Trending or Ending + Changing Offenses - Fantasy Football Podcast for 3/19

Hey FootGland, do you hear the big news about Jalen Waddle being traded for like a one and a three and a four swap? And you're gonna hear so much more about it on Tuesday. On Tuesday because we just prerecorded this episode right before the Jalen Waddle news broke so it won't be on today but we will cover everything including the clear, obvious way this is good for Troy Franklin on Tuesday. Stay tuned. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers podcast, Jason Moore, Mike Wright. I'm Andy Holloway. We're back again. Excited to have you with us as we get you ready for the 2026 fantasy football season, which should be far away. I mean, I think I plugged in an approximate draft date for our League of Record draft like a couple days ago. It's like 176 days away now. So right around the corner. But I mean, there's just too many steps along the way. We're gonna have an NFL draft here soon. We still have more free agent signings. The draft will be here very soon. Is there one specific player situation team in the draft that you're just like, I gotta know what happens? For me, it's Jonah Coleman because he is he's a player that I like. And if the NFL likes, then I'm in. But I can see the NFL being like, you're, you're, you know, you're going to drop to the fourth round. Maybe the NFL doesn't like Jonah Coleman. Does that mean it doesn't like you? I don't think they know me. Okay. I think I'm gonna I'm safe either way. You're safe. I think I'm safe. But yeah, that's just one of those players where if he's a second round pick, awesome. He's a fourth round pick. Awful. I like Adam Randall. Okay. The converted wide receiver into running back who is just your type. Yeah. I mean, he's I it's six, three, like two, 30 and a super athlete. And the fact that you're playing running back now, but you have trained as a wide receiver. That's, that's all you always interesting. You and him matched on fancy football. Oh yeah. Yep. I mean, it's very Antonio Gibson. It's very David Johnson. There's like second one was a good example. I mean, Antonio Gibson for all the dude, I look, cause I tweet hates this so much. I do. Cause I got it again. I know. I tweeted about Adam Randall and people are like, Oh, is this going to be another Antonio Gibson? And I'm like to top 12. Yeah. Fantasy is rookie year. He was the running back 12 is software years of running back 10. You're like, Oh no. What a horrifically bad career. But to be fair to them, then he disappeared. Yeah. Forever. Most guys don't up up here. So wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Like the summary, like if you were to find an Antonio Gibson card in a collection and pull it out, your first thought is man, that guy, and then it's the following sentence. And I think 99.99% of people would look at Antonio Gibson say, Oh man, that guy had a lot of potential. That's the outcome. Because I think when he was having some success as a rookie in a sophomore, we still wanted more. So it wasn't like we were like, Yes, this is the, I'm just not to count. Not to say he didn't have success. It's funny. Like, remember he fumbled like five. Oh, he had a while. He had the good year. He had a huge fumbling. Wide receivers don't train on holding onto the ball. A third round. I can always make Mike upset with that though. Because it's a third round running back. Your expectation should be zero seasons as a top 12 running back. That should be what you would expect. So if Adam Randall is a third round running back, which is what David Johnson was, which is it was a third. Does that mean that this is going to work out again? Bro. And you just have to hope he's never the running back 10 because that was like the demise of both of those guys. I mean, honestly, if you're talking rookie picks, that's it is the season. If Adam Randall goes in the third round, he'll be, you know, he'll be in the second round of rookie picks. And if your second round running back gives you two RB one seasons, like that's a smash pick. I think with this year's running, if for some reason he is in the third round, meaning he's a day to pick. Yeah. I don't think he will be. I don't either. But if he does, I'll bet he sneaks into the back of the first for rookie dress. Yeah. Maybe because of the class is so bad. Maybe it'll be interesting. But there's going to be so many wide receivers. The first and second round wide receivers should fill up the majority of your first round of rookie. Well, no soon. Well, we got a lot to get into today. I'm going to jump into our quick question momentarily. Want to remind you about the ultimate draft kit. It's where you find our tier based rankings, our premium stat projections, 100 plus player profile videos, custom cheat sheet creator, sleepers, breakouts, bus values, custom scoring support, our value scout tool and a ton of other things, including some new projects we're working on. This is the time to pick it up because you can get access to the dynasty pass with all the content available right now and you get it at the lowest possible price. It launches in full on June 1st. And so that is the most trusted way to win at your draft or with you all off season as we get you ready for the fantasy football year. Let's jump right in. Trending or ending? Trending or ending? Jordan Love will finish as the quarterback 15 or worse. It is now a two year trend for Jordan Love. He had the spectacular debut as the starter for Green Bay in 2023. Quarterback five on the year, the last two years quarterback 15, quarterback 17. He missed two games in each of the last two years. He has lost Romeo Dobbs in the off season. Trending or ending? Not just missing two games. This wasn't like if Jordan Love played all 17, it would be great. I mean, he was about three points per game fewer than the breakout campaign. Yeah, both of the last two years. So it's like you're at the point now of was, was that the outlier? Right. That's, that's the question. I mean, that really is, is, is was that year where he was the quarterback five and through 32 touchdowns? Was that his outlier year or the last two years with Josh Jacobs being in town, scoring so many rushing touchdowns? I mean, when we watch Jordan Love, he looks like a really good quarterback. I think he's