12 Lessons From the 2025 Fantasy Season, Olympic Crotchmaxxing, and Clavicular Part 2

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. And we are going over all the things we learned from the past season. because as Craig noted years ago, every year we start a reset for the following season. We pick up in August and we're kind of like, we have no memory of anything that happened. We just repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again. So DK, we're going to actually keep track of the things that we want to remember from this season and then lessons from past seasons. And we're going to try to apply them to next year. And it's kind of like our little time capsule that we will reopen next August and see if we can actually learn anything. Absolutely. We call it the Memento Tattoo episode. It's based on the movie Memento, which I still have not seen. But I understand the premise completely, I think. Also, it's kind of surprising because people who've seen the movie don't understand. Well, I kind of get the tattoo part at least. Who wants to explain it, Craig or DK? Craig who's seen it or DK who hasn't? I think DK should give it a shot. The movie is – He has short-term memory loss, so he tattoos himself a bunch. So when he looks in the mirror or when he looks at his body, he sees different little tattoos that give him clues as to things he should do. don't trust so-and-so. And the movie is shot in reverse chronological order. So you're watching the end of the movie first, and every scene that comes after it is the scene that takes place before in real time. And when we did our little art house version of that, when we tried to do the podcast backwards one time, it didn't really work that well, so we're doing it forward this time. Also, this episode is sort of our version of the manifesto, the playoff manifesto for fantasy drafts, right? We have a bunch of sort of rules, and then we try and remember these rules. I'm not sure what I learned this year because I went six and eight in the Ringer Fantasy League, as did Mallory Rubin. You're burying the lead. You got last place. Well, no, I'm not. I was building to that. I was building suspense and anticipation. My point was, I don't know what I learned because I had the same record as the person who got first. So maybe that's the lesson. Fair, fair. I will say Kyle, one of our listeners, Kyle, made a point to note that in Memento, he not only has tattoos, he has a bunch of Polaroids. The Polaroids are things that he's keeping track of before he locks in what he tattoos. He also carries Polaroids with him, and he burns the things that he thinks are no good, and he tattoos the Polaroids he doesn't want to forget. So I think that we go through the tattoos, and then we go through our Polaroids from this season. then we decide which ones we're going to tattoo. Because ironically, I forgot that about the movie. I should watch this fucking movie. No, it's funny that you haven't. It's better. It is a good movie, though. Christopher Nolan. Okay. So we're going to go through. Famous director. It is incredible how frequently we go back through these and we're like, man, if we had just listened to what we said, we probably would have done great. And starting with the number one tattoo we have, the number one thing, this is from years ago and it works every year. dk across your your back across your back just all caps block lettering it says draft elite players and elite offenses identify king makers don't overthink this shit this is the rule i think that is the most universal and evergreen for me like i want to think about this every draft i want to think about this with almost every pick obviously you can't just only take players in the what you're going to think are the good offenses but for the most part especially early on in your draft, find the players that are going to be in the best offenses in the NFL. Sometimes it's obvious. Usually it's obvious. Sometimes there's less obvious ones and you just have to kind of be able to predict it. But the, the Kingmakers thing is the key to me for this. Like Sean McVay is the reigning Kingmaker. He is the Lord of all Lords. He is just kind of the guy that every year his main skill players, he trusts a certain amount of guys and those guys get all of the volume. um so you know for obviously Stafford had a huge year this year I think he was very underrated for injury related reasons coming into the season I think but obviously he did really well this season they parked an air they parked an airbus tube thing in the Rams parking lot and turned out after they tried to trade him turned out to be a little bit of a huge red herring he won the MVP award we'll get into that later because that there is a lesson or perhaps not a lesson in there but obviously Puka Nakua the number one receiver Devante Adams led the NFL in touchdowns Matt Stafford was a great pick, like I said. Kyron Williams, Blake Corum. Corum, he started being used more in the late part of the season. So Kyron, I don't think he's quite as rock solid for next year. But just coming down the line, then Colby Parkinson was really good down the stretch. You could get value out of him. He actually scored more fantasy points. I was shocked to hear this. He scored more fantasy points than Mark Andrews, Dalton Kincaid, TJ Hawkinson, and Evan Ingram. Colby Parkinson. So I think that little just identify the kingmakers thing is so important. We'll go through some of the other guys that became kingmakers or we think are kingmakers in this segment. But I think that's the big thing is find the offenses that you have. You really trust the play callers, really. Sorry, you go, Craig. I was just going to say I feel like right now the top of the mountain, The top of the pyramid is McVay, maybe Shanahan when the players are healthy, usually anyone in that offense. I mean, we saw Kendrick Bourne take off for like a month. And then after that, I feel like there is this next level below the tip of the pyramid where you have guys like Ben Johnson in his first year in Chicago. You have Liam Cohen in his first year in Jacksonville where things went well. And there were guys like ETN and like Brenton Strange was pretty good that you kind of didn't expect. I feel like those are the guys who are probably the teams that we're in the offseason are going to say we want to identify and we want to double down on. But I would say at the top of the pyramid, I mean, there are there are great combinations of quarterbacks and receivers like Dak Prescott with C.D. Lamb and now Pickens. You have obviously Burrow with Chase and Higgins. But DK, who is at the top of the pyramid to you? Like you mentioned McVay. I would say Shanahan is there. Are there any other like bankable kingmakers that you feel like every year you can depend on? No, I think for me, Shanahan – or sorry, McVay stands above the rest. I have a complicated relationship with Shanahan. Because one of your tattoos, which – have you rubbed it off? Have you tried to like block it out? No, it's still there. I'm like filling in around it because I'm not really sure exactly how much I like it anymore. What does it say for those who are a little rusty? Kyle Shanahan killed your wife, I think. What is it? I can't remember. Kyle Shanahan killed my family. We have all the Kyles. Kyle Pitts and Kyle Shanahan killed my family. Because it's like, and then even though Brock Purdy or Mac Jones is great whenever they're playing quarterback, random wide receivers pop off. McCaffrey was the number one player in fantasy this year. So Kittle was really good. So what's going on? Shanahan's not next to McVay for you? No. Here's how, so look, if we were, if I was telling you this rule last year, I want to kind of like look back at what happened this season and identify some of the opportunities that were there and some of the misses maybe that we had. For me, the big, really obvious opportunity that we maybe missed out on a little bit. I mean, I think we were excited about the Bears offense, but Ben Johnson, I think that one could have been obvious coming into the season. I think next year people are going to be really high on a lot of the Bears players. Well, the players were just very young. I feel like we knew Ben Johnson was a good play caller, but Caleb looked fucking terrible the year before. And then he had a bunch of – he had Burden and Loveland and DJ Moore and Roma. And the one guy we bet on, Roma Doomsday, was the one who probably was the biggest flop. But we didn't exactly know who was the good player on the teams yet. Yeah, and I think that was why we kind of balked at it a little bit. But, I mean, looking at it now, Caleb Williams was the QB8. DeAndre Swift was the RB16. I think he was very useful this season. Colston Loveland, who was a top-10 pick at tight end, he was the tight end 12 overall in points, but from week 9 on, so basically the second half of the season, he was the tight end 4. Yeah, Colston Loveland was unplayable, like unrosterable for the first half of the season. If you played him, you probably missed the playoffs. But then if you added him when someone cut him, Colston Loveland probably helped you. And it's the reverse for Roma Dunze, who was fantastic for like six weeks. He heard his foot. He's on the list of guys that we have to revisit. Actually, we'll talk about him later in the episode. So Ben Johnson was the big one. And look, this goes to how great last