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Witch Hat Atelier Is DARKER Than It Seems.. - Otakus Anonymous Episode #159

132 min
Apr 29, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Two anime podcast hosts discuss recent anime episodes including Witch Hat Atelier, Invincible season 4 finale, Marriage Talks in, and Daemons, analyzing narrative structure, character development, and animation quality. They debate power scaling between fictional universes and discuss the anime industry's approach to adaptation and budget allocation.

Insights
  • Monthly manga serialization (like Witch Hat Atelier) can receive comparable animation budgets to weekly series despite lower sales rankings, suggesting production decisions are based on IP potential rather than current sales metrics
  • Adding extended death-baiting sequences to anime adaptations can desensitize audiences to gore and undermine emotional impact, particularly when changes contradict source material intent
  • Character-driven problem-solving (building a comfortable bed for a dragon) resonates more strongly with audiences than traditional combat-focused resolutions in shonen anime
  • Power system consistency matters less to viewers than character agency—introducing new power forms without narrative justification breaks immersion regardless of visual quality
  • Anime adaptation decisions that add character development (like Debbie's arc in Invincible) often fail to branch the narrative meaningfully, reverting to source material beats instead
Trends
Anime studios investing heavily in visually stunning but narratively questionable adaptations of mid-tier manga propertiesIncreasing use of gore and death-baiting as substitute for genuine emotional stakes in shonen adaptationsMonthly serialized manga receiving anime adaptations previously reserved for weekly series, indicating shift in industry prioritizationAnime audiences becoming desensitized to violence through repetitive graphic sequences, requiring escalation for impactAdaptation teams adding character depth that doesn't integrate with existing plot structure, creating narrative inconsistencyPower system inconsistency becoming more acceptable in anime as visual spectacle prioritizes over logical worldbuildingCross-universe power scaling discussions becoming mainstream fandom discourse despite fundamental incompatibility of different power systemsAnime production focusing on isolated 'cool moments' rather than cohesive narrative arcs across seasons
Topics
Anime Adaptation Fidelity vs. Creative ChangesCharacter-Driven Problem Solving in Shonen AnimeDeath-Baiting and Emotional Manipulation in StorytellingPower System Consistency and WorldbuildingAnimation Budget Allocation for Manga AdaptationsMonthly vs. Weekly Serialization Impact on Anime ProductionCross-Universe Power Scaling and Verse EqualizationFemale Character Writing in Magical Girl AnimeNarrative Branching in Anime AdaptationsGore and Violence as Narrative Tool vs. SpectacleCharacter Agency in Romantic SubplotsProduction Company Selection and Quality CorrelationAudience Desensitization to Graphic ContentManga Sales Rankings vs. Anime Production InvestmentAdaptation Director's Creative Vision vs. Source Material
Companies
Crunchyroll
Primary streaming platform where discussed anime episodes are available; hosts Drops of God, Witch Hat Atelier, and o...
Universal Studios
Host of Fan Fest event featuring One Piece themed Waterworld show and various anime-themed attractions and mazes
Studio Moppa
Animation studio producing Witch Hat Atelier with significant budget allocation despite monthly manga serialization
Studio Sipic
Production company (formerly Cygames Pictures) announced to produce Kaguramachi anime adaptation with director Tetsuy...
Amazon Prime Video
Streaming platform for Invincible animated series, season 4 finale discussed in episode
Disney+
Advertised streaming service during episode with promotion for spring releases including High Potential and Rivals
People
Taylor Shay
Secured first voice acting role in Drops of God anime; creates fan art of podcast hosts
Robert Kirkman
Original creator of Invincible comic series; discussed for narrative decisions and character development choices
Tetsuya Takahashi
Announced director for Kaguramachi anime adaptation; previously key animator on Naruto
Emily Rudd
Resembles actress playing Nami in One Piece live action adaptation; praised for performance
Quotes
"I think it's a cool way to depict what's going on with Mark. I think to build up to the idea of like, hey, Mark is going to like bend the knee, essentially here to Thrag, in the face of overwhelming, like it's like, oh, it does a really good job of being like, hey, Mark doesn't want to make this decision, Mark is broken right now."
Host discussing Invincible adaptation choicesInvincible discussion segment
"What a cool and unique way to display action. Because like the dragon flops down on this bed. And like it's a very non-traditional closing to like this whole sequence with the dragon."
Host praising Witch Hat Atelier episode 5Witch Hat Atelier discussion
"I just don't understand how like season one is getting this much budget. It's all manga sales. I guess."
Host questioning Witch Hat Atelier production investmentWitch Hat Atelier analysis
"Just commit to the thing. That's still, oh, oh, he has the powers of the whole universe picks on him. Oh, never mind, he's got the strongest power anyone's ever conceptualized."
Host criticizing With Storia power system inconsistencyWith Storia episode critique
"I love that he's like a monogamous. He's like, I love her. I love her. And then his friend's like fucking like, we need to go on more dates."
Host praising Marriage Talks in character writingMarriage Talks in discussion
Full Transcript
So, Danny, you want to talk about what's a... That's a fun little blanket you have there. Yes, so our patrons who watch us live every week will know that we are later than we said we would be. And it's because I had to do some dude shit. You had to do a little bit of... I had to do a little hand grease. I know how this story ends, and I'm going to let you decide as to whether or not you want to describe it as you being a man or not. Add a little bit of dude grease to the old dude wagon. A little black sludge into my fingernails. I had to rip off like, I don't know, like an eighth of my car. I'd say from a weight perspective, probably closer to a sixth, yeah. Dore a bunch of my car off, ate a curb a couple of days ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just devoured a curb. True man shit, just like listen, the lines don't define me. Dude, I used to eat curbs daily in Heisman. Boy, oh boy, does that not surprise me. He's coming back, this is your third car in Los Angeles. I've never been good at anything. And so ate a curb on Friday. Yeah. Hard, right? Like you should. But like, but you were like, ah, whatever. That's a standard curb eat and feel, you know. I was pulling into a driveway and I missed the driveway entirely. So I just hit the curb. Yep. And then I was leaving and everything was fine. It's doubled down. I saw a bush I didn't like. I forgot about it. And then I heard the worst scraping in my life. It sounds like radio static. It explains all the burn marks on this on this heat shield here. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. But anyway, it was big, dumb, metal, unnecessary piece, the kidney of the car, if you will. I'd say more like a goldbladder. Yeah. Scraping against the highway. Yeah. And I had two more hours to drive. So I was letting that happen. And then. You drove for two hours with your heat shield like that. Eventually it stopped making the noise. Eventually there was enough metal left on the ground. It wasn't making contact. Yeah. It's not making the noise, which I guess meant half of it got ripped off. You could see here. Oh, good. Good. Yeah. Just launched in somebody's windshield final destination style. Yeah. And so I was like, that's fine. That's fixed then. So that was exciting. And then today I had to come to the pod, but on my way to the pod, I was going to do a Bakugan Facebook marketplace pick up. As one does because Danny loves going to the saddest people in LA. Oh, your childhood. Your childhood lovely toys here that you thought were going to be worth way more. Yeah. Here's $400. I know it is always someone who really loves the thing I'm buying. And they're like, yeah, but you know, like times are tough and you know, the wife says it's either this or me. So. Danny rolling out of his car, like actively burning car like, shut up. Take the fucking money. Give me your fucking rollable toys. Throw the cash at him. Lap covered in smoothie. I'm going to fucking. I got bits to run here. But I had to stop because I was so late for the Bakugan pickup and I was like, Hey, sorry, my car is actively falling apart. Yeah. Danny's like, Hey, we came to the podcast in person and then all of all the three people in the chat were like, Danny, please, that's just a piece of plastic. Yeah. They were like, just rip this off. So I found a real man nearby. I was wondering if you're going to tell this part of the story. Oh yeah. I found like a guy, a guy. These were in jeans probably and like, and like regular. No shirt. No shirt. Actually, no shirt. That's a real man right there. I went up to his house and I saw him in the window. So I knew he was home and he was shirtless. Do you know this man? Or you're just like, I just put on the mandar and found a dude. I just went up to a nearby house and I was like, I need tools to rip this off. And there was a dude shirtless, uh, crisscross applesauce in his room. Of course. And I was like, excuse me. I need a sake. Oh, it's like, I need help with this. You look like a man who knows what's up. And he was like, sure, he comes down helps and he's like, so how are things, you know, before this? And I was like, good. And then me thinking I'm making small talk was like, we, we were playing some video games in there and he was like, what? And I was like, nothing. Fucking what? No, I am. I mean, doing some pushups. Jean pushups. Oh yeah. Holy shit. That's awesome. So now I got this. Now you have this. Oh, it's mine now. I'm not. You're too kind. Wow. Put in your little walley trash compactor thing. That's useless and sucks. Oh yeah. It's just literally just like cram. It's rips the trash bags as it pushes them down into oblivion. It's great. It's so good. That is going to get left here because I'm going to forget the next two hours that you left it here and then come Sunday. I'm going to be like, God damn it. It's like, you want to be like a Robeck smoothie there to like literally turn into a culture? Yeah. I've seen like the early stages of civilization begin to grow in Robeck smoothies you've left over there. I was going to say I've created biomes. Yeah, it's been one. It's been a real one. But yeah, so Danny went through some mechanical challenges, but we're here now and that's all that matters. I have some news. I went to One Piece Fan Fest. I went to Universal Fan Fest. Me and Danny both got invited to go to Universal Fan Fest. For those who don't know who live in LA or I think maybe the one in Orlando is doing it right now as well. I don't know. I don't fucking know either. This one. Wait, don't tell him I got invited. My follow up is I didn't go because I didn't want to. Oh, no, Danny. Danny wanted to be an introvert because he got attention maxed at WrestleMania. It's funny to me when I get invited to things every now and then and I'll be like, I'm going to ignore this and then you'll hit me up and you're like, hey, I got invited as this thing and it's very sweet of you to invite me and half the time I'll lie and just be like, thanks, dude, I appreciate that. Let's go. But this time you were like, you want to come to Fan Fest? And I was like, no. Yeah. And you were like, what day is it? And I was like, tomorrow. And you're like, yeah, no, I'm still, I'm still like literally becoming a mold person after WrestleMania. But how was it? It was the worst one I've been to. All right. There's a caveat there. Everything about this one is bad except for the Waterworld show, which is the best Waterworld's ever been. And that's the one piece thing, right? It's the one piece thing. So how many of you been to? I've been to Horror Nights and they did the Purge one last year. I went to Fan Fest last year. With me? Yes, with you. What was it? They did JJK. They did JJK. And that was also bad. That one was fine. And the like they changed the JJK movie to a Sailor Moon movie, which was objectively okay. And then the Maze's, like, you know, there's like Maze's and stuff. Remember how last year it was back to the future? Like we drove out and there was like a Delorean crash. Well, it wasn't a maze, but it was like the town square. Yeah, it take a little, little year up in the back lots and they like juiced it up. Yeah. This year, Scooby Doo themed. So it's like, it's a bunch of like, it's like Fred and Velma and Shaggy all running around and stuff. And then there's like the incorporation of like, because like Paramount or Universal owns like the Monstersverse, like Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein, Dracula, that kind of thing. And like, so like they're kind of running around. Like out in your list of things they own, you do two Frankenstein. Those were the big, those, it was four Frankensteins and then his wife. That's like me being like crunchy roll has a vast catalog of characters. UG, Nobara, Gojo. Oh, I thought, I thought you, I was going to say Joey Wheeler. I thought you said Yu-Gi. Yu-Gi. Yu-Gi. Yu-Gi. Yu-Gi. That is how Gege names characters. Like Yagami. Yeah. Like Yu-Gi. Yes. And so there's a, like you're supposed to do like, there's like a 20 step fucking like, you get handed a book. You get handed a book and it's like identify the footsteps kind of thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You do a mystery? You go, you do a whole mystery with the mystery gang. Yeah. And then at the end you like, you put your best, you put your best like theory in your brain, right? And then there's a 45 minute line to get the big reveal. There is a line called the big reveal and you wait in that. And then once you get to the end of it, you find out who did it. So if you're wondering to yourself, Dan, couldn't you just wait in the line for the big reveal? Yeah, you could. Well, yeah, but then the jokes just like, I guess that's fair. It's like a, it's like going to the gym and thinking you're like exploiting a loophole by just being on your phone the whole time. No. What you've done is trick yourself because you don't get the gains. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like going to the gym. It's like hopping out a shit ton of steroids, seeing all the gains, seeing all the gains and doing none of the work. Because you don't have to do any of the work to find out. But you didn't get any fun. You didn't get any fun. Of course. But people would say like, Oh, back rows are fun. No one would say that. I would say back rows are fun. Okay. How I like the idea that because you're like, you got to solve it with the gang. I like the idea that you're not allowed to do that, but you either ignored or weren't aware of that. You just kept clinging to Shaggy and Fred the whole time. Just like, please take me to the sandwiches. Yeah, you're like, so who do you think did it next? And you're like, I don't know, I don't know. They're like smoking in the corner. What are you, I'd fist fight them. What are you, 30? Yeah, you better know how to fight Fred. I know you're an all-American wrestler, you better back that shit up. Shaggy takes it, Scooby takes his head off, he's like, get the fuck out of here. I like the idea that, because last year is back to the future. I like that every year, that section of Universal is dedicated to a thing that makes you go, is this still popular? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, you're like, I haven't seen a Scooby-Doo movie in years. Yeah, because we went with Wafalo last time. Either Wafalo or Nakeel, but one of them, we were hanging out with a little bit. And I remember being like, why is it, why back to the future? Like, who gives a shit about that? And they're like, oh, it's huge. And I'm like, I can't. It goes so much back to the future cosplayers. I didn't even know this is something that somebody like, oh, let me slap on my Doc Hudson real quick. I can't imagine. That's the car from Cars. I don't remember. I don't remember which doctor is. Doc Brown. Doc Brown, there it is. We whip up my quickest toe mater. Yeah, dude, fuck it. Just like, ow, it hurts every time. He reversed transform. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just like the era we're living in right now where like everything has to be more, more, more and spin offs and connected universes and shit. I can't imagine staying obsessed with a dead IP because I do, I'm a victim of I always want there to be more and an expanding. Yeah, everybody knows. Like I'm sure if they made back to the future four right now, people would still watch it, you know? I guess you could argue Naruto. Is it dead IP? Yeah, and Hunter Hunter. Boreto still comes out. Yeah. Hunter Hunter is still an ongoing manga. Both to the same extent of yeah. Yeah, neither, neither are great answers. 