tracks from this thing, usually snippets of trackways, I think is probably the best way to say it. At first, it was in one valley, I found a couple, like four or five tracks. And then the next valley over, I found that handprint. I ran out of time. So I came back two days later and then located some other tracks down in the valley towards where the creek is. came back again a couple days later and you know been going back there you know and every time i find you know two or three tracks in a row or five or six in a row and not really good stuff mostly in duff but then i i was so tied up because this past weekend was squash fest up in kelso longview we'll get to that in a minute we'll get to that in a minute so i couldn't get out for a little while i was preparing for that i had all these other responsibilities to take care of but I finally got out again yesterday. So it's been about, I don't know, seven, six, six days, I think, since I was out, which is kind of a long stretch for me. And I went to the same spots. See, cause I had exhausted all of the adjacent valleys. I went into every adjacent valley from the location where the two track or the two valleys where the tracks were found. And I couldn't find anything else. You know, I didn't spend like all day in each valley or anything, but I tried to hit two or three of them, uh, walked, you know, a mile or two in or something like that and out and that kind of stuff. Well, I did about five miles on one road in one day. That's probably the most I walked. And that took hours, right? Because when you're tracking, you're not walking slow. Yeah. You're not hiking, you're tracking. And, and that was a slow, slow walk. Right. But I went back yesterday and hit the two places where I found tracks before number one. So like, I could probably find more tracks if I went further, like find more tracks of what I, found a few weeks ago, but also just to see if they had come back because this is the time of year that they're kind of cruising around those areas. And I found, I got positive hits on both of those things. Number one, I did find more tracks down in the ravine there, but much further up than where I had gone before. Previously, a couple of weeks ago when these tracks were much fresher, all the time, all the trackways that I found were always pointing upstream. So this time I went to the end of a road where I usually drop down to the creek. There's this abandoned old dead-end logging road in there. And I went another third of a mile or half a mile up off trail and then dropped down in there. And that is some gorgeous country. Just steep ravines and near the bottom of this valley. And it's Jurassic back in there. Some of the tree falls down there. The trees are four or five feet in diameter. They're really intense trees. They're really cool, man. but I found a couple tracks back in there that were probably the best guess I have it's probably laid down the same time that those tracks a few weeks ago were but in the meantime and a few other spots I found larger tracks I found the 14 inch because usually we're finding the 12 but I found the 14 how far these would be other spots like that you're finding stuff like a mile two miles three miles well I don't know about three miles apart two two miles not even that far probably two miles apart, mile and a half apart. Something like that. I hit that valley first and I found a bunch of possible maybes and a couple probabilities. You know what I mean? Because in Duff that's kind of the best you can do sometimes. Nothing super cool, nothing you can cast or anything like that. I didn't attempt to put any plaster in any of these things. And then I went to the other spot where I've taken you before actually. And I walked in there as well. And the normal stretch I didn't find anything, but down the side road, I walked down there and I found some tracks back in there a couple of weeks ago. That's the first tracks that it really maybe started thinking, oh, shoot, they're here right now. And in between where I found the tracks last time and the turnoff, about halfway in between, I found some other interesting impressions. One of which I put plaster in and it turned out to be a handprint, which I thought was pretty cool. That's the one I sent you a video of. I wasn't quite sure what to make of it but I was thinking dude that looks like it might be a thumb but the thing is I think it was on the embankment right above the road you know those slopes that go up into the hills it put its hand down and it moved its hand around and the fingers made a number of impressions but the thumb kind of stayed put almost like it was maybe putting a little bit of weight on the butt of its hand like where the intereminence is and it kind of moved it around a bit so there's a number of finger impressions in there but four really decent ones. And then the thumb, the thumb is very impressive. You know, you can see that very clearly. And I, Matt, you can go ahead and put that video on the members section. So our good members can check this out. And of course, anybody who wants to be a member, that's where we put the good stuff. Maybe you want to be a member, five bucks a month. It's cool stuff. But so that was yesterday. That was yesterday and pretty excited about the way that cast turned out. One of the better hand casts that I've poured, except for a lot of dumpy hand casts that don't look like anything at the end of the day, but you can actually see it in this one. Yeah. But other, there's other things going on and i guess before i forget about it too because this is fairly important i i understand that our good friend tom cantrell has passed away oh yeah that's it yeah yeah i was writing a thing and like they said like yeah they're reading him stuff and i get on and i was writing it and then as i was writing my message to him on on facebook like a private message someone put up that he died like he just died five minutes ago and i was like oh man like I didn't get to say bye to him because I liked him a lot. I thought he was a really cool guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. I couldn't disagree with him more about the nature of Sasquatches, but he was always really fun and cool, and I liked the guy. He'd always come by the booth at Squatch Fest and say hi, and we had great conversations. Yeah, I enjoyed my time that I had with Tom Cantrell, man. Nice dude. Yeah, and so I didn't finish because then I found out he was still alive. Like two days later, I heard like, oh, yeah, he's still like there's a couple of women staying with him that are just reading him as the messages come. and they just read them to him, and he's just, he's like, filled with peace, and like, I was happy to hear from everybody. I was like, oh, man, like, I missed my chance. No, I'm sorry to hear that, but not as sorry as I am that he died, so. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and of course, I mentioned it, but Squatch Fest was this past weekend. Had to be epic. Yeah, it was all right. It was pretty good, man. I was a little concerned, as I voiced earlier, I think, on a podcast with their introduction of the UFO thing, in an endeavor to broaden the tent, you know, make a bigger tent for more people to come in and enjoy the event, which is a really great event. Really enjoy it every year. Yeah. The attendance was pretty good. I mean, I think the numbers indicated a slight drop in attendance, but it was barely noticeable as far as I could tell. And I know at my booth, which I put at the very, very end of the hall because I didn't want to be in the middle of everything. I was at the very, very end of the hall outside the speaker room. So I poked my head in a couple of times and caught little snippets of various people's talks. I saw Kathy strain. I didn't, again, I couldn't watch anybody's talk because people would come by my table or whatever, but I saw Kathy was largely talking about her observations of Sasquatches at Area X and was showing a lot of the stuff that I've seen in like the, in the monograph, you know, from NEWAC. So it was great to see her up on stage again. And it was also very, very nice to catch up with Kathy and Bob Strain. Kathy, of course, is a very, very good friend of Dr. Jeff Meldrum's widow. So we had a lot to talk about there. But I'm a little disappointed. I will say I'm a little disappointed that I did not know that Bob and Kathy were going to go to my museum. Otherwise, I would have gone down and met them there. I wish I could have shown them around. I love it when friends come by and I just want to show them all the cool stuff and go a little deeper. so that was cool i had a special treat on friday night i got a text at the towards the end of the day there that from our good friend derrick randalls and derrick actually drove down just to have dinner with me after i got off of work that day on on friday at squash fest yeah so derrick and i sat and went to the mexican food place over by my hotel and we had catching up with derrick i haven't seen derrick in like a year so he's all into hiking and being all healthy and really happy for him. He seemed to be thriving. And then, of course, I planted the seed. Hey, come on the podcast. And he goes, yeah, yeah, let's figure that out. Let's figure that out. So yeah, that was a treat. Also, the next night, so that was Friday night. Saturday night, I texted our good friend Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles. And because he lives up in that general area. And he's right there. Yeah, yeah. So and we arranged dinner together. He goes, I know just the place, Cliff. I know just the place. It's got the best steaks in town. And I was like, dude, it's Longview, though. like Longview's not that big a town no no it wasn't it was like I think it was Blue Star some bar that a couple years ago after Squatch Fest we all went and had a couple beers over there and it's like Blue Star or something like that and I was thinking alright man we'll see whatever but sure enough it was honestly one of the best steaks I've ever had in my life it was like a totally legit awesome ribeye and it's like Wes man I will never doubt you again man I'll never doubt you again. And Wes listens. So Wes is for you, buddy. I will never doubt you again. Oh, but there's even more to talk about. There's even more to talk about as if that wasn't enough. I met a gentleman named Michael Wallace, the son of Ray Wallace. No way. How old is he now? I hesitate to venture a guess, but my, I would put him at maybe 70, give or take a few years. I was going to say he's got to be at least 70. Yeah. I hate to say like, oh, he's 75 and he's like 62 or something. or whatever, or vice versa. You know, I hate to say that sort of thing. But yeah, I met him and what a delight. I will say that. What a delightful man. I went up, I heard he was there. And I said, oh, I gotta go meet this guy, right? Because I'm a student of Bigfoot history, as are you too, I might add as well. I went up there and I go, Michael, my name is Cliff Berwick. And he goes, oh my gosh, I wanted to talk to you so badly. So I'm so glad you came over. And I bought one of his books. The book that I think is called Son of Bigfoot. And he's completely convinced that his dad was responsible for all that Bigfoot stuff back in the 50s and 60s. And I think Ray Wallace was responsible for some of the stuff. I'm not so sure about all of it. But nonetheless, I bought his book. He's a lovely man. We hit it off. He has a great sense of humor. He even, he said, you know, Cliff, I want to make it very, very clear. He said this at the very beginning with his hands up, you know, like, hey, just, hey, hey, don't punch me. But it was more like, hey, I want to make it very, very clear that even though my dad was responsible for all that early stuff, that does not mean that hairy hominoids don't exist that's a completely different subject so but you know if my dad was saying stuff i'd totally believe it too but lovely lovely man and we're going to be we're going to be getting together in the next month or two yeah well rave i mean i don't think he even had any kids of his i think i think him and his wife adopted like 12 to 15 like a lot of kids off reservations and stuff like i know like he was like a truly generous man, like, you know, like took care of tons of kids and he sounds like a really good dude. Michael Wallace was in fact adopted. He said, I can't remember how old he was, was it like eight months or something? It wasn't very old, like no more than a couple years old. And he was adopted and immediately brought to logging camps. And he basically grew up in logging camps moving from spot to spot to spot. So he saw a lot of stuff and he said he would never trade it for anything. It was the best way to grow up. So a lovely man. So I'm going to get together with him the next couple of months and take a look at some of those stompers and see if I can document those appropriately and even try to match them up to various casts in the data set. So that'd be fascinating. Yeah. It's one of our responsibilities as Bigfoot historians is to weed out hoaxes from the data set and see what else is left over. And it turns out there's a lot left over, of course. But so yeah, those are the highlights of Squatch Fest. Pretty good. Pretty cool. Those are good highlights. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 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But you know, I know that we have a Q&A to do today. But before we jump in, I received something at the museum while I was out of town. And it was a gift And I can only assume it came from one of our listeners I can only assume it came from one of our listeners Because just recently wasn I talking about this is really a gift for my wife Wasn I talking about how Pittsburgh has her own language I think so Pittsburghese You know I was talking about how my wife she doesn say the ice is slippery She says it's slippy outside. Right, right. Which is adorable. Yeah, and then of course, if you're nosy about your neighbors, you're not nosy, you're nebby, right? Well, it turns out that we got a box, I think it was at the museum, of a mug that says slippy on it. And then, you know what pierogi is, right? it's like a polish dumpling a little polish dumpling yeah it's a very very polish pittsburgh sort of uh pole pole my wife's polish the thing that they have for christmas and other special occasions john wilk knows all about this he's a lovely polish gentleman but yeah and so the the mug says slippy and i got a magnetic pierogi that says nebby on it and it comes pretty pretty awesome we have the best listeners in the world and of course this comes from a company out in pittsburgh called pittsburgh pottery so everybody should go check them out maybe matt Pruitt can put their link or something in the show notes. That'd be awesome for them. So thank you to Pittsburgh Pottery for those lovely gifts that I never saw coming. I think was so cool. So thank you very much. You made my wife very happy and there's no way to make me happier than making my wife happy. So thank you. All right. What do we got for questions, Pruitt? We got a number of voicemails, number of written submissions, so we can dive right into those if you guys are ready. Ready. Ready or not, here we come. Yeah. Hey Cliff and Bobo, my name is James and I'm 14 years old. I've always believed in Bigfoot, but I have recently become a lot more interested in the subject after listening to your podcasts. Last weekend I listened to Visions of a Post-Discovery World and I was wondering, when do you think Bigfoot will be discovered and recognized as a real thing by the world? do you think it will be in five years, ten years, or longer? Well, we were just talking about that recently. I was just saying, for 25 years in a row, I've lost, for like five times I've lost, it'll