Stop Buying Rentals and Start Buying Rental Portfolios (Scale Much Faster)

If you want financial freedom faster, you need to stop buying rentals and start buying rental portfolios. Imagine if instead of buying two rental properties, you could buy 10 at a time. How quickly could you replace your income then? Jose Martinez did it in just four years without any experience, special skills, or creative financing. Using a special type of loan that only small banks provide, Jose was able to buy 28 units in only two deals with less than 5% down. Now he's replaced his income and is full-time in real estate. He went from waiter who spoke no English to owning over 50 rental units. His source for deals? A mentor landlord who showed him the ropes and sold him the properties. Your path to scaling is probably closer than you think, and so is financial freedom. What's going on, everybody? I'm Henry Washington, and today on the podcast, we have an investor story with Jose Martinez from Albany, Georgia. Jose is going to tell us how he went from waiting tables to owning more than 50 rental units in only four years. So let's bring him on. Mr. Jose Martinez, how are you, buddy? I'm doing good. How about you, Mr. Henry? Great, man. I appreciate you being here. I just wanted to start with a little bit about your background. So tell us how you got into this real estate thing. So I came from the Dominican Republic. That was like probably 11 years ago. I used to play baseball. So that's how I got to the States. I came here, no English. I didn't know basically anybody. I came directly to a city where I live now, but I was always curious of learning and listening. Podcasts like this, like you guys put out there, which is gold for me and free on top of that. But anyway, so 2022, I bought my first Quaplex. Okay. And from there, man, I just started going. What city are you in? So I'm actually in Albany, Georgia right now. Albany, Georgia. So you come from Dominican Republic to play baseball. You don't know English. Correct. You play some baseball. You pick up the language. And then you're like, hey, this real estate thing sounds interesting. And you decide to start with a quadplex. So tell us about that deal. Where did you just find a quadplex to pick up? Man, I was watching videos from you guys. You know, that bug start going in your head. Like if you buy this many units, you have to make sure it's a real cash flow. It's not cash flow. But on my end, being 100% honest, I didn't know anything I was doing when I got Aquaplex. I didn't know anything about interest rate. I didn't know anything about who was my tenants in there. I mean, I just got in it. And my first experience doing an ambition was my first deal. So as soon as I got that deal, I had to do an ambition. And I learned with that, that really, when you put your hands on it, it's really when you start learning. I mean, you'll never be ready if you wait, really. Okay. So you bought this quadplex. How much did you pay for it? So at the time it was around $330,000. The quadplex needed some work, bought it without even having any contractors. I didn't know anything about fixing or anything like that. That's correct. Okay. And how much money did you end up having to spend on fixing that thing up? I spent right around $20,000 fixing this quadplex, making it look better as far as appearance, getting the tenant out, getting the unit ready. It was around that much money I spent. So you paid $330,000, you got about $20,000 into it. So you're all in it $350,000. How much were the rents? So at the time, the rents were like $450,000. So I bought a value add without even knowing I had a value add. So really, it's crazy because so far, that's been one of my best deals. Okay. What's it renting for? So right now it's $1,195 each unit. I mean, that's pretty good. You're all in for $350. You've got $4,800 a month coming in. That sounds like positive cashflow to me. And you bought that deal on the market, albeit it was back in 2022. But still, there's still great deals on the market people can find today. Tell us how you financed that deal. What kind of loan did you get? So at the regular conventional loan, I put, it was like 15% down, I think I got on that property. For me, it was like a lot of money at the time because I was like, it really empty. You know, I had to go to my bank account in here or there, pull some money from everywhere. But I was able to buy it and it was 15% now. You spent about 20 grand on a renovation. Now, did you end up doing some of that work yourself or did you hire it out? How was the process of getting that renovated? I was there when my wife was helping me in cleaning. So yeah, that was, yes. Then I got some friend of mine. I got some construction knowledge and I, Hey man, I need you here. I need to, you know, help me out to do this toilet. You just got to teach me. I want to learn how to do this. And, and it really was, uh, like I said, it was a blast because I was able to get help from close people to actually do some things out. That's why I ended up spending less money. Okay. Yeah. Cause I was going to say 20 grand seems like not a ton of money to renovate a four unit, but if you're doing a lot of the work yourself and you're calling in favors from friends and paying them in pizza and beer. I guess you can get it done a little bit faster, a little bit cheaper. Okay. Well, it