great. Personally, he's a great quarterback. Personally, I felt like that year when he threw 32 touchdowns was not the norm like his norm, which is good. I'm not like, I think this is trending. He will be outside the top 15 at quarterback in my opinion. That doesn't mean he's bad. He's not a below average quarterback. It's just, he's not really an elite quarterback. I look back the last couple of years of just what is like the average, you know, NFL team like I looked at the team level so that injuries aren't skewing it. How many passing touchdowns is the average team? Like take out the leaders and take out the crappy teams. What did they throw? And it's usually about mid 20s. 24, 25 touchdowns. And you look back and we're like, what a piece of garbage quarterback. And Acme never hit that number, right? Yeah. Some of the other greats. Imagine 25 passing touchdowns. What a bum. Yeah. And so you look and it's like, okay, well, he threw 23 last year, 25 the year before. That's not bad. That's good. But that's not ever going to be, if you're throwing 23, 25 touchdowns, you're not a top five quarterback unless you are rushing for 10 touchdowns. I think one of the things that makes it complicated about, and I think trending, by the way, I'm on the trending side as well. I think which this is, I don't like the trending or ending. I know I don't. The trending is the negative here. That's right. Like ending would be like, oh, it's good. It feels that way. But it feels like. We're saying that the bad trend is continuing. Correct. I think the challenge here is that you've lost Romeo Dobbs. Whatever you think about Romeo Dobbs, he's a solid, maybe above average wide receiver that is now at the door. Tucker Kraft is coming back from a major injury. I'm looking at pass attempts before Josh Jacobs arrives. 34 a game for Jordan Love. And that big season. In the big season. 28 a game. Because he threw the ball 579 times in 2023. You didn't have a weapon in the running game that was really a goal line weapon. And so you look at, OK, how do you throw seven fewer touchdowns on average? Well, Josh Jacobs is the answer to that question. But yeah, Tucker Kraft coming back from injury. Matthew Golden's going to have his chance to make a mark. And he'll probably have some big plays. But I think more of the same for Green Bay. They can be a very successful team if you throw 25 touchdowns. Yeah, their defense is really good. And that sucks. I think it's always hard when there's a guy that you think if the situation allowed it, could be better. Like, I think that's the way it feels with Jordan Love is like if you decided to let him throw the ball 579 times, he would be a perennial top 5, 6, 7 quarterback. That's just not the dynamic there in Green Bay right now. Yeah. If they had added AJ Brown, maybe we can have a conversation. Jordan Love strikes me as a guy that before the career is over, you'll have one or two more seasons where he goes Baker Mayfield of two years ago. Where it's just everything's on, you know, the luck is there. The touchdown variance luck is there. He's just, he's hitting on the big throws. But I think that he's more of this like a high end QB2. Yeah, so are you in the same camp where you think he'll be outside that group? Yeah. Not a sneaky late round quarterback to draft? No. No, I'd rather take a shot on like Malik Willis. It's so wild because you look at, I mean, I know he's the MVP now, 46 touchdowns. It's just like Matthew Stafford threw 20 last year. He threw 24 the year before. Right. Like played 15, 16 games, 20 and 24. Sometimes you have a special season. Maybe that was the first season for Jordan Love. But Streamer, yeah, he's a streaming quarterback candidate. One that I would play in a good matchup or if, you know, if Josh Jacobs has not heard. On Tuesday, if Josh Jacobs goes down, Jordan Love can do it. They just don't need him to go out there and throw the ball 35 times. Underdog ADP is QB 17. That feels right. So there you go. We're going to jump right into the main event. Coaching Carousel. Well on Tuesday, we went through all the head coaching changes and the corresponding offensive coordinator changes on a number of teams. There were 10 teams that changed head coaches. Today, we're going to take a further dive into teams that have changed just the offensive coordinator position. And there is a coaching changes section in the ultimate draft kit that we dive into. We talked about Arizona, Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Las Vegas, Miami, New York, Pittsburgh, Tennessee. And Tuesday, if you want to hear our fantasy implications of those moves. Couple quick facts about offensive coordinators. Kyle's always setting some of this stuff aside for us. And they turn over in the NFL. Only five of the current 32 offensive coordinators have been in that role with their team for two plus years. I mean, if you're really good as an OC, like really good, you get a head coaching opportunity. Or you're bad and you get fired. Right. Yeah. You can just stick around and just be kind of okay. Like you don't have really long tenured OCs very often. So it looks like the five that have been around. Wes Phillips with Kevin O'Connell, but O'Connell's like, like he's not a, O'Connell's really the engine there, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is Mike's point that he brings up all the time, which is if you have a defensive head coach and your offense is great, you're losing your offensive coordinator. If you want to keep your offensive coordinator, then have them go to an offensive head coach not named Sean McVeigh. Well, and I was going to say, we'll talk about the McVeigh situation because he's always got turnover at OC, but he's calling plays and so involved. He's kind of, he's now taking like a multi pronged approach to offensive assistance. Yeah. The Rams are, it's just like everyone wants the springboard. McVeigh just wants to, McVeigh wants every coach in the league to just be under his coaching tree. Him versus Shanahan. They're just trying to spread their seed. That's all they're doing. They want lots of coach babies out there. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they're doing. That's the old phrase. That is how we would put it. That's how they're doing it. Jason would Johnny, Apple seed, throwing them everywhere. Okay. Yeah. So there are 11 new offensive coordinators we're going to highlight today. Eight of the 11 will be play callers for their team and we'll just jump in. We'll do it alphabetical order here. Starting with the Bears. They know, I mean, we know Ben Johnson calls the plays there. Declan Doyle, 30 years old, right? Moving on. Press Taylor, now the offensive coordinator for the Bears. Brother of Cincinnati head coach Zach Taylor. Oh, okay. I guess I can kind of see that. Because of the names? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. The names. That's what they're very similar. No, I was looking at a picture of them, but it looks like they could be brothers. But this is one where you don't really feel instability. In fact, the Chicago offensive situation is just going to be really, really interesting because like Jason, I don't think you are a part of this conversation. Might have been the footcast. Someone brought up like, why are you so in on Luther Burton? Why isn't it Doon's Day a sleeper? We kind of talked through it. I think a Doon's Day is a huge sleeper. Like he's definitely a player that I'm paying attention to. The first 13 weeks of the season, he had a 22% target share on that team last year. Coulson Loveland had been banged up, not a part of the offense as much. Same with Luther Burton. 6'14 through 18, it completely changed. The Doon's Day was hurt. He missed time. Coulson Loveland grabbed a stranglehold. Luther Burton started to establish and then in the playoffs, it was all Loveland, right? 28% target share for him. A Doon's Day down to 13%. But the departure of DJ Moore in general, like I think the Bears are just one of the highlight teams for the entire offseason. That you can be excited about what they started to form. If Caleb Williams can start to throw the ball more accurately. You have five skilled position players that you will want to draft. I think Loveland is the one that I'm going after. But then it's like, even though I prefer burden over Roma Doon's Day, there's going to be drafts where Roma Doon's Day lines up where this is a value. I want to take a shot at the Chicago offense. Then Deandre Swift, Kyle Monanguy, doodledoo. All of these players are going to be drafted. This is what happens when you give us just something glorious like Ben Johnson getting an offense. Yeah, hopefully. But I will say this. If Caleb Williams doesn't break the record for passing yardage for the Chicago Bears, you're going to be disappointed. Oh, of course. It's just you won't be happy with all of them. That's what I mean. Either one person breaks up. What I worry is that if he throws... You want tickets into that show, though. Yeah. Even the show might not be as big as we think. If he throws for 3,900 passing yards, okay. Everyone's going to have a stretch of games that are good. That's my only worry with the Bears. You've got to have them throw for 4,300. Well, I mean, what was it? Jordan loved the last two years was the 3,300. That was the crazy number there. You talk about the offensive pieces in Green Bay as well. But I get what you're saying. I think that this is one of the situations. They lost a star center. I'm not going to... We can't forget about that. Their offensive line was so good last year, third, according to PFF. They've got to fix the center position. That's a bummer. But Ben Johnson is the offensive mastermind here. It's not going to be Press Taylor, you know, Declan Doyle benefited from being under Ben Johnson and getting a job, another job. And Press Taylor is just stepping into kind of literally a cis nut call place, right? Yeah. All right. Let me take a quick break for us and then we'll come back and talk about the other 10. The Denver Broncos. Okay. This one's weird. I love talking about the Denver Broncos because I find Sean Payton to be simultaneously a good coach and just plain annoying. Just kind of... I love how you rant on him. Just like a dude that's got to be talked about a lot, that's got to be angry all the time. I mean, you even saw it when he got rid of his offense coordinator. It was like, I can't remember the exact quote, Kyle. Maybe you can find it. It was something to the extent of like, he's like, yeah, Sean was just in one of his moods. That's what I feel all the time. I mean, that was the quote. It was like he's in one of his moods. He was going to be mad no matter what. It's funny because I can completely see your perspective and I don't think you're wrong. And yet I don't despise Sean Payton. I like him. I like his personality if he was my head coach of my team, if I had a team. I would like that he is that head coach and I would enjoy. I do enjoy his press conferences. I like watching him talk. I like how he explains stuff. So it is clear as day that Sean Payton wants you to think very highly of Sean Payton. I mean to a very unhealthy degree. Because that's very clear and obvious. He likes the bounty gate stuff trailing him to he likes his own brand. He's a fart sniff. He smells of farting. Yeah. And he's like, Hey, which is a little bit. It's a funny transition into the conversation about the hire because Davis Webb is now the offensive coordinator. Joe Lombardi the quote was Sean Payton was in one of those moods where he felt like some changes needed to be made. So I've been around him long enough to kind of read the tea leaves. Davis Webb's taking over. But then the funny part is it's like Sean Payton didn't put his foot down and say, well, I'm calling plays anyway. He basically said, you know, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't feel like it would help our team. I'll still be involved. But he said he's going to hand over a play calling to Davis Webb. And to be honest with you, the offense is what was inconsistent and struggled less. Yeah. Now I can't blame Sean Payton for Cortland Sutton's drops. I can't blame him for the random errant passes by bone X or the fact that bone X was like so hot and cold. I will always remember the Raider game where they just look so incompetent and won whatever 1310 or 10 seven on Thursday night football. And we were like, what is this? But I find myself slightly more encouraged by a change happening. I do too. Davis Webb got head coaching opportunities like interviews around the league and then they and then Peyton retained him. He's, you know, people