Daily Tech News Show

Don’t Believe the Ghost Murmur Hype

26 min
Apr 10, 20268 days ago
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Summary

The Daily Tech News Show covers Google's rollout of end-to-end encryption for Gmail on mobile devices, YouTube's price increases across premium tiers, and a critical analysis of the unverified 'Ghost Murmur' heartbeat detection technology allegedly developed by Lockheed Martin. The hosts discuss the implications of these developments for enterprise security, consumer subscriptions, and the dangers of unsubstantiated technology claims.

Insights
  • End-to-end encryption adoption in mainstream email is accelerating but remains enterprise-focused, requiring specific licensing and admin enablement rather than universal availability
  • Subscription price increases across streaming platforms are becoming normalized, with consumers accepting 15-27% hikes if perceived value justification exists
  • Unverified technology claims can gain credibility through partial truths and secrecy narratives, requiring scientific scrutiny to distinguish real capabilities from speculation
  • Removing AI branding from products (Microsoft's Notepad rebrand) suggests market saturation and potential consumer fatigue with AI marketing terminology
  • Data collection by autonomous vehicles creates secondary value through infrastructure intelligence sharing with mapping services and municipal governments
Trends
Enterprise security features trickling down to small business Google Workspace users, democratizing previously premium capabilitiesSubscription service price optimization through tiered offerings rather than across-the-board increases (OpenAI's ChatGPT Pro restructuring)AI feature rebranding and de-emphasis in UI as initial hype cycle matures and becomes table stakesAutonomous vehicle sensor data monetization beyond primary transportation functionGovernment digital sovereignty initiatives moving away from US-controlled platforms (France's Windows-to-Linux migration)Extended Reality (XR) platform consolidation around major chipset manufacturers (Qualcomm Snapdragon XR)Modular/upgradable hardware gaining market traction as consumer electronics sustainability concern growsNotification cache vulnerabilities in encrypted messaging apps creating forensic attack surface despite end-to-end encryptionSocial platform engagement decline driving content creators to reassess distribution strategy ROIData center infrastructure acceleration programs becoming competitive differentiators (Amazon Project Deni)
Companies
Google
Rolled out end-to-end encryption for Gmail on mobile (Android/iOS) for Google Workspace Enterprise Plus users
YouTube
Announced price increases for Premium ($13.99→$15.99), Family ($22.99→$26.99), and Music tiers effective immediately ...
Lockheed Martin
Allegedly developed Ghost Murmur heartbeat detection technology through Skunk Works program, claims remain unverified...
Microsoft
Removed Copilot branding from Notepad, renamed to 'Writing Tools', and removed AI mentions from settings menu
OpenAI
Reduced ChatGPT Pro plan price from $200 to $100/month with reduced usage limits, added new mid-tier option
Waymo
Announced partnership with Waze to share pothole detection data from autonomous taxis for map updates and city infras...
Framework
Announcing new upgradable modular laptop models on April 21st at 1:30 PM Eastern
Snap
Partnered with Qualcomm to co-develop Snapdragon XR features for Snap Specs smart glasses launching later in 2026
Qualcomm
Providing Snapdragon XR extended reality platform for Snap Specs smart glasses development partnership
Instagram
Enabling users to edit comments for up to 15 minutes after posting to fix typos and errors
Amazon
Developing Project Deni to accelerate and reduce costs of building new AWS data centers
Anthropic
Signed data center capacity deal with CoreWeave for infrastructure support
CoreWeave
Signed deals with both Meta and Anthropic to provide data center capacity for AI infrastructure
Meta
Signed data center capacity agreement with CoreWeave for infrastructure expansion
Signal
Messaging app vulnerable to forensic recovery of notifications from iPhone cache despite end-to-end encryption
X (Twitter)
Electronic Frontier Foundation ceased posting due to 97% decline in engagement compared to seven years ago
People
Tom Merritt
Primary host and narrator of the Daily Tech News Show episode
Jason Howell
Co-host discussing topics and providing analysis throughout the episode
Sarah Lane
Co-host participating in discussions and analysis
John Wickswo
Developed quantum magnetometry heartbeat detection method in 1970s, interviewed by Scientific American regarding Ghos...
Anthony Brown
Suggested solution for Microsoft developer account lockout verification issue via subreddit
Quotes
"Yay! Like no, no, no, I guess no hard feelings about it being a finally. Yeah. Just saying that we finally got it."
Jason Howell~12:00
"I've been using email since 1993 and I kind of just thought like, yeah, email will never be encrypted and just get used to it everybody. But this gives me hope that like, yeah, okay, we're really making progress on this email."