sounds like you went through the real estate investor ringer on your first deal, found something, hustled, put in the sweat equity, put the money down. I mean, that's a solid, I mean, it sounds like a solid base hit or a double. You're making great cash flow right now. So how did you transition from that deal into your next deal? So from there, It took me a while because I bought real estate just for buying real estate. I was like, like I say, oh, let me see what it is like. So I wasn't even counting on the money that was coming in from the properties. So I was just collecting rents, keeping a little cash flow and just, you know, paying the loan. But then, like I say, everything happened for a reason. I remember I started going to the gym 5 a.m. for some reason. I said, you know what? I want to go to the gym early in the morning. and I remember at the sauna, I met a guy. So this guy owns over 150 properties and we were just talking. I was like, man, you know, that's interesting. And the thing is that eventually I see some properties that come on the market. This guy is selling basically his whole portfolio. And I call him and be like, hey, so are you selling properties right now? And he was like, yeah, yeah. And I want to buy a duplex. I told him, he said, no, you don't need to buy a duplex. Buy 10 or 15 houses from me. And I'm like, there is no way I can do that. So basically, he kind of walked me through. He wanted to sell. I wanted to buy. And he walked me through the process. And man, I ended up buying 10 houses. That was my second deal. So I was at 14 doors. Okay, so you bought 10 doors from this guy. How did the process go? How much did you end up paying for him? And that's a lot of money. So how did you finance 10 deals? So basically, when I got in the state that, like I mentioned, I played baseball. I went to a school here. I left school and then I opened a restaurant. So I started doing some restaurant business. So at the time, I had like two or three running, but I basically just started saving money. I mean, I didn't know what to do with money. So I just started saving money, saving money. I didn't buy the nice cars. And I was just saving money, saving money, saving money. Because eventually, I knew something would come up where I wanted to park it. the restaurant business was good, but I don't think that was going to be where I will put my legacy. Okay. Post-baseball, you opened a restaurant and it's doing so well that you end up opening two more? Yes. So I started doing a couple of mores in the city. Yeah, that's correct. I used to be a waiter. So I worked as a waiter in a Mexican restaurant for a while. Yeah. So I learned a business in there. Then I opened, like I said, the first restaurant bar, kind of sports bar type of places. And I had three at the time. And yeah, I just tried to save money and do real estate. Man, well, that's impressive in itself because the restaurant business is a hard business to get into. You got into the restaurant business and found success, which is tough to do. So you pivot this into real estate. So what did the finance structure look like? Did you buy them all individually or was it like, did you buy it with one loan as a package Yeah, it was one loan. It was a package deal The way how things went there this guy which I call it he like my mentor in real estate He introduced me to the bank He was like hey y need to meet this guy He got something Y'all need to talk with him. So I had a meeting. You know, I didn't know banks were like that, where you can sit on a table, talk with the president. Okay, tell me what you do here. So it felt like an interview to a point. I was feeling like, oh my God, am I getting a job or getting a loan? They asked me a lot of questions and I figured that all they wanted to know was that I was serious about this and that I knew what I was doing at the time. Okay. So what was the purchase price for the 10 properties? 1.4 million, something like that. Okay. 1.4 million. You got a loan from the bank. How much down did they require? I put 20% down. That's a big chunk of change. And you had all that saved up from the restaurant business. And every time I put a percent down, it's like on zero. I went back to zero. be like, oh my gosh, back to zero, back to zero. Okay. And did these properties need any work? No, they were all occupied. They didn't have any property management company. It was the landlord running himself, like all these properties. So he took great care of it. And yeah, man, I mean, they were all rent. They were all bringing rent in, and I just needed to kind of raise rents to match the return that I was looking for. And at this point you had four units, But now all of a sudden you're sitting at 14 units. Are these properties, were you managing them yourself? Did you have property management? So I was managing them along with my wife. So yeah, we were back and forth. Hey, what's this money that you spent? Like, you're crazy. You spent years. So we went through all that. Yes, we went through all that. And because in the beginning, I wanted each property to look like my house. Like, I was like, all right, we got to get in. We got to bring everybody. So then I started learning, you know, I had to get this property. That doesn't mean that they had to be on bad shape, but you know, that is rental materials that you buy based on, okay, which toilet should I get? Which life features should I get? So yeah, I was spending a lot of money. I wasn't making no cashflow at all in the beginning, but then I learned, okay, this is what I need to do. Like I said, I was handling then myself along with my wife and we end up, learning about these rental softwares to actually manage them now. And yeah, I mean, it makes my life easier to being able to collect rents through there. Are you self-managing still to this day? So I have some help now, but yeah, on a day-to-day basis, I'm still around, yeah. All right. I've got a couple more questions for Jose about the mentor relationship that brought him 10 doors. We'll get to that right after the break. 