believe that Davis Webb is an extremely talented offensive mind. So to give away play calling duties when you are Sean Payton, it bodes well for me to believe in Davis Webb. If you didn't listen to our true series episodes, bone X just for example, the last two years is two years starting 38% bus games, 35% bus games, 13% great games. That would be, I think our threshold is what 25 or above for quarterbacks somewhere around there and only 12% this year. So consistency has been a problem. He's been outside the top 10 and consistency despite finishing in the top 10 in terms of total fantasy points. And maybe you could see, you know, it seems clear from their comments and what they're doing, they would like to strengthen the running back room. They brought back Jill Leo McLaughlin just to be a thorn in the side of everybody else. We'll see what the draft holds, but I find myself slightly more encouraged that a change is happening. I can agree. Mike, talk to me about your favorite offensive coordinator of all time. The Detroit Lions. Yeah. They have brought in, they finished nine and eight. They did not make the playoffs. They were fourth in points per game. Offense was pretty good. Numbers wise. Struggled injuries. 22nd in points per game. John Morton is out. He had lost play calling duties to Dan Campbell part way through the year and the blob fish has arrived. Drew Pattsing, the new offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions. It feels so much worse to call him the blob fish. When he's not a cardinal. When he's not hurting us and our fandom. Now it just feels like kind of a cruel insult. Right. But once your name is gone. Right. Just. Mr. Bob. Maybe Mr. Nice or show respect. That's Mr. blob fish to you. How did things? How did they watch Arizona? I actually understand this. I do. I do. I think it's going to work out really well. And this is as some of it. But as in you think that Drew coming in makes things better. Because you over more. Not them being Johnson. I think they're correct. I think that the Lions without an OC. It's just Dan Campbell. I think they will have great success on offense. I do too. I think if they didn't have Drew Pattsing they wouldn't be bad. Drew Pattsing coming in he's got some good concepts in the running game. He does. He does. It worked in Arizona. James Connor was great. They've got Gibbs and they've got a better offensive line there than what the cardinals had. They had a quarterback that could stand in the pocket and Jacobi Berset was allowed to throw the ball. Yeah. They were a good offense. They were a good offense. Kyler did not fit the Pattsing scheme at all and Pattsing couldn't seemingly adapt to Kyler. But you know that that's the tiny cowardly mobile quarterback which is the exact opposite of Jared Goff. The immobile pretty brave. He'll stand in there and take a hit. It's a tough division. It's going to be a dogfight in that division but I kind of lean on Jason's side. I think for what Detroit wants to do on offense he's going to fit in quite well. Do you see any shake ups happening? By the way their schedule is going to be delicious this year because they face a fourth place schedule despite going nine and eight because of that division. So they get to play against the Giants, the Titans and the Cardinals. Oh the return of the blob. That'll be fun. Do you see anything being shaken up of Amon Ra, Jameson Williams and Gibbs or just kind of status quo? I do think Dan Campbell is still going to have a pretty heavy influence on the type of offense they run but Jason I never got your response. Neither of us did to the incredibly big signing of Isaiah Pacheco. They're going to use him enough behind a good offensive line to have fantasy relevance. They will deploy Gibbs so much more than they did last year. I think it is, it makes Pacheco relevant because he's on the Lions. I think Pacheco is the test for Drew. That like if Drew keeps putting Pacheco out that's when Dan will, he'll take all the play calling from him. Should Gibbs be with the signing? I know we were waiting on a backup slash committee back. Is Gibbs number one for you right now? No, it could have flipped before LG are left because it was like oh it's Bijan and then once David Montgomery got out of town it's like okay maybe Gibbs should be the number one but then LG got out of town. It's like alright I'll back. Okay, so it's number two. I think right now it would probably go Bijan Gibbs one two. The Kansas City Chiefs have brought an old friend back to stand next to the guy who actually calls the place. Andy Reed. He's a friendly guy. When you're friends with Andy Reed, you're in. You are in. Nothing if not loyal. Right. Eric Biennemy is the new offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs. He is back. He played a huge role in their championships of years gone by but Matt Nagy's departing. I don't think we gave Matt Nagy a lot of the credit right. It's Andy Reed offense. Oh I would. I give him none. I mean from the time that Eric Biennemy left it did not go well. There was the Washington Commander's stint. There was a UCLA stint. He got back into the NFL with the Bears as a running backs coach. But there was head coaching talk about Biennemy back in 1922. There was. And then he almost flamed out of the woods. Biennemy was the OC from 2018 to 2022. I will read you the fantasy finishes of 2018. Also known as Patrick Mahomes first year. QB won 8 4 4 1. And the QB 8 that year was a 20 and a half points per game. And then the next three years it has been 17 and a half 17.6. He did Mahomes was at 20.3 if you remember because the dude was running so much. So he was you know getting that cheat code for fantasy football. But it's like all the good Mahomes years were not Nagy. That's true. That is that is a fact. Also a fact three of those four years the wide receiver one wide receiver two and the wide receiver six were Tyree kill. Yeah. So it's like it's one of those in Kelsey's Peak. Yeah. And a running game for some of it. Kansas City had four offensive plays of 20 plus yards that resulted in a touchdown last year. That was the fewest in the NFL. That's not what you think of. That's not acceptable. How do we not get mad at Reed is read just immune from like people being like we just blame the personnel. I I I don't think I blame just the