Robots Takeover Tesla! Porsche Kills the Electric Car! Doug's Roadtrip!

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Filippo. I'm Nick. Kennan's out today. We got a lot to cover. Let's start with the big news story. Our Euro road trip is live. Folks, if you haven't seen, we did a road trip where we took our cars to Paris, California. Yeah. And we the next multiple up my Audi A2, Filippo's 5008 Barth. We did that. There's a great video on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. I'm told it's hilarious. I've only watched part of it. I can't wait to see it. That's just video one. There's going to be two more coming. Two more coming. The cars are for sale. Indeed. I find it interesting that we're selling the cars prior to all of the videos going live. The auctions will end, and then people will buy the cars, but then later there may be videos that the people— All the videos come out while the auctions are still live. It's a 10-day auction, a special treat for us Cars and Bids insiders. We're really milking the system here. I'm a little bit anxious about the fact that both the multiple and the A2 are at 6969, which is obviously a joke bid, but I believe that is their value, if not more than their value. Whoever put that bid in is going to regret it because he or she will end up with the card. I'm going to throw out there. We spent almost eight grand on multiple now. We're good. Oh, hey! Well, we are. That is for sure. Then it's sold. That is for sure. No, they've got a ways to go. We paid more than that. Nick and I have some sort of, yeah, we paid more than that. We radically overpaid for both of these cars so we could do a Euro road trip with them. Oh, that's an interesting point. And it's great. Go watch it, even though I myself have not. By the time you've seen this, I will have watched it. I saw it for the first time this morning when it went live. So good. Super happy with how it came out. I saw the first 10 minutes. It was really funny. We were all a little silly and out there. I'm getting dragged in the comments, rightfully so, for being a typical American. What they don't know is that then in the next video, you're going drag racing. What they also don't know is, je m'appelle Nicolas Rangon. Nope, nope, nope. I'm French. Move on, move on, move on. Euro car road trip. Go watch it. The Cars and Bids YouTube channel. We're going to talk more about it next week. But it's a great video series with great cars. Filippo's finally going to rid himself of his 500 Abarth. Thank God. It's gone. And I'm so glad the A2 and the Multipla will also be gone. The office will be rid of these vehicles. Sad. A lot fewer Italian vehicles once they're gone. Don't buy these cars, by the way. They're all bad. Definitely buy them. And also buy the Multipla. It's the best of the three. It is my favorite of the three. I knew my wife was like, Doug is going to talk down on your Multipla. Do not let him do it. And you know what? I forgot to talk to you before the pod. So I'm telling you now, the Multipla is a gem. It's the only one in the country. And it is worth at least $40,000, $50,000. So here's the deal. So Filippo doesn't really care anymore just wants his car gone. I didn't buy the E2. The company bought it, so I don't care what it's for. I care. The only person who cares about the sale price of this car is Nick. And Nick and I have a bet going about what we think it's going to be. Yeah. But I'm not going to share the bet because I don't want people to overbid. We don't promote betting markets here. Right. God knows. Unless one of them sponsors us. Then we're all over it. Hagerty did sponsor the series, which is really fantastic. Yeah. And they insure two of the cars, so they will be happy when they sell and they're potentially off the board. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it. Sean's probably going to yell at me later, but I'm so glad we have Hagerty as a sponsor. Yeah, that's great. Like, I literally have been a Hagerty customer. I spend thousands of dollars with Hagerty every minute. And now you indirectly get some of that back. I don't get any of it back. I don't get any. I use all of your sponsors. If someone wants to give a free T-shirt like Dodge at Bear Jackson, I have underwear from, I think I have chubbies I'm going to wear tonight in the hot tub. The next news story is sponsored by Nick Rochon's YouTube channel, which is Tesla is killing off the X. It's actually kind of a dystopian story because it's not Tesla who's killing off the S and the X. A robot has come to kill these cars. Honestly, that's what's happening. Tesla has said that they need the production line capacity to build humanoid robots. Now, what they didn't say is that the Model S came out in 2012 and has received a single refresh in 2017 and has been the same. And the Model X came out in 2016 and hasn't really been refreshed ever. The Model S, they changed the front. That was the refresh. I'm sure they've said there have been other ones. There have been, though. There was one refresh. We all agree there's one. The Model S, I believe, I haven't looked this up, but I really think it might be the oldest new car on sale. The Challenger is gone. The Charger is gone. The old bodies. Is the Chevy Express still on sale? The Macan came out after, so yeah. Chevy Express is technically dead, but about. Is the Express still on sale or not? It's dead? What about the GMC Savannah? I believe they're both dead. I think you're right. You could still buy the Econoline chassis trucks, so maybe that is. The Model S, though, was so far ahead of its time when it came out that it was able to have this long generation, which is 15 years. Wow. However, it is gone. The X is gone. You know, a couple of interesting things about this. To me, the most interesting thing, like what killed them ultimately was that they did the exact same products but cheaper. And I was making this point to Rivian yesterday. The R2 is – Rivian small SUV that's coming. Like an R1S, but littler. And ultimately, the Model X, once the Y came out, the X was really only selling to people who absolutely needed the space. Yep, or wanted the doors. Yeah. But three-row SUVs are huge, bigger. I think a revised Model X could do well. I think the Model S, maybe you let the big sedan market. Yeah. My problem with the X and with the Rivians is that the Range Rover, you buy it. It looks totally different. Yeah. Compared to a Velar or a Discovery or an Evoque, the Range Rover looks real. The X, it's hard to tell. A normal person can't tell the difference between a Y and an X. A normal person, we can. I agree, although Audi is also famous for all their models looking very similar, just slightly different. The A8 is dead. Yeah, and how has that worked for them? The A6 and the A8 are both dead in the water. A lot of companies think having a similar design language is a good thing. Different packaging, you want three rows, you want two rows, you want big, you want medium, you want small. I think I'm surprised that they're discontinuing the SUV. The big sedan is not a surprise. I think the reason it's not surprising is that they've been out for a long time. They're frankly very stale. They're not selling that well. But you refresh it. You remodel it. And they don't want to invest in it, which I guess. They don't want to invest in it because they want robots. I think the truth is what they find is that there's not a huge market for this vehicle because other than the third row, it's indistinct and it's really expensive. And also coming out with another one does not help their stock price. They're going to build humanoid robots. What is the market for the robots? Dude, you don't want a humanoid robot? No. Remember the two-door taxi? That is coming out. Remember Whistlin? The kind of big brain stuff this company. Whistlin bought one and taught it to attack things. The robot? Run around with a sword. It was amazing. Whistlin arrested again. I know. I know. Anyway, X and S are dead. No surprise for those who've been following the industry. I agree with you. It's not surprising, especially about S. Yeah. The big sedan market is slow. This car was a huge deal when it came out. I just recorded a video of the most impactful cars in the last 30 years. That's one of them. And I put that as number one. Spoiler alert. Subscribe so you don't miss it. Don't you think that that – Yeah, yeah, 100%. That car changed the world. The Prius might be more, but you said 20 years? That was number two. The 03. 20 years? The 03 Prius specifically. That car changed the absolute world, but Tesla now pairs down. We have just the 3 and the Y. Also, are they investing that heavily in any – I do wonder where their R&D dollars are going. The 3 came out with refreshed. Will there be a next generation? They're kind of coming to the end of that timeline. They should have one in progress. Why do you think they're coming in that timeline? This car lasted, I mean, the three came out in 18, didn't it? So this is six years after. So they got six more years of the three. It's hard for Tesla because their design language is this very specific thing. And they can't really deviate. And so it's like, where do we go from here? The tech is already what the tech is. Eventually, they'll need to redesign it, maybe. Unless they're going to like an iPhone S where there's some small changes. Or maybe, here's a counterpoint. Maybe Tesla just gives up on the car biz. Maybe they're like, we made our point, we're out. I know it's laughable to say this right now, but the self-driving thing is no longer class-leading. The giant screen everybody has. They've given up their supercharger network to everybody else. They've given the charging ports and charging standard. Maybe Tesla just quietly over the next 10 years just says, we killed it. We changed the world. Now we're going to walk away and let everyone else handle it. Yeah, that's what companies with a $2.3 trillion market cap do. No, then you move on to humanoid robots. Oh, well, yeah, yeah. That's actually possible. And AI. That's the next frontier. SpaceX and XAI, which is the AI arm of X, I guess, are joining forces to become a single company. I just don't see what Tesla has anymore that is like that big of a deal. Well, the Model Y was the best-selling car in the world last year. Okay, so they have the best-selling car in the world. But other than that, no, you get my point, though. Like the advantages. Tesla for years had these massive advantages over all these other car companies. And like his – They've got to innovate, and I get not wanting to, if they do want to continue in the car industry, not just do cyber cabs. Yeah. Which they would. We need to see, like, a real, something real like