year's coaching carousel was. Ben Johnson, I think, was a good opportunity to get in before everyone on the team gets too expensive. Some people might have got on that train. Some people might have balked at it. Liam Cohn is the other one for the Jags. I mean, Trevor Lawrence was a QB5 this year. in fantasy. That was a massive opportunity. Travis Etienne was the RB13. As you mentioned, Craig, Bretton Strange was the tight end nine. He was useful. But then the elephant in the room is the one guy you felt the best about. Top 10 pick. Brian Thomas Jr. was a total dud. And so look, obviously this is a rule, but this doesn't mean we're going to be right every single time. I think to me, this is just a way of looking at the NFL as a whole when you're going into fantasy drafts and trying to identify what teams are undervalued, right? And so this next season, I'm going to be kind of, you're going to be all over this too, but like the Chargers with Mike McDaniel is kind of the team I think I'm going to be circling on a lot of drafts. I think Omar in Hampton is going to be one of my highest drafted players, assuming he can stay healthy all off season. You know, there's a lot of guys in that offense that I'm excited about. And so I think Ladd McConkie, as much as you guys hate on him, I'm going to be drafting him a lot next year. him um i don't know and obviously we all love lad i like lad he was disappointing this year well i don't know what else was upset i look i i think he's very good i think the point you're making dj is very good i i agree with everything you guys are saying and i think i would i i actually there's this is our number one thing for a reason and i actually think we could double down on it like the kingmakers thing stafford i i don't even know where to begin but i mean i guess we'll start with the obvious so sometimes when we say don't overthink it matt stafford now is responsible for How many of the top 10 fantasy receiver seasons ever? It's like Calvin Johnson, Cooper Cup winning a triple crown, Puka Nukua last year. Players on good teams is the appropriate first tattoo that should be the biggest on your chest. Actually, can we talk about what's the opposite of this? Like, I wonder if anyone's listening being like, this is so obvious. Is there a player that doesn't fit this mold that you could take in the top two rounds? That would be the example of disobeying this tattoo. I will tell you guys right now. I think if you look at coaching, coaching is just good coaches do make more with less. And I think when you look at bad coaching, my question for you guys is I was doing my rankings. The next episode we're going to do after this, it's going to be like our blind top 20 or top 10 rankings our first round. The player I kept staring at was Trey McBride for the Cardinals, who was the number one tight end by a mile. And it's not a question of whether he's a top tight end, just where do you take him? And I kept thinking, you know, that was a perfect storm to get Trey McBride. I mean, the Cardinals, Jacoby Brissett broke the record for completions in a game. There's all these reasons that the pass attempts to come down. But the coordinator that the Cardinals hired this year is Nate Hackett, who he's going to run the Cardinals offense. And I'm kind of looking at this, and I think the Cardinals and picking a Cardinals offense sticks out like a sore thumb. We don't know who the quarterback is going to be. That's the guy where I'm like, would you rather have – honestly, if you forget this fear of us putting out rankings that would have Brock Bowers over Trey McBride. Part of me is like, would you actually rather have Brock Bowers now that Clint Kubiak's running the Raiders offense and Medillus would be the quarterback? Or do you want Trey McBride when Nate Hackett's the coordinator? Yeah. I think Michael Fleur is going to be calling plays for the record. But still, the point stands that there's a lot of uncertainty there. Are these guys actually kingmakers or are we just like looking at his name? Well, yeah. I mean, new coach, new play caller, new quarterback is there's a lot going on there. I think looking back at 2025, maybe a player who disobeys this tattoo, and I took this player, but in the Ringer Fantasy League, is Ashton Gentey. Yeah, that was the one I was circling to. It's basically saying, what this tattoo is really saying is don't just bet on raw talent, I guess. Consider the context around the raw talent. Gentey's obviously very good, and I even think he proved this year he's very good. but new coach and Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly back in the NFL for the first time in a decade, you have Geno Smith coming to a new team. The offensive line was terrible. All that was, was all those question marks. Even if you like Pete Carroll, even if you thought you were confident about Chip Kelly, they are question marks much more so than what, you know, Kyle Shanahan is going to bring you. And so taking a guy like Gentry over McCaffrey, even if you think Gentry is really good, the baked in, you know, reliability that Shanahan offers you, you just, you literally can't know it for Vegas. And so I think that's what you kind of have to do in the first two rounds is like, what do I know is true and what do I not know is true? Yeah. The other example, I think that's a good one here. And I don't know if it was super obvious in retrospect. We did talk about it quite a bit. But Justin Jefferson being like a top five pick in fantasy last year. I was low on him for this exact reason last year. In this episode last year, we literally discussed if they let Darnold go, why would you take Jefferson in the first round? I think we were right. Here's the deal. Now, you could talk yourself into that situation and KOC, Kevin O'Connell, being a kingmaker. I feel like I could have talked myself into that. What he did with Josh Dobbs for a little bit, for Nick Mullins, whoever are the other guys he started over the last couple of years. You know, Kirk Cousins. I think I kind of talked myself into the idea that it didn't matter what quarterback was under center for them. Obviously, that turned out to be horrifically wrong. Justin Jefferson was one of the worst picks, obviously, all season. And so in terms of at least the very, very high picks. And so I think it does have the quarterback does matter a lot. It's not just the play caller. It's the situation where we know this team is going to be high-flying, high-octane, high-efficiency, scoring a lot of points. I think the other guy that's going to be interesting this year is Malik Nabors, elite player, exciting young quarterback in Jackson Dart. but there's a lot of question marks with what's going on with not only his health, not only Malik Neaver's health, but what's the type of offense they're going to run in New York. And I don't really, you know, it's just one of those things where I'm not going to bank on it being good. Matt Nagy, like what has he done over the last few years with the chiefs offense or chiefs offense has been hard to watch the last couple of years. The giants. I don't want to talk too much about the giants because I think I'll bring them up a lot. I, I, I mean, they have an overqualified staff, Matt Nagy is offensive coordinator. And then Brian Callahan is going to be the quarterback coach, which say what you want about Brian Callen's timeouts or, you know, special teams as the head coach. Brian Callen's pretty overqualified to be a quarterback's coach at this point. So I'm, I'm happy about it, but I agree DK, like neighbors, there's a lot of questions. But I think overall it sounds obvious, but the, what we're saying is when in doubt guys with coaches, who's clearly put players in positions to succeed are the guys you want. So I think another version of this from last year, not to linger too long on this, but Brian Schottenheimer, I went kind of hard on the Cowboys. I just felt like Schottenheimer was going to give them an offense that was high-flying, high-scoring, push the ball down the field. And with the disparity between Seedy and Pickens and the next closest receiver on that team, I was like, these guys are going to get force-fed. And both those guys were very valuable in fantasy. So Schottenheimer is kind of another interesting, I think, example. Obviously, he had Dak Prescott coming back. So I was confident in that. It's kind of like when you get in your car and you buckle your seatbelt, you check your side mirrors and you check your front mirror and then you go it's kind of the same thing in the first two rounds where it's like yeah who is the plate caller who is the quarterback and who is the head coach this is i might make the rule for next year every time you mention a receiver you have to mention the coach and the quarterback yeah sentence and then you'll like kind of know what you want uh next one here the next tattoo we have craig yeah it is um take the guys you want and i know that sounds very simple but it bears repeating i have it tattooed on my like lower neck right here. So even when I wear a shirt, I can still see no regrets. Yeah. Right there. It, this is half emotional and half practical. It it's doubly worse when you don't take a guy you want. And then he ends up sucking. That's like the worst situation in fantasy football is like, I didn't want Malik neighbors. And then he tore his ACL. That's just terrible. And so like guys who I like, like I love a