Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5007

This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Welcome to Pod Meets Twirled, a podcast that once chronicled two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars, but watched a season and walked away experts. From there, we ventured into traitors, a show I'd never seen, but will swore he could win. And now we turn to Survivor, season 50, the big one. And this time the roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the first one. Meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Will Ferdell, who prefers his wilderness with room service and Rider Strong, who will hike any mountain but hates the beach. Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization. One who would never leave the woods if he could. Both reality competition scholars. Join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides, fire, making sand related misery and 25 years of television history, culminating in a single massive season. This is Pod Meets Twirled, seeking immunity. How's it going, Will? Good, Rider. How are you? I'm a little tired. I'm a little tired as well. We both admitted that we just took naps. We see yesterday. My God. I went, I went and taught a class at Indie School and then came back and promptly fell asleep on my couch for 25 minutes. I did magical rewind this morning and then passed out. Turned in thereafter. So, yeah. Yeah. So we would be on the beach and survivor just lounging. If that's allowed, I've still, I, that would be great. I've got my Jonathan pants. Coach has spent a lot of time in the, in the old hammock. Coach. Don't you love coach? No. No. Oh my God. He's the worst. He's so annoying. He has a high coo. Go fuck yourself, coach. Oh my God. Yeah. I, he's, he's, he's bringing it back. It's like, you know, cause when he started this season, I was like, oh man, cause like, you know, we did our first episode and I was kind of explaining to you, um, but I don't like coach. Yeah. And then I was like, we listened back, you know, for edits and I was like, do I want to, do I want to be this? I don't want to sound like I hate the guy. I mean, and then I was like, no, I really don't like it. Oh no. When I saw this episode, I was like, yep, still the same douche-twhot. He always was. Yes. It's amazing. Oh God. Just referring to himself as the dragon and, and, and in the first or the third person the whole time, I was going to say, he's that per, he's, he's that guy. Wither doesn't like those guys. Will doesn't like those guys either. Second, you started referring to yourself a third person. You got a problem. Like life is not. No. It's time to check, check, check out what's going on in your head. Your egos gotten out of control. Anyway, how was this episode for you overall? Are you feeling any better? You still feel like you're watching a high six? Just yeah, it's not my, it's just I just can't get into it. And I think I've done, I had a real disservice done to me and I've done a real disservice to survivor fans by making this my first season. Right. That's, and that's just what it is, is there's so much going on in the show that I don't understand. It would be the equivalent of a Marvel fan, somebody bringing you into the Marvel universe and going, we're going to start with Endgame, the second move, like the last movie of the series. And you just don't know what's going on. And you have, I haven't connected with any of these people. I don't. I'm not rooting for any of these people. And I know that's on me. That's, that's just me, not the show. I will say I, this episode made me think like, God, I don't think they're nailing it this season. Because, you know, when we got to that, the tribal or the tribal council and there were, you know, more than ever in the history, I was like, why? Why are we doing this? And like last week, you know, I was out and you, you recapped with Rob. But my new best friend, your new best friend, your new co-host, they, you know, they did the three eliminations. And I know you guys discussed the fact that like they said it's a merge and then you're broken up into three groups of five. And it was like, why? Like, why you're not merged at all. You're just creating new tribes for the week or for the day. On the same beach, but you still are leaving at separate times and coming back at separate times. I think they've made some really weird choices. And I'm not sure why exactly, except maybe to keep up the pace or because people got eliminated or, you know, people got to eat met, met, what's his name? Got evac to like, you know, maybe they're just scrambling a little bit. But it just doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like the decisions they've made, you know, like the, you know, the two hour infomercial for the country singer included. Like, I just don't know if these were great choices. No. And there's again, the rumors, I think Rob kind of said he didn't agree or didn't believe him, but there were rumors that they're editing future episodes down where it's like other celebrities show up on the, on the island and they're like, let's cut those down. Is there a show up? I mean, she does, but then she boomerangs right back off the island. That's what. So, um, no, I don't know. But I know like there's rumors that Mr. Beast, that's the one I heard was is coming in and he, I guess, has been really cut down and all that kind of stuff. But no, I just, I, yeah, I'm trying to get into it. Just very catty people on an island. And I get that's, that's okay when you know the people that are being catty where it's like, oh, there's a reason this relationship is this and there's a reason that relationship is that. And, and