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What is Your Emotional Money Score, The Highlights

21 min
Jan 1, 20264 months ago
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Summary

Suze Orman introduces the "Emotional Money Score," a 20-question assessment designed to help listeners understand how their emotions (fear, shame, and anger) influence their financial decisions. The episode emphasizes that true wealth requires mastering emotions and mindset, not just accumulating money, and provides a scoring framework to categorize listeners from "emotionally empowered" to "emotionally overwhelmed."

Insights
  • Emotional intelligence around money is a prerequisite for financial security; technical knowledge alone is insufficient without emotional control
  • Three core emotions—fear, shame, and anger—drive poor financial decisions like impulsive purchases and avoidance of financial planning
  • Implementing a pause-and-reflect practice before financial decisions can gradually shift control from emotions to conscious choice
  • Financial behavior is interconnected with overall life patterns; money management struggles often reflect broader relationship and decision-making issues
  • Self-awareness through structured assessment is the first step toward behavioral change in personal finance
Trends
Growing emphasis on behavioral finance and emotional intelligence in personal finance educationShift from product-focused financial advice to psychology-focused financial wellness coachingIncreased focus on emergency savings and financial resilience as foundational security measuresIntegration of mindfulness and emotional awareness practices into financial planning frameworksRecognition that financial anxiety and avoidance are widespread behavioral barriers to wealth-building
Topics
Emotional Money Score AssessmentFear, Shame, and Anger as Financial ObstaclesEmergency Savings AccountsImpulse Spending and Emotional TriggersFinancial Decision-Making Under StressDebt Management and AnxietyRetirement Savings ConfidenceFinancial Goal-Setting and Follow-ThroughSalary Negotiation ConfidenceFinancial Communication with FamilyJob Loss Financial PreparednessBehavioral Change and Financial HabitsTrue Wealth vs. Money AccumulationFinancial Avoidance PatternsMindset and Financial Destiny
Companies
Alliant Credit Union
Sponsor offering Ultimate Opportunity Savings Account; promoted as essential for emergency fund foundation
SecureSave
Co-founded by Suze Orman; offers employee and employer benefits for financial wellness
People
Suze Orman
Host and financial expert; presents 20-question emotional money assessment framework and financial psychology insights
Robert
Podcast producer; introduces episode and provides context about hosts' life changes and New Year timing
KT
Co-host mentioned as having recently changed their life alongside Suze Orman
Iyanla Vanzant
Referenced for her famous phrase "just take a breath" from Oprah appearances; used as motivational reference
Quotes
"You and your money are one. The internal obstacles to wealth are fear, shame, and anger. Those are the three emotions that rule you."
Suze OrmanEarly in episode
"Until you understand and feel it, feel the truth of it, that fear, shame, and anger are the internal obstacles to wealth, until you get that and you then recognize, oh, those are my emotions, but they don't have to control me. I can control them. I don't think you'll ever have what I call true wealth."
Suze OrmanCore thesis section
"Money alone isn't the key to true financial freedom. It's just not. It's your mindset, your emotions, and your willingness to face the truth."
Suze OrmanMid-episode
"Every decision you make, every action that you take, especially when it comes to your money, just stop. Just stop for one second before you do it. And I want you to take note in terms of how you are feeling, why you are about to do what you are about to do."
Suze OrmanActionable advice section
"People first, then money, then things."
Suze OrmanEpisode conclusion
Full Transcript
Hi, everybody. Suzy O here now. What is the goal of money? The goal of money is for you to be secure. And there is no better way for you to be secure than having an emergency savings account. It is essential for your financial foundation. So all of you should be participating in the Ultimate Opportunity Savings Account at Alliant Credit Union. Go to myalliant.com to find out more and be secure. January 1st, 2026. Happy New Year and welcome to the Women and Money podcast as well as everyone smart enough to listen. Robert, the producer back here with you. As you know, Susie and KT have just changed their whole life. So they thought it was a good idea to start anew this Sunday, January 4th. Plus, today is New Year's Day, and hopefully you had a wonderful time last night and were safe. Maybe you're a little tired today. Lord knows I am. Maybe you're reflecting and planning this new year. So what we're going to do is play for you highlights from an episode that can help you set your money mind as we start 2026. Enjoy. Today is Suzy School. And it's a different kind of Suzy School today, although we've had a few like this in the past. Today is a day where it is essential that you take out either your Suzy notebooks, or if you happen to be walking, if you're jogging, if you're driving, just put this podcast on pause right now. Because I only want you to listen to this podcast if you have a piece of paper and a pencil in front of you so that you can record your answer to the 20 questions that I am about to ask you. Now, I know, I get it. A lot of you just love when I talk about the stock market and this and that. I get that. But this podcast, this particular one, may be 10 times more important than any prediction or recommendation or whatever I could ever give you. Because here's the bottom line when it comes to your money. How many times have I said to you, number one, you and your money are one. We know that. You've heard that. You're tired of me even saying it. How many times have you heard me say that the internal obstacles to wealth are fear, shame, and anger? Those are the three emotions that rule you. You buy when you should be selling. You sell when you should be buying. You go out and buy a new car when you know you can't afford a new car. You go to the store and you see things and you see a white turtleneck and you buy it even though you already have five because it's on sale. Over the 40 years that I've been doing this, everybody, I can tell you that until you understand what I just said, until you understand and feel it, feel the truth of it, that fear, shame, and anger are the internal obstacles to wealth, until you get that and you then recognize, oh, those are my emotions, but they don't have to control me. I can control them. That I don't think you'll ever have what I call true wealth. I just don't. That is a truth that I need you to face. So today we are going to have a podcast where you're going to find out what is your emotional money score. And it's important to really know, are you in control of your emotions or are your emotions still currently in control of you? because you have to get that money alone isn't the key to true financial freedom. It's just not. It's your mindset, your emotions, and your willingness to face the truth. The truth that really everybody can unlock the power for you to control your money. And when you control your money versus your emotions controlling your money, you also own the power to control your destiny. So here's how this is going to work. I am going to ask you 20 questions, and there will be four answers, A, B, C, or D. All you have to do is write down which letter corresponds to the answer that you most relate to. That's it. And then I'll tell you how we go from there. So are you ready to begin? All right, let's start. When you think about your finances, which emotion do you feel most often A calm and in control B anxious or fearful C indifferent or avoidant Or D, excited but sometimes impulsive. Write down which letter corresponds to your answer. Now, I know a lot of you are. Can you repeat that, Susie? I want you, as soon as you hear the response that you really relate to, just write down the letter. Don't go so deep into this. All right. Just because that was the very first question, I will read it again. Ready? When you think about your finances, which emotion do you feel most often? All right. Listen carefully now? A, calm and in control. B, anxious or fearful. C, indifferent or avoidant. D, excited, but sometimes impulsive. Just write down the letter. Two, if the stock market drops or the economy is about to implode, how do you react? A, I stick to my plan and I don't panic. B. I worry and consider making rash changes. C. I ignore it and hope for the best. Or D. I feel a rush and want to act quickly. Number three, when you want to make a big purchase, what's your process? A. I evaluate if it's a need or a want and act accordingly. B. I often buy it just to feel better than regret it. C. I avoid thinking about it until the last minute. Or D. I buy first and figure out the consequences later. Four. Do you have an emergency fun? A. Yes, and I contribute to it regularly. B. I do, but it falls far short of what I know I need. C. No, I keep putting it off. And D. I save only when I am financially afraid. Five. How do you feel about discussing money with loved ones? A. Comfortable and open. B, nervous or ashamed. C, I avoid it. D, I dominate the conversation or use money to impress others. Six, if you experience a financial setback, what is your first response? A, I assess the situation calmly and make a plan. B, I panic and feel overwhelmed. C. I ignore it, hoping it will resolve itself. And D. I blame myself or others and act impulsively. Seven. Do you believe having more money would solve your problems? A. No. I know happiness and security come from within. B. Yes, I often think more money would fix everything. C. I don't know. I avoid thinking about it. D. Sometimes, but I also know I need to change my habits. Eight. How do you feel when you see others spending money on things that you want but can't afford? A. I'm happy for them and content with my own choices. B. I'm jealous or resentful. C. I try not to think about it. D. I sometimes overspend just to keep up. Nine. When you receive unexpected money, like a bonus or a gift or a tax refund, what is your first instinct? A. You save or invest it. B. You spend it quickly. C. You let it sit, unsure what to do. And D. You treat yourself, then worry about the rest. 10. How do you approach setting financial goals? A. I set clear, realistic goals and track my progress. B. I set goals but rarely follow through. C. I avoid setting goals because it feels overwhelming. D, I set ambitious goals, but get distracted by new desires. Okay, you're halfway there. How you doing, everybody? Are you writing down the letter, just the letter that corresponds to your answer? You should know the answer immediately when you hear it. Do not give it a lot of thought. Just know what you respond to and write it down. All right. Eleven, if you make a financial mistake. How do you handle it? A, I learn from it and I adjust my behavior. B I dwell on it and feel guilty C I ignore it and hope it goes away And D I blame myself harshly or repeat the mistake 12 What your attitude towards debt? A, I avoid it or pay it off quickly. B, I feel anxious or ashamed about it. C, I ignore it and hope it won't catch up to me. Or D, I use debt to get what I want now, then worry later. 13. How often do you check your bank accounts or your credit union accounts or your money account balances? A, regularly as part of my routine. B, only when I'm worried. C, rarely or never. or D, when I feel like spending or after a splurge. 14. How do you feel about your current savings for retirement? A, I'm confident and on track. B, I'm worried because I'm falling behind. C, I don't know how much I have. D, I keep meaning to start but haven't. 15. When you receive a bill or a financial statement, what's your reaction? A. I open and review it right away. B. I feel anxious, but open it eventually. C. I avoid opening it as long as possible. D. I ignore it until there's a problem. 