I’m kissing my friends with Corey Fogelmanis

You're gonna figure it out In your dreams Good night, Owen Thiel We have Corey Fultz-Oman is on the fucking podcast. Yes! I was supposed to do an intro and I always fuck it up. That's like my bit. It's not even a bit anymore. I'm just like, why do I always- What were you gonna do? I don't know. I was gonna say you're so talented and I watched I Wish You All the Best and I fucking cried three times. Corey had a screening in New York and I went because I'm friendly with Corey, of course, and also friendly with Tommy Dorfman who directed the film. Oh yeah. And so I went and I brought a friend of mine and my friend was like, what's the movie going to be like? And I didn't know what the movie was because we've never talked about it. So I was like, oh my God, I'm sure it's light and fun. My friend looked at me halfway through the movie, sobbing and was like, this isn't light or fun. She was like, this is really beautiful. She actually really like really deeply connected with it in a beautiful way. Yeah. She like found things out about herself. In kind of a life changing way perhaps you said? like definitely a life changing way. Oh my God. It was, it's, it's an, it's a beautiful film. That's so beautiful. Thank you. How do you feel about it? Well, I'm just so excited for people to see it. So when can people see it? So people can see it now. You can rent it on like Apple TV and Amazon. And then I'm sure it'll be streaming somewhere at some point if you don't want to pay for it. But I don't know when that's going to happen. I'm just going to be totally honest. It's a movie you should pay for. Well, because you might want to watch it again and again. Which you will. You're so unbelievable in it. How? Okay, now I'm an interviewer. All of a sudden I went into interviewer mode, but I just want to know. You said we weren't going to do questions. No, I know, but I just want to know these things as a friend, so now I'm just asking. You know me at dinner, I would be asking this. Of course, of course. Okay, you started acting when you were a child. I did. So how does it feel now? Does set feel normal to you? Because for me, I walk into set and I'm like, uh sorry where's craft like i don't know where anything is yeah i'm nervous to even ask questions are you like i'm a veteran this is easy um i feel like it really depends on the set the first day is always like so scary because i'm like i don't know anybody you know i don't know like what the vibe is going to be so it's like it's a process of warming up to it yeah but um yeah i do feel like i'm i'm fairly comfortable on a set and then it's like situations like that aren't a set where i'm like i actually don't know what i'm doing totally totally like a party put me in a party oh my god I feel like you do well in a party yeah well if I'm around friends you know totally but I feel the same last night I went to a party and I was like okay I'm gonna have to have a hundred shots now I literally was like I'll black out I'll black out no I get what you're saying but do you feel like do you feel most comfortable when you're acting I think so because there's like a freedom to just like let anything that I'm feeling exist and I'm not trying to fight it and it's like actually encouraged to experience everything you know so um i love it i love to just kind of brood and and let it all be okay do you feel like you like this role is definitely definitely brooding it's oh yeah it you definitely had to sit with your thoughts yeah how was that um it was weirdly easy i think that that was like a part of the character that i just kind of inherently had it wasn't something that i had to create or really even find. And I think it was a testament to Tommy's writing. I think that like... Tommy go off. She has a character who's like not okay all the time and is like effing up. I had so much fun just kind of like getting to be like a little mess. Is it a lot to take on a character like that though? Like I feel like my friend who I brought to the film had a very beautiful reaction to it and questioned part of her identity journey, which was amazing to watch this film and probably your performance like alter her brain. It was, it was amazing. It was a beautiful and she's like indebted to you for the rest of her life. But do you, is that, was that tricky to like, did that feel daunting? You know, it's like kind of double-edged. Like on one hand, I don't want to be thinking about. how it's going to be received and um because then because then i'm in my head and i'm seeing everything that i'm doing and uh on the other hand of course there's like a responsibility especially when you're dealing with like you know a life that people live that is very high stakes you know totally and there's so many versions of this story that people live that aren't as hopeful and part of the thing that i love so much about this movie was that in a lot of ways it kind of was like the best case scenario like fantasy version totally of this thing that can happen when you share yourself with uh people in your life and not being um you know received well and totally uh but it in so many ways it's like so beautiful and hopeful and um that's kind of like all i hope for people in this situation that like they can do this really really scary thing of being honest about who they are but yet you can find people who will love and accept you totally and finding this chosen family in the film is was so amazing to watch because you realize that yes this scary thing might happen and yes people might not say i welcome you with open arms but you find people who will yeah and it was it was amazing yeah the whole thing was beautiful and i you know i i worked with miles oh my god we auditioned together for on what for oh it was an audition we auditioned together how do i did you guys get it so so well i did this crazy thing so we are typecast as the same thing a lot so i'm constantly up against him and he's constantly winning literally every role i've there were three roles recently that i auditioned for and i didn't get and i was like who got it and they're like this man named miles with tiaras riley i'm like and i know him very well um congratulations miles uh him and i auditioned for something and we were in the room together. It was three black gay men staring at each other, being like having to go into the room, audition, come out, go into the room. Okay, so I finally was like, we got to break the silence. We got to fucking break this. So I looked at him and I said, let's just squash this beef. I said, let's just be friends. And he was like, he was like, what beef? Totally. I didn't know we had beef. Literally, he was like, I thought we were fine. I was like, okay, I made this super awkward. And then we hung after it. after after the audition we hung and we got drinks and like hung all night and he's so amazing oh my god wait that's so sweet it was really sweet it's like when hollywood isn't do you know what i mean yeah like you never go to drinks with people that you're like up against never do you audition still or are you offer only absolutely i audition still i feel like in my head you're completely oh my god no i yeah yeah that's that's good to know that makes me feel better but you know what I actually, uh, auditioning is really interesting. I do ultimately love it though, because I feel like the last thing I would want is to show up on the first day and them not know what they're getting. You know what I mean? A hundred. No, no, no, no, no. I need to audit. Actually, I just got chills. Yeah. Yeah. Because imagine me showing, they're like, he can't act. He can't get him off screen. He can't act. Oh my God. That would be horrible. The vetting process is very important to me. A hundred percent. Wait. I want to earn it. Did you just work with David Fincher? Yeah. Are you allowed to say that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is crazy. And do you audition for that? Absolutely. Absolutely. What was that audition process like? It was so secretive. Was