personnel. I think it's the trend of how you deploy a defense against this team that was beating you over the top over and over and over. They go to you know the shell defense of two high saved ease and then they take what the defense gives them and it's worked for most of the last years down this past year injuries got in the way. They didn't get in the playoffs then they did the right thing and shut things down towards the end of the year. They've got the best draft capital coming into this season that they've had pretty much in the Mahomes era. So I think it's going to get a little bit fixed. But the offensive skill positions are still a big question mark. He is older. They don't have a successful downfield threat. Even after resigning Thornton huh. Yeah. I mean that's it. Thornton is MBS. They don't have a Tyree. I'm saying on my home since the injury we have to overcome all of that. I'm more hopeful now that we're good for the running game. We're done with the budget magician. I think it's good for the running game. I think that's the one area where the enemy has had consistent presence both on Kansas City and elsewhere. So to me if they can establish it which is the first agenda that they will be established then that seems kind of interesting to me. So the Chargers this is a fun one to talk about. Mike McDaniel replacing Greg Roman. I'm not sure you could have more opposite personalities ages 11 and 6 last year second in the AFC West. Mike McDaniel is 43 but he really seems 25. He's got a young soul. He's got a young soul. And he looks like he's still growing. You know it's like he's just a kid having fun out there. It is the dynamic of him and Harbaugh together is spectacular. But I think we all really respect it. I respected how the Dolphins continued to play hard for him despite the season going to crap and obviously eventually letting to a completely go. Players have always loved him. You know we've talked to juice good big fan of the show who worked with Mike McDaniel when he was an OC back in San Francisco and everybody loves Mike McDaniel thinks he's really smart. The fact that he doesn't have to wear the head coaching helmet and deal with all the press and all you know let him just go be the you'd fall over. He's a little guy be the little scientist. Creating cool plays. Yeah they were 24th and points per game last year. Herbert was the first quarterback since 2018 to lead the league in percentage of drop backs pressured and still make the playoffs. So the Herbert defenders I will not ever stop defending Herbert. It's hard after what he did in the playoffs to not say it was that was real bad. The charges are very exciting. The offensive line with McDaniel there. The offensive line is getting massively improved because they already had two great tackles both of who got injured through the year and they lost both of them they're getting them back. Yes later and alt and then they just went and got a great center. So now it's like OK so your center and your edges are elite. You go from terrible fall back and an elite blocking tight end in Charlie Cole. I mean I'm already pre in love with the Chargers offense and a guard and another tackle. Your pre in love. Yeah. OK. The hurt. There's a lot of reasons to be optimistic. No question. And McDaniel should be able to put the players in the best position to succeed. I think that's been the thing that's been difficult sometimes like huge. He has a role to play. He's not probably a superstar. Had mcconkey. You know we had the amazing rookie year. It was kind of weird last year. You know can he reemerge under Mike McDaniel. You'd think so. Especially with Keenan Allen probably not back but who knows if he's back because he's Keenan Allen. Yeah that it'll be really interesting. I want the news on whether Keenan Allen's back but I feel like I won't know if Keenan Allen is back until kickoff. You know like coming out of the tunnel. Yeah it's just like hey we signed Keenan Allen. You got me again. He's got to be so late on the way out of the tunnel. All right. Another we alluded to it the Rams new offensive coordinator. LaFleur is gone in Arizona as the head coach Nate Schielhaus is replacing Michael LaFleur but they also signed Cliff Kingsbury to be an offensive assistant head coach. If you read about what they're talking about the utilization it's going to be more Schielhaus with like Cliff's not going to be taking over an offensive coordinator role but he is going to be a game planning play design assistant. McVeigh we already know is calling the game. It's just another good offensive mind to have around for McVeigh. I don't think we ever look there every year is like OK so who's the who's the OC for the Rams and it doesn't really matter. We're hoping they're smart. They usually are and then they can go become a head coach after they get spritz with the McVeigh Smith sent and then I wouldn't smell. I heard it. The Smith the Smith but yeah I honestly having more good offensive minds there cannot hurt especially when you have such a mastermind of running the team in McVeigh. I don't worry about well heads but what if they've got different game plan ideas. Like McVeigh is in charge and they know that so this is just going to be a great offence of the Falcons pick at 13. I mean they're a really really good team. I don't know what the current odds are to win the Super Bowl but if the Rams aren't like second or third or maybe first I'd be shocked. I know they're the favorites to win the division even though Seattle obviously won it last year and won the Super Bowl. So I think it's very close between Rams and Seattle. Last I saw to speak of an offense with the most opposite perspective possible the Jets have hired Frank Reich. Huh. Huh. I am seeing right now. Is this a big joke. This Jets thing. It Frank Reich. Who do you want. I want Gino. The Jets are very unserious. I feel bad for very few fan bases more than our own but the Jets certainly qualify. I don't know how you can stick with that team. Frank Reich will be I presume the interim head coach by years end. I think it's a good point because if you're bringing in someone at OC who has been a head coach in the past I also presume he will not be the taking over the team next year. No. No Frank Reich will not make it through the season. Oh that's the other. He might