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So yeah, basically just got a lot of questions every day. Even today's date, I'm calling for a lot. So after that deal, I bought 18 more properties. 18? That's correct. From the same guy? Correct. Yes. He sold you 10 properties. You're happy with those properties, but it wasn't like he sold you 10 properties and fell off the face of the earth. You continue to foster a mentor mentee relationship. So you, you, you could call this guy for anything you needed help with. And he was, he was explaining to you and teaching you how to manage the properties and run a real estate business. It sounds like. Absolutely. Absolutely. The biggest thing I learned while I was doing that with him is to run this as a business, you know, it's not just buying, Oh, one property, you get rents here or there. So understanding, that this is a business, just like a restaurant, sports bar business type. So understanding that he helped me put that mentality on me. And then we put a deal package together again and I purchased 18 more properties. Okay. Before we jump into the 18 more properties, I do want to touch on that because it does sound like, you know, to the average person listening that maybe this guy just wanted to offload a bunch of properties to somebody who was new. But I want people to understand like true mentorship relationships are the best when there is mutual benefit I think a lot of new people want to find a mentor but they don think they have anything of value to add or they just expect someone to pour into them and they don have to give anything in return. And those aren't true relationships. Now, occasionally you'll find somebody who wants to give, give, give to you and you can just take, take, take. But a real relationship is give and take both ways. And so it sounds to me like in this relationship, yes, there was value for him because he sold you properties, right? Correct. But there was a lot of value for you, not just because you were able to build your portfolio, but now you had a mentor you could call on for any questions you had. That's a true relationship. And I'm not saying you got to go buy properties from someone for them to mentor you, but I do want people to think about what value can I bring to somebody? Maybe I can go do work for them. Maybe you can babysit their kids. Like there's a million things that you can do. It doesn't have to be real estate related, but try to lead with value. That's super cool, man. So how much time passed between when you bought the 10 units to when you were buying the 18? It went like a year or so after. So basically it took me a while because, you know, that was a big thing too. It's a big chunk of change. Yes. But remember, and this is when it comes to mentor part. This guy sat down with me and said, look, when you bought these 10 properties from me, this is how much equity you got here. And I was like, what? Is that all the money I have? Yes. So that means that now I understood what type of deal I got. Because it wasn't that he gave them away for me, but he could have charged me way more. And I realized that whenever I went in, we did some appraisals on these properties. So I was like, oh, my goodness. OK, so now I was able to buy my 18 houses a year after using my 10 houses that I purchased from him before. So I used cross-collateralization. So to summarize, you bought the 10 units, but the guy didn't try to take advantage of you. He sold you the units at a fair price that allowed you to walk into some equity on these properties. So when the opportunity arose to buy the package of 17 houses, you use what's called cross collateralization. So for those of you who are listening, cross collateralization is where you pledge equity from existing properties and you use that equity as your down payment, essentially, for the other properties. So because the 17 properties had equity in them, the bank basically gave you a loan and you pledged some of that equity. In other words, they put a second mortgage on some of those other properties to allow you to have access to the funds that you would need as the down payment. So were you able to get into the 17 units without having to touch any of your own personal cash? I had to put really little amount. It was around $40,000, something like that I had to put. Again, like we go back to badging it right. We're talking about a year after. It wasn't even like two, three, four, five years. A year after we redo appraisals and this come to, you know, to have no equity to buy these 18 more properties. And at the time, I didn't even know that I could do that. Yeah. That I could actually, you know, use those properties