people going, oh, that's so coach, but it's like, I don't, I don't get any of that. So I, to me, it's just kind of like, yeah, I don't, it's a lot of people, like just kind of bitching about a bunch of stuff. And then there's cool challenges. I'm digging the challenges. Like in the, like in the, some of the stuff starting to, starting my first crush. I haven't had a crush yet. Now I have a first, I do a bit of a crush on Stephanie. Interesting. Bit of a crush on Stephanie after this episode. She came off as a total badass and I'm like, I'm kind of digging it. Just kept her arm in the air. Oh my God. You know how hard that, so I took a, I took a boxing class and years ago and the guy put the gloves on me and he goes, so the first thing we're going to do, he goes, all you're going to do is just hold both of your hands up for three minutes, which is one round. And I was exhausted. Yeah. I couldn't imagine holding my arm up for an hour. So yeah, she's a badass and a bit of a bit of a survivor crush on it. Okay. Let's get into the episode. Jonathan, uh, turned on Camilla. We, in the last episode, Genevieve was out and Colby was out. So we start with the, the, the Tiff team. The aftermath. Yeah. The aftermath, watching them come back and, you know, Tiff has this great little moment where she's, you know, because they've, you know, voted against her, her wishes by voting Camilla out. And she says, you know, let me just have, let me just feel my feelings. And then it's like an optical flip moment where you cut to her confession and she's like, I am so pissed. I hate these people. I don't, she's like, what the hell? I'm burning this whole thing down, which I thought was great. And it just goes to show she's a good player and that she gave the right speech, didn't really work out for her. Like I thought, you know, cause, but, you know, she still ended up being, getting in the second most votes at the end of this episode. So maybe she should have just been a little more honest, but I thought it was, you know, the, cause the thing is if you are, and you guys talked about this, what you talked about this with Rob, like you're coming back after you're on the bottom suddenly, you know, if you've been blindsided, even if you didn't lose. So you've got to play it cool because you can't come in to. So she tried to, though, where it's just like, why are people voting for me all of a sudden? Yeah. Yeah. And then the other crew comes back saying, Genevieve is gone and then Aubrey does this weird lie and just says, oh, I forgot to play my idol. I forgot to play the idol. Why not just say like, no, I didn't want to, I didn't think it was going to be going to me though. Yeah, I didn't feel I needed to. And so I wanted to save it. Yeah. I don't know why she decided, you know, I guess she still thinks that some people doesn't know, doesn't know, know she has it, but like, you know, because that's what I was trying to keep track of because I remember in the episode before last when they are the episode. Yeah. When they did the merge last episode, there was this montage of how much information was being shared of just like everybody knowing that everybody had a month, you know, who has an idol who didn't. Right. They shared a lot in that. And I'm floss track of who knows what. Well, it also just seems like at some point, nobody knows how to play survivor because I've watched four episodes or whatever it is, however many we're in eight episodes. And it seems to me the key to that is don't tell anybody. So the idea that there's still people like, you know, who has that right. So it's just like here. Oh, by the way, I have this or this just happened, but they're not going to tell anybody, of course they are. Do you not watch the show? It's I feel I feel like they're it's it's a galaxy question. That's what I'm saying. It's galaxy question. Galaxy question. Sam Rockwell turned it. Everybody. Have you ever seen the show? Yes, it's that where it's like, I'm going to tell her this, but she won't tell anybody like, of course she's. I know. It's of course they are. It's that's all they do. I think it's just the thing that in the heat of the moment, you know, when you have a person in front of you, you know, you think you can get away with something or you just don't think like you just because if you're not, you know, I think it's got to be hard to think of yourself as as in a game with strategy. When you're on a beach like at night starving, you know, like there's a lot of just physical reality stuff that's going on. Your clothes are getting dirty. Like I just imagine it must be so disorienting. And then the final group comes in and announces that Colby is gone. Colby and yeah, old school Colby who went out, went out with his head held high last week. Yeah. Yeah. Just big old smoke trapped in. Yeah, he was a good guy. I would have liked to have seen stick around. It was it's a little and it's so much of what happened last last episode just seems to have come down to like what group of five they ended up in. But that's what it was. And I know it's so weird hearing this whole thing that the rumor going around that there is so this is now on social media everywhere and it's all the contestants that are being kicked off and stuff like that. Talking about how before the show started, there was a zoom meeting between a bunch of the contestants. Yeah, I've heard grumblings about this. Maybe you sent me. But I don't do what do we know about this for real? Anything? I don't know. Apparently the grumblings are that there was and I think Mike White was the one who was talking about it where apparently a bunch of them got together and they formed an alliance before they even hit