well no and he's bringing up a good point because we know Aaron Glenn will. Oh okay you know what I mean. Yeah yeah yeah he's like he's got a samurai sword out. He's ready to get to work like you will not be the interim. He's already played the half season situation before right in Carolina. Well yeah Reich was right. He's he's he's not unpacking it all of his belongings. I think it's passed him by. I think that's what we saw very obvious. I mean this is going to be a disaster. The Jets represent the biggest challenge for the Cardinals getting this number one pick. Yeah agreed. Man it's it's a bummer. I'm sorry Jets fans. Yeah and fantasy players. You know what we know. You have I'm sorry to breezehole. You have two elite players at their position and when you go to draft Smith and breezehole when you go to draft those guys it it's going to be difficult and it's going to. Yeah because you're going to have to talk about Frank Reich being your office coordinator and Aaron Glenn still being the head coach and Geno Smith being the quarterback if not him Justin Fields. It's going to be a bunch of stuff like that all off season long. It's Andy's thing to remember from the things to remember episode. Yeah bad teams ruin good players. Yeah there you go. I'm sorry guys. I'm sorry. That's our that's our analysis on Frank right. Oh yeah. Caller yeah. We should have someone's got to have odds of like who gets fired first Reich or. Aaron Glenn. Yeah. I think I do. I do think Frank will be the interim head coach. That might be the case. That might be the case. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. Well it's time to talk about Jason's favorite player of all time. Sean Manion taking over as the office of coordinator for your Philadelphia Eagles. My dude. Sean Manion my boy Sean Manion or Jason's boy. Thank you. Okay. Well Kevin Patula wasn't getting it done. We know that. And it seemed like not a lot of people wanted this job. No no because they I don't know there's just a bad vibe right now with the Philadelphia offense. If Aaron or sorry if AJ Brown is traded right now Goddard is not resigned as of this recording right. Correct. And as of this recording AJ Brown is not traded. Correct. But you know Saquon Barkley last year was a big difference. Not getting younger. Question marks around Jalen Hurts abilities to take the team as far as they'd like him to. Last year they were 19th in points per game. The year before they were seventh under Kellen Moore the championship year. They were 24th in yards per game the year before they were eight. They were 11th in rushing temps per game. They were number one the year before that's correlated to success and leading games. And then turnovers per game. That number still good. So they didn't turn the ball over a 10 but I feel like the OC for Philly your biggest job is you are a human shield for Nick Sirian. That's why that's why people did not want like that's that's your job is why they don't want the job is you show up and then if things don't go well for the team you get to take all the blame. But at the same time there is the opportunity that things go really well for the team. That's possible that you can leave the team in a good manner like Kellen Moore did. That's true. I mean they Super Bowl will do that. This is still a complicated roster both sides of the ball to win a Super Bowl. Well yeah because the defensive side is so good your your task as an offensive play caller is to just be competent. You don't actually have to be a top five offense. Just get in the top half. Now say one last year and this is a concern for this team and I don't know if it translates to a tank bigsby getting opportunities or what but among the 55 qualified running backs with 80 plus rush attempts he was 48th in percentage of run stuff at the line of scrimmage 48th in rush success rate 40 second in yards after contact per attempt. That doesn't seem great. Hopefully the tank. Hopefully that is you know hopefully it's an outlier but yeah. Lame Johnson missed a lot of time. But when when running backs it how often do they bounce back from it. When it's gone it's gone like and it vanishes seemingly overnight and it does all of our heroes this that they play long enough. It just disappears and then you they still have like multiple years left in the league where you're hoping. Yeah. Kind of all right. Yeah. You remember do you remember how good Barkley was. He's gonna be really hard to do it again. It's gonna be hard not to drop somewhere he drops. That'll be the hardest challenge with Saquon Barkley because you could you could easily talk yourself into the offensive line improving and the team improving. Lane Johnson. Yeah. You look at the splits with him and without him as a team wins losses points everything. He's one of the best tackles in the league and it shows you know so having him back and healthy you would imagine hey maybe the run game will work maybe everything will open up and be better and you're not draft in Saquon number one like you were last year. Right. Very very early just off the top of your head. Ken Bone Walker or Saquon Barkley. Ken Bone Walker. All right. Seattle. Goodbye Clint Kubiak. You just earned yourself a head coaching job. Also before before we move on I just was since we're talking about these teams and we were saying Super Bowl odds looks like the Eagles are the seventh highest Super Bowl odds. The Rams are in fact the favorites. Oh. And Seahawks are second. There you go. 14 and 3 first in the NFC West. And Kubiak is now the head coach of the Raiders and Brian Flurry is taking over part time Viking full time offensive coordinator. He's got a Luke by this by look at this picture here 45 years old was with the Dolphins and then was with the 49ers. He was with Leaf Ericsson before that though. Leaf Ericsson. Yeah. Is that a Viking? Yeah. Okay. That's your heritage. Jason didn't know what it was. Guys it's it's it's are you upset back there Papa Josh? You know what he's talking about? I got it. It's called because you look like a Viking yourself. Thank you. That is actually the nicest thing you've ever said to Josh. He took it as a hardcore compliment. And you were probably around when they were not just an objective compliment. If you like the look of a Viking. Oh well. Some people like it. I mean depends if