2/25/26: BP Team REACTS Trump SOTU: Iran, Data Centers, Immigration

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It's easily going to be the longest state of the union, probably in American history, at least in terms of the one that has been delivered. lots of stuff that eventually came up started off largely on economics transition to an Olympic love fest for about 10 minutes there on hockey and then very typical of what we warned about on State of the Union a lot of box checking everything was bullet points you had the immigration section you had voter ID there was some stuff on foreign policy we're gonna start with that there in a second then kind of wrapping it up by lots of medals the sound guy here he He goes, is it normal to hand out so many medals in a state of the union? We're like, no, it's not normal. But, you know, 50% of the speech was like various awards. A very large percent of the speech was handing out medals. I'm going to make an annoying point. Have you followed the Wuthering Heights discourse about how it's a movie for TikTok? This is BP out of the dark. You got this. Yeah. Okay. It's a movie for TikTok. Meaning you're stringing all of these scenes together because you want them to become part of the clip universe. That's what State of the Unions are now. Because you're trying to check a box for every different cohort. Yeah. And then you know it's going to get targeted in this place, in this place, in this place. And so that's why the speeches, I think at least from Trump's perspective, are getting longer. Because then you have more, like you can put the metal stuff out. More raw material. I actually, I like that point a lot. That's very smart. It's not even really meant to be consumed in full. Right, to be consumed in full. As a cohesive. Yeah, I kind of confirmed it also with somebody who would know. Oh, really? Oh. See, that's actually very interesting. It actually makes, it helps because, you know, watching it in full, you're like, oh my God, man, please. Yeah, but I mean, that being said, like, None of that was really super. Yeah. There were no moments. I mean, we grabbed some clips. We'll show you some clips. But there was really literally nothing that I was like, oh, that's going to be a moment. I agree. Nothing's super interesting. But he got his hockey moment. He had his Irina Zeritska's parents. He had all of the different veterans that those will go into the veterans. If you ask me what goes most viral from that speech is probably hockey, right? Also, because statistically, people only. Well, let's think timing. People are hour for the hockey. The vast majority of people who watch, it's only going to be the first 15, 20 minutes. Before 30? There's no, like, I mean, I guess it's like sort of a controversy, but the things that usually go viral is where there's some sort of. Oh, I didn't mean controversy. I mean, there's people who are like, oh, great. The hockey team is there. That's really all I was thinking. He was heckled by Ilhan Omar and then leaned in and said, you should be ashamed of yourself. That will probably be viral. She yelled at him about Epstein. We'll get to it. We don't have that clip exactly. But by far, what we were all looking for going into the speech was Iran. And we got a very limited section on Iran. So we've gone ahead and pulled it. So control, please cue that up as I lead into it. There was some expectation, some speculation. People were worried, oh, my God, are we going to announce that we're going to war with Iran tonight? That's not really how it works. There was even some, you know, I even thought, I said, maybe it's going to lay out a deadline, like a declaration, an ultimatum of some kind. It was extremely generic. He's saying that Iran has not yet said the sacred words that they will not pursue a nuclear weapon. Not true, which Ryan will debunk on the other side. But guys, if we can go ahead and play it, the Iran section from the speech, and then we'll react on the other side. As president, I will make peace wherever I can, but I will never hesitate to confront threats to America wherever we must. That's why in a breakthrough operation last June, The United States military obliterated Iran's nuclear weapons program with an attack on Iranian soil known as Operation Midnight Hammer. After Midnight Hammer, they were warned to make no future attempts to rebuild their weapons program, in particular nuclear weapons. Yet they continue starting it all over. We wiped it out and they want to start all over again. and are at this moment again pursuing their sinister ambitions. We are in negotiations with them. They want to make a deal, but we haven't heard those secret words. We will never have a nuclear weapon. So a couple of things they're saying after Midnight Hammer that they have tried to restart their program. No evidence of that literally whatsoever. Where's the DNI? Are they even going to trot out some fake intel? And then, Ryan, if you want to redo your fact check on that latter part, perhaps you can right now. So foreign minister Sayed Arakchi today. Yeah. Literally today before the speech, actually. So they could have included this if they wanted to. Arakchi said, quote, our fundamental convictions are crystal clear, colon. Iran will under no circumstances ever develop a nuclear weapon. And when it comes to, like, diplomatic speak, oftentimes they try to leave some, like, wiggle room for interpretation. But Iran will, under no circumstances, ever develop a nuclear weapon. It's not a lot of wiggle room there. It's like, what else do we want? You know, I mean, should they put it on official letterhead and have the Ayatollah sign it? But of course, we all know. Then the goalposts will, oh, but they didn't address ballistic missiles. but they didn't address the, what else? Oh, they didn't address regional prox, which is fake. It's like, yeah, which regional proxy? We're talking about Syria? We're talking about Lebanon? Which what? Command and control? This is definitely the first time in American history that a president has declared victory and celebrated his achievement of annihilating a foe at the same time that he's promising to re-annihilate the foe. Yes, so true. Have you seen the White House press release going around about how back in June after Midnight Hammer, emily where