it scary? No. So I actually didn't audition for him. I auditioned for his casting director, Leroy Mayfield. Wow. And they've worked together for like 40 years. You know everyone's name. You're always that. No. Listen. Every time I'm with you, you know, you're like, and that I met this amazing grip. John, Casquillano I'm like who? You just know every It's so nice It's so kind Okay keep going So I I worked with Loray Mayfield Of course And initially We did like mock sides So it was like What is that? Fake sides So it has nothing to do With the project Wait what? And they pick something That kind of Energetically Like the character Is similar I understand But so confusing So you have no context Did you know it was David Fincher? I knew it was for the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood sequel. Totally. It was unnamed. So crazy. At the time. And I knew it was for David. Yeah. And I just, I put it on tape and then I went to. Oh my God, you self-taped? Oh yeah. It was a mic drop. I'm so sorry. What? It was a self-tape. I'd never met David. Wait. Until after I had gotten it. Wait, I have a question. just because this is now my just being snoopy do you have a self-tape like thing in your house i do but it's so bad i don't know i don't even have a white wall to do it do you do it against like a thing that you pulled no but i actually have been meaning to get one of those no i don't can i be honest let's not let's not let's skip that it's like here's the thing oh and other people are doing everyone's everyone's doing it so the reason i don't get rolls is because they're like um why are you against this loud garage you know what i mean they're like are you outside yeah what is this i don't know do you do you shoot with natural light no do you no but i feel like it's probably better i heard that it's definitely better somewhere once it's definitely better okay wait keep going so you audition for this you put yourself on tape which is crazy you know every time i put myself on tape i facetune it oh my god that's amazing oh my god you do want people to know that that's totally fine okay i mean i think they'll be upset you're kind of you're beautiful your skin is beautiful though like what do you face it's kind of like when you know we were just talking about this when you get offer only and then you get to set and then they're like oh my god he can't act what am i getting yeah that's me but with facetune so they're like he doesn't look like that in the tape yeah it's amazing i make myself a different color honestly well i make myself look gorgeous i suddenly i'm like a totally different human that's That's so funny. Do you think you could like lend me your account? Do you pay for it? Because every once in a while, like I do want to like do something to a photo, but then it's like behind a huge paywall. Corey, what? You just have to pay for it, dude. You got to do it. No, can I be honest? Don't facetune anything. Look at you. OK, if I facetune to look like you, I'm literally facetuning to look like you. OK, so you did a self tape. and there's just there is one aspect of it that i do think is interesting because i taped it with my friend sammy and i went away from it i like went and did something that night and then i was talking to her about it like at this thing that we were at and i was like i don't think we got it and i was like they wanted it the next morning and i was like i'm sorry like i'm i think i'm gonna have to redo it and i was like i really don't want to because it was just we were gonna have to wake up early and squeeze it in but i was like something about it just feels like it's worth the effort and i was like this movie would change my life and it's worth it's worth putting in that time a hundred percent you know losing an extra hour of sleep why did you think what you just had a gut feeling yeah it's just sometimes you finish a session of taping and you're like it's not it doesn't feel right what what's going on for you right now because that's every time for me i'm yeah no everything i'm realizing why i'm not getting things every time i don't feel quite right okay keep going keep going and you said to sammy we got to redo this i was like i think we have to redo it it's gonna be worth it and um we did it the next day and uh it just had kind of like sunk in a little bit more i don't remember right now exactly what was different but we sent in both and um they i didn't hear anything for like maybe it was like two or three weeks i would throw up everywhere at that point you just forget you're just like it's not gonna happen and then i heard that i was gonna do a zoom work session with larae and we got on a call we zoomed for like 30 minutes she was like we were like in the trenches together like i really had this sense that like she wanted to help me find it she was like giving me really direct notes she was like it was it felt like we were doing it together which you don't always feel totally um i felt that a lot more like pre-covid when we were like in the room a lot totally but now we can't be in the room and now it's all over zoom and now what the hell is happening now you don't even know someone's face yeah you never like meet these cast directors now of course of course so this was really rare and then i once like once again it was like a two or three week maybe it was it was like a month and i didn't hear anything and then i was just hanging out in new york one day where were you i was on my boyfriend's couch oh my god and um we were we had just gone to lifeboat by alfred hitchcock wait what is lifeboat they were doing like an alfred hitchcock retrospective at the paris theater oh my god you guys are so cultured get out of this room get out get out of this house get out of this house you're at lifeboat at the paris theater a retrospective for Alfred Hitchcock. And I don't know if I've ever seen a Hitchcock film. Oh, really? No, that's bad to say. Rear Window. Name another. Vertigo. Name another. The Birds. Yes. Yes. The Birds. And the Birds all come down and eat people. Yes. So, yeah, I got a call out of the blue and I couldn't believe it. And I was so excited. So you got, who called you? It was my agent and my manager. Were they like, this is insane? yeah they were just kind of like well we got it and at that point you let it go because it's just like a month goes by and you were like got what i was like yeah i saw i saw real window already yeah um i just couldn't believe it oh my and then you've already shot it yeah i have one more day but we had the rap party last night and it was like a whole out like studio 54 like disco party like everyone was dancing it was crazy so who else is in this film are you allowed to tell us I can tell you Brad Pitt's in it because he's reprising his role of Cliff Booth. Did you act with him? I'm like, I don't know what I can say. But yeah. Oh, yeah. There's there's photos of it. Yeah. I have absolute chills. Yeah. Is he so hot? I mean, he's so charming. He's like such a cowboy. He's like so cool. And like I have chills. I noticed the other day, like there's this like this openness he has where it's like he's not like. he's not in his own world like he's in the room with the crew totally so it's like people are talking and he's like reacting to it and i just i really admire that wow he's just such a friend to everyone so amazing yeah we were just talking about you feeling like okay on a set yeah was that a set that you were like i'm freaking out to be here there were some days yeah it's like depended on the day but like david is so friendly and like you know you hear a lot about his process and how like particular he is and how he knows exactly what he wants and he'll have you do it until he gets what he wants and i feel like that could be scary but he's like he's so fun he's so playful it's it's fun totally and i think like part of that is like we have time like we're doing like a page or two a day that's it yeah this is amazing that's amazing i mean how long do you shoot this for months well they're doing yeah they're doing like five months yeah congratulations to David Fincher for having the money and the time to do this Congratulations to all the crew That is a gift It is a gift That is a gift because you can you as an actor too have time You don have you don feel rushed You don feel rushed into a performance You know what I mean You can actually get there which is so amazing. That's amazing. And I was talking to him about it the other day. We were shooting stuff on a soundstage and I was saying like, oh, I went off and like did this other thing in the interim. It's so funny. I started the movie back in August, went and shot season three of Walter boys, wrapped season three of that came back to the movie they're still going i'm dead i'm dead we shot 10 episodes you shot an entire season yeah it's crazy but i was telling him i was like yeah on that show we're doing like eight pages a day because we just don't we can't do anything less christ that's insane and um you know it's you just don't get to explore it as much like you really have to like do the work at home so that you show up and you're like you know you get it in the two or three or four takes that they give you. Totally. Yeah. So that's insane. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. Look at this. Why does this come out? So I don't know. You don't know. I don't know. Well, also, I feel like David Fincher is like, it's dropping tomorrow or it's like dropping in five years. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. We'll be in 2028. You'll be like, where's the film? Yeah. Or it's literally tomorrow. Yeah. I'm so proud of you. That's insane. How do you feel about Disney Channel? how was that experience for you? I always wanted to be on it. Look at my wall obviously. I mean damn yeah. A lot of Disney girls up here. I mean these are my Disney queens. Okay how was it? It was you know what it feels like a different life. Well you've lived 42,000 lives. It feels like there's a lot of it that I just don't think about very often. But like it was amazing. I mean I learned so much. I made some lifelong friends. um savvy up here she's got a lot of representation on this wall come on she's everywhere no she's everywhere it's really it's she would be scared to know that she would be like what the hell's happening in that bed um look and she's here on this blanket oh my god blanket i love that photo of her it's so hot um congrats so was it you you were on a show obviously so you went every single day yeah to the show yeah and was it in did it feel intense or did it feel like life like were Did you have outside friends? I cried all the time. Totally. Yeah. More so in like season one because we were so young. We were babies. We were like 13 when we shot that pilot. Jesus Christ. And then we were 14 during season one. And so it was like all of our high school years. It was 14 to 17. We did three seasons. We did 72 episodes in like four years basically. And yeah, we would go for eight months. That's crazy. It was crazy. and were you did you guys feel in it together or were you like oh like i where are my real like i mean obviously sabrina became one of your best friends yeah on the planet it definitely ebbed and flowed like season two we did 30 episodes and so we spent like 11 months together pretty much so by the end of it we were all like bye totally totally bye you guys and we also knew we were doing a season three so we weren't sad totally totally but um see you in a week we were like bye Yeah, but yeah, it ebbed and flowed for sure. We went through so much together. It was so fun. We did live tapings once a week. So it was just kind of like- Oh, all the rest weren't live? What do you mean? Wait, what do you mean by live tapings? So we would shoot for two days. So the sitcom schedule is we rehearse for three days, shoot for two. I'm hearing you. I'm understanding. We would do like a block shoot on our Monday and then Tuesday we would shoot a little bit in the morning and then do a live taping that night. Got it. and it wasn't like live but it was like live for an audience yes yes yes and um that's so fun it was fun like we would meet the we wouldn't like meet the audience after and they would pair us up with people and people would just i was like looking through stuff the other day and i had seen this thing that like someone had said like it was me and sabrina like meeting people and someone came up to us and was like we hope you guys get to grow up and get married on the show and it was just kind of like to have access to like the people who are watching our show and like hear directly from them totally was so unhinged like that's crazy they could just come and say whatever they wanted to us that's crazy and they did and they did and um but yeah it was i wouldn't do it any other way but i you know i didn't go to high school so it was like there's parts of me where i do wonder like what would it have been like if i you know was in clubs and like went you know was just kind of like a part of a kid yeah was a kid you were homeschooled yeah it was like we did it on set. So it was, we had like a studio teacher and... But do you read a lot in life? Are you a reader? You're so well-spoken and so smart. Also adds and flows, but I do really like to read. But you're such a student. Like you feel like a student. Yeah, I do feel like a student. Wow. I have so much to learn. You have so much. So do I, my love. But I won't learn it. I'm not going to learn it. I get really... I hate school. I hated school. Yeah, I don't think you missed anything. Really? But also, maybe I'm wrong. Why did you hate it? Was it just like annoying people or? I see. I loved my three best friends. Like set to me sounds so fun because you have your three best friends. You're working with them. Then you go into school and then you work with them again. You see them. You only see them. Like I didn't like the rest of the people at school. Oh yeah. Do you know what I mean? I liked like Zoe and Nicole. Those are my best friends. And then everyone else I was like, bye. Yeah. So I don't know. There's, I feel like you're not like the parties and proms. And did you have, do you go to prom? I did do a prom. Yes. Where? The Peterson Automobile Museum. Wait, obsessed. Who went? It was me, my boyfriend at the time. When was this? This was 2017. Wow. I think 2016 or 2017. When did you come out? It was weird. I didn't really come out. I was just kind of like, I like met this kid and I was like, oh, I'm drawn to you. And I was like, oh my God, we're going to go on a date. And then I like told my mom, I was like, yeah, I have a boyfriend. and your mom was like delish yeah i actually remember at the time i didn't tell her right away i told my dad before because my mom and i were like sort of we weren't like beefing at the time but like we were just like we were on each other's nerves i don't remember like what it was and i just remembered i was like this is like i don't want this to be colored by like this moment that we're in totally but she knew like she had seen a picture of us we like went to knott's berry farm and she was like oh yeah i knew like and i was like how did you know and she was like the body language like the way you guys were standing next to each other and i was like oh my god moms know everything moms know isn't that scary yeah moms i might want to cut this story but when i told my mom that i was gay i was like i'm dating robbie okay and my mom didn't say like oh my god a guy or what she was like i just don't like his pants that was my coming out story it's not um romantic no but yours sounds a little romantic yeah it was romantic i liked that it wasn't yeah it wasn't really a big deal totally and i loved that it was just kind of like we're so lucky for that realizing something about yourself and yeah um yeah i you know it wasn't i wasn't sure like how open I was going to be about it but at the same time I also knew that I never wanted to like feel like I had to hide something yeah totally and my dad at the time and I don't know if he would be mad that I said