Monroe St. Brown. I always want a Monroe to say brown and if you're between a guy like him or malik neighbors and maybe the rankings say one thing just take the guy you want take the guy you like take the guy you want to root for on the team you want to root for uh like if you have to split hairs picking the guy you want just makes the entire experience more enjoyable is this sort of is the opposite of this or the inverse of this i guess don't just take a guy because he's a quote-unquote value at where you're drafting and i want to be specific because that it really only applies to the first three rounds this rule because later in drafts it starts to turn into actually you should take these boring guys that are left behind like heifetz took michael pitman in the ringer fantasy draft because nobody wanted him even jonathan taylor heifetz took because nobody wanted him but like the first two rounds then i think you should take the guys you want because everybody is quote-unquote good high conviction when you're around 10 and it's like man nobody wants michael pitman i don't like Michael Pittman either I think you then have to start re-evaluating like value but in the first two rounds take the guys you want because if it doesn't work out it'll hurt that much more yeah the I totally agree with everything Craig's saying I remember I really changed my mind on this my friend Brian a couple years ago Ricky B-bone Ricky Paris so he had Ricky Paris on his bench this is Ricky Paris first year he'd gotten shot earlier in the season he came back but like he wasn't doing anything it was just amazing he was still playing and I was like why do you have Ricky pierce on your team and he's like i like him he makes me happy uh and all right and i was like that's good enough man that isn't that the point and he talked about marie kondo and he was like i'm marie kondo my fantasy team it's like if they don't spark joy get rid of them and it's such a simple way to live and i ever since then i'm like yeah it's it's it's not an entire way to rank players but it's more than a tiebreaker and i have my guys that bring me happiness but that's not the point i think people need you need to find your list of who makes you happy for me it's random it's like and i can go through them it's like cam scadaboo makes me happy i don't know if cam scadaboo is a good player this year he had a bad leg break he'll probably need a full year to recover i don't know but i like cam scadaboo more than you do and cam scadaboo can be bad and sit on my bench and i'll open my little app i'll be like god i love this guy and like that is important and knowing who you actually like craig mentioned amonra i love amonra like derrick henry just makes me happy like ricky ricky parasol and like just know who makes you happy and you don't have to explain yourself it's fake it's a dumb fake team you're probably going to lose the players who make you happy should be it's also funny when sometimes you know like i kind of just fell into jackson smith and jigba in my home league last year i just kind of took them and now i'm i'm in a committed relationship with him and i will do everything i can to draft him every year so sometimes it comes out of nowhere um and then there's other times when you take a guy you think you like drake london and it doesn't go well and then you have to reevaluate so yeah and you ghost him and that's okay it's all right keep dating keep trying exactly get out there keep swiping you find the right person dude my brother had derrick henry six years in a row because he had derrick henry the first year he became derrick henry my brother's like well i'll never not do this ever again you what turned out pretty good every league has those where it's just the same guy or one guy has the same guy every single year you know and even in like auction leagues like i have a buddy in my home league who always drafts jameer gibbs yeah and it's annoying and he always overspends but that it always like no one remembers that he spent five more dollars than he should have on jameer gibbs and then it's like week eight and jameer gibbs is crushing it and everyone's jealous like you had seven dollars over the suggested value no one gives a shit yes jameer gibbs This flip side of this one is the avoid toxic people. This is DK's Don't Trust Kyle Shanahan or Shock Yourself to the Whims of Sean Payton. And I'm expanding this list, by the way. So the coaches that I just – and look, it's not a – I don't follow this 100% to be clear. Christian McCaffrey is the biggest sort of outlier in this whole thing. If Christian McCaffrey is there, I'll probably still take him this year. But – I guess I would take the number one running. Yeah, but Kyle Shanahan generally I don't – and Sean Payton is in this list. I don't like to shackle myself to the whims of volatile coaches, coaches that put people in the doghouse for no apparent reason. I know there's probably real reasons that these guys get in the doghouse, but no apparent reason to us. I don't want to have to be playing whack-a-mole with this offense. Sean Payton's looking at every player's ankle x-rays now. Sean Payton, I think, spends more time looking at the playing time of his wide receiver five than any coach in the NFL. He needs to get those snaps up for a little Jordan Humphrey. every year. Again, we should say that the Broncos should have probably been in the Super Bowl, but yeah, good coach. I don't like his fantasy. Probably would have won the Super Bowl. If Bo Nix was healthy. Um, yeah. Yeah. And look, Kyle Shanahan is like this. So if I, if I had my coach choice of any coach in the NFL, it'd be Sean McVay. Number two, probably be Kyle Shanahan. He's a good coach. I just, in fantasy, I'm avoiding his players. Same with Sean Payton. The third guy I'm adding to this list this year, I'm not drafting any Packers ever again. The receivers specifically. Can I keep this rule? And I think we're going to nail it. I think you should draft the cheapest player on these teams. Sure. Yeah. I mean, that would have been like Romeo Dubs this year, maybe, I guess. Exactly. Is this really the coach, DK, or is it the roster? Because we're just naming teams that don't have alphas. No, but it's the way the coach made the roster. That's fine. I think it's a little of both. Yeah, it's a little bit of both because the Packers, you know, specifically, they are a team that just has a lot of very talented receivers. They like to rotate. But I think even if they didn't, even if they did have a number one, I still think they would rotate. You know what I mean? Like, I think to me, Jane Reed is their best receiver and he only plays in 11 personnel. He only gets on the field when he's in three receiver sets. Yes. However, Devontae Adams was with LaFleur in Green Bay and he was awesome. Yeah, so there's probably shades that you're absolutely right on that. But he's not there anymore. But that's an example of that's another rule. Aaron Rodgers is a kingmaker. When Aaron Rodgers decides, I like you, then that guy was a number one top five receiver, top three receiver for 12 straight years. I think that's like the first rule overseeding this one. This is why we revisit it every year. But generally speaking, the way that the NFL is situated right now, these teams are situated right now, I'm avoiding Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, and Matt LaFleur. and you can't really convince me that any of those guys can be valued until like the 18th round. I think you should go even further because I think the thing you're talking about is the number one thing that does not, like the most practical problem people have during the season that we don't talk about before you draft them is the problem with the players you're talking about. Courtland Sutton and the Broncos or all these other Packers is do I play them each week? And the problem with Sean Payton and Matt LaFleur isn't just the, what you're talking about, who's going to be the number one but on a week-to-week basis it's hard to tell people whether to take court to play courtland sutton it hard to tell people whether to play jayden reed like like that is also an issue not like other guys where you like they getting a certain amount of targets and we see what happens It like the target share is all over the place Yeah, that's exactly the right point. I want to chase consistency and sort of look at the underlying numbers. Tucker Craft is another interesting example coming into next year. I mean, if you just look at that points per game list, he's the tight end too from 2025. He averaged almost 13 points per game in half PBR. But guess what? He had a 9.6% target rate. He was very reliant on touchdowns. He scored six touchdowns in eight games. And I don't know if I necessarily want to trust that next year when he's getting 10% of the targets. It's like one of those things. I don't want to play whack-a-mole all season and not know what I'm going to get from him. He's coming off an injury. So I'm going to be out on Tucker Craft too probably, even though I think he's a really good player. Craig's skepticism is warranted. However, I do – I've actually learned one or two things during this entire show. It's that when DK is just out on a person because, like, I actually emotionally don't have space for them to continue to be in my life. He bats really high. Like, DK was the first person to be like, Michael Thomas? I can't have this guy in my life anymore. Arthur Smith, yeah. Arthur Smith. Like, DK is cutting edge with the I can't – this person and I are no longer going to continue to be together. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of just once I get once I'm out on a player, I kind of just I'm out. I actually I want to say I misspoke on Tucker. He had an 18 percent target rate in the games he played. So that's that's definitely more palatable. But I still think the same rule kind of applies. It's like some games he's going to be the number one receiver. Some games you might get two targets and it's just going to be really hard to figure out which one is which. A couple of the rules I want to revisit here, starting with this one, I think, worked out, Craig, this next one here. I think it's a quarterback tattoo. Where is this one on your body, Craig? This one is, you know, like the stereotypical, like heart my mom on the shoulder. That's where this one is. Yeah, yeah. It says, get you a man that can do both. And, you know, it refers to quarterbacks who can pass and run. However, I wanted to revisit this because we've been doing the show for five seasons. I think we're going on season six. Is that right? Even back then, 2019, 2020, there was like a handful of guys who were real runners. and now there's like a dozen of them who are who there were nine quarterbacks this year who ran for four or more touchdowns there were 14 quarterbacks this year who averaged more than three fantasy points per game from rushing and i'm almost like you know there was no quarterback who ran for more than 600 yards this year and so it's like this kind of almost flattened range of quarterbacks that can run from your josh allens and drake may burst onto the scene obviously lamar and jayden Daniels, but then you keep working your way down and you have, you have Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence scored a lot of touchdowns this year. You have Jackson Dart, Jalen Hurts still runs. You have Bo Nix, but Holmes is still very mobile. Um, do you guys still feel that it's worth attacking the elite rushers? Are you like, Hey, honestly, they all kind of rush now. This is a good question. Basically the question is, is late round quarterback back? Yeah. You know what I mean? Um, because the pendulum has now swung. We were in that period of disruption right in in the late 2010s where these russian quarterbacks were kind of mucking shit up and it was like holy shit lamar jackson and all these guys are changing things specifically for fantasy and in the nfl but mainly for the purposes of this show for fantasy and now it's like well things have evened out a little bit where they're all the new new quarterbacks coming to the league like bo nicks and jackson dart and all these guys where the next generation of quarterbacks are dual threat and so 10 years from now we might just have 32 jackson darts and josh challenge isn't drake may's in the nfl and are we are we close to that now i think you definitely still want a running quarterback i think yeah the question is do you wait for a running quarterback i think to your point and again a good example is drake may and we we were like why are we pretending just put drake may ninth solely because we talked about the supply and demand of there's 10 quarterbacks you could take but only drake may has the upside with the rushing to be really high and honestly that's probably our best call the whole season was just fuck it we're gonna put him eighth or ninth in our everybody had him high and it worked out he was like the ultimate every fantasy person wanted like thought drake may was going to explode and he did and it was worked out even better than any the rare thing where everyone who had everyone had him high everyone's right and yet no one actually went far enough in how good he would be to the point where i think it's not controversial to say josh allen will be our number one quarterback and honestly it'll be drake may or lamar is number two and like like we'll see but um i think the underlying reason is very simple it's hard to predict who's going to have the most passing stats because it's not the same as being a good quarterback because passing stats requires uh frankly either you being like matt stafford and or your defense being so bad you have to throw all the time it's hard to predict that's all it is it's like we know the pool of people it could be rushing's different we know who can run like we know there is no surprise jared goff 11 touchdown season we know all the quarterbacks who can run really well or run enough to score and so you i mean go down the if you guys want to go down the list i kind of want to um do it i didn't even mention justin Herbert, who was second in the NFL in rushing that quarterback. We can just do it. I think the top quarterback's Josh, and then I think it's going to be Drake May or how you feel about Lamar Jackson. Basically, you guys seem to hate Lamar and be totally out on him. Not in fantasy. But I think Josh and Drake May and Lamar and whatever, like, you know, Josh, Lamar, Drake, whatever. But, like, we'll see. But then I think Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence can run. Joe Burrow is the only guy that gets the perma-passing, the pocket-passer statue guy because the Bengals defense is so bad but then it's like jackson dart hurts if they don't ban the tush push and bo nicks but he is off a broken ankle and then it's just like pick your pocket passer stafford mahomes dac purdy i mean herbert i guess can run more but um i i do think it's deep enough that you can wait i i really do i mean i think it it's it's still similar i think it's similar enough to last year where you're chasing a higher floor with the josh allens with the lamar jacksons Jaden Daniels because they run because they're going to get you five plus fantasy points a game just from running. And then we're going to have very likely and this happens every year, there's probably going to be like three or two or three, quote unquote, pocket passers who just have a great year and pass for 35, 40 touchdowns. And it's going to be maybe it'll be Brock Purdy. Maybe it'll be Dak Prescott. Maybe it'll be, you know, one of these like Jared Goff or something where he throws for 40 something touchdowns last year. It's going to it's going to be hard to predict, but I do think if you miss out on one of the quote-unquote running quarterbacks, I think a good strategy for this next year's draft is just take two pocket passers late, and hopefully one of those guys will have an above average year. Like Stafford this year, he had an MVP season, and he was awesome. But it is kind of hard to predict. Can I say something crazy to you guys that I just feel based on what we've talked about? If you combine what we were talking about with offenses and coaches and trajectories and just basically a lot of what we're saying and the reason we do this is what we're trying to tell ourselves in nine months is don't look past the most important things and if you look at that the rent in terms of what i was saying before about like trajectory where these guys going let's say josh is the number one quarterback people i kind of don't think lamar will be the second quarterback off the board because i think people have so much um maybe people will forget but let's just fine say it's lamar and then drake may as the top three guys i kind of think caleb williams and trevor lawrence should be fourth and fifth and i will probably have them ranked that way and that will not be consensus and people will have mathematical arguments for why i'm wrong i kind of don't care because at the simplest level i don't know i don't know if there will be any pushback on that who's going to be ahead of those guys well that's the only guy that i wanted to ask i don't know the only guy that i would push back and i and i'm just thinking about it now the guy who's probably going to be overrated going into next season is Trevor Lawrence. You think Lawrence will be overrated? Yeah, because he had nine rushing touchdowns. But that's my point is people are going to say he's not going to have nice. He's probably going to have like three next year. But that's the thing. People are going to say it's regressed. Trevor Lawrence is fast, but no one thinks he is because he's six foot six and white and his long blonde hair. But I'm like, he can run. He runs all the time. And I think Liam, Liam Cohen's always kind of encouraged his quarterbacks to run more. Like even Baker ran more when he was under Liam Cohen. And I look at it as the only quarterbacks that are really young and talented with number one overall potential. Caleb and Trevor Lawrence are getting a full offseason with their coaches josh allen his coordinator became head coach but then you look at the rest of the list down you're like okay jayden daniels is a cliff kingsbury left washington so he's a new coordinator lamar is a new head coaching coordinator um jackson dart's gonna have a whole new staff jalen hurts might have the same coordinator which is not really but like whatever is going with the eagles like that's a mess over there and you're doing the look the list bo nicks that staff was a little shaken up you know what's going on all the other rushing quarterbacks are mobile guys it's a total like you're hoping that a new staff gives them a step forward but like we expect Caleb and Trevor Lawrence to get better because now they're