100%. That's also my financials. It's also how this house is paid for Daniel. I need to stay attached to those. Do you think my hero is gonna like get the Naruto treatment where there will be no one? Well, one, because it doesn't have a boreto and two, because two, it's like nostalgia. Like it's like, well, eventually. Well, no, but then my thing is like, the big three are iconic for a reason, which is that in that time era, it felt like those were the only three anime that mattered. MHA came out, it's just in a such more flooded, shonen sphere that I think for the, and then there was also like a weird time after like Naruto and Bleach and One Piece, where like there wasn't really that mega shonen followup. And so there's like that weird window where we're like, okay, well, maybe this is all there is kind of thing. And so I think MHA gets like lost in the static. I think like people will always be like, oh, MHA is great, but it'll probably get talked about the same way that, I don't know, I'm trying to think like Gintama. Like it's like, there'll always be a dedicated fandom. Maybe. Of MHA. I just don't think it'll ever hold the market share that Naruto or One Piece or Bleach has. I see what you mean. We're like, now that anime is so mainstream. It's like something ends and people, I assume, are kind of just willing to let it end. Like I guess we see that with Attack on Titan. People still will like bring it up as like a goat. But yeah, I don't see a lot of like Attack on Titan theory crafting YouTubers coming out. That's the thing. It's just like the big three have such a ridiculous amount of market share still to this day, because like the editors were like, this needs to exist forever. And like, so now the big three are all still actively coming out like One Piece, Bleach and Naruto are all in some capacity still coming out. So it's like they have to exist forever kind of thing. But yes, the water show for the Universal Fan Fest, sick as hell. So good. It was so good. They have Buggy. They got Tizuru. They got the Cross Guild. They got all the Straw Hats. And by all the Straw Hats, I mean the ones that are easy to pull off. They don't have the Fishman or the Skeleton. Chopper is a plushie. Is it not based on the live action? It's based on the anime? Like do they go beyond Chopper? No, I mean like Robin's in the live action. And Robin's not in this. So it's like up until Whiskey Peak basically, I guess you could say, because it's Usopp, Sanji, Nami, Dora. Yeah, I assume it's a season two thing. Yeah, kind of. And but there's also the Cross Guild. So it's like, but that's like, that doesn't pop up until episode of Thousand. So like there's like touchy, like it's like Crocodile, Meehawk and Buggy are all teamed up. Oh, it's not Crocodile's in it. Crocodile's in it. That's your answer. Well, I guess, but also is Meehawk and Buggy. And I guess those are three villains that all exist. Not in the live action. Crocodile doesn't show up yet. Crocodile absolute shows up in season two. Yeah, 100%. Does he? Yeah, it's all about Alabasta. It's like specifically season two is about Alabasta. Have you finished season two? No. Me neither. Yeah, but it's about Alabasta. Season two is not about Alabasta. Season two Waple, I believe is the final attack. The final attack. Season three is all about Alabasta. Gotcha. But Meehawk shows up in Baratier. Neither of us have seen it. Chat, let us know. Crocodile in season two. It's not. At least his existence is implied because you're dealing with Brokeworks and he is Mr. Zero. So he's. He shows up in the last scene of season two. There you go. Not there you go. I remember that's, he's in there, but also like he is a very early on villain. And so like, but like them all coming together doesn't happen until like fucking after one. So like that, like that's like a kind of a weird shout, but there's like a bunch of really cool. I guess Keeser shows up and Keeser doesn't really show up until pretty substantially from the online. But they do like buggies, like dice, dice fruit. And then people like struggling with like animated, like detached hands. There's a sequence where Luffy stretches his arm, chopper chokes a dude out. And it's just like good water world nonsense. Like people are falling off a tower into water. The Navy's on sea dues. It's great. So like if you're going to do anything, I'd go to that. There is though the worst maze they've ever done. There's a Harry Potter maze. And it's you walk through, you like, you just walk a path. Like there's like a, there's like a, just a path that like walks through like the Griffith, what do you call them? Griffin Woods? Like the Griffin Woods in the Harry Potter world or something. And you walk as like 30 people at a time. And if you aren't person one through six, you cannot hear what your torque eye to say. Cause there's 900 forest sounds. It's like, it's like, we're swaying trees, like spiders, a Griffith. And so like the wizard that's like showing you around has a little voice box, like yay big, like clipped to his like his bed. And you're just nothing. Now mind you, there was an open bar for content creators. So by this point I was three sheets to the wind. I was, I was, I had 10 drinks. Maybe I was drunk. I was, I was nice and liquored up. And so there was an hour and 10 minute wait for this walk that lasted seven minutes and you couldn't hear. Because we had the fast pass, we were able to do it immediately, but it was, it was bad. That's awesome. It was real bad. So I guess shout out to Fenton Fest. Sure. The one piece aspects are funny. The one piece, if you're a one piece fan, you'll like it. Also the Sailor Moon cosplayer was awesome. I don't know if you've seen any of her on Instagram or anything like that. Wow. Very good cosplay. Very pretty girl. It was cool. Yeah, very, very cool. All right. Got some big stuff to talk about this week. And by big stuff, I mean, we have the final episode of Invincible season four, episode eight, which feels like it was forever ago because it comes out on like Tuesdays. We have another episode from Daymont, another episode from Witch Had a Telly, another episode from Wastoria, and me and Danny's favorite anime ever created, Marriage Talks In, with its third ever episode. What should we open with, Daniel? I'll open with Drops of God. Drops of God. Which you're supposed to watch. Shout out to Taylor Shay. Taylor Shay. One of our close omies who just got her first voice acting role. Can you see that in your cam? I don't know if you can see it in my cam. It is connected to the door. But for any of you who have ever seen the door, you can see Taylor Shay did a rendition. This is what Taylor Shay did for us. It's a rendition of me and Danny fighting against each other with our chosen weapons. And Taylor's great. She sees us at all of the cons where we go in Texas. She's got her first voice acting role. You want to talk about it? Yeah, Drops of God on Crunchyroll. There's three episodes out apparently. It's pretty funny. It's like, what if you took wine and made it anime? What if you made wine and made it turn into anime? Yeah. What do you mean? Like, you know how grapes become wine? Yeah. That. I'm going to wait till you sit down because people can't hear you. That's OK. We didn't pack up anyways. I move out of the house in a week. So we might as well just have this be down. It is about this dude who his father is this emperor of this wine company. Not a real emperor. It's modern day. But he's got. CEO is the word. CEO. We could use, yeah. Well, they're close enough. He's like a dictator of a business. Yeah. What would you call it? Well, he's got a wine empire. Yeah. No, he's like the czar of business affairs, something like that. Like a tyrant of a big club. Yeah. The club is like they make shoes. I don't. It's something like that. But so he's got this wine empire. And his son hates wine. He never drinks wine. Classic. You don't care for it. Because he's got trauma with his dad. Like alcoholic son. Like you're like I'm never going to touch this stuff. Yeah. Alcoholic dad. Well, no. Like the son of an alcoholic. Yeah. So he. Yeah, he's not in the wine. Doesn't do it. He works in the beer department of whatever company he works at. My kind of guy, dude. He's like, oh, you got to squish it with your toes, gross. And then he gets transferred back to wine after his father dies. He's like Dionysus fucking propaganda. Like what's like what's happening here? Transfer back to wine. His father dies and. Wait, this is loosely the plot of Tommy boy. But he just he just just mix out with fucking tires or break pads for wine here. Well, so he the father dies and has like billions worth of like wine, you know, fucking money. But a week before his death, he adopted another wine aficionado son, right? Which is weird. I feel like it's weird to be adopting adult men, but whatever. 100%. Yeah. I don't think you can legally do it unless they're under 18. He adopted this other guy. Maybe they're 18 ish. I don't know. Also, it's Japan. So things are different. OK, but still can't drink. They can't drink till the 20. And yeah, they are adults. He adopted this other man and the father was like, I'm leaving you guys with a wine game and whoever wins gets my empire. Good. So they have to do some wine bullshit. Good. And it's a very like the dude. The main guy is like eating at a restaurant and this fucking prick. Yeah. What do you call a customer? There he's like, he buys things from the food. So the eat man. The eat man, of course. The eat man is like, why is this wine so sour? I thought you just corked it. And Taylor Shea's character, who's the lead female character. Good. And she's a server at this restaurant, the sommelier. And she's like, I love the word sommelier and not customer and or CEO. Well, I called it sommelier. So clearly I don't. Is my sommelier still got the grape stuck in his mouth? She's like, I don't know. This doesn't make any sense. It's a new bottle. And the guy is like, decant me. And I hand him a decanter. And then he decants the wine, which is literally what? The microphone's not on. Oh, no, it is. You're right. I'm sorry. Which is literally just pouring the wine into a different vehicle. 100%. Yep. And everybody's like, that was masterful. I can't believe you did that. You have to aerate the wine. Yeah. So it's a lot of that where it's like, he will do something very regular and sane. And people will be like, you're a master winesman. Taylor sounds nothing like herself. It was like, I had a double check. Which characters you play. Wow. It's crazy. That's range right there. She does a fantastic job. Everybody's doing great. Like the dub is a very good dub. But yeah, it's like food wars without the sex and just wine. OK, good. So if you're a wine-o mom out there trying to find a way to connect to your child, boy, oh boy, do I have a show for you. Drops of Jupiter. Sure. Drops of the drops of Jupiter and your wine. Drops of God. Yeah, drops of God. Drops of God. Listen, if you think two bottles of wine is just right, you're right amount to get you ready for your kid's soccer game, boy, oh boy, do I have an anime for you. That's fun. Cool. Thanks for the run down. I love listening to you summarize anime. Yeah, I bet. I told you to watch it. I like, you know what? And it's not because you like anything. You just didn't do it. And you don't read my text. Here's the thing. You have been insufferable lately. I got so actually mad today. Because Nick, I texted Nick and I was like, I can't wait to talk about. I was trying to give you a compliment. I can't wait to talk about with story. Then that's also, it was going to piss me off anyway. I know you're just lying about. I like, I like when we do straight man in the pool. You're just lying about. I like, the happen you describe things to me. Fucking I texted Nick and I was like, can't wait to talk about with story today because the story is hilarious today. Yes, it's very funny. And Nick goes fell asleep midway through, had to drop it. This was after I was like, what shows did you drop? And what are you watching this week? Nick dropped like three shows. I dropped Liars Game and Nepence and Goku. I cannot. I thought it was one more. I cannot watch Nepence and Goku anymore. It makes me physically upset. And so already I was like, all right, whatever. I was trying to do something cool and be proactive and watch like a variety of anime this season, but whatever. And so. We got marriage talks in. So Nick's already dropped two things. And then he's like, I dropped with story, bored me, blah, blah, blah. And then I was like, what are you talking about? We got to watch something. And then he starts describing the plot of witch hat Atelier. And I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. Cause I haven't seen it yet. And then we go through his back and forth. And I'm so like, dude, we can't do the drop and shit. Part of our job has to be enduring medium anime so that it's not just we're watching the good stuff. But whatever we talk about the medium anime of the week you go. Well, that was, yeah, well, you saw, you saw a story, right? Yeah. Sulaug form. That was wild. Okay, witch hat. And that's literally, that's what we did for the last three episodes of Token Anki we did. It's a fucking show about Power Rangers fighting the black alien things that descended down. Oh, Gogo loser Ranger. Gogo loser Ranger. We were like, this episode made no goddamn sense. Well, every time, every time we're watching a show, we don't like, we do five miserable minutes on it. And I know for a fact, they'd rather just us talk about, I don't know, the skid plate you ripped off your car. I don't think that's true. I think people would rather hear us talk about anime. They'd rather hear us talk about the fucking difference in the sizes of our balls than Token Anki again. I think people who already are on board with it, I think we're not gonna get anybody new. Oh, because you are doing a car related 30 minute opening. Liar game season episode three is gonna be a big poll for subscribers. But anyway, you won't believe they're still lying in this game. But anyway, so Nick was talking about witch at a telier. When I was talking about with Storia, and it's because for the second time in a row, Nick has read half of my text. There's two magical anime on this season. They will start with W. What was it last week? I don't know where you have. I don't read your text. Don't ask me these questions. Oh, it was when I was like, if you're gonna watch one anime that I recommend you, make sure it's marriage toxin, not Liar's game. And I was like, Liar's game fucking, I was like, Liar's game sucks. Why'd you recommend this to me? It's just a piece of meat to me. Whatever expresses opinions, I just eyes glaze over dude. I was thinking about that body. And then you're sitting here lying about being like, well, it's because I like your storytelling. And then I do a whole rundown and you're just like, well, if you like so and such, drops a Jupiter. Great input. This was a good segment for our friend. I did, you just sent you to a fantastic job. It sounds like a show you would watch. Well, that's even worse, Danny. How dare you? I'm gonna watch it now. Watch it? I asked you to. I was soon as you watched a gamer. The movie you've been trying to get me to watch for weeks. Anyway, maybe I'll watch some more. Taylor did do a transformative role in it, which was crazy. Like genuinely, just check it out to be like, I don't know, like when does Taylor show up? Yes. Because you won't realize. I think I know what their character looks like. Unfortunately, she posted a thingy on our Instagram. I DM'd her. I was like, proud of you. Okay. So I don't buy you remember that. You don't even know. The Japanese looking character with brown hair and I think it's back in the bun. Black hair. Okay. Close enough. It's different. Close enough. Go on. Go on. What was the worst thing of the week? Ooh. Kitty. A great story like Monsters Inc. stays with you forever. And Disney Class is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award winning hit series, Rivals. Welcome to the naughtiest show on television. To the unmissable crime drama, High Potential. Gotta dead body. Gotta go. A lifetime of great stories awaits. This spring on Disney Plus, 18 plus subscription required. T's and C's apply. Ah. It's what it was. It's with Storia. Is it? It's with Storia. It's with Storia, right? I guess. It's with Storia. With Storia was probably, I don't know. I probably, but it's gonna be the most fun to talk about. Oh, it's absolutely gonna be the most fun to talk about, which is why we're gonna get to it. All right, let's talk about it. Before we go any further though today, what everyone's to know, we're playing a game, Am I the Asshole? Anime edition later on after we're done talking about all of our anime. And we are going to be doing four for the regular podcast here, and three for the Patreons. And they seem, I've done some light scanning through them. They're very fun. They're all AITAs, but anime themed. You're reading shit. I know, I just, like I saw like a couple of... Do you wanna do it now? We can do it now. You wanna do it now? Didn't you wanna do it at the top? We can do it at the top. Nah, let's talk about with Storia. Okay. Let's talk about with Storia. I just, we can do a Storia game, and then the rest of them. All right, fine, we'll talk about with Storia. This episode three. Episode two? Episode three of two, I believe. Three of season two? Might be four, let me check. This might be episode 15 overall, I believe. Yeah, it might be four, because episode one's a recap. Episode zero is a recap. Why am I always logged out of my crunchy roll? I hate today. I'm having, I'm already sick of this. I'm having the most fun I've had on the podcast in maybe a while. Oh, I think I think I'm an emotional vampire. I think that's what's happening. Yeah, you do suck. What is ladies butlers and what, ladies versus butlers, and why is it recommended to me? I don't know what is happening. Look at ladies versus butlers, dog. On a corn track. That's what I'm watching an episode of this week. Ladies. Crunchyroll, you got me. Do they fight ghost in the shells? Is this out? The new one? Horizon? Is the new one, is it? No, there's no way that's what this