BMW M3 Goes Electric?! The Corvette ZR1X! Why is Doug Disappointed?

hello and welcome to this car pod i'm filippo i'm nick nick's here today filling in for kenan and we got a lot to talk about start with the news ah yes the big news story of the week the new corvette zr1 x did you read these numbers nick it it gets to be such small numbers that it's just It doesn't even make sense anymore. The ZR1X, they've already established what it is, that it's crazy and it's insane. It's an even higher performance version of the regular ZR1. However, today, this week, they announced 0 to 60 in quarter mile times on a prep surface, which you can see here. 0 to 60 in 1.68 seconds. I know. It is on a prep surface, but it's on pump gas. Pump gas. And a prep surface is like it's a drag strip in Michigan. Like is it? How prep? I mean, maybe not in Michigan at this time of year, but how prep could it? Like, it's not like, obviously it helps the tires hook up and all that stuff, but it's not like they took the car to the moon or some other thing that would like is impossible to replicate. Like, you could do this. You could do this. So is this thing caged or are they getting DQ'd and kicked out like after one pass? Quarter mile time, to answer your question, is at 8.675 at 160 miles an hour. You would get kicked out. But what we do in the community is we do that. After the 8th, we slam on the brakes right before the end, and then we run a 13. That's like how it's done. Yeah. You run your draggy just to get your time to the 8th. A whole large bit in the Fast and the Furious movies with a you owe me a 10-second car. Turns out all you need is $208,000, and you can have one tomorrow. Well, you could have a Plaid for $45,000 if you only want a 10-second car. This is an 8-second car. Right. Good point. This is an eight-second car. It's wild. We're not that far off of top-fueled dragsters. You ever see a top-fueled dragster? Yeah. Here's how it goes. And then they rebuild the motor each pass. What the viewers don't know is that the three of us went drag racing recently. Right. Our times were a little longer. Yeah, well, we did a – it was a 60 miles. And they were still, actually. I think it was actually similar. But it was shorter. You're right. I had a 1.78 response time. you do wonder okay your problem with four gts of like the dealers not wanting to work on it like yeah imagine your average chevy dealer trying to fix a one second zero to 60 car with eight second quarter mile it's a pump gas car it's like it runs like a normal car i think it is just a corvette isn't it just i guess it's just it's a corvette i love it well but and what it is also is it's just the twin turbo v8 from the regular zero one plus it's got the hybrid from the E-Ray, right? And then it's combined for 1250 horsepower. It's not that out of the realm insane for a dealer. This is a car that Chevrolet makes. When Dodge came out with the Hellcat Demon whatever, which also had a sub-10 quarter mile time if memory serves. That kind of made sense. But this is a competent car that isn't just going fast. Yeah, I just drove this regular ZR1. I had it for a couple days when I was in Detroit. And by a couple days, I mean less than 24 hours. And it was great. You could drive it around. I drove it around Morin in October. It's cold. There's geese everywhere. You can go around corners. Yeah. Yeah. No, and you can go and pick one of these up. Might you? No. Why not? I am weirdly into E-Rays. I think an E-Rays is like a ventral buy. E-Rays are rare. I know, but they're a deal. They're deals. It's Z06 Performance. With a hybrid, and I love hybrids. And it's four-wheel drive. That's good guess. Yeah. Then I can't do burnouts. you don't need to do burnouts you know what the E-Ray is? yes I have to say too, remember the SSC2 that kind of had a big scandal about claiming a top speed that wasn't true, it's 0-60 and what they could verify is slower, it's quarter mile is slower, and that car they pushed it to the brink of breaking to the point where part of the reason they couldn't validate their times was because it broke down before they could do the down and back And looking it up, that car had 1,750 horsepower on E85, 1,350 on E91, which means it had more power than this. It's still 0 to 60 was 2 and a half seconds, so it was much slower. Now, who knows what this does on normal street? But my guess is 2, 1.92. And that, by the way, is faster than a Chiron, faster than a Ruelto. I could probably keep Googling other supercars, and it's faster than that, too. The only thing it's not faster than is the craziest of the electric stuff. Yes. However, that's still pretty insane when you think about it. Because it's right there with the craziest of the electric stuff. The Sapphire, which is Lucid's most powerful car, is 1.89. Yeah, yeah. And that's probably what this will do on a regular road. Pretty incredible. Going to be the all-time greatest Corvette, truly. Until the next one. Until the XX. Maybe, but you can't really get faster than this. That's what we've been saying for – I mean, they've got to follow it up somehow. I never was saying that until about now. I think 0-60 cars 10 years ago were doing like 3.5 hours fast, but you always knew there was more that could happen. And then the EVs came and it got there, and now this is here. But cars aren't going to be doing 0-60 in 0.7 seconds. It's just not going to be a hurry. I want to make you all experience 1.67 seconds. That's what it is, right? Yeah. All right. You're going to be quiet for 1.67 seconds from now. Oh, wow. Filippo's doing a little – nothing like two seconds of quiet. Well, it could have been two beautiful seconds of quiet. But the time for you to say that, the car would have been going 60 miles an hour. And in 8.8 seconds, it would have been going 150 miles an hour. 160. Crazy. Yeah, it's quick, dude. People are going to crash these. Yeah. You know who's going to crash them? You know what I was just thinking of? College athletes are going to crash. Because they can be paid now. They get paid. Yeah. You know what? I read a statistic because Belichick is coaching UNC. Yeah. 70% of UNC's football team has gotten a moving violation since we started coaching. Oh, it turns out you give people even younger than NFL stars money. Wow. They will spend a day of response. It's wild. It's absolutely wild. Okay, move on to our next story, which is that the Tokyo Auto Salon was BS. We at the Cars and Bids podcast, what is this called? We no longer support the Tokyo Auto Salon. We don't believe in it. We don't accept it. We think it's a bunch of trivial non-news. We're not going to even talk about it next year. It's also poorly named. there's not even a salon okay so last week we reported that toyota was going to debut a secret new mid-engine car and we were speculating it's in an mr2 there had been rendering shown everyone was excited the internet was abuzz it turned out to be a k car on chunky tires yep that's bs but even worse than that and toyota's like thinks they pulled the wool over everybody's eyes no you just disappointed us we hate you move on to the next one the subaru was like, we're going to do an STI. You remember this new story? Yep, oh yeah. We're going to do an STI. Well, it turned out to be a cosmetic trim package on the WRX. How much more power does it have? Less. Less! Sorry, that's the same horsepower, less torque. In true STI tradition, it's got less performance. Yep, and it's also called the STI Sport Sharp. Isn't Sport Sharp like hashtag sharp? Oh. Sport Sharp is their sport mode. That's the name of their sport mode. It takes something from what was the WRX TS Spec B, which is Japan only. So that's Brembo brakes, adaptive suspension, and ultra suede seats. They added some red and called it an STI. I mean, this is the biggest. The Tokyo Auto Salon was a complete dud. And if you're an organizer of the Tokyo Auto Salon, and you're not, we will never talk about your dud of a show ever again. Did anything important get revealed there, like a new Overtrail LX? No. I will say to the organizers of the Autoflan I still wish I were there, I mean it would have been cool I wanted to go I don't wish I was there, to see what? The Sport Sharp? Yeah, I mean you're not wrong The mid-engine K vehicle? Aren't you disappointed by this? Oh, incredibly, it was so sad It could have been something good It could have been something good That one was pretty easy to not screw up Right, like the STI formula Has been around forever Subaru just refuses to I've been trying to make sense of it for a long time and I just think they don't want these people in their showrooms anymore. I think they want to pivot to a different type of company, which is reasonable, I guess. But then why bother? It kind of reminds me of the AMG trim packages. All you're really doing is watering down the brand. I don't get it. And by the way, if you're curious whether this will come to the U.S., the answer is we don't care. It's so true. Next story, we're not talking about the Tokyo Autosalon anymore, ever again. But we will talk about the FBI. The FBI. There have been a bunch of news stories about Cash Patel, who heads up the FBI, choosing armored BMWs instead of the armored Suburbans. Cash Patel. The FBI bought some undisclosed number, could be a really small number, could be a large number, of armored X5s. And honestly, I'm supportive of this for a couple of reasons. And this is not going to be a popular take, but for a couple of reasons. Oh, wow. We're going to get into politics right here. No, no. Let's do it. So why do you support it? So these are about half the price of a GM defense