this but he was like he had this very like old Hollywood mindset he's not in the industry at all so I don't know where he got this but he was like what if this affects your career like what if by the way speak on no I I I think that my I I couldn't hide it I am so gay look at me but my parents were kind of the same way where they were like in the nicest way they were like you can tell everyone you don't have to tell anyone like whatever you want to do yeah and what did you say back to your dad when he said well he was like what if you don't get roles and i was like well those aren't people that i want to work with like those aren't producers that i want to work with on that but it's like speak on that you know i've realized this over the years like you can't deny a part of yourself and then go into your work environment and like then speak the truth as your character like if you're if you're closing off an entire part of yourself and that's been something that i've been thinking about lately like i don't want to play characters who are you know i don't want to like just play gay characters yeah because there's so many different sides of me and of course um but i'm i've been thinking about a lot with like you know more feminine aspects of me and like how i find a way to make those like to not deny them but like lean into like masculinity and stuff like that. And I don't quite know what the answer is, but like, I think it's in the direction of not denying anything. You are so good at talking. It's really crazy. Like clip that whole thing and put that on the internet. That was so beautiful. And exactly what I don't want to work with people that don't like parts of who I am. And also of course in a role straight or not me playing a straight role, jump scare. I would love to see it. A basketball player? Me on the court? You got the height? Well, of course. But still, let's just say I could do that. I can't, but let's just say I could. I don't want to. There's also beautiful feminine parts of that character and of that person. And I'm so lucky that I get to bring that part to that character. And then I have to find the more masculine parts and search for it. But yeah, I agree. I think like there's characters are complex. Like why, why are we closing ourselves off to these certain types of characters? And by the way, you, you are so complex as a person. You will, you're not never going to be typecasted. You're an actor. You're a fantastic actor. Thank you. It's true. It's true. Is I wish you all the best, the most different character you've ever played? In a way, but in a way it's also like the most of me that I've ever seen in a part. Totally. But also at the same time, like I just grow and change. Like 10 years ago, I never would have admitted this. There's a lot of me in Farkel from Girl Meets World. Like they wrote it that way for a reason. Totally. Hey, guys. Don't want to admit. Didn't want to admit that. Did you not? Were you afraid of that? At the time I was like, well, you know what was so crazy about that was it was like that was the first bit of self-awareness I had. Like part of like that show coming out, I did not perceive myself. Like I had no idea how I was showing up in the world. I was just moving through the world, you know, wearing my Matilda, the musical shirt, like amazing, just like derping out, honestly. Totally. And I the show came out and then there was suddenly like all these people talking about me as the character, but they didn't know me. So they thought that I was the character. And I really had an issue with that because I was like, well, this is a heightened version of me, perhaps. and um yeah i for the longest time i was like really held at arm's length totally um and now looking back on it it was an amazing opportunity to play and like to have like a character that is so zany and like crazy yeah is like a dream yeah and i don't think i really appreciated it at the end because i was so embarrassed maybe or something if somebody calls you farkle still i shut it down you shut it down i i um i make the distinction between like the fact that it was a character totally like i'll say i'll say like my name's cory you know but i'm like yeah of course i i did play the character totally but i'm not but i'm not that i am not farkle but i play farkle yeah how great yeah yeah um but i do think there's like in most of the jobs that i've done like there is a big part of me in those you have to put yourselves into the role and the only characters i've ever played are me well that's because i'm a bad actor and i can't quite distinguish No, but you have to, of course. What's the craziest thing that has happened to you on set? It can be Girl Meets World. It can be that era of your life or this more recent one. Craziest thing that happened to me on set? Is there a crazy story? I don't remember anything that's ever happened to me. See, I know. No, no, no. When you're asked that, your life flashes before your eyes. I'm like, uh. You're like, what the hell is set? You're like, have I been on that? I know I know that's probably a bad question No I mean if I had an answer To it it would have been a great question That would have been a great question Owen don't stop asking that question See I have to keep asking that question You're going to be in bed tonight and you're going to be like Craziest thing And if I think of it can we do like a little like Zoom Addendum While we're doing an addendum Okay Can I ask you some questions that you might not want to answer But we can cut Have you ever been on a dating app? I have Which one? Raya No! No I can't get on Raya Really? They won't allow me What the fuck? I've tried even in my relationship with Jared I'm like Jared What are you doing? I go can I just try this? Can I just please try I just need to know that I can get on it I need to know I won't get on I'm still on the wait list Still Okay so what you were saying earlier about not missing anything I'm not missing anything? You're not missing anything Really? It is freaky on there You know what it is? it's like it links to instagram totally that's too much why because you know people are then looking at your instagram and then you're like are they adding me what why are they why are they adding me totally you know what i mean totally they're like oh now they know who i am now they can see my followers now they can see who i follow it's just too much wait i was on it for a very short time how long like a month i mean i don't know how long i think i met up with two people that's great yeah were they scary or nice um one was scary one was very nice oh friends still yeah beautiful yeah so actually imagine they're here yeah i mean you know what is kind of fun and maybe other dating apps do this that i don't know but like you can like add music and you can create like a little scroll and totally you're like you can curate your life you can curate your life it's great that's beautiful what about you i mean i guess like you were kind of in a long-term relationship i've been in a 10-year relationship before like how long have dating laps been around yeah i've i've been dating jared before social media happened since before the iphone yeah it's crazy we actually had a flip phone and then we switched to psychic um no i but i do have this over here how crazy is this this does this remind you of anything this blackberry oh yeah blackberry no i never had one mom did it's the best it was the best i used to bbm everyone in class um What is BBM? BBM? Is that what it's called? BBM? Is that what it's called? I don't know BBL. Wait what is BBM? No BBL I touched a BBL last night How'd it feel? Gorgeous I now know what Plastic feels like Yeah I was gonna say You can tell that there's like something in there Oh 100% but it was like It was kind of hot. Congrats Yeah What makes you happy? What's your love language? I don't know. It's different all the time. I would say like physical touch. Totally. Not mine. No, but keep going. Physical touch. Actually mine. Yeah. Acts of service, but not necessarily in like