the island. So then it's like, if that's the case, you're already playing at a disadvantage. And then if you're thrown on one of these teams by random rock draw where you're on a team of five and three of them have already decided to be a team, then you're screwed. Yeah. So it's, yeah, I don't, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of different grumblings, a lot of different stuff going on about what people know before they get there and who knew what and did this start before they even hit the island. And yeah. Yeah. It was funny when I was listening to you and Rob do your episode. I was, I really, you know, he was pointing out this idea that everybody's now like a super player when they show up or a super fan when they show up. And I would love to do a season of Survivor where no one's seen an episode of Survivor. Like, what couldn't you do make that a requirement? Like, how would you prove it? I know, I know that would be the thing is be like, how would you, how you'd have to be like, I've never seen Survivor. And then, you know, just wink, wink. I know, but I would be lie detector. It'd be really cool to see. I don't know. I mean, you know, it's like jury selection when it's, you know, it's been in the news a whole bunch. You got to find those people who don't watch the news. Right. It's got to be a way to like, I feel like the casting department couldn't unturn some, you know, because even like, like you, you know, like you would be a perfect person. Like if they did some research and found like they could even probably game for celebrities who have never seen. Maybe. I don't know. I burn, I burn badly. I need food all the time. I don't know if this is for me. I'll be honest. I need the castle. I need the castle in the same. Yeah. You need that locks in the morning. I need that locks. I think I need it all. All right. Well, then coach immediately starts talking about waging war on all of these people. This guy. This guy. Oh, this guy. Can't with coach. I can't anymore. He takes himself so seriously. He thinks he is like the guru of whatever. And it's like, dude shot. I'm sorry. Yes. So the next morning, D gets into it with Jonathan and coach who coaches just claimed this hammock this entire episode and like does not move. We're just going to call it as high coup hammock. Fucking douche. What? So he's sitting on his high coup hammock and D and Jonathan get into a fight over and I didn't quite get this. Like Jonathan is so upset at her for lying and it's like, I just want to go back to that quote from earlier in the season. I think it was who was it was a Mike or somebody was like, or maybe I don't know. It was either. I love being here with all the best liars in the world. And it was just like, no, the point of the game is to lie to each other. Like that's like being upset about the NFL throwing a ball around. It's like, guys, like, so I don't understand. But he then admits that he was just getting D riled up so that she would sort of argue. And that sucks because it works. And I like D. I was like, you know, I don't think I know. I like D too. I also. But the the greatest thing about this season is still the pants I'm wearing right now. These are the best pants I've ever owned. I don't ever want to take them off. Thank you. Amazing. That's awesome. All right, I should get it up here. I should get up there. They're so good. So then coach takes this opportunity to give a speech to everyone and make a high coup. The first high coup of the of the of the episode, which is incorrect. It is not high. It's five seven five. Right. Seven five. This is five eight five. This is the high coup betrayal all around. Nobody nobody tells the truth like coach. That's eight syllables. War has been declared. And not only that, but here's the thing about high coups. I actually went through a high coup writing phase for a while because I was no, in a good way. It was with friends. We would send it to the way. I mean, in a way, it wasn't just me sitting around writing high coups for the sake of writing it was with a group of friends. We agreed to all send high coups to each other every day for a year. We've got way different friends. Yes, it was super fun. So I have a whole collection of like, and, you know, I got into high coups. I got into reading high coups. The good high coups are not abstract. Like like these are like little mini essays that he's writing. The good high coups are like, you know, they describe nature usually like it's a physical butterfly or something. And then you apply it's basically like a metaphor or an analogy that you can then like draw it like, oh, that's like this person was, you know, losing a daughter or something. And that's why they wrote about the the pedal falling from the flower. You know, it's like that kind of and the artistry of it is in being very immediate and detail oriented and focused on something in the physical world. So that then you apply the abstract thought to it by reading it. That's traditional. Obviously anything flies as high coups it fits. So I'm not going to say that that's why it makes it bad. But at least stick to the syllable count. How do you think nobody tells the truth like coach? All right. Anyway, he's just every time by the end, every time he's speaking, just everyone around them is rolling their eyes. That's right. It's I couldn't believe that they weren't rolling their eyes. The moment they showed up on the beat. Are you kidding me? Yeah. I mean, the thing that pissed me off about this the most is that he clearly wants to be the dragon slayer, you know, disloyal player. And he just doesn't want to take responsibility for his own actions. So he blames D and everybody like, oh, now