be discovered the next five years. So I'm not making any more predictions. I hope it's in the five years because it's so I want to bet. I think I talked about that. I have a bet with Dr. Todd Disitel. Yeah, yeah, a steak dinner in five years. I think I'm naive. I think I'm too optimistic, honestly. I believe, I personally believe it'll be more like six to eight years if I had to put a number on it, which I do because James asked me here. I asked us, I should say. But I hope it's within five. But the worst case scenario, I get to have dinner with a PhD that knows a lot of stuff. So that's not a bad thing, you know. But I have to buy him dinner. So hopefully he's not too hungry that night. Make him come out to Longview and do it there. Oh yeah, that's a great idea. If he's out this way, I'll definitely suggest that. He would love that. Yeah. So I don't know. Matt, do you have a thought on that? When do you think it's going to happen? I try to remain optimistic and keep in mind that it could happen any moment or it could not happen in my lifetime. And either way, I just have to keep doing what I love doing and what I'm committed to doing and hope for the best. Very political answer. It's not a political answer. It's just a, you know, I think in the beginning I was very starry-eyed and naive and I got into the subject thinking, I'm going to make a huge difference. And then started doing a lot of reading and research and realized how much was out there and then thought, oh my gosh, I'm too late because there's so much discovered. Discovery will happen any day now. And that was over 20 years ago. And so it's like, well, you want to be somewhere in the middle of all those things to think, well, it is up to me to try my best to make whatever contributions I could make. It could happen any day now, or it might not happen in the next 20 years because I've already gone 20 years without it happening. And so the best you can hope for is that, you know, you're just enjoying the journey and putting in what you can along the way, but keeping in mind that it could happen today or 30 years from now. And none of that should really bear on, you've got to do what you've got to do today. And that's that, you know, there's that great proverb, you know, there are two great times to plant a seed 20 years ago and today. And so I just try to plant seeds every day. You don't what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Very sensible. So I think a good way to do this, because some of the voicemails are a little more on the fun, like off topic side. So rather than front loading all the voicemails and straying away from the Squatch, let's do this one differently. And I'll intersperse written questions with the voicemails and we'll just go one by one. So it's not all the voicemails up front. So here is a written submission for you. Matt Pruitt, he's our leader. You want to Take this one, Bob, or you want me to do it? Yeah, I got it. John Rudolph. Hello, all. Great show. One of my favorite podcasts, and I look forward to every new episode. Do you guys know of any researcher that chipped themselves with a tracking device under the skin where it wouldn't be detected or by some other means that if taken by Bigfoot could be tracked and located? No. No, I don't. I love it. I love it. I think Bobo should do it. I think we should put a chip in Bobo. absolutely no that would help with the production of this podcast anyway because we're like where the hell's bobo we could just pull up an app yeah so markle the beast dude when i got sochi we of course put a microchip under the her nape or whatever wherever they put it right but bobo i have a couple of those air tags are a lot bigger but you're a bigger guy yeah i should just i can glue one on oh no i say we put it right under the skin you know we just should pull a tag seven and put some string traps around Bobo's like porch and front door, back door where the burr gets caught, you know. It'll just stay on them for like nine or ten months and we'll track them by air and by land. There's some weird people following me, dude. Get some planes going over and you can track them like that. Yeah. That's a great idea. But no, John, there has been an effort, we've talked about it a number of times, to deploy radio tag transmitters. So I'll put a link to that in the show notes again. But you can go back through episodes that we had with Mike Mays and Daryl Collier and a number of people, Angelo Caporella. I talked about it a bit, but no one's ever kept a tracking device on themselves hoping to be abducted by a Sasquatch. I think you'd have bigger problems if that were the case. Yeah, I think if Bobo suddenly thought that was a great idea or you for that or me for that matter, I would hope that my friends would step in and say, you've done this enough. Right. And really, you know, if I did that to myself in hopes of being taken away, like, you know, shanghaied by a Sasquatch, I would have such good footage if that was an issue. Like, you know, I got to plan it appropriately, so I've got this chip in me first. Imagine the footage that I would have before that point. Oh, yeah. Insane. In Area X, we had a Garmin inReach that the NAWC owned, and that's like a personal locator beacon. You can send it SOS and it'll send out via satellite to contact numbers that are pre-selected and give your exact lat longs. That's what they're used for, but you can also send text messages from it. So anybody that's out in the field alone should have something like that on them anyways in case an accident or something like that happens. But you could always press the button once the Sasquatch picks you up and just keep pressing it en route or something if that were the case. But if only Albert Ostman had had such technology. That technology had only existed 102 years ago. Well, and as you're being carried around, if you can just take, you know, fistfuls of hair, you know, just grab and pull it out. They'd probably think it feels good, you know, because like a scratch on your back and you'd get, you know, five or six, seven hairs per fistful. Done deal. Species real. We could prove it. Send it to Darby. Done. Over. You have way. Then the real learning starts. Then we can start tracking these things. Then we can learn out, learn where they're going and why they're going there, et cetera. All right, so here is the next voicemail. Hello, my name is Jeff. I'm from Minnesota. And I just got done reading Ron Moorhead's book about the Sierra sounds. And in there, he has pictures and he talks about casting footprints. And I remember speaking to Cliff one time at a conference in the past, what he thought about the Sierra sounds. And now that I know about the castings, I was wondering if he's ever taken a look at those castings. And if he has, what does he think of them? Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Ron brought one of the originals to the Sierra town hall meeting when they're doing Finding Bigfoot. Now, of course, I have photographs of them as well. And I also have the books, so I've seen some of them. I honestly, I don't like them. I mean, they might be real, I guess, but they don't look right to me. I mean, I'm not the only one. I talked to Dr. Meldrum about this as well. And Dr. Krantz, he writes, there's a very quick throwaway line in his book that where he says that, I think he was talking about vocalizations at the time. I'd have to go back and check. But he says he took one look at the cast and then wrote it all off. Basically, it's nothing, right? The cast is terrible. Yeah, it doesn't look right. It doesn't look like it was made by a living foot. I don't see the variation. Now, I haven't been exposed to all the data. I've seen one cast. You know, I don't know how many they took, of course, but I've seen, and Ron's a friend. I want to point this out as well. I don't, it's not like I disbelieve Ron. Like, I don't think Ron's lying about it, about what happened there, you know, but the cast doesn't sit well with me. It just doesn't look right. There's something off about it. And therefore, I've never really spent a whole lot of time with it. But I, they, they probably cast more than one. That would be very informative, I think, because I certainly have footprints in the collection that alone don't look right it's as simple as that like one track out of context is very little to go on and it's hard to come down a hard reel or not based on one track but if i had a couple casts um to look at then we can then we're getting somewhere then we can really take a look but as far as i can tell from that one footprint that i have been exposed to it just didn't look right it didn't look like an animate sort of foot that interacted with the ground in a natural way it just doesn't look like that to me i thought he was joking when he pulled that thing i thought he was like like oh this is what this is the one we got you know i thought it was like he's just gonna laugh about it and i was like i was like oh man that's like the worst that's that's i said something he got offended like that's that was a real big foot check i said no no it's not you know i was like that is not a real footprint cast yeah i i have problems with it and i i wish that wasn't true you know because so much of the the vocalization stuff is hinged on the rest of it and and again i don't think ron's lying i i know the guy pretty well i consider him a friend i always talk to him and when we're at events together but i just don't i just don't think that track as an isolated thing is not real you know i think that that that cast maybe has something to do with that track i think that has something to do with that there was that camp later on they didn't even know about that was like 600 yards away that was there for like several years so i'm wondering if a couple of those guys from that camp you know screwed them on the you know doing the the tracks yeah i don't know i don't know much about it but yeah because vocalizations aren't really my forte so i'm not sure yeah i'm just not sure about the whole thing you know but It doesn't look right to me. One of those guys said, too, that the toes matched exactly like the ladle scooper they had. It looked like someone made it with the ladle. Yeah, you probably have more information about it than I do. I really don't know. I just sent you a photograph of that cast, by the way. I had a copy of it back in the day. I'd love to have a copy of it. Man, I'd love to have a copy of that. It's one of those things I've never been able to get a hold of. You know, I think I talked to Ron about it at one time and he has the original at home. But again, if there's more than one, well, I'd love to see that. I'd love to see the cast next to each other and be able to compare them side by side. But toes look just a little funky to me. But then again, like I said, I have a number of casts that in isolation wouldn't look like something that was very compelling. But in context, they're very compelling. So the context matters a lot here. And I don't just mean like, oh, it was found in the snow or found in the ground. I mean, in the context of other tracks from the same trackway, that would be very compelling to me. Yeah. So I'll reserve complete judgment, you know, because I don't have all the information. But based on the one cast that I observed in person, and I have a photograph of it, I'm not super impressed with the print. but and and neither were you know meldrom and kranz either so to be fair so but again i i know ron and i like ron and i have no reason to doubt him but the print looks funny yeah i like the audio just the track i think is just ludicrous yeah well mostly because the toes in particular the toes in particular are are oversized which doesn't bother me because there's always slipping and sliding and pulling out and all that kind of stuff. But not only are the toes all a little bit, perhaps too big or most, but they're all the same size. And that's problematic. You know, like it's one thing if they were very similar to the same size, but much smaller than that. But the fact that they're all really large and all that same size, that's problematic to me. but I don't know I mean I've never it's been what year did we do that I mean I'm looking at right now we I haven't seen the cast in person in since 2012 that's when I took this picture that I just sent you so in 2012 I got to observe the cast and I've learned an awful lot about footprints and casts in you know the 14 years since then so I would love to have another look at it of course especially in context with other tracks that might change my mind about this stuff Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. 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This one comes from Brian Swift. Are there any videos of a Bigfoot throwing a rock or any reliable witnesses who have claimed to see that happen? If so, are they throwing overhand like a baseball pitcher, underhand, or sidearm? You've got this one, Bobes. Yeah, like under sidearm, like a softball pitcher, but it's kind of raised up higher, like a discus thrower kind of. But yeah, they don't throw overhand like a baseball. It's more like a softball pitch with the palms facing where it's throwing towards. But chimpanzees are terrible at throwing. They can't hit anything hardly, especially anything at any distance, whereas bigfoot are supposed to be able to, people have seen them throw rocks and knock grouse or turkeys out of trees, just like, bing, just nail them. And I think they've got to be pretty good at throwing rocks because they throw rocks around people all the time and rarely hit anybody. Whereas if it was just random, they'd be hitting people way more often. yeah you'd think so yeah derek randos when we get him on here he gives a great description the one he saw throwing rocks at him oh yeah yeah i forgot about that that's right yeah yeah i love i love that kind of stuff like hearing that like when people describe that sort of thing yeah it's neat to hear uh sighting reports when it's more than just a road crossing or something you know yeah when there's a little bit of meat in there where you can learn a little bit about maybe how they do something or some behavior that's not often observed those are the ones that tickle my brain the best. Right, right. We don't get a lot of observations like that though, unfortunately. Not enough at all. So here is the next voicemail. Hey Matt, Cliff, Bobo, Ron Cook from Southern Colorado. Matt, keep up the good work behind the scenes. Cliff, Bobo, I'm a big fan of you guys'. I just listened to the importance of Bigfoot history. I do have a question for you and a comment I do believe that in order to prove the species information needs to be shared freely There are a lot of organizations and websites that have information available that are behind paywalls I understand trying to make a living off the information you have but the $5 a month is just too much for some people who are disabled and on fixed income. Some people cannot afford $5 for Bigfoot and Beyond membership and $5 for North American Bigfoot Center membership. And I know other places do the same thing. I do like what Jet Mildred did was getting in some of the Bigfoot prints online so we could look at them, even though they're missing a bunch of information like date, time, when, and where those prints were taken. What's your opinion on all this? We've talked about it. I don't think anyone's putting information behind a paywall that is necessary for other people to be effective in the field in their own efforts. Like I know with my experience with the BFRO for seven years and the NAWAC for seven years and this podcast now for seven years that all the best stuff is put out right front and center. And so we might hide things like a witness's full name or their email address or contact info, or