these cars. I wouldn't invest in these. I would reinvest in the next generation Model 3, next generation Model Y. Yeah, right. That's where the market segment is. Those are global cars that sell really well. Okay. It's still interesting to see these beloved cars canceled. And speaking of canceled. Apparently. Porsche is considering cutting their electric sports car entirely. This has been a crazy arc on this podcast. We're at episode 97. The first episode is, oh, the Boxster is going to go away. Then eventually the Boxster is gone. And then eventually, oh, now they're thinking about maybe doing a plug-in hybrid or a gas one alongside an electric one. Now here we are. The electric one is dead. And by the way, Porsche is thinking about canceling it. It's dead. The news articles around it are basically – there have been mounting costs to get the platform to where they want it to be and to get the car to where they want it to be. So I imagine they're pretty deep in production. And despite all these costs, it's still undesirable. Like no matter how much money you spend on this thing, ain't nobody want it. Yep. Kind of like your shirt, honestly. What are those? Apparently they – You're good for that price. They had – we talked a month, two months ago about maybe there will be a plug-in hybrid version. Adding that to this platform seems like it's been really difficult. They're just considering scrapping it entirely. Give us a flat six. That's right. Even like a Voxer. Remox and all that for a million dollars plus. Pinaferita, Batista. Although I did drive a new Cyberster. Oh, yeah? Just like your granddaddy's old MG. Yeah. The turn signals were a big fan. Yeah, they were. I'm not surprised by this at all. No. Bring back the flat six. You could win all the enthusiasts back with a 983 that has a flat. Technically, the 718 was the 982. Yeah. You could bring them all back. with a flat six and just say, we're coming back, baby. Everybody would be into it. The Boxer doesn't surprise me as much, but you're saying all EVs. So like the Macon. No, no, just the mid-engine sports car. Or just the mid-engine sports car. It is being rumored that they are getting rid of. Are EVs mid-engine? And they're naturally aspirated. That's the thing. Everybody's all up on these NA cars. Remember, the Model S Plaid is the fastest naturally aspirated. I have a real question. So you normally define it by where it is relative to the axles, but the motors usually are on the axles or on the wheels. Mid-engine? Front-engine? I think at this point you would define it based on the weight distribution and the feel. So it depends on the car. Because all the batteries are in the floor. The batteries are in the middle. The floor, yeah. They're all mid-engine. In a way. It's a mid-engine sports car. In a way, I think that as a result of that, electric lends itself kind of okay to a pretty good – the batteries, they tend to be low, so they keep the center of gravity low. And they tend to be in the middle. Optional. Yeah. And instant torque. Yeah. Audi would not get their complaints about the weight being too far forward with a Jeep. No. There are benefits to it. And that Hyundai now shifts gears, which is great. All right. These are probably dead. Goodbye. Goodbye and good riddance. Nobody wanted them anyway. No. I legitimately did. You're the only one. I know. And you never would have spent the money on it. Without a singular doubt. Now it would have cost 90 grand after all the supply reasons. No doubt. Next story. Oh, speaking of dead. This surprises nobody, but the Lexus LC is dead. Shame. After one more year or something like that. This year, I don't know. This car. Could have been. This car is special. Yeah, could have been. This car is going to go down as special, and it will. It's an NAV8. It is beautiful. They didn't sell many of them. This car is going to go down as a special, special car. It's the Mark IV Supra of our generation. You give it 20 years, 25 years, but in that time, this car will go down as a truly special car. It still looks like a concept car. Still looks like a concept car. I actually think that when they left remote touch and went to normal screen, it's those that are going to be the most desired. There's going to be three model years of really desirable LC. They're all going to be desirable except for the hybrid ones, but this car is going to be special someday. It is. By that same logic. He's looking at the previous model. The S400. The 90s C400 It's different It's a beautiful car with a performance car It's different This was the last NA V8 It was a real fast car The Lexus SC Despite enthusiasts claiming that the first gen wasn't Has always been a soft Luxury car This car is going to be special I think it was a soft luxury car Are you nuts? But the people that you do see driving them You assume it's comfortable enough for their 80 plus year old life Who do you see driving a 911? Who do you see driving a 911? You call that a soft luxury car? I haven't seen someone under 90 driving a new 911 in 15 years. Seems like 50-year-old women. The average buyer age of a new 911 has got to be 77 years old. This car is a special car, and I think it's going to go down, especially those last few model years, the best improvements, losing remote touch. You're right, though, that it's going to take a while. It's not going to be in a couple of years. If you've paid attention to values for these already, they're already okay. This car is already, like, yeah, like, early used ones are still, like, in the 50s, valuable cars. And the market is already appreciating this car for what it is. It's always going to be a small group of people, but as the hybrids come and the plug-in hybrids and all this dumb stuff. Ignore the hybrid one of these. Ignore the hybrid one. All the buyers did. I also like that they came in cool colors. Cool colors. Bright yellow ones are going to be, like, purple. 20 years from now, someone's going to be like, I'm going to have a bright yellow V8 last of the last Toyota Lexus. On cars and bids 2055. This will be a huge, huge. 2055. I'll come back to episode 95. What do you think is going to age better, this or the LFA? This has already aged better than the LFA. It looked better than the LFA from day one. It drives better. It's better in every single way. It's a 15th the price. We're doing well. The LFA has slightly better sound. Yeah, the LFA sounds better. I mean, I'm sure there's other things that the LFA has got more letters in its name. I mean, there's other dumb stuff that the LFA – this car was always a better halo car. It just – at the end of the day, the market simply isn't really there for a Lexus coupe no matter how good it was. This car goes down as a very special car. Buy your LC500s, folks. Enjoy them. You got one more year. A reliable – I mean, look at ISFs. That car is 15 years old, 20 years old. They have retained their value. That doesn't mean they've appreciated. I'm not saying it's going to go crazy appreciation. You would have been sitting on this pod being like, the Mark IV Supra will never be worth anything. Just like that. That's an interesting point. You would have said that about all these cars. You know, we got a Z32 over there. You ever driven one of those? No. We're going to find out how it is, how much it's worth. It's amazing. This basement is stacked right now with close stuff. 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I don't remember what the latest is on EQ, whether they're completely canceling it or roaring it back. It'll change tomorrow, whatever we say. But either way, the hyperscreen has now made its way into the Xbox. Also, heated seatbelts. Heated seatbelts. The hood emblem is illuminated. There's a lot of good gimmicks, for lack of a better word. But they've taken this car and this platform so far. There's really no room for improvement. They've won the race. They've climbed Kilimanjaro. Where do you go from here? Alex Honnold climbing up that building in Taiwan. I do think about this a lot. It's funny. We've been talking about the death of the large luxury sedans. Acura RL, Jaguar XJ, Audi AA. Like, they're LXS, LS. They're all slowly. Yep. Not this one. The S-Class is more than a car, though. It's a brand. It's like a whole lifestyle. At one point, when I worked for Porsche, I remember the head of product planning told me, BMW is known for the 3 Series. Mercedes is known for the S-Class. It's a little different now because the SUVs have come, but Mercedes is still like the S-Class. And this, as when all the other luxury sedans are dead, this will still be, you know, prevailing amongst them all. Do we like the new headlights? I think it looks great. Yeah, I agree. I think it looks nicely updated. I think it's attractive. Oddly, a lot of people online sort of are mixed on the reaction. Every single time a new car is shown for the first time, people online complain about it. I just thought it was surprising. Every time. Surprising. I agree. But this is, to me, a pretty incremental difference. It is. It's like you have to have them right next to each other to tell the difference. So for people to be like, oh, it's awful, it's like it's barely noticeable. Barely noticeable. But I do think there will probably be minor. The current S-Class is one of the great cars that I have. It's amazing. And there's an e-performance version with 850 horsepower, 1,200 pound-feet of torque that's going to be 38 grand in six years. It is such a great product range. It is such a great car. And now it's got heated seatbelts. And please buy one new so that Nick can buy it for 30 grand in six years. The heated seatbelts, by the way. So, you know, heated armrests, heated steering wheel, heated seats. Heated panels. Normal. Heated seatbelts are new. Yep. They also have a safety benefit. Can you guess what it is? They keep you warm so that you do not freeze to death in your S-Class. Yeah. They keep you warm so you can remove your coat and outer layers, and so the seatbelt fits snugly. The giant heating system in the car doesn't have that benefit, but the heated seatbelt. Correct. I'm not joking. That was part of their PR. That's the kind of dumb crap that people repeat on Reddit in 20 years. No, it also did this. It's like those – remember those taillights that were the horizontal stack taillights on the 124s and stuff. They had those little cutouts supposedly to dissipate dirt. People still repeat that. It has never made any sense. And by the way, Mercedes stopped doing it. So if they were so good at dissipating dirt, you'd think they would have kept it up. Well, people are still like, no, it's there to dissipate dirt. Okay, move on to the next news story. The Acura RDX is being canceled. You don't think