Tom Merritt~13:30
"There's a lot of fun, a lot of fun around this story. My best guess is that there's another technology at play here and they're trying to cause a fog of war situation by saying it's detecting heartbeats."
Tom Merritt~45:00
"I tend to be very, very skeptical of that because the amount of times that that scenario ends up being true is indistinguishable from zero."
Jason Howell~50:00
"It seems like there was a simple solution on Microsoft's end for this verification issue. If a developer account was locked out due to not having verification, give them a specific pop-up or redirect to submit a verification ticket."
Anthony Brown~75:00
Full Transcript
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And when I say we try, we're going to succeed today. I guarantee you, I'm Tom Merritt. I'm going to it now. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story. Rarely, rarely do we have something within the top three of both Google News and TechMeme. So this is one of those days. Google has rolled out end-to-end encryption on Gmail for mobile, both Android and iOS. Enterprise users will no longer need to use that finicky additional application to send an encrypted email on mobile. If your workplace gives you a Gmail E2EE license, you can send an encrypted message to anyone. Works easily between Gmail, but anybody else can use it too. We'll get to the caveat on that in a minute. So yeah, this is for business users. Your organization needs to have the Google Workspace Enterprise Plus plan and implement client-side encryption with the assured controls or assured controls plus add-on. So yeah, that's not something you're going to do on your regular old Gmail account. But if you've got Google Workspace in your small business even, you can do this. Admin's need to enable it for mobile in the CSE admin interface. It won't just be on. Before this CSE existed, they rolled it out last year, but it was only available on the web. So now it's available on mobile. If you qualify for all that and it's been turned on, you should see a lock icon that you can click on to turn on additional encryption when writing an email to turn it on for that message. It is additional because Gmail does have encryption, just not the end-to-end encryption. Encrypted messages sent from one Gmail recipient to another will just appear like a regular email. You won't have to do anything else. If you're not using the Gmail mobile app or have another email service that you're using to open that in the email, you'll have to open the encrypted email in a secure browser interface. But basically on any device you say, I want to open this, it'll open a browser interface and then you'll be able to get the key and decrypt it and read it there. My Inside encryption happens before it is sent to Google servers, meaning your confidential information cannot be seen by Google even though it's running through their servers. That is different than TLS Plus at Rest encryption, which is the default for all Google emails. Those aren't looked at by Google, but they could be, you know, because they're not end-to-end. Yay! Yeah, I don't know much else to say about this either than yay. It's going to make a lot of people's lives much easier because they'll be able to do on mobile what they would have had to do on their laptop or desktop or use some third-party application that their admins made them use to send encrypted stuff. But this is good for HIPAA compliance. It's good for all kinds of compliance, confidential information, all that kind of stuff. I guess I just want to say that I know yesterday we kind of talked about things that should be easier. Why aren't companies putting effort into doing this? Obviously, this is quite a bit different even though it feels like end-to-end is just everywhere now. It's not really, but it feels like people, especially like end users and non-techy folks are more like aware of end-in encryption. It feels like it's starting to become a table-stakesy, but it seems to be still a hard problem. And so yay! Like no, no, no, I guess no hard feelings about it being a finally. Yeah. Just saying that we finally got it. I'll be honest, I've been using email since 1993 and I kind of just thought like, yeah, email will never be encrypted and just get used to it everybody. But this gives me hope that like, yeah, okay, we're really making progress on this email. Email canon should be encrypted. I remember the first time I heard about using kind of like, what are some of the very popular end-to-end encryption like tools that people use? I see, obviously, I don't use them because I don't remember what they're called. And everything, that's a really great idea. And I don't, I'm not, I'll do it sooner rather than later. Exactly. Which was like never. It's like that new exercise plan. You'll get right on it. All right. Well, yeah, I guess, I guess that's it. Yay, thank you Google. And I guess like. Good stuff. And I know it's very enterprise-y. So a lot of you are like, wow, this doesn't help me on Gmail. But it is a good thing. And if you are even in a small business that use Google Workspace, I encourage you to turn it on. Yeah, we can all be just very thankful for the fact that, you know, if you need it, you can have it. And of course, we are very thankful for you guys, the listeners. So let's let us, DTNS, take time to thank Jim Hart, Mike Aikens, Norm Physicus, and Rohit Yu. 