they're like iranian nuclear facilities obliterated any uh any speculation that it wasn't true is an insult insult yeah to the white house i was gonna say a little bit of breaking news not on iran but on venezuela i just got a statement from a war department official because i asked them about yesterday's yeah but yeah yeah well i i was told to attribute it i was told i could attribute it to a war department official okay fine fine uh so on venezuela i had asked who they targeted yesterday specifically. Now, they had a big guest come out Venezuela-wise in the middle of the State of the Union, made a big deal about it. They will not tell me what group was targeted yesterday. They're citing, quote, unquote, operations security. In the boat or on land or? The land, or I'm sorry, the boat strike yesterday. Sure. So this gets us to Iran. You have this contradiction of we annihilated the nuclear site, and yet now we need to strike Iran again. And the same thing with Venezuela. We have annihilated the threat of Maduro, who is directing Trenda, Aragua, and the drug traffickers. We're running the country. Great point. So what's the War Department official saying? Says, to protect operations, security, and our forces, we will not discuss specific groups, targets, or intelligence methods. By the way, Trump, in his State of the Union, called Venezuela new friend and partner. So we are now bombing our new friend and partner. We are bombing our new friend and partner. Until the morale improves. Just again, the Iran section of this is gonna be the most important, and it was incredibly vague. There was no time that was added to it. the post about the so-called claim around they haven't said the sacred words. It's like, again, I don't know what else could happen here, but this is part. Chuck Schumer's going to be very disappointed that the case wasn't made tonight. Right. Well, if people did not watch our pre-show into the State of the Union, there was this pathetic effort by Mark Warner and Senator Chuck Schumer who were like, oh, well, a lot of crazy stuff said the president really needs to make his case to the American people. It came, I mean, I don't have the timestamp. What was it, hour 15, probably? So far, the vast majority of people had already turned it off. Only professional news folks like us are even watching there at that point. Barely, I mean, almost a minute maybe on Iran, I would say 90 seconds, 15, 20 seconds there on the Russia and Ukraine war. It was minuscule, I think, in terms of the actual part of this speech, but it was the number one thing that we were all looking for. So unfortunately, we can't really add a ton of commentary, except just to say what he's what he's claiming is not really true in terms of his demand yes so this this martyr made post that came out yeah three or four hours ago what what can we so this is what's his name daryl like huge podcaster yes like he what can we make of this like can we talk about this at all like um yeah like it's public i mean yeah i haven't pulled up here's what he said he said um trump has been cornered his options as he sees them are to start a war with iran on something like our own terms or to be dragged into it at a time in the manner of Israel's choosing. The third option, telling Israel to fight their own war, is not on the table because he believes that if he does that, Israel will use nuclear weapons and he and members of his family will be in physical danger. I'm not totally sure why those two things are tied together. But anyway, the rest of the post says the military buildup has had three purposes. First, he hoped that Iran would capitulate and submit to an agreement strong enough to calm the Israelis down for the time being fanciful. Second, to have enough forces to deal with the fallout if Israel attacks and Iran retaliates against American bases and allies. And finally, to potentially strike first and at least be able to control the first phase of combat. The talk of limited strikes reflects his hope that Iran can be intimidated into buckling because Trump genuinely does not want war. That's where we're at. I've never prayed for a politician or government before, but I prayed for Trump for the first time yesterday. You should too. So that's what he's saying based on whoever he is obviously close to Tucker Carlson. Yeah. Yeah. You know, look, what I will say is I heard something similar in terms of what I mean, look, I alluded to it earlier in our show. Crystal is that Israel is fundamentally in control of the dynamic. When we talk about the Pentagon, we do frustration with the United States, the deep frustration within the White House right now. And again, I'm not excusing this. I'm explaining kind of the view is, well, Israel may do it or not. And if they do it, then we're going to get sucked in. So we might as well try to control the dynamic. But what this ignores, what happens if you don't get sued? This is the problem is that it ignores, and the third option, the actual option, which is, hey, tell Israel not to do it and decide that we going to cut them off Yeah and say hey if you do we not going to continue to sell you weapons You not going to be there to make sure that you don get hit when there is Iranian retaliation I mean the threat of nukes here is so insane And let keep in mind, like, Israel doesn't, you know, it's supposed to be still a secret that they have nuclear weapons. But there's all this concern about Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Like, you have this psycho rogue regime in the Middle East already that is supposed to be our client state. And they're out here basically like low-key threatening us that they're going to start some sort of nuclear conflagration if they don't get their way. Also, I don't think we should ignore in that State of the Union speech that Trump literally said Iran is trying to create an ICBM capable of hitting the United States. I know we're living in a post-truth. Like, can we get some evidence of that at all? Because that would actually, you know, be a game changer. No, it's fake, right? It's literally made up. Is that, oh, they had regional ballistic missile threats he said europe and our bases i think we all know who he's talking about whenever it comes to regional uh but they're trying to frame it very iraq war style of like