this is a big news story. I think this is a massive news story. It's a huge news story. It's their only car in the hottest segment. What percentage of sales is the RDX? Acura sales. Acura sold last year the MDX, the ADX briefly, the TL. Okay, I didn't ask you to name the Acuras. But good job. 30 30 of Acura sales is the RDX and they are canceling it and not Wait was that right Yeah it is also on the pod doc So you know what a surprise No one reads that For the record it is not But it... Cut this part out. I will not have my integrity questioned. Integrity is the Acura you forgot, by the way. Yeah. 30% of Acura sales last year were the RDX. They're canceling. Now, they're bringing it back in 28 as a hybrid. But I thought this was interesting. Can you imagine Lexus or Mercedes being like, we'll be back in two years with the S-Class. We'll be back in two years with the RX. Subaru, we'll be back in two years with the Outback. I think that this, even though it's a minor thing, is kind of an illustration of how Honda views Acura and the level of investment and interest they have in continuing this brand. And they claim they have enough inventory to sell through the end of this year, and then they're going to take a little break. Yes, also. Yeah, I know. And then they're going to come out with a new one. And it's like, this is, you don't have a small midsize crossover. Like, this is it. Also, you can just kind of slow down production. If you have enough inventory, nobody needs to know. Well, remember, though, they're coming out, and I don't know exactly what's made in what factory, but they're coming out with a brand new midsize electric crossover. Are they? The RSX, remember? Which will be dead in the water. Which we've seen during car week last year. Yeah. Well, no one is going to buy that. Yep. And the theory is, Acker has been in the press. Oh, we're canceling the RDX, but we're confident we're going to improve year over year in sales. Oh, yeah, but the RSX, you're going to sell six. The ADX is what's going to fail. I saw one on the road, so I was shocked. This, you cannot get away with it. The RDX and the MDX are the core. And the concept that Honda feels that it's like okay to take a two-year gap, I would be livid if I was an Acura dealer. Absolutely livid that this is happening. Yes. Remember when automakers would just extend the other product line to overlap? Yeah. The Malibu Classic. Malibu Classic. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you should have done that. I do wonder about whether we should start an Acura Death Watch. We've been critical of Honda on this podcast for being conservative with their vehicles. Yeah. And they have this great core product thing, and then they're afraid to invest outside that. It's starting to get to a point, though, where it's becoming detrimental. Like they are literally leaving. It used to be like they don't want to try too much because they might lose money. Now they're literally leaving stuff on the table. And if they don't think Acura is a viable brand, this is how you signal it. Agreed. It's insane to cancel your largest segment car at the 30% of your volume. 30% of your volume. MDX, probably another 30%, 40%. It feels like killing it would be too assertive a decision by Honda. I know this is not a major news story. The RDX is not really an enthusiast car, but it does speak to me, again, about Hondas being too conservative and, again, about whether the Acura brand really, truly lasts. I didn't realize Acura is only selling about 140,000 cars a year. is really not a strong brand. What's odd, though, is compared to the Nissan and Infiniti situation, Honda's brand is incredibly strong. Yeah. And I still think for normies, Acura's brand is really strong. I agree. Because it's a deviant or variation of Honda. And Honda has so much love for its dependability. I truly think if Honda really invested hard in Acura, they could have a pretty successful brand. Honestly, I don't even think they need to work that hard at it. No. Just take the Honda products and badge engineer them. Like, it's fine. Like, I want an Acura Pilot. My wife would drive that. The MDX exists. Yeah, that is the MBS. Okay. Well, then we'll look at that. They need more product. It's a good-looking car. They need more product for sure. And they've had some false starts thinking, oh, the Integra is going to work. Oh, this and that. They definitely just need to be in more segments with SUVs. And I think that they're having trouble. BMW can get away with it because they make cool cars that people want to get. If Acura making eight SUVs is probably not likely. Nonetheless, there is something here that is better than what is happening. And it's interesting to me that they're not even willing to put investment into continuing this very popular car. It's also a shame. The RDX is a dated product. I get why they don't want to sell it anymore. Have you seen the interior? Yeah, it is. But that's for all Honda interiors. Have you seen an Odyssey interior, dude? Yeah, it's that. There's Sienna's on the same. Well, it came out the same here. But the Civic is so competitive, incredibly competitive. The core, competitive product. For now. The CR-V is still a competitive product. Are you kidding? The Pilot is a brand-new product. They've invested in their Coralina, except for the Acura RDX interior, which still has a screen and a giant center console. Both of those cars have old interiors. They are not putting the investment in Acura. Again, I wonder if we should be starting an Acura Infinity Death Watch. Initially, it was just an Infinity Death Watch. We're watching the clock on that. Now, we add Acura. Move on to the next news story. Oh! This is a C8 Corvette. It's like a boomer gallery. That might be a Corvette Grand Sport. In Admiral Blue, which was the color with the same stripes. Well, the stripe on the C4 was in the front, but okay. You've got to make it look for the car. Apparently, there's going to be a Grand Sport coming for the 2027 model year. Somebody saw it doing some testing. And there's talk that it will have a new LS. Correct. There's talk that it will have a new naturally aspirated 6.7 liter LS6, is what apparently they're calling it. You think they're going to bring back the LS6? Who knows? Uh, the, the, the updated LS, which would be called the LSX, apparently. Oh. Uh, 409 cubic inches. They expect about 550 horsepower. So like between the current regular Stingray and the E-Ray. You know, the, the, the C8, don't, don't look now, but the C8 has been on sale for six years. Yeah. General Motors, who we've been a little critical of from time to time, has done an amazing job of keeping this car relevant. They have. Yeah. The ZR1X, there's still people clamoring, knocking down my door, trying to get a ZR1X video. Then there's going to come out with another version of it, which, by the way, Grand Sport was always kind of an end-of-the-line car. So you kind of wonder. Yeah, C7 Grand Sport was at the end, too. C4. But, man, the C8 still feels hot. Yep. Like, still. Yep. It truly does. It still is competitive in the segment also. Yeah. A very compelling car to this day. Yes. Like, really good to drive even six years later. Yep. Also, they retain value by Corvette standard, but they're getting a little more. What are they selling? Pull up some C8s. We sell some C8s lately? We sold some C8s. What do we got? What are they selling? We've tried to sell some C8s. Okay, 59 for a 20 with 19,000 miles. Around 60. I mean, that was modified. That was modified. Here's an unmodified convertible for 60-ish. 60. Coupes in the 50s. 60, honestly, is holding its value pretty damn well for a six-year-old. I mean, what were C7s doing in 20? I mean, for context, this 2024 had an 81 sticker now in the mid-50s. That's pretty solid. I'm into the C8 still. I've loved it since the day it came out. You know what? I'm going to say something controversial. I don't even think it looks bad. I think it looks good. And soon there will be a new engine and a new... Mahler? I don't know. And the Grand Sport's also cool just because I feel like to some ways appeals to the younger audience. Like, we all played video games with the C4 Grands 4. Like, I'm excited for this. Like, and I'm not your typical Corvette buyer. Man, what if they did a manual? Oh, that'd be so cool. Can I say, the E-Ray is an appealing vehicle. E-Ray's appealing. The market does not agree. The market hates it, no surprise. But it's an appealing vehicle. The performance numbers on E-Ray are unbelievable. And also, personally, I think it might be the best looking. Yeah. It's just like a very simple, clean look. Like, the Z06 is obviously more exciting and desirable as a car. but you start adding stuff that really kind of detracts from the e-ray is nice also electric motor and the grand sport is supposed to be like more like a 911 r right like the driver focus it was more it's always been more clarity maybe like it's a strip driver focused without kind of necessarily some of the crazy power yeah yeah yeah gts is probably where it would land in the 911 expert porsche equivalent in terms of like they're really developing from just the 911 to a full lineup of special vehicles. All of which are desirable. The Corvette people are the same way as the Porsche people about options and stickers. And are apparently willing to pay huge money. The 01 and 01X are like real money cars. Also insane performance. Excited for this if it happens. Weeknights in my house are chaos. Juggling work, dog walks, activities, maybe a workout if I'm lucky. 