someone doing something for me, but like doing something with me. You like quality time. Quality time. I like help. Totally. I like when someone helps me. I'm dead. You're like, and I like being helped. I'm actually dead. I mean, yeah, probably those two things. What your dream day or date It doesn have to be romantic Just like what like My dream day is like being able to wake up when I want to but not too late So what time So like nine or ten Actually, nine is too early. Ten. Ten lately these days. Great. Go to breakfast. I want to go to a diner. Really? I want to get like. What are you getting? Cup of Joe. Greasy eggs. Hash browns. Yum. Turkey bacon. Hot sauce. You eat me? I eat like white meat Why did I feel like you don't eat meat? Were you a vegetarian ever? I was a vegetarian but not in the time that I've known you How long have I known you? At least two or three years It's crazy, it feels like a lifetime And you know what I'm realizing? This is the longest we've ever spoken one on one Because we've always kind of just like been in a group You know Does it feel good or do you hate it? I love it, I kind of want it to never end Just be honest Do you hate this? I love this Okay wait So keep going So you want to go to a diner I want to go to a diner And then I want to go on a walk You don't get like a split French toast? Oh I would love to do that Okay The thing is I get nervous I've been loving Oh that I don't want that? I just want If I If we ever went to a diner Now that we can speak one on one Yeah Now that we know that we can do it Now that we know that we can be in a room together I would love to split pancakes with you Or French toast It's the only way to do it Because if you're just getting a sweet then it's like what is what is the foundation where's nutrient where where's the nutrients hey where's my nutrients where's my protein no absolutely okay yeah um have you been to um the griddle cafe of course it's okay it's you don't like it no i love it it's amazing but i went there alone when i was here a couple weeks ago and i had to get giant pancake giant like something scramble and i was so full but i was alone you had to do it i had to do it wait there's the best diner ever. It's called Jono Groats. Jono Groats. You guys, I have chills thinking about this. I just said you guys to basically you. It's so good. It is so good. And you sit at the bar and you split pancakes and you have your own little thing. The coffee is so bad, but it's amazing. Like acidic? It burns your insides. It comes straight through. You shit yourself in the chair. It's like you need to go Is this in LA? I will be going I'm not really here You're New York You like New York? I do like it and I'm liking it more and more I think because I'm finding A way to make it work Like to do it Subway? Oh absolutely Bike I'm going to be honest that's dangerous I know it's so dangerous I never feel more alive than when I'm biking in the city. That's very I wish you all the best. I know. That's very I wish you all the best. It is very I wish you all the best but very different levels of danger. Of course. It's snowing right now in New York? I don't know. I think it is. How long are you in LA for? I'm here until I'm here for like another week. And then New York. And then no I'm going to my dad's house for Christmas. Oh I forgot we have Christmas. So what will you do for Christmas? So my dad lives in a tiny little town I'm like I don't know what we're going to do Honestly but I really want to cut down a Christmas tree You want to cut it down? Yeah because I'm going out there My sister's going to come join us but like two or three days after I want to do a puzzle with my dad I have a puzzle It's a thousand pieces Corey and I went on a trip last year together And Corey started a puzzle And finished a puzzle Within the three days I was there It was a really hard one And every time I come out of my room, you would be doing this puzzle. I know. And I was like, hey. I was like, hey, do you want to join? I was like, I can't be there in a second. Literally. Why? What does it bring up for you? Because we're crying. Because it feels deeper. Well, it's super deep. Like it's not about just the puzzle. I'm really, no, I'm going to be honest. I'm really bad at things that I have to do with my hands. It's something that I've always been like painting. I'm really bad at. My friends used to make friendship bracelets. I would be like, I can't, I'm not, I'm not good with my hands. So I think looking at a puzzle and like thinking of picking up a piece, I'm like, oh my God, it's trauma. So you're just really, do you think maybe you're, there's a lot of weight on like the expectation that it's going to, that you're going to be like really quick with it or like. Okay. We have Brene Brown and Mel Robbins in the podcast with me. Do you think? I definitely think, I definitely think. Yeah. Well, I'm also not, I with a puzzle especially I'm like shouldn't the piece go anywhere you want I'm like why does the piece have to fit perfect I'm like trying to squeeze the piece into another piece I just don't let it I can never find it it's not fun for me it's frustrating and I definitely will get frustrated and then I would take a break but you also I'm learning which is such a beautiful quality and I actually need to learn more of you actually are okay with you're not searching for the outcome necessarily you're like having fun in the interim yeah sometimes yeah I'm really not but it's a great quality I feel like it's nice to yeah but at the same time when I'm learning something and I'm not good at something right away ooh I'm rage pretty I've been trying to learn guitar for five years now and I just I lock in for like a couple of weeks like on Walter Boys whenever I have a scene coming up I'm like oh shit gotta pick up that guitar again re-get all the calluses the second i'm done i'm like because a bar chord like i can't play a bar chord bar chord and i think it's because there's like a lot of space between the strings and the neck of my guitar and my dad's i don't even know what a bar my dad's been telling it's like when you hold down all the strings with one finger it's like the capo yeah it's like a capo but like with your hand yeah and my dad's telling me i need to get it restringed and i just haven't been doing it but um yeah kind of tangential no i love it okay so you're what are you gonna do in So you're going to do a puzzle with your dad. I'm going to do a puzzle with my dad. I'm putting together, like I'm curating some movies that I want to watch with him. Like what? One battle after another is on the list. You've never seen it? I have seen it, but I just feel like he needs to see it. Avatar, the new Avatar. We might have to go back and do the other two. Wait, the newest one that's coming out? Fire and Ash. Is that coming out right now? Yeah, it's coming out Christmas time. I have to see it. I loved Avatar. I love Avatar. It's amazing. You should be an Avatar. there's two more happening so we'll see would you do it with me no I can't be blue no you don't have to be blue it's motion capture oh yeah oh you're right haven't you seen the BTS of Zoe of course the freedom of not like having to go through hair and makeup and just kind of like exist in this 3D world fine I'll do it just because you said that and just because it would be with you I do it. You know what? Fine. Twist my arm. I'll do Avatar. I'm literally delusional. That would be so fun. That would be so much fun. And I also want to watch the new Jurassic World. Because my sister and I really love those movies. A friend of mine is in that. Oh yeah. Luna Blaze. Oh my God. She's amazing. I cannot wait. She's so hot. Congrats. I can't wait. Oh, you know what else I want to do with him? I want to cut down a Christmas tree. Yeah. I can't believe that. How do you do that? It's so dangerous. So you go, you have to like get a saw, but I asked him, I was like, do you think we could do this? I like texted in the group chat with him and my sister. And he said, no, period. Like instantly. And I was