oh well first it's europe and our but now they're developing this in what did steve wikoff say they're weeks away from an industrial great bomb which as our producer mac points out isn't literally every state bomb an industrial great bomb like you can't create a bomb he was using the wrong term which goes to your point about like not having like not remotely experts like got like using basic terms wrong i'm not an expert but you know industrial is not the right term the weapons grade is what he's trying yes and of course the the goalpost in june was you absolutely had to do this because of their nuclear capacity it was specifically the threat of nuclear imminence coming from iran so this is it's in disagreement with our own argument in june yeah and when he says that uh the his family would be at risk. I feel like that's code for his family is vulnerable on a lot of levels when it comes to that you could expose things about them or they have like business relationships that could be jeopardized. I don't think that Israel is going to go out and kill them. Like I just don't, I'm sorry. That's not like, yeah, but if I told you Israel wouldn't nuke them, like dude, there's a serious part, there's a serious thought here in Washington that they actually would, that they They really would use new... I mean, considering what has now happened with Gaza, and now seven countries bombed in two years, do you really put it back? They're saying different things. Oh, okay. You're totally bought into the idea they would nuke Iran. Oh, okay. You don't believe they would assassinate Trump and his family members. I see. However, this is where the Epstein files kind of come into play, don't they? I mean, this is the thing. This is why this... The little bit we know is so important to understand. Like, what do the Israelis know? What does Trump think the Israelis know? What is he concerned about? Because we can say without a shadow of a doubt that he is worried about what is in these files in their entirety. Look at the treatment of Ghislaine Maxwell getting moved in the club fed and getting a puppy and treating the warden like her bitch. He is worried about some things that are in there. And he has to assume the Israelis know about that. So when some of these pieces don't add up of like, okay, well, if they attack Iran, why are we getting sucked into it? And how does this put you in danger? You have to put the Epstein factor into that as well. Yeah, I mean, not just, but that business, like you just said, the business relationships of everything, I mean- These are not independent. These are all non-independent. Yeah, exactly, not exactly independent. I don't want to get too far down the around rabbit, but I still believe, I mean, this is the number one most important part in the story in the entire country. And even within the state of the, if anything, actually, not having a state of the union, there was no flagship proposal, right? There was really, it was a lot of box checking. and if you guys want, we can turn to the economy. The first 15 minutes or so was basically a retread, the greatest economy in history. I have some here in my notes. Things are great and the Dow's up. Roaring economy is roaring like never before, right? Mortgage rates, new construction jobs, largest tax cut, affordability. They said Democrats caused and created the prices. You caused that problem. We did pick up, though, that the White House is obviously very, you know, They're very paying attention, I think, to some of the populist issues that we've highlighted here in our show. And there are three of them all in a row. Data centers, number one. Two was stock ban. And three was about banning these private equity groups from owning large swaths of housing. So we actually have a clip here on data centers. It was kind of the more populist section, if you will, of the State of the Union. Let's take a listen. Many Americans are also concerned that energy demand from AI data centers could unfairly drive up their electric utility bills. Tonight, I'm pleased to announce that I have negotiated the new rate payer protection pledge. You know what that is. We're telling the major tech companies that they have the obligation to provide for their own power needs. They can build their own power plants as part of their factory so that no one's prices will go up. And in many cases, prices of electricity will go down for the community and very substantially down. This is a unique strategy never used in this country before. We have an old grid. It could never handle the kind of numbers, the amount of electricity that's needed. So I'm telling them they can build their own plant. They're going to produce their own electricity. It will ensure the company's ability to get electricity while at the same time lowering prices of electricity for you. and could be very substantial for all of you cities and towns. You're going to see some good things happen over the next number of years. By the way, that was immediately followed by the private equity discussion and then by the congressional stock trading ban, all issues that have been bubbling up online. Now, as usual, devil's in the details. Is it going to happen? This is a rate pledge allegedly privately agreed to by companies. Where's the fact sheet? Are they actually going to do it? Is this going to be national policy? Now, part of the, what have we learned about the data center fight? Data centers is a state and a local issue. Is every state and local locality actually going to be able to agree with this, right? So I'm very doubtful that this will actually become national policy. But for me, this is a reminder that they can see some of the writing on the wall. And despite the first 15 minutes or so, which was very much like we're in the roaring economy, everything is Biden's fault, that was a midterm section where they're like, we need to reclaim some ground here. There was no credit card interest rate cap, which I did take notice of. Interesting. Yeah. Let's talk about whether that was actually good politics or whether this guy is living in a bubble. So, Crystal, you live in a rural area. Come to rural people and say, you know what? I want to build a data center. People are like, hmm. Now you come to them and say, I want to build a data center and right next to it. And