is. That was, I mean, they were like showing us like rough sketches at last day. Only four episodes. Oh, it's an OVA. So no. Well, ghost in the shells only a movie originally, so I guess it wouldn't be that long. Ladies versus butlers. Raised by his uncle after his parents' deaths, Akiharu enrolls at a mostly female academy that specializes in training maids and butlers for high society placements. This is what my dad did. My dad went to the women's college of Texas. He's the only man in like 1960, whatever. He went reverse, he went reverse. Fuck, what's it called? What's it called when like women got like accepted to go into like colleges and all that? Ah. Suffrage? Yeah, no, that's no. It's like segregation, but like the reverse of segregation integration. Integration. Yeah, you went like reverse integration. He went upstream. It was the first. Dude, being the only dude at an old girls college. Oh, holy shit. Your dad brought me at the best four years of his goddamn life. Little why. I always asked him why he went there. And he's like, oh, you know, they gave me tuition. Why? Why did they give you? There's fucking hentai about that, dude. At the school, he runs into Tomomi, a devious childhood girlfriend who humiliates him. Soon, Akiyaru finds himself in the center of one awkward situation after another. He tries to cope with school, work, and is eccentric, sexy classmates. It doesn't tell me anything about butlers. I know it's for all the female butlers and maids, dog. Oh, wait, is that a boy in the, that's a boy. That's what's happened. I think it's a she's the man situation, but in reverse, he's the girl. I don't think so. I think it is. She's in a bathing suit. Like you see her boobs. I guess, I guess maybe. Maybe, maybe, well, you know, fine. Yeah, it's episode 15 of a story. I'm man alive. Did this episode undo, I'm gonna say 80% of the goodwill I had towards this universe. This was, this was a nightmare. This was bad. This was really bad for like a multitude of reasons. Okay, go on. So this episode is like, it opens up with Severus, not Snape, telling a bunch of dwarves to kill themselves. He's like, you go, go launch a suicide attack. And you're like, that's fucked. And then he protects one of the dwarves. He's like, I'm, my life's even less important than yours. And I was like, that's kind of sick. It's, he, the execution's whack. Cause he goes, go launch a suicide mission. And then they're all like, you're being racist. And then the twist is that, no, he's not. He's valuing them more than the mages. He knows anybody who's gonna try and save the Capitol is gonna die. The problem though, isn't that he asked the door that he like gave the dwarves in order. Problem is that he's called it a suicide mission. I mean, like, I think you can be like, Oh, at least he's being honest. But at the same time, like, don't be honest. Like, hey, just help, help please. Be like, hey, dwarves, go, you know, defend this flank or whatever. Don't be like, go get yourselves killed. This, there's no way you survive. Yeah. And then that's immediately followed up by, by like, Will's been scooped up by his teacher, whose name is Cornelius Bumblebutt. I don't remember. And so he gets scooped up by his teacher, who's like saving him from the Devonernus or something like that. And the guy who's got knives for magic is like, it stops them as they're going to try and stop the thing that's gonna take down the tower. And he just blows a hole in the teacher. And for a second you're like, Oh my God, two deaths in two episodes. And then the child who they've been teasing for the entire season shows up. Yeah, Leo. Leo, and he's like, I'm the powerful child who's never been elaborated upon ever. Right? I mean, do you? No, I have no fucking idea. I thought it was Rosty. I thought it was a blonde, a short blonde character. And then Will's like, now everyone around me is dying. Rosty's dead. My teacher's dead. Well, the teacher's not dead. Did you hear him be like, he'll be fine. I literally wrote in my notes, type of shit invincible would bounce back from. And then he does. And then they're like, oh, he's just got to catch his heart beat. What heart? Fucking gone. Did you like, this is like the second time in a couple of weeks where animators have just neglected what a spine is or does. It's got a gaping hole in the center of his. He's just walking up to him. How are you communicating with your legs right now? Got no heart, no lungs, no spine, any. Bluetooth connection. I'm assuming because he's probably like some magical construct. He's probably not a real person. He'd have to be. Yeah, like a golem or something. Yeah, exactly. It's like some elemental golem specifically made because Will is apparently the chosen child to keep an eye on Will. That's almost definitely what's happening. And then Will, and then Leo walks up to Will, it is like, you have magic. You've always had magic. Your magic is your gum shit. It's that good old Popeye spinach can of fucking bicep strength. And then Will undergoes what can only be described as a Sioux long form. Will sees the full moon as a fucking, I forget what they're called in one piece, as a fucking furry from one piece, and then just grows ultimate sonic hair, and then just speed blitzes the entire universe. Yeah, so he's like, you have one spell. You're fucking spunk. You're fucking hoopla. Yeah, your gum shit, kid. And I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. He's got fucking husba. Well, because then he's like, what's your spell? And then Will goes courage. And I was like, that's pretty hype. That's pretty cool. And then he does real magic. And then it turns into Superman. He turns into silver, the hedgehog. I think Leo gives him the power. He gives him some blood. Did you catch that? Leo drops some blood on his sword. Because we've seen Will be able to pull magic onto his sword before. That's happened. So maybe he's taking Leo's magic or something. I think this guy, and if we're wrong, are we wrong about the name? Let me see. He goes super saying. Our actuals literally. He goes ultra instinct. He's not even super saying. He turns silver. Panda Mom yelled bullshit at our TV. Yeah, it was like a true and utter nonsense. I was cracking up. I got up and I called you immediately because it brought me back to our Togan Anki days. Where this show that has been like for like 18 episodes was like, this is a blood based power system. We'll stretch it a little, you know? But like everyone just does blood. Yeah, this guy's got like radar. This guy can make like blood saw blades. She's got like a blood sister titan thing. Also, by the way, there's seven reincarnations of gods, all from different elements. And one of them is the fire god. And that's our blood gun boy. Yeah, they throw out the power system and give him fire. For no reason. Yeah, there's like blood no longer matters. That's how this felt. We're 15 episodes in and they're like, we can't not have power. We're dead to a fucking wheel. He's not only, he's just been incredibly successful up until this moment. Why not give him a Sioux long form? Him getting a form is hysterical. It's a nail in the coffin. It looks sick. It looks sick, but it's just another, it's always, it's so, it feels so fucking easy. To just like, from like a writer's perspective, to just write a story about a guy who doesn't have the powers of the power system and just keep it that way. Just commit to the thing. That's still, oh, oh, oh, he has the powers of the whole universe picks on him. Oh, never mind, he's got the strongest power anyone's ever conceptualized. That fucking every time, every time it happens. Fucking Rock Lee gets the eight gates. My fucking Austin gets anti-magic. Will gets the Sioux long form. Like I just, no. Mashel? Mashel, he, well, no, but that's a comedy. It's funny for him. I mean, Mashel gets comedy. Yeah, and my Mashel gets like fucking tune force. Dude, every time I'm like, I wanna show. Holy shit, is Mashel really fucking, is that the only example? That's the only good one. Mashel the only example of a fucking character who has none of the magic and keeps it. Every time I ask you, like, I love the idea of someone in a magical world with no magic and they have to use their wits. And you're always like, it's this show, and then they ruin it. It's this show, and then they ruin it. Like, just be clever about it. The second you give Will the ability to jump 40 feet in the sky and then dodge midair, it's like, what's the point? We just want Batman. We just want Batman. Yeah. We just, that's it. The model is there. Just don't give us fucking Batman who sits on the throne. Don't give us the Batman who laughs. Just give us Batman. There's a reason he's the most popular IP character in history. I was reading Kingdom, Volume 6, the other week. Where are you in Kingdom? Oh. You know what to say about Kingdom? You know, like, where are you ever in Kingdom? You know, because it's such a rich and vast universe. I truly barely scratched the surface, regardless of how much I've read. Of how much I've read. You know, like, there's so much more. I believe you truly barely scratched anything. Relative to where I began. You know, I'm, like, how could we even measure? Relatively to where I began. The same. The same, but like, you know, like even if I read 50 chapters, what's that 1%? You know, I don't have to give you manga. I can, there's a good will in walking distance of my house. I'm doing this to be nice. I'm gonna, I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna read it. Anyway, I'm reading Kingdom. I'm on Volume 6 and it's sick as hell. But they're doing like the same stick where like no one has powers in Kingdom. Whoa. It's like a Chinese Dynasty warrior. Yeah. Well, that's where I'm going. It's like, it's not so grounded as to be like a vagabond or a Vinland saga. Where like people are typically using like real tactics and are like not really super human. Well, Thorkel throws a horse. There, yeah, well, sometimes they do sprinkles. There's a little bit, he's tall though. Yeah. They do like sprinkles of like, not super human, but it's like, it makes it feel like someone's telling you a fable. Like I buy that like Vinland saga is being told to me by like generation upon generation where they're like, and then Dorfin came up upon the mightiest foe he's met yet. Thorkel, a man so strong he could punch a horse. You know? Kingdom is like one piece if there were no powers. Where like everyone's proportions are insane. And like, yeah, you'll see a guy like rip a horse in half with his bare hands. Like hell yeah, dude, straight down the middle. And it's not like that shocking. It's like someone will do that. And then you'll like, like they're, yeah, they're like literal monsters in kingdom, but it's just like a guy who was abused a little bit and that turned him 12 feet tall. Anyway, my point is we just got to a part where they're charging into war. We're in like our first war arc. And the main character's army is charging forward and the enemy army, which has a high ground, sets up a failings, which I'm sure both. Classic. Classic. Good failing stuff. It's like borderline and impenetrable technique. I mean, Calvary would like to have a conversation with that point, but yes. Unless you have horses. Yeah. Your front line is almost guaranteed to die. I don't understand. Even if you have horses, I mean, they're just. The horses will die. Yeah, it's just sacrificial horses, you know? It's like a failings, which is just a wall of shields and spears is so tough to get around without knowing that like your first two layers are just going to be corpses. 100%. And so they acknowledge that and our main character's in the front line and they're charging forward and you're like, oh, shit. This is like the critically acclaimed best tactics manga in the world in history. How are they going to get around what is like actually an impenetrable tactic to do? And it's, you know, the 15 year old protagonist jumps over it and they're like, how do you do that? And then he like cleaves a hole in the failings, which allows his team to go in. And pour in, of course. Like just don't give them superpowers. They come up with something. I'd love if he like. Give him two shields and he'll just go like, ah, give him two square shields and just like split the spears. Even, yeah, if he's like, yo, load me up with shields and I will sprint into them and then carve them up knowing I have a 10% chance of living. That's silly, but I buy that that is a tactic that maybe once happened. More than I cleared an eight foot double stack of shields. Yeah, like either that or I was expecting him to like do a baseball slide under it. Even that is pretty hard. Like two swords comes in, takes out their legs. But yeah, I just hate that where like the pitch is that this is like this hardcore militaristic shit. And then they're like, oh, the fucking Wanju is 11 feet tall and tearing people in half. 100%. Yeah. And this is the fucking, this is the like, oh my God, like, this is our war and peace here. Like this is like Sun Tzu's fucking war and peace. Yeah. I mean, kingdom is sick. I still recommend it. But again, I'm waiting for Vinland Saga is the closest I've gotten to a manga that will like is grounded enough that it still feels smart. Is being in a failings a top five male experience of all time? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bro! I have a question right there. You are on the money. Just you and 300 of your closest buddies. I felt like our soul resonance link up just now. Like I've never related to you more. I literally felt myself turning into a spear. Yeah. Don't be a spear. Please don't all break. I feel like it's gotta be like the hype is shit to see this army of people coming. And you're like, by default, I'm taking out most of them. I'm at the kebab some dudes here. You ever seen when they rotate where like you get some stabs in and then you like shift out the guys? No. If one of you goes down, so you're in like it'll be a top portion of spears covering for arrows and then the front portion of spears. Gotcha. And then if a front guy dies, the top guy goes down. And someone behind him becomes the new top. That's sick. That's so sick. It's impenetrable. I love what, yeah, that's how fucking 300 won. That's how you win 300 versus 300,000. Unless of course it was all. Well, they lost. Well, they held out long enough. That's not winning. They held out long enough. They arrested Athens, Athens and Sparta, got to send people after they were done praising Apollo, that cock. That's the real reason, do you know that? What? They can only send 300 people because there was, it was like a, it's like a week long holiday in ancient Greece where they weren't allowed to do anything like war related because they were busy, like worshiping Apollo. And so only Leonidas and 300 soldiers got sent because the rest of them were all like having this like holiday where war wasn't allowed. I'm gonna have to fact check this. I learned that from Rekord of Ragnarok. Then I'm definitely gonna have to fact check this. That's a real historical context. I learned this while he was fighting. Fuck, who was he fighting? Was it, was it Bezelbub? No, no, no. Is it from Alan Turing? No, no, no, no, Bezelbub fights Isaac Newton. Wait, no, Nikola Tesla. Who does Leon, oh, Leonidas fights Apollo. That's what it is. Okay. Yeah, that's hype. Dude, Rekord of Ragnarok was good this season. I know. It's so much fun. It's a bad show though. Oh, well, story is what we're talking about. Yeah, it's bad. This is really bad. This is, this is. I can't believe that his teacher is not dead. I was hyped when his teacher died. I was also hyped when his teacher, I was like, dude, we're killing everybody. I like that everyone's dying. I thought we were airing out the fucking room. I'm excited about what's after this. Like this is a weird. How do you come back from like, hey, Will, you're the speed of light. Can you killed thousands of things? The entire combined forces of all the mages fighting together could not do. I know, it feels like we have six episodes left and I'm excited for this feeling that season one was like the prologue. And now the show is kind of gonna be like radically different. Like, is he gonna build upon this form? Is this his equivalent of Super Saiyan one? And he has like three more versions? I think this might be like his final form that we just like don't see until the very end. Oh, that would suck. That's where I feel like it's going. I think they were like, wow, that was crazy. Never use that again. That was fucking nuts. I think people's ideas out here, Will. I'm very, I'm, this is an F episode for me. This is bad. F? It's a fat F, dude. I'm pissed about it. I giggled, so. That's all that matters. What's next? Um, witch hat? Listen up. That means you. Yes, you. We know you're pointing at yourself. When it comes to party power games, we've got a place made for all sorts. From the experts to the drama queens. It's me, the JC. The finance bros. Look at those stokes, lads. We'll stick with slots. It's what we're good at. And not forgetting you. Yes, you, the one listening. Because at party power games, we've got all sorts of games for all sorts of trickles. Eligibility rules in terms of conditions apply. Please come by responsibly. ATEMPLUS, CamelAware.org. Oh. Did you see Damon's? Is that bait? That's surely, that's surely that's bait. Are you, are you, is this, is this revenge? Are you, are you pulling a goof on me? They did this to me today. Okay, good. Did you see Damon's? This is the best episode of Damon's. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's the best episode of Damon's. It's the best episode of a slow show. It's a low bar. I like the fish. Fish is good. It's cool. Good fish. I like it when it's all of its teeth break. That's fun. Outside of that, I just said, I love how the anglerfish works. I love that they lure him out by turning the bait part into Asa. This is also episode four? Yes. Yes. Yeah, that is sick. The fish is a cool concept. I like that it spits out an entire arsenal of guns. That'll apparently work on your average day. Cause like left and right, we're like, oh, we're going to be harder to kill than that. We're made of stone. I can shoot stone. Can regular Damon's die from guns? That's a good point. Well, also this Damon spit up the guns. So they must be Damon guns, no? It look like regular guns to me. I, yes. Those are tipped with like, yeah, like silver Damon bullets. I don't know. Regardless, being like we're as strong as stone. Yeah. Not that strong. Not stronger than guns. You give me fucking 30 rounds in an AK. I'm fucking some stone up. Yeah, they shot a grenade at them. They shot many grenades. Yeah, I was, they were like, yeah, we're fine. I was like, just say you're made of spirit. Do you still feel that his Damon's are too powerful? And how do you feel about their fucking Raichu form? Love their furry form. That's fun. That's fun that they can just fly to Tokyo in a heartbeat. I would say if anything is not Raichu, it's closer to who's the one, who's the cat one, who's the bipedal cat one that everyone loves. Meowth? Not Meowth. Zora, Zora. Zora? Or Zora. Something like that. I know you're talking about. Yeah, it's closer to that. But it's fine. I said it tortoise in a hair is clever. I like, listen, I think that this show currently, Damon's, is for me as- Zora? That's the one. Yeah, yeah. Go on. It's for me what Sentence to be Hero was for you, where every episode of New Set of Damon's is like, every episode where a new set of Damon's is introduced, I go, I agree. Oh, that's clever. Oh, Angler, and then the Lord, oh, got it left, right, got it. Tortoise in the hair. And then the second they stop doing that, I'm gonna all be asleep. Like, I could be watching at 2 p.m., I'll be out like a light. I agree. This is more of a comedy anime than like- I don't say it. Right being like, help me! Help me! I was actually laughing. Yeah, that was funny. I do like the tortoise in the hair a bit. I like that the hair fucking swept his ankles. It was John Rabbit from JJK, dude. It was Megamy's Rabbit. That was cool. Yeah, I like, their alternate forms are interesting. So I can't tell what the material is. I can't tell if they're made of pure lightning or fur. Yeah, they're just like a staticky dog. He's like over pet a husky, that's what they are. But yeah, pretty cool, yeah, just a pretty cool episode of a pretty cool anime. It's an episode that introduces the Coggy Mori in a more like fleshed out sense. So we're like, oh, the Coggy Mori are now to us this morally ambiguous group, right? I think the Coggy Mori are supposed to be the good guys. I think that's the entire driving point of everything. Because like you have Gin, who seems like the, you know, your gruff, rough, cat like Colonel Mustang type. And then you have like, what? Do you think Asa is a humonculus? Not for real, but you know, I'm a full metal alchemist, they have alchemy and then alchemy history, but we'll call that the same thing. And the humonculi who just have like- Alchemy and alchemy history, don't do this to me. Don't do this. One uses the powers of father at the bottom of a mystery and the other uses the dragon's chi. And now guys, we're more focused on healing. All right, thank you very much. It's kinda awesome. How dare you be our comments. Oh my God, what a fucking idiot. I hope you slipped something up. I hope you fucked something up. I liked it, like actually Danny was closer. But in terms of like the world power system. They are in one bubble of the Venn diagram. And the humonculi have like their own unique powers that are not alchemy or alchohestry. Do you think Asa's like flicks are a unique power that is not related to- To daemons. To daemons. Because like how would it be, right? Cause like we don't see her interactively. We know that she can see daemons, but we haven't seen her daemons. Maybe. I mean, maybe we just aren't seeing them. We saw gobble eat a bunch of people before we saw the jaws. True. And they were getting gobbled. But she was, she's like honing it. And so you would think if they were like sentient things she could speak with. Yeah. And then head of the cocky moor it was like clean that up. And then the anglerfish ate it. And I was like, that's not at all what I would have wanted. The anglerfish is so cool. It's great. It's great. I love that it's teeth get broken. I love that Yuru throws a knife through them. That was a six sequence. That was really dope. I liked him being like, what do we do when we leave the latrine? Oh, turn off the lights. The screams all the lights out. That was fucking, it was the most action packed consequential episode of Daymont's I find. Definitely not like crazy interesting, but like still a definitive upward swing. Answer my question, Coward. I think so, yeah. It's a unique power. I think that's probably why I think she, like I think he's supposed to, I think they're supposed to represent two sides of the power system. They're twins. They're demons. Yeah. Cause like, cause oh, like he's left and she's right kind of thing. Yeah, maybe. It's like Damon on Damon crime. Yeah, I suppose. Crazy. It's all Damon on Damon crime. I've been fighting with Damon. It has been mostly Damon on Damon crime, dude. Fuckin, that, listen, I left the right we're getting warped by that tortoise in hair. What are your daemons? What's a one and another that you want? That's a great question. We should say who's each other's daemons would be. It's always mean. I was trying to think, I was trying to think of like legitimately. Okay. Man. Yap and shut up. Good. Cause do they have to be opposite? I don't know. The left and right, I guess that's opposite, but like torsion hairs, Torson hairs opposite. Angler and fish. Angler and fish. Boom. But that's like lore and like, it's like, cause it's usually the thing somebody wants and then a trap, you know? I think it could be like, like, I think if they, we don't know how far they stretch it. Yeah. Like angler fish is the biggest stretch we have. So far, top and bottom jaw, that's not opposite. That they become one thing. Like that's also a stretch. Those two, we've seen two categories of daemons. Yeah. There's Matt and daemon. Yeah. Of course. Awful. I felt like my brain on the train to be like, stop this joke. What's that? Matt Daemon. Literally for four weeks now, I've been like, what's the Matt Daemon joke? I'm gonna work it in there somehow. No, I blew it. There's two categories of daemons. Ben and Affleck. That's, I was gonna say. He made it. I was gonna say Matt and Ben, but yeah. But anyway, there is opposites, and then there is like two halves of them. Make a whole. Man. You'd be like, I wanna say it'd be like, it'd be like Thirst Trap. It'd be like Thirst, it'd be like. Endoscaled. Yeah, endoscaled. It's some introvert, extrovert combo, because you love people and you like are very like, conversationally competent, but you hate people and hate having conversations with them. Like there's a dichotomy in you. You know? Yeah, what are we thinking? Giz and bot. Yeah, dude, you're giz and bot. It is hard coming up with these. This is harder than Undead Unlock. Oh, are negator skills? Yeah, this reminds me of Undead Unlock, where it's like they have an unbelievably specific parameter where everything has to un some shit. Yeah, it's like you undie. You unlock, you un. There's like one that's like unwrot or something. Yeah. More like unheal and it's rotting, you know? There was literally so many fucking, there was so many fucking, that was a fun premise of a show. Yeah. You're like pomade and. I can't think of anything. Watch it. Yeah, you're like axe and spray. Yeah, something like that, dude. Like I can't even think of one not like representing like cat and dog, but that's boring. I love like top and bottom job. Top and bottom job is very good. Door and hinge. That counts what the fuck is it? That's like a portal guy. Door and hinge would be, that'd be pretty cool actually. You just open up, it'd be like the fucking, the manhole cover girl in gotcha, I'll get up. Yeah. You just rip it open portals. Door and hinge is pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty fun. Oh, wait, something to do with recording. Huh? Like you'd be like, oh man, like mouse. Oh, you could be like mouse and keyboard. With lock and key, mouse and keyboard's good. Yeah, we're in piss. Okay. No, okay. Okay. All right, what the fuck? I'm having fun here. Danny's play and commentary? Yeah, like a, yeah, watch and react. I was going to say like actor, actor cat, like like like the play, like it'd be a stage thing, right? But actor and what would you call somebody who goes to a play? Viewer? Customer, you know something like that? I don't fuck it up. Yeah. I don't fuck it up. Yeah. Play and play, right? Something like that? Yeah. What's yours? It's just, I'm trying to think of literally anything. Some of the book probably. This is like weirdly hard. Some of the book. Like learn and regurgitate. Something like that would be good. Absorb and expel. I like absorb and expel. Oh, that's good. That's real good. I like that. Good, good, good, good. But then it's, well, what's cool about it too, actually, and then we'll move on. Yes. Genuinely. Sure. I wasn't even thinking about this, so you have one that, that's like, a Kirby, if yours is absorb and expel, Oh, yeah, you have a Kirby that eats shit, Yeah, 100%. And then, another guy that spit stuff, it do, it, directly, into my brain, well, they, they, they, they, It don't always affect the person. No, that's fair. Like, Jaws is just. Actually, all of, literally all of them are external. Yeah. So yeah, I'd be like, yeah, like Kirby would suck it in and be connected. It'd be like ice climbers. They'd be like connected through an intestine, you know? It'd be like fucking, it'd be like, not she's in a, she's some of the vacuum girl from Hunter Hunter, just spitting that shit out. That'd be good, very good. All right, that brings us to... You ever see people who are like, the podcasters who do like, all right, these are sayings that don't actually exist. Oh, I don't say yeah. We should, we don't have to do it now, but maybe for the daemon's final. We're like, all right, here are daemons. All that don't actually exist. Because once I realized they have to be people, it became a lot more fun. Like I was like, what is door and hinge? You know, I know what door does, he opens portals. You're right, cause I was thinking about it like, oh, your ability, I was thinking about it as ability. Like, gotcha, I could. Not individual characters. Yeah. Then it becomes kind of cool. That is fun. I'll remind you, we should like, take some time and like come in with like a list of five. There's Jack and Black. For sure? Yeah, of course. One's got one guy's accord. One yanks it and one has shadow powers. Literally exactly. God damn it, Danny, that's good. That's great. Oh, at a certain point we're just making stands. Black is just always like, he's like, don't worry, I got this. And they're like, I'll be your kidding. It's like, I'm not sure what he does, but Black's super helpful. Black and white would be good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's genius. Black and white's good. And then what's the power? I feel like it's gotta be a shadow and blinding. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, it's like literally, it's like that guy from MHA who can like hide in the shadows and then it's like a fucking Krillin solar beam. Yeah, white can blind you. Yeah, do like sun and moon. Sun and moon is good. You gotta just think about like, oh, like Greek gods and like the dichotomy between them. Like sun and moon, oh, heaven and hell. Yeah. Oh, heaven and hell would be good. Yeah, I wonder if there's a heaven and hell one. That, you're right. Just keep them coming. You gotta think dichotomies. Right, this is like it's Pokemon. 100%. Every episode a new daemon. Yeah, that's all I need. Generally, as long as one new character is introduced and they're like, this is my combo, I'll be like, ah, it's clever. That's it, that's what this show is to me. Oh, what's next, Invincible? Invincible season four finale? Yeah. This is a medium episode. This is, I don't think that's a hot take. I don't think that's a hot take either. I have big feelings about this episode though. I bet. It's a medium episode, but all right, so first off, this isn't how it happens in the comic. I think you can attest to that. What part? Everything that we see from Mark on Earth doesn't happen in the comics. Basically in the comic, Mark gets to the planet, he's like, oh, it's safe. And then at that moment, like he doesn't see his cities on fire, but then he's like about to descend down to his city and Thrags like, haha, just kidding, I'm here. His PTSD. Yeah, and so everything, every sequence where we see Debbie get killed, where we see Eve get killed, where we see fucking XYZ, everybody in his life get killed, that's all added in the show, in just the show. Yes. I didn't like that at all. Yeah, I have pluses and minuses, I'll let you go. I think it's a cool way to depict what's going on with Mark. I think to build up to the idea of like, hey, Mark is going to like bend the knee, essentially here to Thrag, in the face of overwhelming, like it's like, oh, it does a really good job of being like, hey, Mark doesn't want to make this decision, Mark is broken right now. Yeah, by the time we get to Thrag, we buy that he makes this deal. Whereas, yeah, I agree, maybe without it. Cause I, last week, and then we'll get right back into your thing, I'm sorry I cut you off. You're completely fine. Last week, I've been anxious. Like, sure. Last week, I was like, there is a lot of bullshit on the horizon that I think the internet's going to hate. Judging by the stuff they've hated already. This was actually one of them, where I knew the Viltramites come and they're like, we're going to assimilate on earth. And when I read that in high school, I was like, this is the silliest shit. Like, go back to fighting him on site. It didn't bother me as much now. Maybe it was just like, I'm a high schooler and like, if I see a Viltramite talking to a Viltramite, I expect to fight. I never said, yeah, one of them should be bleeding now. I was expecting people to find this silly. I watched this with Josh. He didn't find it silly. The internet doesn't really find it silly. I don't find the premise silly at all. I think it's actually kind of a cool premise. It's like, oh, hey, like we, you are, I think it's like, also it's like, it's doubly cool on the fact that Mark is the reason. And that's something that Thraghammer's on. He's like, oh, you're the reason we know we can do this. And like, that's not his fault, but like it buys into this whole idea of Omniman being like, dude, when I found out you had powers, I started shitting it. Because like that means this planet is going to be conquesting. And like my family lives here, my pet lives here. Like I, like this is like, you are living proof. You can't destroy this planet. My pet lives here. My pet lives here. My pet that's gonna die in 50 years lives here. You are living proof that this planet could be taken over by the Viltramites and bring Viltramites back to life. Outside of that though, we've both talked at length about the death baiting problem in the show. This entire adding all of this adds to that exponentially. I, yeah, I mean the first one does for sure. I do, Debbie, I was like, I was like fucking, I paused the episode. I paused the episode and I was like, cause like she doesn't die in some fucking, she could bounce back from this way. She gets decapitated. I was like, that's the only thing that kills anyone in this show. But at the same time, when I still thought she was dead, I was like 30% chance she comes back from this. Yeah. So I agree that like it adds to, I think the premise comes off less silly because like we said, by the time we get to real Thrag, we're like fully in Mark's mind. And so we buy that he brokers his deal. I think it's like, yeah, the first one was tough to watch sitting next to Josh because I was like, he's gonna hate when he finds out this is a fake out, like whatever. That's not even the first fake out. Yeah. Cause the, yeah, them attacking. I think my issue was so horribly betrayed. Mind you, like you don't even really see that it's Mark memory. Like you don't see that it's Mark's memory. It just looks like Earth is attacked. And then it took me 30 minutes to get into this episode to realize that that was Mark's memory. I thought that they attacked. That's on you. I thought they attacked a different city. Cause like the city is not like, I'm not like so. Well, then they get to Earth and they're like, this is fine. There's a million cities. I thought they just attacked like China first. Yeah. I guess I was like, I wasn't like, Oh, that's Mark's hometown of which the skyline I have memorized. Like that's what they wanted. They wanted to be like, you know these streets. You've seen the, that's where Electro Man robbed the bank with his gay husband. Right. Like I don't remember these streets. And so like, I like, I see it. I'm like, Hey guys, just cause your hometown isn't actively being destroyed, doesn't mean, and then I see them like, be like, well, everything's fine. I'm like, turn the news on. Like the fuck it's like, it's like, is this no one, does no one know? I guess that's on you, but that's okay. The, I think by like the third one, because it keeps happening by like the third one. I'm like, okay, obviously this is a pattern. And then I kind of caught on that they're