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YouTube last raised its prices for premium in July 2023. Is it still worth it? Yes, I think so. Yes. I don't think the price rise changes my opinion on it. Put it that way. For some people, it's not worth it. If you're like, I don't care about YouTube music. I don't mind the ads or I don't watch YouTube that much. Then yeah, you don't need this. For us, we have the family plan and we have Eileen's sister, myself and me on it. And it just keeps the ads away, especially for the nieces. It gives us the YouTube music thing, which I don't use that much, but it's kind of a nice to have. And definitely, I think I use the background listening and offline video downloads more than I ever thought I would. So going up $4 hurts $4 for the family plan is a lot. But everything's going up. Like everything, right? Not just subscription stuff, food and gas and all of it. So I'm not shocked that this is going up and I still think if it's valuable for you to have these features, that it is still valuable at that price. Yeah, very reasonable. I mean, it's been three years and 100%. I mean, I think sometimes it felt, it obviously felt kind of indulgent when I think YouTube premium first came out. I was like, why would I pay for YouTube? And then of course, I will go to a relative's house, but they do not have YouTube premium. And then we're getting interrupted every so often by ads. It's just like the stark difference in experience is, well, it's very stark. So I agree. I've used all of these things. I think honestly, background listening offline video downloads are like kind of like surprise winners and they have been increasingly for me. So yeah, same as these. I guess like if you're an individual plan, what's that like less than 20% somewhere between 10 and 20% raise. It's more like what 20, 27% maybe less than. So, but again, as you said, three years, do you do get quite a bit of value and everything's I would prefer they didn't raise it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not judging in my like, okay, I guess it's still worth it. And yeah, I use the offline video downloads for short plane flights. I'll just be like, oh yeah, give me, and it does the smart downloads. Sometimes the stuff I once already there. And it's, I get enough out of it that I'm like, all right, fine. For now. Keep an eye on you, YouTube, but okay, you're giving me value. And you're right. I think the other thing I always think of that I don't think everybody realizes a lot of you do, but not everybody does is that when you pay to remove advertising, you have to pay more than the advertising would be worth. Yes. And that is when you're selling advertising, what you want to be able to sell is a wide demographic of people that you can be like, yes, you will reach the exact customers you want. And when you have people pay to take out, you're usually taking out the wealthiest, most spendiest people by definition, right? If you can afford to spend $27 a month, then you obviously have some discretionary spending. And those are the people that the advertisers want to reach. So you've now made the base of your advertising populace less valuable. So you have to account for that when you do that sort of thing. So I guess if we can, we can pardon the phrasing, if you want to stick it to the man actually paying for paying for paying for prescription will give them less money. Yeah. Short of not using the service at all. Short of not using the service. The next best thing is to just pay for it. And then they, as he said, so surprise. Have you heard of the ghost murmur thing before to before today's show? I did not. Okay. Well, I had not either. So thanks to CW Bazden for pointing out this on our subreddit. Ghost murmur is reportedly an implementation of long range quantum magnetometry that the US claimed can detect and identify a human heartbeat from 40 miles away. Now the US says this is one of the things they used to help locate and rescue a downed US airman in Iran. A quantum magnetometer is a real thing. They didn't make this up. It measures quantum properties of magnetic fields produced by the heart muscle. The signals from the heart are barely detectable at the surface of the chest, which is about 10 centimeters away from the heart. And magnetic signals attenuate the farther away you get. That said, you can detect the magnetic field of the earth from orbit and use that to do some detection of surface stuff. So you can detect magnetic fields from far away. The one from the heart is a little harder to detect. The method of using it to detect the heart was first used by a professor of biomedical engineering and physics at Vanderbilt University by the name of John Wickswo. I first developed it back in the 1970s. Back then it was a cryogenic instrument that contained a lot of wire to shield the detector because you don't want interference from other heartbeats or other magnetic signals out there. And you had to cool the magnetometer to four degrees above absolute zero. So how did the US go from a bulky machine that needed to be right on top of your chest to being able to pick out a particular heartbeat among all the sheep from 40 miles away? Scientists don't know. Scientific American interviewed professor Wickswo himself and several other physicists. None of them knew of published work or developments in technology that would enable the detection of magnetic waves from a heart at the sensitivity needed to detect a heart at that distance. The existence of such a tool is reported from a source briefed on the program and a second source with knowledge of Lockheed Martin Intelligence Collection tools talking to the New York Post. Ghost murmur was reported by those sources to have been developed by Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works program, which is their secret technology program. The source said, and I quote, sensors built around microscopic defects in synthetic diamonds have apparently made it possible to detect these signals at dramatically greater distances. The capability is not omniscient. It works best in remote low clutter environments and requires significant processing time. That's a little bit of snake oil to be like diamonds because there's no actual, at