a power plant. Are they more excited or less excited? That's exactly what I was saying when they were saying this. But, I mean, it's sort of irrelevant because I view it as a fake proposal. Right. We're lying about the power center. Right. I mean, I think it's a fake proposal. I think it's an attempt to recognize, like they recognize this is a problem for them. It's a real rub, you know, in areas where they have a lot of support. There was a, I think, a New York Times article about some Trump supporters who were like, I like what he's doing, but the status center stuff is really bad. Like this is a major issue for them. They clearly have recognized it. The reason I say it's a fake proposal is this is not something you can do with an executive order. And so you're going to know. And think of what we're really talking about. okay, you're going to mandate tech companies to build power plants, a business they are not actually in. And they're all in this race to spin up as many data centers as fast as they can. And it's no holds barred in terms of like complete deregulation. And now you're going to add into this like, and also you're going to be, I mean, it's just, it's, there's no way if the, if the government was going to get involved and like build out these power plants or whatever, maybe, but um but yeah there's this would be something that would have to go through congress it would have to be a major proposal all of that you would require significant compulsion from the the federal government to get these ai companies to do it so i just see it as we had the ira still in effect one thing but that's yeah that's another somebody nuked that not sure yeah um but that's i mean the the way that trump could get compulsion is because all of these ceos and companies are rushing to get his affection and be lavished in his praise and all that so i guess the way he was selling it he's like they've agreed to a rape again exactly he's framing it as though they're under his thumb which to some extent they are but to the point that crystal made it's it's a lot of money well it reminds me of you know we're talking about the maha stuff which we really should talk more about because it's you know that was an important part of his coalition and not a lot in the speech yeah basically nothing in the speech remember he did that whole like oh the food companies decided They're just going to voluntarily get all the artificial colors and preservatives out of their food. Well, that just got quietly rolled back. So, you know, once business is like, no thanks. They're on fire over the glyphosate stuff. Yeah, the glyphosate thing is very interesting. And they should be because, you know, I mean, there were I think tens of thousands of claims against Monsanto now there over Roundup and the link to cancer. and to do this and to then use the Defense Production Act to spin the stuff, I mean, it really is grotesque and it truly is a betrayal. And to see if RFK Jr. just turn around and rubber stamp and say, yeah, great, I approve of it is crazy. Well, he made it about the supply chain, not to get too off track, but they made it about the supply chain thing, but everyone was like, yo, dude, in the same executive order, you gave them immunity. It's like, that's what we're upset about. And that's what you should be upset about, right? That's the whole thing. That's like as anti-Maha as it gets. So look, we're just trying to frame it in terms of they see a big political problem. They spent a lot of time. We had the data center thing. We had the mortgage rates. There was a discussion, what is it, the lowest mortgage rate in a couple of years. They were talking about rent prices. So affordability, while it was, it's not nearly enough at the top as it should have been. Because if you think, as I always talk about with State of the Unions, people only watch like 15, 30 minutes. So when you're like 45, 50, 60 minutes or something into a speech, like you're going way down. Not a lot of people are going to hear this. To me, it felt very box check. And it's a preview of what I think is going to be their midterm affordability strategy, like going forward. So we should say this was actually, officially now, it was an hour and 47 minutes. So that is the longest State of the Union on record. Second was Trump's joint address last year, which doesn't technically count as the State of the Union. But before that, Bill Clinton's State of the Union in 2000 was the longest. It was an hour and 28 minutes. Gotcha. So significant. Which people melted down. Significantly longer. Totally melted down. 20 minutes longer. We had standards. I mean, it was insanely long. We had standards. It ended abruptly, though. The speech was very long. You know, your Wuthering Heights point is very good. It was really not a cohesive speech. It really was just a clip, clip, clip, clip. I was in college then, I promise I did not watch it. But they're all like this. I feel like, in fairness, they are all kind of like, it's hard to check all those boxes and string some sort of narrative together. But yeah, there didn't even seem to really be an effort. No. I didn't say it was like, here's the shit and let me give another award. Yeah, it was all trying to create individual moments. You know, on the economic front, like we are in enough of a dire, uncertain circumstance with regard to the economy that even if some of these proposals were real, these kind of like gimmicky one-off proposals are just not sufficient, right? Even if the credit card interest rate thing was in here, which it wasn't, and he's clearly just like abandoned that, that would be something. But it's not like people are going to see that and be like, oh, my life has turned around and now I have hope for the future. They're still going to be worried about AI, which, you know, at this point in time, OK, you talk about the data centers, but to not talk about any of like the labor, any of the other stuff that's going on with AI when this is a central like this is the central economic growth policy that your administration is pursuing, I think is I mean, I think it's incredibly negligent. To me, it's very noteworthy. You they he spent a lot of time. You you brought this up, Sogri, didn't talk about ICE at all. So I tweeted it just to make sure I'm not getting fact checked. There was not a single mention about it. There was a lot of talk about immigration. There were some big, you know, some of his big moments with the base were on immigration, etc. And I think they still feel like that. And I think it is still some of their stronger ground. But, you know, he's now underwater significantly on immigration, too. So the one area, the well that he could always go back to, even that's not a reliable winner for him outside of his committed followers. You know Roald Dahl, the writer who thought up Willy Wonka, Matilda, and the BFG. But did you know he was also a spy? Was this before he wrote his stories? It must have been. Our new podcast series, The Secret World of Roald Dahl, is a wild journey through the hidden chapters of his extraordinary, controversial life. His job was literally to seduce the wives of powerful Americans. 