spending a full year in these offenses so I kind of think you could convince me Caleb and Trevor Lawrence could go over Lamar I wouldn't think you're crazy I'm going to be all in on Caleb and honestly I'm probably going to be all in on Justin Herbert but I think what we're basically saying is is that the top tier of quarterback now is a little bit deeper and that it's like six seven eight guys deep you kind of be okay with and there's not the you have to get joshua lamar that's kind of maybe not not the big four you also could be the last person to get your quarter think about it this way let's just say i'm going to be last you could get literally bo nicks or patrick holmes or dac prescott last and then pair them with brock purdy or justin herbert like the list of quarterbacks you literally might get matt stafford last as the quarterback like whatever the list is just pull up the top 15 quarterbacks and look how easy it is to get two of the last five guys and you're like it's totally fine. So I think to answer DK, your question at the beginning is I do think late round quarterback is kind of back. I think Josh Allen is like consensus. He's never screwed me. So I'm going to draft him every year. And after that, it's like two through 10. He can be all right. I can't believe fricking Lamar averaged 16 points a game. He ruined my life. I mean, I think he's going to bounce back, but that was so disappointing. So DK, the next tattoo you've had is we ride with the wild hogs. You representing the old guys. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is something that happens. You know, I play a lot of Dynasty fantasy, and the thing is like trying to do the Belichick and sell before they get too old where they lose all their value, but then half the time you sell these guys, and then they have like three more great seasons. Derek Henry is the perfect example. Heifetz tried to trade me Derek Henry before the fantasy playoffs, and then Derek Henry got him a championship when I said no. So the thing is – Everybody that I offered him to said no, and anybody who accepted it would have won, so I won. Yeah, Heifetz fucking won the league. So I think what I'm saying with the ride with the Wild Hogs thing is it's so much harder to displace an established, entrenched veteran than people think it is. We do this every year. This guy's going to come in, and he's going to make so-and-so irrelevant. And then Mike Evans is still 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns or whatever. Christian McCaffrey, you're probably going to talk about how old he is and how he didn't look quite as fast this year all offseason. And then he's still going to get 300 touches. So I think there's definitely shades of gray in here where, you know, the Travis Kelsey's the world. They're probably not going to be back on Travis Kelsey if he plays again, things like that. But I do think guys like Derrick Henry, CMC, I bet you Saquon will have a huge big bounce back season. I'll probably be all over Saquon this year just because people are kind of, I think, lower on him than usual. And I just think it's still so much harder to get rid of these old wily vets than people think it is. I think it's really simple. If you haven't seen the cliff yet, then it's not, you don't have to worry about it coming. Like we saw Travis Kelsey at a cliff this year. It's not coming back, but we haven't seen it with certain people. So don't worry about it. Yeah. So I think generally I'm still going to be in on this. I think this year was maybe a little less of a strong case for it than usual, but I still feel pretty strongly about this. Yeah, we'll go through. Devante Adams, Mike Evans will be 33 this year. Stefan Diggs will be 33 this year. Derek Henry just turned 32. McCaffrey turns 30 in June. sake once 29 like well it's a test of whether people can stare at those numbers and not worry about it you know tom cruise still making people go to the box office you know still doing all his own stunts yeah it's that simple it's we joke about it but i kind of think we nailed it it's if it was called 29 and 5 it wouldn't worry about it but it's called you know 29 and 4 it's fine but yeah 33 sounds scary but like it doesn't matter can we start saying that i'm 29 and 2 i would love that yeah 29 craig's 29 to great dk the last one we have and then we got to go to polaroids in the season that we're gonna make tattoos we have hold rookie receivers this one is the one that failed us the most this year yeah and this is the first time in like six or seven years where it really didn't pay off and this is hold on to your rookie receivers even when they're not really doing a whole lot in the beginning of the season where is this tattoo uh this one is you know like on my side on my rib cage oh yeah you know and cursive yeah because it's painful right there you remember that shit um so basically every year over the last six or seven years if you hold on to these rookie quarterback or rookie receivers it usually pays off you got like just jefferson's jalen waddle some of these guys that have massive massive second half of the season even though they're like not doing a whole lot in the first half of the season we didn't really see that this year honestly this rookie class this rookie receiver class kind of disappointed i would say Emeka Buka in the beginning of the year looked amazing. And then he was like the wide receiver four on his team by the end of the season. It was very bizarre. It was like the inverse of this rule. I think Ted McMillan was good. He had over 1,000 yards, but he wasn't going to be the type of guy that won anybody their league. Luther Burden, I think he's looking interesting. But again, he wasn't actually that useful in fantasy. Matthew Golden, absolute no-show. Didn't do anything, unfortunately. Yeah, one good catch in the playoffs just to rope me back in for next year. Yeah. So I still look at this. I think this was probably a bit of an outlier season in terms of that rule. But I'm I'm I am quite I'm less confident in it going. No, no. We remain unwavered. You have to hold strong with this take because it has been right most of the time. All right. So next year's next year's class. We'll get into all the receivers going going into the draft next year. But I think there are some good receivers, some guys that could be productive and fantasy. But yeah, this rule did kind of let us down in 2025. I think it's just as simple as second-year receivers. We used to be the thing. It's like, look at second-year guys, and we should just go back to that. I think a lot of last year's rookie receivers will probably be fine. I didn't do a deep dive on this. It's just more impression. But I wonder if we did sort of reach a tipping point of receiver talent in the NFL, where there's actually quite a lot of really good young receivers in the NFL, and it's harder to kind of find a high volume role when you have so many receivers. And teams started playing multiple tight ends way more. That's true. You can't – that's also rookie receivers are getting on the field and three receiver sets and suddenly they're like, oh, well, we're going to go more two tight end sets. And I think you saw that the rookies are the guys that are not getting on the field. Yep. All right. Let's get into Polaroids. These are things that we – lessons we have from this season that I think we need to discuss and decide if it's going to be a tattoo. and I want to start with, I don't know what this one means. I wrote this down. You have no memory of it. I actually do. I'm serious. I do write these down in a note all season and I save this episode. This is true. The number one thing I wrote down and I want you guys to help me. It says, listen to these tattoos, you idiot. I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you. What do you guys think that means? You wrote this in a moment of despair. Something bad happened. I don't know. I can't pinpoint what it was. Yeah, could be anything. I think, I don't know. This is the reason we do this episode is because we ignore all the fucking, once you get into that draft, you see some shiny new toy, you want to grab it. But, yeah, you don't remember what story. Was it like Tony Pollard had his, like, 10th straight disappointing game, and you're like, why did I do this? None of my tattoos told me to take him. A true story. I write things down all season, and I open it for the show, and I was like, this was the top of the list. It's like, oh, my God. You got to get into the metadata and like pinpoint what day it happened. I should. The other one I had for this season, I just wrote down, believe your eyes. And like, you know, everyone had that George Orwell quote this year. Like the party told you reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. I think George Orwell learned that playing fantasy football because it's really, this is about August where like, I'm like, there are all these things people are going to try to tell you, like, they're going to tell you, don't remember anything you saw. Don't worry about what you heard. And they're going to be like Derek Henry. 