you're a man or a woman. Okay. I think most men would take it as a compliment. Yeah I mean you know you're I don't know if I strong if I told you you look like you're in a biker gang would you take that a compliment. No I wouldn't. Pretty similar. I think that's a pretty similar look. Yeah. I think the Vikings translated straight into biker gangs. Yeah exactly. They retired from Vikings and then they got a motorcycle. Like I'm old. I mean it's a biker. That's how I see them now. Yeah. Oh they're not all old man. Right in their land boats. Exactly the water is too tough on my tummy now. Give me flat ground. Their land boats. The wooden motorcycles. Those are the ones the Vikings ride. Lee Ferrickson has a day. October 9th. Lee Ferrickson day. This is a real person. Yes. Well you said it's from a book. Genuinely. Yes a history book Jason. What is that. I wish I could leave you alone but I thought he was talking about some actor that played a Viking or something. Yeah. So I am out of the history books. When you go to the library there's nonfiction books and fiction books. Oh you're allowed to go. He is like a very famous. I'm not allowed to go into the nonfiction section. You're allowed. Hmm. There's no. Do they have nonfiction in audible. Of course. Okay well that's news to me. Expectations for the Seattle offense. Losing Kubiak you have to say is a big blow right. I mean yes you were and you lost Ken Walker. So they got to read and Sharpen a. They got to read focus the running game and but you got JSN right. You got Sam Darnold. They really have to pick up the pieces and figure some things out here. They paid Rashid Shahid. We'll see if Barnard Arroyo maybe breaks out a little bit in year two. Tori Horton will come back from injury. You know you expect them to be a very good team because their defense is very good. They were number two in points per game. I don't know if we see that kind of year again right. We a couple years ago it was like this was a story with the Lions right. It's like they were that good on offense. Can you repeat that. But top five top 10 offense. Very difficult. That's what you're aiming for. Do you have confidence that Flurry will get the job done. No I mean you've got the same quarterback. You've got a great wide receiver. They're coming off of the Super Bowl. Great. Can they be just as good as they were last year. Yeah but do am I confident in that when you lose your best running back. Your entire running back core to start the year. And the guy who is so good at manufacturing you know the Kubiak system that run scheme worked really well. Now he has left to become a head coach. You know we just talked about the Eagles right. The Eagles went to a Super Bowl and they had Kellen Moore and he went and took a head coaching job and they still were a good team. They still had the same offensive pieces but they didn't have Kellen Moore and then the scheme wasn't as good and then that guy got fired the next year and people were upset. I could see that happening for the Seahawks if Kubiak was really part of the magic sauce of making this offense work. They were extremely run heavy. They were when they threw they were incredibly successful. Especially going down the I mean Sam Donald to DSN down the field was truly magic last year. It seemed like every time he's going to throw it 20 yards. DSN will be wide open. But that might be because of how run heavy. Right. That's what I'm saying of they with no Walker and you I can't imagine that Charves is there at the beginning of the year. How do you maintain that if that's what if that's what the team wants to be which I mean that you would think so as you have what Ryan Grubb two years ago gets fired after a great season or a successful season in terms of your record because that we didn't like how the the direction of the offense we want to run more. So we bring in Kubiak. If you don't have your two top running two top running backs how do you do that. I think they will make a splash in the draft. I think it's very likely that they will at running back. I think that was part of the decision. Yeah. You want to pick in Walker big running back money. It's just it's a really difficult year to make a splash. They got the perfect do it. Last pick of the first round. Yeah. I mean that but the the issue is I mean obviously Jeremiah Love will be long gone by then and then splash doesn't have to be a top five pick. I'm just saying like one of the top two or three running backs on the board. They could easily draft the second running back off the board. Yeah. That's all I mean their second pick. Yeah. I mean you got I don't know how much the NFL is going to love this this crop. Exactly. Tampa Bay every year always. Yeah. Josh is Baker may feel the quarterback. Because that means new OC always. I mean Zach Robinson though. Do we still like does he still have enough of the whiff of McVay on him. It's starting to wear off. I think he could be tracked by a bloodhound for sure. That was a bloodhound for yeah. There's enough. If Robinson was lost in the woods and you gave him a McVay hanky thinking they could track him down. There's enough hanky. The Buccaneer started six and two after the buy they went two and seven. It was it was sad. It was a sad MVP for for Baker as it was for a book as it was for I mean Evans is gone now. I think the clock is running out on Todd Bowles. This is another situation that I can see. Todd Bowles on the hot seat. You know it's like Frank Reich versus Aaron Glenn leaving. I think if this team started slow you could have Zach Robinson as your interim head coach. Absolutely. So ultimately we we've come to expect changes in the office of coordinator position for fantasy purposes. You know I certainly am not. I don't think that Zach Robinson makes me feel way better. I don't think he makes me feel way worse about the situation. I like that Evans is out of the way for fantasy purposes for the wide receiver room for Kate Dotton. I think Baker has gotten used to getting it done with different coordinators but I don't have like great. I don't think this is a major move. I like that it's an experienced play caller someone that comes in and you know he's not trying to figure this out. We didn't know how the grizzler would do. Sometimes you you are able to be Liam Liam Cohen where you know you get that