least of the stuff I saw in the scientists that people have talked to. There's no work that says this is out there. Of course, when you're developing a conspiracy theory, you can say, oh, Lockheed Martin didn't secret. That's why you can't find any evidence of it. One of the sources also told the New York Post, I don't think people even know this technology is possible from this distance, which is another great way of when you're bringing up objections like, wait, is this possible to be like, see, that's what proves it's possible because they don't know it's possible. There's a lot of fun, a lot of fun around this story. My best guess, and someone put this in our subreddit thread, is that there's another technology at play here and they're trying to cause a fog of war situation by saying it's detecting heartbeats because then that makes people nervous like, well, what if they can detect heartbeats? Then they'll know where all of us are on the battlefield sort of situation. Maybe it's the airman actually had a thing that they called a heartbeat that would activate and be easily detectable from a distance if you knew to look for it, which is similar to what they actually said that he used for his beacon. So I don't know. I don't think this is possible. I think this story might not be true. It's just interesting the idea, and I suppose there's some strategy or tactics involved in regards to intelligence to create this wide smoke screen, just because obviously this was, understanding it greatly, this was a very important incident and the conclusion of that was obviously big news last week. So it's just interesting to put that frame on it of this is a very fancy smoke screen, the Wizard of Oz with the big green head and like, look, heartbeat detection and the actual specific workings are not necessarily less impressive, but like just different or just different in the back. I don't know. It's just fascinating. What a story is. It could happen. It would just need a big technological advance. And the reason you haven't heard of it is because secret thing, secret place did it. I tend to be very, very skeptical of that because the amount of times that that scenario ends up being true is indistinguishable from zero. Yeah, I was going to say when you said the 1970s like, huh, okay, so real long time. Yeah, it's like, it's a real technology, right? That's you want to salt the best lies with a little bit of truth, right? But the idea that this kind of science was done entirely in secret by Lockheed Martin is implausible. And I think it plays on people wanting it to be true, right? That that's an amazing story. If it were true. I saw the headline. I'm like, this is amazing. I can't wait to read the science about it. And then I started digging in and was like, oh, there is no science about it. I see. OK. In insert meme of the guy with the hair instead of saying aliens saying diamonds. The hands. Yeah. And I'm sure there is. I'm sure someone can say like, no, the diamond thing could work. I'm like, yes, it probably could work. 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France did say when or which distro though. Yeah. I've tempted to give you the email address of the open source department at France to be like, Hey, suggest your favorite distro. I don't want people to dox them or anything. But you can find it. It's easy to find. And so if you're like legitimately like, Oh, I think this would be a good one for them, you could look that up and send it to them. I'm curious when they are going to let us know the plan. Waymo and ways have announced a plan to send data on potholes detected by Waymo autonomous taxis to ways so that it can put them on the map, not only to alert human drivers using the ways app, but also to have a database that can be shared with cities and states so they can repair the potholes. Oh, yes, please. Well, framework will announce new models of its upgradable hardware on April 21st at 1 30 PM Eastern time. Oh yeah. Modular laptops. Framework makes good ones. Snap announced a partnership with Qualcomm to use its Snapdragon XR platform, that extended reality platform and co-developed features for the Snap specs. Those are the smart glasses from Snap set to launch later this year. Say Snap specs five times fast. No, I won't. All right. Well, thanks to Motang for posting on our subreddit about Microsoft's removal of co-pilot branding from Notepad and renaming the co-pilot menu to writing tools. Microsoft also removed mentions of AI in the settings menu and added an option to disable AI powered ready tools to the advanced feature section of settings. There has never been a co-pilot. What are you talking about? No such thing. We've always been at war with co-pilot. Open AI has reduced the price of its chat GPT pro plan from $200 to $100 a month, but reduced the usage limits to five times that of the plus plan. That's the $20 plan. You can still get 20 times the usage of the plus plan and continue to pay $200 a month. They just added a tier that's like, oh, you want the features like the news summaries and all of that, but you don't need all that usage. We'll give you a cheaper plan. Well, Instagram will let users edit their Instagram comments for up to 15 minutes after they post them. Oh my gosh, finally. Comments I've deleted and rewritten in the course of my Instagram life. Like just, yeah, yeah, it's not long enough to really mess with someone, but it is long enough for me to fix a typo. So thank you for that. Also, thanks to RW Nash for noting this one on the subreddit 404 media reports that the US FBI, uh, using something like Celebrite, we don't know exactly, but something with physical access to an iPhone was able to recover copies of incoming signal messages, not by breaking ended encryption, but, but looking for traces of them in the iPhone internal notification