32 he's the oldest running back in the nfl and i'm like i saw with my eyes that derrick henry destroyed everybody in december and january again and anybody who had derrick henry in the fantasy playoffs won their title i saw it i can't unsee it i won't i refuse to i don't give people like well keith mitchell will take his i don't care i don't care and i just i don't give a shit about keith mitchell everyone said his name everyone's gonna memory hole like trivia and henderson Everyone's going to try to bury Ramondre Stevenson in a ditch like he doesn't exist. Travion Henderson, no, at the full offseason. And I'm like, I don't give a shit. Ramondre Stevenson was better than Travion Henderson at the end. I saw it with my eyes. He was a better player. He's not going anywhere. I don't care. I witnessed with my eyes your testicles on my drum set. You can't forget that shit. I was watching Cops. I witnessed with my eyes your testicles on – so did we all. We all saw that, too. This is Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. People are going to try to rank Marvin Harrison next year higher than Michael Wilson. I saw Michael Wilson's testicles on Marvin Harrison's drum set. I witnessed with my eyes. I agree with you. It's a tale as old as time. Trust your eyes. Trust your eyes. It's anti-Lytics. Anti-Lytics. You cannot convince me Michael Wilson should be drafted behind Marvin Harrison Jr. year the other one is getting travis hunter who i know that i've just i was the number one person to love the travis hunter but after watching the jaguars it is so obvious to me he's their fourth receiver they paid jacoby myers 60 million dollars a year he's not coming off the field brian thomas can't play cornerback he's not coming off the field porker washington's not coming off the fucking field like those three guys are the top three receivers travis hunter is like the best fourth receiver in the nfl he should practice with the defense and if one of those guys gets hurt travis hunter should slot in but he needs to practice with the defense he's coming off a knee injury and i'm like people are gonna be like oh travis like no those three guys are playing i don't give a shit what anyone says about parker washington like i saw it i saw this is a this is a a brutal example because i'm 100 going to not believe my eyes on this one you know what i mean yeah they used to draw a tattoo bigger this is the hardest example because i love parker washington parker washington is awesome everything he did to close out the season i'm like this guy's awesome i don't know why they can't weren't playing him earlier but also in my heart i believe they're going to plop him right back on the bench and play travis hunter because they fucking pick they trip they traded up to number two to fucking draft that's what everyone's gonna say i guarantee you we should let's make a bet let's make a bet because i i think you're gonna be wrong on this one receiver snaps week one for the jaguars and then if anyone gets hurt the full whole season why are we talking about week one but i don't know it seems did you want to do the whole season sure Yeah, because you play fantasy football for a whole season. The bet should be if everyone is healthy, where does Travis Hunter rank in terms of Jacksonville's wide receiver snaps? I think the sunk cost thing is too, too strong for them. They don't want to look like idiots. I will take that. They should just trade him now. I love Parker Washington, too. This pains me to do this. But here's the thing. Why? Why would they play Travis Hunter or Parker Washington? Because the offense, Trevor Lawrence of the most. Very obvious reasons. They traded two firsts to go fucking get him. Yeah. And then Parker Washington. Very obvious reasons. So he'll play defense. I feel like we shouldn't say they traded two first. When have you watched the NFL? People fucking stick to their draft capital for so long. This is the whole thing. It's like there's no way – like the Jaguars offense down the – I mean what did we say Trevor Lawrence had the most fantasy points in the history of the fantasy football playoffs in the final three weeks of the season? Yeah. They're not tweaking it. I think DK, I think the difference is, I think generally you're right. Like the Warriors refusing to trade Jonathan Kaminga for five years is because the owner was like, I don't want to admit that I made the wrong pick. But because Travis Hunter can also just play corner, I feel like it's different. If he was just a wide receiver, I might agree with you. But he can just play corner. You know what the Jags need? A fucking cornerback. Yeah, I want Heifetz to be right. I do. I truly do. because I really do honestly like Parker Washington. Also, I don't think we can say that. I don't like that we say the Jaguars traded two first-round picks. Whatever it is they traded at. Because they didn't. Okay, my bad. Whatever it is they traded. They traded a lot to go get this guy. They swapped picks and then traded next year's first. So technically they did like two first-round picks were traded. But I feel like you've got to say they traded one. It's a first. Well, it's a first and a second. Sure, sure, sure. But a swap should not be factored in. A first and a second is a swap. That's fair. but what was the number second overall right yeah yeah yeah um they moved up from five to two right the the other players i just want to short like players that i'm like i i just think we've seen enough like they're gonna i don't care what people say in august like they're not going to lose playing time javante williams if he goes back to dallas is the starter i don't want to hear anything kenneth if aaron rogers go back goes back to pittsburgh kenneth gainwell will be exactly league is oh one million percent same guy ken ken kenwell might be the best player in the nfl like believe your eyes on that god i hope he comes back he became my favorite player yeah anyway i just i believe my eyes so there you go that's heifetz generally i totally agree with you on this with that example like is why i fail at these types of things i think heifetz you have the the bears running backs are good ones like oh yeah that worked and i i'm good with it Draft him again. Yeah, DeAndre Swift and Kyle Manungai were fantastic. Kimir Dike for the Titans. It's like they'll bring in a number one. Kimir Dike is the number two. Kimir Dike might be better than whoever they bring in as the number one receiver next year. He was incredible. Another guy who's a trust-your-eyes guy, although he did get hurt. But long-term, like, Quinchon Judkins is good. Yeah, it's weird that he, like, broke his leg late in the year, which sucks because everything else suggested he was going to be a really good pro, and he was really good immediately. I don't know what to do with a player on the Cleveland Browns who broke his leg. but he went under the radar because the Browns were terrible and nobody watched them but Judkins was quietly very good any Jaguars the Jaguars starting running back if they let Etienne go in free agency then Basial Tootin have seen enough like he's like I don't want to hear anything else you know who's another guy who I just know is good is I think Blake Corum's good I think he's better than Kyron Williams he's just good he will take that job this year is it is it bad that I can never tell the difference between Kyron and Corum that's a compliment to Blake Corum right and you know half the time it's Corum running I'm like oh Kyron looked good there. And I was like, oh, that was Coram. And then vice versa. I'm like, oh, Coram's good. Oh, that was Kyron. Shoot. Some of the best analysis you have is when you actually are intently watching and you get confused I knew Saquon was not recovered from a high ankle sprain years ago Everyone like what going on with Saquon I like I tell you what going on When he in I like oh Wayne Gallman Yeah, Wayne Gallman. I'm like, oh, that's Saquon. Like, that's bad. I remember so many of those moments where I was like, ooh, there we go. Saquon, he's got it back. Oh, fuck, that was Gallman. Wow, he's really got birthed. Damn it. That's, like, that is one of the best tests there is. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay. the other one just i think this covers a lot of things we talked about but i just the end i i think we should get this tattooed just buy the dip it's simple it's buy the dip like last year you bought the dip and christian mcafree it worked like you buy the dip on all these players it's the hardest thing to do so like mcafree was the guy and warren buffett right here baby right like everyone's being a little bitch then fucking go for it and when everyone's just being reckless then you just don't and it's like i can tell you right now who i think by the dip on number one is lamar jackson because he's lamar jackson and no one's gonna want him uh running back it's a little harder saquon probably bucky irving maybe saquon's a great one and bucky is a yeah totally bucky there's gonna be i've already seen so many tweets of bucky's stats his rookie season versus second season where everything on this first season was you know efficiency total whatever it was like First, first, second, third, first. And then his second season was like, out of 43 qualifying running backs, 42nd, 41st, 43rd, 43rd. Like he was one of the worst running backs in the NFL. All of a sudden, I think it was probably just he was hurt. Also, the run game situation, yeah, with the coaching. Liam Cohen, it's everything. Liam Cohen went to the Jacksonville and the running backs went better. But then the Bucs all-in got hurt and Bucky was hurt. So it's like, you have perfect storms like that. The Eagles will see because part of me wants to see if the Eagles