Suburban. Everybody knows that you see a Suburban 2500. It is a federally owned vehicle. Well. Period. And so that is maybe a little bit more discreet. And also it's half the price. Well, yeah, but does it offer the same level of armoring capability? Apparently of armoring. Of capability is a good question. Is X5 is capable of Suburban? So you lose something. It's smaller, it's different. And also it's still built in the U.S. They're built in Spartanburg, South Carolina. They're built in Spartanburg, South Carolina by non-union labor. And you've got to assume that factored in. So I can accept that there is value in having a mix of armored vehicles. And I appreciate that they're nevertheless U.S. built. Yeah. I agree with some of what you're saying. GM Authority does not agree with that take. I agree with some of what you're saying. I will get GM Authority. Yep. I will say the one drawback is I'm curious whether it offers the same level of protection. Now, when you go to D.C. and you see the armored Suburbans, there are different levels. There are. Clearly, you can tell. Some of them have completely different wheels and tires, which must be some sort of gun penetrated, can still drive on. And some of them are just on regular wheels and tires. Some of them have really thick armor in the rear windows and everything. Some of them are less so. Yeah. I don't know what level this is. I will say the FBI also. have a multi-million dollar, multi-year deal with GM Defense. So they're still going to be buying Suburban from them. And they also already had a deal with BMW to build armored diplomatic vehicles. So I suspect they just bought some additional ones or mixing up their mix. My presumption has been, even though it hasn't really been reported how they're going to be used, my presumption has been that these are going to be primarily for big wig FBI people that ride around Langley. Is that where they are? No, that's the CIA. We've got to figure out where the FBI is. We should figure that out. Regardless, get ready for some Armored X5. Let's hope when they armor them, they do the big three while they're in there. Imagine, it just breaks down. Have you been in an Android X5? The Vanos falls apart. You're saying that you hold the factory in the South Carolina. You can't kill an LS, but a BMW motor, I mean, you don't need to shoot at it. Just make it go 2,000 miles without a service. It's the B58, man. Sitting duck. It's the B58, reliable. Oh, my God. That's so true. It's a B-58. It's a grand engine. I'm sure. I'm sure. The big three being what? Vanos? SMG? Rod bearings. I don't know. I'm sure they do the rod bearings on the new car. It is. Armoring adds like 2,500 pounds. And so you got to assume that's only going to make it worse. Oh, my God. While they're in there. Comes out of the factory. They rebuild it. It's all armoring. Rebuild the motor. Let's be real. New Year's resolutions are hard. Going to the gym every day is exhausting. Giving up sugar is miserable. I've already broken at least two of mine. But here's one resolution that's actually easy to keep. Protecting your privacy with the Lead Me. The Lead Me takes about five minutes to set up, and then they do all the work for you all year long. It's a subscription service that removes your personal information from hundreds of data broker and people's search sites. The places that collect and sell your name, address, phone number, and more. Once you're set up, Delete.me just runs in the background. 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Quad motor. Yeah. But they say rear-wheel drive, so you're going to be able to dial it. You can either dial it or disconnect the front motors. Okay. It'll also be all-wheel drive. What other information do you get? We have simulated gear shifts. Simulating gear shifts is a huge deal. Yeah, it's smart. And they did a bunch of deep dives. BMW must have done a large release earlier this week. But they apparently are creating a whole different battery chemical structure to make it so that the motors are a little bit more responsive or the battery can deliver power a little bit more quickly and then recharge more quickly and do regenerate brake more quickly. That's like the BMW thing that's going to fail. Cash Patel should be on one of these. Yeah, it's going to be a little. You're missing the most important part, which is even in camouflage, it looks better than the outgoing M3. I totally disagree. Look at that. That's great. The grills are a normal size. The current M3 is one of the great cars. And if this becomes the only M3, then everything I've ever said about the current M3 will come true, which is that it was the last and best, and that someday we will look back at those grills and love them. Can I – so there's a high-performance control unit in the new class M3, apparently. Can you guess what they call it? The Emotion Love Center. Oh, you're so close. The Heart of Joy. Yeah. I mean, this is Germans. Yeah. They name stuff like that because they think – they don't know emotion, but they hear words and they – I drive was when everyone had iPod and little I or whatever. Right. They hear these things. They're thinking, this must be how Italians feel. They have emotion. They would name something the heart of joy, right? And then they ask the one Italian. Okay. That's all interesting. It is cool. It will be cool. It will be cool. I'm excited for it. I hope that they still have a gas engine one. You do got to wonder that the segment for sedan EVs, high power, like ask Lucid how that's going. Well, yeah, but the segment for M3s is hot. But this is no longer an M3. It's as much an M3 as the Mustang Mach-E is a Mustang. No. No. It's a little different from that. How? Well, the Mustang Mach-E is an SUV hatchback. This M3 sedan, the current M3 is also a sedan. The M3 is the size of my grandpoppy's 7 Series, for one. It's no longer a sports car whatsoever. I don't know. It's going to look like the next generation M3 regardless. It'll be priced like that and all that. I just hope they still do a gas version as well, and I have a suspicion that this isn't going to sell in great numbers. You know, somebody wrote in to us, and they were mad about our EV sales take. They were like, EVs were way up last year. Why didn't you say that? Because that's not the story here. We know what happened for six or seven months. We're trying to control the narrative, folks. No, the story is that the incentive goes away. People aren't buying the cars. Yes, overall sales were up. Let's see what happens this year. Also, global sales were up, period. Which we talked about. I do want to see, I'm very curious what happens with a next generation M3 if it's fully electric. I do think that new class thing looks cool. Which is what this is based off, too. It's interesting. So even manufacturers that are pulled back from EVs, GM has done a huge write-down. Ford has done a huge write-down of their EV programs. They have all said, their leaders have said, they think that the timeline is a little longer, but they still really expect EVs to be the future of their brand. Just instead of being in 2030, it'll be in some year later. BMW kind of does need to continue to invest in this to be prepared for that. Will it be selling huge numbers? Maybe, maybe not. They still need to have it at some point. Audi did kill the RS6 e-tron. You have to imagine the regular RS e-tron is not long for the world. It's weird everyone else is retreating from the segment and BMW is jumping two feet into the defense. They're retreating with the model. The RS e-tron has, the e-tron GT or whatever it's called, has been out for a while. It's a pretty dated product. Then they have pushed back release of other ones. This car is not coming out this year. It's not coming out in bed or not. It's 27 and we still don't know how the market's going to be. For all we know, this exact car is going to have a V8 also. I think fundamentally, BMW also, as all the German brands do, focus a lot on Europe as a core market. And I think in Europe, the performance TVs are a real play. I guess we'll find out I'm excited to see I am excited that some of these details are pretty impressive Quad motors is cool, shiftable stuff is cool And it's got a heart of joy Also a heart of joy Ford has teased By the time you all are watching this It will have come out Because it's coming out tomorrow It's being revealed tomorrow Ford has teased that the Dark Horse Mustang Will have a supercharger They haven't said it They've implied We've all been talking about how the GT350 went away and the world is ending. Well, now they're coming out with some powerful stuff. How do you feel about it? Good. I mean, the GTD is so cool. That's the halo car. Then you need to have the whole product line to support it. This is that. Well, this has 500 horsepower. The regular torque horse has 500 horsepower already. So you've got to figure a blown one, six-ish something. Yep. You see the commonality here? The Americans are putting out the Corvette XXXX that goes zero to 60 in 1.6. Supercharged Mustang is 500 horsepower isn't enough. Americans are embracing power. Americans are embracing. We doing power We doing big engines The Japanese are doing dumb stuff nobody wants And the Germans have that electric thing So the world is really we thought globalization would bring us all together Instead, we're getting frayed. You've got to do what you're good at. You've got to do what you're good at. There's no monoculture even in the automotive industry globally. And on that subject, our next news story, the death of the plug-in hybrids. Atlantis has killed all of its plug-in hybrids. Are you aware of this? I knew they were on a stop sale. I didn't know that they had just stopped selling. They were on a stop sale because there were a lot of fires. Yes. And so maybe they couldn't fix those fires and have to just stop selling. No, no. We're not going to say that because it's not true in a sketch. The 4xEs are gone. So with great fanfare, a couple years ago, Jeep came out with all these 4xEs, which we all called 4xe until they told us we were wrong. Did you? Everyone did, including you. No, 4xE makes sense, doesn't it? Yeah, I know. But the whole thing— 4x4. 