gonna like, Oh, and then he's gonna run into him and it's real. Yeah. I think the fantasies are too fucking long. Yeah. Especially by the time you get the gimmick. It's like, it's Gord porn. It's yeah, it's Gord porn. I love the Debbie one because he turns around and then she doesn't respond. And he turns background and he's silently holding her. And I'm like, oh, that, you don't even hear him. Enter the home. And that's sick as hell. But yeah, it's like by the third one, by the time it gets to like Cecil and it's like really extended, I'm like, I like, I don't need to see every single way a dude can be torn open. That's like, to me, I was like, oh, this is like fetish shit. I was like, this is just like, I was like, this is buying into the death baiting issue. And like, this is literal Gord porn. Like we're so desensitized to like fucking like, oh, Gory just violence this universe now, you know? I mean, yeah, I say literally every week, but like in the comic, those panels that are like outrageously Gory hit so hard because every issue of the comic is not that Gory. And yeah, it just keeps getting desensitized in the show. And then I think when he meets Thrag, I wish it was in public. I think that'd be really cool because him being like in the sky doesn't, like I kind of immediately know that this is the real one. I felt that personally, maybe you didn't, but like if he was just walking out and about in the street and he saw Thrag like buying a hot dog, I think that'd be really cool. Like Lucian and his fucking Steve Harvey outfit over there. Yeah, he's like, hold up. Would you like the one with the fucking leather jacket with the iPad or like big cigar and like biker babe? Journal cowl or Danielle or something like that. Yeah, that was funny. But yeah, I wish I was she ran into Thrag like in public and it was like, he really thinks it's fake Thrag. And so there is this moment of like, oh fuck no, this one's real. It's like, did Drake, is Drake going through what Michael Jackson went through right now? What's happening? Is that white Drake? Is that white Drake? What the fuck is happening here? He's doing that. He's like, is that white Drake? And he's like Thrag is literally an inch from him. And he's like, I hear you. I'm right here. Jesus, who is Drake? I like the idea more of like him watching Family Feud and it's like Steve Harvey's just way more ripped. Now he's like, Steve Harvey on the juice, what happened? He's like, what is your answer? And he's like, my husband, I will conquer your husband. It's like clear through the table. Yeah, what's happening? Steve, we gotta talk about pause. But yeah, I agree with like, it's the gore porn bit. Yes, there's a lot of elves unpacking this episode. What? How do you feel about them taking a little trip? Take a little trip, take a little trip. I'm gonna read you my exact notes here. I'm gonna read you my exact notes here. I said, she doesn't need to do anything, Nolan. This is such a crazy depiction of power dynamics and abusive relationships. Eve Thiccums, that was thrown in there. Oh God, what are you doing? And I said, Jesus, Donald, just start breaking shit. There we go. And I said, all this was for robot and monster girl. Oh great, Debbie and Nolan road trip. Oh God, she's a single? Um, what? They've been gone, how long? 10 months? Yeah. Happens. I mean, that there, and then immediately, immediately Omni-Man's like, hey, you ever seen, it's just romantic, dude. It's just, it's just, it's, they got two weeks to go see. Listen, I hooked up with Dorothy on a road trip. And now they're on a road trip. They're going to see their terminally ill bug-child. Your bastard child bug-child, the B squared child two weeks away. They gotta go to a different planet, Debussy and the stars for the first time. And Nolan's like, here, let me show you what Earth looks like from the moon. Now. I mean, my dude, Paul never stood a chance. He's suave, he's suave as hell. He's, I mean, oh listen, I love internal neck as much as the next guy, but your, your shooless ex-husband pulls up and he's like, you remember how good rigatoni is in Naples? And you're like, fucking, and then, all right, listen, Danny, I gotta, I gotta have a talk here. I gotta talk here. I have a note here. Listen, it's controversial. I said he only killed 2,341 people. It's less than 9-11 and we fund the UAE's defense system. What is UAE? The United Arab Emirates, Dubai. I see, I see. The people who paid for 9-11. I see. More people than Nolan did. I thought it was way more than 2,000. I also thought it was like the entire population of Chicago. We're also ignoring the planet's degeneracy. I know, they attacked first. I don't know what my outrage number is, but I found out today it's less, it's more than 2,341. It's a lot of people though. It's a lot of people. If I killed a handful of people, you'd still look at me different. But then if you're like, hey, by the way, I also have been fighting for the entire planet. I don't know, that's 2,341 people. It's less than I thought it was. I still think it's ridiculous that she's maybe getting back together with him. I don't remember. I'm not condoning it. But I just found something out about myself where I was like, that's not as many people as I thought I would be upset about. Yeah, it is lower than it seemed. It's a low ball estimate. This season was like, yeah, you still have 2,003. So I just saved 7 billion people. I just got air-bended. I got air-bended by Thrak. I think, yeah, I don't know. I hate that she's maybe getting back together with him. Oh, it's awful. It's really awful, especially because they like put so much extra work into Debbie in the show to just now still, it's like when an adaptation of something adds stuff and you think that it's gonna do this butterfly or domino effect where like, instead of going down the straight path, it takes a turn and you're like, oh, now we're doing this. This is gonna really affect the plot. But instead of like branching out and affecting every plot beat, it just goes back onto the path. Yeah, that was a weird blip. Yeah, exactly. Well, Abby and we're all in the same house again. Like I hate that. Like the last of us season two felt like that where they were like adding stuff but still just getting magnetized back onto the same path. It's like filler content in the anime. Yeah. Or it's like, whew. Where that ninja ostrich come from. Good thing we evaporated it with the laser that only existed in this arc. Yeah, we're the Norito's a robot for a minute. Yeah, good thing he self-destructed once we hit him with enough raw Sengons. But it's just like, yeah, they put all this work in a Debbie and made it seem like what? And this episode is especially weird about that because like Nolan, like there's a clear depiction of like the like the fuckness of the power dynamic. We're like, like Debbie is like, fuck you, get the fuck out of my house. And he's like, you're gonna stop acting like I don't exist. And it's like dog, she doesn't have to do fucking diddly. Like it was like, ew, like very clearly. Like not even like because like in a standard like male female relationship, there's a power dynamic with like size and weight and strength, that kind of thing. This is on a whole another level where like, not only is he confirmed to be a bad guy. I'm sure he's trying harder, but that doesn't mean she has to forgive him. And like sure, like, like, you know, you're trying to save the world. Like you killed a lot of people. And just because I like was surprised by the fact that the number was lower than I anticipated, doesn't mean that Debbie, like the woman you call the pet. I then told the guy who overheard it that actually she is a pet in all of her like fucking, like that doesn't, that doesn't change the fact that she doesn't have to do anything. She doesn't have to forgive you. And then immediately it's just like, okay, nevermind. She actually might forgive him. Yeah. When he zips in front of her and there's this like insane like where's Mark William moment. I was like, oh fuck. Like that's exciting. Like I like the idea. What's cool about Nolan and his redemption arc is like, he never has gone full like I'm saw we. Like he's apologizing, but he keep like, they never forget that he was like brought up with these ideals and you don't just lose that overnight. Like, like when he fights Thaddeus and he's like, you almost killed our whole race, our proud race, you know, like, and with this, there's that moment again where he's like, I'm sick of you squishy fragile little things acting like you can ignore me. And I love that that kind of conqueror side comes out of them. And I get that like there are like abusive dynamics like at play and like fear at play. But if you're gonna have Debbie like melt into him in this moment, I wanted an art moment where like the second he gets on the ship, she's like gasping and throwing up. Like I feel like we built up a Debbie that wouldn't put up with this shit. And we're just getting magnetized back into them getting back together because that's what the comic says. I wonder though, because if we have that art moment, there's a clear depiction of Debbie actually being afraid of him. And I think what the coolest part about Debbie's character over the course of the season is the fact that she's been time and time again, the person who was like, fuck you, fuck your shit. Kind of thing like art is like, hey buddy, yeah, let's have some beers. And like we see him stand up to him a little bit. He's like, I only costume heroes. But like Debbie's like, like, and he even that getting that out of him is like a fucking lot. But like Debbie's like, get the fuck out of my house and don't come back. That's fair. And so like, if there's that clear depiction of fear, it buys into that power dynamic. And like I do think there's altruistic reasons for her going to Telastria to go see Oliver. I don't necessarily think Omni-Man needs to go. I think if Omni-Man's needed anywhere, yeah it's on earth. It's on earth. That's fair. Like I get that that's his son. But like you can send Debbie, like Debbie's wanna raise them. You abandoned him with Debbie in the first place. I guess maybe someone has to fly the ship or whatever. I don't know. I don't know. Alan's wife, female fiance. I have no idea. What? Why Alan's fiance? I try to say fiance for some reason. Or at least girlfriend. Yeah, girlfriend, something like that. Dressed in fiance and female came out. But yeah, so they're gonna get back together. I think they absolutely fumbled Fat Eve. Oh. Have you seen what she looks like in the comics? No. She hardly looks different in the show and a lot of people are like addressing that. There's two types of people on the- Which canonically, by the way, based off Danny's type, Eve got a big boost. Relax. Big boost. You have a type. That's not what this is about. I just saying you have a type and that's what this, is this it? No. That was the first image I got of that. Can you, I'm trying to make like a real altruistic point here. Okay. Without sexualizing Eve for a second. I just thought it was the first image that got pulled up for me. You know, you've, all you've been talking about is sexualizing Eve. I'm sorry. Eve becomes in that she's my type. I thought she looked good. In the comic, they change like her whole facial structure. Like she looks radically different. Gotcha. You're Fat Eve. This right here. Yeah. Okay. She looks radically different in the comic. She does. And I mean like, I don't know what she looks like regularly in the comics. That's the issue here. I guess that's it. She looks like in the show. My point is they don't really change her face or anything. And they just kind of like gave her a little bit of weight. And they're like two people on the internet right now where people have like my stance where they're like, they didn't really commit fully to it. And then people who are making fun of her for her weight anyway. And like with fat jokes and fat phobia and stuff. And I think the fact that that's happening anyway. And she like hardly put on any weight. Gotcha. That is like, actually changed what she looks like. You know what I mean? That's very fair. It's weirder to do. Cause like there's nothing wrong with her being like, yo, I've been living with my parents for 10 months. I haven't been flying. I've been nervous. I just went through objectively one of the worst things a woman can go through. And I did it by myself. My dad's sick, all this. Like there's nothing wrong with her putting on weight or anything like that. And then we're having this conversation about her being like insecure in her body. And like she's like, oh, I've let myself go kind of thing. She's put on like 15 pounds. You know, it's like, Yeah. Well, I think it's like, you don't, you get the worst of all worlds where you get people, you get people making fun of her weight. And then also plus sized people don't really get the representation that like they could have gotten in making someone who's like actually like more plus sized. There's also something to be said about Mark not even noticing it. And like that's a more poignant talking point. If you're like, oh, hey, like she's actually put on like an identifiable amount of weight. In the comic, he's so into it. Oh yeah. I noticed they got that. It was like, it was like the fuck it, the cut all over being into lobsters and that. We need to make our characters less horny in general. They didn't cut all over being into lobsters. Yeah, it was like acknowledgement. It was like acknowledgement that he got fuzzy. Like I was like in the comic, it's like he sees a lobster and he gets hard. Does he? Oh yeah. It was like there's like a full sequence where they're at a restaurant. And he's like, I fucking a lobster. Yeah. But yeah, in the comic, maybe it comes up later. Like maybe it will come back. But like there is a bit where he's like, actually I don't mind if you keep on the weight. And he's like staring at her ass as she's changing. Good, good. This is great for me actually. It's funny because like I remember at the time and I'm sure when it came out in like 2008 or whatever. That's Robert Kirkman being like, this is so progressive of me. Like him, him being into her weight gain because he also talked about when that happened in the comics. Like at the time it is very progressive and still is, which is why I'm like, I have opinions on that Eve. But like he, I saw him talk about at the time when it came out in the comics, everyone was up in arms and he's like, oh, it's talking about like how it's insane that he can have a omniman massacre 2000 people and everyone's upset and Eve aborts a child and puts on a little weight. And people are like, that's irredeemable. Oh wow. Jesus fucked. That's so funny. Cause the discourse I've been getting is so different from any and all of the, I've gotten all slew of people being like, oh, people just being like, dude, she looks great. Like that's all I've gotten. And then people being like, I don't know, like a bunch of people like talking about, like yeah, the abortion's obviously like crazy, that kind of thing, but I've got none of like the negative. I guess that's why I was defensive. I was like, I was on the internet being like, and then that's basically been it. I guess so. And yeah, I guess that's why I'm like defensive towards the like plus sized Eve arc. Just because it is like, it's one of these progressive elements that invincible brings, not just in terms of like progressive politics, but like progressivism in comics where like comic book characters don't age. They don't put on or drop weight typically, you know? They only ever get buff. They go from skinny to buff. And so it's like, yeah, to do what feels like a half measure in the show feels like it's not taking full advantage of how cool it is that it happens in the comics. Does Eve ever lose the weight again or no? Who's to say? Who's to say? That's technically a spoiler. I guess. I feel like that's like, it's like, oh, like you lose the good guy points. And you're like, well, you know, she's not working out again, you know, like. Well, it's this thing. It's like a creative where she uses like her lipids or whatever. Using her power burns calories. And so that's her excuse is that she's like, I'm not using my powers because they were broken with the baby. And so that's why I put on a bunch of weight. Gotcha. Yeah. But. Interesting. How did you deal? I'll say that I had, obviously we have to, we have to what? As a whole. I was a whole? Unless you have more notes about invincible. I mean, well, obviously, now we're not dealing with the fact that like, there's like Viltramites, there's 40 or so Viltramites on the planet. And they're trying to knock as many humans up as possible kind of thing. And I was like, that's not great. Obviously, Mark didn't awake his powers for 18 years. Like, you have the amount of time you have to figure the shit out is ridiculous. Yeah. Fucking just have Mark start knocking out some babies. Like bring a fucking generation of kids around here to fight against those. You know? That's literally the plan. No, not Mark counter baby. That's what I'm saying. Mark counter baby. I see, I see. What do you think? Treat Mark like gang is con dude. Just fucking have him knocking up, building army of Viltramites, train them to be good people, reverse homelander them, kill the other guys. What do you think the plot is now that we've kind of put like the Viltramite war on hold? Because the Viltramite war is like the end game. Like once they sort that, that's kind of the end of invincible. Yeah. What do you think they're gonna do until then? And do you think it's gonna be like a 20 year time skip? I think there's gonna be, I think there's gonna be a three to four season run of General Nell leading a misfit group of bikers called the Sons