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Well, they got to keep selling it. That sounds like a performance improvement plan for an underperforming employee. We do not comment on you. They also then said that this car helped them develop the new midsize body-on-frame truck. We thank you for its contributions and wish it a soft landing wherever it may end up next. We'll write it a letter of recommendation. So, yeah, it's going to be that. You'll continue to get benefits for the next one to two months. I'll give it Cobra. The Santa Cruz was cool. And honestly, I think it was pretty desirable. Yeah. I always knew this would be its fate. Everyone who's ever tried to mess around with something that is a non-standard pickup truck has ended up not. The Ridgeline. The original Ridgeline, like the Baja. Like this was always going to happen. The Maverick was – they came out like the exact same time, and the Maverick was always a much more practical, realistic, large sales number vehicle, whereas this was always more of a lifestyle car. One of their pitches though about this was that the entire front end is basically a Tucson, and so it probably didn't – like it probably wasn't that difficult to develop. So I'm into it. Also, they sold 155,000 Mavericks in 2025, 25,000 Santa Cruz. It was never intended to be that level. The pricing was very different. That's not bad. 25,000? It's not that bad. If you're Hyundai, it's not worth it. Also, they're coming out with a body-on-frame mid-size. Ultimately, the big news is that Hyundai is canceling this to make way for, much like the original Hyundai Genesis kind of made way for the Genesis brand. like there's always with the koreans there always seems to be like a little toe dip into the pool before that you like cannonball i could have gone i'm so glad nick didn't say that on air it's true though like they've done this in a lot there's been a lot of ways that this has happened right like the the the big genesis and then there was the g9 as then it became a brand the the hyundai vera cruz and then they came out with the palisade like there's all these like we're gonna try this and see how it goes and then we're gonna try to do it actually like big. And the next one will be the thing. You know what? The only brand that I think did this well, the Ford Explorer Sport Track. Yeah? It was kind of like a... Which they followed up with what? They did it, but I thought that car was cool, it was desirable, it was compelling. It was hot. At the time, it was hot. The Avalanche probably exists because of it. The Avalanche definitely exists because of it. That whole segment was spawned at that time, and the Sport Track started it all. However, I would argue that eventually it had the same fate, which was like, you can't do much with it, and eventually you just have to... The Ridgeline, though? still exist well but the first gen the second gen ridgeline is very different from the first worst oh wow in every single measurable way the first one was cooler yeah they didn't sell many nope uh santa cruz dead door handles alive no no well dead maybe china has banned the style of door handles popularized by tesla where they're hidden and electronic only so basically what they've actually done is they've mandated that starting in 2027 all vehicles must have mechanical releases inside and out for door holes. Is this a safety feature? Yes, they've had a couple of pretty high-profile crashes where the car then lost power entirely, and they couldn't open the doors. First responders couldn't open the doors at all. Passengers inside couldn't open the doors. I'm a little confused. The Model S, the door handle, you walk up to the car, they pop out. In this door handle, which is from a Model Y, it doesn't do that, but it is electronic. You push part of it. But I think it's not mechanical. Yeah, it's definitely electronic. There would need to be a mechanical override. You pull it further and then it'll – Which is, by the way, how some work on it. Automakers have been going crazy experimenting with all sorts of different door handle technology in part because shaving the door handle, which essentially is what this does, is an aero benefit. And by having this be a thing, I wonder what effect that will have on future door handles. Probably truly some. If we go back to normal door handles again. I mean you can still have them be mostly hidden or like have a little bit of a spot where you can grab it or some third or second door handle that allows for that. I get it from a safety perspective. There's also been some high-profile ones in the U.S., and I wouldn't be shocked if the U.S. follows suit in their own way. I'm going to tell you one thing. You know what car had electronic door handles first? C6 Corvette. Maybe the C5. With an interior mechanical release and an exterior mechanical release. Yeah, I don't actually know if they were first. People are going to be like, no, actually, such and such was first. But I remember in the C6, it was like, this is a bizarre. You push a button to get out? Like, whoa! It was wild. There have been real issues with these, and so it's not a surprise. It's not great. Tesla, interestingly, in the front doors does have a mechanical release. In the rear doors does not have a mechanical release. And in some other cars, I think the Mach-E is one of these. There is a mechanical release, but you have to remove a portion of the door panel, which maybe if your car is on fire isn't something you want to. We'll have to read the Chinese regulation closely to see. Now, the reason this is a new story for us is because whatever China dictates on these cars is going to end up affecting cars that are sold in the U.S. market, too. I have no doubt. Automakers aren't going to develop multiple door handles, so we're going to see some changes. One thing that I will note, people in the north are going to be celebrating this. Every time these electronic pop-out door handles and electronic – what happens when it freezes? I mock them, but actually it's a good point. I will say in China, 60% of the top 100 selling models have door handles that would be impactful. I'm not surprised. It's like the hot thing in basically every car. Rivians are like this. Lucids are like this. You know what's not like this is the Kia K4 hatchback. Good. We got that over there. All right, next. Oh, Hellcat Durango. Hellcat Durango lawsuit is dead. I read the whole thing. It was great stuff. So back in 20, they come out with the Hellcat Durango, which, by the way, I still think is probably my favorite Hellcat car. I'm obsessed. It's so cool. I love that, 100%. Like, what the hell was that? I remember when you reviewed it in, like, Charlotte or something. Yeah. Amazing situation, obviously. Come out with the car. And apparently there was advertising that said it was going to be limited edition. It was the last call model. Implied that it would only be 3,000 units. Subtly hinted. Last call. So people bought the car, paid over sticker because they thought it was going to be a super limited thing. Obviously what ended up happening is they sold more of them, which I think is crazy on its face to begin with. That they sold more of them or there was a lawsuit? That they continued selling them. Like I can't believe people bought them. I can't believe they came out with them. I'm thrilled it exists. So the lawsuit, the owner sued Dodge saying, hey, wait a minute. You said you'd have a limited car. The judge rejected. The case was dismissed entirely because the plaintiffs failed to show that the automaker intended to break the promise at the time the original statements were made. Boy, if only I could get that to work with my children. Hey, listen, I know I lied to you, but I didn't intend. When I first said it, I thought it was going to happen. It is kind of interesting. Basically, they didn't plan to make another one, but you have to allow the manufacturer to change their minds. But Tim Kaniscus, who's now again in charge of Dodge, said the 2021 Dodge Ringo is a single model year run, ensuring it will be a special sought-after performance SUV. You've only got one shot to buy one. So I get the anger. How does the automaker get away with this? I get the anger. That does sound like a used car salesman pushing it hard. Then all we're going to do is give many more model years. I will say, to Tim Kaniscus' credit, the 21 model year was just a single model year run. But then they also did a 22. They skipped a year, right? Yeah, I think they did. What he didn't say was there was also going to be a 22, 23, 24, 25, and 26. Which, by the way, they were also single model year runs. Can we be clear about this? You only had one chance to buy a 24 Durango Hellcat. I'm going to come to Tim Kaniscus' defense. That's crazy. He thought at the time that there was no world that the federal administration would allow him to sell this incredibly poor economy, high emission vehicle for longer than they did. He was sitting there. He's thinking not only is Biden going to kill this car, but there is no way that anyone is even going to buy it. Right. They're going to want the Dodge Wagoneer S or the Jeep Wagoneer S. And then they win. the other part of the story is do you feel bad for the people that are trying to speculate and make money off of a durango like of course that didn't work out well for you what did you expect i you know what fair point you know what the irony is i bet eventually it will work out like i look at some of these super high performance limited edition i mean not like the stock market but you look at sort of the gmc typhoon type cars were these super limited edition which this even though they made it for many more model years will remain a limited car i'm looking at track hog prices we just had a durango hellcat sell the on the site the other day for 55 with mods with yeah yeah mods and miles yeah i did not intentionally call a different site like there's still money and i bet you that i bet you that if you truly were speculating and you parked it and you did no miles like people did with their demons what have you done just keep going um updating a slack as it requires hourly pull up that for no reason yeah but just i mean that's if you were advising someone to say, become a car flipper. Here's a good asset for you to invest in. Dodge Durango. I mean, just like, it is the worst advice you could have. Get a CA, get something like a Durango. Don't forget about the one that you should flip. Uh-huh. That's right. It's not illegal to be stupid. This was a flipper car. That was, and the dude made a grand because I reviewed it the second time. They had those great wheels. Sorry for you Durango owners. I totally feel your pain. But the good news is you have a Durango Hellcat in your garage. That is a pretty good compilation. All right, next news story. I can't believe we're still doing the news. Toyota has teased a three-row nobody cares about it. It might be a minivan, but it also might be an electric highlander. What do we say in minivan? I think what the door says minivan to me, but it is almost certainly an electric highlander. Electric highlander is a big deal. Or a highlander replaced in general. Electric highlander would be a big deal. I thought Toyota wasn't investing in electric. I guess we'll find out. But that would be Z. It might just be a normal highlander. Well, what is the gear lever? Does the gear lever show? is it a hybrid or electric? It doesn't seem to have a gear lever, does it? Right. Or that could be the gear lever in the middle. That's saying EV to me. A redesign Sienna would be nice. It's not an old product. I just don't think it looks nice. Yeah. But it's the best one by far. That's the story. Three row Toyota coming maybe. By the way, I want to say before I move to the next story. I can't believe you still have more news. I know. Incredibly, we have one more. Nissan today was at NADA, which is a large dealer thing. And they showed apparently pictures of the new Xterra. I've been trying to find these pictures of the new Xterra. So maybe we'll talk about it next week. Nissan was also talking a big game about growing 50% in sales volume. They're planning on not 50% next year, but they do have pretty ambitious growth. You get down to here. 50% growth isn't that hard to do. Yeah, I guess that's true. And by the way, new Xterra, you and me could make one in our garage. You take a Frontier, you paper mache a body onto it. This is not difficult. It's like what they did with the Santa Cruz. Yep. And they've been selling $25,000 a year. They did the opposite. They did the opposite. Final news story, Ford is doing something with the Chinese. Okay, I want to move on to the talk cars. I'm okay with that. That's fine. I want to move on to the talk cars segment, which is brought to you by Nick's YouTube channel. Nick Rochon. Is that what it is, or is it Crazy Nick? Crazy Nick, we call him. Nick Rochon. He got an SLR folks Come on Subscribe And the SLR broke down It did although it works again Don tell them that Make them go to the video The SLR broke down What going to happen next I'm going to lose my YouTube channel. 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Sean, make a note. Cut. Pull up, Filippo. Pull up. We never sold one that I want. It is at $8,000, which is way too much if you're thinking of jumping in. We have an E55 wagon. Sit this one at radically different. But you're talking about the S2. I want to talk about that. This is I want it. No one else been. You never sold one that I want. No, but I'll pull up this. No, no, no, no. Close enough. I want this body, E55 wagon with a third row. Left-hand drive. This is, yeah. Find one in the UK, I'll consider it. If you find a Hong Kong domestic market example, we'll talk. I've noted because that one was right hand drive. So the E55 wagon on this body, so the 210 body, I need either a 2000 or a 2001, was only sold as an E55 wagon overseas. I need one with a third row, and it needs to be silver. But only a post-facelift car. We're finding a lot of pre-facelift cars in third rows. I only want a 2000 or a 2001. Now, I'm going to do this like I did with the Arena 993 turbo, okay? I'm going to start blasting it out in every pot. I want a – yeah, send Nick a message. I want a 2000, 2001 E55 station wagon with a third row, okay? Does everybody understand? Do you understand what I'm looking for? I understand. And you're going to get flooded with non-examples of what you just described. Different generations, different motors. I got a pre-facelift. I got a black one. No, 2000, 2001, silver car with a third row, E55 only. We're not doing E430s. If you have one, Sean at carsandbids.com, S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com. Do you understand? Sounds right. And I don't, don't say anything about his bad color G-Wagon. We're going to move on from that today. E55 wagon. If it's in Europe, I don't care. Asia, I will import it. Find me the car. On a related note, the E55 currently on your site. The next generation I'm very much into. This one is high mileage. High mileage is air quotes. Are you buying this? I intend to potentially bid. Wait, this is, okay. It's got some dings on the car fact. These are reliable cars. It does not have a third row, but it's got service. I really like this car. I drove a different one over the past weekend. This one has a Rentech ECU, too. I know, I know. And you were saying the one you drove you didn't think was fast enough. Well, I mean, this also has like a supercharger pulley, a couple things. So this one, and you have a B5 RS4 on the site, both of them. I've never bought a car on the site, and I really want to fix that this year. So I'm refreshing my watch a lot. Pull up the RS4. The RS4 is great. It's owned by the founder of Vivid Racing, which was like the site. I'm sure they're still very popular. So it's like owned by like the type of enthusiast you want to buy from. It's got a bunch of nice mods. I know who we disagree on what that means, but 034 Motorsports, like bushings, and minor stuff that improves just how tight and good it feels. I agree. PSS 9s. I would put the rear wiper back on. Yep. No, I mean, Aero, you know. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Notably Aero car. I think this is the greatest Audi of all time. I drove one while I was in Arizona, and I loved it. The R8 exists. The R8 is next. Yeah. I'll take that. Norwegian plates. This is, you loved it. The problem with the R8 is everyone's like, oh, you should have got a Huracan. There's no equivalent for the B5 RS4 where you're like, oh, you should have gotten a cooler wagon. Find me one. Find me one. Yeah. There ain't one. There ain't one that drives better. You enjoyed driving it when you drove it? I loved it. It was so usable and enjoyable and pleasant, yet it had a great turbo boost and it kicked. And you're like, yeah. It's also just the perfect size. And by then they had dialed in the steering feel. This is what I had wished the RS2 was when I bought it. And I still think the RS2 looks better, looks cooler, is cooler. It does not even come close to driving as well as this car. It's not even close. Maybe, but I think this has also aged incredibly well inside and out. On the inside, it has the right amount of nostalgia, but it's still a nice place to be. On the outside, it's special enough that any person in the cars recognizes that it's not just an S4. Totally. I think that this is truly the best guy of the time. One of the all-time great. The powertrain is amazing. The steering wheel is amazing. I always loved even a B5A4, but this was the ultimate iteration of the platform. And you know a point that someone made to me in our comments? the press color for this car is silver no really sure like think about all the all the materials the advertisements everything from back in the day it was silver it was not the now everyone there's a everyone wants the blue and the blue is like the out it's such a premium yeah yeah i mean it's not like 10 percent more it's like i know tens of thousands for gt heritage yeah it's it's a lot to swallow so you're gonna buy either this or the 55 maybe you gotta i don't want i don't want maybes nick we doing this well it depends on how high the bidding goes do i intend to throw my hat in the ring yes nick have you bid on either go bid you know what step up step up to the plate with the multiple going for sale i i do suddenly feel the need to replace it with something and unlike the multiple i went something with a little more power yeah a little bit more uh driving dynamics your only fun car right now is your slr right no i mean i think the p38 is really fun but in a different way. So your only fun... Oh, thank you. I've been trying to push him. I want the audience to know. I've been trying to push him into a Diablo. There's a Diablo for sale that is not listed, that is available to Nick that I have been begging him to pursue. He's not going to do it. He's going to regret it. A couple years he's going to sell his SLR. He's going to go after Diablo then. It will be priced out. You will not be able to afford anymore and I will rub this in your face that you could have had it. Can we note that a Diablo and a 205,000 mile E55 are in a different price back to bracket. This is not important to Doug. Yeah, but Diablos are going up in value. What, 30X difference? Diablos are going up in value. Like my Ford GT, right, I have made $150,000 in that car. You're never going to make $150,000 in an E55 wagon. But if you have a 2000 or a 2001 model, silver with a third row, send a, I'm so serious about this, I will buy it today, Sean at carsandbiz.com S-E-A-N, Sean, the Irish spelling. Do you understand? The more common spelling? I don't know. There's that. Nick, what else you got for us? I came back from Arizona Car Week. That was really fun. As someone who lives in an online auction world, seeing the in-person is a really interesting event. Much worse, of course. They're just different. It's not online and offline versions of the same thing. It's just totally the way first of all it's really fast right like you've got seconds to make decisions like i wish you had a minute between each bid to like think about it the the energy of the room but then also like it's like the la auto show like there's an exhibitor hall you could buy hot tubs cigars get tattoos you could buy all that i have a friend two friends that bought hot tubs there oddly enough and i think it was like that we didn't win the car but like i've been thinking of a hot tub anyways like it's like this vegas level of just like all your logic goes out the window and you're It's like I'm buying something. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. I love our site, and I think there's actually benefits for both buyer and seller on a platform such as ours. However, there is something fun about the electric feel of being in the room at a physical auction. Sometimes that leads to interesting results that people later regret, buyers and sellers, to be honest. I think having the real time to really think through the car can be significantly beneficial. but it's fun. It's more fun. It's more of a spectacle. There was, without naming names, a handful of cars that I saw that were bought on either Cars and Bids or Bring the Trailer sold at Bear Jackson for less than they paid. You know what I mean? It can go either direction. It's not that one is better or worse, necessarily. It depends on the car. But the experience of going to one was really fun. Certainly interesting to check out. Even if you're a huge fan of our platform, even if you work for our platform, even if you like the Bring the Trailer, it's worth spending time going to online. The other thing that I'll get on your soapbox is a non-cars and bids employee that I can say that you all maybe can't. People complain about buyer's fees on cars and bids or bringing the trailer. It was $500 to register, just to register to bid for the privilege of there. Then I had to show proof of funds, including like, or take out a loan in order to be approved to bid up to a certain amount. You make crazy Nick show proof of funds, you're going to run into some sketchy stuff. All right, here's one bank account, and here's another bank account. And if you add those two together, and then think about how much credit line I have in this bank account. Also, there's a buyer fee and a seller fee, both of which are 10% to 12%, depending on that. So like the 4% to 5% is it? I should know this. Cap is $75. It's a bargain. So like, yeah, complain all you want. This isn't something that the online auction house is made up. In fact, they do it way cheaper. Yeah, so much. It's insane. Huge, huge benefit. It does factor in. For me, when I was thinking all those, I'm like, okay, immediately add at least 10%. Huge benefit to buyer and seller, honestly. Buyer obviously pays less, but seller gets more for the car on these platforms. Sometimes you will see results at the physical auctions like, oh, this sold for way more than you saw at Bring the Trailer Cars and Bids. Well, let's start playing with the numbers, right? Because there's a 10% buyer's fee. There's a 10% seller's fee. Those are factored in, right? How much more would the buyer have paid if there were no fees? Well, you'll never know because those guys make sure to get theirs. Whereas we democratize the platform. We're basically running a charity, a nonprofit organization. Also, you know, the table in the back of the room, let's look at a bid on Carson Bids. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing that happens at the physical auction. Obviously not accusing anybody in particular. The lampshade in the back places more bids than anybody else. The auctioneer also won't ding the rearview mirror as they're pulling off the stage. That was wild. So an F-50 got purchased at one of the auctions. Not during car. It was not. It was the person driving it out who were just like random people from the local civic society or something like that hit it on a wall. Smash it. Like Doug did. I would want so much Remedy. I would want like an unbelievable amount of arbitration at that point, especially because it's all over Instagram. Okay, I want to move on now to, oh, you want to talk about something? The Abarth and the Multiple. Do we want to talk about how they're for sale? You're desperate for people to buy them? Yeah, pretty much. I can't sell my own car. By the way, I want to be really clear. I've added a comment in my auction where I describe every single thing that I can think of that's wrong with the car. Like, quite at length. Wait, wait, go down. I want to see the comment. All five of the things? All right. I have done the bare minimum. Oh, wow, he's bragging about his firehawks. I've done the bare minimum to maintain this car I want to make that really clear one time one of the lights stopped working and I let it sit for a year until Kenan borrowed it and then he put a new fuse in that's the level we're talking about this is a great it's fun, it's toss-based able it is easy to drive but regardless there's some smoke coming there are no known issues the car has smoke coming out of the 10-pots under acceleration there is an oil leak in the driveway No, maybe. The top flaps around in the wake. That sounds like something I would have ghostwritten for him. Did you get Tim Kaniscus to write this about the 21st-year-old? This is your one chance to buy this perfect car except for the oil leak. The other important thing here is— The oil leak I have not seen happen. I want to be clear. What do you mean you have not seen them happen? There was a shop note from the first time I got an oil change saying there was evidence of an oil leak in the tray or whatever. I have not—I parked that car in my driveway for three years. I've not seen any oil on the ground The oil level has never changed Similar The oil has changed The oil level The smell coming out of the tailpipes was weird I had Kenneth and some other friends Tell me this was happening But then we filmed the whole video where we drag raced it I'm going to be honest with you I don't want to get into the specifics of the car It is already vastly higher than it deserves to be Mr. Magoo sees nothing wrong with the car We're good At $5,100, someone is doing you a favor today on this car. I wholly agree. Okay, we've got to move on to the market report, which is sponsored by the Nick YouTube channel. The Nick YouTube channel. Can we actually – I want it to be sponsored by Nick on Cars and Bids. Please go follow my seller profile. Oh, you want to be like – I'm number five and Filippo is number four on the leaderboard. I'm on the leaderboard. I would really like to – you don't have to unfollow Filippo. No one is asking you to do that. But if you could please just follow me in addition to or instead of Filippo, that would help. I shouldn't try to type into the... Enhance. Okay, so... So go to the followers count on the far right. I've been stuck at number five for a while. Okay. 606 for 632. Folks, if you're watching this, unfollow Filippo. Don't. And follow Nick. Don't. I think give Ed Bullion a follow, too. Sure. Let's just... Let's manipulate these a little. from the cars and bits account ed ed bullens now followed okay he sold a lot of cars with us i want to talk about uh the uh a couple things i want to talk about the r129 the r230 can we just do that really sure talking benzes it hit me the other day we sold the nice r129 the other day and it hit me that that car will never rise in value ever yep there's so many of them it simply this car it simply will never rise in value ever this was a late model in a cool color it sold for 11 Yeah, that seems like the right price. Because this car will never rise in value. And same with the R230. I walked by an R230 on the street the other day, and there's people like, you walk by, people are like, oh, that's a good-looking car. Well, it's also an $8,000 car. Wow. That's an SL55 that sold for $14,000. That's a regular SL550 that sold for $11,000, 45,000 miles. Neither of these cars will ever be worth anything in the history of time, but they're pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you want a cool kind of show it off type of car, a second home car, like it's perfect or something like that. They're also pretty reliable generally. Yeah. The 129 is a little bit more reliable. But they're both pretty stout cars. Yep. Buy one. They generally – You will not make any money. You will only lose money. But it's a pretty good value I think. I don't think you'll lose money. You'll spend money. You're going to spend money maintaining it and you won't sell it for anything. No, but you won't sell it for that much less. No, I mean the floor – It's 10 apparently. The cars are selling for eight, so you can only lose so much on these things. I really think those cars are pretty cool for the number. I feel like everyone I know has gotten hit with some kind of scam lately. Fake shipping texts, account-locked emails, or that one message that just feels slightly off, but somehow still tempting. The biggest red flag for me, anytime there's urgency mixed with money. 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Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partners. Prepaid debit card issued by Sun Bank member FDIC. Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block Inc. brand. Visit cash.app slash legal slash podcast for full disclosures. You know I want that so bad. I want that so bad. Cool car. Early WRXs are so cheap. And I think it's crazy. Go back to it. Let's talk about this for a second. They're so cheap even though they are cool as hell. Yep. This car started the whole thing. Yep. What's the last Japanese car you bought? I have a Sequoia right now. I mean like an enthusiast car. He has a Sequoia TRD So the S-Cargo doesn't count. This doesn't count. Sequoia TRD Pro. So Japanese. I had a 2013 Land Cruiser only. I sold it two years ago. Does that count? I guess. I was thinking like a sporty vehicle. I had a Skyline GTR back in 2015. But since then I've had a lot of different Japanese cars. I think it's time. And a Korean car and I bet that you don't distinguish. That was rude. maybe true but definitely rude i think those subarus this is going to sell for more because it's a late production car it's a type ra yeah would you just click on it no i want to see what else we have no go back go back some casual browsing in the middle of the pod i think this is such a cool car it's it's the mileage is unknown but it seems pretty um it pretty low wear it's not crazy modified it only has a few little things i would take off the mud flaps day one. But these are cool cars. Early WRXs are cool cars in general. And I don't understand why these don't bring more money. This car started the whole thing. The whole thing! Agreed. Should bring way more money. You want one? No. Why not? They do wagons. Have you ever seen the badging? It's this giant thing. That's stock? That's completely old. Wow. It says WRX. Two different places. That is not stock. That was at it. That is how it was done. Nick, don't you want this car? Why don't you get this? They did a wagon. They did. It's a small wagon. It's not notable. You're not a Japanese car. No, I'm into these in particular. You've never had Japanese cars ever, have you? Have you ever? I had a TSX for a minute. A tipped TSX like 15 years ago. Yeah, for two months. It's a good engine though. What else? That's it. You've never had Japanese cars. I'm telling you, you've got to get a Z32. You've got a Z32. I would like to spend some time in that later. It's so good. Or a nice NSX. I still want a Pajero Evo. Okay, we have to move on to the questions because we're coming up at the end of this thing, and we have to move on to the questions. Oh, my gosh. I thought we were making this two hours. The questions are brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest whatever. You can take the rest. Yeah, that's right. You nailed it. Cars and Bids. It is the best place to buy a multiple online in America. Is that 160? I think it's got a little bit to go. We've been selling NSXs for money. You saw the gray ones? Pull up NSXs that we've sold. We'll go to the questions in a second. The last four NSXs, there was one automatic early, early, early car. But then ours was 320,000 miles. Oh, including Ferris. Matt Ferris, that had 20,000 miles for 167. This was what, 60,000 miles for 121. You know what was the deal car, honestly, was this. Because the blue is really rare and really beautiful and really sought after. And that car had some miles so you could actually use it And it didn go for such crazy money I mean the one that live now is going to go for ridiculous money but it super low miles Do you think on OE wheels it would have done better Yeah I do think it would have done better on OE wheels And I think that that something that someone ought to do to it This is going to do so well. By the way, we have a new NSX on the site, too, which I also think is a really good car. Which at this point, cheaper. Yeah. Same price point, cheaper. Yeah. NA2s have eclipsed NC1s. God, I love this car. This car is so good to drive. You ever driven one of these? No. And I didn't get a chance to drive ours. You didn't drive ours? No, because once we