will be a disaster again. part of me is like saquon's going to be somewhere between last year and the year before so it's probably a value i will say though the ultimate by the dip this season is going to be at receiver yeah yeah brian talk all the initial guys brian btj ajb like brian thomas jr like i'm telling you right now that's a by the dip guy aj brown we'll see what happens with the eagles that one's a little harder because these guys suck to draft i know but that's the point is i hate drafting these guys yeah dj more for the bears it's going to be luther bird and mania dj more is a better player he's a more complete player he's more polished he's a pro and luther bird is still learning the ropes and i'm like dj more is going to fly under the radar compared to luther bird and dj more's gonna be better the other one roma dunze as well is gonna fly super under the radar and i'm like you know what throw it out he had a foot injury he could barely walk like i i just i don't care he's a really talented player i'm just gonna blindly take him uh like it just i think there's And also, I think the top by the dip guys for me, though, are going to be Brock Bowers. And then if you want to late tight ends, it's going to be David and Jokin. Bowers, there's going to be no value in Bowers. Bowers will be immediately back to the top. I think Bowers, we'll see where he ends up. But I think Bowers. I think he's going to be tight end one in rankings. No, I think Trey McBride will definitely be the number one guy. I don't know if that's, I mean, who's the quarterback? People don't know. We'll see. Well, the quarterback they have. Probably for set. I think McBride will be number one. I think Bowers is going to be like 18th or 20th pick. And I think that's like, I, I, I, I think Bowers is, I hate this. I don't think I'm going to get this tattoo. I know. I was going to say, Heifetz is going to be buying the dip on all of us in these leagues because I'm not drafting any of these fucking guys. You know what? David Njoku is the perfect example of this to me. David Njoku is the perfect example. Like he's going to be incredible. There's no way in hell Brian Thomas, AJ Brown or DJ Moore are going to be on any of these. You couldn't fucking pay me to drop AJ Brown. I am out for life. I understand it. I just, I don't know. This is why it's the right call. I'll buy the dip on a guy that I didn't have last year. Then I'll buy the dip on those guys. We should probably, another way to do the last two reels we're talking about is what if last season was the only thing you knew? What would you do? And then what if last year had literally never happened? Yeah. And like those two lists where it's like Brian Thomas, A.J. Brown, like where are these guys if you literally never saw last season? If you never saw last season, A.J. Brown's like the wide receiver five. And if you did watch last season, he's like the wide receiver 25. If you only saw last season, he's not drafted. You wouldn't take him. DK, where do you think A.J. Brown finished in points per game last year? Oh, no. Among receivers, like 24th. 12th. Yeah, it didn't feel that way. He was 50th and then like 4th, right? It sure didn't feel that way. 12th is maddening because you were like the first 10 weeks of the season, you were like 2-8 with him. Yeah, yeah. And so it didn't even matter what happened the rest of the year. But he did come back. Also, wait. Do you have that list in front of you or just A.J. Brown? Can I have it? You know what the funniest one on that list to me when I was going through is, where is Zay Flowers on the list of total points? Oh, total points or per game? Total. Because A.J. Brown was 12th per game, not total. And he played 15 games. You want per game or total? Both. Per game, he was 14th, 11.7 per game. and total he was total he was seventh that's fucking crazy because nobody would say flowers liked one fucking second of it and it should be a reminder to not use total points because the zay flowers being seventh and total points for is that really where he is seventh that feels impossible yeah well because he played 17 games dude i here's the thing did you guys have zay flowers on any teams last year i've never had him i was out on him all year that motherfucker runs horizontally more than any player. Like, there's the ratio of how fast you are to how many yards you are running horizontally. There's nobody that's higher than Zay Flowers. He's so messy. Dude, you know who is in the field? So, here are the top five last year. They all make sense in total points. Puka, JSN, Amon Ra, Jamar Chase was fourth. George Pickens was fifth. Guess who was sixth? Right above Zay Flowers. Somebody we pretty much didn't discuss all year. I just looked. Olave? Yeah. Chris Olave, just the wide receiver, sixth. dude that's is he gonna be a is he gonna be a good buy next year is he gonna be a overpriced do you think uh i don't think he's gonna be overpriced he'll be exactly properly priced okay we won't talk about that's an example like rattler was bad and then shuck came in and like basically a lobby was the centerpiece of the offense and rattler couldn't really do it but then shuck came in had a weird start but then shuck actually got it going and a lot started hitting everything as long as we're on this do you think pickens is gonna be overpriced too or do you think Pickens is properly priced. I would almost say he's closer to properly priced. Assuming he's back with Dallas. Yeah. Let's see here. Don't buy the dip. That's what you guys want to do. I agree in buying the dip. All these players you listed, I will not be buying. When you look individually, you're like, I don't want to do any of these. I will probably buy the dip on Roma Dunze. I agree with Roma Dunze. I agree with Lamar, Saquon, and Bucky 100%. Lamar was hurt. I can talk myself into that. A.J. Brown and whatever the fuck is going on with him and the Eagles, I don't know if I want that again. We'll see. DJ Moore I legitimately cut from my team. I'm not doing DJ Moore. But again, I'm out on DJ Moore. We should stress, this is all about when they're – like, DJ Moore, no one's going to draft DJ Moore. So it's like Heifetz getting Michael Pittman. DJ Moore is going to be the new Michael Pittman. He'll be sitting there in the ninth. That's a good call. And then everyone's going to be like, oh, I'm going to go after, you know, whatever cool rookie somebody took, and instead you should just take DJ Moore. There's a reason there's a dip, though, and the overarching point here is a lot of these are gross-ish players, players that no one wants to take. That's why there's a dip, and it's kind of scary to buy a dip. It's not gross. People thought McCaffrey was gross last year. I mean, I think Brian Thomas Jr., A.J. Brown, and E.J. Moore are fucking gross. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, and I'm saying the reasoning for those guys is Brian Thomas was misfit in the office. We have all the year to talk about this, but that's exactly what I'm talking about. It's when multiple things go wrong for a player that's indisputably talented, and if he was in the wrong part of the role, they switched him. Then he got hurt. He came back from injured reserve. And then they had it. They had a new thing going. He's a whole offseason and now they know how they want to use it. It's like that's the definition of me of someone that you should get. He's 24 on this list. I think the two guys that I would I would be willing to take a chance on are Brian Thomas Jr. and Roma Dunze. I would not want to for AJ Brown and DJ Moore. That's fine, because the underlying point is all these guys are spectacularly talented. Sure. And people hate them anyway. So what are the other Polaroids you guys have? Things you're debating getting a tattoo of? I'm debating getting a tattoo, but I don't even know what the tattoo is, which is why I'm here with you boys. What is the Jonathan Taylor Colts lesson? Just write a question on yourself. Yeah, like do more research on this. I don't know. Jonathan Taylor was the best running back in fantasy football and like took the world by storm for eight weeks. and the lesson then was like man if a guy has already been the number one player in fantasy football and he's still under 27 years old maybe don't write that guy off and then i mean i have it jonathan taylor uh had scored 17 touchdowns by week 10 last year and then he had three the rest of the season and was the running back 23 for the for the final eight weeks of the season i so so it's like the entire Colts lesson. What is the lesson? What do I take away from any of that? Sometimes there is no lesson. Well, no, it's, it's, it's, I think that pretending. And as the person who had Jonathan Taylor in the, in the ringer league, I think pretending that like, well, it was easy to see coming is a little ridiculous. Like I, not easy to see. I think, yeah, there's elite talent and like, there's some elite talent. I think the, the real, when you look at it and again, we're the next episode we're doing after this is the first round picks. And I thought Jonathan Taylor was weird to rank because, again, to Craig's point, first 10 weeks of the season, Jonathan Taylor had 100 more points than B. John Robinson. A hundred more points than he had 17 touchdowns by week 10. Then he was behind Zach Charbonnet from that point on. And he did. He was not. The hard part about Taylor is he had very average