Ep. 826: Like Nuts on a Cat

This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to Meet Eaters 12 and 26 presented by Moltremobile and OnXMaps. 12 of Meet Eaters biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long form episodes so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my Bated Bear Hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a Bated Bear Hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meet Eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. This is happening on February 19th in Nashville people. So we're going to do a meet and greet at the Robin Hurt Safari's booth from 930 to 1030. And then we're doing our actual event at 2 o'clock in the Omni Ballroom. After the event, I'll sign any kind of books or take any pictures of MMO wants to do that. What you got to do is just go to the Safari Club International website. To go to the event, to go to the convention, you got to join Safari Clubs. You're joining a conservation nonprofit. You join Safari Club. And as you do that, you'll see a process where you then get a ticket to go to the event that Morgan and I are putting on. All the ticket price goes to SCI. Like this is not going to be a Morgan. We're doing it. But your money goes to support SCI, holy and fully. Hope to see you guys there. February 19th in Nashville. This is the Meet and Eater Podcast coming at you. Shirtless severely, both bitten in my case, underwearless. Let me feed our podcast. You can't predict anything. Brought to you by First Light. When I'm hunting, I need gear that won't quit. First Light builds. No compromise gear that keeps me in the field longer. No shortcuts. Just gear that works. Check it out at FirstLight.com. That's F-I-R-S-T-L-I-T-E. By God, we're joined here by everybody's favorite Kentucky Inn. The madman from the LBL. Get the Clarks River Bottoms. Kevin Murphy. Don't forget that. Cheers. Ladies and gentlemen, Kevin Murphy. Joining us here in South Texas, sitting with a fruit cake in front of them. Fruitcake made by my master gunsmith and duck-deak-duck call maker. Hambone, his daughter, made that. That's a Christmas tradition at their family. She makes fruit cakes and he hands them out to his friends. So your buddy Hambone makes fixes guns, makes fruit cake. His daughter makes fruit cakes and he makes duck calls. But Hambone can do anything. He is a all-fill mechanic. It's a family business. He is. Oil-fill mechanic. He made these metal-read duck calls. Metal-read. He's got a metal-read. Hambone, where's the kid? What happened? Hambone made this. I call it the FFD design. You want to explain it with that? What? What? I tuned it to my liking. I don't think it likes it. I wish I should go get mine. You tuned it to your liking? Yeah. Let me see. That sounds good. Yeah. Too much air coming out. You're like too much air or something. I'm like too much air coming out. You're like too much air or something. Too much air or something. I'm like too much escape now. Yeah, because it's hitting your mic. That's good. That's better. Yeah, it's got a metal-read and a Hambone made that. Yes. Okay, Kevin, you're here. We're going to get your feedback on a bunch of things. You tell about a bunch and I want you to pitch your habitat restoration project. Which is, I read it as the war against dudes that wait like wakeboarding. It's fine to call it like it is, dude. Let's call it like it is. This is what I call it. You're a wakeboat. You're a wakeboat is killing Kevin's fishery. Let's call it like it is. Now, it's more than that. It's worse than that. I'm not going to say war. It's the cure against recreational boating that has destroyed our button bush habitat along the, our lakeshore of Lake Barkley. I'm going to make a t-shirt that says your wakeboard is killing my fish. I believe it. Yeah. It's just let's call it like it is. I probably got deer friends. You know what like when you used to say something bad. You like some of my best friends are wakeboarders. I think they might be actually. Well, really? It's the greatest best friend. It's, but I think Travis Barton likes that stuff. Is a wakeboard? Yeah. He's one of those guys when I'm up there on Canaan Fairy trying to have a nice, nice peaceful day. No, he goes back to Minnesota and destroys habitat. I might be wrong. He's a water skier, but he might not be a wakeboard. A wakeboat guy. Well, the difference between a water ski boat and a wakeboard boat that that wake is 10 times bigger. 10 times bigger. I'm not going to start beating up water skiers. I come from a long line of water skiers. Well, they're probably the problems too. It's recreational boaters and marinas. There used to be a four-engineer plan that after July the 4th, they would start drawing the lake down. Because Barkley Lake is a flood storage lake. That's what it was built after the 37 flood. If we're just going to get into this right now, let's get into this in a minute. Because we need to sell the full story. I just wanted to blame those guys. I thought we was going to wage war on stand-up paddleboarders, but I realized I don't have any reason to. They don't make a wake. My only gripe was when people start doing a thing that didn't use to exist, I always wondered what they were doing before it existed. Because I don't do it. The stuff I do people have been doing since the beginning of time. Yeah. Recreationally. So when stand-up paddleboarding became a thing, I thought I could think about what were you doing before? Pickleball. The only thing that you were doing before pickleball. The only table tennis? No. What do you mean now? I don't think that those people that are playing pickleball. I don't think that a few years ago they were playing table tennis. Or tennis and jack. They were watching TV. Listen, not that I'm for stand-up paddleboarding, but just like devils advocate. The very controversial act of stand-up paddleboarders. I mean, it's not my thing, but whatever. Back in the day when logging was heavy and they were floating logs down rivers, there was always a guy up there with a pole. The original sup that stood on the logs and made sure they all... So that's an argument for it. Just to irritate me. Back in the day they were doing it. I think irritate me. My wife went and bought our kids two stand-up paddleboards. Just to stick it to me. Nice. And now I got to like store them and get them out and blow them up and move them around and tie them down to stuff. I've got to use them every once in a while. So you've never paddleboarded them? No. So what if you did it and like turns out you like... Well, I got a tie on top of the car all the time for my kids. That might be your thing when you're tired. Now you would see me out my yard and be like, What a hypocrite. I saw him look. I'm just seeing you on a lake just paddling around and enjoying yourself. And I'm going to say, I wonder what he did before paddleboard? Yeah, what did that guy used to do? Why is TV all that long? Here's a deal. Here's a deal to Sean. We have long talked about at the podcast here, which has been airing for a century. We've long talked about splitting... We've long talked about splitting the show into news and commentary and interview. Because now I know we'll have an interview guest on the show and he'll have to sit there. He doesn't know what to say. Let's say some anthropologist never listened to the show in his life. And he's easier to talk about like, you know, cloveist research. And he's got to sit there while we talk about the news and talk about stand-up paddleboarding and Kevin Murphy's fruitcake. So the guy's just sitting there like, oh, he has no problem. He's not in the joke, whatever. So we talked about splitting the show. We're officially splitting the show. Starting in March. Starting in March, you're going to see two versions of the Meet Eater podcast pop up. You're going to see the Meet Eater podcast is going to be the news show, which is like news and commentary. We're going to cover your news. We're going to cover our news. We're going to cover the news. We're going to be the interview show where we have on biologists, researchers, archaeologists, authors. They are now and then. I know everybody hates it. Now and then a politician will come on the interview show. And that'll be a weekly show. The interview show, the normal podcast where we interview experts in various fields of the outdoors. That'll be Mondays. That's the Monday. That's the regular Monday drop that you know and love. We're going to be talking about the Edmund Fitzgerald. For instance, that, which is called the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald, that's the interview show. That's Mondays. That's normal. The news show, which again, covers your news. So listen to feedback corrections. Our news, what we've been up to, making fruit cakes, whatever. And the news, national