like, you're not even going to entertain the idea. But then he like came around. He's like, well, look. I think it's really hard to do that. It is hard because it's like falls. Oh my God. I just thought of Dear Evan Hansen. What a tree in the forest. What's that song? You're falling in a forest and there's no one around. Oh my God. Such a beautiful song. Congrats. Congrats, Ben Black. so it falls and then you have to pick it up how do you do that? you can't do that why not? I can barely pick up this paper you just did a great job sometimes sometimes I didn't this morning I almost did but then I was like no wait tell me about Walter boys what is there to say? I love being a part of a big family because I have one sister and we do these scenes on the show where they're kind of like synonymous with the show now I feel like where we do these breakfast scenes and everyone's like talking over each other and there's like people making toast and like throwing stuff it's just it feels like we're doing like a mini play like just everything overlapping and that's really special very? not very but like but like yeah totally because we've been doing the show for three years now so it's like there's like a familiarity. Will you keep going? I don't know what the plan is after season three. Wow. That's kind of exciting. It is kind of exciting. Scary. I mean it's scary to like you know have space like I'm looking at my year next year and I have no idea what I'm going to do. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. To find the next thing. No I love that. I love when like I don't think we should well no. I'm going to take that back. I think it's amazing when there's a series or a show or a movie that goes on for 10 years. I think that's such a beautiful thing and you get so close with your cast. But I also think so beautiful when something ends and then you get to fly free. It's so amazing. And I think that kind of goes back to what my dream day is. It's like not having too much prescribed. Wait, you didn't finish. So you went to a diner. Go to a diner and then maybe take a walk after. I'm so sorry. It's this podcast. Everyone's like, hey Owen, we couldn't follow anything. And I'm like, hey, that's your problem. I'm like, that's not, what am I going to do? Take an Adderall? No. Try that. Doesn't work. No. Keep going. I feel like I just, I actually kind of like to see where the day takes me. I would love to go to a movie. Totally. Night movie or day movie? Do you like to walk outside after you're out of a movie and still see light? Or do you like it to be dark? I don't know if I have an answer to that. I feel like I'm fine with both. I'm kind of like whenever the screening is, whenever I can fit it into my day. Totally. it can be disorienting to like walk out and have it still be light or go in when it's light and then you come out and it's dark that to me is like I can't do that like I'll see an 11am movie and then leave at 1pm or 2pm and you're like oh it's still I still have the day but it's weird to walk in at 4 and walk out at 7 and you're like what? wait so have you ever done like a 10am? or like an 11am? no I love that really? yeah because it's like it's the first thing you do in the morning and I think like there's just kind of like a space that you have in your brain to like take it in so yeah maybe you should try that sometime I'll do it with you okay let's do a double date movie 10 a.m okay let's do it I would love that okay have you ever in your life done something that you regret yes really like something you can talk about um i'm like i don't know if i've ever talked about this when i was in elementary school um i learned a really big lesson um you're like i killed someone and i know no i learned a lesson about like going along with things and like not like putting your foot down so this kid left his lunch box at the lunch tables and there were a couple of other kids i'm obsessed with there were a couple of other kids who were like oh my god this kid left his lunchbox like let's look in it and see what's in there so they open it up and i was there and i didn't say anything and they pulled out a bag of i think it was doritos and they were like well he's not here like we can just eat the chips and um i didn't say i didn't say like you guys like we shouldn't do this this isn't ours and we got we all got in trouble like i got punished. I went to the principal's office. My teacher, my third grade teacher, Mrs. Weber was like, I'm very disappointed in you. And, um, I had to like buy him, like I had to go home and like buy him chips and apologize. You had to buy him an unlimited supply of Doritos. It's still going to his house. Yeah. That's a, and, but, but, and you've just regret not being like, you guys, let's not do this. Yeah. It was like, it was like, yeah, I went along with it. I don't know. It was so long ago at this point. I don't know if I was like shy or I just was like, well, it's not my problem. I feel like that's a big thing, especially like living in New York. I feel like there's like crowds of people. And like at a certain point, like everyone's like, oh, well someone else will like handle this. You're speaking a hundred percent. But then, but then nobody ends up doing anything. And that's speaking very generally. Of course I see people like stepping in all the time, but like, I feel like that happens. And then that was something that I learned. So now you speak up. Now I speak up. You have to sometimes. You're like, well, it's so scary to speak up. it's terrifying. It's really scary. It's not, it's, but we have to do it. Us teaching the youth. We have to do it. We have to. Have you ever been in a musical? I've done a lot of musicals on stage. Do you, would you, is that a dream for you? Absolutely. Broadway? Yeah. What's your dream musical? Yeah. Um, well I have a couple. My favorite of all time is probably Pippin. The, the corner of the sky. I have chills. Yeah. That's the best. It's so fucking good. Would you be Pippin? I think so. Yeah, of course. I would love to. I would love to do that. I would love to do, I think my favorite like contemporary musical is Hadestown. So good. So beautiful. So good. Anais Mitchell is just like so, I just love everything she does. And what else? Oh, I also really love, speaking of Pesek and Paul, who did Dear Evan Hansen. Totally. Dogfight. I've never seen it. I don't know that I would, I don't know that I would do that, but it's so good. I've never seen it. You gotta listen to the soundtrack. I have to watch it and see it. How do I see it? It's not on Broadway. It was, yeah, it was like 2014. Can they bring it back? I think they could definitely bring it back. Let's bring it, let's start a petition. Okay. Who right now are you listening to? Who are your pop girls? Do you listen to pop? What kind of music do you listen to? I listen to lots of music. I'm listening to, oh my God, I'm listening to the new Demi Lovato album. Wait, I have to get into it. Oh my God. I have to dive in. I've always loved her. I mean her voice, I've always loved her and she's like explored a bunch of genres recently, but like her going back to pop is like, it's so, it's so working for me. I have to, I really love her. I have to listen to it. Um, so I'm listening to that. I'm listening to the Gigi Perez album that, that has sailor song on it, but like there's so many other songs on there that are amazing. Um, my friend Diana Silvers put out like a folky album. I literally just saw Diana last night. Really? I was just at this party. I was just at this party and I walked up to her and we were talking and I looked at her and I, I, I, she was talking to me and she's so pretty that I just zoned out and I was drunk. So I zoned out and then I said, I'm so sorry. I didn't, I missed everything you said. You're stunning. And then she was like, totally. Thank you so much. Do you want me to re-say it? I was like, yes. You're going to have to re-say everything you just said. She's so nice. She's lovely. So she put out a folk album. Yeah. She, yeah. She played the Newport, um, folk festival. I think that's what it's called. Did you go? I didn't go. I don't remember where I was, but I was just like, that is so cool. And she was on tour with John Batiste. I saw that. Yeah. That's sick. Really love that album. And then Man Best Friend obviously I on Apple Music and you can like pin albums So I like visualizing it right now like what i pinning oh i just saw erica badu um in brooklyn um so i been listening to mama gun a bunch it like i it's so far i saw erica yesterday at the grove oh my god oh my god i freaked out oh my god what was she wearing the she's the coolest person she's so cool she was wearing a lot of long like she was wearing a skirt i think she was wearing two skirts on top yeah layers she's like late yeah yeah she came on stage and she like was wearing so many layers and like over the course of the show she was like taking stuff off sick i love her she's unbelievable she is so one of a kind she is she's also an amazing performer yeah was she super late she's supposed to be she's yeah she was really she's known to be very late we the dj set like was getting everyone like really hype hyped up and then we then we were there for like at least 90 minutes um she's known to be very late but that's kind of like i can't if you're like that level of icon come out whenever you want queen i guess literally come out whenever yeah i was wondering what she was doing back there that's what i was like is she here i was like is she here she's driving she's still flying she's on the way she's on the plane yeah um so that's what i'm listening to what about you only pop girls only pop girls like who i'm still on short and sweet man's best friend my top album this year is man's best friend and then my second was okay amazing um and then my third was was life of a show girl okay i'm just like i'm kind of like i'm cycling through the pop yeah pop element that's just that that's why it's my super bowl it lights you up it lights me up yeah it lights me up i went to six five out of six shows of sabrina's like wait i know lights me up my mom went to the first one in la and she was like i I saw Owen there and I was like, damn, he's really just there all the time. You're like, hey, why is he there again? I was at two in New York and I saw you both times. I saw you there. No, but it's like, it's so fun. I just, I, this sounds so cheesy and I might want to take it out because it sounds so embarrassing on my part, but there's something really inspiring about it. Oh my God. There's something so deeply inspiring about watching one person do that. Yeah. where I'm like looking around at 40,000 and you're like, we're all here for you. Yeah. And for good reason. Yeah. Cause this fucking shit is so good. Like it's just, it's just incredible. And it's also incredible. I think for me to see that one night and then see it again and it be the same or better. Like you're like, you can do that again. Yeah. It seems like you could do that once in a life. Yeah. You can't, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to do it like six times in a row. Exactly. but she's so present with it she's so present in a way that I've never experienced before I know and I'm watching the end of an era Taylor's docuseries oh yeah I was gonna ask you the era store and it's like it's the same thing where you're like wait she's dealing with interpersonal things outside of and then she gets up and does a three hour show every day and then she gets up and remembers every lyric she's ever written ever I know I'm like wait everything okay with your brain the stamina the stamina does she talk about this like how she does that show each night Is it caffeine? Is it sleep? She's kind of like it's, yeah. I mean, she says like she doesn't do drugs. So she just like stays up and she has friends and family and a support system and talks to them. And, you know, and I'm sure she has coffee. Yeah. I'm sure. But it's just mostly it's like the drive. Yeah. Because she's so hungry for it. Like she just wants it. Are you hungry for this? I am hungry because I actually didn't eat any. You're just hungry. I ate my burrito before we started. You're just genuinely hungry. No, but I am. I feel like I haven't done anything that I want to do. Totally. I feel that way. If you could do anything else in the world, if acting wasn't in your cards, which is such a scary thought. But if you had to do something else, what would it be? I feel like I would maybe be a teacher. Oh, delish. Kids? Maybe. Kids, like, I don't know if I would do elementary school, but maybe middle school. Tough. I had a cup. Yeah. I had a fifth grade teacher that I loved and she would read to us every day when we would get in from lunch and she changed my life. Why? Because of the reading? Because she made me fall in love with reading. She was reading us the first Percy Jackson book and I was so engrossed in that story. And I was just kind of like, wow, like this is. It's probably why you act, by the way. Maybe. I mean, I was doing community theater at the time. But like, I think that's why I love to read. Totally. If I had that, I would love to read too. No, but I think there's something, I think reading also, like when you read a story, you envision it, you can like visualize it. And then you're like, now I see, well, are you, do you want to direct? So I don't know. I'm very scared to direct. Why? Because I just, I don't, I don't trust myself fully. Like I feel like I, I do want to make things. I love movies. Cinematography is like long been a passion of mine and something that like I notice. and um but it's like the technical elements of it and also just like seeing tommy direct for the first time was really illuminating because it was like she had never done it before but it felt like something she'd always done and i think what i attribute to that is she knows what she wants she's an amazing communicator and she's like a brilliant multitasker those are all things that I'm like working on totally so like so I do want to do it eventually um but at this point right now and I've said this before because people have been asking me this I'm so happy to be a part of someone's vision like I'm so happy to be told like okay this is what this is you know play around in this world but like these are your guardrails and like this is the box that you're existing in and like with David it's so cool because like he has the time and he has the vision so I know that we're only moving on when he's happy. Totally. And that makes me feel so secure. That's my love language, actually. Being told that we got it. Being told that we got the shot. Totally. I, um, I've worked with directors before who don't say that. Yeah. Who like, are like, look at it. Oh my God. This is the worst feeling in the world. When they look at a producer and they're like, we'll move on. And I'm like, no, you didn't get it. I failed. That's horrible. That's so scary. That is horrible. And do you think it's just because it's like they have to because of time? They have to because of time. But also, yeah, it's such a good feeling to be a part of someone's vision. And I think there's something so beautiful in fulfilling what they want. Like him being like, we got it. But that's also like with friendships. And this goes back to like relationships. Just being that person for someone else is so like, you know, it's such a beautiful thing. And you've worked with a lot of friends like Benito. Working with friends is really, is like something that I, that people don't, they always say like, don't work with kids, friends or dogs. Yeah. Those are like the rules when you're enacting. And I'm, I've done kids and friends. I've not done dogs yet, but I'm like. Oh, you should do dogs. And we're there. And we're there. You should do dogs. No, but I feel like friends for me, like I trust my friends and I respect my friends so much and so deeply that I'm like to serve my friends' vision. Yeah. Come on. That's actually like a dream for me. That's a dream. Have you, do you, well, you worked with Sabrina, obviously, but you