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That is why I'm also asking you to end deadly sanctuary cities that protect the criminals and enact serious penalties for public officials who block the removal of criminal aliens. In many cases, drug lords, murderers all over our country, they're blocking the removal of these people out of our country. And you should be ashamed of yourself. There's your juxtaposition. You got Ilhan. She was shouting, you have killed Americans. He's saying, please stand if you've had your moment. But I will say, if you listen to that. We should fact check the claim. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. He has killed Americans. Oh, thank you, Ryan. Thank you for that fact check. Well, he personally has. He ordered the operation that killed the Americans. But, you know, to the point about rhetoric, the word ICE was not uttered. The word CBP was not uttered. The new funding for the DHS, in terms of like the big ICE funding for the original bill, was not discussed. The only mention of the big, beautiful bill was about corporate tax cut. If you think specifically about immigration and the way that it was talked about, it was very 2025. It was all about open border and it was about specific victims. But there was no mention whatsoever of Minneapolis, of Los Angeles, of any of the major raids that have happened across the country. There was mention in Minneapolis. Right, but about Somalis. About Somalis. Exactly. And which, I mean, is noteworthy for what you're saying. But also he did this whole like, oh, J.D. Vance is going to be the czar of like finding fraud and corruption or whatever. I mean. Interesting. Yeah, which is interesting. And I want to get your thoughts on that. But it's also like that was the whole pretext for you going into Minneapolis. So if you're going to find all this fraud, what were you people doing there? Like, obviously, that was completely false freedom. But if you read into the politics of that, they're going right back to the 2024, 2025 case of we have no more, which is true. You know, they shut the border down. OK, so there's no more illegal migrants who are coming across the border. But the case about mass deportation, the word mass deportation wasn't uttered. The singular campaign message, which literally was behind Donald Trump whenever he accepted the nomination at the 2024 RNC. ICE was not discussed. CBP. Hogan was not there. Yeah, Homan. RIP? I thought you said Homan. I didn't say it to Hulk Homo. Sorry, RIP. Hulk Homo. RIP to Hulk Homo. That's what I heard, too. Yeah, that's what I heard. I was like, yeah, okay, sorry. This is a classic Emily situation. But, you know, thinking. It's derailing as usual. Just thinking generally about the way that they had to frame it on immigration, that was a loss to me, considering how much they have now political capital that they have spent on the issue. Nothing about Minneapolis, Los Angeles, any of the major surges that have dominated the headlines. Yeah. I mean, that's honestly shocking. If you consider, if you were to go on Twitter or if you were to go and look at the communications of the White House on a daily basis for the last, what, three months? I mean, Minneapolis, immigration, ICE, and all that's gonna be number one. Or what the world thinks about us. Two of those, yeah, it's gonna, oh my God. It's everywhere, and there's barely anything in the speech. I agree with that. I think the lack of ICE is significant. I think that moment is a win for Trump. I also think it's a win for Ilhan Omar. I think him saying, you should be ashamed, and then Ilhan Omar coming back and saying, no, you should be ashamed. Yeah. And that I think is a win for both of them. Oh, she's going to raise a million dollars by the end of the day. Yeah, I agree completely with that. But it also is like with, it reminds me of where we were a year ago, which was everyone talking about ICE, Kristi Noem, and Doge. Right. And the J.D. Vance point is interesting because we're talking about fraud and rooting it out of government last year, all under the auspices of Elon Musk's operation and Doge. So much fun. Everything's great. And now J.D. Vance has potentially been turned into the Kamala Harris border czar, of fraud, meaning fraud that happens after J.D. Vance has been fingered as the fraud czar. Right. Yeah. Is now going to come back. You made this point live. I thought it was genius. I genuinely did not. It did not click for me. To elaborate more what you're saying is that if Jared Kushner and Steve Wyckoff and all these other guys, all these crazy deals and crypto and the parties and all this. And it's like, well, you were the czar of fraud. It's like, why did you, you know, the Binance, did you guys see this Binance story recently? but the CEO, he got pardoned, and then they just facilitated a bunch of money to, like, Iranian, you know, around Iranian sanctions using crypto. I mean, it's totally nuts, right? And to layer another point on top of what Emily is saying, maybe you guys disagree with me, maybe not. This is the most corrupt administration, like, okay, maybe some grant. Teapot. I was like, come on, teapot dome, bro. That's not, let's say I could carry it. The reason I say this is the most corrupt because it's the entire Senate and Congress and Grant, like, during the teapot, like, they're all trading. Like, it's all rotten all the way through. Right now, the White House is far and away leading the charge