if it was on private property, we don't say exactly where that siding occurred. But if there's anything to be gleaned from the environmental context of the observation, the behavior exhibited in the encounter, anything that the researchers did that seemed to elicit a response or an approach or something like that, like all that's always been publicly available through the BFRO, in my experience, and DNAWAC did a lot of that stuff. The only things that were really hidden, you know, would be sensitive locations, like location information, especially if something was ongoing. That way you sort of reduce your exposure to people who might want to come in and, you know, plant fake tracks or try to interfere in some way, you know, for fun or, you know, quote unquote, hoaxing. And Ron, if it makes you feel a little better, I promise you there's nothing behind the Bigfoot and Beyond $5 paywall that would be earth shattering to the Sasquatch research community. I can promise you that. I mean, we share images and things because it's easy to make posts and hosts all that stuff in one place, a lot easier than it would be to constantly edit or update a website on a daily basis or social media. But I don't think there's anyone out there withholding information that if it were released, the discovery of the Sasquatch would happen at a faster rate. I honestly don't think that's the case. Yeah, and I can speak for the NABC Patreon for $6 a month, actually, because I'm trying to get five and they, you know, Patreon nickels and dimes, you know, but $6 a month. I don't think I'm sharing secrets there, you know, like nothing that you can't get elsewhere. I'll put that out. And it's mostly, I mostly do that because a lot of people ask me how they can support what I'm trying to do, you know? And so I made a thing where they can help support it. And in return, they're helping pay the rent, basically, because I'm running a business at the end of the day. I'm running a business that shares information about Sasquatches at the end of the day. The real, I guess, meat of the NABC Patreon would be those videos that I share. At the last day of the month, I publish a short video documentary that I make. I personally make that because my employees who used to make that with me have all left, but so it's all me now about our field efforts or a deep dive into a piece of evidence or something like that. And I know it's behind a paywall and I apologize about that, but it is a business and whether I like it or not, rent and utilities and employees and things, they all cost a lot of money, honestly. But at the same time, what I've been doing to kind of counteract that, counterbalance it, maybe is a better word, is after a couple of years, sometimes it's a year, sometimes it's three years. After I publish those videos to the members, I am putting them out for free. I'm putting them out completely free on YouTube. You know, and I put a commercial in there because what, you know, what YouTube channel doesn't, and it doesn't add up to much. I'm more than happy to make 50 bucks a month or whatever it is on advertising. Because again, I'm running a business here and that $50 doesn't sound like much for a lot of people, but it sure helps a lot. you know because lots of things cost 50 bucks in a museum right so i am kind of a counterbalancing this paywall thing with putting the the best stuff that i have behind the paywall which is the videos that we do those are out for free they're just older so you gotta be patient about that stuff i guess that's the only difference the other stuff that i put out yeah i might like i might put out like that say that we talked about that video of the handprint that I sent to Matt and Bobo earlier. I'll probably put that out to the patrons maybe today or tomorrow or something before this episode airs. Yeah, like little special things because they are helping me and they are kicking down six bucks a month or however much they are. I understand, trust me, I totally understand poverty, you know, or not having enough money or not having enough spare money is a better way because you don't have to be living in poverty to not have enough spare money for Bigfoot. You know, I get that. But on the other side of it, we do what we can. We put things out for free. I mean, the podcast is free, just not behind the member stuff is for extra, you know, and the museum members extra. And you still get the videos eventually. You just got to wait longer. You know, just to alleviate Ron's concern, I don't in my experience, I've never seen anything that was hidden that would have been absolutely earth shattering or groundbreaking or had made a tremendous amount of progress if it were public. And you could say to some degree that the BFRO information is quote unquote behind a paywall, but that's really just because, you know, there has to be some vetting process in place. And so people, they get access to the internal database are typically people who've attended a BFRO expedition and there's costs associated with that. Or in the NAWAC, you know, you apply for membership. That's a nonprofit organization that's funded solely through member dues and the occasional donation. But so you become a member. And then after some vetting process and getting to know other members and contributing in the field in some way, then you get full access to the NAWAC's internal forums and database. So in a way, I can see that frustration, but the purposes of those things that are hidden are mostly like processing purposes, you know, so that a report comes in and some investigator can get in touch with that witness and have a conversation with them or meet them on site or so that the NAWAC can carry out field operations in a sensitive location with, you know, sensitive personnel data, etc. And then from that processing, all the best stuff that emerges from that is immediately given to the public, whether it's everything you read in the monograph or what Mike Mays put in his book Valley of the Apes or what the BFRO publishes to their public database or Cliff puts out to the public or what we talk about here on the podcast. I mean, even if someone said, oh, I only have the public domain to go through, well, that'll take a lifetime. You know, so there's plenty there. And there's a sifting process that makes sure that only the things that we believe are the best and most useful, the things that have the most utility for other researchers are what goes out there. So I can promise you that there's no information behind a paywall that would be a game changer, Ron. Well, and also one final thought is I put my stuff behind that small paywall because the stuff I see it all the time, the stuff I put out publicly, I just get raked over the coals for it. You know, like people trash my name. They say I'm lying. They say I'm a grifter. They say that, oh, I heard this guy. I heard Cliff said this. And, you know, I never did. But they're saying and that's how rumors start. It's like I get abused and trashed and just thrown under the bus of anything I put out publicly because a lot of people see themselves in others and they assume that I'm a liar because they probably are liars or something like that. I don't know. I don't know. Matt's much more interested in psychology than I am. I have no idea what causes all that. So I eventually had to put a paywall up because if I want to put up things that I'm excited about, I don't want to hear about how I'm lying and grifting and cheating everybody and how I'm living in luxury or whatever nonsense lies these people out there in the community want to spread about me. So for me, it's a matter of psychological wellness because I'm sensitive. I don't like to think that people are thinking those things about me. And that's why you'll notice that I almost never, almost never comment on any comment on my Facebook page or anything like that because I don't read them. What they think about me