guys, that was different. You guys met. We met on that. Have you worked with a friend since? Tommy, I technically knew before we had filmed. Yeah. We'd met a couple of years prior here in LA. And then I got to work with Conan on his videos for his latest album. How was that? Which was so fun. Conan's the best. Well, that was really special because we got to go back to Texas where he's from. and that was another um i guess experience of like creating like a fantasy version of like what it could have been this was like he didn't have this experience of like getting to be you know best friends with someone and then have it be more and like living in texas and obviously like if you've seen three videos it's like my character is really pushing him away and there's like thing there's blocks but like it ultimately ends well and we just got to we got to run around texas and like in the the heat of summer and play in the river and ride atvs and ride bikes and there was a dog and we shot it on film which i haven't had the chance to do very much of yet and it's so it's just summer camp and it's how was kissing your friend it was it was fun it was easy you know totally it was like there was a comfortability and you know we're doing this where you know we're playing these characters and you're such an actor yeah i would i i had to kiss this guy in adults and he's a friend of mine and i love him deeply friends prior no we met on the show and but we got really close okay and then we had to kiss last day of the show and we had to make out make out make out make out make out and then they were like the make out just you know what it doesn't feel real i think we need to use more tongue oh and i was like looking at him being like here we go it was so quick and then i had to leave set because then we were done so then i was like then i had this i can't believe i'm telling this but i then you have a weird existential crisis where you're like are we friends still oh my god i'm like i was like what the hell just happened we just made out a hundred times so i think when you're like comfortable and like get to be i feel like you were there for a while with how long were you there we were there for well we shot six days for the over the three videos so we did like the first video and it was initially just going to be the first one and then they loved it so much they were like oh let's do all three singles so we made a trilogy and yeah that's iconic i just touched you as you should and i know it's not your love language no it is i love it i actually love physical touch um okay so we had a quick follow up um uh i'm the interviewer now please what did did you talk to jared about having to do those of course and like so communicative yeah um how did you do it talk to him about yeah how did i ask jared yeah i was just kind of like how did you talk about it i just was like i mean jared knew that we were playing like love interest so jared was like when's the kiss i was like it's today and Jared was like hot Jared loves that kind of shit Jared's like send me pics I'm like ew you're a freak um no he it's it was just easy it was like yeah it's I mean we're also playing roles but it is that kind of thing where when you get so close to someone so fast I didn't know Jack before you have a relationship with Conan already so I was like then like you like are like oh my god my love for Jack is actually because I'm madly in love with him and then you're like No, like it's just, it's sometimes a mind fuck to be on set. The body doesn't know sometimes. The body does not know. Yeah. You have to, the mind does though. The mind knows. Absolutely. Yeah. But yeah, it's tricky. Okay. That's like barriers you can put up for yourself. Totally. Are you, um, are you seeing Conan when you're here? No, because he's not here. Where is he? I think he's in New York because he was doing Jingle Ball. Oh. I know. Ugh. I love that song, Vodka Cranberry. Vodka Cranberry. So good. I know. It's actually like I was blasting it before you came in. Oh, really? Emily loves it. So we listen to it a lot. Okay. Anyways, I ask everyone this question on the podcast. Okay. What is your big dream? So it doesn't need to be like for yourself. It can be. Owning a house. Really? Yeah. You want to own a house? I want to own a house. I want to have a backyard. I want to feel like I'm building something. Totally. You know? Do you know, I had this feeling the other day. I feel the exact same way. And it's probably because I was obsessed with Sims as a kid. You ever play Sims? I didn't, but I know it's just like being able to create something and like make it your own. Yes. Having something that is yours that you get to build out and make and invite people to dinner parties. And like, I love that. Where would your house be? I don't know. I mean, I do really want a backyard. So not New York. not New York but like maybe a little bit outside of New York yeah I don't know exactly the logistics yet do you love weather? I do you do you know what I love about it is it's like I feel like it makes me very present because when the new season rolls around it just everything changed I mean obviously everything changes but it's like you get so immersed in one thing that you forget what the next one is and then it comes and then you're like oh you really feel the passing of time and I like that reminder. Totally. You like to actually feel like we're in November. And I just find beauty in all of them. I love that. I feel like LA you kind of get spoiled and you're like you forget what month it is. You know what I mean? I'm like it's July. And Jared's like it's December 15th. Christmas is tomorrow. Do you know what I mean? That's like but that's like a that's a beautiful thing on the one hand and also like it is great to feel a season and like know when time passes. Um, what's your, the first thing you would do to your house when you get it? Turn on the fireplace or like start a fire. Totally. Start a fire, burn it all down. Well, I'd buy a house and then I'd burn it out. Um, yeah. And I want to have a dog. I grew up with dogs. I do. I do. Yeah. For the longest time. I mean, I said that kind of apprehensively, but I think it's because like, it feels so far away and it feels like such a, an idea. and right now I'm I want to be able to like give everything I can to my job so that's why I don't have a dog yet because it just it's a lot of responsibility it's another living being I want to be ready for it I can barely take care of myself yeah same but I do want to build something and I'm really looking forward to do you think you'll do it the next few years? No. Five years? Yeah. No. Five years? I don't know. Maybe like 10. Delish. Sit with that. Yeah. I'm 26 now. 36, a delish time. Yeah. Great. Yeah. I wish I was Kylie Jenner so I could ultimately like have a kid and a huge house and a life at like 25. Do you know what I mean? That would be iconic. Yeah. That would be iconic. That's crazy. But that's not where I am in my life. No. Corey, you're so amazing. We have to put these on. these little things on oh my god i love sleep masks that one hold on this is yours okay this one's gonna be mine i wear one that says sleep with owen because everyone has to sleep with me um cory you're a dream you're a fucking dream you're a queen you in a backwards hat i love this thank you do you wear that often i do it's kind of a vibe yeah i love it speaking of you're straight in that hat fuck yeah okay we look into this camera cory and we say good night i love you okay on three and thank you for coming do we do it like anything else no that's literally it i think you're done with the podcast okay um what else can we do what else could we do we could do a lot okay um i love you thank you for coming on i love you too i'll see you in a week oh yeah we go again to it we hang out in a week oh yeah and we're gonna be doing that puzzle oh no okay ready okay What do we say? Good night. I love you. Okay. Three, two, one. Good night. I love you. You're gonna figure it out in your dreams. Good night, Owen Thiel.