news, local news. Any news that would influence your thinking, the news show, the news show drops fresh. Okay. You've heard us talk about fops where I'm like, why can't we just make an episode and fop there? It comes out as fast as fill the engineer can get it ready to go. It will drop so that if we say, hey, in the news yesterday, that's what we're talking about. It just drops. It comes out, wow, fop. When it's ready, the news show hits. It's just going to be hits when it hits. So watch for it. Part of this. We're drawing in all the brain power. We're drawing in all the brain power and all the storymaking power of the guys you know from radio live. But in order to do this more, this more urgent news show, which comes out when news happens every week and it comes out when it comes out, we're sunsetting in March radio live so that we're not held to it being at a specific time. Was it 11 o'clock on Thursdays? Yeah. Yeah. We'll no longer be beholden to being like it's live at 11 on Thursdays. So the guys from, the guys you know in the driver's chair at radio live are coming over to the news show. And we're taking many aspects of that format and bringing it to the news show, which is quicker response time. So radio live will sunset in favor of creating a the news show, the news, okay? Stay tuned for all that. Um, all the stuff you love. Corrections. Go ahead. I was just going to say I think a lot of people are going to really enjoy that. I think so. People will be pissed. People will like it. It's like everything. Yeah. Just like everything. We had on a guy, speak about the, you know, you can't please. Yeah, you can't make everyone happy. We had a guy out in the air day. He killed a big huge buck downtown, but he's also running for governor. He's like, hey, did you? Um, what was the audience response to the interview? And I said, man, I don't look. This is going to sound terrible. I don't look at comments. Um, I told him I don't look at comments because I don't want to be captured. There's a thing called being captured by an audience. Yeah. Right. Like you hear people bitching about stuff and then you change your way. Yeah, you change your perception, your opinions, your actions. We're like a pull. I want to pull this up. He's talking about the hazard of listening to people complaining. Um, let me find this. This is interesting. Someone talked about something real quick, but not for too long. What about our dog art here boys? Red or brownish shoulder? I don't. I'm going to be rep behind those three dogs. Red that. Okay, check this out. I don't know. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. Okay, check this out. I don't get why you get certain. Do is just complain about everything all the time. Well, one guy was saying one guy commented on the Rob saying that so Rob saying is he was discussing his faith as a Christian. And he's also discussing how he's running for governor of Iowa as a Democrat. And the guy in the comments section was like a Democrat can't be a Christian. I'm like, did you read down the Bible? So we're talking about like people to complain all the time. He sent me this in 2015. Okay, there were 8,760 formal complaints submitted to the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport about noise pollution. Okay. So 2015, 8,760 formal complaints about noise pollution at Ronald Reagan Airport. 6,852 of them came from a single house in an affluent neighborhood in Washington, D.C. In 2015, that house members of that household submitted 19 formal complaints per day. Wow. Geez. Someone has to talk about it. Okay. They need to pick up a palboard. The US, listen to this. The US Department of Education has an office for civil rights. Okay. And they enforce civil rights laws related to education funding. In 2023, they received 5,059 sexual discrimination complaints from a single person. So they had a total of 8,151 formal sexual discrimination complaints of which 5,059 came from one person. So one person accounted for 68.5% of all sexual discrimination complaints in that year. Point being you got watch out. Yeah. Uh, where's that going with that? Oh, anyways, we're launching. When the new new show launches, we're going to launch a contest called Corrections of the Week. You can win correction of the week by catching us being wrong about something. And it can be that we're wrong. Or it can be an error by omission. Right. An error by omission. And I explain what that means in a previous episode. So here's some corrections from the recent. I'm going to skip one because we already kind of covered it and the guys are on and the guys are on. From our most recent episode. What was this one called? We had a recent episode in it. We had a segment on there called skunk ruin a marriage. And I was talking about a guy whose wife wants to divorce him. Or is marriage is getting rocky because he's taken up skunk trap and because of skunk prices are so high. His wife can't handle the constant smell of skunks around. I comment that I think he just needs a teller baby. Trap and season don't last all year long. And some smart Alex thinks he's got a correction. He looks up on the let Seth explain why I'm going to correct his correction. He corrects and says, Hey, I caught you. Oklahoma's list skunks. As being open year round, no daily season, no possession limit, no bag limit. So, Ha, you're wrong. Trap and season is all year. Seth. There are hides are only prime for a certain part of the year. Yeah, yeah. Turn to correction back only worth money for certain period of time when they're prime. So correction in your face, buddy. What are you going to call a corrected corrected? That's one. I don't know that I win something. I win. We give him a prize and then take it back. This guy says I was saying he says he was a guy was saying they use like saying, now I'm no Jeremiah Johnson. But I'm a pretty good trapper. And I said, Jeremiah Johnson isn't held out as a good trapper. He doesn't put up big numbers. And I was telling him if you were like, Hey, I'm no John Graham. I'm no Mercer Lolling. I'm no Craig O'Gorman. I'm no Slim Peterson. I'm no Mike Marziata. They're good trappers. Maybe I was saying I'm no famous trapper. Yeah, he said I'm no Jeremiah Johnson. But there's no reason to believe Jeremiah Johnson was ever good at trapping. He catches like. He comes in with a beaver one day and his wife acts his wife looks surprised. It was around that time when he shaved his beard and it was given her like, you know, he had to shave his beard because it was making your tater face. Yeah. He comes in with a beaver and she looks like, oh my God, he got one. I'm not making this up. I know the same. There's another scene where they're out of food and he tells Caleb his his boy. The the the mute boy takes under his wing. He says, take no to where I place those traps and go fetch us some real food. That's it. He doesn't have a big barn full of 300 beavers. You caught. Yeah. You know what? He's the reason the believes a good trapper. He's the reason the believes a good trapper. He's the reason the believes a good trapper. He's the reason the believes a good trapper. He might have been serving you up some soft geek. Yeah. No, she's always making a flatbread out of cornmeal. He didn't like it. So then this guy comes back. Steve, you are mistaken. There is a scene depicting Jeremiah Johnson as a successful trapper. If you have watched nearly a thousand times like myself, you would know it's not narrated, but clearly depicted. Good luck on future screw ups. Wow. Man, that's kind of like you want to stick it to you. Yeah, you can't stick it to me. There is no. I'm a Jeremiah Johnson through and through, dude. It's a great movie. There is no reason to believe that Jeremiah Johnson is a good trapper. Yeah, it's just an opinion. The did he say where in the movie? No. I'll see you as no facts to back it up. So in your face, buddy, good luck on prize with drawn prize revoked. Good luck on future corrections. Yeah. Join the day by Seth Morris, out of Max Bardem and Chili Pequante. Not Chili Pequante. Chili Pequante. Chili Pequante. Chili Pequante. Chili Pequante. Here's a real correction. This is a real flat out good correction. This guy wins correction of the week. And this is when I deserve and he's right. Comes in from Texas Parks and Wildlife Law Enforcement. From state HQ. All the way from the top. Means business. He says, I was listening to the latest podcast this morning. This is an old one. We've been sitting on this one because I wanted to do the correction from Texas. So it felt real. I made a comment in a past episode saying that Texas has a law that allows you to cross property lines to retrieve game if you're unarmed. Okay. Common law. Where I got that was. I remember we were hunting, saying Hill Crane's up in the panhandle. And I remember I hit a crane and it sailed off but went down across property lines. My body said go ahead and get it but leave your shotgun on this side of the fence. A warden wrote in. He said, I'm not telling you that didn't happen. And maybe your body had a understanding with the neighbor. But it was just like a permission we got. So maybe my body was wrong. So I'm not telling you your body didn't say that but that's not true in Texas. You would have secure permission from that neighbor armed or unarmed to cross his fence to do retrieval. That is not you do not have that right in Texas. There's not a retrieval right in Texas. Can you do that in South Dakota? You can. Yeah. You have to just leave your your shotgun or whatever on like your hunting ditch chickens like hunting the ditches in South Dakota, which is legal. If you get up, flies over, shoot it over the name someone's property. You can go get it. You can cross that boundary. But you have to leave your gun like in a public spot. In most days of that South Dakota. Okay. Can you bring your dog with you too? You know, that's a great question. I don't know if the dog is allowed. I'd rather bring my dog over than a buddy. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be curious to know if you could like just send your like send Ruby out there to go. Well, the reason you probably can because in most places if a dog a dog doesn't get cited for trespassing and the dog is an armed either. You know, well mine is well. But uh, yeah, yeah. So just for folks to keep mind. Um, this is a real state by state issue retrieval. There's places where retrieval is allowed. I can't think of one of the states, but I remember guys saying. Look it up. He lived in a state where retrieval is allowed. But he was saying out of courtesy. He would never do it. Oh, it was the guy that has that little postage stamp piece of ground. What's the he was in Oklahoma? You found his property. Uh, no, Dr. Randall found the property. Yeah, on on X. Somehow Randall found the property. What state was that guy in Oklahoma? I think I remember this. I think it was the guy that was in the state where you were retrieval is allowed. Um, so you shoot a deer, deer runs cross fence in this state. You could go get it. So there are states where retrieval is allowed. There are states where unarmed retrieval is allowed. There are states where retrieval is not allowed. Uh, in states where retrieval is not allowed. I would recommend if you had that situation, you might step one. Ask for permission for retrieval. You are denied retrieval permission. I would do a step two and you're not calling up to complain, but a step two would be call your local game ward. Explain to your local game warden. Here's what happened. Maybe the game warden if he's got time would have better luck having a conversation with the neighbor to say, I will accompany the hunter or will you allow me to go over and and drag it back over. That might be a good step to take. So let me chime in here a little bit. Please. You remember Amish Jason. Yep. Went rabbit with this. Yep. So he's Amish. His family, well, he looks Amish. His family, uh, got into a little scuffle. The 16 year old son shot a decent buck. Uh, it, it, uh, ran over to the neighbor's property that was leased to some dudes from out of state. And it died. And before they could get it, those guys guys, uh, they scooped it up the landowner, the, the rental guys out of state. And then it's like they kind of had the picture of the deer on the trail camera and then all of a sudden they meet on the like at the gas station. They've got the deer in the back of the of the truck and are taking pictures and stuff of it. They see it. Then they get the game warning Bob and then that's when they find out that in Kentucky. There's no, you've got to have landowner permission when that deer goes over there and dies. It becomes that landowner's deer. Got it in Kentucky. So what one of the happenin'? I have. I think the game is deer back. I think eventually got his deer back because the out of the 100s anyways, it's like. Picture the world in which you'd have it stuffed on the wall. Oh, sweet. Where'd you get that buck? Well, the neighbor kid got it, but I took it from him. Yeah. The dudes pour in from out of state here in Kentucky now and they pay absorbent prices for land into like three or four thousand dollars a weekend to hunt to shoot a 125 like tale. And they do not want to go home without something. The all the money that they've invested, feeding deer. I worked on a project over in Cretan and County and I was amazed that coming in August, September, all the trucks from out of state that would come in with just a damn pickup low of deer feed and deer feeders on our start feed the deer and doing that. So it's a huge industry in Kentucky that everybody is like, it's under the radar. Nobody wants to talk about it. Nothing worse than a dude hunting out of his own state. You can't say that. It should be illegal. You can't say that. Tony that straight from Texas. Not. Welcome to meet eaters 12 and 26 presented by mulch remobile and on X maps. 12 of meet eaters biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long form episodes so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on meet eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Oh, I got had this a little bit I just a circle back on this skunk situation. Then we're going to put the skunk situation to bed. This is I think this is a wives tale. It's like water witching Kevin and I had a long argument Kevin believes in water witching. I do I do not. My friend David Johnson. He is a supreme water witcher. Don't take don't take the base. He's going to be on a plane. You're taking the bait. I was trying to rage beat you. He did it to me. I did it. I did it. I did it. Facts. Yeah. Facts. You watched a guy water witch. He's written several men. Him. We went out there and there's zones of concentration. Zones of concentration. And that's where the first American hunters, the first Americans, they would build their campsites. A lot of times on zones of concentrated water. Sure. Underground. Not great. What's they have to do with water witching? He can once he finds, goes out in that like the mega complex that we're working on. He went in and a water witched it. And that's where we're concentrating our digs. And that's where we found the bottom tusk of a mastodon in the shape of a penis. Can I argue that? Playing that fuck on baby. I tell you, I believe everything everybody tells me. So now until someone tells me it's fake, I'm going to tell them it's real. It's crack, you know, I'm a saying Craig Clay. Clay don't like any kind of thing that has to do with sorcery. So he don't like it when you call it witching. I was telling you this. He calls it thousand. Because he thinks witching makes it seem like a black art, a dark art. Anyhow, skunks. Guy writes in to say this. This is a correction. It's a hot tip. He says my dad traps skunks during World War II for the government. He'd sell them to the government. He says to make parkahoods. That could be true. They had a skin and shed off the barn. They'd have a fire burn in an a barrel. It would throw a wet slice of this is I'm going to read this verbatim. Because he's got some clever punctuation in here, which is proper. He says and would throw a wet slice of I'm pretty sure. Elfalfa hay on the fire to make it smokey. Continuing the quote. That would kill the skunk smell in the skin and shed off the equipment as well as the skins. I don't think so. I think it would. Mass the scent a little bit. It would complexify the order. I think it would complexify the order. I don't know that it would neutralize the order. We're just mixing different smells together. Yeah, you mix that smells. That's all you really don't. When I was a kid, the lower was tomato juice. Now the hot money and I think it's legit. The hot money is like hydrogen peroxide. Dawn, distratergent. And you make a frothy shampoo and skunk trappers when they get one that'll spray. You'll legit they'll make up that little concoction. I've tried it. And I thought it was like it didn't eradicate the smell. But they'll make up that concoction and no joke. Give that skunk a little bath. It's frothy. You scrub them down in it. Interesting. So maybe we should try that. Save his merit. I got sprayed by skunk one time and just left my clothes outside for months. Delic<|it|><|ta|><|en|> I had a guy telling me a story. I was like, I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. I'm not sure if I can tell you what I'm saying. Please do it with all your dogs. It's probably like 1980, 79, maybe 81. For prices is a pretty high. And everybody was trapping and had some kind of Hmongroot dog and stuff. And I had a dog named RT and we'd go out at night and you could get $6 