is none of my business, and I try to keep it that way. I think it is helpful to have some degree of, for lack of a better term, barrier to entry because there is so much in the public domain and there is no barrier to entry. And so, you know, anyone with any degree of interest, no matter how great or how small that interest is, or any degree of commitment to trying to make a contribution or trying to be a detractor and take away from the dialogue and the discourse, like all of that is going to be present in the public domain. And so some degree of barrier to entry helps with like weeding out, you know, a lot of that noise. And that doesn't mean that everyone who's in solely in the public domain is a noisemaker. That's not what I'm saying at all. We have a lot of great listeners and people that write in awesome emails and send them awesome questions like yourself, Ron, and great thoughtful comments. But as things are going through that process, again, whether it's the, because Bigfoot and Beyond, we're not a research organization. So I can speak for our $5 paywall and say like, well, You know, that's a different situation than something like the BFRO, something like the NAWAC or the Olympic Project, or if we went back to, you know, Peter Byrne's Bigfoot Project, et cetera, et cetera, that you have to have some degree of a barrier to entry because if it's all open source, then, you know, you're exposing witnesses to a lot of shenanigans and trouble. You're exposing sensitive locations to shenanigans and trouble. So, you know, I hope that that makes sense. yeah and the signal to noise ratio out there in the public's pretty pretty off you know pretty out of balance and i i i feel for ron because like where do you go for good quality information but there's so much nonsense out there like i i don't i think if i were putting things out i'd just get lost in the fray and then i'd feel weird about it and then i'd hear more about how i'm a jerk and all these other things that people say about me and i'm just not interested in that by having a slight paywall like that, at least I know that the people who are there, like they want to be there. You know, they don't stumble across the Facebook posts and somehow get offended that I think Sasquatches are real. Or, you know, it seems that whenever I put anything out, people take, some people, mind you, 90% of the comments are lovely and nice and everything like that. But those aren't the ones that stick with us, right? Like we've all read negative things about ourselves. And when you're in the public arena, like Bobo and Iron Matter, that it's, you just hear a lot more of it. But I don't know. I don't know. You smell what I'm stepping, I think. So I'll just leave it at that. But thank you for that question, Ron. I definitely feel for Ron. Yeah. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer logistics manager all while bringing your vision to life shopify helps millions of business sell online build fast with templates and ai descriptions and photos inventory and shipping sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl that's shopify.nl it's time to see what you can accomplish with shopify by your side I know that you want to listen to your podcast, so I'll keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a duroze keuzes, can ASR help? I think, how then? Well, for example, when you're doing a lot of things that you love, you're doing. Will you know more about the insurance where a duroze schade can be? Go to asr.nl slash duurzamekeuzes. This does ASR for you and a duroze. ASR does it. So, we can now listen to your podcast. And here is the next written submission. Steve Schoenberger, to your knowledge, has anyone ever used a Sasquatch decoy similar to Murphy to lure a Sasquatch into an area or revoke a response? We did it in Virginia for the show. We had one out for like a week. Eight footer, cut out plywood, not the Murphy style one. Tom Shea did. yeah he got he scored a like a pretty cool looking fur coat at thrift store if i remember correctly and he put it on a mannequin or something and left it out and apparently they didn't like it if i remember correctly i don't remember i don't remember seeing photographs or anything but and this is many years ago but if i remember correctly tom said that uh he came back and then the whole place had kind of been torn up a bit you know yeah yeah if i remember correctly i don't remember any more details than that but it has happened and yeah i think that's a worthy experiment how you put it in a position where you're fairly certain a sasquatch is going to see it i guess that's the hard part i mean tom had one of those locations but even you know even in my situation where there's a couple valleys that well these valleys are you know eight miles long you know or three or four miles long at least where would you put it you know to be sure a sasquatch and nothing else is going to get it. But interesting idea. I think it's definitely worth it. I mean, I'm not going to drag Murphy out there. Murphy costs thousands of dollars. I'm not going to drag him out there and leave him. Yeah, if he had like animatronics in it, like so it could move around some and stuff, it'd be a trip. It'd be a trip. I'm not sure that would work any better though, because what if they do hear that electronic whirring or something like that? They would hear that. But it'd be fun to do. Because you put it right by a creek or something. It's like rushing water. Yeah, that's true too. Oh, complications. Yeah, I mean, I'm down for it. Like, when I had that gorilla suit thing on, doing that around at night in the Redwoods, I just kept picturing, like, that Trading Places movie with the old Eddie Murphy movie. And when you get thrown on the guys in the gorilla costume, gets thrown on the gorilla cage with a real gorilla. Wait, wait, wait. What is this about you in a gorilla suit in the Redwoods? Well, it was like, remember that we had the, were you there? It was a black ghillie suit, actually. when they why what is this about i don't refresh my memory or is this something brand new it might not have been there it was like dave johnson and me and him were switching off in it because we were like the two biggest guys didn't you wear like a squadgy suit in the uh saget thing maybe that was in those like interview segments because i don't remember you having it on site when we were all there but remember there was all those interview sessions for the dance scene gotcha Because I remember a scene of you like sitting on a couch or chair wearing the suit, but you had the mask off and you were talking about Sasquatch just like casually wearing this like fursuit thing. Yeah, yeah. That was cool. I wish I kept that thing. Well, Steve, construct us a faux Squatch and we will deploy it. For sure. So here is the next voicemail from our friend who wrote in about the Bigfoot shoes a couple of years ago. Hey guys, it's Bigfoot Choose Frank here in Illinois. You guys mentioned that you like playing Dungeons & Dragons. My son plays a lot of D&D as well and wanted me to ask you, what is your favorite D&D class to play? Keep up the great work and keep it squatchy. I do think Frank, I know he's a loyal listener because he's written in several times and sent in voicemails, but I would suggest that you get your hearing checked because Bobo and I are certainly not D&D aficionados. yeah yeah yeah i get heckled by by at least bobo matt's always kind enough not to do that but bobo is not kind enough to not heckle me about it nerd nerd fireball anyway um that larpa guy haven't you ever seen that video it's hilarious that's the best when he's like going lightning bolt lightning oh yeah there you go lightning bolt super funny i love that that's how i picture cliff whenever i think of when he says i'm playing dnd well i've never larped and i don't really plan to It doesn't, I'm not a costume kind of guy. No, but when I have, I