receiving production. I mean, he wasn't like a high end receiving. This is what happened. No, this is what happens to our brains when we get away. I don't think it's the receiving. I think that it's fucking Daniel Jones broke his leg, cracked it, then towards Achilles, and it was Phil Rivers coming in. And the offense, ever since Daniel Jones broke his leg, couldn't move, the offense like cratered. So I think the lesson to me is elite players always have ceiling when they're healthy. And I think things happen in the offensive line and stuff. Braden Smith came back. He had like a mental health real issue. He came back in full strength. It was hard to see that coming. He's an older player. The line gelled. But I think the real lesson to me is actually applying Jonathan Taylor to B. John Robinson next year. B. John Robinson, we're debating is you see the first pick in fantasy. But what happens to B. John if Michael Penix gets hurt and there's like a Phil Rivers situation in Atlanta? I think that's the question. Maybe it doesn't matter because B. John's such a good receiver as a running back and better than John. Maybe it doesn't matter. But I think it's more the lesson is it doesn't matter how good someone's doing. And when the quarterback situation just melts, it can go away. Predicting it for a guy outside the top 15, 20 is hard. But that's almost where I'm thinking is like which quarterback situation is most likely to implode of all the top running backs. And I look at that for Devon HN where it's like who's the quarterback in Miami? And I look at that for Bijan. Like what happens if Michael Penix of three ACL injuries has a fourth, which isn't fun. But yeah, it's like there's like two lessons here. There's like one about Jonathan Taylor specifically for his talent, what he's done in the past, relying on him, betting on him. And then also like, was it even possible to know that the Colts would be good? Here's my thing. No, but this is going back to two seconds ago when you like just saying like a reminder of you guys just said like I'll never have A.J. Brown on my team. In a vacuum, A.J. Brown's a top what receiver? Ten. In real life. No, in real life. Ten. Seven. That's my point. yeah fine that's my point though 10 7 7 to 10 7 it's i would say he's a top six top seven guy i think that he's like right you always do the six seven thing six fuck whatever um god i do that's actually it's like a brain worm but my point being that's why i'm saying aj brown's by the dick because everyone's saying everyone's gonna be like fuck that guy and i'm like aj brown might be on a different team next year and then i might change my mind like everyone's saying fuck that guy even this the fuck that guy's season he was a top 12 guy in points because he He had multiple hundred yard games after everyone gave up on him. But he's a real life top seven at his position. Jonathan Taylor is the same thing. He's a real life top seven player at his position. And just never let those guys fall that much. I think to me that's the lesson. It's like when people are still in their prime, details. Don't worry about it. So what's the tattoo? How long is it? Is it a paragraph tattoo explaining what happened? Mind a Jonathan Taylor lesson. Find meaning in this. Yeah, yeah. I think it's something along. This is something along the lines of draft elite players. And then you couldn't have known it was going to be an elite offense. Draft good players and sometimes you get lucky. Yeah. If a guy who was previously considered the best running back in the NFL is still under 27 years old and he's going outside of the top two rounds, draft him. I just think it doesn't have to be a running back thing. I think it's a player thing. And that's why I kind of look at AJ Brown. where was James Cook going last year? Like 30th, 25th. He's another kind of interesting example of this. It's like we were thinking 28th. We were thinking he would be the, the touchdown regression would immediately go back to almost nothing. And then he just led the NFL at touchdown. You know, that's a, that's a mini tattoo that I ignore touchdown regression predictions. I don't do that. Well, can we do all those players who have the exact, I'm out on stats. No, Craig, can we do this right now? Players that will – people will talk about regression have the exact same thing. Trevor Lawrence will also have nine rushing touchdowns again. Colby Parkinson will also have nine receiving touchdowns again. And then James Cook will basically probably leave the league in rushing and have 16 touchdowns again. Devontae Adams will have 14 touchdowns again receiving for sure. Because you know why? You know what the only thing everybody who analyzes the football said last offseason? The only thing all fans and all analysts said, well, Sam Darnold won't win 14 games again. I think everybody said that sentence at some point. Yeah. So actually, that's a little mini. I'm going to do that below my left eye. Ignore regression. Bet on the outliers. While we're on the Jonathan Taylor thing, though, and just the whole like what's the lesson from this. i think craig you mentioned injuries it's like stafford and mcafree and like just i think yeah that's another situation where like what are what are we what's the takeaway here midway through the season i i kind of i i wrote down the tattoo the potential tattoo of like so if it's august in the injury situation situation sounds dire or they're coming off something bad and you're worried about it do you just ignore it if the guy's really talented and in a great situation like with McVeigh or with Shanahan. And you know what? I don't think so. I think they were outliers, and you should still not go after guys who have injuries that sound really bad, to be honest. This is good. This is good because my natural inclination, Craig, is to stick my head in the sand and be like, no, no, no, no, no. He's going to be fine. It'll be fine. Don't worry. Basically, my whole philosophy with injuries is like he'll be fine and then most of the time it's not fine. So this is actually a good – this is a great rule, especially because Matt Stafford just won the MVP. I mean, Stafford won the MVP and McCaffrey won the fantasy MVP effectively. And yet, I don't know. If Derrick Henry is 35 years old and is coming off bilateral Achilles tendonitis, I probably won't draft him, and I think that's okay. I think it's the problem is like you don't want to – You can't pretend to know too much about any injury, but I think the Stafford McCaffrey thing is they were chronic injuries that were being managed. The McCaffrey thing, the reason I was so hard on me, I, I, you know, blind squirrels. But the reason I think I was so aggressive that McCaffrey should probably be the number one pick or just be a top, top five pick. You should take him was that I think the part everyone had like over or under thought was that he got a year off. Like he barely played. Like he didn't take all these other hits, like all these other things, like his whole, like the Niners were treating him. like he's fully healthy it wasn't like the year before where the Niners were like yeah we're worried he's not practicing the Niners were like we're giving him a totally full workload the Niners were not worried about it we were worried about it because you know we worried about the previous season so I think that it's like sometimes you don't know sometimes there's a Bucky Irving situation where you're like I don't even know if the team was fully aware of what was going on with Bucky Irving the first 40 hours after that happened um but the truth is we'll never know And so if anything, I think maybe my lesson is people probably don't know what's going on. And so just lean away and you'll probably be right. I still think one of the most memorable and like truthfully, when I think of this season in five years, it's going to be that day that Chris McCaffrey was on the injury part in the preseason with a heel injury. We were like, no. The first game of the – it was the Thursday of week one. It was J.L. Carter spit on Dak Prescott and then McCaffrey. Heifetz was like Michael Skye. He's like, I'm going to kill myself. that's the best oh that was funny i think that truthfully is like one of the most memorable moments of this last year in fantasy i was dude fantasy is ridiculous because in the ringer league i managed to get mccaffrey and jonathan taylor and i still didn't make the final it's just like jesus i yeah the team that won and the team that got last in the same record by 90 points in the semis because mallory had because bill cut matt stafford and mallory added him and she had Stafford and Puka and they had 80 points together and it was on Thursday and I lost. I'm like, you know what? This game's stupid. That should be a tattoo. This game's stupid. It's all stupid. Life is pain. Find a new hobby? The tattoo should say, don't make fantasy football your only hobby. That's actually really smart. Yeah. Oh my god. Anything, any other Polaroids you guys have? I think I'm willing to make it an official tattoo that you should beware of the team that just lost their awesome play caller. I think there were three big examples last year. Tampa Bay, Detroit, and Philly. Two out of the three of those paid off. The Lions were actually, even though their season didn't pan out, from a fantasy perspective, it still kind of was okay. Amon Roe was still really good. Jameer Gibbs is still good. