iPhone 17 Reactions Live From Apple Park!

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That's less than the price of a cup of coffee per month. So that's hostinger.com slash waveform. Promo code WAVFORM for an extra 20% off. So far, what is up people of the internet? This, nope, I don't have the sauce. What is up people of the internet? Welcome to another episode, another bonus episode of the Ellis form Andrew Cast. Marquez and David are not here. They are inside Apple park at the event, but we who are not given passes are at the visitor center outside visitor center. We just finished watching the new September 9th odd dropping event in our hotel room and we skirted here to do a cool little outdoor podcast where we could see what the good journalists of Cupertino think about all this new Apple stuff. Or just random people. Or just random people walking by. Yeah, so welcome to the very first waveform man on the street. This will be fun because just like our first live event ever, we don't know if anyone will actually stop by and say anything to us. It could just be us for the next hour. We told no one we were going to do this. So we're just sitting here hoping we catch a few eyes of people that we know or maybe someone who knows the podcast. We also don't know if we're going to get kicked out. Yeah, we don't know anything. So every minute of this episode is boiling with tension. We don't even know if it's not going to rain. It did drizzle before, which would be a big damper. Not ideal. But yeah. Dude, look, that guy is orange on. He's dressed like the eye. Nice. That's hilarious. Yeah, do you want to come on? Yeah. Do you want to be on the podcast? Perfect. Yeah, that would be awesome. Dude, please. Just hold that and we have a couple questions. Did you watch the event today? Yeah, I saw it. You saw the event? Cool. All right, welcome. First guess. This is awesome. This took like one minute and we thought we were going to sit here for like half an hour and no one. What's your name? Thank you. I'm Kavi. Kavi. Nice to meet you. Yeah, do you work around here or you're just around here? I go to San Jose State. San Jose State. Awesome. Sweet. What are you studying? Aviation. Aviation. Sweet. That's awesome. Very cool. Cool. So you watched the event, right? Yeah, I saw it. You did. Was there anything that stood out to you that was like, you're super excited to maybe grab or? I'm just going to get the new AirPods because I lost my previous ones in Santa Cruz six months ago. It felt like a good upgrade for what it was. Ellis is obviously the audio person. Yeah. I would say I think the foam in the tips is going to be cool. I think so too. I think that's going to make a big difference. I don't know. What is it just literally you want new AirPods and these? Yeah. I mean, I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still had the previous ones. I just lost those. Do you see yourself using the heart rate feature? I mean, I have this watch. That's a really good, yeah. It felt like something that like for people who don't use a watch, but then they immediately are trying to sell you the watch. If anything, I feel like if there's an option, I'd turn it off just to save battery. For sure. That's fair. I feel like that's what half the features in most of these events are, like battery killers. Yeah, actually. All right. But I think we got to talk about the real meat of this show, which is the iPhone Air, in my opinion. What phone are you using right now? Oh, yeah. We should start there. I have a 16 Pro. 16 Pro. And you're not interested in upgrading based on anything that happened. Was there anything that... What do you think about the new design, the new design language? I think it's funny that they're going back to aluminum. Okay. All right. Yeah. What do you think about the big plateau that they called it, or kind of the matte finish back? Like it, dislike it? I like it. I mean, I don't have much of an opinion, honestly. That's fair. A lot of tech journalists will try and find an opinion. We'll have to find an opinion. There's no one will listen to us. I think I like the new plateau. I think I'm pro-toe. Plat-pro. Plat-pro max. I think I'm into it. I like it. I think the... What about the orange color? I don't like the orange. You don't like the orange. What do you... If I were to get it, I'd get like the white or silver one. White or silver. Are you just not an orange fan, or you just don't think they did a good job on the orange? I don't know. I just... It just looks kind of strange to me. Okay. Cool. That's totally fair. I think people will either love it or stay as far away from it as possible. I like it because, you know, Adam and I are really into dive watches, and it's like the exact orange that a lot of dive watches have. Some of their like pieces in. Okay. And so I was like, ah, this is... But that's kind of the only thing that really draws me to that phone. I don't know. Have you always been an iPhone user? No. I was on Google Pixels until the 14. Okay. So I was going to ask you, because I feel like a lot of people are going to see are going to be lifelong iPhone users. So if you were to switch back to an Android right now, what would you switch to? Probably not. Just all my friends... Good as. I mean, main reason I switch is iMessage. You know, my friends use it. Yep. Everyone uses it. Yep. And honestly, like, I'm into tech, but this is just simple. Like in high school, they take away our phones and like put it in the phone cubbies, but we can use like the phone mirroring on the Mac. So are you serious? So we all just use that. That's the craziest. I have to tell Marques that because last episode, he was talking about like people having burner phones, but it sounds like you guys found a way cheaper, easier way of doing it anyways. Of course we are like not as smart as high schoolers. Like that is always how it goes. That's insane. The scream. That's really funny. They have to put them in like Faraday cages or something. Like stop that. Like... That's really funny. Yeah. Thanks for stopping by. We'll let you go. Are you just hanging out around here? Yeah, I'm just hanging out. Cool. Got on a class and thought I'd show up. Awesome. Cool. Sweet. Sweet. Yeah. Thanks so much for joining. Yeah. Let me grab this and let me shake your hand. Thanks for stopping by. Of course. You are our very first guest. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you so much. We're back. What's up, Ellis? You know who I am. And today, right now, back here at this moment, we are here with... Chris Nichols. And I do know who you are now. Yeah. Yeah. Finally meet you. And Andrew. It's great to meet you. Yeah. You work at for people who don't know you. Petapixel. Yes. Sweet. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. I love Petapixel. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I hear good things about you guys. Of course, David Mel. He's been on our podcast. We've been with him. Oh, yeah. Look who arrived. David. David. It's good to know he's talking good about us and not trash about us when we're not around. Hey, you said I've heard you. Okay. Okay. I don't know. You've heard lots of other things. Yeah. Yeah. My personal experience we shouldn't get into right now. I'm sorry. But since you work at Petapixel, you are the perfect person to ask about this new selfie camera. Right. Which I was like in the hotel room when we were watching. I was like, that's dope. And these two boys were like, Pixel already had that. Yeah. Like straight up like as a photographer, the only thing that really appeals to me is the new Forex lens. You know, like, cool. Bigger sensor. Great. But video feature wise, I knew some cool stuff here. So selfie cam, the fact that it's shooting square format. Yeah. But actually not giving you square photos. So I'm mad. But for me, I wouldn't use this feature, but I could see so many creators using this selfie camera where you have this sort of open gate kind of thing. It can do vertical orientation, horizontal orientation, and you can keep the phone vertical the whole time. Reframe on your face, follow as you move around. If somebody else comes in the frame, it widens for them. Like that's neat. I'm really sorry. What's cool about that? So Pixel did do the like widening, but the like center stage aspect of it to be able to like crop in on you better. We'll be super beneficial for people who are terrible at framing. Anybody doing like TikTok and stuff, they're going to love this. And the stabilization, like when he was running looked really good. And iPhone stabilization is fantastic. I'm excited because as someone with long arms who sort of built like a stick figure, I'm always the person who's like, Ellis, will you hold the phone for the selfie? No more, baby. Geez. Yeah. I know. I think that's a really smart feature, like anything to make it more convenient. But for those of us that are maybe a bit more advanced, want to do some other stuff. The other thing that really intrigued me is that you can record pro res raw. And and external, but you can record pro res raw and that does proper open gate. So as far as all the gates are open, the iPhone 17 pro is just opening all the gates all over the place. That is really, really exciting. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's really funny. I just watched this YouTube video of this dude was a pedipixel. No, but it was someone comparing all the different international versions of the first Harry Potter movie, which they also shot. It's film, so it's open mat. Right. But would they I had no idea they did that specifically so that when they printed a VHS copy and four by three, they didn't have to crop the widescreen, they could just extend the right the top and you'd have like a more vertical frame. And I wonder if we're about to see four by three video come back. Yeah, we can cut it. It's a cool. But I wanted to. It's a cool option to have whether you're advanced or beginner. System. Yeah, for sure. What you have right now. I've on 16 pro max. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And has it ever overheated on you. So that's an interesting thing. Not for me, but I mean, I'm primarily shooting photos with it, right? I'm not doing a lot of video other than family stuff, but I know Jordan, my compatriot on pedipixel and Tyler Stallman was just on the podcast here at Apple Park with us. They both had issues like that. Yeah, screen is dimming like really brutal stuff. So we've heard a lot of screen dimming. Is this going to be better? They say yes, new vapor chamber, all aluminum, unibody constructions new. So yeah, I mean, it promises good things. Processors, hopefully less energy dependent as well. That's one thing we're hoping about. We keep saying how we wish we could have just shot this on an iPhone, but it would cook out here and definitely over and we would lose it. But we shoot a lot of car stuff for autofocus on an iPhone that overheats all the time. Right. It didn't feel like they didn't say anything in the event about the vapor chamber helping. I guess they probably don't want to. They just said that it's like they went more into what a vapor chamber is this year, I think. But you know, I mean, I love Apple. It's like every single year, it's just everything's two times better, right? So there's a graph. Yeah, two times two X two X. So yes, I'm just, I'm let's just assume it's two times better. I don't know if that's true or not. What you were saying earlier is that Apple did not want to admit that their prior pro res like ultra high overheating. Yeah, and it is interesting in telling that they went back to an aluminum body as opposed to titanium. So that might be part of it too. Just to give more metal to absorb heat and transfer it out. I wonder, I also wonder if now that they're doing the unibody construction, if it's just easier to work with aluminum like that, then it is. I know nothing about any of that. Lots of questions, lots of lots of stuff to answer. Now, why are they inviting like alchemists and metallurgists to this so we can interview them? C and C guys. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, man, okay, before we let you go, you know, to whatever briefings, whatever you have to do here, Mark has actually just messaged me on a slack asking how the pod is going or how the pod went. So as someone who's been here for three minutes, how do you think it's going? Like just you, you and I, you're part of this, man. There's a person we've ever tried something like this. I think it's going great. I don't know. Like it, you're carrying it pretty hard. But yeah, I wanted you to say it. I want to say it, but yes, no, it's super fun. And you guys always really do good stuff. So I appreciate you. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for being here. No problem. This has been a great time. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, we're creating. Yeah, where can we find your work? Well, pedapixel.com. I mean, that's that's the best place. And then on YouTube, I mean, pedapixel, hopefully recognize my face, you know, you know, already that we're now all the way for people. Well, and of course, our videos can be up here shortly. So I'll have a look up for that. This will not. So this will be way too late. It's pretty cool that an event is big enough that people are just like outside wandering around. They're probably still in briefings, honestly. They're probably well, hands on is probably ending around now. And then briefings are going to start. So it's like for those of you who aren't aware, like we're outside of the cafe, which is kind of sectioned off during these events for journalists. And that's where all the journalists are because they can get coffee. No, but they can see us from here. So hopefully someone will notice I can see them too. And I don't see too many people that I know to see yet. But so what's happening most sorry. What's happening most likely right now is you get a set of three or four briefings throughout the day. The hands on experience is probably ending. It's probably a 10-ish minute walk. And then like some people will start their briefings. Some people come back here, grab a bite to eat. That's hopefully when we catch them. Can we do like for people who maybe are new to the channel, new to tech, like how this day, how iPhone day actually works? Sure. Like chronologically. I can do like the quickest rundown possible. Yeah. We obviously come out here, Apple Park. I think what's interesting about this is we are at the cafe, which is still public because it's a public store, but they section off that one. Anyway, you get dropped off at the visitor's center. If you have a badge, you go through right across the street is one of the entrances. And there, depending on if you're at dub dub or the iPhone event, you go to Steve Jobs Theater or wherever the temporary stages. Yeah. And then walk up there a little early at around 10 o'clock. You go into the event, goes on for whatever. And it's like it's like a big open auditorium with nothing in there. And so what happens is you go, you walk downstairs, then into the theater. And by the time you leave the theater, all of the new products are set up. And that's when you have your chance for like to see and shoot a bunch of. Not even hands on. It's like it's it's because you basically can't get a hands on because there's too many people fighting for your lives. It is the first time you see the actual products. And so they'll see that and then that will wrap up in an hour, an hour and a half. And then you get your briefings. One of those briefings for some people is a more private hands on in the same spot, which is where we get most of our good hands on stuff for impressions. And what do you say briefings? What do you mean? It's time slots where people from the Apple team can explain different features or products better so that people who are reviewing things have a better idea of what what things are for their videos that they'll make. And people are already going to start crunching right now. Like everybody who is at that event is now in a time where they can release footage from this event and talk about it. So like some people are probably going to start shooting next to us. Some people are going to start writing like Marquez and he'll shoot a roll after all his briefings tonight. But that's kind of what today is. And then some people might even have some briefings tomorrow. But and you and I have had a lot of silly moments in and around this place over the years at this point. This might be one of the silliest sitting out here with a podcast mic. It might be. I've already watched two people say no to Eric when he invited them on it. So that one hurt a little bit. But we're not here to be there to be a line out the door. No, I still think we're a little early still. I'm actually pumped. We already got those two people. Yeah, me too. Or two groups. Yeah, we weren't even expecting to be recording the real podcast episode already. We were like, let's do an intro. And then people just are like, hey, yeah, try to think of some some fun stories. Most of our stories involve food. This first Alice and I like to absolutely destroy diets. Yeah. So far today I have it is 1243 p.m. I have had a hot dog. I've had crab. I've had curry. And all of them in a pastry. Yeah. And my my stomach is if anyone's ever played like any of the Wario Ware games, it's that's that's like sort of the vibe in there right now. That's pretty awesome. We were talking to Eric. So so Eric is working on a super secret project right now. I can't talk about it at the moment, but it involves going. He's telling me I can, but I won't. But he's he's going through a bunch of old footage. And in it, he found this really touching moment between Adam and I, Andrew and I, me. He found this touching moment between Andrew and I, where it was after a super crazy shoot day. I think I see the podcast. Yeah. And we see David. He's right there. That's why I said there's David. David's getting coffee, completely ignoring us. What did you wow? It was after all day of shooting normal stuff. And then the next day of briefings and stuff. And then we had the podcast episode. We recorded pretty late in the day. It was one of those workshoots where like we were just cooked and exhausted afterwards. But after we finished our last taping, they were driving us on golf carts back to the entrance. And it was just one of those, you know, it's like it's a beautiful California night in September. The temperature is perfect. The stars are not really out in California. And we're driving through this golf cart through beautiful Apple Park. And the guys whizzing and Adam or wow. Second time. And Andrew and I just read this sort of like rent free. I guess now we have to leave that. Andrew and I just had this moment where it was like, dude, our lives, we're so lucky, man, like this is so cool. And we recorded this like sweet outro for the travel vlog video we were doing to the point where like the golf cart zipping down. We're like making jokes with a driver who is awesome. We're like, this was our event. But we're just like, we pause the camera like we nailed that. That was like perfect. This video is going to absolute. Prime. And then we get back to the hotel and listen to it. And it's just. Did you forget to turn on the mic or it was just. No, the mic was on and there was a windscreen, but it was just so windy that it was just like, and it was like, those parts are like, you're facing backwards out the back. So there's almost no coverage to like protect from the wind. Oh my God. That's so funny. Yeah. I really wish we had that because it was. Probably it would have been one of the best scenes in the studio. Yeah, it was. It was a touching moment. It was it was it was one of those things where it was like we nailed everything. We nailed the take. We nailed the shot. We nailed the store and then just like. Wow. Things happen. Tough. Welcome to the Waveform podcast. Thank you for your back. Can you please give everyone your name? Yeah, I'm Martin. Martin. Nice to meet you. Now, before we talk Apple, you're wearing a bunch of Nike tennis stuff and we have to ask Sinner or Alcaraz. Oh, that's a good question. Honestly, I'm still with the big three. The joke on the Dalin Roger. I love that answer. Other than Alcaraz and Sinner. Yeah, I'm a big Sinner person. I have so much fun watching him play tennis. I think the only other person that would have an opinion. Is that the one where Michael B Jordan? All right. Did you watch the event, the iPhone event? The iPhone, I watched part of it. OK. I was driving while watching. Driving while listening while listening. Yeah, while listening. What part did you catch? I watched the iPhone Air. OK. Yeah, the parts and a little bit of the pro one. I'm pretty stoked on the iPhone Air. I'm actually. I was really cool. This is what we were able to talk about because there have been a surprising lack of iPhone Air conversations so far out here. There will be plenty of it. Yeah. From here. So here's my first question. At any point in your life, what phone do you have right now? 14 Pro. OK, sweet. So at any point in your life, have you overlooked at your 14 Pro and thought, man, I wish this was thinner? Honestly, no. Right. OK, that seems to use a case on your phone. Yeah. I still think which kind of takes away from the beauty of all these thin phones is the biggest benefit of it is being able to put a case on and feeling thin. Like it's going to hopefully feel like a regular phone with no case. And now that's good enough for you to potentially have a way worse battery life. Well, they will see special cases that were super thin. Yeah, but then is that really protecting your phone? Uh-huh. Oh, skeptical about that. Oh, they do. They're doing the bumper for the iPhone Air this time. The bumper, the bumper case, where it's just a case around the outside of the phone. Oh, my God. But the chrome rails are like my favorite part of that design. And that's what you want to scratch the hell out of your chrome rails. And don't worry. I will happily. I don't know. See, that's the thing is like the iPhone Air feels like something nobody asked for. And yet I want it so bad. I'm thinking the same thing. I was thinking of upgrading and then I saw the renders and everything. And I was thinking like, oh, maybe it could look good. I don't know. But then I saw it now in the event and I was like, oh, I kind of like one. Do they have a thing with making stuff? They get on screen. I know. So what do you think of the new design language of the pros with the like big plateau and the kind of like matte finish to tone on the back? It's kind of cool. I thought they will do more like the plateau. But honestly, I'm not a big fan of the orange. No, OK. A big fan of the orange. That's fine. That's fine. We are. We were crushing two of us. No, a lot of our team is not a fan of the orange. It feels like but Ellis and I are team orange. Yeah, we're about team orange. I really like the vapor chamber. You do? Yes. Do you have anything specific you're excited to use it for or? Just overall efficiency. Overall, because I take videos and photographs and a lot of times the screen dims and that's the part I don't like. Actually, a really interesting part. It's annoying. Our guy at the studio who films a lot of our car stuff, I think he's excited for it because how often they're shooting on iPhone on video and it's overheating. So like if that's actually it sounds like between the vapor chamber and like the full one piece body that's supposed to help to heat. Hopefully it won't overheat. Yeah, I would probably be shooting on iPhone right now. If we didn't think you would cook and overheat. I've been making fun of the vapor chamber. Like I'm like who really games on their iPhone? Forgetting that we had an entire meeting because we couldn't shoot this this exact podcast on iPhone because we already would overheat. Oh, so want one. I guess Ellis Ellis zero Ellis two. OK. I think it's cooler than we thought. I don't know if it was cool enough for the Apple invite thing. Like the invite tease always is supposed to be this huge thing. And I think vapor chamber is like OK. Like OK. Exactly. I still can't believe that I've been talking all week about how an iPhone would overheat and then I was like but the vapor chamber stupid. I actually don't know where the disconnection is. Senses. I mean, yeah, Martin really is. Is. Step a notch everywhere. I got you. Thank you. My God. Are you a professional videographer photographer? No, no, I just I just like to take videos and pictures of a lot of things that I do. Like in tennis, I used to take a lot of videos of myself playing against my teammates in college. And like the phone was like hitting like crazy every time. And like you need to put it like on the fence. So it stays there and you have a better angle. And when you try to look at the screen, you cannot see anything. You know, because we played throughout the day like right. I was Fresno Pacific and it was like well, and Celsius is like 40 degrees over there. So it's pretty hot. And so the screen is just black and I cannot see anything. Wow. This is like the best baking in the sun. Yeah, this is the best real world use case I've heard for this thing. This whole time. By the way, 40 degrees Celsius is 104. Thank you. No, no, no worries. That's our fault. Like the heat radiating off. Yeah, it's like no shade or anything would be even crazier. Martin, have you ever had an Android phone? I have. And the Samsung S8. S8. I think S8 was like peak Samsung. Yeah, if you had to go back right now, what would you go to? If I will go back, it would be the fold. The Samsung fold. Yeah, but yeah, it's expensive. This is so interesting. Everyone, everyone who's an iPhone user, we've asked when we say if you go to an Android phone, they all want the fold. They all want a folding phone, which when Apple does one, is it going to actually go crazy? It's going to go. So I don't want to hype it up too much, but I just feel like. There. Yes, there's so many people. I feel like there's. You're doing great, sweetie. There's there's two different kinds of iPad users, right? There's people who buy iPads because they want to sit on their couch and watch a movie and there's people that buy iPads because they have some idea of some really like practical thing they could do with it. Yeah, like flying a plane. And sure, exactly. And I think I found as a pretty hardcore iPad user that the form factor actually gets in the way of a lot of stuff. It's not particularly portable, like truly portable. It doesn't. You still need a backpack. And at that point, it's like, why would I not just bring a laptop? And that is what the iPhone fold is for. All right, well, the iPhone fold generation four will probably be perfect for you. Yeah, when I'm like. It's so bad about 30. Not that far away from that. All right, welcome back. We have another interview right here for you. This time, someone we actually know from this world. This is Brad. Hello, I'm Brad Bennett. I'm Canadian. I work at Canadian tech blog called mobile syrup. What is up mobile syrup? I forget how much I love that until I hear you say it's a great, great, great. Yeah, Brad, we don't really know each other, but I see you here. Yeah, we had one time. We had a drink one time. Yeah, that's right. With a New York. Brad, someone I remember. Well, I was going to say I see every time I come, but I haven't gotten an event badge in like, we were in the like risers at one point. We've been in the rises or yeah. And I always see you around like at the cafe here and stuff. Well, I'm glad you guys remember me. I'm happy to be here. No, yeah. And this is part of the joy of doing these events is like you see industry folk that you sometimes only see through these sort of things, but it's always a good time. Right. We wanted to talk about ceramic shield. Yeah. I love ceramic shield. Because really, I didn't know anyone had strong opinions about ceramic shield at all. Well, I'm doing this mostly for my fiance who just destroys phone screens every year, just scratched really bad. She's not going to be happy being on blast like this, but those those screens look tough. And so last year, they made a big deal about ceramic shielding the iPhone 16s being a lot better. And then throughout the year, you know, it didn't seem like that much better in my testing throughout the year. This year, they were like, well, we now have ceramic shield to. And to me, I was like, wait, have we not had many generations of ceramic shield so far? But one of the guys on the floor was telling me today that previously it was just called next generation ceramic shield. It's one of those classic Apple. That is the most Apple thing possible. And then this year, I think it's three X scratch resistance as opposed to the previous one. So they thought that that was a big enough jump to finally add the number two to the end. So that's that's what I learned about ceramic shield. When you have your second kid, don't call it your second kid. Just say it's your next generation. Next generation is Lane next generation. If you have a third kid that you really like, that could actually. What did you think? Or first I want to ask, we see her all the time. Do you know what number Apple event this is for you? This is to take a guess. Think. So I started coming in just to be sort of tailing out of COVID and travel to start to get packed up for these things. So my first Apple event was WWDC M2 MacBook Air. Okay. Maybe three years ago. Okay. That sounds about three. Then you're out like six event probably two to a year. Yeah. Two here. And then sometimes they have smaller events. Sometimes in Toronto, they'll do little things like if it's an iPad or not. But yeah, this is my, and this is my second Apple event as a full on reporter. My very first one, I was just the camera guy for our website. Cause I do a little bit. Cause I remember you had the craziest camera rig the last time I saw you here. Uh, maybe. Oh, with the big gimbal with like the arm. And then you also had the peak design backpack holster things. You're like, I was like, this is camera Batman over here. Canadian camera Batman. The only time I used that clip, I bought it. Think I would use it all the time. The only time I ever use it is here because I'm just like, I have to hold the phone. I gotta put my camera somewhere and they don't let you put your cameras on the tables really when you're in there. It's really annoying the things you can't do in there. Marquez loses it cause he's using like his huge red rig and we can't bring sticks in there. They use it. We can't even bring the camera. We have to check it cause it's in like a roller bag. Yeah. I'm going to sit with it on his lap. I could see that. Yeah. They are tight with the security. All the other detectors. They're super tight with it. Was there anything that stood out in this one too? Or like the new iPhone design language? Definitely. I mean the air I'm super excited about it. It just feels so good when you pick it up and you hold it in your hand. It just feels like a pane of glass. You're the first person we're talking to that held it. Really? Oh, well, it's really nice. The sides are glossy. So it kind of gives you that old 14 pro feeling or 13 pro feeling, but obviously it's titanium. They're saying it's going to do like 26 hours of battery life with like streaming video or whatever that their metric is. OK. And that's supposed to be as good as I think the 16 pro from last year. So this phone is actually stacking up to be a lot better than we had anticipated for sure on paper. Yes. Once we get it into the like, you know, the labs and we're testing things out and Marquez and all you guys are using this a lot more. We'll see how that holds up. But it just I don't know. People it doesn't seem to make sense thinner phones. But when you hold it, it's just like there's this magic moment. I'm sure if you guys hold the edge this I was going to say that the edge was this like, hey, that's pretty cool. It came into the studio. All of us were like, oh my gosh. And then I was thinking the other day I was like, well, where's our edge? Where has anyone talked about it or held it? But as an iPhone, it's probably a bit more popular. And I think more people will appreciate that. I agree. Yeah. And then, you know, just the last cherry on top is I think liquid glass was kind of leading towards the air. And just when you hold it, that like glassy effect, everything together, you know, I've been dreaming of the trifold thin phone from Westworld for years. We're getting there. We're just stepping the direction. Yeah, I actually I've heard a few musings on the Internet about how the air was actually sort of like a stepping stone for the fold to just get I think so long and like those parts of it. In fact, exactly. That's I've been thinking that same thing. It's like they're making phones thinner to fold them. This the stop app to just like, you know, the screen is not ready in the foldable. It's not tough enough or whatever. Well, we can make them thin. People are going to like it. How does the the plateau feel? Yes, the plateau. Um, I love it's up high. So you don't really notice it. And this apparently the a 19 pro chip is in the plateau. Yeah. So I'm really excited to see if that really takes the heat away from my hand while I'm holding it. Could be exciting. Yeah. Um, will it apply a lot of heat to the camera stuff that's right beside it? And will that be a negative? I don't know. It is wild that they like shoved everything in the plateau to basically because they need every centimeter millimeter there for battery. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't expecting that. Actually, I will say for Canadian fans, if you're not reading mobile serve, you should because we're covering on this. But this is the first year all the five phones are e-sim only in Canada, it seems. We're finally, we're finally getting on that train. So you get that extra extra battery. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I'm importing a phone. If we don't get that, like I will take all the battery. That's the thing. This is like one of the first times we're going to have the two skews of like the and one's going to have a better battery life than it seems like. Yeah. Because they, uh, it seemed like in the old ones, the sim card chip, the old one and the American models was just filled with a piece of plastic or something. And so now, yeah, it's like there's a big battery difference. And I think actually that's what Apple needed to kind of push people towards e-sim. It's like there was never really a big reason to care about it. But it's like, I'm going to get a little battery, which I do care a lot of it because Pixel just went all e-sim all of them, not even just the U.S. models. So and they didn't tout anything about it. Or maybe they said, who knows? Yeah. I didn't watch that one as much, you know, Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon wasn't talking about e-sim. Jimmy Fallon got us a great title and great click through rate on our podcast episode. So, you know, I'm pro Jimmy Fallon. All right. Yeah, I probably won't bring in the click through like Jimmy Fallon. No, I think you will. While you're here, though, there is one thing from this event that I really want to talk about, which is... Of course you want to talk about it, Ellis. Live translation. Oh, yeah. Which I don't know if you've listened to the show, but I have been saying for over a year now that this is not going to come out anytime soon. It was worse than that. It was, what are your predictions for this year? And Ellis said there is zero chance live translation comes and every single event since that he said that has introduced live translation in some way. And I was feeling like, wow, I really, I really did not do a good job with that prediction. And this event changed my mind because I watched their live translation little thing and I was like, no, I was like, this is not going to work. And not because the event made it seem like it didn't work. They didn't really demo it in real life at all. But it just feels like one of those things that's like such a game changer in tech that why would they give it only five minutes of the event unless it just straight up doesn't work? Yeah, that's fair. That's a good point. Have you tested it? I have not. I didn't put the air pods in. They feel a little different in the air. The noise canceling was good, but I didn't I didn't do the translation. I should have. I didn't think about it. I don't know if the person I don't know if I would have. Speaking of language, maybe if you have a briefing later, you'd be able to test it out. It felt weird, though, that they like talked about it for five minutes, sandwiched between like, you know, foam in the ear tips and like a slightly different designer or whatever. I'd feel the foam in the ear tip. You can't feel the same to me. I don't know. OK. And then also it's the kind of thing where like part of this crazy rant was I pulled up a list of every single time a tech company has announced live translation since 2014. I was going to say you got to go back pretty far. It's dozens. Yeah. And we still don't really have it. Well, the thing I kind of think is I just feel like it's like ultra ultra niche, you know, like I my girlfriend from Mexico, she speaks Spanish, but we don't speak Spanish at home unless and if her parents are over, they'll speaking this because in there sometimes they'll speak a little Spanish but like, are we all going to sit there with AirPods in so we can communicate in this weird way? I don't I don't think so. I guess like if you travel a lot, maybe, but I also think about in those instances, like I'm wearing my AirPods, I woke up to you. I'm like, we're going to do this thing. You have no idea what I'm talking about. Yeah, right? Like I'm like just putting a phone in your face and I'm like, what, where do I go for this thing? And I'm in broken language or whatever. I don't know. It seems like a tough one, helpful if it works. But yeah, well, we'll see if I have to eat my words. Yeah. Yeah. I ate my hat on the orange one. I was like, every year the renders come out with crazy colors. There's no way we're seeing an orange pro and then just like, boom. What do you think of the orange? It's exciting. I think it's fun. I guess because they're doing the aluminum, it's found the time to slap on some crazy colors, but it's pretty, pretty bombastic compared to the pro iPhones of the past. I personally was a huge fan of Desert titanium. Last year, I just liked that earth tone element. So a little sad to see that fade away, but it's exciting. And I think people online seem to be reacting pretty positively to it. I like it. I've got both of us love the orange. Our team is pretty split on it. I think, but I don't know. I'm going to match is the like the watch pro like, uh, yeah. Or sorry, watch ultra. That would have been actually good. Or maybe not totally match it. I don't think it actually, I don't know. I wish I would have brought my watch. I feel like it matches the crown. Yeah, it probably. Yeah. That's a bit brighter. You're right. And it's probably like, you're not going to be having them close enough that it's going to matter that much. But yeah, it'd be, I don't know. Apple does that strange sometimes. I mean, last year they had the blue air and the blue I had air and they're both like ever so slightly different. And it was like, guys, come on. We used to match this stuff. This iPad mini, when I bought it, it's I accidentally bought purple and I didn't realize I bought purple for like weeks after when I reread my receipt. I thought I had silver. The entire time this is barely even. You're just always out at like dusk and you're like, man. Yeah. One time my girlfriend was Ergis Fenson. I was trying to sell her old MacBook Air M1. It was the gold one and the dude showed up and it was like dusk and it was looking really rose gold. And he was like, I'm not buying this pink laptop and he left. This is gold. They're not telling you. And he was like, not a chance about using this. And he left. That's funny. My first iPhone was rose gold. I remember just feeling back in the day. It was power. I remember. It was pretty awesome. It was a rose gold 4S. Wow. No, it was I think five or five. I don't think they had the road. It's called for you're right. I am lying about. I think I had a rose gold five and or five s. And my first one of those two whites. Cool. Wow. But your first one. I am old. What? Your four was the first one. For us was the first one. I was mine to the Android phones before that. And the forest was my switch. And I and I remember it was right around the time they made the iOS update where everything was really thin, just like a seven, I guess. I guess that was seven. Yeah. And I just remember feeling like you're in your own. Yeah. I felt like I remember feeling like do they have Ruka? Ruka. Canada. Is that a food? Spelled R V C A. It's like a surf brand. Oh, yeah. That's how you