now they voted out Colby. So the clubs are off. It's time for me to be a dick again. It's like, dude, you wanted to do this from the get go. Don't even pretend like you just is what he's making it like he's the victim. It's a classic narcissist move, right? Like I'm the victim. Coach is the victim. He doesn't say I'm coach is the coach is waiting for it's like you just you just feel bad about stuff because you're not. I'm just going to be an asshole. I'm an asshole. Yeah, it's it is. It's it's I nicknamed you. You were. Yes. And it's like friend. Yes. And it's like any time you nickname yourself, it's no. Oh, God, it's just bad. So Ozzy and Rizzo come back. They get the land. Yeah. I like both of these guys, you know? Yeah, Rizzo. I mean, I have moments with him. I have moments. Well, this moment is one, you know, when because I I I really am supportive of the Rizzo Ozzy Surrey Alliance, which we get the name of Rizzer. What was it? Forget. Wait, where was it? Surrey's Rizzer of Oz. Yes. There you go. No, I like those three. I like those three. And so I was. But then this coach moment comes where coaches trying to bless him into the four horsemen alliance, you're the new Colby, which I love that Rizzo immediately is like, share cool. And then his confession. He's like, but Colby just left. Yeah. Thanks. So I'm the guy you come to after he got kicked off. The reality of like the alliance didn't hold. So what's the value for Rizzo? Being is a little like, yeah, it was. Oh, God, it was. But he's smart enough not to say no, you know? Of course not. Yeah. I think it'd be one of those things anybody comes up to you like you want to work with me. You go, yeah. Yeah. Well, especially coaches ego so big, I don't think he's ever going to see beyond it. You know, he's going to believe that Rizzo is one of his followers. Yeah. His acolytes. Well, it's like, it reminds me of the office where Pam says every time she's been taught that every time Dwight comes up to her and says, do you want to, you know, partake in a mission with me? She just always says, of course, yes, I do. Like, yes, just always say yes. He just say yes and figure out where it goes from there. It's the same thing. All right. So then Emily tells Rizzo that she knows from D about Rizzo's idol, which then D reassures Rizzo that she didn't say that. But guess what? D did tell. Of course, because everybody tells everybody everything. Yeah. I think everybody knows pretty much everything except maybe Ozzie's extra shot, extra vote. I feel like there's only one or two advantages that isn't known. Seems like everybody knows everything. But Ozzie hasn't told anybody at all about that, right? That's the only way. He's told Suri and Rizzo. Oh, he did. Okay. Right. That's right. He told. And I think he might have told Christian too, because wasn't that the whole thing? The two of them short up their alliance by saying, I mean, you know, I think Ozzie's trying to do the right thing, which is only telling certain people. But it gets everywhere all the time. I know. Well, but that's part of what I was saying about this season. Like it's just, it's too crowded of a tribe right now. It's just too big. There's too many people. You can't keep all this together. That's why they had to do this ridiculous blood moon. Oh yeah. It was trying to get it down. It's like, just don't merge maybe yet and keep it going for a while. Yeah, I agree 100%. Well, is it Benjamin Franklin has the famous quote, the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead? No. That's like survivor. I mean, that's like survivor. So it's, yeah, it's crazy. You give your power away. The more you tell people, I know. Yeah. Oh, wait, question, question, question. Yeah. Do people often lie about the stuff they have? Like, will they say to somebody like, I have an idol or I have an extra vote or I lost my vote when really they didn't have any. No, no. There have been some fake idols in the past and like, I think that stuff is always funny. And, and sometimes people are like, well, you have to show it to me. And then they have to like make a fake idol to show it to somebody, you know. But like most of the time people don't want to lie because it gets caught like Stephanie in this episode, we're about to describe like that's what mostly people lie about. Whenever they come back from a solo journey, they always have to lie and it sucks. That's why in this case, this boat arrives and nobody wants to go. You see nobody wants to go. Yeah. And then they, they, they pull their shots in the dark. So Stephanie ends up getting on the boat. She does this arm challenge, which was crazy to watch. And yeah. It seems like the easiest thing in the world. And I was just trying to imagine how miserable an hour that for an hour. I know. Hour. And it's not like you're watching TV. You're not listening to a podcast. No, I was, I was bored in the five minutes of editing. It took for them to make. Exactly. And it's like, imagine that you're just sitting there. You're in the sun. You're probably a bit wet. You're now, and then you're dry, then you're too dry. And you just got to hold an arm up for an hour. That had to have sucked. I honestly don't think I would have done it. I think I, I think I would have just walked away because I would. Yeah, because I don't want to be in this position. And I would have just been able to come back and tell the truth. Didn't get it because I didn't want to deal with this. Because she still has the regular reward immunity challenge coming up. So she's like working her body, especially when she dislocated her shoulder before. Right. But if you go back and say, I found this thing, I didn't want to do it. They're