of Anarchy. And they're gonna be like, they're gonna be into drugs. And then the old head of the Sons of Anarchy, he's gonna be this gruff guy, nice beard, but his hands are getting too shaky to hold onto the bike nowadays. The general Nell, it's not like plotting to take over. But you know, then like all of his baby mamas are always yelling at him, like why are you never home? He's like, I'm trying to earn you money on his motorcycle. Cause they're like maybe good guys, but they also sell drugs. You watched a lot of Sons of Anarchy. I feel like six eases. I've seen way too much Sons of Anarchy. And then we're gonna get Lucien trying to become a TV show host. And then Thrag is gonna pick up a somewhat successful SoundCloud rapping career. No, I don't know. I don't, I'm assuming it's gonna be like, Mark's gonna go to Cecil and he's gonna be like, Cecil, they're having babies. They're so hot, they're so hot. They're all of them are hot. And then I think Anisa's probably gonna stab a guy in the stomach or something. I don't know, everyone was looking at Anissa and they were like, damn, mommy. And she was like, I'm gonna kill these guys. And so I think she's gonna just start killing dudes. I don't know, I don't know. It's the weirdest. Cause how do you win? How do you win that fight? I'm assuming they're gonna hunt down Viltramites one by one, but then like, I'm fucking, then they're gonna find out. Like the second that they find out that one Viltramite's dead. You know, just fly through the planet. No, just literally fly, literally learn how to do it. They're like, oh, you did it with three. We could probably do it with like two. And that's GG. So I don't fucking, it's- You're gonna fly through the planet, find out hell is in the middle of it. You can be like, the hell is this? What is the, what the hell? Oh, that's where we got the word, it's here. And then fucking, I don't know. I think it's probably gonna have something to do with either hell. There's the mummy, the mummy took over. I have no fucking idea what's happening with the mummy. I don't know. I don't know where that's going. There's still a dragon out there somewhere. I'm sure they'll bring back the fucking professor who does earthquakes at some point. Martians. Doc Seismic. Doc Seismic, Martians are still around. I think season five is just gonna be invincible bullshit. I think it's just gonna be like eight episodes of villain of the week. And then at the end, they're gonna be like, well, they'll thrag out a baby. And then it's gonna be like, we gotta start killing babies, question mark. It's like the secret oars. If they ever did the secret oars, but I'd never solved the secret oars because they never adapted it. Okay. So I don't know. I don't- It's like this thing I vaguely heard about. I deal with secret oars is like they're shape shifters and they can be anywhere kind of thing. I have no idea. I think it's kind of dumb. I think it kills the plot momentum. You liked it. I think it's a fun mechanic. I just think it's hard to build on. Like I think it's like, I think it's a very like ambitious writing mechanic. And it's like the only way you can get out of it is kind of bullshit. We'll see. Like it's like either you mount another planet wide war or you hunt down the Viltramites one by one and just hope that nobody ever finds out about them. So like you replace them with shape shifters or something. Fucking like, I have no idea. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. All right, you wanna get to the actual good stuff of the week? Oh wait, how do you feel about invincible? I fucking said that. How do you feel about invincible as a whole? The season as a whole? Pretty good. I liked most of it. I liked episodes one through three a lot. Okay. When we were dealing with like his, whether or not he wants to kill. Yes. I mean, I like Conquest coming back for sure. But it is very much like, I guess it's just a means to get like 10 months to go by. Yep. It's crazy they never bring it up. Like Mark never comes back to earth and is like, hey Cecil, Conquest came back. What the fuck was that dude? He had a new arm and everything. Did you give him that? So like it was a cool fight. I liked it. I liked the first Conquest fight more. I didn't. I didn't like the fight. At all. Because it was icky. It was so icky. It was so icky. It was too much rope. Too much red rope. I like the episode where it's Oliver and Mark or not Mark, Oliver and Omni-Man. That's fine. Just eating bug sacks together. Just squirting it into Mark's mouth. I think I like this. It's probably my second or third favorite season. Okay. I think it goes three, either this or one. And then two. And then either this or one. And then two. And then two. Gotcha. Yeah. I think overall what I had 10, what would you give it? Eight? I was gonna give it 8.1. 8.1. It's like, it's good. It's good for invincible. I would say it's probably, I'd say it's probably Invincibles best season. It's Invincibles most aggravating season as well though. I think because Invincibles is trying to pull off so much from a plot perspective, it's a lot of Invincibles bullshit, but it's also packaged the best temperament. I like season three a lot. I liked the- The Anxtrum shit. Huh? Anxtrum shit. Mark War. Oh yeah, I like the Mark War. I like, what's a dude's name? Aaron Poles, Karen Poles. Oh, fucking Invinciple. Invinciple? Yeah. I like him a lot. I can't believe I don't remember his name. Man. Not Kill Switch, I'll tell you that. Yeah, it's the electric dude, whatever his name is. But I like that. I like the Conquest fight in season three a lot. I like, season three gives us Kid Oliver, which was cool. True. Gives us a blue suit. We get Thraxa, we get the Thraxa shit. We get the obiseration of Thraxa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, three is my favorite. Three is pretty good. I just think this one accomplished more. Well, I think the consequences felt dire this season. Like it felt like, oh, we're on the universal scale of the Viltramite War, which I appreciate it. All right, and then I'm gonna say our next thing we're gonna talk about is probably gonna be marriage talks. Yes. Yes. I forgot this was a show for a second. What do you mean? Like when you started saying marriage, I was like, do you watch marriage stories? 110, maybe, yeah, dude. I watched 51st dates, you'll love it. Yeah, yeah. You seen marriage story? No. Every day I wake up and I wish you were dead. Oh, that one, yes, I've seen that one, yeah. It's kind of a movie you watch once, and then you're like, eesh, all right, good. But yeah, I think marriage talks, it's the second best of the week. Just because Witch Out of Telly A is the best episode, and I don't think any, but there's very few things. Even from last season, that would have given that episode a run for its money. I'd actually, I'd love to compare this episode of Witch Out of Telly A to shit we watched last season, because it was fucking nuts. Marriage talks in as the unfortunate reality of coming out on Tuesdays. Ah, so. So you forget what happened. By the time we get here, it is out me head. Oh, you're out of, are you out of horchata? I have been, you took half of it. I did, I wanted some milkies. I got home, I had Nick order me horchata, and when I got here, Nick goes, I took half of it. You don't need all of that. I was just 32 ounce horchata, it's way too much milk. It's just 32 ounces of cinnamon milk. You're gonna die, you're gonna die of milk related death. I can fill it up, get you some milk water. Okay, thank you. It's a miracle. Yeah, marriage talks in comes out Tuesdays, so you forget what happens. Yeah, and I mean, this episode's just all about him saving. I actually really liked this episode. There's not an episode of marriage talks in, I haven't really liked. Yeah, episode three. This episode three, and it's centric on the battle between the main character, whose name I do not remember. Marriage. Marriage, and he's fighting talks in. He's fighting. Yeah. And she is the fight is fucking sick as hell. It's him just trying to crack her window. Like her like crack her like astronaut window because she comes from a breed of people that like fresh air burns their skin and shit. Crazy. Really crazy. So dope. She's got fucking like tornado water arms. The fights really cool. The water is incredibly well animated. Yes, it's awesome. Yeah, it's sick. I like her as a character. I like that she's like stays professional through the whole thing. I like that she lives. I like there's a conversation around the fact of like, oh, never fight another master unless you're being paid like five billion yen. And she's trying to buy him out of the fight in episode two. That was sick. Yeah, that's super cool. I love, it's like John Wick like society where they all are like freelancers and they all like respect each other's business. That's really cool. And we get the, like we find out more about the poison people and that like the closer they are to death, the more powerful they get. So he's got to like bane shoot himself up in the neck with like lethal poisons that make him super human. Yeah. And he climbs into her suit with like a needle, like sticks it through the hole in her suit, like her broken glass face. That was awesome. That should stick. And then after he gets to go on a date with baby shark. Baby shark and they go to the fucking the shark dirant. They go to the number one shark themed restaurant. And you're like, all right, yeah, no, this girl's on some kind of spectrum. I love her. She loves sharks a little too much. This whole fucking town does. They have to ride. They have to ride her boyfriend out of the mission. Well, that's the thing. She's on a date, but she's clearly fucking the shark. She's clearly fucking the shark or a shark. Yeah. So she's having sex with a shark. And then they go to like a baby shark themed rave or karaoke, I guess. I like his helper, like his gender fluid helper hacking into the thing. And it's like shark noise, shark noise. Ask her out, idiot. It'd be like, ask her like, like a whale. Ask her for a whale of a tail or something. And then everyone's like, can you not do this? It's just seducing them into their lap. It was good. So goddamn good. And I also love what I really appreciate. The premise is very funny where it's like, he has the white knight for a woman and then he takes her out on a date. And you're like, oh, that's such a fucking like dumb classic anime presence. And they had such a capacity to make it like, oh, this is gonna be like a harem building show kind of thing. Or like, oh, he uses his superpowers and every woman falls for him. I love that he's like a monogamous. He's like, I love her. I love her. And then his friend's like fucking like, we need to go on more dates. Like you can't go for the first person you ever talked to. I also love that like, he's in this position to ask her out. And he's like, will you be my friend? I like that too. Which I thought was awesome. Cause I was like, oh, what a capacity to love bomb her. Like, wow, she's in this like weakened, like kind of like Play-Doh in your hands phase. And he's like, I want to play this like the appropriate way. Let me put you first off, if I'm on a date with a girl and she's like, yeah, no, don't worry. I don't need to ride home. A member of my fan club is gonna come pick me up and drive me home. That's the last date. I'm sorry. If I'm on a date with Sabrina Carpenter and she's like, don't worry, my mega fans coming to pick me up. I'm like, that's, no, we're not doing it. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's toxic as hell. I also stop exploiting people. Yeah, it's like, oh, it's like, what, so you can sit in the back seat and be like, oh, how was your date with Mr. Man? You know, he's gonna be miserable the whole ride. I liked too that. Yeah, cause I knew where it was going, where she's like, we can't pay you with monies or anything else you want. And I'm like, ugh, don't ask her on a date. And they still do something like kind of weird and manipulative, but like quirky enough. We'll all go out together. Yeah, we'll just go get drinks. Like that's fine and like fair. And then yeah, I do like that. It caps off with him being like, will you be friends with me? And I like that she respects it. And she's like, I thought you're gonna ask for a date. And he wasn't like, I could have done that. He was like, no, well, I don't know who you are. Yeah, we are completing utter strangers. I have been trained on human interactions because everybody, remember in the beginning of this episode where they're walking down a hallway and they're like, this is kids studying. This is a family dinner. Did none of those people notice that one of their walls was glass? Other than they're like, oh, it's a one way mirror. Oh, who's got a wall length mirror in their house? That's a whole wall. Yeah, he was glass mirror. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah, what's happening over there? Oh, you know, it's just our glass wall. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes we hear talking on the other side. Yeah, don't throw stones. Yeah, yeah, don't know what that's about here, insane. Yeah, that is funny. But yeah, I like this just a good time. I just like this character. It's a good episode, it's a fun show. And he secures a second date. Secures a second date and he's gonna go rescue this other person. He's doing like security detail next week. When that episode comes out tomorrow and I'm so excited. I know Nick texted the group chat last week saying, happy marriage, toxin Tuesday. Yeah, baby, I'm making it, I'm making it a thing, toxin Tuesdays. Can you imagine you only almost watched? Wow, I'm just, my brain's not working. Can you believe you almost only watched Liars game? I truly would have doubted your ability to ever recommend me anime again. If what you had actually told me to watch was Liars game. I told this, it's just a great show. Yeah, Liars game, it's the best thing that's ever happened. You gotta watch Tomodachi game, you'll love it. Okay. It's like, it's just cheating and your friends are like fucking selling you out for money and you're putting your friends in debt so you can get out of debt, it's awesome. Sounds like the same thing. It sounds like the same thing, which is why I said Liars game is fucking Tomodachi game season two. The same thing, Tomodachi. From Tomodachi, which means friend in Japanese. All right, let's talk about the best thing this week. You didn't watch Liars game. You're right, neither did you. You know, Danny, you have no high horse to sit on because did you watch Liars game or Nippon Sengoku? Did you not, did you not welch at the immediate opportunity to not watch more anime? I'd agree or disagree that I know what welch means. The second that you were given, the second the door, the emergency exit, you saw a little rock holding it. Oh, you were clear out of the building, clear out of the building. It's nice, I won't lie. Danny, we're still an hour and 33 minutes into this. We got lots to chat about. All right, let's wrap her up. Which out of 10, yay? Episode four. Five, five. No, nice. Two episodes came out first week. And then three was the Dada reign. Uh-huh, next episode's episode six. Broom, boom, boom. You're right. Yep. Episode five. What'd you think? I just transcend it. It's insane. Like, it's, I don't even know how to describe this episode to somebody who hasn't watched it. It is one, the most female-centric written manga plot of all time. There is a, it's hilariously not, like, off the beaten path of Shonen, where the obviously last episode were getting traced around like a dragon. And like, where I was yelling at Koko, we're pissed, we're lost, there's a maze, we're in a labyrinth. And then in this episode, all the girls put their heads together and they're like, one, Koko, I love you, I'm sorry. You mean the world to me. And then they're like sharing cloaks with each other. They're like trying to comfort each other. They're building like little cloud forts. It's adorable. And then Koko's like, anybody else feel bad for the dragon? I saw it bonk its head. And I was like, I was just, I was just thinking how instead of fighting the dragon, we should just make it super duper comfy. You're even the comfy, you're even so comfy, you couldn't get out of bed. And the girls were like, you know what, that's all work together. And what's objectively one of the cooler sequences in Shonen or Saining, Magic Universe building. Yeah, Saining is still crazy, huh? Yeah, right, where it's like, it's a fucking, the product resolution is to make the fucking dragon take a nap at a Saining. And they're like, we're gonna do actual hard work in the confines of a power system and make this work. And we're gonna explain it in detail. That's gotta make sense. We're gonna fucking pulverize sand, collect it, use fire, use water, and build a gigantic re-auto fluffing bed for a dragon. And that sounds stupid. Well, imagine I packaged it with the best animated thing you've ever seen in your entire goddamn life. Now, is this what Dr. Stone is? No, Dr. Stone is, it's a bunch of hilariously thick women who haven't showered in months, but don't look at wearing, well, like it's funny, because some of the people have full suits on because they have people who can sew. But then the ones who got unlocked a little earlier, they still wear like stringy tunics, you know? I thought it was about science. That's my question. Well, yeah, no, no, I mean, they take the boat occasionally. But then it's also, you know. I didn't know it was so horny. Oh, it's horny. Really? Oh, it's horny. Oh, Dr. Stone's real horny dog. Oh, damn. Yeah. I thought it was science. It used to be about science. And now it's just about like sending ties or whatever is named to cut down an entire forest. Because they need to find like three gems. Yeah. Yeah, I'd fucking, this is such an episode. Yeah, they're like, Coco is like, well, what if we made the dragon a big bed? And then a guy is like, that's a stupid. And then my girl, Richie is like, I think that's a brilliant idea. Yeah. Lover. Yeah. Lover. When fucking Tetria or whatever her name is. Tetsia. Tets, I don't think you're right. It's Tetsuya. I don't think you're right. It's Tetsuya. Listen, I might be wrong on account of the fact that I've been for the last five episodes trying to figure out how to turn subtitles on while watching the dub. Cause I, cause your girl. Tetia. Tetia. Cause your girl. I said that. Cause when I said Tetia, you said Tatsuya. You said Taishima. Anyways, your girl fucking Huchika, fucking speaks in whispers, like she's speaking fucking, oh, it's a parcel tongue to Harry Potter. As long as you know you're actively gaslighting, that's all I care about. That's all. Yeah, 100%. But yeah, I needed subtitles for it. I can't figure out how to turn subtitles on while watching the dub. And I want to watch the dub cause I love all their voices. I got to the point where I accidentally turned on English AD. And it's like Coco runs into a dragon now. Didn't even know it was a thing they did. Yeah. I didn't even know it was a thing. Whenever you go to languages, this is the only anime on Crunchyroll I've ever seen with an AD option. And I'm assuming it's because not that much happens. Cause you can audio descript what's happening. No, I saw the Dora the Explorer movie, the live action one, lots happens. And that has an AD version. From the top. From just start at the very beginning and tell me how we got to this moment right here. And what mistake I made along the way that allowed me to be a part of it. Well, in September of 2020, September of 01. But a fucking, yeah, I watched the Dora the Explorer movie. Tons happens. Is Dwayne the Hrock Johnson in that one? No, but you'd think so. It feels like a Dwayne the Hrock Johnson movie. No, no one is really in it. Why did you know there's an AD version? Cause I watched the Dora the Explorer movie. Okay. And then I accidentally said it to AD. Good, good, good, good, good. So they were describing everything that was happening on screen. And Boots makes monkey noises. I fucking heard that, thank you. Yeah, AD is so confusing me. Cause obviously it's for like the visually impaired. Yes. But like, they talk over the characters. Do they? Well, yeah. I headed on for like- If they're doing stuff also. I headed on for like 30 seconds. And it was just like, like, I got hands the wand to Coco or something. Yeah, it's like, if the character is talking and doing an action, it'll talk over the talking. So it seems wildly confusing. So the description is more important than the people actually talking. I guess so. Unfortunately, people tend to be talking while shit's happening. But anyway, yeah, I love when Tetia fucking domain expansions Coco's ass. And then Rishi pops in and she's like, I'm coming in. Yeah. She's like, it's woven here. Anyways, so there's the cloud fort moment here. And like, we're building up Coco. We're like trying to make her like feel better about the fact. I like that we get a big like forgiveness moment from Tetia here. Like, I'm sorry I looked at you like that. And we're building out like this huge plan. And we have your girl, wait, no, Tetia. Wait, what's the blue ones? Rishi. Rishi's over there just fucking pounding out sigils, dude. She's got like the speed writing ability and all that. And they do such a good job of describing how they're going to do it. And you see like a gotten all of them like building out like the sequencing. They're like, oh, what if we use the lay of air? Or like, and then they're like, oh, we need something sturdy enough. And they're like, oh, like what about cotton? And we just be making a mattress. And like that seems like the kind of thing that you would be bored about. Like you would be like, oh, like fucking, I don't want to listen to these girls talk about how to. These specifically? Or they generally? Just like the general problem. I don't want these girls trying to figure out how to draw the best circle for 15 minutes. And they do such a good job of making it compelling. And so I like specifically wrote, I was like, I was like, what a cool and unique way to display action. Because like the dragon flops down on this bed. And like it's a very non-traditional closing. It's a very non-traditional closing to like this whole sequence with the dragon. Like you're like, oh, the dragon's still got its head. You're like, that's very rare for the dragon to be fucking walking away with this like full body. And then out of nowhere, you also get exactly what you get in a regular Shonen sequence. Or a Kweefree or Keefree falls in with his flying shoes. And he's just like blowing the dragon away with like a water dragon nine times its size. Yeah, it is funny that we get the like Hamtaro-esque conclusion of it. Where they like build a nice cozy pillow. And then the dragon turns into a dog and like snuggles into it. And then a goat starts falling. And the dragon's like fucking right up in her business. Yeah, it's like, oh never mind. If there's a child in danger, I can get out of bed here. Yeah. Maybe this dragon was just trying to save her. Perhaps. I mean, I was the mastermind behind making a bed that's going to fluff up forever for the thing. I thought the dragon was more sentient than like, or like more intelligent than they're making it out. Clearly not. Because well, when they built a bed, I was like, I don't think it's going to work. Because I think the dragon is the other witch. Because they do like a match cut in the last episode. Where the witch is like, now Coco, get tested or whatever. And they like morph into the dragon. Yeah. But I guess not. But yeah, dude, when the dragon fucking snaps at her, and then we get like this unnecessary like three minutes of animation. Yeah. I mean, like all of like, well, there's that. Like there's like the fucking dragon like drowning in fucking Gweefrey's spell or something like that. And then we get the sequence of Coco like being embraced by the mask, whatever, like mage or witch or whatever. And then being like, oh, you're my seed. I planted kind of thing. And it's like black and white, like sketchy representation of it all. Yeah, the city's like upside down. She's like falling up. It was like ridiculously artsy. And I was like, I look, I get that they knew that this was going to be popular. And I get that they knew that they had to match the vibe of like a beautiful manga. But like, I just don't understand how like season one is getting this much budget. It's all manga sales. I guess. It is. Is it that popular of a manga? Yeah. I get. It's also pre-dates JJK, which I didn't know. Like from the manga came out earlier than JJK. Yeah. I didn't know this was so fucking old. It's interesting that it took longer than JJK. But to me, that's indicative the manga sales weren't as good. I mean, JJK is like all time when it comes to manga sales. Well, yeah. But I mean, I guess that's like being like, oh, did, I don't know, fucking, what's a medium movie came out? That's like being like, oh, did K-pop demon hunters make a lot of money? I didn't think it made as much as Avatar. Well, I guess. Yeah. That's fair. It's like JJK is like the record breaking manga sales. But that being said, like the only thing that I could actively compare from a like, oh, animation standpoint would be the most recent season of JJK. So it's like you're getting a similar level of quality. One would assume that you're making a similar amount of money. Well, we also never know. I mean, sometimes it's like completely confusing. That's fair. Also, we're talking about Moppa versus Bug Films here. And this is the only thing that Bugs Films is working on. Well, the other thing is that Bug Films is also dumped in outrageous amount of money into an unproven manga before. True. It was on 100. But again, this I know which Ateteliay was popular like pre this. I'm looking into like like manga sale. Is which Ateteliay is manga done? That's the real question. It's not. And which had as monthly chat saying. Oh, gotcha. That changes things. JJK is weekly. This is monthly. They're saying that affects sales. I mean, I guess that makes sense. Because I was looking at the manga plus manga ratings. And it's not even top 40. But also, that wouldn't really like Borto is monthly. And it gets like accounted into that. Like whenever Borto comes out, it stays at the top for like a very, very long time. But yeah, which Ateteliay. Like Ichi the Witch is at number eight on Manga Plus right now. I'm so sick of hearing about Ichi the Witch. I don't know why. He might get in this. It's been popular for a while now. I would not be surprised if it got a anime adaptation. That being said, did you see the Kagrobachi? Anime trailer? That was going to be my news. That was going to be my news. Should we talk about it? It wasn't your news. Well, I was going to be my news. I'm transitioning. OK. Let's go the segue, Daniel. Are we done with Witch at? OK. Oh, oh, oh, wait. Hold up. No. Oh, because it's crazy. Do the fucking music cut. Yeah. Do the music cut was not. Yeah, not crazy. Keep free being like, like, you're not going to tell anyone about this. And he's like, well, we have a duty. And there's like this. And he just fucking stares at the dude. And it's like, it's like, I used in catching Ichigo's blade and stopping his OST. You don't know. For sure. We both love that. That's for all the listeners at home who like anime. It's like that moment where Kiefer just stares into this guy's soul and it's like fucking no more music for you. That scene was sick. I don't know what Kiefer's deal is. And I feel like he's the sanine. I like, I feel like I feel like this is going to have some fucking twist. And we're going to get like the like Kiefer is the Griffith or something, you know, that be sick. Yeah, I feel like we're going to get some like sliding bike. Sliding bike. Huh? Sliding bike, sliding motorcycle. Slide. Akira. Akira. We're going to get an Akira moment where like somebody gets like a like a fucking, you know, that was a good. I thought you were like, I don't know why. I thought you were doing some like, like reverting to when you were six and you're like, oops, sliding bike. You got a poopy. Yeah. Like something. Yeah. Like, like, like, like Pharaoh walking. There's dookie in my pants. I got to get out of here. Like, we're going out of here, guys. Ladies and gentlemen. Boom, boom. Oh, what was that? Short, full of shit. All right. Let me get out of here. All right. Oh boy. Good thing I'm on the good thing I'm on the black chair. Good stuff. Good stuff. What? Like the idea that you're like, good thing I'm on the black chair. My shit's been black. Well, doctor said I shouldn't be concerned unless it starts with like the other parts of this chair. There is, there is right in it. No, for sure. But yeah, I think somebody's going to get like, yeah, there's going to be like, so fucking like body distorting like, like biomech like spells out there that are just ruining people. Yeah. Well, they, I feel like they teased it when she contemplated a drawing glyphs like on the soles of her feet. Yeah. And they did like, they made it real intense and real uncomfortable. But yeah, dude, like they have to introduce like a tattoo artist. Genius. Right. Genius. Right. Yeah. I know there's like literally just like sigil and they can like slap it or something. Yeah. Like it's got to be like, like we talked about from FMAB. You're just like closing the circles with your hands. Either that or it'd be cool to have some kind of like sigil partially drawn on you. And like, you know that it'll fuck you up somehow. And so you have to do like the final line of it and like close the circle. And then it, you know, you do something sick, but you lose the arm. Gotcha. That'd be sick. Or like, yeah, it's like a huge like final explosion circle kind of thing. Like it's like, I'm done. Oh, I'm done. I'm out of here. They're shitting my pants. It's like Tim Robinson killing himself. I'm done. I could have been anybody. It could have been you fucking see later. I'm surprised you breezed over and we could finish this, but I'm surprised you breezed over just like Kefri's whole fucking flight when he broke into the clouds and lightning everywhere in shit. When he clears this, when he clears the sky, that was crazy. He does like the light Yagami, but from the heavens like. And then he's flying with a God and he's like, he was like, he's like, climb on. I need my hands. And he just, he just like finishes up a sigil real quick and then water dragon dude. Kefri is always like two milliseconds away from crashing out about something. 100%. He comes off as like this very dainty, like casual, cool as a cucumber dude. He loves being like, like when Coco wakes up, she's like the stairs. And he's like, your memory. What have they done to your memory? Coco like fucking dude. I was just unconscious for hours. So like the only memory issues I have are from lack of blood to the brain here. So what do you think is going on with the masked lady? I don't know. She must be. Well, I don't have. Coco is like it's a Kenjaku thing where she's like the daughter of like, you know, Rathool, the ancient demon lord. Or if Coco is just completely random and the masked woman was like, it's like a Ryuk thing where she's like, I'm going to introduce our magical secrets to mortals. Gotcha. And like was just like, oh, whatever random ass child comes to me. That's who I'm going to dump this way. Like it'll be like, oh, like you're like supposed to like live out some like prophecy where like a mortal learns the magic of the world and destroys it or something like that. Do you think it's she was selected at random? Or do you think it's like it had always had to be? Okay, I hope it's right. I do that. I think it'd be kind of cool if it's random. Like it was just like whoever came to her. Like it was like she was like, oh, whoever came to me is like that's who it's meant to be kind of thing. And I like the idea of like her being a Sasuke character where like she's getting like, you see it beginning to happen where like she's stuck between key free and this other like mystical magic woman who's trying to be like, listen, I hope this gave you the push you needed. Cause like she mastered learning how to make a fire spell under this specific scenario. So like there's clearly like a dark tutelage aspect happening which I very much like. Yeah. So yes, fun on that. All right. News. It's a trailer. It looks sick as fuck. Yeah, it looks really cool and unique. Like the art style is kind of like demon slayer ish, but like the story is kind of demon slayer ish. Yeah, it's like swords. Yeah. Oh, it's all sorts. It's swords. Yeah. The manga is so much fun. It's not a lot of trailer. Are you like caught up with the manga? I have tried a couple of times. I just so not that much fun. No, no, no, no, the manga is very fun. Whatever I'm reading and I'm enjoying myself. I just. I just I just happen to be at so much kingdom. I haven't been reading yet. I just been like in the world. I came to know I've been in the kingdom. Yeah, I've been I've been the feel to you know, I'm so I'm surfing it up. I'm I'm fiving it up. Thief. Maybe thief. I think it's thief. Yeah, you're surfing USA. I'm so I'm surfing in China. I like the idea that you're like a really obnoxious surf who loves surfing. Come on guys, we're surfing China. I like that doesn't get invented until like the 70s in Hawaii. What are you doing? We can't get that reference. Surf just means a dentured servitude until we all inevitably die. Yeah, 35. It looks pretty cool. I mean, it's an anime trailer, which means we get literally it's a teaser trailer, which means it's three like still frames. It never was. I've never heard of the production company, though. I don't even see who it was. Who is making the. I think it's dragon films. No. Right. Who? Oh, Danny, Danny, Danny. Well, I've never heard of dragon film. We created a vacuum. That was so tense. Oh, the Kaguramachi TV anime adaptation is being produced by Studio Sipic. Siped this dick. Oh, that's actually it's actually who it is. Studio Sipic, formerly Cygames Pictures. So that's the people who made Umamusume, I believe. They do that. They do Grandblue, which games. They do a lot of game stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They made their Siderail gray. And the director is Tetsuya Takahuchi, who was a key animator for Naruto. Wow. So that's Kaguramachi. All right, so we do our game. Or should we save it? We could do it. We don't have invincible talk about next week. That's the thing. Oh, do you have a best boy? Yeah, I do. I do have a best boy. My best boy this week, ladies and gentlemen, is Nikhil. So hung out with him at Fan Fest and I love that man. Me and him were drinking. He is a little bit more of a lightweight than I am. He was very cute. But he's very nice guy. I was hung out with Wafalo, saw Soups, saw Juju, hung out with a bunch of people here, brought Lani. And also my best boy this week is the actress who plays Nami in the One Piece live action because she looks exactly like Emily Rudd from a distance and she crushed it. Also, oh my god, I can't believe I didn't shot this out. Dude, Sanji Usobs actors in that show, sick. Actual three-sword, like Zoro. Zoro, like they do like slow time things. And like, he's like wielding three swords and Sanji's like hitting like parkour triple kicks. Dope as fuck. Dude, I meant to say this back when we talked about One Piece which we were supposed to do every week. I feel like the issue that I come across with like Zoro's fight scenes is that it's very clear that