4xE. God. The point is – You're a journalist for – No one knew. No one knew. We only saw it written. The point is now it's here and now it's gone. It's sad. I'm legitimately sad about this. Wasn't there a time when this was the most popular plug-in? All of last year. I remember it was before that. A lot of that was fleet sales. If you go to your local enterprise or similar, you'll see a lot of Wrangler 4 buddies. They were selling. You got union contracts, fleet sales, and gold. At least silver. One time I had to go pick up a subcompact and I was like, hey, do you want a 4xe? I was like, no. I don't actually. The Wrangler is gone. The Grand Cherokee 4xe is gone. The Pacifica plug-in hybrid. The Pacifica plug-in hybrid is gone? It's gone. Which is the only plug-in hybrid minivan. That was your favorite. That was my dream. Well, the general reason, it was the only plug-in hybrid minivan. However, when I talked to, I have known an enormous number of fairly young parents who are all interested potentially in minivans. and the primary thought about the Pacifica plug-in hybrid was on paper it looks the best. However, they're afraid it will not work. And I always had to explain to them, you're right, it will not work. Correct. Sad but true. It will not ever run. Jeep was the most – everybody understands broadly in the industry that hybrids and plug-in hybrids are the way to electrification. Well, maybe not Solantis. Maybe they don't agree. Although I will say Tim – Caniscus. Caniscus has said that plug-in hybrids will be back. It makes sense that they will. Oh, my goodness. Oh. Okay. We got to move on to our – is that our last news story? No, we have one more. Okay. We got to move on to our next news story, which is manual transmissions. This is a seven-speed. You know what car that's in? Porsche. Yeah. All right. Porsche guy. Porsche podcast. Porsche podcast. Number one Porsche podcast in the world. Yeah. You know, I'm kind of proud of that because Spike was over here saying he was number one. And look at us. Yes. We all three of us have Porsches, including you. That's great. All Nick does is complain about how he doesn't want to talk about Porsches. Me too, by the way. And he's over here driving. Who has driven a Porsche the most? I know. That's what hit me is that I'm putting 12,000 miles a year on a Porsche. So I'm king Porsche guy in this group. Nick's got a $9,000 used Cayenne. Congratulations. I love it. It's a good car. Especially now that I no longer have a bent wheel on it. It drives so much better. Okay. What's our manual transmission story? I apologize. I got stuck on a rug. All right. Our friends at Motor One asked every manufacturer what the manual take rate was for each model in their lineup. Yep. Do you want to guess a few? Okay. Give me a car and I guess. I would say a median is like 4%. All right. So BMW M2. M2? Yep. 15%. 30. 40% of M2 until last year were manual. That's a huge number. M3s. We'll keep going. 15%. 35. All right. So M3. The base M3 is available with a manual. 50% of M3s that were available with a manual had a manual. So once you add an M3 comps, M3 X-Gar, whatever, between 6% and 10%. Huh. That's actually not so bad considering that they really want you to get in the auto. Because the auto has the more power. How bad? Yeah. CT5B Blackwing? 60. 15. 48%. The CT4B was 61. Wow. Yeah. It shows you that there's a very small sliver of people who even want those cars. And that small sliver wants a manual. Similarly, the Mira was 88% manual. The what car? The Lotus and Mira. Wow. 88% favorite. That makes sense. I mean, if you're skipping a lot of traditional manufacturers, you want a non-traditional experience. Let me ask you three more. Okay. 911s. Not including GT3s or up. Those are separated out. 3%. 5? All right. So if you include all 911, like non-GT3 trims, 15%. If you look just at the trims that were available with the manual, which I don't remember for 25, some of them, 83%. Well, isn't that only the Carrot T? I think that the time, the base one may have been available with the manual, too, but yeah. Isn't it 992.2? Anyway, okay, fine. I think it switched power through there. 80-some percent of Carrot T? Basically, 83% of Carrot T has had a manual. That's no surprise. That car is one of the great manual cars. Similarly, 83% of GT3 Tourings last year had a manual. Yeah, of course, of course. And I'll give you one more The Subaru BRZ You know 60% manual Probably higher 65, what is it? I feel like Subaru would screw this up 30%? My goodness Subaru BRZ was 90% manual Now the GR86 which is identical Only 52% manual One of them is way lower I will say though when they come up for sale I get what you said But when I watch them come up for sale they're always manuals. Very rare to see an auto. Tacoma's 1%. Yeah, but that's still probably a pretty big number of cars. Because BRZ's GR86's half of 7,000 sales for manuals. 1% of Tacoma's, they sell 200,000 Tacoma's a year. What is interesting is Volkswagen, only the GLI in 2025 was available to stay. Really? Wow. Because the GTI and Golf R are automatic only. I looked, in 2024, GTI's and Golf R's were both around 50% manual take. Wow, and they They got rid of the manual. How insane. This company is so lost. It's so insane. They cannot find their own way. They are such a disaster. You have 50% of the people choosing it for a manual, and yet they are not buying it. They got rid of it. So what was GLI? 45%. 45%. So clearly people still want it. They're going to cancel that one too. And they're going to give us – you know what they're going to do? After taking a year off with the ID Buzz, they're going to come back with a more expensive, longer version. Of that list he has, if you just average all of them, it's 53%. So if you offer manuals, more than half the time people take it. Did he just say that? That doesn't have a reasonable take, but it's not how I would do that now. That's not how it works. It is. I'm going to be honest. Korea and Tokyo are very close together, but we digress. One of the ones on this list is the Pagani Utopia, where apparently 75% of that were manuals. But they sold three. Me, me, four. Three out of the four. He's averaging all of them together. It's math, all right? It's math. You got it, bud. All right, we got to move on to the Talk Cars segment. Talk Cars segment is sponsored by Nick is a Porsche guy. Wow. Nick, a Porsche guy. And I want to start the talk car segment with some horrible news. Last week I announced or two weeks ago. I don't remember when we did this podcast last. Feels like an attorney. I announced you've got the car mom. OK, I announced that I was interested in a Lexus LX. And a couple of days later, Kelly, the car mom, who I think is the greatest automotive influencer. And I mean that sincerely. She made a video talking about how terrible the Lexus LX is for families. It doesn't have child tethers in the third row. It's too tight. This little bar blocks car seats. It sounds like it's a nightmare, honestly. And Kelly, all she does is take car seats in and out of cars and film them. It's like an incredible gig. She's really good at this. So if she says it's bad, it's bad. So I showed this reel to my wife because we've been talking about how I want an overtrail. I want an overtrail. I want an overtrail. I showed this reel to my wife. She said, we are not under any circumstances getting this car. So I think we're 50-50. Yeah, that sounds right. By the way, everything she pointed out were questions I asked you about your purchase. What do you mean? I asked, do you think you can actually fit three people across in the second row? You could fit three across in the second row. No question. With two car seats. It is harder if car seats are in the trunk. I asked if you had space in the trunk. Of course I did. I asked if you had space in the trunk. You also said you could put- There is a ton of space in the trunk. Regardless. She and I are on the same page. Look, I think the overtrail, you've got to understand something. And Kelly, I emailed Kelly in a panic after this. And she got back to me. It was very nice. We had a little exchange in which she told me I should get a Defender. She said that that's the best. If you want an adventure car that's kid capable, the Defender is the one. And I was like, no. I had one. Good. And she said she called me a unicorn. Yeah. In the sense that what I'm looking for. So many senses. It doesn't really exist. On so many senses. Thank you so much. And so I don't know what to do. Keep the Sequoia. No, I don't want to keep the Sequoia. Well, here's what I want. QX80. I want a car that is off. No, that doesn't have the off-road equipment I'm looking for. Dude, Armada Pro 4X. I want a car. I want to be able to have three across in the back, ideally with car seats, off-road capability, It's great self-driving. And I want it to not look like the Sequoia. Like when I'm driving it around, I don't want people to think that guy was there on January 6th. You know what I'm saying? I don't want it to look – and I've said that. I'm on the record saying I don't want it to look a little Republican. That's like totally fine with me. We have an E-Class wagon, which in my opinion is the most subtle Republican car. I just don't want it to look like I am literally carrying around a trove of firearms in the trunk. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. We can't do a Tahoe. Tahoe, I think, is less. The subway is so out there. But I also want it to last for a long time, and so we can't do a Tahoe. Dude, I have a neighbor who bought a Tahoe diesel. Dude's getting 800 miles on a tank of gas. 800 miles on a tank of gas. This car won't last. That's my problem with Land Rover. I want to buy this car, and I never want to talk about buying a daily driver again as long as I live. Ever. That's going to be tough. Also, their configurator doesn't look. That says everything you need to know. Anyway, the car mom has talked me out of a Lexus LX. I am screwed now. Does that mean, and I hate to ask a question and prolong more discussion over this car I could care less about, but does that mean Filippo's attempts to lowball the selling dealer did not pay off? Can I tell you what happened? Okay, so I mentioned this is a great story. This is a great ending to this. I mentioned last week on the pod that I was particularly interested in this one LX over trail at a dealer in Chicago. It was CPO, and I only want a CPO car. They're like 15 grand off. The warranty is longer. I only want a CPO. I don't care about the mileage. So Filippo reaches out like 20 times. I don't know. Give me a deal. Give me a deal. The dealer's like, we won't go. We won't deal. We won't deal. This is our price. This is our price. Okay. A few days later, they email Filippo. And they're like, we're going to come down on price $500. And then Filippo's like, okay, I want to deal on that number. And they're like, nope, we're firm now at this number. They said by emailing me that they were firm at their asking, which was $111 something. Yeah. Two days later, I get an automated email saying the price on the car you reached out about went down $500. So I emailed them. They didn't email me proactively. Everyone's like, do you have a little bit of extra flexibility now? No. We're firm. By the way, the car's been on their lives since October. I'm not particularly interested in this car anymore because I don't want to deal with all this. And then didn't Sean, the producer, Sean, S-E-A-N at CarsonBeds.com, did email them also? And Sean claimed he got it down like $20,000. And then they went quiet. I told him I would hit it at 102 because they want 112. He said he got him to 102, but then for some reason, they never saw a sales contract. Got him to 102. Anyway, I'm not sure if I should even do this anymore. I reached out to the press car people, which I never do, and I said, can I get a press car to figure out if it's going to work with my family? And they said they don't have one anymore. So we're screwed, dude. You're not getting an LX700. Why not? My sports cars have three pedals. and my SUVs have three lockers. Am I right? I don't think I have those. Three lockers, you do not. Or pedals. You do not have three pedals. 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This is one of the craziest things that we've ever done on Cars and Bits. We've got this deal with Coinbase. Can you introduce the promotion? Absolutely. I'll talk about the car. All right. So, we are working with Coinbase, which is like the largest American cryptocurrency exchange for Bitcoin and all other cryptos, to auction the NSX off for USDC, which is a stable coin pegged to the US dollar. So we find this NSX. This car has 320,000 miles. We plucked it out of the Midwest. It's a one-owner car. And we're now auctioning it on the site. It remains a one-owner car because we didn't title it. And so you can be the second owner of this 320,000-mile, 95 NSX-T. I drove this car around. We're doing some real work to the car to make sure that it's really prepped and ready for sale. I mean, it's going to be like really, really ready to go. However, I drove the car pre-engine work, and it drove amazingly. And we've all been talking in the office about how there's no way any Ferrari would have made it to 320,000 miles, let alone drive as well. You couldn't tell. This car had no wear. Everything was perfect. The only thing when we got it and the only item in the entire interior that was worn was the cruise control button, which I think gives you an idea of how the previous owner was using it. So it's a lot of engine time at low, at idle speeds on freeways. But it was incredible to drive this car. No other exotic car I can think of could do this kind of miles and stay in this kind of shape. Proving the testament of what everybody's always said about the NSX. It was like a Ferrari, but a reliable one. And this car is that. It's truly – we have service records going back a long way. But it's not like there's required monthly maintenance to get to that point. No, it just didn't. It was a Honda. It was a Honda. The dude did 320,000 miles in a Honda like you might do in an Odyssey taking your kids to hockey games. Right. But it was an NSX He was an engineer or something of that sort in Indiana And just clearly drove it on the highway And to be fair he had it for 30 years And did 300,000 miles 10,000 miles a year-ish That's a normal use for your daily driver He told us Go back to the He told us that he Initially bought an automatic And he realized it wasn't for him Replaced it with a manual He had the automatic for like 6 months Placed it with a manual and had it for 30 years And $320,000. The condition is wild. Have you driven this car? No. It's really nice. Have you driven it? No. Somehow. So, so, so nice. Look at that. $82,000. Yep. That's a lot of money back in 1995. Yeah, it is. And then he added a CD changer. CD changer. How much do you think that is? For $900 at that day? Probably $160,000. $175,000. Yeah. How much is the CD charger in today's money? $1,800. It's about double. Yeah, yeah. Double. $1,900. $1,800. for a CD changer. But think about how many hours he was listening to CD. This dude knew what he needed. Crazy. I'm excited about the auction. This car is wild. There are no comps, by the way. No comps. We have no idea what to tell you to pay for it. No NSX has ever come up with miles like this. The ones that have high miles tend to have been passed around to 14 people and they're lowered, which is fine. The community deserves cheaper ones too. But this car isn't that. OE wheels, Like this is a clean, clean, clean, clean. With a lot in maintenance. We're getting a bunch of work done at like the shop in Southern California for these cars. Also, and I apologize if you already said this and I tuned out, but there's no accidents. No. Like statistically driving 300 and some thousand miles. Yeah. Someone's going to rear end you. You're going to scrape a door like Hoovey did with the Skullwing. Half of all accidents happen intersections. And I honestly bet 300 to 1,000 miles. Does this guy work in like a hotshot rig? Like that's crazy. It was just over 30 years. yeah i know still no accidents no rust the body car was great the car was clean despite being an idiot is this your goal for the fiat 500 another 25 years 10 000 miles my goal for the fiat 500 is to either drop it off a cliff or sell it yeah that's what people have been saying but uh it's still around i door dinged it earlier getting into that lex i told kenan kenan asked whether he could do a video cleaning it yeah i said i don't care and i also said that i am ambivalent between him doing a video cleaning it and him doing a video showing you how to key a car. I care the same amount for whichever I want. Sean is telling me that the NSX was driven every year to the guy's summer house in Florida. Wow. Probably he means winter house in Florida, I would assume. Yeah. But that explains also why there's no rust because presumably it wasn't in Indiana during that time. Yep. What a special car. Super excited to see what it sells for. Obviously happy to do the partnership with Coinbase who's been a wonderful partner in this and very supportive of us finding this really special car and doing this promotion I think is really cool. But I'm especially excited to see where the market values this car. I'll tell you this, from a drivability perspective from a usability perspective it feels like a car with 30 miles The market will not value it at that number but then you got to wonder where does it I don know I don have any idea Before I bought my 911 we obviously had this car around for a little bit as we were filming all the content. We knew it was going to come up for sale. I've considered just buying it. I don't think that it's that different in price, but it could be worth it. It's an amazing car. It's also a lot of fun to drive. That car is so well-balanced, and the shifter and clutch are so slick. It is just such a nice car. I'm worried it'll be a real pricey car. Not worried. I mean, like, great. I don't think so. I think the market is going to hit it for the miles. But someone who buys it, who wants a driver, is going to get really, really, really a great car. They could be the second owner of a 1995 NSX Jeep. I want to talk about Mickey's Hot Dogs in Mesa. Yeah. Gladly. I'm going to be at an event that we're throwing alongside Avance, actually the car community, during Arizona Car Week or Arizona Auction Week, whatever they're calling it down there to try to make it a thing. on Friday the 23rd. I will be there. Nick, I believe, will be there. But Nick has not made any hot dog offers. It's not actually at Mickey's. It's near Mickey's. It's near Mickey's. It is at a place called The Warehouse. Is this event open to the public? You have to be an advance member, or we have some number of reserved entries. If you enter from our community post, that is... Okay, so we linked a community post. If you go on to the events part of Cars and Bids, you'll see this there. You can enter, and you can get in, or you can join Avance, which is a Really cool car social organization. And again, the best car there, Filippo is going to take you out afterwards to Mickey's Hot Dogs. Folks, I don't know if you've been to Mickey's, but it's on Broadway and McDonald's there in Mesa. It's great stuff. They got relish there. Nick, you ever been to Mickey's? No. I've been to the Wiener Circle in Chicago. You ever spend time in Mesa, Nick? Yeah, of course. I mean, I lived in Tempe. This was like backyard. 