16. How do you make decisions about lending or giving money to a friend or family member. A, I set clear boundaries and stick to them. B, I feel guilty saying no. C, I avoid the conversation. D, I often say yes, even when I shouldn't. 17. How do you feel about negotiating your salary? A. Comfortable and assertive. B. Nervous, but try anyway. C. I avoid it. Or D. I get aggressive or emotional. 18. If you lost your job tomorrow, how would you cope financially and emotionally? A. I have a plan and would stay calm. B. I'd panic but try to figure it out. C. I'd feel lost and overwhelmed. And D. I'd blame myself or others and act impulsively. 19. How do you react when someone offers you financial advice? A, open-minded and willing to learn. B, defensive or embarrassed. C, I tune out or avoid the conversation. And D, I get argumentative or dismissive. And the very last question is, what's your overall feeling about your financial future? A, hopeful and proactive. B, worried, but trying to improve. C, uncertain and avoidant. And D, optimistic, but sometimes unrealistic. All right. That was all 20 questions. Take a breath. Do you know who Yama Vonsant is? She used to be on the Oprah show all the time. She used to look in the camera and say, just take a breath. All right. Next here is what I want you to do. You should have 20 letters in front of you. For every A that you have, I want you to give it three points. For every B that you have, I want you to give it one point. For every C that you have, I want you to give it zero points. and for every D that you have, I want you to give it two points. So for instance, if you happen to have 20 A's, the maximum score would be obviously 60 points. Right now, I want you to look at your answers and I want you to total up what your score happens to be because you now are about to find out what your emotional money score is. Are you ready? Here we go. If you happen to have scored between 50 and 60 points, you are what I call emotionally empowered. For really, you have mastered your emotions because you're making wise, confident financial decisions. So you should feel so good about yourself. It's not even funny. Anywhere from 30 to 49, you're what I call emotionally aware. Now you're aware about your emotions. So you're growing in that self-awareness. you making some progress but you still are learning to manage your emotions around money So even though you aware you not yet emotionally empowered Am I making sense Between 15 and 29 you're what I call emotionally reactive. You're somebody whose financial decisions usually are driven by fear, anxiety. Maybe you're impulsive, but you are reactive to how you are feeling at the moment. Chances are, if you're angry, you'll probably go out and buy something you don't even need or want. And between zero or 14, you're what I call emotionally overwhelmed. You feel overwhelmed. You absolutely lack confidence or hope about your finances. Your emotions are overwhelming you and ruling your life. And I'm sure it's not just ruling your life when it comes to your money. I'm sure it's ruling your life with your children, with your relationships, with everything around you. Now you know your emotional money score. So you're like, well, now what do I do, Susie? So what good does that do me? This should serve as a wake up call. Seriously. A wake up call, especially if you're in the bottom two categories here. Every decision you make, every action that you take, especially when it comes to your money, just stop. Just stop for one second before you do it. And I want you to take note in terms of how you are feeling, why you are about to do what you are about to do. I want you to ask yourself that question. I also want you to postpone doing it for that day. If you're going shopping and you're about to buy something, rather than buying it at that moment, can you just ask the person to hold it for you and you'll be back tomorrow? and see if you have a desire to go back the next day. If you want to do something, I don't care what it is, let's go out to eat. Let's do this. Let's do that. I just want you to stop for a second and just see if you can tune in to how you are feeling at that moment in time. If you are feeling like you're ashamed, if you feel like you're angry, if you feel like you're afraid, any of those emotions or any other emotion you may be feeling, can you just stop and just postpone it for a few hours or a day, but at least be aware of where that impulse to do something is coming from. Once you start to see it, recognize it, now you're like, oh, that's why I did that. Oh, I get it now. And little by little, you start to have control over your emotions versus your emotions having control over you. That brings us to the conclusion of another Susie School. There's only one thing that I want to remember when it comes to your money, and it is this. People first, then money, then things. Now you stay safe. Hi, everybody. Suzy Oh here. And I have to tell all of you, there is one benefit that I know all of you need and your corporations need to offer. And it comes from a company that I helped co-found over five years ago by the name of SecureSave. So whether you're an employee or an employer, I want you to go to securesave.com slash Suzy, S-U-Z-E, and take a look at what I have for you there. I promise you, you're going to like it. All right now. Neither Suzy Orman Media nor Suzy Orman is acting as a certified financial planner, advisor, a certified financial analyst, an economist, CPA, accountant, or lawyer. Neither Suzy Orman Media nor Suzy Orman make any recommendations as to any specific securities or investments. All content contained in this podcast is for informational and general purposes only and does not constitute financial accounting or legal advice. You should consult your own tax, legal, and financial advisors regarding your particular situation. Neither Suzy Orman Media nor Suzy Orman accepts any responsibility for any losses which may arise from accessing or reliance on information in this podcast. 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