haven't played D&D for about a year now. I haven't had a good campaign going, but as far as which character class I like to play, you know what? I like to DM. I'm a control guy. I'm a teacher. You know, I always viewed elementary school teaching as like setting up a daily campaign for my students to go adventuring in. You have a direct message? Oh, Dungeon Master is what they're called. DM. Yeah. So I set up the scenario. I set up the world in which the other players go and adventure. I enjoy that sort of stuff. And I think that's because my, I guess, fantasy roots, if you want to call them that, are in Tolkien. J Tolkien and he was a world builder And that has always tickled my brain in a good way So that where my love of the game lies is creating the world in which others can go have fun So there's your answer for you, Frank. Very nice. And here is the next written submission. Okay, and this one comes from Lee Flanagan. I've heard a few reports of breathing patterns that included chest gurgling and sounds as if the Sasquatch had a cold or an infection. Any thoughts on this topic? Is there enough data to suggest that this is the normal way these things breathe? I've heard it myself twice. Once in Tennessee. That must have been like 2006, early 2006. And then once in Western North Carolina in the fall of 2012. Now, I can't prove that either of this was a Sasquatch, but I've heard that breathing sound. And it was associated with some other squatchy things. So I'm fairly convinced, but I know that people hear those sounds because I've heard that sound. like the gurgling, very wet, watery sort of breathing. And it's so odd, but yeah, many, many people report that. And I just, I've often wondered like, what the hell is that about? Well, the only thing I've heard as far as like anomalous breathing in association with what I think was probably a Sasquatch was in Ohio, at Beaver Creek State Park. Back in the day, heard about this area that, you know, some of the, one of the police officers, I think, did we get pulled over? I think we got, I got pulled over. I'm not sure what it was. Wally there. I know moneymaker was there. I think Wally might've been there too, but maybe we got pulled over or something. We ended up some conversation with the cop and I asked, well, Hey man, do you know any places that are like supposedly haunted where nobody wants to go? I says, Oh yeah, go to this spot. And why did they say it's haunted? Oh, they hear screams and weird noises. That is sweet. Sold. Let's go there. So we went there. It was a walk in the areas, pretty good distance. but when we got there there were all these big blocks like big cement blocks and when i say big like five to ten feet like that sort of thing and we're walking right on top of these because the forest had kind of taken these things over some sort of ruin from the 1800s maybe or something i don't remember when but um something was moving down in between the blocks almost like in a labyrinth underneath them and something got underneath us and did did what mike green referred to as the almighty exhale, if you remember that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, that's the only breathing anomaly that I have heard. And of course, all that is, is just a very obvious and very long exhale of breath, like ooh, but really, really long, like longer than I could do it, that's for sure. I've heard that before, but I haven't heard the gurgling stuff. I'd love to. I'd love to hear anything weird that they have in store for me, but so far, that's the only thing I've been lucky enough to hear. Yeah, I wonder if it's intentional or if it's like some sort of stress response. I don't think that's the normal way they breathe to Lee's question. I don't think they always make that sound. That's total speculation, but it just wouldn't make sense to me. But maybe if they're stressed or, you know, anxious or nervous, etc. Or if they're intentionally generating that sound for some reason. But, you know, we talked a bit about the squishing sounds that have been heard in Area X. one instance in particular was like pretty intense where the things were also growling. Like they were not trying to hide their presence. They were, seemed like they were trying to be intimidating. But yeah, there's so many reports that include hearing that sort of gurgling sound that tends to be the most common like descriptor is gurgling, which is, it's, it's so odd. I've talked to hundreds of people and read reports where they distinctly note, like it sounded like it had a cold like chest congestion yes i've heard a coughing and wheezing and all that sort of stuff yeah wheezing coughing wheezing like short of breath like like i've heard some people say it sounds like a like a heavy smoker that went like went for a jog a possibility is of you know they maybe they're sick i mean everything's sick right that's a real possibility because if you're in the woods and well if you're a sasquatch and you get sick you don't get to take a day off. You got to eat. You got to do stuff. You got to get around. Pay bills. Yeah. True that. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at Shopify.nl. That's Shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. I know you want to listen to your podcast, so I'll keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a durore choices, can ASR help? I think, how then? For example, when you're doing something that's your favorite, you're loving to be. Will you know more about the instructions where a durore schade can be? Go to asr.nl. This does ASR for you and a durore family. ASR does it. So, we can now listen to your podcast. So this is a very controversial subject since it was first brought up. It's been brought up many times by many listeners. But this is the first time we've gotten a voicemail about it, I think. We might have gotten one before, but here is your final voicemail. Hey, guys. Quick question. Listening to the show about six months ago in Bobo, you made a statement that it was completely natural and normal for guys to relieve themselves outside their back porch onto the yard. Cliff, you agreed with him 100%. Now, I had the conversation with my significant other if it would be okay if I did that, and she was pretty disgusted with me. So my question to the crew is that, do you still stand by that statement? Because I do. Absolutely. But how does that go with your significant others? Did they allow that in your houses? Matt, is that allowed in Georgia? Anyway, thanks for all the great entertainment and keep it squatchy. I don't live in Georgia anymore, but the whole time I did, I did a lot of peeing off porches, man. And if I lived in an area where I was invisible, I would be back to peeing off the porch. Yeah, I don't really go so much off the porch. I can't go in the yard here at all because I've got neighbors. But when I was in Samoa on the beach, I could go right outside and pee. You know, she's like, you're going to get caught one of these times. I'm like, I'm not worried about it. You know, I do it after dark. But yeah, I mean, when I'm somewhere like there's no neighbors can see me or whatever, like, hell yeah. Yeah. And I hesitate to say this, but not for very long. Your significant other just might be jealous that you can do that because it's so much harder for females to do this. Right. I mean, it just is true. It's so much more difficult for females to pee in the backyard than dudes, right? My suggestion is this. Get your significant other a she-pee. It's like this little, it enables women to stand up and pee. You know, it's for camping and all that sort of stuff. That might change your tune. That might change your tune. That might be the way to go. Try that. Try that and see what happens. I'm ordering one right now, freaking Valentine's present. it's a great valentine's present actually it is sheepy check it out i can't tell you since that first came up like years ago on the