still not going to believe you. They're still going to think you have the thing. So you might as well try to get the thing. God, maybe everyone's going to be like, right. He's obviously got it. He obviously did something. You know, I mean, I think maybe I just don't want the pressure of having to lie. I don't want to win. None of these games are made for you. No. Let's just go on amazing race where we don't have to lie. Yeah. You could just race around. Yes. So she wins a steal the vote, steal a vote, which is a really good advantage, you know, because it not only takes it from somebody else, but gives you an extra one. It's really powerful. Yeah. Yeah. She comes back, tries to lie about it. So have you seen these before? Right away. Yeah. The steal of votes. So do you have to announce that you're taking somebody's vote or do you go in and nobody knows that it's like I'm and you say in your little confessional as you're writing, I'm going to vote and I'm going to take Colby's vote, whatever. I think it's that way. Yeah. So so they still go through the process of voting and thinking that their vote counted and then when it's when when they're actually read, it does account. I'm pretty 90 percent sure that's how it worked. OK. Yeah. So you can be really sneaky. Oh, yes, we're right. Mr. Matty is saying. Right. Yes. OK. All right. So Ceres sees through, steps lie right away. Steph comes clean to her. Ceres then tells Rizzo. Instantly. Yeah. Instantly goes and tells other people instantly. Right. I love they always cut from. I told her, but I'm pretty sure she's saying the same thing to then her going. You're not going to believe what just I mean. Exactly. Don't say anything. Even if it's a bad lie, just hold on to it. I know. No, no, no. Come on. All right. Then we get to our challenge, which is giant boulder rolling with a puzzle. But I guess what bummed me out about seeing this is I was like, we're still in tribes. Like we're still just divided into groups. Yep. You know, I was like, OK, we're not we're not really at the individual game yet. Because the whole point of the individual game, like, you know, I think part of the reason why they kept coach around right now is because they still need his physical presence for things like this. Whereas when you're in an individual game, somebody like coach just gets voted off because you don't want somebody that's physically capable of him going up against you. So the fact that we're in this weird, like somewhat individual game, but they're still having to do things and activities and tribes, and that's going to determine when you get a reward or not, you're not going to vote coach out. Right. So I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated by this this like semi in between phase that this game is. And I don't know what it's lasted too long. Like they shouldn't have merged this early. They should have just kept it in tribes, figured out a way to reorient the tribes and kept those because as it is, it's too confusing to the social game to have this many people in the same tribe. And then it's I think it's it's changing the like the dynamics of the game by not allowing it to get to individually yet. Yeah. I don't know. One of the other things I've very much noticed about this game where if we were ever for like, again, if you go on Survivor, you're psyched. If I'm there, I was drugged and left there kind of like Hail Mary, probably Hail Mary. So one thing I noticed so pants, I think pants are pretty damn important. Every other person who's wearing shorts is bleeding from the knees. All episode. I don't know if you've noticed that. No, every single person has blood dripping from their knees. Who's wearing shorts? Oh, that's I think are very important. Okay. Yeah. All right. Take the pants. Take the pants practice some time knots, learn how to build fire, starve yourself and bring pants. Yes. Making our list. So when they, you know, oh, I forgot to mention, they're playing for Chinese takeout. Yeah. And then they, yeah, they do a schoolyard pick to determine their teams. And I wish we could have seen that pick. Thank you. They didn't show anything. Seems like a really important key to I, you know, who because they were randomly selected as captains. And then I wanted to see the order in which those people were selected because I had a hard time wrapping my head around how those teams were picked. And it seems pretty important. So yeah, I feel like they added it out actually something that like they should have kept in. Do you think they edited it out for time? Or do you think they edited it out for something as cringy as the kind of nowadays you don't want to show the person who was picked last because it's mean? Maybe. But I think the spin that I would take on is that they edited out because it revealed too much about who is on top and who is on bottom, which is the same same sort of thing, but for a different reason. Does that make sense? Like I don't think it was because it was mean, but because it actually might ruin the show a little bit when we just see like nobody wanted Tiffany and D. So they ended up getting the most votes. And they were at the bottom, you know, because when you're on the bottom of the social game, you know, or in your bottom of the strategy game, you're also on the bottom socially, probably. And I can see them just not getting, you know, so maybe that's what happened. Just make them random. Just pick five people and five people and five people and just make the whole thing. Right. The fact that they didn't make it random and yet didn't show it to us. The audience is what pisses me off. Yes. If you don't make it random, then I'm going to pick is that has to be