for a big possibly. So we had got out one night and roamed around and he loved to catch a skunk. He'd got into the skunk and I come back home and it was probably like 11, 30, 12 o'clock at night. I'm creeping in the door, opening up the door, still living with my mom and dad. And we got a pretty good size house and they're on the like very back end and like I know more than get like 10 feet in a house there. And my dad screaming at me to tell me to take my clothes off that he can smell that skunk. I'll go back outside, drip my clothes off and go in and take a shower. But I mean it was that quick. It's just soon as I hit the door, they got in the back of the house, they can smell that. It is, it is just I have a immense respect for that solution, that liquid in a skunk. I mean, I don't think a human could make. I don't think in a lab you could make as pugnacious or resilient of an order in a laboratory. That stuff too, like when you smell skunk at a hundred yards, it smells like skunk. But when you really get in there, it turns into something different. My dream is to get real mad at someone and skunk them. Well, I just want to take a hyperdermic needle of skunk and just give a little and put that and jacked it into their car seat. Oh gosh, you know, can you imagine they would look and look and look and look and find it. Right? They would never stop looking and they'd never find it. What's that liquid even called skunk sand? If you want to buy it, if you want to buy it, you'd be buying some skunk essence. Okay. Right now, I'm making a thing called, I'm not in the market. Well, I am. We've had it for treatment. Well, we've get, we sold it in the auction house of bodies. What did it go for? I don't remember. I'm making a thing right now called the Nelson formula. It's a, it's a coyote bait formula I'm making. And the first step is you grind Bobcat meat and you put it out to tank. You put a tank on it. Chili thought it, chili literally put his tank on it, not realizing that what I meant was you put it. He thought it was, he thought it was a tank. When I said, we're going to put a tank on it. I was just out there spreading eagle. Turned around there was chili. I said, I said, no, no, chili. Well, we were going to ride it ever so slightly. We're not going to put it. We're going to let it tank. We're not going to put a tank. Good initiative, bad judgment right there. But that's a guy's quick. You know, he told me to do something. I'm putting a tank on it. This is part of a broader project. This is part of a book project. This is part of a book project I'm beginning about. The history of and characters involved in the American fur trade through time, right, since the beginning of time. When they established Manhattan, it was a beaver. They established Manhattan. It was like a beaver trading outpost, right? So, as part of this thing, it's like a fun little bit on making this very famous bait formula called the Nelson formula. Step one is you take some bobcat meat, chunk it up or grind it down and then ride it in your garage for a long time. You take a glass jar fill it glass gallon jar, fill it two thirds full and start riding it down. There are days making my daughter and her friends smell it. They want me to make oh, yeah, he's daughter, Mabel and Rosie. They want me to make smash burgers for dinner. And I tell him I was going to make cat smash burgers on that. Yes, smash burgers. That's make up smell it. My daughter, dude, she want to go near that jar and beyond these daughters, daughter knows right there. What else is in the bait? So then once you get you make a solution. So you make you grind up the cat meat and let it tame. Then you make a solution in another jar. And the solution is comprised of pure rain water. Fine. Red fox piss. Valyrian root. Some other root called like a pheta. Some people say it gives you the shit and some people say it cures the shits. A pheta wouldn't want to try it out. Yeah. Want to clarify that. A pheta, I ordered something. It was hard to find. I'm sure a tincture. So I was going to word I don't like. A tincture. A tincture of this root that goes in there. And in the Nelson formula, it was real smudge. And I couldn't tell if it meant 12 ounces or a half ounce. And Mercer Long told me definitely a half ounce. You want to put 12 ounces of that stuff in there. Fox. So I said Fox, but skunk essence, beaver caster, Valyrian root, this other root. What else is in it? That's it. And I took a bunch of beaver casters and cured them in moonshine. So I've seen that. I took a sip of it. It took me eight hours to get that taste out of my mouth. I can imagine. God. But you haven't had that moonshine. You have to do it. I think he has. If someone had it in him to drink the hydrometer, I'm just a tested to see where it goes. If someone had it in him to drink enough of that moonshine to get drunk off that beaver caster moonshine, I would have a lot of respect for that individual. Yeah, you might even grow a tail. Nope. So that's the Nelson. Why am I even talking about this? The Nelson formula? The hell is that talking about? Talking about skunk essence. Oh, skunk. The one part I don't have is the skunk essence. I got to go secure me some skunk essence. We've had years where we couldn't get away from skunk. I know. Thicker Finn. Not this year. Rich and poor. Yeah. Speaking of Bobcats, I got two other observations about Bobcats. Doug Dern introduced me to my favorite saying he was talking about two guys being real good friends. And Doug said they're like, no, it's not a dog. Yeah. A true friendship would be like, no, it's not a cat. That is a tight true friendship. That's real tight. That's a true friendship that nuts on a dog. Yeah, they're just always. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They know guys that are very close with one another. They're not like the bulls that's out here. No. Like nuts on the bull. I mean, they're friendly. Sometimes they separate a little bit. But they always come back to you. Yeah, I always find each other. They're like nuts on a cat. Yeah, they nuts on a big horn sheet. They're in touch. They're in contact. They text now. They have each other's email. But nuts on a cat is you're like. Last thing on Bobcats, how much have we talked about this whole Bobcat situation? Down here. Hardcast? No, no, no, not so much what we're doing down here. But just like, I feel like I've been like living. I've been like very, I got to move away from it. I've been too obsessed with Bobcats lately. It's starting to interfere with my marriage, my professional. It's kind of all we know. I know. Everything we've text about, texted about in the last three months has been Bobcats. After the auction, after the fur auction, I'm setting all, I can't go on. Like I can't. Till next year. Yeah, it's just like it's interfering with my personal life. It's interfering with my family. It's interfering with my job. So I should stop sending you trail can picture. I don't want nothing to do with Bobcats after the auction. It's just been very interesting to me as we talked about that like Bobcat. I've always been, I'm always interested in the fur markets. And as we covered skunk prices are high right now. And Bobcat prices are very high right now. I've got a very interesting book for you. I was going to bring them this trip, but I forgot it. And the title of it is the Bobcat of North America. Yeah, I'd be more in, I'll take a look. See you'll, you'll glean a lot of information. Well, I might not, you will. I might not. Yeah, it goes. Do you want to know why I might not? I do. We're good. I was just checking. It's because of, listen, man, I'm not hacking out. I'm just saying because it's from 1960. So that's great. But it's like, it's going to lack a lot of stuff modern collering data. A lot of it's like so much of what we know about how stuff moves. Is new. Okay. I'll give you that part of it. Yeah. But it's based on history and what they knew about Bobcats when guys just lived in the limits. Yeah. Not a college. A guy that maybe made his living from the bounty on Bobcat. Yeah. So when money gets involved, people find out how shit works. You put the money symbol in there. That's true. They figure out how can we catch every damn one of them out there. That's your bumper sticker on your car. He's got a pro. He's got a hole keeps the lights on bumper sticker on his car. Yeah. He's going to switch that out with. Well, that's true of cold. It's true. It's true. It's really hard. Everything there is learned about cold. Last time they are first and we'll do the other planets later. You know, that's your, I don't, yeah, I don't. Yeah. I grew up what you're saying about the money thing. But I don't. Um, we need to be, this is a whole other subject. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that much respect for you to see here in debate was part of it there. I used to be like the guy I hated. Loggers, timber cutters and all that. Yeah. I know. And then we've got to manage our forest. Yes. There's a place for old growth and there's a place to manage our forest. So we, we, we, we able to build nurseries for all types of animals. Listen, man, here's a deal. I'm not even going to tell you I disagree. That's fine. I'm going to let you say that. I don't agree. You know, some people come in the Kentucky and they'll go into a forest and they call it old growth. And it's like a hundred years out like LBL. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. This is old growth. It's not old growth. When they came in to make iron and steel up there, they used the forest for fuel. They made charcoal. Yes. Out of that. And they cut everything down. So the oldest tree up there is probably less than a hundred years old. That's not old growth. That's not old growth. But they classified as old growth and then they petitioned. The keyboard warriors. The one dude in there that is cranking out 14 emails a day saying save our old growth forest in LBL or whatever forest is in Kentucky. It's been already been harvested. It's not original old growth forest. Yes. Anything original old growth. I'm 100%. Let's keep that baby. Yeah. I 100% for have a tattoo. To make up for the fact that we're not using fire like we used to use. I'm all for managed forest. There's a lot of areas northern Michigan. Well, much of Michigan Michigan's upper principal. Like I could sit here in this place all day long that had that had much better wildlife habitat for native wildlife when they were actively logging because you need different structures and age growth and all that. I'm 100%. I am not a hands-off guy. Most forests are disturbed. They require active management. You're not going to put the genie back in the bottle. Mankind has already gotten in there and wax things up and mankind can do things to fix things. However, not to disrespect anyone on the economic end of it, not to disrespect the logger who's making a living. I don't think that when it comes to four year five year or five 400 500 600 year old trees at this point, I'm going to have more valuable standing there. I agree with you. I'm 100% with you on that part. Oh, back bobcats. Back to bobcats? Yeah. You got the world's seeabob bobcats. You know, I'm a bobcat guy. Man, when I was, I got great some great stories to tell you. When I was a kid, that was on my head list. And in Kentucky, they didn't become legal till when the society's saying come along, they didn't become legal till like 90 91 92-ish. They got off the list. You couldn't hunt them. You could hunt them at one time. Yeah. And then the society's came along and all that. They took them off and they restricted. But I remember as a kid going to Doc Mosley and Doc Mosley was part of the Manhattan project. He went into hot Japan right after. They dropped him. But I remember going to Doc Mosley's office getting a shot and asked for some pill and selling for $5. And I looked up there and he had two like kitten bobcats. I mean, just little bitty. I mean, most bobcats you see would be like small. But I was always intrigued with him. And then I remember one day that me and Brookie Wicker, we had camped out all night. And we got up early. Was that a girl or a guy? It's a guy. He had a sister named Julie, Jenny, and one more. I can tell you another story about that. I can tell you another story. Give it to Bobcat. Bobcat. G W Terrell said, I'll put it in layman's turn. G W Terrell said that Scott Wicker should have a medal for raising good looking women. So you can just read into that. That's the mouth. No problem. So it's crazy reading. So me and Brookie we've camped out all night. And we're on the edge of Lake Barkley. And we go up public creek. And we take our 22s. He's got a Winchester 61. Blown to his dad's got his initials engraved in it. SW. Somebody with some really skill with the engraver. Not you. And then I've got the Bronco 22 survival rifle. It's like all metal skeleton frame. And it flips up. So we go out and we're shooting 22s. We're killing this. We're killing that. There it is. This black bird probably like. I don't know. 40 yards away. Did a good, a good piece. I said, I bet you can't shoot that right there. And I go up. I take the Bronco up. And I squeeze off a shot. And so you didn't get it. And about that time. The black bird falls out of the tree. We take 10 steps. And here comes a Bobcat. Trotting across the road in front of his 20 yards. Turns and looks at us. We got no 22 shells. So you'll never catch me with less than a hundred pack. A hundred shells. Did you throw a gun at it? True story. 100% trick. So then I went from there. And I started running with his guy named Jimmy McCoy. And he was obsessed with Bobcat honey. Travel the whole United States from Maine, Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Oregon. Do you name it Bobcat hunt? Finding out what he needed to know about Bobcat. Told me it took him 10 years before he could catch a Bobcat on his own. With hand dogs. With hand dogs. In Kentucky. Because we get limited amounts of snow. At that time, some of his hunting was like under the radar. So like I said, he's the one that petitioned to get the Bobcat legal. And then the trapper came in and apologized and he told him everything that he knew about it. So in the late 89 or so, I started hunting with him and learning how they do. Running dogs. We might go a whole season and not even catch one with dogs. Yep. And then I got a dog from him. I had another squirrel dog with the original butchie. Within probably three years, I was able to catch one on my own. With the knowledge that I got from him. Is that the one he caught sneaking out ahead of the dogs? Now that was with him. I had his dog pack. The one with that got my kids. Seth and I showed you a picture of hanging from a slippery amtory. That's the one that was my first one. Let's see. That's the first one I truly, I'd ambushed some with some dogs like road hunt down the road. And they would push like a young kitten up a tree and just go in and shoot it. But I'd potentially turn loose on that big boy 24 pounds and caught him with the dogs. Got it. Right now. Cats are real high. This is kind of part of this whole deal I want to talk about with cats. Cat prices are very high. So it's just got me interested in like this whole range of cats. So we're down here in South Texas. And we just got some cats down here in South Texas. Predator calling for cats. We caught some cats up in Montana. These are very, very different extremes. Cats up in Montana are much bigger, thicker fur. Cats down in Texas are slender, lighter, thinner fur. But what makes a cat valuable or not is whether or not it has a white belly with clean black spots. Cats in South Texas and cats in Montana have white bellies and black spots. So they're of value. Just for a point of reference, when I was actually when I actually sold fur and would trap and sell fur and Michigan growing up. At a point time when a red fox was worth 40 bucks, a bobcat was worth $15. Because those bobcats out there aren't valuable because they don't have white bellies and black spots. They're not a spot. They're not nicely spotted. But right now, cat prices are crazy. Cats are consistently averaging more than 500 bucks in the West right now. And there's some collections of cats selling at 800 bucks a piece. Okay. Other poor areas of cats, cats are running one at $200. So, Seth and I are making a video called it's going to be called Stephen Seth get rich. And we're taking some Montana cats and some Texas cats and we're going to a famous bobcat auction. One of the top bobcat auctions in the country. I'm not saying where we're going, we're going to one of the top bobcat auctions in the country. Seth can't go because his wife's having a baby. He's being a baby about it. You and I are going. Me and Max are going. Yeah. Thanks for stepping in. I'll take care of you. Me and Max are going to the auction. And we're going to auction off Texas cats and Montana cats. We're going to do a video. We're explaining the cat market and then we're going to interview one of the top bobcat buyers. We're going to go to one of the top cat auctions in the country. And any of you want to the top cat buyers in the country. And any of you want to the top cat trappers in the country. And it's going to be called Stephen Seth get rich. And we're taking all of our wealth from this sale. And we're putting it into Seth's unborn baby, Virgil's. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. College account. I don't want to blow it on cigarettes. Any ear market for his education or comparable. It doesn't need to be college, but or comparable, comparable. Yeah. Educate further education or if he wants to start a business or whatever after after high school. He wants to learn how to weld pipe. He can use it for that. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's very nice to you Steve to contribute to that. We're putting all of our wealth very nice. Yeah. My own children very unhappy about this development. They'll hurt me talking about it. That's what that's what that's all. So anyways, we got some cats down here in Texas. We've been predator calling cats. I to date have called in. In my lifetime have predator called in during daylight hours. At this point now, a total of eight that I know about. I've called it down here. All in Texas. All in Texas. Yeah. I never called in a cat in the North. Yeah. Because you can't call for them in Montana. You can't use an electronic caller. Yeah. You can't use it. You don't use a mouthful and call. Yeah. We one time called a cat in my accident in Pennsylvania. I was just saying you're calling coyotes. Well, you did. Yeah. I called them in turkey hunting. Yeah. But I've called them in turkey hunting as well. I'm talking like intent to call. Yeah. Like intent to call. Well, just this trip. Four. Four. And the four last time I tried it. What about the one that you ended up shooting last time? Two years ago. That's one of the four. Yeah. I've laid eyes on it and tried while trying to call Bobcats in daylight hours. I've called in eight. I've found there's a sweet spot in the day. I can't make that call on it. Yeah. I'll tell you what I haven't done after. What I haven't done yet is called in a day break. No. Well, part of a pet theory of mine. Go ahead. I was going to say on on day one. The two cats that you killed. Was the last stand in the morning in the first stand in the afternoon. Yeah, it was like banker. And then the cat that I killed the next day was the mid morning. It was the later stand in the day. Yeah. And Mercer Long, who's called in a great many cats. Mercer Long was saying to me, it's amazing how many you call in that new. Yeah. What's it being that's almost like it's like when you review in your head. The turkeys that you get. Oh, yeah. Not the turkeys you try to get, but the turkeys that just come in hard. Bankers hours. Yeah. But guess what? You're still going right at the ass crack of dawn. You're still up there at dawn. You're still up there at dawn. Yeah, I think there's something about that. I don't know. Like this is like a pet theory of mine. I don't really know. A bobcat comes in with a very different attitude than a coyote. At day break, you call in a lot of coyotes. Yeah. I don't know. And a cat comes in pretty paranoid. Maybe there's something like they don't want to wrestle around. Yeah. Coyote or something. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they don't like. Maybe there's something to do with cows. There's a thing too with rattling deer. Like when you rattle box down here, you rattle more box down here midday than early morning. I feel. Do you not feel that way? The mornings are more productive for rattling. I think here day break. Like day break up until you quit midday. And the evenings evenings are not as productive. What I was going to say there is I always felt that box. Our board. Late morning. Yeah. Not bored. They're not chased. Their doors are bedded down. And he's more like, yeah, walk order and take a look. It's like if creeping in on a bowl, like creeping in on a bowl where like a bowl with a bunch of bedded cows, you creep in on them and like late morning midday. I feel he's more he's like more likely to come have a look. Then he is one of his cows are on the move. And he's like, I'm like, I got to pay attention over here. I can't get up. I can't lose it. But like late morning, he might be like, I go take a look. Yeah. Everybody's kind of chill holding still. I'm like, we'll have a look. See. Um, a start. He just came out. You're going to pay attention to this Kevin. That puts cats to bed, right? Stay tuned for our video. Yeah. Steven Seth get rich and Bob cats in North America. Facts. Yeah. We're also making a video. It's pretty much done is. It's called armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. It's called the armor. Isn't that true? Isn't that true? Isn that true? Humans are less monogamous than some mice, but are more monogamous than some breeds of sheep. This is out of Cambridge University. All it looks at is it looks at full versus half siblings in a range of mammals. You follow me? Full versus half siblings. Species and societies with higher levels of monogamy are likely to produce more siblings that share both parents, while those with more polygamous or promiscuous mating partners are likely to see more half siblings. Is that based on collared specimens? No. Okay. Genetics, right? When it comes to our level of monogamy, human monogamy, when it comes to our level of monogamy, we're in there with mere cats and beavers. We're in there with mere cats and beavers. And they're even going back in time. They're able to go back to Bronze Age burial grounds in Europe, Neolithic sites in Anatolia, ethnographic data from 94 human societies around the world, from Tanzanian hunter-gatherers to rice farming cultures in Indonesia. Okay. Wide swath of human cultures. You want to know what the most monogamous critter is out there? What the most monogamous mammal? Take your guess. I got swan. Nope. Oh, I was going to say Santa. No, not there. Is it a bird? They're not them. The California deer mouse. They are strict, strict monogamy. African wild dogs. Very monogamous. Etheopian wolves. Very monogamous. Eurasian beavers. So the California deer mouse has a 100, okay, top rating, 100 highest, 100. Etheopian wolves come in at a 76.5. Eurasian beavers. 72.9. Human 66. And then a mere cat and a gibbon were kind of like them. Grey wolves. Less monogamous than us. I wonder if they can. Keep going. Very low monogamy. 18. What's the lowest? Farrow cats. Obviously, yeah. We're getting down. Oh, geez, the Antarctic first seal, dude. They don't give a care. 5%. 2.9. Killer whales. Don't care. Imagine white tails. Don't care. Yeah. Killer whales, skirt chaser. Yeah, white tail. 3.3. The Savannah Baboon doesn't care. Champs. Getting around. Open door policy. Gorillas open door policy. Ditch cougars, Farrow cats. 16. Hmm. I wonder. So like some of the higher rating. Are they measuring, like, what if like their partner dies? That's all. Yeah. That would be like, is that how they're doing the study? It's just siblings and half siblings. Okay. So if you get into like, if you get into the, like, the, the California deer mouths. Yeah. A collection of progeny. All their parents. Same two parents. Gotcha. Right. Yeah. I mean, I got all kind of half brothers and sisters. Right. So I just thought the whole thing off. Here's, you want some squirrel news, Kevin? I'm ready for some squirrel news. Hit me. Okay. This is from the economist. I didn't know this. In Britain. I was making a joke there. Yeah. Two buddy of mine in California. We're talking about, like, Britain is trying to ban pretending to fox hunt. Cheese. Like, they ban fox hunt. So then these dudes get where they take a doll, basically, and put fox order and drag that around. Pretended that they pretend to fox hunt. But now and then they'll be all pretending to fox hunt. The dogs start chasing the real fox. So they're trying to ban pretending to fox hunt. My buddy in California, I said, Britain is like the world's California. He laughed. But this is nothing to do with that. So Britain has a pine squirrel, or they call it a red squirrel. They got a little shit in red squirrel. I didn't know this. They have invasive gray squirrels. Oh, yeah. Now, as I've talked about many times, I was raised to believe that pine squirrels bite the nuts off gray squirrels and make them unix. Is there any truth to that, Kevin? No. It's a wild tail. It's like, it's like, which in water. He said you believed in it. It's untrue. Now, the gray squirrels are really impacting England. I had no idea. Yeah. They now have estimated 2.5 million invasive gray squirrels in England. And their native squirrel numbers are down to 39,000. They've got to think. They found that they got to think they've identified how they're going to try to curb this. They found that gray squirrels have a real hunger for hazelnut butter. They poison in the hazelnut butter. They've established a red squirrel recovery network. This is researchers within the government's animal plant and health agency. They're low-dent, you know, because it's Britain. So they're not going to put poison in it. They're low-dent with contraceptives. Okay. This is like when this is one like, this is what happens when, when ecology, restoration of native species, habitat work, runs up against like radical animal rights elements