first shot and you prove yourself and sometimes you get that first shot and you're like you are found unworthy. It's nice to have someone come in and go on grizzler. We know you're not bad. I guess my guy's my Robinson is not working. I can't get back in the building. Someone had to someone had to fall in the sword for balls not to leave. That's the truth of that situation is either going to be balls out the door or somebody was going to have to get the it's your fault not mine. It's not me. I'm not leaving. Yeah. So I you know I I'm going to be mildly interested in the in the buccaneers. I'm very excited to see where with Mike Evans leaving where big boo is drafted will be fascinating in Mika big boo. I'm guessing that if you look at where he's going on underdog right now it's not where he's going to land come August. We should all guess Kyle can tell us but we should guess where we think he's going in underdog like right now like now. Yeah. I'm going to guess he is going at. I have my guess. I've got my wide receiver number wide receiver. Yeah. I've got mine. I will guess wide receiver twenty two. I had twenty three. I had twenty six. Kyle he's twenty one. I think it will rise. I do too. Yes I do sir. I love the cadence. It was really eager. Yeah. I think it will rise. I do too. I think that there could be some some definite reasons for optimism there as a go to because because you go into next year I mean Godwin Godwin is really reliable but not explosive anymore in my opinion. So then you're you're looking at a book. Can you take the mantle there and he's he's a good receiver. You don't do what you did in the first seven weeks eight weeks if you're not. So we'll see. Washington boy the wheels fell off last year. Everything went wrong and then they lost Cliff Kingsbury now. He was a revelation for Jane Daniels as a rookie. David Blau Blau Blau Blau Blau taking over David Blau. The defense was bad guys. The backwards hat Dan I mean he's kind of like Doug Peterson. It really works in the beginning. That's how I feel about we do we have the numbers Andy. I don't know if you saw them. OK go ahead. So in 2024 head coach Dan Campbell went 10 and four in the regular season with Dan Campbell. I'm sorry. Dan Quinn went 10 and four in games he wore a backwards hat. Oh we have backwards hat. Yeah. Yeah. No this is Kyle gives us the stuff now just in something to note in that year 2 and 0 with a beanie on just a slide back and defeated 2025. It flipped. Head coach backwards hat games 3 and 12 to an over the beanie. Oh no undefeated. Yeah. So we he hasn't lost with the beanie in two years. Correct. And he looks better. What is the somewhat how old get these numbers to Quinn because we've done some math on like when you should be wearing a backwards hat. Don't you. Well we don't. That's Colin Coward. Yes. Well we can we can lay claim to the to the head coaching. I mean he can judge the quarterbacks of backwards hats. We can judge head coaches. Here's what I think head coach I think if you win a bunch of games you can do whatever you want. And I think if you don't you look dumb and stupid like that haircut for for Matt LaFleur it's going to look fine if he's 12 12 win coach. Yeah. And if you look like that I'd get the clippers ready. I'd get the clippers ready. We like bad defenses for offenses to have potential. Jane Daniels didn't get to play much last year three games with McLaren. He only started seven total. We know the offense is going to look very different. David Blah had good comments about McLaren too. Because the you know a lot has been made about from the head coach and Cliff Kingsbury arguing about what the offense should be. You know Cliff is a very it's a college offense where it's everything is shotgun and Dan Quinn wants people he wants his quarterback under center more. He wants to get that. He utilized that to a great effect for the run game. And so I would expect that that will happen a lot. Now what what will Jane Daniels success be in that type of offense because that is it's very different being the shotgun only quarterback versus the under center. I mean I think Jaden's good so he'll be able to adapt to it but it will be something to pay attention to. David if he struggles early. David Blah came out and said he wants to run the offensive terror McLaren and get him 10 plus targets again. That was one of the things that he said he said that's going to be part of the goal of the offense. Would you like to hear from you do like you do. You do. You see the 10 10. This is it. What that how many times are you throwing the ball. 11. I mean are you throwing the ball. 28 times and you're giving McLaren 10 targets every week. I'm just that's it's just untenable. Okay. It's math. I don't know how untenable it is with their current depth chart. Because they don't have enough. Who else who are you throwing the ball to here. Name somebody. Chig Oconquo. Well there you go. Yeah. There's three. You didn't get to hear this guy lose. Yeah. Lose has been Senate love and Chig Oconquo. Do you think he'll be a pretty good asset for fancy because Zach Hertz was a very good asset for Jaden Daniels. Zach Hertz is coming off major injury. And that was the limited version. Yeah. Zach was still a young healthy Oconquo. No no no chance he makes a huge impact for fantasy. Okay. You're out. Chig is fine. But there's like I said on the things for remember I was a they're all they're all fine. They all suck other than the complete outliers at tight end. Sure. But it's just you do you think he could have an outlier year. No. No I think he'll be even if he's a you know a top 12 tight end it'll be irrelevant. I don't think he is as good as Zach Hertz. I know Zach Hertz isn't as athletic as a Conquo but there's way more to play in that position. Zach Hertz is an you know an all timer at tight end. And so yeah he was an old timer all timer. But still he's got to good spots. I think this this team is desperate for some skill position players. I don't think he does but I bet they take Tate or Tyson whoever first pick yeah whoever they prefer. I think they'll take one of the three that will definitely change everybody's tune on McClearn's upside for that team if they add one of the big names. McClearn's not young. No he's not. All right. 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