started getting ready for auction, we don't. Have you ever driven any NSX? No. Oh, you're missing out. I mean, I moved it from right there, right there. Does that count? It's really nice. You know what else is nice, though, in this era? FDRX7. That is a really good car. And Z32. And then Mark IV. That's how I would rank them, by the way. If I had to rank them. RX7 above the Z32? Yeah. Oh, FDRX7 is one of the great driving cars in automotive history. It's just also one of the most painful cars to own. FDRX7, I might prefer the driving experience compared to the NSX. Wow. It weighs 2,000 pounds. It's like a Miata, but like factory-built, more legit. Like it's like a more legit Miata. The rotary powertrain is amazing. It is super light. It handles incredibly well. It's just impossible for anybody to know. The Z32 eclipsing the Mark IV is interesting. From a driver's driving perspective only. That's the perspective that some of us care about. Driving a Thugis. No, there's more to it than that. oh come on there's style there's there's design there's practicality there's reliability there's there's technology there's all this stuff yeah do you think style is equivalent no reliability the super looks better the super is more reliable the the 2jz is not only more reliable but more tunable that three liter is not bad yeah okay uh fine the questions are brought to you by nick and his uh the electric charger shirt nick you want to tell us straight i was told this was a gas one i asked specifically i think what she said was which do you want it to be and then she just agreed with whatever i said next but yes this is a gas powered one oh man i hope you bought a couple if you saved that shirt in 20 years people be like i can't believe there was ever a shirt for this car good point this terrible car that we all want to forget a mustang hat they had lots of good swag what do you love they just invited me by the way to the press launch for it um i'm not gonna go because it is in vermont what new hampshire is right there it's a bunch more of a new hampshire car it's a new hampshire car for sure anyways in vermont i'm not going but you should go noted uh or you you ever want to go to a press launch in vermont i think i'm busy that day it's good they're gonna do it in the snow oh in the snow they're gonna run out some sort of snow thing for the 550 for the four-door ones the 550 horsepower and the 420 horsepower dodge invite me i'll be there that looks like it's going to be a lot of fun unfortunately it's nine planes to get to burlington so i won't be going uh okay questions first question comes from final oh by the way the questions this week were not good they were not good shame if you want to ask us questions go to the community tab we will post a post asking us asking for questions folks think of your best stuff nick's going to be back on the pod next week crazy nick ask your crazy questions i want to i want to answer the best and brightest and most special questions there were 371 questions i went through literally all of them and they were not as good as previous uh weeks nonetheless there are i found nine or so good ones all right from final funky pants who handled a nostalgic name place worse gm with the blazer or honda with the prelude i'm going to answer this and i'll take then you guys can the honda prelude is one of the worst abominations in the history of the automobile. It was absolutely horribly redone. It was a ridiculous car. Underpowered, overpriced, not going to sell. The answer is the Blazer. No doubt about it. If we can only pick between those two, it doesn't matter. Well, what else would be? The Ford Thunderbird. No. That was so cool. The Boomer Thunderbird. It has portholes. The Boomer Thunderbird. I mean, that's what the Boomers wanted, dude. I posted my video review kind of knocking it, and the comments were like, you don't understand this car. They gave people what they wanted. Did they? Is that what we wanted? Like a 200 horsepower V8? It was 300, and that's what the boomers who bought the car wanted. Were you going to spend 56 on a two-door Lincoln base? Okay. There's a lot of examples. I mean it's not just that. Hit us with some more. I think those are probably the two worst. Look at these windows, the porthole windows. That is a clean car. This was a complete commercial failure. They could not give them away. 10 grand on the secondary market. They're not really valuable. You know, I actually enjoyed driving it. It's a pretty comfortable, like, you know, kind of cruiser-type car, which I think is what it's for. It's honestly aged well, where now it looks like a concept car that escaped the museum. But the inside was bad. The interior has some bright spots. Yeah. In the dark. But what is worse? I think Blazer is the worst of all time. For sure. The Prelude by the end of the run in 2002 was a dated product too. The nameplate had kind of lost its loss. People don't talk about the fact that that fifth-gen Prelude was not really particularly beloved even then. Now, over the years, we look back with rose-colored glasses and it's become beloved. But I was there, and I remember people complaining even then that it was front-wheel drive and underpowered. Yeah, because it was. Now, these days, I think it's a pretty cool car. It is incredible. It's a good piece of that. It's incredibly cool. I think the nameplate didn't have that much value at a certain point. The Blazer nameplate, though. Especially when Bronco and Wrangler and Forerunner are here selling hundreds of thousands of units a year. And GM looked at that, and they're like, let's do a unibody crossover that only sells to rental fleets. It is one of the most laughable mismanagements in the entire history of laughable mismanagement. This is the direct predecessor. Yeah, but that happens. Like the 4th gen Camaro wasn't amazing, and then the 5th gen came out, and it was incredible. Like that happens. Nameplates kind of die off. The Mustang in 04, the new Edge, had kind of – we were kind of wondering if the Mustang was going to die completely. And then 05 shows up, one of the great redesigns in car history. Like they could have done that with the Blazer too. Also, this one looks kind of cool. Oh, yeah. The ZR2 is a low mile. It's a lot cooler than any of the trash they're making now. I give the Blazer some benefit of the doubt that I just think that they were going to build that car anyways, and then they just slapped the wrong name on it. Like that's what they screwed up. The Blazer should have been an off-road car. They could have still made what is the Blazer and just named it like some forgettable midsize SUV. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Like it's just the nameplate. GM is so afraid of making off-road cars. They're like Honda, except the problem is their core products also are bad. But like the Trail Boss, like they won't just go and make a Raptor or make a Raptor R or whatever. Or this, the Blazer. The market is so clearly demanding these vehicles, and they won't go do it. Yep. I also find it weird that ZR1 is a Corvette and ZR2. That's a really good point. ZR5, here's a very interesting trivia. Do you remember what ZR5 was? No. ZR5 was a slightly off-road trim level of the last generation Chevy S10 with four doors. Type in. I bet we've sold one. I bet we've sold one. Type in ZR5 and see if it pops up. Nope. Oh, what a shame. I saw one on the road the other day. Nope. Type in S10 ZR5. You remember the S dime, dude? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was it. It looked nice. They just sold two of them. Yeah, I do recall that. The ZR5. Yep. You're thinking, where's the ZR3 and the ZR4? No. I don't think any such thing. What was the ZX5 was the Focus 5-door. And ZS3. Yeah. Okay. You don't have a nostalgic nameplate worse handled than Blazer? You're over here talking, but I don't hear you with one. I'd have to do a little more deep research. The 500 was handled beautifully. The 500, I'm not saying that as the owner of one. Truly, that was a successful rebrand. The Bronco, really successful. Yeah, a lot of times they've done it well. Not that one, not the Blazers. The Challenger, pretty good. Relative to the Blazer, I don't think the pros are that bad. Okay, next question from T. Barrett. If you had all the money in the world, which automaker would you pay to do a special one-off car, and what car would it be? lamoo oh lamborghini lmo2 finally make me one i want a limited production i want it with the v12 like like kind of like they did with that veyron which i think is the obvious answer here give me a lamoo lm02 revival that wouldn't break down every 20 miles lm would you accept an urus with the like a santa cruz urus uh if done extremely well they could reuse some urus parts sure i wouldn't i wouldn't prefer not like let's go off-roading we got all the money in the world All of it. We want a LeMu. Yeah. And I want it to look like the original LeMu. Just modernize. Like just, yeah, modernize, tweak it a little here, give me like a decent interior and powertrain. Stick? Three-pet? Ooh. You're not a three-pet guy. I don't know. Hey, hey, hey. You got any? On off-road vehicles, generally speaking, automatics are preferable. And on your sports cars. So anyway, the only manual you have is a diesel tall hatchback. And you're getting rid of it because you want out. Yep. He doesn't know how to drive it. For me, I'd probably – LMO2 would be behind the list. I would definitely want a modernized F40. I think it would be really cool. Yeah. With a manual. Did Lewis Hamilton ever end up making one? There was talk about that, but then he raced poorly, I guess. I didn't really – Now he's dating Kim Kardashian. And now it's not happening. He's a busy man. I've got nothing. You've got nothing? Nothing. Great. Not how my brain works. So some kind of – a car that should be a manual that isn't a manual, make that a manual wagon. Make that a manual wagon. Oh, yeah. Shooting brake. Recommissions. A C8 E-Ray manual wagon. Yeah, I mean, a long roof version of the C8 would be really cool. Or a Cayman. I remember when they were going to offer that, like, make your own program. I had talked about that, and nobody did anything. Those are all possibilities. Lemieux is a good one. Lemieux is a good one. Veyron from last week's pod is kind of the, I don't know. I think that's probably the correct answer to the question. Can I propose a better looking Toyota? No, you can't. Okay, next question. You wasted your genie wish, though. Next question from Quasi Brad. This question's for you guys. Oh. It's about me, but it's for you guys. Dear Doug, what do you think you'd be doing professionally if YouTube didn't pan out? Would you have gone back in the industry? Would you have done something else? What do you think I would be doing if YouTube hadn't have panned out? I think he would have been that guy that goes on Jeopardy and wins a couple times in a row. Yeah. Just a couple. Yeah. That's not really a career, though. I think the question is more like... Well, you would have had kind of like a mid-manager role or something, but never been able to go past mid-manager because of your people skills. You would have told off your boss and kind of just got stuck at some level. But you would have then gone on Jeopardy and everyone's like, wow, that guy's really smart. And then we never would hear from you again. Okay. I mean, Jeopardy, you win a few times. You win maybe 40 grand pre-tax. For episodes. You're doing well. You're in the 40s. You would have gone big in like the early 2000s on Jeopardy when that was like something. The early 2000s, Nick, I... You could have bought a house. I turned 12 in 2000. You could have bought a house. Okay, but what's the answer? I think for a while you would have gone back into that. Like into vehicle allocation management. I would have gone back into insurance actuary. I think you would have been really bored there. And also you're too intelligent and driven to stay in a thing like that. Oh my God, he's saying people don't stay in the car industry if they're smart. No, no. You're going to say that about Tim Kaniscus? I promise. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. I do think Jeopardy! champion was a real pathway that you should have considered. And honestly, you should. And probably about the same odds as making it big on YouTube. No, it's definitely higher. Definitely higher odds of being Jeopardy! champion, of which there have been thousands. But meanwhile, on YouTube, only me and Whovie have ever made it big. Am I right? You guys are crushing it. I saw Whovie four times at Barrett-Jackson. Each time he had bought another carton the previous time. Oh, man. Dude, he was killing it. I'll tell you this, though. It's February. You know what that means. He's got to sell them all by April 15th. Text time here in the United States, April 15th. You've got to assume. Surely he has to pay quarterly. Well, but he doesn't. That's one of his things. You've got to assume that I'm going to get a text from Whovie here in the next few weeks saying he's got to panic sell some stuff on Cars. Whovie just texts us now. I've done my part. I've done my part. That might mean that he gets to come back on this podcast because usually we pay him some honorarium and he comes to do a pod with us. I tried to buy him out of the – I guess I shouldn't out what car he got, but he got a car at Barrett-Jackson that I was trying to buy him out of, but it was unsuccessful. Why don't you just buy it at Barrett-Jackson, you nincompoop? I'm sorry. It's the people skills. It's the people skills. Yes, yes. That's why you're going to be a middle manager forever. Yeah, right. Okay. Next question. This is another one about me that you guys can answer. From RamTin underscore. Hey, Doug, you've mentioned you prefer reviewing cars locally due to family and logistics. Yeah, I do prefer it. Most people prefer convenience over inconvenience. Yes. Filippo's laughing because it's not a preference anymore. It's an only. Yeah. If you received an offer to review absolutely any car in the world and could actually drive it, what is one holy grail car that make you drop everything and fly anywhere? Filippo, go ahead and answer the question. I think you know the answer. Doug's answer is going to be nothing. That's wrong. That's not the real answer. He was offered the tele-signed Columbus. He was in Italy and he turned it down. I was two hours away with my family. I said no. I think if somebody says, here's all of these cars and this history. You think about the Sultan. I think of the Sultan. Yeah, that's true. I will say if the logistics all worked out and the Sultan thing worked out and I could get a full week in Brunei and pick in shoes, I could come home after six days with 12, 13 videos shot. Yeah, you'd do it. And we would finally have an insight into what some of those cars are like. Which of Brunei's seasons would you go in? I don't do well in the heat. Yeah, which is the problem because there's only ever heat. I assume I would shoot the whole thing indoors, but I also assume they don't have air conditioning. What about Japan for the Aspark L? It's made in Italy, okay? Are you sure? No, nobody knows. Nobody, yes, they claim it is. Okay, two more questions, and then I have to leave. What? Yeah. Next question for 60. A good-looking car. 63 splitty at what number this is for you i think at what number does the 570s become a good buy 105 we sold one the other day right for 105 today we sold one did it go did it end today what did it sell for i'm into that one they're there i think oh under 100 for 570s is there 89 it sold for with 61 000 miles that was a cool spec this one yeah 61 000 miles yeah And also, it was titled in Kansas. That's a Tennessee. Tennessee, sorry. It's in San Diego. Titled in Kansas or Tennessee. I don't think that really matters that much. Who told me some stories? We are one failed to sell with $37. What's the number? Would you buy one of these? You're an automatic transmission guy. Where would you hop in? I think 89 is a quite compelling number. It is quite compelling. I would hop in there. If I were in the market for another automatic sports car. This is like a 560. That's why you're not calling on the Diablo. It's three pedals and you're done. Yeah, that must be it. He doesn't know how to drive manual. I'll swap it to an auto. Okay. It's a real car. Last question from that million mile Volvo. Which dead car manufacturer do you miss the most and why is it Saab? It's not Saab for me. I'll tell you what mine is, but you go ahead first. Please go first. Yours is Saab. Of course, but please go first. But Saab didn't die when it stopped production. Saab died in about 1998 when GM took majority ownership. Damn, this is like a hipster. Saab died first when GM showed up, and it died second when it actually died. By the way, the actual answer was it became a wholly owned subsidiary in 2000. 2000. I remember the day. It was a big deal. Nick, what's your favorite dead car brand? it's not my actual is that my yeah of course what do you mean yeah the key went in the center i know so they had a v4 so i did there's a channel where somebody uh did a bunch of work for a sob i did a whole 15 minute bit about why i saw it was special for this kid's youtube channel it's great what do you got i'm gonna guess that you're gonna say saturn no i am absolutely not although it is a shape same with scion neither are a shape nick what's yours come on um i think DeLorean got a bad shake. Are you going to say Alto Bianchi? I was tempted to say Packard initially. Oh my god, that's actually not a bad one. DeLorean is embarrassing. I think also Mercury I miss. The Mountaineer. Legend. The legend was inaccurate. There's still a strong part of me that wants to buy Fords and rebadge them as Mercury. Go back and why not? Change the grills to be... The correct answer is Pontiac. You missed the G6? Yeah, dude, there was a G6 GXP that had a massive powertrain and massive front end that looked like – If you pull up the G6 GXP, it looked like the new M3. Pull it up. It looked like the new M3. You're wrong. People are like, oh, the M3. Pontiac had it first. Pontiac had everything first. And I'll tell you this. You haven't sold a lot, have you? I'll show you the one we sold. No, Missy Elliott edition. They did a hard top convertible. That's not it, by the way. That's not the GXP. I want to make it clear. But they did do a hard top convertible like the SL, by the way. But also, they were GM's performance brand. You're the first person since their own marketing team to compare it to that. There was a blown – you know what the crazy thing about this car was? There was also a soft top convertible. There was a blown V6 that they did a lot of cars with. There was a V8 that went to the Grand Prix. Do you remember the Grand Prix GXP? GTP. Well, yeah, there was that, but that was the supercharged one. Look at that. Then they did the Grand Prix GXP, which had a V8. That was serious. That was a North Star. Yes, this. Look at that grill. You think the M3 nostrils are something? This is a beaver. God, that was tough. That's a lot. It was ugly. Although I will say, when I was in Detroit to film the Celestic, guess what was parked in the GM campus? No. Someone had one of these. Living the dream. I miss Pontiac. It was the excitement brand. The Solstice GXP. The Grand Prix GTP Super 6. And the GXP V8. The G8. The Grand Prix was special. The G8, which was a crazy cool car brought from Australia. rear-wheel drive, manual. Everybody's like, oh, Chevy SS, Pontiac G8. All of the cars were cool, except the torrent at the very end. And the G3 in Canada. And the Vive. The G3 Wave. G3 Wave? I think it was called technically the G3 Wave. Can't go down this road. Anyway. I also want to revise the revived nameplate one, Ford Lightning. Gen 2 Lightning, overnight parts from japan to an ev pickup ev pickup was faster and better in every way i think that was a mistake look the point is pontiac we miss you dearly i do for some reason gm kept buick which i think has no redeeming qualities but pontiac had real performance there was there was love there and instead they took it away from us right when a new firebird was about to come out well that would have been nice thank you that's your answer and that's your podcast for this week the finest we've ever done. Nick, do you have any parting thoughts or anything you want to shout out? Yes. Follow me on Cars and Bids Seller Profile. Maybe keep following Filippo or not. That's up to you. I like that you're not trying to get people to watch YouTube content or anything else. The only thing that matters to him is the leaderboard. Cars and Bids leaderboard. It's important that I have this vanity metric. It provides me no utility in the real world, but I would like it. Reputation scores in porn. number of cars sold. Car value sold, I will never win. No. No. Wow. Cars won, you clearly will never win. That's 77. That's impressive. That's real. Legit. Okay. That's Nick. Flippo, you got anything to plug? Yeah, go to Cars and Bids. Our app is great, I'm told. Our app is great. Truly. If you have an iPhone, download the app. You'll love it. The app's great. The podcast is great. Everything we do is great. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching the Cars and Bids podcast. Or maybe it's the Doug DeMere. I don't know. This car podcast. There you go. we'll see you next time.