on this crypto level of corruption. Like, there's getting the UAE to buy half of their crypto thing and then going to Pakistan and telling them they got to put in a billion dollars and these guys have to put in a billion. You got to put a billion. I see what you're saying. Whereas members of Congress aren't there yet. Maybe. Right. Give us five years. They're on a smaller scale, but not even close to this. But yeah, that's so there's so much more corrupt than even the average like Washington politician. And then you're going to say that J.D. Vance is the one who's the sheriff on all of this. If Democrats take control of the House, we're going to have some interesting hearings. We're going to get a lot of interesting information about the stuff that's gone on the last couple of years. And you'll be able to lay that at the foot of Sheriff J.D. Vance. Like, hey, weren't you the corruptions are? Yeah, what happened? Who is also supposed to not balance the budget. Trump said that J.D. would root out fraud in the service of balancing the budget. So it's like the classic Veep burden. All right, good luck, buddy. I mean, you remember what Biden gave Kamala? What, immigration? What else? The border. Yeah. Not just immigration, but actually the border. Right. and she was like do not come she's like I got nothing else and then what else oh gun safety which like they were not passing anything on that like there was they were doing nothing on guns so they're like Kamala you do guns and then when it was very clear that they weren't going to do anything on voting rights they were like Kamala you take voting rights so it's like you just whatever you are not going to get done and is going to get worse you give to the person you don't like so that's not great for jd vance it's not a great it's really that's a good point he did not have to do that genuinely did not think about that i think it is important but you know in terms of reading into the tea leaves of everything speech starts out economy's good it's all the democrats fault then we have our team usa hockey moment then we get yeah which lasted more than 10 look love team usa but man 10 minutes is too long all right and so then we get into what the more populist economic stuff We have a couple of throwaway lines, one big, beautiful bill. That was about 20 minutes into the speech, by the way. Right, so, yeah. Well, I'm going to agree with your original assessment that none of this is going to matter. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, look, yeah, if you listen to the speech, we're going to have a few clips, and then that's it. And what's kind of interesting is even Trump is not really trying to make this a big deal. We were talking this morning about how big of a deal the State of the Unions were under Obama. And remember, they would have like a big theme, be like, save American jobs. The president would go on a bus tour for 50. They're not even pretending now. They're like, yeah, Trump will be in Texas on Friday for a different event. And Iran will be back in the news tomorrow or something like that. You know, we're trying to piece, if anything, what we just saw was a political view into the mind of the White House of, okay, ICE is a problem. We need to make immigration much more like 2025, 2024 than it is 2026. One quick note on that. There were a bunch of administration officials who got shout outs. Christy Noem, Stephen Miller were not among them. Tom Homan. Yeah, right. That's a good point. None of those guys. I didn't even see Christy Noem. So, yeah, I mean, by my count, we had Secretary Besant, Rubio, the vice president. That's it. Well, you got the shout outs. You had Jared Kushner and Steve Whitcoff who are, you know, whatever they are. You said everybody loves Rubio. Yeah. Got 100%. Right, so everybody got 100%. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, everybody. Bipartisanship is alive and well and watching. But, I mean, you know how much Christy Noem loves the spotlight. So, to avoid. True. Yeah, true. Oh, my gosh. She's probably steaming. One of the most touted cabinet members at this time last year. Yeah, that's right. So just, you know, in terms of the internal politics, who's up, who's down, I think that's kind of noteworthy. But, you know, in terms of, like, political impact, I don't think it's going to matter at all. No. The most consequential part is that we did get a little bit on tariffs, but nothing, again, that was really different from what they've been saying. Nothing noteworthy. Didn't even attack SCOTUS. That could have been a viral moment. That could have been something we could have all talked about, right? He didn't even really go out. He was like, it was very disappointing. And he looked right at him. He was very disappointing. And he just moved on. There was nothing. We did have a fun Zoran moment. Yes, we have that. We have that, guys. Should we go ahead and play? I actually stepped down during this, so I'm watching. This one's about voter ID. So the lead in. I haven't seen this for the first time. I'll explain. The lead in was Trump was called. What's it called? Is it the SAVE Act or the SAVE America? The SAVE Act. Okay, it's the SAVE Act. So it was a lead in for calling of the SAVE Act, which is what is this? Pass the House, currently in the Senate. it would need 60 votes so it's going nowhere we're required unless they do a talking filibuster oh okay but i doubt that'll happen but so it'd be like it would be what it would be uh vote mandatory voter id proof of citizenship uh to be able to vote as part of that what it leads into was this talk about the zoran snow shoveling thing which was a big discourse if you're not online and you don't know what we're talking about god bless you uh it's about which you even had to explain to me because i'm not online enough is what was it he announced a snow shoveling program and as part of that you get paid is it twenty dollars an hour 30 30 wow yeah that's honestly pretty good work uh so snow shoveling 30 an hour but to get the job you have to provide two forms of identification it was even more ridiculous than that you had to have the two of the like one and a half inch by one and a half inch passport photos which I think is probably a corrupt bargain that some mayor made with like a cartel that owns those