10B Mesa is like, there's very blurry distinction. Nick, you never went over to Mickey's at that time? I've been a vegetarian for 20 years. You think Mickey's doesn't have a vegetarian menu? They might. I'll go. The caveat here with this contest is I'm either bringing the Multipla or the SLR. Either way, I have a good odd of winning Filippo's favorite card. I just clicked on the menu for Mickey's. Here are the options. Tacos, tortas, burritos, tostadas, drinks. That's it. No hot dogs? will not be buying you a hot dog at Mickey's, but he might buy you a tostada. Mickey's had to change when Phoenix changed. Mickey's changed right along with it. They had to adapt. Do we think that everybody watching is incredibly surprised that Nick, with everything they know about Nick, is a vegetarian? I can't believe he only just revealed it. Folks, Nick is a vegetarian. There was a time he was a vegan, but I pried him back into reality with pizza. I also eat fish, and And if I know the person that's killed the animal, I need it. Like the last I had, I think, was elk maybe. Up at your father's wing. Yeah, in Wyoming. Nick goes up to Wyoming every so often and he texts us and he says, I couldn't move here. Yeah. I said the same thing with Arizona last week. And then he, yeah. You know, Arizona has like no laws. You can just do whatever you want. We went to a pool and kids are just like belly flopping off of the structures. They don't want belly flopping in California. It's not actually in Imperial County you can still belly up. But here in San Diego County and in Orange County, you're not even allowed to get in there. It is tied to whether they have emissions restrictions or not. There was like no lifeguards, nothing. I get back. I can't even get a grocery bag. They don't have lights. You're supportive. It's crazy. We've got to move on. All right. Move on to. Arizona's amazing. We want to move on to Nick talking about his next project card. Nick, go ahead. Well, there's a lot to unpack here. There sure is. The Multipla, I'm done with. I've given it to Filippo. I'm not done with it. Filippo's got it. He's like, Nick, do you know it's leaking fluid everywhere? I'm like, yes. I knew that. Was I supposed to disclose that to you? Sorry. I don't know. When I got in the car, there was some light on the dash that I didn't recognize. I checked the glow plugs. There's a glow plug and then there's an injector light. When you first turn it on, a light comes on to a glow plug. No, no, no. There was a one that sustained. It was an injector light. We're working on it. I want to be clear, though. This car has not been given to Filippo. No, it's not like your car now. We're going to sell this car on car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're waiting for a bad multiple. No, it's the best multiple, which is still a bad multiple. But like. So you remember when Nick sold his bad color Murcielago? He's now going to sell his good color but bad multiple. Well, I sell him. And one of these days, he's going to just have a good car. God, we're a car for coffee this weekend. Yeah. And Perry's asking Nick. I don't know. Were you around for this? I don't know. My friend Perry came from Atlanta. He came down here. Hi, Perry. and uh we were asking me perry's like nick is this that's a large pretty nice nice car is he what's probably how many miles and nick said oh 5 000 miles perry said i can't believe you only paid whatever nick said yeah it was a really good deal i don't know and i'm standing there listening to this and i go nick there was a fire it was on fire and nick's like oh you know yeah there was a fire i get he was gonna just try to just like mentally try not to fire was a long time ago buddy i can i say two things about the multiple because i drove a bunch yeah which was the life here first of all my we when i lived in italy my family had two fiat we had three or two of that key and it just felt so like correct to using that key to his childhood when he would go to the town square and play soccer until dinner time until it got dark with the little kids the town square next to the church we actually had like a little long driveway next to a church as it were and we'd play in that long driveway or in the church parking lot but uh There's always a church. There always is. But it was so good in that way. Also, I decided that it's the least antagonistic car. You can't look angry at somebody because it's all windows. You're in a 911. You're my 911. Or even the GTI. There's some tint. It's low. You don't have that much visibility. It's like an angry-seeming car. You have to be nice to your neighbors in multiple. Because they can see everything. That's true. It's like a very friendly car. And they're looking. There's a lot of sociology about how people, when they're in their cars, disconnect a little bit and feel a sense of protection and behave rudely as a result of that space. Multiple? Not true. So you're driving it, but you're going to stop driving it. Because the last guy who drove it around a little bit, it broke down. And it spent like two weeks at a shop. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, for now. Yeah, I am 100% going to stop driving it. When you buy this car, it's worth, it's the only multiple here, and it's so delightful as a result. I love it. It's got a little leak. So that's selling soon when we do our amazing adventure series. Two and a half. That's going to be coming live to the channels. Which means I've already want to spend the money I haven't collected yet on it. Which, by the way, four grand. That curves with four grand. No, it'll do well. I'm in at like 15, so I really hope you're wrong. Are you going to do anything to try to make the paint or interior look nicer? I thought about it. How would you be in at 15 when it's in that shape? Well, I spent like 13 getting it here, then like $1,000 or $2,000 on this lane. You'll get the money back, legitimately. Oh, I'll bet you $1,000 right now that thing doesn't even get close to $1,000. Well, I'm just going to assume it brings $15,000 to $20,000. Okay. And I'll tack that on some of the Arnaj funds. You lost $17,000. I've got to consider it some money here to spend on the next project. Okay, all right. So to me, you're at like negative $20,000. To you, you're up like $30,000. It's just cash. Right, we're doing cash basis here. It doesn't matter. The past is the past, much like the fire in the SLR. It happened a long time ago, and it doesn't matter. I love your point being that you got paid for the Arnaj. Even though you lost a lot of money, you still got $17,000. I have money in a low-interest savings account that needs to be invested more wisely. Nick's P&L is just the profit part. There's no expenditure. It's just accounts payable. That's exactly what it is. The actual spend to purchase the car doesn't make it on the statement. Only what he gets back. Which is great accounting. And by the way, I think even if you figured that, he's still lost on the or not. So bad. What are you considering? Pardon me. So the SRT10 Ram is still very high on the list. Hard to find one that's meeting my specific needs. But there is one in Phoenix that I want to check out when we're back for car week. You want quad cab, right? I do want quad cab, which is a bummer for the trans because you get an auto. But you could probably swap him. Are you probably swap? How small the rear doors are? Well, what's the rear look like? I got small kids. They don't need to be big doors. What's the rear look like? Can we give this to the car, mom? Pretty tight. Kelly? Yeah. She's got four kids, dude. Dude, look, the three of them right there. It's wide. What about the other? Throw some in the bed. She's like one of them has to be a technician. She's like never going to put her kids in the bed. You on the other hand. Meanwhile, the Multipla, the seatbelts don't even lock. Like, they're just loosely. Multipla is dangerous for adults and kids alike. As a kid. That was a safe car. But I'm a family vehicle. There's an R63 that just went live on Facebook Marketplace, previously sold on Cars and Bids, that I'm 80% sure is a scam but might be real. Okay. Why are you announcing this? Yeah. It's fine. You have two days to buy this car. It's a free market. If you're on Facebook Marketplace In Valley Stream New York Which is just north of the city You're now competition for Nick on this R63 Go for it people If they beat me to the punch They're welcome to have it The guy asked to FaceTime right now To show it to me Do that! You didn't do that? I can call him right now if you want on air But I figured we'll wait Right after Then I really want an E55 wagon to manual swap But that one's the hardest to find of all of them That car is not didn't you ever see the ad with the monster? No. I'm sorry, what? Look, that guy that put it on Volks. You couldn't mess with these cars. They're not... Yeah, but it's not about keeping the car original. I just don't think the character of the car lends itself... It's a big, fast, straight-line situation. My car's got one or two diff lockers, and my SUVs have a manual. I don't know. Third row... My wagons. Third row was there. It was available for you as a line. Yeah, that's so true. It's okay. My cars have three rows, but even then it wouldn't have been. E63s are down. E63s are pretty cheap, but he wants the blown V8, which I agree with. I actually owned this body E63, and I prefer the E55. If I do a E63, I want the R. If I do a 55, I want the wagon. Yeah, I think that makes sense. Yep. Well, I'm excited for you. I hope this goes in certain directions, and I hope it doesn't go in other directions. So we'll see. You want a Ram? Here's my order of preference. R63, although I think you'll get tired of it even quicker than the Multipla. E55 wagon at Nice and Sturley Hope you don't manual swap it. And then lowest on the list is the Ram, only because it's a tip. The stick ones are cool as hell. There's also a Maybach 57 I've been sending to the group. They've dropped the price. It's got 136,000 miles. But at some price, you've got to say yes. I don't know what that price is, but it starts with a 2. Yeah. We haven't sold one in a 57 in forever. 