pronounce that. I never heard that. I thought it was R V C. No, it's Ruka. And to me, I just remember feeling like I had the Ruka phone. I don't know. Those two aesthetic, the iOS seven. Maybe this is me. Maybe we should never make another episode of Wave 1 podcast. One more question that has nothing to do with this Apple event. So Marquez recently has been having issues with his Arc browser and we're all separately trying to convince him to use a different browser. I think those guys like going out of bed and they sell. Oh, my goodness. It's very confusing. They claim they're not sun setting it, but we all know they're sun setting it. If you had to pitch him a browser of what he should use, what should be? And I mean, this is not a good option, but I've been like really iOS 26 pilled, so I've been using Safari on my Mac later. And it looks great. Maybe it doesn't look bad. I know you can do this on a lot of months, but you can set that like custom wallpaper on your launch page and everything just looks cool and it all matches. And I'm like, you know, a browser is a browser. Everybody needs something crazy. It's not working. I'll just open up Chrome and I know it's going to work. But for 90 percent of the time, I just want to look nice. And I'm in Safari. Are you on that train? Of course I'm on that train. Doesn't it feel nice to have RAM in your computer that's available? Yeah. And it feels like it feels nice to look pretty, you know, like I just why did I pay for all that RAM if I'm not going to use it? Do nothing. It drives me more insane than when I open Chrome and I'm like, let's just open like activity monitor and see what's going on. And Chrome is just like, oh, you've got 64 gigabytes of RAM available. I'll just use all that. You don't need it for anything else. These tabs are going to fly, but don't open Photoshop. Don't open up. Rad. Awesome. It's been a pleasure. Thank you for having me. It was really good to see you guys again and a blast. Yes. We go go. Rats writing and watch his videos. Yeah. I think it must be social videos on our Instagram for this one, just a sign of a downsizing on our end, but lots of stuff on the website. And I'll be excited to watch this episode. It's cool. Is it mobile syrup dot CA or mobile syrup dot com? It's actually mobile syrup dot com for whatever reason. That was before my time. I don't know how that happened. I think if you type dot say it might redirect, but that might have gone away as we kind of shoveled through different owners over the last four years. But yeah, thank you guys so much. And thanks a lot. Happy iPhone day. Thank you. Bye. Support for the show comes from Framer, a website should help your business grow, not slow it down. If updates to your dot com feel harder than they should, Framer is the shortcut you've been looking for. 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What's your name? Hi, my name is Pratamish Pratamish. Yep. It's great to meet you. Welcome to Waveform. Yeah. Welcome to Waveform. We were hanging out over there when we were just talking with Brett and you came on, you said you've been a long time listener. Right. Awesome. I haven't missed a single episode since when we do. I might have missed a couple of videos on the main channel, but not on Waveform. We'll make sure Marquez knows about it. I will tell him immediately. Thanks for the support. That's awesome. Did you, you're here in Cupertino, you watched the event? I didn't watch it in person. Yeah. Yeah. But you saw it. We didn't watch it in person. It said we're out here because we didn't get to go in and do. Yeah. I work here at AMD. Okay. So I just saw you guys's Instagram stories. Really? Let me just drive here. Awesome. It worked. We got at least one person from it, which is a success. I wasn't sure you guys would be still here or not. So I just drove up quickly and we're still here. Awesome. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Was there anything from the event that really stood out to you? Are you an iPhone user? Yeah, I am. You are? Okay. What are you on right now? I'm on 15 Pro Max. Okay. Yeah. Are you looking to upgrade? Not for 17. I was looking if there was something interesting, but didn't quite got sold out to that thing. Sure. I really like the air. It's thin, but I'm someone who likes multiple cameras for night photography. So I don't think so. How much beneficial it will be for me from going to 15 Pro Max to the iPhone Air. I think that's fair. So. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably not like it. Maybe I'll just wait for 18 then. Yeah. So what did you think of the orange color? I didn't like it. You didn't like it? No. I felt it. It was like cartoonish for me. Cartoonish? Yeah. Whoa. I haven't heard that yet. I haven't heard that. I actually thought it felt a little... I'd go the opposite. Like not cartoony. It felt more like coppery kind of. I haven't seen it in person. Well, we've seen it in a picture. Yeah, we're saying everything. I've only seen pictures of it. That's fair. Yeah. Well, he hasn't seen it in person either. We're all going off the same thing here. What if there isn't actually an orange iPhone? What if it's a big Ruse? We're all just getting pranked right now. Yeah. I don't think so. Where's Ashton Kutcher? Yeah. Yeah, where's Ashton Kutcher? OK, so nothing about the phones are going to upgrade. Were you interested in anything from the new AirPods or the new Apple Watch? What Apple Watch are you using? Yeah, I have the Series 8. Series 8? OK. It's quite old. Yeah, I was looking for an upgrade to this too. And I think Ultra 3 would be a good upgrade for me. And the satellite feature is something which I don't know how much it will be useful in day to day life. But yeah, this is something good to have. And yeah, I think Apple Watch... Even I like the AirPods Pro 3 as well. They... I don't know. Like I haven't seen it in person, but they look more elegant than... I have the first gen Pro 2, the lightning ones. OK. And I think that would be also another big upgrade for me. So yeah, those are the two things I was thinking between the Series 11, the Watch... Sorry, Watch 11 or the Ultra 3. But I think Ultra 3 looks great and it looks more rugged. OK. Or it's kind of same from the Ultras. But yeah. Uh-huh. Do you... What are your... How well do you think live translation is going to work? OK. Yes. Never thought of... I... The only one time when I used live translation that is using my Metaclasses. OK. Yeah. And that was... Wait, those have live translation? Yeah, they do. Like not exactly live translation. So there was like a text and it translated me in English directly. Oh, it was text. OK. And then audio. OK. No, Ellis is still right. Yeah. Ellis is still... Do you remember Ellis making the prediction that there will be no live translation? Yeah. And every single event has had it since. Yeah, but no feat. It's not... You can't buy live translation yet. I'm still technically right. Oh, yeah. Give me a beat. Yeah, but... Yeah. I don't know about that one. Yeah, where it felt like... Mm-hmm. They're not feel like they just kind of like put it between two random other new feature upgrade and kind of like glossed over completely. Yes. And also the demo they showed like that there's some kind of business meeting going on. Like that felt so artificial. Like nobody talks when there is like a delay of five second between what I say and what you say. Yeah. I feel I'd rather just like have a real interpreter and then talk. Yeah. Rather than having some gimmicky feature. I agree. Yeah. How much latency until it's not live anymore? Yeah. You know, let's be real here. I think they're doing the like the documentary style like overdub vibe where like you hear it per second and then it comes later. Or maybe two seconds. We didn't actually see it really work. We just saw it demo. It's September. OK, we got three more months of 2025. I think I'm sailing clear with this prediction going to win. I'm not cooked. I thought it was cooked until today. It will be good just good enough to make you eat your words. But no one will actually use it. That's my... And frankly, if that's the case, humanity will be better off. You know, I truly believe that all these tech companies were like, oh, Ellis said we couldn't. I'll show you. That's definitely what they're doing. I got a question. Billions of dollars of investments just to show me who, you know. What do you think is Ellis' battery life? Yeah, this is the last question we need to answer. I will ask, uh, Ellis, my name. OK, yes. Uh, we want you to guess. You're allowed to ask him questions about how he's going to do it. I think I clarified questions. I took my phone off the charger at probably like... It is right now 2 26. At 11 a.m. Yeah, right when we left. OK. So... You used it earlier though, right? Because you were up pretty early and went for a run. Did you not bring it? Yeah, but I charged it after that. So I think I think it fully charged during the event. So I think I think we could say I stopped charging it about three and a half hours ago. OK, let me guess. 2 30 now. Yeah, I will go with 35. Oh, that's a guess. No faith. Now, when I am at 72. Oh, wow. About 35. That's a long... Now, to be fair, we've been sitting here doing this and he hasn't really been using it. Yeah, that's true. That's 72 having not used it. I've also noticed that the first half drains a lot slower than the second half. Yeah, tanks. Like, well, for example, yesterday when I was boarding the plane, my phone was at 37. And when the plane took off, it was at five. I just want to say you're a cycle for getting on a plane at 37 percent. But I do everything at 37 percent. I do everything at 37 percent. I would go home if my phone was at 37 percent. I would be way too scared to be out anywhere. As somebody listens to the podcast and clearly knows my struggle, what phone should I upgrade to? I feel, anyway, this battery is something no matter what you get, it's an upgrade for you. So. So, I think 17 air would be not 17. Just iPhone air. Yeah. Oh, wait, they're just calling it iPhone. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah. We thought that was weird. I observed. That doesn't feel good for longevity. Yeah, like they're putting it in this weird spot where it's been like two minis to what they call them max. The max is right. No, they were pluses. Was it plus? Yeah, plus. And now the air, like what are the chances of just two generations and then we press something else? I'm curious about what will they call an air for next year? Will it be air two or air 18? Yeah, damn. I have an gorgeous air again, but they call it second gen like subtext. I feel like that's very Apple. Yeah, the new air. Welcome back. I keep saying welcome back as if these are not like hard cuts between these interviews still at Apple Park. It's way hotter out now. And we are with Allison. Hello, Allison. Thank you for joining. Can you introduce yourself and maybe explain what you're doing on this beautiful Cupertino day? I just happened to be in Cupertino. No, I found the badge somewhere. Yeah, someone put this badge on me. Now I have Allison Johnson. I write for the Verge. I'm a smartphone lady and I cablin wireless carriers. So very, very fun. How did you feel about the event? Well, it was more interesting than the last few have been. Honestly, you know, the redesign on the pro is kind of kind of something. OK, explain something. That sounds like not good. Yeah, I it's a strong look. You know, the are you guys? Plateau. Are you going to say it for the next week? And then probably stop saying it again. I was thinking about calling it the Mesa just to be sort of against the brain. But yeah, I think plateau is nice. Yeah, it is kind of a Mesa, though. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I like the plateau. I think it looks good. I've been extolling the virtues of the plateau all day. OK, actually. Yeah, I don't think I've made up my mind, but it's different. It's like a different thing. This is it's kind of weird for me to say because I've never been fond of like the visor aesthetic that a lot of like pixel visor. Yeah, like the pixel. I was about to say a lot of phones, but I think it's just the pixel. It does the visor. They've done some of the old like Huawei's had this big like. But that used to be like when they they were putting like a screen on the back of it. So it made more sense. This seems like they're shoving a lot of internals into it, at least for the air. Right. Yeah, that that nice sort of like smooth, CNC wall up to the I don't know. I'm into it. And I was trying to explain this earlier and I couldn't. But it makes the phone feel like a control panel or like a console. I'm like part of a cockpit that I really, really like. It's it's asymmetrical symmetry. Sorry. Yeah. No, like the back panel having that the little patch of like ceramic shield is interesting. I smashed this iPhone back glass. I won't blame my four year old, but it was kind of his fault. So I could use that. But yeah, it's something interesting, different 48 megapixel telephoto camera. It could be cool. We'll have to see what you think of the air. The air is very light. OK, as you held it, right? Strikingly light. Oh, we're getting interference. Yeah, I tested the. How bad is it? Is it like did it go and go away? Or is it still is it still happening? Wait, can you talk? Sorry. Oh, hello. Is it good? But you got that idea. OK. Yeah, the air is super light. It's, you know, as thin as it seems, it is from the photos. Is it like the S 25 edge? Like the S 25 edge is it is slightly thinner. OK, yeah. But once you get down to like that with the hair, I don't know. Yeah, like if anybody won there. Yeah, it's it's one of those things like you kind of live with it for a little bit, at least with the edge. And you're like, this is nicer. This is lighter. As long as the battery. Test. Yeah, as long as the battery holds up and yeah, if it's in my back pocket. If it's bendy, yeah, turn into a flip phone. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. What phone do you have right now? I got the 16 pro. OK. Not Max. I put a case on it. I hate cases, but the back is busted. Prevent it from getting any more busted. Yeah. And also for so Apple doesn't see that I busted the review. Whoops. Sorry, Steph. I'll go get it repaired. So I guess if you were, would you trust the air with your four year old? Oh, God, that's the question. That's I haven't thought of that. That might be the ultimate test of ceramic shield. You should. That would be a good article of like a. Four year old in a concrete, you know, pavement slab. Yeah. Who's left standing? Also, I just feel like it'd be so enticing to put in your mouth. If I was four years old. That was the worst way. We're not going to change. You know what I mean? Like we've been wondering, do you think the live translation will actually work? Oh, God, I haven't like used a live translation thing that hasn't been super awkward. Yeah. Like I think in like a stage demo or a very careful like you're ordering at a restaurant or whatever, it's been OK. Where someone's not like talking back to you and you need to go back and forth. Yeah. It's like saying one thing you need to. Right. You can rehearse pretty much. Yeah. It's like having a normal conversation seems. I don't know. I was like, hypothetically, if someone at the beginning of the year was like, there's no way any like functional live translation comes out this year. Would you be like that person's like really smart? And I was talking about. OK, I don't know about that. I am I am not taking sides in this beef. Alison, it's intriguing. Good call. I'll say that. But hypothetically, assuming, you know, not that anyone did say this, but like if they did like and they needed an outside opinion, because him and his friends have been arguing about it. Yeah, you would say I'm on the side of a skeptical. I don't know if it's very excited. You said that. Yeah. But I get a lot of hypothetically, a lot of hypothetically. Yeah, hypothetically. But yeah, did you feel like it was put in a weird place in this event? I think the sort of a leading question, but. Yeah, they glossed over. They didn't really know what to do with it. Yeah, they're like, here you go. In the even just in the hands on afterward, the layout was weird because it's usually like iPhone, iPhone, pro watches, earbuds. They just had little cases of earbuds, like little boxes. They were walking around like they were chocolate or something, you know, like. Like hors d'oeuvres. Yeah, old timey like stewardess or something. They just had the ear, the AirPods. Yeah. Do they feel considerably smaller? I don't pick them up. I had to. There are three frigging phones this year. You're focusing on. I did not partake in the AirPods. Oh, my gosh. Did we ask on orange yet? Orange. I'm pro orange. Pro. I like it. It's bold. We're pro also. We've had a lot of people who don't like it though. Yeah, I'm really surprised. Yeah, I think it's a really fun color. It's good. Fun is good. The orange is the best thing about it. The design is terrible. No, no, no, we already we're already we're pro. We're pro Mesa over here. It's already been established. All right, we have one more question for you. If hypothetically someone on this podcast was using an iPhone 12 mini and took it off the charger at 11 a.m. this morning, what do you think his battery life is? His 30s. 30s in the 30s. You're the second person to guess 30s. Yeah, if I had actually been using it all day. You got the 12 mini here. My mini is at home. It doesn't get to travel. I get it. So we asked our last two people ago. We asked and I said I was at 73. I'm already at 66. And he hasn't even used it. I've not used it at all. Oh, no. Yeah, so I will be upgrading this year. What do you think you should upgrade to? They cut it off when when they're like, it's a security risk. I I made the. So we're we're still three years away from that somehow, which is crazy. I made the mistake of getting a base storage 12 mini, which after five years, I think of my 64 gigabytes, I think 52 of them are now system data that I can't take off the phone. And so my phone really can't like memory swap at all. And there's no storage left no matter what I do. And so it's the kind of thing where like the keyboard never actually works. Because there's no RAM left to do the assistive type thing. So but so what you have to do is you have to open messages, open the keyboard, lock the phone, unlock the phone, which clears the RAM and then you can type your text. Oh, my God, that's awful. Yeah, I live in hell. All right, I think you should trade that in. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm not going to trade it. I mean, they would give me zero dollars. They would recycle it for him. Right. We'll take this off your hands. Yeah, I said this has been an absolute pleasure. Yeah, where can everyone find you? Yeah, you can find me at the verge dot com. You can find me at Alice and Joe one on threads and Instagram. Perfect. Link in the description. Yeah, thanks. Thanks so much for. Thank you. Speed. Are you bringing it back? Yeah. Cool. Am I? Should I be doing something? I don't know if that's part of the show. No, we're leaving that in. That's in the podcast. What's up? Welcome back. We've found another victim, not just a victim, a professional victim. I was not warned about this. Yeah, please introduce yourself. Yeah. So my name is Brett. I go by Brett Tech on the Internet. I do mostly short form stuff. I started in like the smart home 3D printing, takeering space. Realize I just like to explain nerdy stuff to the Internet. Count grew. Now I just cover everything tech, including iPhones, laptops, whatever I think is cool. That's awesome. We haven't talked to many short form specific people because we are very long form, especially at the podcast. Yeah. We're about as long form as you can get. What do you how'd you get into doing specifically short form stuff? Craziest. I mean, I feel like everybody has a different content creator story. Mine's no different. Super funny. So I've always tinkered with smart home stuff. That's my main hobby. And I made just the craziest smart home automation that I loved. It was I like reverse engineered the Bluetooth protocol in my coffee maker hooked it up to hooked it up to a pressure sensor in my bed. So every morning when I get out of bed, fresh cup coffee. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. That is the coolest thing. Yeah. Sorry, it was the coolest thing. Still is. And I wanted to share it to some of my buddies on Discord. And I wouldn't I didn't know where I could upload the file because it was too big for Discord. So it's annoying with that. It is. And I was like, what's the social media platform? I take the we seriously and we'll never post anything on. Tick tock, of course. So I posted on tick tock almost as like a video hosting service. Made an account that night, shared the link to my buddies on Discord, went to bed, woke up three million views. And then literally that was what four years ago. And since then, it's almost been a conversation with the audience because I was like, I posted a video. There's comments. Oh, how do you set that up? What smart home set up do you have? Blah, blah, blah. And that just turned into a full time job. And I'm now a short form creator. I tried to do YouTube too, but it's hard. OK, no, that's awesome. And do you now post on all different forms of a so like shorts, reels, tick tock? I definitely definitely was a tick tock come up. But now really focused, especially with like the the band when that was lingering, everything really focused on diversifying. I try long form, but I truly, even as a creator, it's like working a different job. Yeah, no different than like going from being a content creator to like a tile setter that it's like the way you script, the way you plan, attack it. They're like, they're two totally separate things, even though they look similar. We feel that way in reverse. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like so for me, short forms like I usually post three or four videos a day. I just riff quick all off the top, but short from a sit down. I got to write a script. I got to revise it. I got edited. I got to tell a story. Yeah, different, right? Now, it's been really funny for us. Like when we go to make a short, it's almost like an entirely isolated production pipeline. Like we have different gear. We write the scripts. It's it's so funny. Yeah, I would. We're terrible at it. It will have like one pop off and be like, oh, cool. That was awesome. And this one's definitely going to bang. And then it's like, yeah, very low view count. And we're like, we have no idea. The one thing I have a few long form videos I made, I do like the control you get. Short form. There's like you got to disconnect what you think is good and what you know is good. It's the actual performance and just or else you get caught in this loop of things you can't control. And it's so yeah, it's really post it, forget about it, move on to the next one and try not to be overly. That's what's fun about online creation, though, is like you kind of have, you know, we talk about this all the time when people start with us, especially if they're from legacy media is like you get to make something, see it through, post it, see your feedback. And then you're on to the next thing, usually within like a week, which is not normal. Yeah. OK, so cool. You're here covering the Apple event. I am. Any thoughts specifically? Cut you I mean, we're straight out of the event now. Yeah, I was pretty stoked on it. One of the things I mean, a lot of the things we saw for rumors with the air coming in, one of the things that really surprises me moving forward is how how much Apple is diversifying their set of SKUs by bringing in the air, the 16E. It's interesting to go in that direction. Because one of my favorite things about the Apple lineup to date has been how easy it is to recommend devices within it. I've the one thing of this is I find it curious how they're really expanding things out and maybe breaking that simplification for the better. Like it could be for the better, but it could also be for the worse. But overall, really impressed. I thought some of the smaller features that didn't probably get a lot of love or a bigger, bigger deal. The most a lot of people think the satellite connectivity on the watch all trip. Yeah. That's one of those things that I think 99% of people don't see it, but like for me personally, my main hobby is kite surfing. You go three, four kilometers off the ocean, no cell service, no tower. You don't have your phone with you. That's like a true lifeline that could really change the game for some people. Yeah, great event. Is my first one. Wait, wait, wait, we got a time. Sorry. Hold on, hold on. Just drop that. OK, first kite surfing like wind surfing, but without a fixed mast. Yeah, but your feet are attached to the board. There's a few, the wind sport sphere is very large and confusing. OK. But kite surfing in its simplest form is you have a kite 20 meter lines. It is a letter looks like a kite flying above you. Yeah. And you could either wear a wakeboard style board or you're doing tricks and stuff. You take it off, you're strapped in or you could ride a surfboard or you're traditionally like going into waves. OK, so. My mind is blown. So I grew up sailing. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait for viewers might not know this group sailing. I've been three miles off shore in a 16 foot sailboat. And that was a like hell no experience for me. Like an absolutely not why am I here? This is not enough mass to support me this far away from civilization. You're doing this with a piece of fabric and a plank. I mean, a glorified, you know, no, that's what it comes down to. Super light fabric, super light. But like, yeah, so do it. You you would trust you have enough faith in the Apple satellite stuff to be like, oh, if something were to go wrong, I don't need like a real radio. Yeah. And to service the kites, the kite boarding community, it's real very safety focused. The being three kilometers offshore is an edge case. Like usually we're playing it safe, but there is the time you're doing a down winder or when you're three kilometers offshore, out of your control. Because the thing about wind sports is the wind goes the other way and you can't go straight into the wind. You're sometimes caught out. And I don't think it's so much of I'm going to do that because I have the watch. But just having that as a safety option. And like, I think with with things like that, I don't think anybody is leaning on it as a crutch and going into this crazy stupid thing, but having it just having it be there for that one, two, three percent of the times. And it seems like that's exactly what Apple is going for with the watch safety features is like with all their safety features. Really good example. Yeah, it's like, don't don't rely on this to like, don't. Yeah, like if you really need safety equipment, buy safety equipment. Yeah. But. If you don't hear something you're using all the time, I could potentially. You know, and the upgrades for satellites this year was we've had satellite SOS, right? And now now we have the like location and location sharing and messaging. Yeah, it's just a little bit more. That's always a nice thing to have just be like, hey, I'm going kite surfing. Yeah, like here just so you know. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. This is my first iPhone event. So I've done I've done two WWDCs. I've always been big on the software side. I'm good at explaining things that you can't see. But this is my first iPhone event and it's been super mega ultra cool. Sweet. And you're a short. Pro Max Ultra. Ultra. AirPods three. Cool. You're a short form creator. How many have you posted any content since the episode since it ended? I posted 25 videos. You posted 25. I was going to be surprised at three. My hold on. I've been working on one for an hour and a half. The the I've learned kind of the recipe to covering live events like this, because I found my first dub dub was my first live event. And I was so sorry. Go birds. Go. Back at it. Yeah, I was I was just so overwhelmed. So I've kind of had to build a system for it. And really, all it is is I I have two phones recording at all times of the keynote. Anytime there's something good to clip, clip it, post it real time, get in front of it. And then after I do summaries, so here's everything you need to know about the Apple event in one minute. Here's everything you know about the new iPhones in one minute. Here's everything you know about the new AirPods in one minute. Digestible, easy, quick. So you you said 25 are like 20 of those clips from the event and like five are your recaps afterwards and like, yeah. And then there's some like in the margins, which are more like, OK, as soon as you get on the floor, just film the colors of the iPhone. What iPhone color for sure. Well, there's not a lot of substance to it. It's just being the first piece of content. Colors of iPhones. They go online. Somebody told me I was like, that's so surface level. It is annoying. And it just like fine. Sometimes you got to know the couple things that do it, whether they're especially because you're someone who dives in really deep. Posting a couple colors probably feels like against. What phone do you film all this on? Uh, whatever phone I'm carrying. Yeah, I'm very my contents very scrappy by nature. So the actual production outside of audio, which is I learned is the one important one, the actual quality of my video, whether it's shaking or. Yeah, front camera, back camera, whatever I could do to get it out. So usually I carry the 16 pro. That's what I film on. If I'm carrying a 15 today, I had a 15 that because I my other 16 was dead. So yeah, I really don't put much thought into it. So when you're shooting short form is thermal or thermal, I'm just going to start that whole sentence over. That was a miserable. I'm keeping all this. When you're shooting short form stuff, you say you're keeping that. Of course he's. Oh my God. When you're shooting short form stuff are the phones thermal, something you're worrying about? Because that's something that's a conversation we've had amongst our studio and with other people here quite a bit. Actually, because they showed the vapor chamber and we're trying to figure out like what the best for that is outside of all the gaming they keep showing. We're trying to think that's what we kept talking. And then I totally forgot. This is the second time I've said this on the pod that we wanted that's Canon C 70 to be an iPhone and we didn't trust it to not overheat during the shoot. I only ever run into it at events like this where I'm. Filming the whole. Not only constantly filming, but also I usually can handle the constant filming, but the problem is editing flipping over to Instagram, TikTok, posting it as posting in the background while you're filming. I am pretty bullish on the vapor chamber because that's just the magic solution. But outside of events like this where filming, posting, uploading, editing kind of all in tandem. That's the only time where I feel like I reached that limit. But I've done, I do like some of my live streams and stuff on the phone. And it's it's never been an issue just for capturing footage. Cool. Dear, are you wearing Bitcoin socks or direct to consumer socks? Direct consumer socks. I used to I'm funny enough, I used to work in the like agency and marketing space. OK, so I'm that's I think where some of my creator success comes from. As I know how to communicate messages to people. And that's a newsletter we ran as someone who seems to be doing short form content, right? What would you say to people who are trying to become tech short form creators? What's the one thing that you wish someone had told you before you got it? Got it cooking, even though you just said that your very first TikTok had 30. I mean, to that point, though, you got to like. Don't don't just review a phone. Don't just make a video to show this cool desk. Make something you want to tell your friends about. You got to be really excited about it, especially on short form YouTube as well. People's BS detector on social is so alarmingly good, where if you just want to be a tech creator, so you're going to film a review about your laptop and how much RAM it has, not chance. I don't care how good you are, what camera you have, you are going to get 10 views. Show if you really like your mouse because it helped you rank up in Apex. And it's this very specific setting that you love and you want to dial that in and tell people about it. That's what's going to work, something you're genuinely excited about. And don't worry about quality. Don't worry about intros, hooks, nothing. Just talk about what you're stoked on and then everything else will feel in. But that's the only thing that matters. Exactly what Marquez did. He didn't see a video for the HP laptop remote that was like plugged into the side of it and that's the first video he made. Yeah. And it's like, it's cool. Yeah, it's a cool thing. But most people, like when you think tech creator, you're like, oh, I've got a RISPEX, hard drive specs, processor, Intel, AMD, blah, blah, blah. No, like that's A, that stuff is out there being done 10,000 times better than anybody entering and could do. You're not going to compete with it. And B, you'll just be seen right through. Yeah. So you got to lean on the stuff you care about. Okay, I have a question. Oh, is it about automations? Cause I wanted to ask something about it. And you're single going to ask. Browsers. Oh, okay. No, this is a great question. Okay. We're trying to convince Marquez to leave his browser arc that he's been using for a while because it just got bought by private equity. All this whole thing. Yep. What browser do you recommend? What do you use? If you had to pitch Marquez on a browser. See, there's something I feel like I should care deeply about, but I just use anytime I'm working where something with Safari and can benefit from something native, native Apple, I'll jump in Safari. And then I use Chrome just cause it's really good at triaging all my different like workspace accounts. Safari for like raw performance on Mac anytime that I need performance and like cross device continuity Chrome. I wish I had like some answers. No, no, that's fine. I think that's what most of the answers are going to be. Yeah. Like I wish I was like some niche. Yeah. But I just, yeah, unfortunately no hot takes on the browser. No, no worries. Um, I want to ask one more question. You said you do a lot of automation other than the coolest automation ever of making yourself a cup of coffee. What's one other one you're super proud of? Maybe it didn't get a ton of views, but you're like, man, this I thought was really the coolest thing ever did. I have a follow up question actually. Oh, honestly, like there's, there's the cool ones that are like shock value that you never use, but it's the, I think one of, if anybody is interested in smart home and automation, the biggest thing that's kind of dropped in that world are millimeter wave radar sensors that can actually not just detect whether or not you're in a room, but where exactly you are in a room. It basically makes like a mini map that you could trigger on patients off of. So like I've got a little workshop studio thing, just having it. So when I step up to my desk, the standing desk goes down. So I could sit there, all the lights turn on and there's like a work mode. When I go to my workbench, the workbench light turns on doing like spatial automations like that. And nothing, nothing crazy, just like making the lights are sorted. Make sure like when you hop into bed, the doors lock that type of stuff. That's really the nice thing. What's the brain of this whole thing? We're going to go down a very deep rabbit hole. So I'll keep it, I'll keep it very service level in the whole automation space specifically. There's two kind of, there's two kind of crews. There's the bleeding edge crew, which is a platform called home assistant. Totally open source. Everything's as custom as it possibly can be. That's where you, if you really want to push the limits, build some crazy stuff, you go there. In the smart home and home automation world, specifically, I'm a big proponent of because it's something that's ingrained in your life, it's better for it just to work and be functional rather than you be pushing the limit. It is the classic Apple versus like Android argument in that regard. And I use Apple HomeKit. It's a really good brain for it. You can use Siri shortcuts to do really in-depth automations. And my partner, who couldn't care less about that stuff, she could open her iPhone, go to the home app that she's never set up, view the cameras, turn off the lights, do all this stuff without this me having to like debrief her over like 10 lessons. That's really helpful. Brett, before we send you off back into the world to do your actual job. This is my actual job. Yeah, he could have posted like eight or nine different videos in the time of being on this. As a home automation guy, there's a new thread modem or is a new modem that has the thread protocol. Are we not excited about this new modem? We are. So there's a few things to be excited about the new modem, but with thread specifically, thread is already integrated in most people's smart homes through their home pods or other hub devices. Threads very common. The reason it is exciting is because it's an easier entry point for people to get into more advanced smart home automations without needing to buy all of these hub devices. It'll bridge you there. So unless I mean, I don't know, maybe there's going to be, I like to think that they might be able to use that thread radio for other sorts of communication for things that aren't necessarily smart home like interacting with. Maybe that's what interacts with the new air tag that comes out in two years and brings a bunch of functionality. But really it's not like we're getting anything new. It's just bringing more accessibility to people that might want to get into smart homes. That's such a good point. I was so curious why Apple is so stoked on announcing that they make a modem now. It is cool, but it's just a flex. Also, it's like even amongst our office of like nerdy techie people, I think at least half of our office does not know that modem is an abbreviation, let alone know that what a modem is or what it does or why they should care. And so the fact that they're putting it in like a flagship event, I'm still just like, who, I guess it's, I guess it's for the dwarf Andrew. What is modem sure for? I was just going to say, I don't think anyone knows what it's literally been a trivia question on the podcast. And how many people got it right? Not apparently not. It's short for modulator. Demodulator. Oh, interesting. Cool. I was like, yeah. I really care. Even the modem guy is like, oh, you know, like, anyway, that's my rant. I don't know. Good rant. I do like the idea that they're adding this, the threads capability so that they can have more flexibility in the future for like wireless stuff. That's my assumption. But I have one more home question for you, which is that for the past few years, I've been seeing lots of unexpected companies like Comcast put out all of these research papers into using Wi-Fi to create these mini-map sort of things that you're talking about, like doing person location detection. I am not technical enough to understand these papers. Are you? If what you're talking about is how you could basically use Wi-Fi to see through walls, is that the TLDR of what you're talking about? What I'm reading is that like Comcast has these and a few other companies have been filing patents about using the existing router you have in your house to know exactly where you are standing in a room. Yeah. So they're another very deep rabbit hole. So there's two things that they could be talking about there. One is just pinging the device based on the signal strength. So you're carrying your phone. If the modem's in the bedroom or the router's in the bedroom and it's a really strong signal you know in the bedroom, there's this other really crazy, I don't know much about it, I don't know a few people who do, where it basically uses the Wi-Fi signal kind of like a radar where it can see through walls and you could actually map people and objects in rooms. So there's DIY projects where you take an old router, take it apart and use it, almost like it's like a thermal camera when you're looking around. It's not like a two-way signal but when it blasts the Wi-Fi signal out it's such a strong wavelength that it can detect kind of the density that it's going into and you could effectively map out someone's home. Brett, this has just been fantastic. Yeah. It was fun. Thanks for yanking me. Thanks for coming. Thanks Brad for saying we should talk to you. Boy was he right. Brad, the gift that keeps on giving. I'm pretty sure Adam probably subscribed to every one of your platforms in the middle of that. I'm very excited to see it. We'll send you off into the wilderness of Cupertino. Where can people find you so they can learn more about these really interesting things that you've been talking about? Brett.Tech on TikTok and Instagram. I got an underscore after there. I'm working on it but I have a tough battle to fight but Brett.Tech underscore on Instagram. Brett, thank you so much. Thank you. If you're ever in New Jersey, you know who to call. Yeah, sit down and grab the mic and if you want to jump on for a minute. Hi, so what are we doing? You're looking at it. We're doing Waveform Man on the Street asking people. You have to share the microphone. We'll figure it out. No, don't be sorry. That's Alice's fault. We watch you all the time. This is iconic. Nice to meet you guys. Welcome to the show. For those just tuning in, we have found three more fun guests to join us. Hi. What are each of your names? My name is Adee. We're all from here so I was going to say I'm from here. Yeah, I'm Manon just recently graduated from UC Berkeley. Awesome. Congrats. Do you want to move the mic over so we can get a lot closer? Yeah. Eishan. Yeah. Awesome. Dude, it's great to meet all of you. Thanks for stopping in. This is something we're doing a little different because Marquez and David and Brandon are inside with events. We didn't get passes so we figured we'd grab some people, journalists or people wandering around and see what they thought of the event. So yeah, you said you live around here. You guys watch the event though, right? Yeah. We're in the visitor center. They play it on a little TV. Oh, really? It plays Apple TV promos. Not on the big screen. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah, just put the mic. Whoever's, no, no, it's really fun. Whenever you're talking, put it next to you and that'd be great. So you guys are all from the area. 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Actually, I'm controversial. I like the slightly thinner cover screen. I like the TV remote kind of. I'm such a one-handed guy. For me, five to two hands, I open it up. I get why the slightly wider is more appealing to people. For sure. Yeah. I totally get that too. I thought the iPhone Air was super interesting by stacking everything in the plateau and basically leaving the entire body for just battery, which is still probably going to be all day. I think the rumor was 2,800 million hours. It's always that fun thing where we never know what it is until someone has to rip it over. They just don't have numbers. It's also missing a GPU core. Even though it has a code chip. Yeah, it has five GPU cores. It has watched it better than we did. You watched it in a public place. It was on the website. Yeah, we were deep diving and we were always nerding out on these features. What did you study at Berkeley? Computer science and data science. Are you all in tech? I'm business management economics. I want to do product marketing mainly for tech because growing up near Apple Park, which used to be HP when I was growing up, I don't know if I grew to love tech or I grew in tech culture, so I grew to love it. Not by choice, but I like tech. And then, oh yeah. I'm still in school. I'm spending some time in film. Awesome. I have a 16 Pro and I'm enjoying it because it's meant for kind of like a film student kind of focus. I know. The ProRes and all those extra features. I bet the iPhone, the new iPhone video is better than the cameras I was shooting with when I went to film school. I would not be surprised. There's like, the only thing that really draws me to the Pro is I have this collection of really old, dinky cameras that I like because they look really nice, but it's not like Pro quality footage. And I keep telling myself I need to invest in a real camera that I can use for professional work. And I'm like, what if I just got an iPhone Pro? Would that be fine? You work with Marquez. I'm sure you have. You work with Marquez and all the camera people. You have these two cameras. What I do need a camera, I will usually just steal one from the office. But it would be nice eventually to own my own. But until then, yeah, I will be just taking that. Oh my God. So I was curious if you guys were in tech because when you brought up ProMotion, I was a little surprised. And I'm sort of curious if you think the average person who's not buying an iPhone Pro is just buying a base iPhone. Will they even notice 120 Hertz? My mom has a Flip 7 and she turns off and a Flip 5 and the Flip 4 and the Flip 3. And I've made her turn off high refresh rate because she doesn't notice and it just makes the battery a bit worse. She doesn't note? Okay. Yeah. But I mean, she needs the largest font size. So like, very nice. But yeah, that's what she got the 7 because even the slightly larger cover screen helps with the slightly bigger font. Like it actually makes it usable for her so she can like read her messages on the front now versus the fire with a little bit of struggle. I think like all of us are really happy that we can finally say the iPhone base doesn't have 60 Hertz anymore. But I do think to a certain point is like most people won't even notice. Yeah. I think back to the heritage of high refresh rate Android phones and I think one of the first ones was like the Razer phone. Really? Probably. Yeah, the Razer one. Yeah. And they bought Nextbit. Remember Nextbit? Yeah, they bought Nextbit. Like 16 gigs of storage on the phone and everything went in the crowd. Probably pre-LSN. They didn't really care about Android phones. But yeah, and it was terrible. And then they actually made some reasonable upgrades in like the Razer phone too. But yeah. And then it still just wasn't. That was just kind of that got to seeing the 120 Hertz on the baseball kind of reminded me of like, like how long it's been. And like it's nice to see that. For sure. Next guess, Michael. Okay. You did watch the event, right? Yes. It was pretty cool. Cool. What was your favorite part of it? I think I liked the AirPods and the iPhone 17. What did you like most about the AirPods? I do like the walk out feature and the blood pressure. The blood pressure or the Harri monitor and yeah. Yeah. Cool. Do you have an Apple watch though? So are you interested in using that possibly without your Apple watch or? Possibly. Okay. Cool. But I love doing my watch. It just feels like it's part of me. And so, you know, I sleep with it and everything. So. Cool. I've been hearing that a lot that like the it feels a little redundant to have heart rate in the AirPods. I could see it for people if they're not wearing a watch. I feel like, you know, now with AirPods and with rings, we're finding ways that you can get the benefits of a watch. And if you're a watch person, you can wear a real watch. I've been really wanting to go back to wearing a real watch instead of my cereal box on my wrist. I've got really small wrists. So I think it looks really weird on me. But so I was really stoked because I the rings did not really seem like me. So I guess I'm kind of excited. Oh, Brandon's calling me. Oh, yeah. Brandon, you know, Brandon is. I'm going to hang up on him now. Yeah. We're live. We'll come back. No, no. All right. What was your favorite thing? Actually, before you tell me about your favorite thing about the new iPhone, what phone are you using right now? I'm using the iPhone 12 right now. 12. Okay. You're the second 12 user. I haven't updated yet, but I want to. I just don't have the money yet. Sure. Same. There's I mean, everything's expensive, which is definitely tough. But I think it's cool when people wait a while because then the upgrade feels much better. My dad has the iPhone 16. Okay. That a few weeks ago, he just got it and he loves it so much. Okay. So. He just got it a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. So he just missed a price drop. I mean, he didn't know when the 17s came out. So but. That's fair. It's, it's fine. I think I just found a new Marquez tweet, like ever, like a yearly Marquez tweet in August. He just needs to tweet, do not buy an iPhone for the next six weeks. You have time. You have six weeks. And then it will be a hundred dollars cheaper. Yeah. That's super fair. So what do you think you're going to upgrade to? Which model? I would, if I had to choose to buy an iPhone, I would probably pick the pro. Okay. The 17 pro because I feel like it's pretty good with like the cameras and all that stuff. I do like the center stage. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, because I'm, I love taking photos and with the pro ads and all that stuff, I think it would be pretty great. Pretty helpful yet. Do you like the new, or what do you think of the design language and the orange color? I actually like the orange color. It's pretty unique. I love it. I think both of us are team orange right now. Yeah. Who's anti orange? I actually like most. What we've talked to so far has not liked the orange either. Lame. But yeah. And what about the, like you like the plateau and everything? It's a pretty big, it's a pretty big visual change even though it's really not that different. It's pretty cool looking. I like design on it and the way it looks different from a different iPhone. Sure. I think I like, the more I think about it, I like the plateau because it adds symmetry in a way that makes it feel more like a console or like some sort of like, like a pixel. You mean? It kind of feels like, do you remember Project Ara, the like fake design phone where it was like supposed to be modular and everything was in squares? Like now that it has the like, you know, the whole squircle or rectangle like across the top and it has the like matte finish around where like, like it feels segmented and like evenly. The only thing is, is I don't think it's actually gonna be laid down flat and not wobble because there's still the camera bumps protruding out of the protrusion. No, and the air is gonna be even more heinous. Yeah. I think. I don't know, well, see. Wobbly. All phones are now, I guess. Yeah. Not my pixel. Have you always been an iPhone user? I've been always an iPhone user. I sort of an iPhone 5C. Okay. What color? Green. Yes. Good color choices. I like it. Yeah. And then, oh yeah, since you've always been an iPhone user though, if you had to pick an Android phone to use right now, what would you pick? Maybe the Pixel 10. Pixel 10? Yeah. Or the Pixel Fold. Pixel Fold? Yeah. Okay. I think that's the hardest part about this event for me is I know I also have a 12. I feel your pain, brother. But I don't, like I want, I need to upgrade. My phone is dying. It's cannibalizing itself. But I really want a folding iPhone. I just want a weight. And I clearly can't. 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That's why I like him. Is that a compliment or not? No, it's a compliment. He's handsome. He's really handsome. No, I like sinner because he makes weird trick shots look really, really easy. And things that would be disrespectful in most contexts just look so natural when he does them. Yeah, effortless. Exactly. Exactly. And I can't get enough of it. But enough about tennis. Are you sure? Well, yeah. We can't talk about tennis. This is a real podcast. All right. What phone do you have right now? iPhone 15. OK, just the regular 15. And so you... 15 Pro. OK. You did not watch the event. Are you thinking though of upgrading this year or anytime soon? Yeah, definitely. Yeah? Have you heard any rumors or anything about what? Sorry, there's a guy with a Vision Pro in front of me right now. I know. I've seen him really distracted me. I was not expecting that. I saw it too. Have you heard any rumors or stuff about the new one that came out? You missed the event. Wait, no, this is actually the program. What would the new iPhone 17 Pro have to have to convince you to upgrade? That's a great question. Better camera. OK, what does better mean? Like higher resolution. OK. It does not have that. So. No, yeah. And you would be looking at the Pro, right? Yeah, Pro. OK. Yeah, I don't. What if there's that much? It was super thin. Yeah, what if it was like crazy thin? That's not the... That's the Pro though. I don't think we're going to talk about it. Here's a question. Do you take a lot of video? Yes. Does your phone ever overheat when you're taking video? Yes, the Pro one does. OK. Would a new cooling feature that potentially we haven't tested this yet helps with overheating in video mode? Would that convince you to upgrade? Yeah. OK. You might be pretty excited when you watch the event later. I think that's... What about... Do you like the color orange? Oh. Yeah, because I graduated from University of Illinois. OK. Oh. That's why Eric told you... Eric, can you hear that? University of Illinois. OK, there we go. Really? Urbana. OK, nice. Yeah, engineering? Yes. Sweet. University of Illinois. Oh. Look out of my browser to hear your story. OK, Eric is awesome. So now I need to... Can I show you a photo of the orange iPhone? Can I get your... I need to look up all the new... No, that's... Are you OK seeing the new iPhone for the first time on a podcast you've never heard of and telling us if you like it or not? Yeah. OK, cool. Oh, Marques took a picture of it, right? Yeah, it's not a story. So they did a little... Have you seen what the new design changes are like at all? Well, I've seen some rumors. OK. They have some pictures of the pro. OK. They have the wallet. It looks like the wallet's attached to it almost already. And they're calling it the plateau, is the big camera bump. So this is the new orange of the pro. Do you like that or no? Yeah, I kind of like Hermes. Hermes? They do a lot of Hermes. I thought it was really funny how much they're doing Hermes stuff still, but they refuse to do leather anymore, which is kind of like their whole shtick. Cool. So what do you think of the new design language on everything now that you're seeing? Because we're never sure if rumors are actually going to happen, but this is what it is. Yeah, I think they widen the top edge. So if you sit on the phone, it will not be like... Like wobbling. I still think because it still has camera bumps on top of that. So there might be a little less, but I think there'll still be a little bit. It seems like they're... One of the things they mentioned in the events for the air ends this is that they're packing a lot of stuff into that bump and trying to use that space to increase battery size and like add other internals into there. So what would it take to get you to switch to Android? I will never switch to Android. If you had to, is there an Android phone you would ever consider if you're forced to? Yeah, Huawei. Huawei? Which Huawei? I don't know. You don't know any of them. I heard they have good cameras. A lot of them are really awesome. The most annoying thing is not being able to get a Play Store. But I think a lot of people in our world would be using Huawei phones if we could use them. Yeah, I mean, I haven't used the current generation of Huawei phones. I've only used a few behind. And it's funny that you bring up the camera because the cameras do feel really nice and they have lots of really interesting features, but they also have like such a look to them. Like they feel very like sharp, but not oversaturated like a lot of sometimes like Android. I don't know. It's funny that the Huawei cameras are wet. Yeah, you brought up. I don't know. Everybody in China is using Huawei. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because they're nasty. Friggin awesome. Are you going to go watch the event afterwards or are you just like read about stuff, watch YouTube videos on it? Yeah, I will watch it. Watch the whole event? Yeah, it's cool. I feel like it's have you seen any ones in the past? And like have you watched the events in previous years? Yeah, I used to watch live. Excuse me, sorry. This one felt very slow to me. This was a very incremental upgrade year just despite some like design language changes, which visually looks really cool. It has been several years and they like do the incremental improvements. Yeah. Yeah, nothing felt super wowy, but a lot of like things where if you're you said 15 year on right now, right? Yeah. 16 and two generations, like there probably will be some nice. It probably won't be a huge difference. We talked to multiple people who are still using 12. So those people upgrading will probably feel it a lot more. But yeah, but it doesn't make sense to upgrade every year. No, I totally agree. All right, welcome back. We're back with Kavi because I when he said he studies aviation, thought he meant engineering. And I didn't realize he's in flight school. And many of you have been asking me to do an audio only episode like about audio stuff for years. It's not going to happen, but we are about to do the plane segment because this is other passion. I have no idea what's going on. Kavi, tell me more about what it's like to be in flight school. Well, I was just talking to him about like how we use iPads. I was going to ask that. Yes, we use an app called ForFlight for navigation, like performance computations. Is iPad minis or like full blown iPads? So I use the 11 inch pro for the brightness. I think a lot of people would want like a subit as it sounds a mini pro just for the brightness. Totally. I mean, all of us would love that. And I've that's interesting to see one other person outside the tech, you know, of us trying to cram everything and everything wanting it. But that doesn't make sense because they they promoted the mini for like flight stuff pretty hard. I think that's amazing. OK, cool. So do you do you have to hotspot it or are you downloading all the maps locally in the GPS works all up up there? So we get the cellular iPads, but we don't connect like a cellular plan to it. It's just because those ones have the GPS or something in it. And then we download all the, I guess, materials we need before we fly. And then in the cockpit, it just, you know, shows us where we are. And we go this off of that. I guess that makes sense, because like even on my watch, like my Garmin watch, you can just download offline maps and it does a pretty good job at telling where you are. Obviously, flying is a lot different than that. But when I finally upgraded from my free open source flight simulator to flights of Microsoft Flight Simulator, the newest one, and they switched from having like a Logitech thing in the cockpit to the fake iPad on the side with fake for flight. I was like, it took me I'm still getting used to it. You can connect actual for flight to Microsoft Flight Simulator. I so I I've done that. But I lost. So lost. I use the the open source for flight clone. I remember what it's called. Open maps. Don't hit me. Andrew, what's it called? I have it on my computer, which is not here. But I use it because I'm really bad at remembering airport codes and runway numbers and all the things that I need to actually do a flight plan. I also don't fly real planes. I don't know. Fun fact. What are you flying right now? It says now 172. Classic. Yeah. Sweet. Do you are you planning on becoming an airline pilot? Is that the ultimate goal? Either airline or corporate recently have been swayed over more to the corporate side of aviation. There are a lot of benefits to that. Like there's one guy I just recently met. He's a pilot for Netflix. He's a senior at San Jose State, actually. And, you know, his work life balance sounds really good. I've yeah, I've heard that's a good gig. And then also you get to fly really exciting airplanes. Actually, I don't know. I would assume Netflix owns really large airpoints and general just fly higher and go faster. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you need more exciting ratings that like sound way cooler than than jet. I guess a jetliner rating is also pretty cool. Like being responsible like that. I don't know. Way cool. Yo, you're not going to believe this. We were just like hanging out here doing a podcast and some guys just walked in and some guy just appeared. And I feel like I feel like. Oh, look, Marquez. Not at all. Pull up a pull up a chair. Yeah, where do I sit? Literally anywhere. Can you say your name and what you do for a living? Oh, oh, yeah, I can. Would you like me to? Hi. OK, we'll just we'll just share this. Yeah, this is a little impromptu. Yes. So we've been out here all day. Impromptu three. Impromptu three. David's here now. That's right. Brandon's over there too. I don't know if you even know who Brandon is. Marquez, how's your day been inside Apple Park? Really good. I have like 10 minutes before my next briefing. Yeah, you know what they do? They just stack our meat. All right, let's let's like let's let's speed run through this. Obviously, the first thing we got to talk about is live translation on the new AirPods. How is it? Haven't tried it. I haven't tried it because it doesn't exist. Literally about to try it. Oh, really? Yeah. Damn. All right. Well, yeah. But I'm not allowed to talk about it. So are you serious? Yeah, really? But you can tell me about it. I can tell it at embargo. I can tell you. Which means it doesn't work. We'll talk about it. We don't talk about anything at the studio until embargo. That is true. That's true. Next question. Yeah. Orange in person. What's the vibe? Horrible. It's bright. It's bright. Horrible? I thought it looked in person because I don't want to show you pictures. I want to tell you it's saturated. It's a little bit more than the like Halloween dull orange or pumpkin that we might have expected. And I'm just more bummed that there's no neutral dark like it's blue or silver. I want a black eye. The dark blue is OK, though. It's OK. Yeah. But I get what you're saying. No black. Yeah. No space gray. No space black. Nothing. Isn't that crazy? Because that's like the most popular color of phone is black. Yeah. But the pros are color for that. We got to get with the times. Pros are allowed to have fun. Michael Fisher is happy. Yeah. Pros are allowed to have fun. We don't just have to suffer in our studios. Pros just want to have fun as they say. That's going to be the title of the I don't know. Either that or orange is the new black. I think that's all. Oh. Yeah. That's what I keep hearing. That was pretty fire. This is crazy. Who doesn't watch any TV or movie? She just out referenced all of us. Never watched it. And we've been talking about it all day. It's not just that. It's this dude just comes out and instantly out at CEOs. OK, Marquez, we got to stay on topic, though, because you've got to be somewhere to be. The air. We've got to talk over there. You put it in your hand. You held it. How does it feel, you guys? I loved it. Yeah. Similar to the S25 Edge. You see it in person. You see the videos and everything. And it looks kind of cool. Wow, they made a thin one. And then you hold it. And it's really thin and light. And you're like, that's very impressive. That's what we all thought about the S25 Edge. And then put it away. And no one's touched it since. It's true. And you know what? I'm making a short about this. And I'm going to say it in the video. It is a worse phone than the other phones. It is going to have only one camera. It has to have worse battery life. There's no way it doesn't have way worse battery life. E-SIM only, a couple other things are a little bit lesser. So ProMotion, it's a Pro chip with one less GPU core. It's going to be a fine phone. That was so wild to me that they put the Pro chip in the thin phone. Yeah, I'm not sure why they did that. That's crazy. I'm stoked. They said it was more efficient than the regular chip. Which is wild. So maybe that's why, I guess. Yeah, and then ProMotion is more efficient than 60 Hertz. They kind of needed it, right? Yeah. So that makes sense. But I just, yeah, you hold it and you're just like, wow. I mean, the soft touch on the back and the way it's like curbed around the sides, it feels really good. It really does feel good. It is one of those things where I'm like, is this like a gimmick? Or, you know. It is. Just to be clear. I mean, it is. OK, so I'm going to make, this is a whole video idea I've been working on. And it's maybe a separate video. Maybe it's the air review. But you either believe that this is just a one off. We tried something new and made a thin phone thing. Or you believe, genuinely, in your heart, that this is how thin that phones are all going to be in a couple of years. Can I hit you with the third option? Yeah, we've already talked about the foldable. It's the folding thing. It's one half of the foldable. They needed to work on the internals of the foldable to be thinner. So that's why they made this phone. It's like they made the thinner Z Fold 7, like three months after they made the edge. Yeah, it's true. I think they just needed to get the internals thinner. Yeah, totally fair. And they did say they had some lines they snuck in about how this phone needs Apple Silicon to do what it does. And that's why you have this N1 chip. Yeah, N1. C1X. C1X built into N1. And then obviously A19. So there's all these little things that are like, oh, we finally can make a phone this thin that doesn't suck. And they said they had a couple lines about a more dense battery. We'll see. There's just no way it's. I asked them about the battery. And they said it's not that it's like a more dense technology. It's just physically larger. I mean, yeah. They crammed more of the components into that bar. All the components are basically the chip, some speakers, all the camera front and back facing camera are all in that camera. They just said it's the same battery technology. It's just a bigger physical battery. We've got to kind of wrap it up. Can I flip something on Ellis' head right here now? I have a trivia question for both of you that I am not going to be part of. I met someone really awesome before who does short form content. At 2.30, we asked him, since the event started, how many videos has he released? Price is right rules. Price is right rules. You both have a guess. Oh my God. Released? How many has he posted? 12. He's since the start of the event. My guess is 12. 12. I'm going over. I saw some people doing just reels of moments of the keynote. And I think with that, you could easily stack up 10 to 12. And then products afterwards could be 10. So I'm going to go with 20. Very close. 25. Yeah. 25? I believe you. 25. He was a great. I can't wait until you guys see what he's doing. That's so crazy. Marcus, you have somewhere to be. We're going to tape another podcast tomorrow, which is actually going to come out before this in the Outcast Studio. I just want to say this has been a breath of fresh air. It's so great to have you on this beautiful outdoor set. You too, David. This has just been fantastic. This has been Waveform on the street, version one. You heard it here first. I'm so glad I made it. And we'll see you. Oh, yeah. Guess number one. Guess number one. Number one. Appreciate that. Yes. We will be back for our normal episode this Friday, unless this won't come out on a Friday. So I can say that. And what's the idea? See you in the next one. See you in the next scheduled episode. I'm going to do it this time. I want to. Who's your favorite? Say it. Say it. Hard cut. Mariah. It's definitely Mariah. Miles. Miles? Yes. Miles.