storage cash. Uh, so even when you dismiss a notification, it can persist for up to 30 days after deletion. So if this concerns you, you might want to set your signal notifications to no preview that way they're not stored in that cash. The electronic frontier foundation announced that it will no longer post on X in part because it's posts there get 3% of the views that it did seven years ago. Yeah. I'm seeing some people reacted to this like it's sour grapes, but EFS is like, no, we're still in Tik Tok and Facebook. This is not a ideological thing, but we just not reaching people there. So not worth the effort anymore. Hot on the heels of signing an agreement with meta core weave has signed a deal to provide data center capacity to anthropic as well. So a, uh, a good week for core weaves bottom line. I'll give you that. And Amazon is developing project to Dini meant to make it faster and less expensive to build new data centers for AWS. Oh, that would be a good thing. Uh, finally, South Korea's ministry of science announced a plan to provide free 400 kilobit per second mobile service. So not fast, but free to all subscribers in the country. So if you, if you run out of data on your plan, uh, all the, uh, major telecom operators are going to give you, uh, uh, safety net. It's like basic income, but for data, I love that basic income for data. Um, all right. Well, we end every episode of DTS with some shared perspectives today. Anthony thinks he knows what Microsoft should have done regarding the developer lockout we mentioned yesterday on 30. Yeah. Uh, this is very much in the veins of like, well, you know, if Microsoft had just done this and there's so many reasons why Microsoft might not have done this, but I thought it was a really, really good response. It's, uh, Anthony wrote, it seems like there was a simple solution on Microsoft's end for this verification issue. If a developer account was locked out due to not having verification, give them a specific pop-up or redirect to submit a verification ticket to verify from the outside. I don't see how this would be particularly difficult. And it would have kept Microsoft from having to deal with choosing, which developers were important enough to double check that they verified their account and it works as a longer term solution. If they kept it up for five years. Thank you, Anthony Brown. And that's me reading him saying thanks for the great show, Anthony Brown, but also me thanking Anthony Brown because that's a very good solution to this. Yeah. I, I, I just, no, that makes way too much sense. Anthony, which unfortunately is not something that necessarily developed software developers have. And I say that as part of the problem or complicit to the problem, I suppose. Um, yeah, I don't, I don't know why we don't spend more time on certain solutions like this. Often as I've, maybe if people have heard me talk about my developer life, uh, say exhaustively, sometimes ROI, which I know is like a crappy thing to say in terms of return on investment. But yeah, I mean, that just makes too much sense, which is basically, it's just makes too much sense. Well, I think what Anthony's pointing out is this isn't particularly time intensive. Yeah. I know everything is an item on a checklist and it's really easy to say, well, you could have just done that. And I, and I get that. Trust me, I have that problem in my own life where I'm like, yes, I could, but there's 30 other things I also can just do. Uh, but he's right. This, this wasn't a cost thing. Right. Yeah. I guess my, my only thing is that if I'm, if I'm understanding, right, um, Anthony, is that you're suggesting that this might be part of like a sign in flow where it detects that the account is locked and then sends you. My only thought is to be as someone who again has worked at a lot of big companies with identity solutions and stuff like that. Generally this, the login slash signup flow is a pretty, you know, obviously, maybe this is an understatement or something, a very sensitive piece. Of the puzzle. And, uh, having worked on, I think when I was at last scene, we went through some, a lot of identity stuff and the way things redirect and yada, yada. It is possible that it might actually be harder or more risky to put in something that is like a quality of life improvement like this. I think I just did it at ROI argument. Yeah. But it could be because there's not enough cases where it will be. Yeah. And so I can only say that maybe that's it just because I, just because login can just be a PITA sometimes. And that's just me just being maybe trying to be slightly empathetic about it. Yeah. No, I could see a manager reasonably saying we're not messing with the login authentication because that's how you introduce a vulnerability. There, there aren't enough edge cases to satisfy this. So that's not how we're going to manage it. Um, even though Anthony's suggestion is perfectly reasonable. No, it's good. And it, it is a way, and just to say that yours is, I think, in turn, if you want to frame it in this way, the best user experience. And in the sense, I would say like ethically or morally, however we can frame that in terms of software services is the right solution to, to provide that visibility. I 100% agree with you on that. So. Yeah. And I appreciate that, that kind of suggestion. We like getting this kind of stuff. Absolutely. And we want more of it. So if you have suggestions, thoughts, insights, please share it with us. Feedback at dailytechnooshow.com. Yeah. Big thanks to Anthony for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You're the folks who keep us in business. And if you are not a patron, it's real easy to become one. You can even become one for free and get some of the stuff. Patreon.com slash DTMS. 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