part of the thing. I know. Of course. And play plays into the dynamics of the game. I was really upset to not see it. Agreed. All right. So they roll the ball. Blue takes the lead. Joe gets the keys. Emily goes to try her keys or Joe gets the keys, gives them to Emily. She has the horrible experience of picking the last key. Like she just chooses everyone with the wrong one, whereas Tiff finds hers. First, right? Yeah. First one. Yeah. Takes the lead. And anyway, we get to this big puzzle. Christian and Emily work the puzzle and they barely make it for blue, but they do make it. They win. That means that blue then gets to go to the immunity challenge. By the way, I would do one more thing with these challenges. Yeah. If it's something as big as you've got to push a big boulder, let us know how much it weighs. Oh, yeah. Good call. I mean, just say like, and then you've got to move a hundred pound. But just that's all it takes. Just tell us how much that thing weighs because it makes a difference. Right. I mean, I just think about that boat challenge that they did a couple of weeks ago. Right. It was so miserable. And in ways that was clearly heavier than this ball. Right. The ball was more about being unwieldy than it was. And it's like, is that a 150 pound boat? Was it a 500 pound boat? It was a 500 pound boat. I'd love to know. Yeah. I'd love to know. All right. So the immunity challenge that blue goes to is this ball on a pole. Boom, Mike, inspired. Boom, boom, Mike, ball pole. Right. Love it. Yeah, this is one of those that I was like, I could do this, I think. Yeah, I think you probably could. Again, it's it's and this is one of the things that Rob and I talked about last week was the other thing I would like where he says he's like, yeah, they they're changing the the the challenges because I guess back in the days, like some of these endurance challenges would last five and six hours. And so they'd have a clock. And I was like, I want a clock. And he's like, and they might not want to do that now because maybe some of the challenges are like 15 minutes or 20 minutes. Yeah. And so they don't want you to know how short they were. Times where they would just do time lapse and it would be like four hours of people like holding on to something or I know, but it that's brutal, man. And you know that that's brutal on the entire crew sitting around. You know, but I know. But if they're what they're doing, if this challenge was, you know, if because I think the first one to drop their ball was. Who dropped who dropped first this time? Devons. It was Devons, right. So did was Devons holding on for five minutes and then dropped the ball? Was Devon holding on for an hour and then dropped the ball? I'd like kind of like to know which one it was. Yeah. Because it makes a difference if it's like, oh God, he was in there for 90 seconds and didn't say I thought maybe he's, you know, he just said at intervals, he didn't say how long between each step forward. I don't think it was very long, man. I think I think it was five. I think it didn't he say, did he say five minutes per thing? I thought he might have said five minutes per thing. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's probably what it is, whether he said it or not. It felt like it's thinner as you go. Right. So it's just. Hard. Yeah, crazy. So people start dropping left and right. Leaving Ozzie and Joe. And at that point I was like, oh, Ozzie's got this because he's awesome. Yeah, he's a beast. He's a beast. And sure enough, he won making him the eighth, making it his eighth immunity challenge win, which is interesting to hear. I actually would have thought more based on having watched in the past. Like I thought he might have won more, but I guess, you know, individual immunity. I'm confusing other times when he's just one team challenges and whatnot. So yeah, so he's the. And they mentioned even a name I knew for who has the most ever. He's at eight and the most ever is Boston Rob. Boston Rob. Last season of Traders where I got introduced to him season nine. And we saw and did we talk to him? Did you talk to him? Well, he was at Dancing with the Stars when we were there because he's good friends with Dylan Efron. So yeah, so we were we were hanging, well hanging, but he was he was there when we were at Dancing with the Stars. But I guess he's like a legend. So he's got nine. Yeah, he's been on the show multiple times. And they even did a special season a little while back where Boston Rob was a they had mentors. Oh, OK. They had Sandra, who's won twice and Boston Rob, the different advisors on an island. So like people got to go and get advice from them. It's really interesting. Great up hunger game thing, getting mentors. Oh, yeah, it's all about the, you know, Hamich was her mentor. And yeah, past winners of the mentors, the straight up hunger games. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. All right. So now we go back to camp. Immediately, D and Aubrey are the names being thrown out. Well, you missed the good Chinese feast. They had the Chinese feast. Actually, it's making me hungry right now. A lot of sodium, but beautiful Chinese. So Aubrey says she's going to play the idol, which she should have played last night. Now she's going to play it again because she's on the bottom, I guess. And this is just where coach is just the coach and Jonathan are running the game. Yeah. Can I ask you a question to somebody who knows this? Why? Why doesn't idol put she says it's a scarlet letter? Why don't you just hold on to it until you know people? Like, I don't get why she's like, I want to get rid of this because people know I have it. Why aren't you just like, yeah, I have an idol. Go try to vote me off. I'm going to use my idol. Because the next week, they'll just vote you off again. You know what I mean? Like, like she's basically making it out that the only reason they're voting for her is because they knew she had an idol and they're flushing it out. So what she's hoping is that by giving it up and saying, I'm not going to have the idol. I don't have the advantage. She takes a target, you know, then they're just like, oh, do we really want to get rid of Aubrey or do we want to get rid of somebody who's more of a threat to us? Right. You know, she's always got an idol in her pocket. She's always a threat because then, you know, they have to do all this like splitting the votes and, you know, so you just vote for her two weeks in a row. You vote for her to get rid of the idol where she plays it. And then you vote for her again next week, which is exactly to your point. You just never tell anybody you have. Right. Because the second too many people know you're just you're screwed. One person's too many. So yeah, this was just frustrating to watch, you know, coach running everything and getting pissed at Devon's and Christian because as middle people, like literally calls them middle people to their faces. It's just somebody so trying to be an alpha male. Like he's so trying to be an alpha male. It's ridiculous. Oh, if you want to, you want, what does he say? If you want a general, I'm the guy, I'm the guy. And you're like, no, I wouldn't follow that dude anywhere. Second haiku. Cowardly people make easy decisions hard. What the flying? Cowardly people. This one actually works. Yeah, it does. Make easy decisions hard. What the flying? But just calling people cowards for not not agreeing with you. Yeah, not instantly falling in line with what you want them to do. Doesn't make you a coward. What wakes them cowards is that they're thinking of their own game, which is that if they vote Tiff and she's still there the next day, they have to face her. So his whole plan of like seven four and you're going to vote for Tiff. Just what a dick. Just telling people what to do. He also tells everybody the plan is seven four and then gets pissed when people know that the plan is seven four. Yep, exactly. I love that. It's like what? Yeah. So then Devons and Emily start spreading this coach idea and the word spreads. It was a great idea. I thought they were going to do it. I really thought they were going to pull it off. Why not? I think it's because of the challenge factor, dude. I think they looked at it and they were like, we'd rather have coach for the team, you know, for being able to push boulders or, you know, right, then D, who maybe is not as, you know, as much as he's pretty strong. Oh, didn't she just win? She just won one. Didn't she? I know. Yeah, you're right. I don't know. That's the only thing I could think because like, you know, there's also this thing that like there have been past seasons of Survivor where people actually want to keep hated people around because they're easy pickings later as the game gets on. Because it's like if everyone just if you know that everybody dislikes coach and everyone finds him insufferable, you actually want to vote off other people that you're more threatened, you know, that because because then when it gets down to five of you, you'd be like, well, we all hate coach, right? OK, cool. Let's get it. It's not only that, but I also have to imagine you've got to think that you're trying to win and you've got to feel like if you do get down to the final whatever, the jury is not going to vote for coach. Right. So it's like you take him to the guy that you know, exactly. They're never going to vote for it. Like, I guess that makes sense. Exactly. Yeah. D1 Survivor 45 and won three individual mutinally challenges during the season, the most of any player that season. So she's a challenge beast. Yeah. Oh, interesting. OK, so then that totally kills my theory. Yeah. Maybe it is just because maybe D could win the whole thing and coach can't. It's like, you know, if it does come down to your peers voting for you, I can't imagine a whole bunch of people if you've been a dick the entire time going like, I want to give it to you. So who knows? A masterful poet once wrote, Tribal Council looms. All of us are unsettled. Tonight, lines are drawn. Hikoo number three. As the Tribal Council coach dressed up, got his beads in his hair. And he's speaking in paradoxes. Oh, God. He's giving co-ons. This this guy. He's got the beads in his hair like he just came back from a sandals to make a vacation for four days and felt like a local. Yeah, ridiculous. Joe talks about the firehouse and I love Sirui's response, which is like their employees with a hierarchy. Yeah, it's so true. Like, you know, metaphor doesn't work at all. You literally have somebody named a captain, a lieutenant. Like there's roles. So but it just goes to show the way that Joe and coach, you know, and I think even Colby, they were thinking about this. The four horsemen have been thinking about this game as like, you know, a military or as like a hierarchical thing that they're just at the top of. Yeah. And it's like, why? It's really, really just some obnoxious, like white male behavior. You know what I mean? I think it's male behavior in general. We're in charge. Obviously we're in charge. And if I say it loud enough and long enough, people are going to do it. Exactly. It's like, yeah, if I say it in haiku, people are going to do it. Sounds like I'm smarter if I. Well, God, and you just roll your eyes every time at this guy. Yeah. And then D makes it a live tribal starts whispering in people's ears. And I really was