little photo shops. The little passport photo shop. Passport photo shop. I mean, yeah. Yeah, wait, you need a passport photo to get paid from the city? Yes. That's crazy. That is like some Dinkin level, like that has to go back. I love some. Yeah, they're keeping CBS. Yes. They don't have CVS in New York. What's it called? Dwayne Reed or whatever? Yeah, Dwayne Deeds. Anyway, so that was the lead-in to this Zoran moment. Let's take a listen. And even the new communist mayor of New York City, I think he's a nice guy, actually. Speak to him a lot. Bad policy, but nice guy. Just said they want people to shovel snow. They got hit hard. Want some dishevel snow. But if you apply for that job, you need to show two original forms of ID. and a social security card. Yet they don't want identification for the greatest privilege of them all voting in America. No, it's no good. No good. Both Republicans and Democrats overwhelmingly agree on the policy that we just enunciated. And Congress should unite and enact this common sense, country-saving legislation right now, and it should be before anything else happens. So there you go. Nice guy. Still talk to him a lot. Communist mayor. The communist mayor. But he's a good guy. I love that he ad-libbed that in. That's so sweet. I just hear about Roman all the time. He's a nice guy. Talk to him all the time. Communist. Talk to him all the time. He's a good guy. I guess, yeah, I mean, it's all accurate. On a more serious note with regard to all the election and the voter stuff. I mean, he did make this point of like, oh, the Democrats could never win if they don't cheat. And, you know, as we're watching, heading into the midterms and all the shenanigans already pulling and the seizing of the voter rolls in a variety of states and a lot of red states going along with whatever they're doing, purging people who belong on the rolls, the seizing of the Fulton County voting machines, the ballots from 2020, whatever Tulsi Gabbard's up to, potential Maduro deal. There is a lot to be concerned about with regard to whether the midterm elections are going to be free and fair, what sort of, we know there are going to be shenanigans, what sort of shenanigans they're going to pull. He joked about a third term in the speech. He did, yeah, he did. This should have been my third term. Strange things happen. Yeah, so I know that a bunch of Democratic AGs are sort of like war gaming, you know, what the possible scenarios are. And I think we were talking before, he is aware that his political positioning is quite bad at this point. You know, he's aware of the historical trends. He's talked about that, too, of the party in power. He's aware that people aren't buying what he's selling. He's a bit confused by that. But he clearly has some awareness that it's not looking good. And certainly he knows that if Democrats take back even one chamber, then, yeah, you're, you know, any agenda that you had potentially going through Congress, not that much has gotten past your Congress anyway, grinds to a halt. You've got all these investigations. It's going to be, you know, a lot less fun. I think they don't even care about agenda. I think all they care about is not having to literally live on Capitol Hill for investigations. Yeah. Which is a huge, I mean, it's going to be a nightmare. But if Dems retake the Senate, and that's not out of the realm of possibility, you have a literal impeachment on the table. Oh, it's just crazy. Not just House impeachment. Well, no, wait. How many votes do you need? You need 67, though. I was going to say, you need two-thirds in the Senate. Yeah, that's true. You would get a trial. You would have the trial. You would get the trial in the Senate. The trial of the century. Right away, on this, nobody's talked about this, but on this voting bill that he wants to do, the main thing it would do is make it more difficult to register to vote if you're a woman who has changed her name at some point. But the problem is that... Sorry, I actually haven't looked into this. How? Why? Because of passport documents? Birth certificates. It's just, yeah, because you have to get your birth certificate and your passport. If you are one of the people who doesn't have a real ID or a driver's license... Wait, who doesn't have real ID? There are a couple of states that don't mandate real ID. Of the people that this would affect, the ones that would affect the most are women who changed their name to get married. 80% of Democrats changed their name when they get married. 90% of Republicans changed their name when they get married. Married women went for Trump over Harris. He won this group. And the ones that are more likely to have changed their names are more likely to be Republican. Oh, the SAVE Act was drafted before even the 2020 election. Yes, I think this is like 30-year-old legislation that they just took off the shelf and didn't update. Democrats could let it through, and it would hurt Republicans more is my point. Well, I've always talked about that with mail-in ballots. Remember back in 2020, Trump literally would have won the state of Georgia if just the number of people who voted by mail had actually voted? Because it was a significant number of—whatever, it's not even worth getting into. Well, I mean, yeah, we don't have to kill it out of the rabbit hole. Well, it sort of reminds me of the redistricting thing where like, you know, Texas, now that the Latino support for the Republicans has fallen through the floor, they drew their lines based on, you know, something approximating Trump's Latino support in the state of Texas could end up really screwing themselves with the redistricting. Not to mention that Democrats, you know, came in hot and were like, OK, bet, you know, we're going to do this in California. Virginia, that's another thing. You know, Spanburgers going with some legislation there. 