Mackinu isn't being given anyone who can keep up with him. Fair. Like he's really talented. He's a career swordsman. Yeah, he's like really talented and really good. And it's a lot of like just extras getting thrown around because they can't really like, I guess Zoro hasn't really gone up against someone who can like match him. Mihoch, but he had a fight with like a toothpick. That's the thing is like the Mihoch fight is very specifically to like supposed to just show the dichotomy. Yeah. I mean, if anything, you would get it from Toshigi. Like, but like Toshigi and Zoro, I don't think have had their fight yet. Yeah. It's just like, they're... Oh, Mr. One, I think would be the real answer. What's Mr. One? Mr. One's the dude with blade harms. Yeah, he's the guy with the... You get it, because they're arms and they hurt you. Blade harms. You crushed that. Thanks. Oh, I forgot about this guy. Yeah. Mr. One. Wow. Yeah. So, Zoro started to get the minority hunter allegations. Yeah, that's right. He pretty much exclusively fights people who are minorities. This guy's so boring for being Mr. One. I mean, yeah, it's fucking broke works. It's not the best part of One Piece. It's just the equivalent of having super strength, technically. Well, I mean, also your arms are blades. Stop calling them arms. I like harms. I like harms. I thought it was a mistake. No. They're harmful. They're my arms. They're their harms, they're blades. If that are harms. Why, harms? Because they're blade harms. That is worse. Yeah, I told you, dude, I like harms. All right, my best boy, what do I get up to? Something. It's always something. Your best boy is the fucking Anatoly group chat telling you to rip that shit off your car. Your best boy is the shortlist man who helped you rip it off your car. Yeah, my best boy is that guy who was not playing games before he helped me. No, he doesn't fuck around and play games. Um, yeah, I guess. Oh. You know who my best boy is? Spoilers ahead for Expedition 33's third act. Fucking Expedition 33. Beat it? Oh, I made it to Act 3. Okay. Everything's a painting. Sick twist. Such a sick twist. You're stuck in a painting and the painter is a grieving mother. And like, and then there's Renoir, who's a father trying to get his wife out of a world that she built to keep her son alive. And like, she selfishly made a copy of Verso and you're that copy of Verso and all the characters you know outside of my L are all just living in a painting. And they're, I'm gonna say too cool with it. I'm gonna say everyone's too cool. Like they all find out they're a fucking figment of imagination. And they're like, I still miss my husband. Oh, it's that or death, I guess. That's fair. It's that or being a good one. So I'm in Act 3 and all of my guys are like level 85. I am. You're ready for the end. I'm fighting Simone. I'm doing the, I'm doing like, I didn't know that there was like a patch dropped like the thank you patch. But I'm playing, I guess hypothetically the thank you patch right now. And so apparently. Verso's drafts. Yes. Verso's drafts and Renoir's drafts. And in Verso's drafts, you fight Osceo who has 40 million health. Like it is like, it is the gate. Like I, it is a very easy fight. It took me an hour and 20 minutes to beat it. I apparently I need to be picked. Oh, maxing. I gotta be picked. Oh, maxing fucking hardcore. You gotta be picked. Oh, maxing weeks ago. I know. But trust me, brother. I got second chance. I got cheater. I got combo attack. I got burning critical. I got fucking. I got it all. I got augmented free shot. I got it all baby. I'm ripping people apart. My CL, my Monoco useless. But oh my God. My Verso, my Verso, my Lunae and less so my Myel. My Myel is pretty important. But it's mostly my Verso or my Lunae. They rip. Yeah. They rip. And Simone might be the hardest boss that I'm fighting again. Awful. It's tough. So hard. It hits you for like minutes. Minutes at a time. It hits you for minutes at a time. And then he's like, I take all your chroma and then you have one health. And you're like, cool. And if you ever have shields, you just take some. And then if somebody dies and you don't bring them back immediately, gone. It's pretty brutal. He's so hard. It sucks. It's all I'm gonna do tonight probably. It's gonna be awful. That's sick. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I'm gonna play for three hours tonight. I don't like my chances at beating Simone. I straight up don't. It's like the game is such a shocking amount of content and the developers are like, we're gonna make more in this universe. And I'm like, I think you're out of shit. I think I have 50 hours in it right now. I haven't put 50 hours in a game since Elden Ring. You played a lot of Wukong, I thought. I played probably 20 hours of Wukong. Yeah, I didn't beat Wukong. I fucking, I even beat a souls like, I stopped playing Elden Ring on the last boss. Yeah, I do that sometimes. I did that to Sekiro. I got to the last boss and I was like, it wasn't that I found him too difficult. I just like, you're just done. I just got to him and I was like, I could beat you in like two hours. I just never found the motivation to. I did that with the last boss of Sekiro. He got into a second phase and I was like, I'm not doing this. I don't care. I beat it, essentially. Yeah, I was like, I got far enough. I beat the fucking, I beat the lion guy outside of here. I'm good. I mean, I've done enough. I've been playing a lot of armored core. Oh, hell he's six. Yeah, I beat it. You're supposed to beat it three times and I just beat it for the third time. Every new game plus it like adds bosses and stuff. Gotcha. And it also will be like, on the first playthrough, there are no decisions. And it will be like you drop into a mission and two other armored cores roll up. And they're like, is this the freelancer? All right, rookie, let's get it. And you all destroy a base together. Yeah. On new game plus, that'll happen. And then when they move on ahead, you'll get like a transmission coming in and a guy will be like, hey, I give you $40 million to kill those two idiots. And you can accept or decline. And then if you accept, it like changes the direction of the story. That sick as hell. Just kill those two guys. Absolutely. That's a lot of that's a lot of shmeckles. Yeah. That's why you play it three times because like you get all the choices. That's crazy. And get all the armored core parts. I've seen ranked matches from armored core and it's insane. It's all in like Dark Souls games. You are either attacking or you're defending and like waiting for your next attack. In armored core, you are attacking, moving, getting attacked and dodging all at the same time. It is over stimulation station. It's the fucking stroke simulator like gamer. Yeah. Crazy. Which me and Danny were watching before this. But all right guys, that is all. Oh wait, no, that brings us to our favorite section of today's episode, Love Letters. Or me and Danny pull the live audience, ask us a question here live that we answer on the podcast. So if you guys want to become members of the Patreon, you can do that for 4.99 a month. And we will be doing that, am I the asshole next week? Because we will not have invincible to talk about. Me and Danny are already two hours in the podcast here. So if you're excited for am I the asshole? And if you want to get also have it, you can also get that over on the Patreon. Who that asks, who would win in a fight? Five average Viltramites or five average Saiyans. So we're not talking about Vegeta. We're not talking about Thrag. We're talking about Bardock, maybe. I mean, Bardock's the high end of this. We're talking about Raditz. We're talking about the guy who was friends with Lucian who got killed by Space Racer. We're basically talking about Space Racer victims here. Or even, I mean, on the grand scan of all Viltramites, considering both of these planets got eviscerated, could also be five of the billions of Viltramites who died. Yeah. What are their feats? It's hard to tell because Robert Kirkman doesn't know what that means. What an average Viltramite means? Yeah. Well, I mean, Robert Kirkman doesn't understand power scaling. Yes. So they kind of just do whatever, whenever. Yeah. We know for a fact that none of the average Saiyan scale to planet level. On account of the fact that a planet level attack kills them all, right? Like Bardock tries to blow back Vegeta's like beam that blows up planet. Freezes? Freezes, yeah. Tries to blow back freezes like he does. Some iteration of a Kamehameha trying to blow back freezes laser, but like freezes layer that blows up planet Vegeta or planet Saiyan. Planet Vegeta. Planet Vegeta, so I thought. Oh God, we are in our credibility. I'm well known for not knowing Dragon Ball all that well. But he tries to fight back against it. That attack that wipes out all a planet Vegeta also kills all the Saiyans that aren't on planet or that are on planet. So they're below planet level. I'm assuming your average Viltramite is also below planet level. Yeah. I also, the fact that they can do key blasts though. That's big. And they all turn into gorillas. Yeah, all turn into a percentage of them. They all 100% of them do have a great ape transformation. It's a question of whether or not they can control said great ape transformation. Because even Napa never undergoes a great ape transformation. There's no moon when he gets there. There was because Pekalo destroyed the moon. Yeah. Vegeta has to make his own moon. I forgot about that. Also it's all silly. Also Napa gets his great ape form in Tenkai, Budiichi, two and three. Okay. Tenkai, Budiichi, Tenkai, Budiichi. Jesus Christ. From the top. Yeah. Let's go, Sass. Yay. But um, fucking, it's tough because like, I think key blasts. The range is undeniable. Yeah, it's such a advantage. And I think like even Vegeta, like we wanna say Napa is like an average Saiyan. Okay. Although Vegeta is the principal. Vegeta is the principal Saiyans. Vegeta's power level in the Saiyan saga is 18,000. Napa's is 4,000. Oh, so Napa. So Napa is something. Napa, right. It's, but regardless, I think there's still like faster than the speed of the eye. Hundreds, oh my God. Yeah, hundreds. And also the great ape form makes them 10 times stronger, canonically. So like Vegeta in his great ape form has a power level of 180,000. Napa would have 40,000. And so like if we're talking about a 10x multiplier for your average Saiyan, that feels like that's enough to get them over a Viltramite, right? Like a Viltramite is like at the highest level. We're talking Mark, we're talking Gadeus, we're talking Omni-Man. And they had to follow, they had to follow Space Racer's laser while working together simultaneously to destroy planet, like planet Viltram. Now I'm not saying the average Viltramite, like the average Viltramite probably wouldn't be able to do that. They probably would have died in the middle. And because those are upper enders, like they are just reaching like moon level. I'm like Piccolo is moon level. Piccolo do be blasted in the moon. And he can barely kill Raditz when he destroyed the moon. Exactly. Yeah, that's true. So like Raditz could destroy a moon. Raditz could destroy a moon. Theoretically. Yes. And I don't- I mean if Master Roshi can destroy the moon, yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, I guess a Viltramite could probably fly through the moon, but it's so random. Like it's so much harder to understand in invincible because you're like, oh, Mark's the upper echelon. Mark is constantly getting disemboweled by like seemingly random ass, like Yakuza thugs. But also all of the Viltramites that we see in invincible aren't technically average Viltramites because they're the ones who survived the Scourge virus. Well, if you're like- At least if you're going by their metrics. If you are saying average as in like a Viltramite accountant, then you have to also say like a Saiyan accountant. Like we mean average warrior. Okay, but still I'm talking about like, still if we're talking average Saiyan versus average Viltramite, we're talking about like both of these races before their planets were destroyed, right? So like the average Viltramite we see in invincible is a Viltramite who is strong enough to survive the Scourge virus. And so like that's not even those 50 or so aren't even average Viltramites. Why is it five on five? I don't know. Why wouldn't it just be one on one? Classic. Well, do we go- Strongest warrior. What was that show on Spike TV? The deadliest warrior? Deadliest classic deadliest warrior strategy here. Well, do we give Viltramites points because they're more strategic seemingly? Then Saiyans? Saiyans go one at a time. That's true. They are solo fighters. They show up to Earth and Vegeta's like Napa handle it. But you know what Saiyans have that Viltramites don't? Fusion. Fusion, A good, but also the longer they fight, the stronger they get. That's not true. Why they have to recover, that's it. Yeah, they have to recover. Well, you know, dog- That's not winning the fight dog. You okay, but you take, there's an intermission in the middle, you know? They have to recover because of their near death wounds. That's the Viltramites winning. Maybe, maybe, maybe. But maybe they've been to planetemic, you know, and maybe they know flying instant transmission. Well- Probably not. That's not an average, but like the Saiyans are, that's good point. They're single fighters. Well, it depends on if a Viltramite has key. Viltramite doesn't have key. Because- There's no verse equalization here. Okay, if there's no verse equalize, well, because people are getting mad because I saw Gojo versus Thrag going around. And people are like talking about Thrag's cursed energy. Because technically everyone has cursed energy if Gojo does. I see where you're- So, I hate, I hate- I see where your politics are. I hate verse equalization so much. Like fucking can Thrag fly through the infinity, that's it. Like don't be like, oh, what would his curse, what would his domain expansion look like? Like fuck off. I think it's less that and more like, if Naruto fights Goku. Yeah. We need to understand that what Goku calls Chi, Naruto calls Chakra. Yes. You know what I mean? But that's because there's a similar power system in both universes. But if, couldn't you say that Thrag flies because of cursed energy? Like it's not that he would know a domain expansion, it's that like, it's like tan? No. What about it? It's like tau, where everyone gets to this island and the dude's like, oh, I fucking can see because I sense ki and everyone's like, that's not ki, it's tau. Like everyone has these abilities and they learn that it's all the same thing. And they're like, oh, that's not Ninjutsu, it's tau. Yeah, I think that's how I interpret it. Where it's not that it's like, oh, Gojo versus Thrag, that means Thrag gets a domain expansion. No, it just means that if like Gojo has an ability where he can manipulate the cursed energy of an opponent, everyone in the fight has to technically have cursed energy. I mean, I guess, but Gojo, like in that one specific fight, obviously, Gojo doesn't have like manipulation, like he doesn't manipulate people's cursed energy. Well, I just mean, I think it's like a thing where it's like, if it's a rule of one universe, that this power system exists in every living being, then the guest also has to have that. Like Chakras in everyone. So if it's Noruto versus SpongeBob, SpongeBob has Chakras. Cursed energy is in everyone. That's the thing. Cursed energy is almost exclusively in Japanese people, and then they address it even further in Majulo when aliens show up with cursed energy, and they're like, well, that was weird. It's like very specifically, those aliens have cursed energy. All right. Yeah. They probably wouldn't be Thrag. So final, final sayings. I just think a 10x multiplier is more than enough to get them over. Yeah, they got that. And they also have Ki, which is like a big, Yeah. What's a Viltramite? Like a Viltramite's are losing dying to Space Racer. Yeah. Oh, heaven forbid, one of these Viltramites, one of these aliens bust out a Destructo disc. Yeah, also that's the thing. Ki is like anything. Like everyone thinks Dragon Ball is just laser blasts. Yeah. You can make clothes with Ki. Yeah. Like you can do fucking whatever, and Viltramites can only fly and be strong. You can turn the entire world into chocolate. Either you knew what he was like. Ki, it is one of the most fucking non-tentacle power systems that exist in. You can make ghosts. You can just make ghosts. What do you mean? Go tanks makes a bunch of ghosts. I don't remember that at all. Super ghost Kamikaze attack. It also has the word Kamikaze. Oh, goodness. That's usually the after effect of Kamikaze. Go tanks, ghost, it's the first thing. Brilliant, I figured it'd be like. It's what he's known for. He makes ghosts. Oh my God, you're right. I completely forgot about that. How did they come to that conclusion? He does a big donut power. Yeah, oh yeah. He throws a thing on you, you get trapped. Ghost comes and sucks you off. Is go tanks the weirdest? Is that the most throw away thing in Dragon Ball? It's that or say a man. It's go tanks or say a man. Probably say a man. I could even tell you what arc go tanks is in. Is that boo? Yeah. That's what I thought. Still. I think go tanks is less throw away than go 10. Because go 10 is just a vehicle for go 10. No, that's fair, just a vehicle. But then same with like, not like regular trunks. Regular trunks isn't all that important either. That whole generation, that's a lost generation. Future trunks, important character. Regular trunks. Kinda sucks. Yeah. Yeah. All right, we'll love you guys so much. We'll see you on the next one. Bye bye. Bye. And now for my next number, I'd like to return to the clutch.