hoping that's a thing live tribal. So yeah, the tribal goes live. Yeah. When somebody starts whispering like that and then, you know, it can create complete chaos or in this case, just sort of reaffirm everybody's position and make you look kind of foolish at the end of the day. A little bit. Yeah. I thought she had a shot, man. I thought so too. I thought there was like, oh my God, they might get coached. I've been might get coached. Yeah. But yeah, I think, you know, there's just too many. I think they're all just like trying to thin their numbers. Do you know what I mean? And they're like, coach is going to be easy pickings later on. Let's just get. Yeah. I think it's just Aubrey plays her idol. Yeah. Does her scarlet letter speech, which totally true. D then plays her shot in the dark. Does that ever work? You've said you've said you've seen it work. OK. All right. Yeah. And that's why they always have to do this, this splitting the votes thing. That's what I mean. You just been in the chamber and see what happens. But it's smart. It's it's it is it's an essential element to the game because otherwise it really does like everybody just falls in line. Like in this case, everybody just would have voted D, you know. And it's not worth it to vote for anybody else or to spread the vote around because you can all just agree. But with a shot in the dark, you don't want to take that chance because then. But they're doing it wrong just from a straight television build up standpoint. They're completely doing it wrong. He should bring it out, read the votes, then say, let's check your shot in the dark to see if your votes count. But she should be at the end because then it's like they voted her off. And oh, my God, you're gone. And then he goes, but now let's check your shot in the dark. Right. You're actually safe. Like that to me seems like the way to do it. But instead of doing it before you read the vote, I kick her off and then be like, but you played your shot in the dark. Let's see if you're actually leaving or not. Like it seems like that would be a better way to do it. That's interesting. Yeah. It just seems like there's one. It's one more element of who am I actually going or not? Right. And then it's like you're shot in the dark. Oh, my God, that didn't count. You are not going. It's actually Tiff that's kicked off and it's the twist at the end. That's how I would do it. I think it's kind of the same thing. I think it ends up working, I don't know, because it actually stretches it out over the votes more. Because what the way you would be doing it, the way you're describing it, you would have all the votes read and then the shot in the dark. Yeah. So the vote reading would be a lot less exciting. Why? Because you're still it's like you got. Because it's not going to determine it. Like you like it always has to end with the fifth put, you know, the seventh person voted out of survivor is like that's the key line. Yes, when he flips over and reveals the vote. I'd love to know if at the end, if she got it or not, it's just one element of like, you know, yet a one in six chance. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I want to see if anybody if that actually works at all this. All right. You want to tell me about a survivor from history? I do. But before I do, I want to sing about it because it's Will's history of people that survived stuff. I'm going more 80s kind of. Who's a. Who's a. This is Alexander Selkirk. Oh, and you're wondering why I'm reading it in a Scottish accent. It's because he was a Scott. That's why he was the real life Robinson Caruso as he was. I'm not going to talk with that. You were really rolling those. Yeah, like that. It's like every. As long as it's not. Cartoon. Scottish. It's crap. Alexander Selkirk, a Scottish sailor, was marooned on a desolate island in the South Pacific in the early 1700s alone for more than four years. He survived by hunting, fishing and building shelter for whatever the island provided. Selkirk's ingenuity and perseverance became the inspiration for Daniel Defoe's classic novel, Robinson Caruso cementing his place in history as a legendary survivor. The only thing he had on the island with him was a volleyball he called Wilson. Isn't that I added the end. But the rest of it is absolutely true. Baller ball in the 1700s. So the rest of it is true. And Robinson Caruso, based on a real guy, Alexander Selkirk. That's cool. Years. That's man, the loneliness. That's rough, dude. It's amazing, doesn't it? Have you ever read Robinson Caruso? I don't think I have. I read either. I read Swiss Family Robinson. I remember I watched the movies, Swiss Family Robinson, a lot growing up. Maybe that's what I did. Maybe I didn't. And I tried to rewatch it like not that long ago and who not to do well. Oh, no, it is like torturing animals. Oh, it's really. It's all about them like riding. They're like riding emus like or yeah. Yeah. What are they called? The ostriches. They're riding ostriches and there's like real tigers. It's like crazy. You're like, oh, this was the era when like just did bring in. We killed a tiger. Bring in another tiger. Yeah. I remember being like, oh, and they're like kids with these wild animals. You're like, dude, that's. Have you ever seen Roar? No, I've heard about it. Either we've got to watch this movie. Well, I listened to the podcast of the podcast you turned me on. Yes, what went wrong? Did it was crazy? Amazing. And what's his name? The famous cinematographer who became a director who did Twister. Alexander Selkirk. Nice. You've been listening to Podmeets twirled. The torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time at Tribal. Trap your smoking.