podcast how many people have emailed about that and it seems to be very divisive like people are like some people say we shouldn't even be talking about it at all because it's too disgusting so maybe i'll put a warning label on this podcast or not and then some people are like oh yeah of course you pee outside and then some people are like oh that's It's disgusting. Why would you ever do that? And so of all the things, flesh and blood versus paranormal, non-human ape versus some member of the genus Homo, all the divisive things we talk about, peeing off the porch or peeing in the backyard has certainly driven a lot of emails and comments our way. And so now here we are, 2026, opening Pandora's box once again, or Pandora's jubilant jar. It depends where you live, too. Like, I mean, if, like, Cliff, I mean, it rains so much up there. It gets washed away. But, like, if you're down in Southern California, like, I mean, like, I lived in this one place out in the woods, and I'd pee all the time. And, you know, like, from, like, May till October, it didn't rain once, I don't think, like, really. And, dude, we were peeing up the porch. It smelled so bad by the end of the summer. It was just disgusting. Like, so you got to mix it up or, you know, like, especially in the summer, you know, like, you got to be constantly. I mean, if you live back east and it rains in the summer sometimes, whatever, like southwest, like the monsoons, then it's not so much of an issue if you get your precipitation. But yeah, I mean, if you're somewhere dry or somewhere gets drought, it can get pretty nasty. Of course, you don't want that. You don't want human waste to build up. I mean, maybe that's something that we've never actually explicitly said on the podcast because I forget that people don't know my living situation. But I've got, I've got like 20 acres in the woods, no neighbors. You can't see, you can't see another window from my house. You can't, the neighbors are too far away. I'm not offensive to my neighbors. It's not a smelly situation. It rains in Oregon quite a bit. And even, even this time, like it hasn't rained for a couple of days, but there's still dew on the grass every single morning. It's like, it's getting flushed. It's getting flushed. This is not- Your neighbors do it too. Yeah, yeah, sure they do. I remember talking to one of my neighbors and I said, you know what true freedom is? It's being able to pee outside your house. He goes, no, it's not, Cliff. And this is my neighbor, Gary. He says, true freedom is peeing at your neighbor's house. And he peed. Touche, my friend. Touche. They want $238 for this sheepie. Oh, my God. That's too much. I don't think you should pay that much. I know I didn't. Oh, but the new 3.0 model is one centimeter longer. It's been redesigned to be softer and more comfortable. Size does not matter, Bubz. You know that better than anybody. Well, since there's one more written submission, and it is hygiene related, although it's not about human hygiene, here is your final written submission for the February 2026 Big Fun and Beyond Q&A. It's all you, Bubz. Okay, let's see. Get off my sheepy order form. This is from Francine Fung. I am a fifth and sixth grade teacher in Regina, Saskatchewan. My students are currently studying hygiene for health class. They are wondering if any of you have an opinion on whether Sasquatch have been observed having any hygiene regiments, habits to keep themselves clean and healthy. The students would love to hear your opinions on Sasquatch hygiene. There's only one report that comes to mind supposedly of someone observing like an adult female grooming a juvenile, like grooming its fur, etc. While it was, I guess the two of them were supposedly like feeding and then taking breaks to pick at and groom each other's hair. But I don't know how reliable that. There's probably other ones, but that's the only one that comes to mind. Have you guys heard reports of that? I heard this guy was telling me that they've observed female Bigfoots combing the hair of other female Bigfoots with pine cones. That's amazing. Yeah. I've heard people say they look super well-groomed, and other people say they look like dreadlocks. I've heard both. I've heard people say it looked so healthy, like its hair was clean and shiny. The one I've seen was like that. And then other people say, you know, dirty, matted. I'm sure they get into water quite a bit. You know, we know that in coastal areas and areas with big natural lakes, I would imagine if there's a deep enough river or stream, you know, getting into that stuff, that probably helps a tremendous amount. That was one of the interesting things about the TAG-7 data is that whatever that burr clung to was obviously not an animal that cleaned itself or was groomed by other individuals of its kind. either that or the glue was just too hard but you would think it eventually could just rip the hair out you ripped a burr out with hair and all even despite the rat trap glue that affixed it to it but that was an interesting sort of thing to speculate about whatever that was that thing stuck to it for like nine or ten months yeah that's always that that's me i always said that was the biggest insight into grooming we've had i think of of them you know like as far as maybe like that was you guys thought it was a bigger male that was on right i mean that was before my time. So I don't know if they ever speculated as to size, age, biological sex, because it would be helpful if they had ever gotten close enough to see it. Because if it did have a home range of, let's say, 70 to 80 square miles, well, is that an adult male's home range? And then you would expect female home ranges to be smaller. If that was an adult female, then the male home ranges might be three or four times larger. I mean, who knows? You could have gotten a lot of insight from that. But I don't think they ever had any speculation about age and sex of whatever was tagged if it was a Sasquatch, which, you know, I think it was, but. Yeah. The only hygiene thing I can remember in any report is when Glenn Thomas saw one taking a dump in the river and it wiped its butt with its own hands, but that's not very hygienic. And then lick the fingers. And then lick the fingers. So I guess it cleaned its hands off. There you go. There's the hygiene part of it. But that's the only thing I can remember. I don't think I've ever taken a report of them grooming each other personally. Although, you know, the cleanliness or the raggediness of an individual Sasquatch might give some sort of indication, and we don't know this, of course, it's all speculation or at least an interesting thought experiment. If like those raggedy ones, what if those are the ones that don't have a family group to hang out with and therefore they're not getting groomed at all? You know, maybe that's a possibility. Whereas the clean, sleek looking ones, you know, the ones that look like they're going not clubbing or something like those are the ones that actually have their family group nearby that are available to groom each other you know it's a possibility at least but then again that doesn't line up well with the area x stuff because there's more than one sasquatch in that valley so there is a group of them there but who knows who knows so much so much to learn so cliff are you talking about the she we or the she p well i thought it was a she p okay that's the original oh yeah the OG 14 bucks yeah that's more the that's more sounds like it sounds a lot more like what actually I got for Melissa and this will come out after Valentine's Day so it it won't spoil the surprise for Corita she's gonna love this Bobo is a romantic man here's another good one go girl oh yeah that's a that's another one yeah that's right I like that I like the names we're changing lives out here but we do have a bunch of questions from pigeons. 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