when you have to start talking about that you're going to use contraceptives. It's like with the wild horse problem. You can't talk about killing them. They're like, well, maybe we can give them contraceptives. And we'll have to catch everyone and give it an update every six months to make sure it doesn't have any babies. So they have this contraceptive bait. And they have, they're developing a feeder that the squirrel has to have a certain mass. It has a certain weight in order to get into the freezer. So 90% of adult gray squirrels are heavy enough to activate it to get the bait. A red squirrel, he tries to go eat the contraceptive, he can't get the bait. Previously, they've focused their efforts on calling gray squirrels. But they say it's been expensive. I can only imagine physically calling. I'm guessing they don't mean like not physically, but I'm guessing they mean not through poison campaigns, but through shooting them. And granted, I get the poison thing. You could have, I get it. Yeah, I get it. You could have stuff getting in there, then you got toxins laying around. I had no idea. Kevin, you and your dogs can maybe go raise hell over there. You know, I have a few people on Instagram and they'll send me a occasional picture of them going on a squirrel hunt. I just recently got one from a family and they had a young son and he had a dog four or five gray squirrels had the, his daughter had a red rider BB gun. They hunted there and I ask him, says, hey, just tell me a little bit about your firearms over there. Says, how hard is it to get one? He says we can get a shotgun. Pretty easy. Not much hassle, but he says to get a rifle like five years to get one. And he said you've got to have a specific purpose, probably own some land before you can get, get a rifle shotgun. It's pretty easy, but I have a few people sent me stuff from over there on the gray squirrels going out. Have you ever heard of anybody over there squirrel dog? They had a dog. I don't know if it actually tree, but it helped them into the hunt. Some of the hunt clubs, they organize hunts now to go out and they do that polling thing and they'll go in and harvest a big, big bunch of squirrels. Here's a good one. This is from the journal nature. This takes a little bit of background. So in the journal nature, these researchers, they're working in South Africa. Have found arrowheads, stone arrowheads that they have dated to 60,000 years that contain plant toxins. Let's back up. What do you guys all staring at? I'm looking at cameras, making sure they're rolling for Phil. I thought maybe this time we had to leave while we're getting there. Give me a minute here. You can't age. So someone should go read this because you can't age a stone point. You can only age it by context. Like you can't take. Diet. Kevin's give me. Amateur archaeologist here. I just come off. No, no, you're right. Yes. There are luminous test. I don't know how to work. I don't know how accurate are. And you're talking about actually age in the stone. Actually, age of stone. Some kind of luminous. I just thought about that. The last time I was exposed to sunlight or something like that. I just found out. I don't know any dynamics about it whatsoever, but that's how they age those artifacts that don't have carbon 14 or anything with them. Okay. So. I have read the piece. Okay. 60,000 years. And they're finding plant toxins on stone points in South Africa from 60,000 years ago. When you get into like this idea, the number switch for this. There's this term people use of like anatomically and behaviorally modern humans. Meaning if you went and got a human from 50,000 years ago. And kidnapped him. And brought him in and rate and took him into time machine and raised him today. He'd be able to like fly an airplane and walk around on the streets and wouldn't look weird. Do you think I do I think that? Just saying. Is that yeah, it's there's like a debate was it like. But it's usually centers around 50,000 years ago, 70,000 years ago. People are like, behaviorally and anatomically modern humans at that time. Looked would have been dead ringers, right? For people alive could be like lawyers, pilots, cat trappers. The complicated stuff. At that time, you're looking scappy. This isn't my number. I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. Yeah. I mean, right around. So these guys found toxins derived from a plant whose common name is the poison bulb plant. And it's still used by traditional hunters today. When Seth and I were in Africa, some of the trappers, the trappers were poachers that they caught. They catch poachers and some of them they turn them into trackers, some of them you turn them into the police. These guys were telling us when they were kids, 13, 14 years old, they were hunting with plant poisons. For Kate Buffalo with poisons. So these are poisons still used today and they're finding traces of them on projectile points from 60,000 years ago. And it's a complex cooking process to isolate and activate the poison. Slowly weak and spray. It's just interesting. It's all very interesting. Yeah. Very interesting. That these dudes might have been that long ago cooking up in South Africa, 60,000 years ago, which is getting to the point where you can't even comprehend. Like humans, like you can throw the number around, but you can't really picture what that means. 60,000 years ago, three times longer ago than there were humans at all in the New World. Yes. Three times. So you imagine how long ago that was. Is some dude in America trying to bring you know, kill a Macedon three times longer, golden that dudes in Africa mixing up plant toxins. See, I was at the galt site. It's four hours from here and that's probably the oldest documented inhabited site in the US. Seven thousand years before Clovis, 20,000 and then I'm digging at a current site in Kentucky and our artifacts are dating around. 14, 5, 15,000 years ago in association with Macedon, Macedon and mammoths. Yeah. One of the few sites in the world where you have both species occurring and this year under the zones of concentrated water, we also found a piece of. What is it the moose elk antler, the moose elk. Yep. We found a section about that in situ in the ground planted at that site. So is it fossil? No, it's not fossil. It's still bound. It was under two meters, you know, six foot of overfield laying rat on the bedrock. Got you. A little section of that wild. It looked like it had been worked by humans. You know, it was just this kind of piece that looked like, you know, there's no artwork on it, no defined structure. You could, you know, it's like 50, 50 did a human use this for some kind of tool. Maybe, maybe not. Yep. And we have found ivory spear points. We found that pecker too. We found the pecker of the lore. I didn't even know that a mastodon had a lore tusk and they're usually eight to 12 inches long. The lore packer said in my hand in there and it was, is the shape of it and it was polished. Oh, yeah, you look at, a lot of times you hear like someone's like, oh, it's like a, you know, it's like carved into whatever and you look and you're like, yeah, maybe, maybe just luck. Yeah. You know, that term of geofact like, it's like a phony. Like, you know, it's like, you find a rock and you think it's something. Yeah. And then the guy would be like, that's a geofat. It was just the earth made it and it resembles a thing. That pecker is a pecker. It is. And here's a unique opportunity for people. We're going to have a major dig there starting in September through October. We need earth movers. You can come out and do some real archaeology with a doctor, Grammar. He's a trained anthropologist, 79 years old. We've been working that site for four years now. There's a lot of history there. It was the last battle of the Revolutionary War battle. Battle of Blue Licks. Ten months. The Boons Kid was killed there. Ten months after the Revolutionary War was over, the British were still trying to control the Northwest Territory. And they ambush Daniel Boon in his party. And like you said, like, yes, boy through throat. His son died in his arm. You can walk down to the river and actually see the Ford. I've been aiming like the way to cross it because it gets pretty low. You could ride a horse across it. No problem at all. But it's just mesmerizing to be at that site. All that history that Daniel Boon and the Salt Works, they were come there to do the Salt. The Megafauna came in there and they habitat it that area. We've got big bonewicks and Kentucky that's been robbed and traumatized from the original settlers that came in. Sent the bones back to England and stuff. They didn't know what a mastodon was at that time. But just to go down there and dig on something and find that, you know, everything we get, we have to kill. But you see fractured pieces of mastodon ivory, which is totally different than mammoth ivory. The teeth are different were a mastodon. It's main died is woody shrub bushes and stuff. And a mammoth is a hay eater. So they have flat, flat molars. So it's just really unique to be able to do that. It's like we need volunteers just kind of kind of watch my Instagram. Facebook whatever I'll probably put up some kind of notice. So what I want you to do is plug. I don't want you to plug that. So I want you to plug your other volunteer project. So everybody ignore what he just said. Because I think the other ones more important. It is to me. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah, let me do one last thing. One last news item. But we still need help. It's going to be fine. I'll come Kevin. This text means because we're in Texas. I want to do one last Texas to Texas news bits. Okay. And then you're going to do your deal. Then we got to wrap it up. Okay. Okay. We got 10 minutes. Okay. Check this one out. We reported on this before. Trying to decide the guys surfcasters using drones to drop bait. Like some surfcasters you paddle way out and drop your bait when you're trying to get it out past like the second sand bar or whatever. So guys started using drones. Texas that doesn't like to run around ban and stuff. Just generally speak them. They're like a banning things of verse state. Anti banning. And they're anti banning state. They clarified that the use of unmanned aircraft systems for fishing. Will fall under the federal airborne fall under prohibition under the federal airborne hunting act. They're saying this is not a new ban. But that's how they're going to interpret it going forward. It's a statute that's been around since 1956. They're saying you are not allowed in Texas. The way they're interested. They're not making a new law. They're clarifying how they interpret it. It's all to you if you're fishing with drones is all the same thing. They're saying Texas Parks and Wildlife Department is saying you can't use a drone for fishing. It's now become a thing to do and they're just reclareifying that. They didn't need to go past legislation specifically because they're saying it was already illegal. It was already illegal. We weren't interpreting it that we're interpreting it now just to clarify it everybody. You cannot take a drone and drop your bait out for sharks past the second sand by whatever you're up to. The last thing we're not going to spend any time on it but it is Texas. I want to hit it real quick. It's a real obvious one. So much suburban sprawling areas of Texas and urban areas that is creating a hog explosion around urban areas. It's the same thing you see with deer. Where it's like you make areas where you make more and more and more areas closed to hunting. And you get more and more landowners like well I don't want anybody to hunt but I should have won all these pigs running around. The last thing I wanted is some redneck hunting deer in my yard but I also want fishing game agency to come get all their damn deer out of here. It's a story that never stops repeating itself. Oh we have it. Ram it with deer right now. Get these deer out of here. Why don't you let a hunter out there. I'm not letting those rednecks on here. Get them out of my landscaping. We're out of time. Okay. You're doing you're involved in a habitat restoration project. Yes. Hit it clean hit it clean hit it quick. You need Kevin Murphy needs you. I need tree huggers tree planters, white borders, people that like to fish. We're going to plant 2000 Cypress trees. Oh yeah. You're ridden wakeboarders. I'll take anybody. I want to bring people together. Yeah. Get rid of wakeboarders. That end of the last thing. You have a pissed off fisherman and Gilridden wakeboarders down their fighting. So we got 2000 five foot Cypress trees that we're going to try to get get planted on the shore of Lake Marquely. I've been doing this project for six years. And during that six year time period, I've only been able to plant 2000. I've got my technique down good now where you got fishing game department. Kentucky fishing game park is going to come and help us. US Corps of Engineers going to donate some money to help us out. And it's going to be a great time. And what's your lifetime goal? You want to do how many miles of shoreline? I want to do 22 miles. The North shore of Lake Marquely, the shoreline of the Cumberland River. It takes a beating from the North wind in a winter time when the lake pool comes down. Summer pool is 360. Winter pool is 354. So we have this long mud flat in there that we used to be covered with button bush. Due to the Corps of Engineers changes the plan of the draw ground, it has flooded all the button bush back. So Cypress trees, they can tolerate water. They do not like all your crop they have to go on. Yes, all the cover, the crop, the habitat is gone. So my goal in life is to get this started, which already have. How many miles have you done so far? Probably about two miles. I've got another 20 to go, but I've upped it. I've learned how to do it. In the beginning we used some larger trees. It took bigger hoses. They didn't stand up very well. Now we use a slender. Like I said, it's a, I think a three year old tree. It'll be about as big around as your thumb. Like a whisk. And we want them high enough that they can take that water. Water elevation there. You have to get on top of it. The water is out of the water when it comes up. We have learned to stake them. We drive a wooden stake in the ground. We give them a fertilizer pellet. Time to the stake. And we flag them with a flagging tape. Do a real dense planting there. Maybe from this wall to this wall along the shoreline. So we have instant infrastructure for crop efficient in the springtime. It's just immediately there with the wooden, the hardwood stakes they last. And we did it for the first time that way last year. I was able to put in a huge amount of trees in a, in a short one side of Devon Port Bay. Is where we're going to be. We were on the east side last year. We're going to be on the west side this year. And then in those rocky areas, we only plant trees about every 10 steps or so. Because it's just too hard to do it. But we're going to have a continuous from edible fairy down to nickel branch. So how do volunteers find you? Just watch my Instagram. Tell everyone what it is. Kevin Murphy at Small Game Nation. If you want to help Kevin start planting Cypress trees to do habitat restoration. Get a hold of him and help him out. And here's a tribute one for him. What is the number one problem? Number one killer of Kevin Cypress trees. Wakeboarders. Wakeboarder. Recreation. No. Something we all love. Number one killer. Turkey. No. White Tell. He says they want to rub their antlers on them. They kill them all. He's got 40% survival from bucks coming out there and rubbing on them. You may think be or something. But the most detrimental thing is the little scrounty ass white tail buck. Once coming there and beat up on my side. Because they said they're real limber. So they kind of like because the trees. They look like a tough guy. Kevin you're a squirrel man. Dog man. And now you're a tree man. Tree man. Crapers man. Can you put tubes on them? I think that it wouldn't help. I don't know. We might try that this year. We went to a smaller tree. That was the larger trees that we had. Like almost, you know, inch and a half to inch. So we've used them the whipped trees now with the stakes. So hopefully they're dense enough that they'll stay out of it. Maybe like little landmines and poison fillets. But they're again. You know, I think they're going to be a little bit more dense. We don't have the brows and it'll be ill. Like we had it one. Just throw that out there. I'm going to get your piece of fruit cake here. I've got it all sliced. Oh, that's right. It's really cool, buddy. I have anything else today. We've been running hard. It had a great time with you guys as always. Dude, Kevin, give me a hand shake man every time. I learn a lot. I love you. Thanks, Kevin. I can't wait to get that. No, it's only a cat two decades under my age bracket. So I appreciate that. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. appreciate that. I can't wait to see what you do with that hog. Well, we're gonna make sausage. Just my tampon. I'm gonna take a small portion of it, grind it up, test it and see if it's gonna turn out. What? Yeah. I wish you good luck cooking your hog. I mainly wish you good luck getting your trees in, man. I know. I know. I know. To see you get that 22 miles done. That'd be cool before you die. Oh, when he dies, I get his hat. Yeah, that is true. That's cool. Where's that hat? All right, buddy. Thanks a lot. Let's go. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.