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It's an auction website, I think. Okay, type in Quattroporte. There. Nick, I know we don't like these Quattroportes, but are you one? This is a 12 car. You know what? I saw one on the road the other day, and I swear to God, I thought, that looks pretty cool. Let us see the miles. They're long and menacing. Not on. Yeah, 12. They're long and menacing. Like, the Ghiblis kind of suck, but click on, click on. It kind of looks like a gangster car, you know? Yeah, that kind of looks like a gangster car. And I was like, I would not disrespect that guy's wife. But if it was a Ghibli, you would. You would disrespect his wife, his children, his whole family. I agree. I'd be like, they probably had it coming. They probably had it coming. But this car, you see him, and you're like, I don't know. Yeah. Like, that guy knows some dangerous people. He knows some people. Or he is one of those people. Yeah. Go to the interior. Does it look nice inside? But then he chose the Oregon Vineyard Place. The wine country, yeah. Well, it's unreadable. Let me tell you something. If you live in a state, if you're ever wondering why someone has chosen a specific wine plate in some states, it's unreadable. That's why. We don't actually want to save the manatee in Florida. We don't care. We're different to the manatee. But the license plate is unreadable. A lot of what? Also, I forgot that ignition was on the left. I didn't know that I ever knew that. You reviewed one of these cars. I don't think I did ever review a Quattroporte of this body car. Interesting. After the Ghibli, you were like, no. I went for 12? At one point, they did a V8. So, I agree with you that the true Italian Quattroporte, the one you had, is like the real one. But at 12, Right. And it kind of looks cool. It kind of looks like people aren't disrespecting your family. Yeah. I mean, your point on the Levante was also true, right? Like, they're laughably glad it retailed new. But at some point, you're like, oh, this is kind of a logical thing to do. Totally. And I always felt the Levante drove pretty well. I never thought really the Ghibli drove that well. But this car, I bet, is okay, especially at 12. What does the backseat look like? You know, pretty nice. Oh, my God. I apologize. I started to watch your Ghibli review. Oh, wow, those pillows. Do you think the car mom would be supportive of this? Yeah. From now on, I'm only going to buy cars if I run by the car mom first. I think you need a collab here. I went on her pod once. I'm telling you, she's the greatest automotive influencer. Yeah. And then her and Harry. Harry's garage. Same vibe. Yeah. Yeah, you could put a couple cars. You'd hurt the leather. Yeah, I don't think this. I think this is like Chrysler stuff. The car's hurt. So anyway, they did a V8. Can you pull up Quattro Porte? Is 12 an outlier? No, it's got 85,000, 88,000 miles. But can you pull up Quattro Porte? Sort by newest or highest price or something. I want to know what the V8s went for. This one, GTS. Yeah, that's a V8. That's a V8, but that was in 21. That. Look on that. I can't imagine it's more now. Nick, 31. This car actually looks pretty cool. And it's got a big old V8. What was the horsepower rating? 525 horsepower. You know, you got mad at me when I got rid of my P38 and replaced it with another P38. yeah yeah that's better don't you think replacing my quattro port day for another quattro maybe you'd rather have a rapid yeah these are big money they're like double this what they're like 35 are they they're not 60 i thought they're like 60 the facelift ones are but the pre-facelift you can find them under 40 to lowest price stratman bought his for like 37 from a dealer well yeah wow yeah this would have 200 000 miles yeah which is 200 000 that's the nsx yeah the one-owner NSX. The opposite of the NSX. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look at that liar there. But yeah, they're in the 40s. Man, V12. I forgot these had a V12. Look at that. You're thinking about one of these? Is this on your list or not? Oh, for sure. In Madagascar? They terrified me. And that's coming from so many who owned an Arnage. It terrifies me. I would much rather have this than Arnage in terms of ownability. I think this is a way more honorable car. It can't be much worse. Well, for one thing, it's considerably newer. Yeah. Plus, again, if you're buying it 30-some, you know, how much can you get killed? The answer is Even though he bought his Arnage for 19, he still managed to lose over 20. Okay, the other market part I want to talk about is the R8. Then we've got to move on to questions. Pull it up. What a sale. Nick, you see this? Yeah. Nick is an R8, and Nick owned an R8, a stick V8. I can't use computers. Oh, no. Yes. Well, you guys had the best R8 of the Gen 1s, or Gen 1.5, I guess. There have been others that have sold in the last nine months on other platforms. And there was one that should have been nicer, half the miles, that sold for $215. I was like a new hire. Bring the trailer. He doesn't want to say bring the trailer, but I'll say bring the trailer. Bring the trailer had one with 6,000 miles that sold for $215. So ours was sitting at $220 over the weekend. Premium Plus gated? It was a gated plus. It was a gated plus. I don't know about premium. Premium Plus is a trim level. Yeah, you're right. It's a plus. Whatever. You're an Audi guy. V10 Premium Plus. If only we'd had a V10 Prestige. Yeah. but so they had one and it only sold for $2.15 that was only in March so it was not it was less than a year ago yeah and so I assumed this would be around there now we did this is a special color but it's this panther black which to me I will say it's pretty cool in the sun but it's subtle maybe but it's very subtle it's not like it's not like Samoa the one I bring a trailer with a different one-on-one black oh really yeah it was also a one-on-one but regardless this one brings 261 and I think that this illustrates a couple things first off bring the trailer but secondly It's so good. And I mentioned this in that weekly report email I send out every week. If you think the R8 is going up in value, this car leads the chart. This is the king R8. You said it's the best gen one. I think it's the best R8, ultimately, because you get the V10, you get the Plus, and you have a gated. The second gens weren't offered with a stick. Right. To me, there is probably no better R8 in the world. There might be some really cool colors or some even lower miles. There might be one or two better cars. They're like, this is it. Go find one. Yeah, I mean they come up every two years. They made eight manual pluses Is that right Some low number The other interesting thing about R8 owners is they grow to love the car and become obsessed And then they eventually say I wish I had a nicer one Yeah. Right? Like, they become R8 loyalists, and they think, like, this is my favorite one. I just wish it had a V10. Two of my three R8 owner friends ended up getting a better R8. Yeah. Not you, though. Not you. You got an SLR. You got a Mercy. That's an even better R8. Yep. And at that price point, you could find an e-gear and have a little swap budget, but it would never be as nice as this. I am curious who buys this at $260. It's a lot of money for an R8, although if it's going to happen, this is the one. It was a car. But I'm curious, does that person already have 10 other exotics, or is he deciding? Because at $260, I probably prefer your stick swap Mercy to this car. They're very different, though. This is way more usable. Yeah, but I'm not looking for usable. But that's what I'm talking about. Who is the person who's trying to find a usable but very special? Because you can't really use this, right? You've got to keep this pretty preserved. It's a very valuable car. If you wanted to use one, you could find a lot of other R8s. I'm willing to bet the person had owned an R8 before. Oh, yeah. That's the demo. I don't think you'd understand what makes this car so special unless you had. Yeah. Very cool, very cool, Sarah. I was super happy to host this car. The seller did a great job presenting it. It was just a really, really special car. The owner is our friend Sam in the future He's gone from a boxer spider Then he starts upping I don't think Sam's not spending too seriously He might This one for the right price Okay, I gotta move on to questions The questions, of course, are sponsored by Nick Roshan Nick's YouTube channel Which has the greatest automotive content Folks, Nick put up a post this week About two weeks ago About how he spent the Christmas holiday in Arizona Lowballing people I'm still lowballing people. Yeah, I'm deep into a rabbit hole now of used tires. Oh, my God. You are a... I'm over budget on the P38. I did a lift kit. No question about it. And the lift kit on stock wheels looks terrible. It does. I saw the picture. But I don't want a new set of tires. It's like another couple grand. You're digging this hole yourself. I told you when it started. I'm calling about Lelantas. That's Spanish for tires. No. Spanish word. That pronunciation is going to get you far. I know, I'm not getting very far. What are you trying to get? If you are Louise and you're listening to this, please respond to your DMs on Facebook. I will take them for your asking price. Nick, you have a real career. You put your family in these cars. One of them is an SLR. Also, it's Louise, not Louise. Can you just buy not used tire? The P38 This project is about embracing budget. What tire are you trying to find? I don't think. Either Falcon Wild Peak or KO2 or KO3. There are used Falcon Wild Peaks out there that people are selling that fit. They're a little rare in 16s, but we're hunting them down. How much is that? Expensive. $1,300. What if you get cheaper, newer tires? I don't want off-brand. I'm okay with having driven. They come up with great free. 15,000 miles. They've got a plug in them and the sidewall's ripped. You go to these used tire places. They quote installed prices. They don't do any of this gimmicks with recycling. And you just, they knock it out real quick. It's not like a normal tire place where you've got to deal with all this stuff. I do like that about you. Tire places. They're usually quite quick and efficient. So you're going to do this? A lot of them are in Chula and stuff, so I was hoping to do it right before or after the pod. Hey, how much are you into your free P38, Mr. Free Free? $10,394. $10,394, pre-tires. Pre-tires. Yeah, that's why I'm trying to keep tires for $300. You still don't have a glove box. I have a glove box. It's just not attached. Is the stereo installed? How many? No. How many? The stereo is installed. There's a buzzing noise. Okay. So I removed this speaker that's buzzing and it moved to another speaker. But I couldn't tell. I removed the tweeter and then I found out afterwards it was actually the lower speaker. So I'm down three speakers now and it's still buzzing. It's a disaster. I think I'm going to go for AirPods. After all of that. Include that in the buzzer then. That's $299. I didn't put the door card back on because I ordered new speakers. And so I've got no door card, no club box. You drove it here? Buzzing speakers, yes. This is so embarrassing. Because I've got to go pick up my kids after this. This is so embarrassing. You've got an SLR, dude. He's the only person that owns an SLR that's also shopping for used tires for a free P38 that doesn't have speakers or door panels. I can't believe this crap. You don't go broke making a profit, all right? You're not going to make a profit. You're not making a profit. You haven't made a profit on any of these cars. You can't pull Manny Koshpat on me. He sold his megachurch for like 2X. You selling any megachurches? Maybe. One of these is your car. Which one? They're unrealized losses. It's way back. Okay. And it looked different. The car that you- It was seven grand. It looked different. It looked better. The car that you were given for free, somebody has scribed $7,200 in value to. You think it's now worth over 10? What profit are you- Wait until you see it with the new tires. I saw it with the lift. The worst part is I took out the old navigation and radio, and for YouTube, I filmed myself running over it. But the CarPlay connected and turned off the video as I was doing it. So I lost the footage that I was so proud of. What an idiot. Oh, my God. So you're in it for $10,394, but unsaid there is you need tires, you need some sort of infotainment solution, and you're down at several speakers. And it still has a check engine light. And it still has an active CEO. You cleared it, but it's covered. I replaced ignition coils. That was not the culprit. You're just replacing stuff? You think about throwing a code reader in there and seeing what it is? It misfire. That could be anything. Could be anything. Put a new motor in, and honestly, you'd probably end up in better shape. We're off the rails here. We're finding a new project card. That's all we were saying. You're getting rid of this P38? No. Jesus. I miss that the most when I was in Arizona. The questions are brought to you by Nick's YouTube channel, where you can see all this and more. First question from Telemaster62. This is a great question. Why is a 100 Series Land Cruiser a five-figure car, deep five figures, while first-gen Sequoias with the same drivetrain are a tenth of the cost? The first-gen Sequoia is still underrated. Pull up a first-gen Sequoia. You aware of this? The original Sequoia had the same powertrain, and honestly, the Tundra, too. I didn't realize that. The original Sequoia had the same powertrain. Go to Lois Price, because I'm sure they're all... Yeah, this one. I'll give you Lois Price. The first-gen Sequoia had the same powertrain. Now, it's not as capable as the 100 Series. It's longer. It doesn't... Looks better, though. I think the first-gen Sequoia looks so good. It certainly looks fine. They run forever. Unlike yours. I won't. They run forever because the 4.7 is the greatest engine Toyota ever gave us. Ever. 1UZ. The 1UZ. The greatest engine Toyota ever gave us. Why are these so much cheaper? I mean, there's always a tax on Toyota Land Cruiser. Even the LXs are cheaper than Land Cruisers from this generation. Which is surprising. Well, some of them have the hydraulic suspension thing. But then Sequoia – now, the Sequoia isn't as capable. It's longer. Like I suspect the off-road, as a result, you've got a break over angle thing. I generally bet off-road stuff is not as strong. It's probably not built quite as well. The Land Cruiser famously is a 25-year car. All the components are intended to last longer than a Sequoia component. But I would argue, though, especially if you buy from the Southwest where it's not rusting and you get the 4.7, that's a 25-year car. Honestly, you should buy Sequoia. Just everybody. These first-gen Sequoias are just, they can run and run and run and run. To be fair, this one has 209,000 miles. It's sold for nine grand. That's not far off of 100 series. Yeah. With that miles. Yeah, and 0,500 series is sold for a lot. Ooh, somebody supercharged this one. Yeah, charity, baby, put a blower on her. Cool. Blower and 129. That one looks nice. Why don't you get one of these? Really step up. I guess that's a thought. It's not like a terribly interesting car. Anything would be a step up. Oh, yeah, your P38. I drive that and think, oh, this is so much fun. You see a P-38, you're taking a picture, and you're saying, that guy knows something about life. You see a Sequoia, you think it's a huge car. When I see a P-38, I take a picture now. The opposite. When I see a P-38, I take a picture now. I can't believe this guy's still on the road. Yeah. And I sent it to him. You sent one earlier. Yes. I sent one earlier. But you had school's carpool. Air it out. You didn't send it to the group? I did. I sent it to the group. There was someone with it. There was a white one on, like, 4-0. Missed it. Okay. Okay, next question from Wabaki Evo. Hey, Doug, why haven't you reviewed a Golf 32 or any other VR6-powered Volkswagen? Excuse me. Pull up the Eurovan. I will. You can pull it up on the site. You can pull it up on the site. Your point is made. I reviewed a Eurovan. I can't believe the disrespect that this question has. It was that one. I reviewed it. This is a VR6 Volkswagen, people. Nick, I think as a VR6 enthusiast, you'd be thrilled to see me reviewing a VR6. Is it a VR6? Yeah. Wasn't the Cayenne also a VR6 early on? Well, okay. I'm going to tell a story to Volkswagen people that's going to really get them all scared. VR6 is a marketing term, okay? It's just a V6. That's all it is. They told you it was a VR6. It's a narrow angle. Nobody cares what the angle of the engine is. It's a V6, okay? They told you all it was a VR6, and there's been all these people who are like enthusiasts of the VR6. It's them marketing it, trying to prove that it's something cooler that they developed. It isn't. It's just a V6. Never angle V6. I'm not wrong about this. Next question. Why haven't you done an R32, though? I want a blue stocky. Yeah. Hard to find. I want a blue – a Mark IV, I want a blue stocky. A Mark V, I want a blue stocky. A Mark VI. Stock has got to be the hard part of that, I would imagine. They were so moddable. They were so moddable. Yeah. There's a lot of cool cars you haven't reviewed, including the B7 RS4. Because I'm waiting for stockies on a lot of them, and they're hard to find. For instance, I'd love to find a blue stock Evo VI. I would love, but I can't seem to find one. They're just not around. Okay, next question. Not one with 30,000 kilometers behind. Peterson JA22. I drove that car yesterday, that BlueStack Evo 6. One of the greatest experiences of my life. Tell Rami. I want one of those. I'm still having him look for a B5 RS4 for me. He's looking for