to buy other properties. So this guy set me down and was like, hey, look, this is how much money you have. keep growing and buy more properties, even if it's not from me. That's what you say. Just you got to keep growing and growing. And that's how I did it. Yeah. Cross-collateralization is one of the cool tools that small local banks have at their disposal. Now, not every local community bank will utilize cross-collateralization. You have to call community banks and talk to them and ask them, are you willing to cross-collateralize or are you willing to let me pledge equity in an existing property. So this only works if you own real estate that only has a first mortgage on it. So if you've got real estate with equity, either it's paid off or you have only one mortgage on it, if you're interested in this, you can call local community banks. You want banks that have under $4 billion in assets. Those banks can be a lot more nimble than some of these big banks. But the key to this strategy is exactly what Jose said, is you have to buy a good deal because you're using leverage. You're using borrowed money as a down payment. So if you use borrowed money and buy a bad deal, well, now you've got a first and a second mortgage that you can't pay back and it can put you in financial strain very quickly. So you only want to do this when you know you are buying phenomenal deals that also have a ton of equity in them. That's correct. That's correct. And also what you mentioned regarding the banks, I went to a lot of banks and they told me no to before. A lot of banks told me they couldn't do it. It was too much freeze. But going to the right community bank will help you, your investor life a lot. Every bank is a different business. Every bank has different regulations. So just get to know your community banks and that can change your life for a bit. Yeah, man, that's a phenomenal point. You're absolutely right. Sometimes you'll talk to banks and it can be very discouraging when they tell you no. Sometimes it has to do with you. Maybe they don't like you, your credit score, your current portfolio. Sometimes that has nothing to do with you. But it still sucks to hear no. But some keys to being able to find a bank that does do what you want to do is, first and foremost, ask the bank what kind of assets they like to lend on. Some local community banks love lending on large multifamily. Some love lending on smaller single family. It's really going to depend on the bank and where their focus is at the time. If you have a good deal in the asset class that they like to lend to, it's a lot more likely that they'll want to work with you. B, warm introductions are always better than cold introductions, right? So Jose had a warm introduction. He had somebody who had a relationship at that bank introduce him to the lender. That's always going to help you in terms of favorability than just reaching out cold. A great tip if you want a warm introduction to banks is to go to your local chamber of commerce or rotary club meetings. You can go to rotary clubs, I think, as a guest. If you get someone there to bring you with them, it's a member. Or you can go to the chamber of commerce meetings. I think you can go as a guest off the street if you want to. But typically bank, community bank presidents and commercial lenders are members of local chambers of commerce. And so if you join the local chamber of commerce, just being a part of that chamber of commerce is your warm introduction. So those are those are some tips to help you start to find those relationships if you don't have that mentor who can introduce you. All right. We've got to take another short break. We'll be right back talking with Jose Martinez about how he was able to purchase another 18 units right after the break. People love to call real estate passive income, which is interesting because most of the investors I know are very busy. Busy finding deals, busy managing teams, busy worrying they picked the wrong market. Rent to retirement flips that model. 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Jose, what a great story of growing your business and your portfolio to go from a quadplex to then adding 10 units and then adding another 18 units and leveraging community banks and leveraging cross-collateralization to help you get creative about the financing so that you were able to acquire these properties. Where has that led you? Where is your portfolio sitting right now? about how many units? So right now I have 51 units. 51 units. That's incredible. So you started in 2022, four years ago, and now you're sitting at 51 units, but you did transition away from a successful restaurant business into this real estate business. So now that you own 51 units, are you glad that you moved away? Has it been beneficial? Is the money similar? Well, 100%, I can tell you, I live strictly from real estate, and my wife is happier because I don't have to be... That's a win in itself. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's been a blessing. I have been able to be home and see my girls growing. I got two girls, and that's for me, it's the win right there, being able to stay here with the family and, you know, being able to see them every day and support my lifestyle, of course. Man, congratulations. Restaurant industry, now full-time real estate investor. And I like that you talked about how it's afforded you the ability to spend more time with your wife and with your children. Maybe you could talk to us a little bit about what other benefits or what else is real estate allowed you to be able to do for your community. Man, it's a lot of deals out there still. And I'm doing my best to try to pull my knowledge into, you know, my community, which is the Spanish community that we really don't understand how many opportunities are in the States right now. I tell everybody this is the best country of the world because there is a lot of opportunities out there. So I've been blessed to learn from things like you guys do, but now I'm putting that into them, translating that into them. And I have some people that have bought duplexes, quadplexes. So just for me, that's a win, too. I mean, being able to pour that into the people that I know and see them growing as well. Yeah. Here's what I love about this, man. It's kind of a full circle thing. And you are doing this the right way. So I often tell people when you're looking for a mentor, one of the best ways to attract a mentor is to is to try to find a way to be a mentor. I think a lot of people want a mentor and then maybe they find one and they get help. But I think our responsibility after you gain the information, you act on it and it starts to be beneficial for you is to you to be willing to do that for somebody else. Right. That's what creates the best kind of symbiotic relationship in the investor community. And the investor community is just amazing already. Like we've talked about this a million times on the show, but like real estate investing is one of the weirdest industries in terms of like people will just help you. They'll just give you information. People don't really hoard information. They're not scared to create, you know, competition amongst themselves. People will share information. And if we want real estate investor communities to continue to operate like that, we have to be willing to give once we get from somebody else. So I love that you're taking what you've learned and now you're helping people who probably just don't have access to the information or don't understand that this is something that they can do. And now you're being a beacon for them to invest in and being a blessing to your community, man. So so that's amazing, man. Thank you very much. I think also to add there, Henry, is also being hungry and not to actually go after after that knowledge that you are missing. Like understanding that, okay, if Jose, if Henry did it, like what, what's the line that I need to follow? You know, you don't need to go exactly like you did or I did it, but it's a lot of options out there. You guys put the best content every single week. I mean, you, you go through that and that, along that can definitely change your life for good. For me, without any doubt, man, I mean, bigger packet helped me a lot. I mean, this is more than half of my knowledge come from here on four years. And my other knowledge come from my mentor, of course. But when I go and sit down and ask questions, it's because you guys talk about, okay, community lending, how do you handle a situation? So I go, hey, so I read about this. How does this work? You know, and your mentor will also see you doing your own researches and being hungry about it. So for me, this podcast has changed a lot of life and I'm one of those too. Oh man, that's great to hear, man. It's always awesome to kind of see the impacts or the positive impacts you're having on people. So we, A, we appreciate the kind words, but we also appreciate the value that you're bringing to your community. And before we get out of here, Jose, is there any plans for the future? What's next, man? So I'm doing flippings as well on the side. So I got like a separate business from what I'm doing. So I kind of, I'm, I'm, I'm wanting to learn more about developing too. So I'm really just, I'm in love with real estate. I mean, I started with one and I just kept going and kept going. And now, I mean, I really enjoy to, you know, fix a house, rent it or sell it. So I really, I'm, I love it. I mean, this is, this is life for me. I love it too, man. You got the bug. I do the same thing. I'm doing my first new development this year. So. Wow. Nice. Well, thank you so much, Jose, for joining us and sharing your inspiring story. Thank you so much to you, the listeners, for tuning in. We hope you got some great value for this episode, and we'll see you on the next show of the BiggerPockets podcast. And if you found this story with Jose inspiring, go ahead and check out another episode of the BiggerPockets podcast, episode 1231. That's my interview with investor Neil Whitney from just a few weeks ago. That's episode 1231. Do you ever notice how every passive investment somehow turns into a very active lifestyle. Active spreadsheets, active phone calls, active stress. Here's a better question. What if you could buy brand new construction homes, 10% below market value, in the best markets across the country, without making real estate your second job? That's exactly what Rent to Retirement does. They're a full-service, turnkey investment company handling everything for you. In some cases, investors get 50% to 75% of down payment back at closing, plus interest rates as low as 3.75%. 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