20 seats. and I think that what California's map got held up by SCOTUS recently I believe or it was I think their affirmation was held no no not held up I mean it was affirmed they were like yes you're allowed to go through any final thoughts what do you guys think I mean it didn't I agree with everyone that I mean this changed everything it didn't yeah this this was the transforming this is yeah transformed uh you know after watching Biden's brain melt in this very desk I'm not sure it'll ever, nothing will ever. Nothing's ever gonna come back to that. That was legendary. We were all eating the takeout food and like, whoa. Thank God we had the ceiling cap. Yeah, the ceiling cap. Yeah, there was that fame of you and me being like covering our faces. I was like in shock. Like this, I was like, oh, I mean, we knew it was bad, but we didn't know it was that bad. Medicaid? You knew the coverup that you'd been engaging in had finally been exposed. That's right. We won't be able to tell people that he is, what were some of the things people would say? like this is the best Biden's ever been. Isn't that what Scarborough said? Oh yeah, the best Biden ever. He outworks us all from 10 to 2. From 10 to 2. There's a brief window from 1 p.m. to 1.15 p.m. where this man is unstoppable. My takeaway is honestly that this is- I need to stop talking, in fact. The State of the Union is now a fucking clip show. Like it's a clip show. No, you're totally right. That's where we are now. Absolutely. And I mean, whatever. Yeah, I'm with you. That's what everything is now. It's all a clip show. We'll go back tomorrow. You know, the news, maybe tomorrow there'll be some something. Yeah. We won't go back tomorrow. State of the Union. Yeah. Yeah. After that, like by Thursday, I'm predicting there's not even going to be a single mention. I will say one thing I saw someone made a comment of on Twitter is, you know, one of the special guests there was Erica Kirk, wife of Charlie Kirk, widow of Charlie Kirk. And there is a disgusting irony to having her there at a speech where he's, you know, very likely going to war with Ron at a time when, you know, I mean, Charlie was one of those people who came in the White House and got barked at because he was opposed to the previous war to so to now have her at that speech when, you know, we're all basically expecting that this is coming any day is really good point. Honestly, he would have been, I mean, look, you know, you could say a lot about the guy, but on this topic, he actually was, I mean, look, he at times would go silent when the administration would ask him to. But his actual opinions on the matter, especially on Iran, were pretty rock solid, especially Lindsey Graham going after Ayatollah, saying there should be no regime change. I have really noticed it, actually. I feel like the anti-war movement has evaporated, basically. There's nothing left. Yeah, and look, I'm not here to, like, you know, give Charlie Kirk the greatest credit in the world, but it is noteworthy. I think two things happened. I mean, number one, he was killed, and number two, there is this sense that, like, oh, the 12-day war was fine. Like, you guys were wrong. and I think that's cowed a lot of people into silence. A thousand percent. You just don't see the same level of friction on the right that you did in the buildup to the 12-day war and the Democrats. Some of it has to be disbelief. Are we really doing this again? Yeah. I think with the public, I do think that there's that sense of that. Oh, I keep saying that. People are not paying attention. Even with the speech. We just did the war. We're doing another war? Dude, Ryan, they barely paid attention to that one. Think about how much stuff has happened in the interim. No Americans died. That's their favorite talking point. Nobody died in the bombing. Why were you so upset about it? And I was like, because I knew that this shit wouldn't end. I knew that we were going to be back here at the trial. But think about how deeply you have to pay attention. All this negotiation and, oh, they're meeting again. What? Okay, whatever. Scarier Strike Group, when's it getting there? People have a lot going on in their lives. So until the bombs really start flying, I don't think people – I really – if you took a poll, I don't think 90% of people – Well, in this case, we must have tens of thousands of people over there by now. Yeah, we do. like on all the different shit. We have tens of thousands of people there normally, but now we have extra tens of thousands. Yeah, exactly. This is the problem. I mean, yeah. I mean, there's no case being made. There's no hearing. The opposition party is saying that he needs to make a case. There's no organized effort. What, there's that story out this morning or this afternoon that, what was it? They're trying to kill the Ro Khanna, Thomas Massey, War Powers Resolution vote because they don't want anybody to go on the record. We're being sleptwalk into the entire thing. It's very, very World War I-esque. It could blow up in Venezuela still, too. Oh, of course it could. What? I mean, yeah. Could we all trust the great stewardship of Marco Rubio down in Venezuela and his ability to broker oil deals? I mean, any of these things can collapse. Look at Mexico. They killed the cartel guy and the city went on fire. It could have been 10 times worse. American tourists could have been killed. It could have been a full-blown conflagration. You have no idea when something is going to pop off. Any last thoughts, Ryan? No. That's all I got. All right. Thank you guys so much for watching. 11.47 p.m. Brutal. Brutal, man. And you haven't been up this late in a long time. Probably election night, honestly. I can't even think of the last time I was awake at this ungodly hour. I don't think I ever go to bed before this. The sun will be up early. Really? That's crazy. You are insane. That's crazy. That's my bedtime. That's crazy behavior. Anyway, Ryan, as a parent, dude, I don't know how you're pulling the schedule. He's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your wife is a saint. And he's a mogul now. Yeah, that's true. He's a media mogul. That's right. That's true. All right. Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you all very, very much. We'll have some clips up tomorrow. Full show on Thursday. We'll see you all then. You know Roald Dahl. he thought up Willy Wonka and the BFG. But did you know he was a spy? In the new podcast, The Secret World of Roald Dahl, I'll tell you that story and much, much more. What? You probably won't believe it either. Was this before he wrote his stories? It must have been. Okay, I don't think that's true. I'm telling you. The guy was a spy. 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