an E55 for me. And you know, I was at Cars and Coffee, and I was talking to somebody, and they were like, I got a guy looking in Europe for a car. I'm like, ooh, he's like, Rami. I'm like, oh, my God. Rami's looking for all these cars. And buy motorsports. Next question from PetersonJA22. Filippo, congrats on the Porsche. When are you going to join the crew and start a YouTube channel? It's a great question. Yeah. What do you mean? Ken did it, he did it? If I were to start a YouTube channel, it would be solely the auto industry news that you deem too boring for this podcast. And I'm going to be honest, that's probably not a recipe for success. What would you just sit here at the set and that's all you'd do? Yep. Spin up podcast. There's a lot of news that we can't get to. And I love the car. I love cars. But really, I love the car industry. He likes the industry. He's an industry man. We didn't cover the story about the guy at the Ford plant that flipped off the pedal. Yeah, we decided to avoid, to just focus on that, on Cash Patel, and that's it. Can you imagine if we covered that story? Kind of just did. So you're not doing a pot for sure, even though this is your chance to start your content career. I think people might not realize this, but my actual job at Cars and Bids sometimes has content, but I do other things. Oh, you think you're better than us? No, no, no. Better is not the word. You run over your car play, but then it connects to car play. Which is so hilarious. How did it have power? How did the car play unit have power? Because it connected to the one in the car. It connected to the one in the car. He was running over the old one. Oh, got it, got it, got it. Probably was buzzing, too. Like that all the time. No, no, I more mean my time is not as focused. I don't have an interest in becoming a content celebrity. But you still have the footage. You just don't have the sound. No, it stops filming. Because the phone would have switched to the... Well, Filippo, I, for one, would love to see a YouTube channel that you do. Would you like it to be all car industry news? Yeah, that's where I would get my car industry news. Instead of having to go on these websites, it's like hodgepodge of websites where you always find car industry news, I want to get my one-stop shop, Filippo. Every Monday morning, I want you to tell me what's going to happen in the industry that week. I'll do daily TikTok shows. I'm trying to convince him, since we're both going to Arizona Car Week next week, to road trip with me in the Multipla. And we'll film it from his house all the way to Mitchell's Hot Dogs in Mesa. It's Mickey's. Mickey's. Whatever. And they don't do hot dogs, dudes. Mitchell's Tacos and Hot Dogs and more. Tostadas. Let's do it. Video coming soon to Nick Rochelle. We'll stop by a little Ontario. All right. I'm going to do two more. I'm going to do two more. I'm going to do two more. I'm going to do two more. Number one from Tom Ross 24. Volvo XC90 has been looking the same for 10 years. Think it's a great way to look rich for cheap. Early ones of this generation are in the teens to buy. What do you guys think? I agree. They are also surprisingly reliable. I assume they wouldn't be, but they are. They're getting tons of miles. They come up with miles. They do not see Matt Warren. They do look rich for cheap. That's the kind of car, no matter who you were, you could be driving it in Nick's neighborhood, and people wouldn't go talk on Nextdoor. There's so many of them. There are certain people, you go into Nick's neighborhood, no matter a certain type of person, I'm not going to say who, but in Nick's neighborhood, they go next door. I saw one of these today. But if you had an XC90, they'd be like, nope, all good. Every large Volvo from any era still looks like you fit in an original. Yeah, that's right. An old XC70, still fit in. The first gen XC90, still fit in. Totally. Period. As long as it's in decent shape. Some Volvos get ratty. It's funny because... You still look reasonable. Yeah, it does. It's funny because Volvo had this rep in the 80s of these brick cars that could run forever. And then they got complicated, but actually they still are relatively reliable. And this new body XC90 is a shockingly reliable car. $14,000. Wow. $14,000 United States. With only $91,000. $91,000. But do you see what happened there? Click on that. The dude went back at some point and got nine F plates to make it look like a brand new car. And you can't tell the difference. I doubt that's his strategy. But it would work. It would work. For you. For you, yes. Go to click on lowest price. I'm trying to tuck my wife into one of these. I think they're – I wouldn't get a new one. Last gen. $6,200. $17 for that one? Yep. $15. $19. I mean, do you want to look – I could buy one of these for less than I lost on the R9. That's a great point. And you know what? I think for your math, that means you've gained. It's a free car. Right. I will note, you already own a car in this class that you own. Yeah, the Cayenne. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be eight, too. Okay. We can do one more or two more if we go quick. from Steve Struss. This is for you, Filippo. What's the deal with the updated logo? Just to refresh, as a brand or graphic designer, I'd love to know. So if you go on Cars and Bids, our font has changed. What happened? Yeah, we wanted to... It had been five years. Five years. Since we launched Cars and Bids. Since we launched Cars and Bids. Five and a half. We wanted to update things a little bit, and we felt like that better reflected our brand. There's a bunch of other small changes you may have noticed. Nick, I want you to understand... That version of Serif really vibes with Filippo. Yes, it better reflected our brand. The previous font was a... it didn't represent the values that we hold dear. Okay. It's like when a new generation of car comes out, you can suddenly say whatever you wanted about the last gen. The old font, we didn't feel like the old font, how do I put this? It wasn't that we hated it. It's just that it wasn't a reflection of our brand. And so we have severed all ties with that font. And if that font is still representing on LinkedIn that it works for us, We will send a strongly worded letter to make sure that that is not the case. The better corporate framing. We loved it, and it was the right logo and font for us at the time. We have matured as a brand, and therefore the logo needs to be changed. A lot of maturity around here. We wanted to make a few small updates that we felt. The logo, the car itself, I've heard people allege that it was modeled off of a specific vehicle. Is that true or false? No. You're talking about the one on the bottom of our mics. Both not true. Show me. Well, that's the old one, right? or is there a new one? There is a slightly new, there's a newer version. No, we were looking specifically we wanted a generic car that couldn't be. There was some inspiration from Doug's Defender at the time and inspiration is a key word, right? Like it looks like a boxy, simple mix of a vehicle. It looks like a multiple. It doesn't look like a multiple. Yeah, sure. I think the closest thing to me, I've always felt the Honda E was like the closest thing. Okay, last question is we have to do this one very quickly. And we can very, very, very quickly, which is good because it's a very, very quickly, quickly... Wait, what happened to it? Oh, God. Did you see Honda had a new logo debut too? Yeah. That did not make the cut for stories. It would have been on your... They've been doing it already. Very, very quickly from CallumBMWNZ. I'm going to answer this in one word and Filippo's going to agree with me. Dear PorschePod... Maybe this is for Spike. Can EVs ever become true enthusiast classics like iconic ice cars or does the lack of mechanical engagement prevent that from happening? No, EVs can never become enthusiast classics. Thank you so much, folks. I don't agree. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I absolutely appreciate it. Nick, any parting thoughts? Keep going. I can't think of an exception to that. No, you're correct. The EV1 is kind of cool. As you look back on a certain era, wouldn't you say that something like a Gallardo is an Enthusiast Classic? That's not an EV. V10. V10. That was the primary feature. But there was a change in that era from manual cars and automatic. And at the time, you would have said no automatic. I would not have said that. So no automatic could be that. I think time changes things. No. I think there's a big difference between automatic and EV. Well, maybe we have it on. So far, no EV to me has emerged as a car that I think – There have been no good sports EVs. The only possible one that could be is the original Tesla Roadster, but I think that's only due to its seminal position in the car industry and for what Tesla became rather than the driving experience or the specialness or the enjoyment of that car. We've got a big tent. wait no i like evs a ton i just the question is will they become enthusiast true enthusiast classics you've got a big tent what okay you think the mock e doom is gonna become what is that called honestly rally is what it's actually called uh i know where i saw one of those because sam sent a picture he saw one for the first time i also saw one for the first time this weekend you know where i saw it monster jam goodbye everybody that's what happens in monstria in san diego you You get this sort of, they're liberals, but they're also off-roader. Yep. Goodbye, y'all. Absolute pleasure. Thank you, Nick, for joining us today. Anytime. Thank you.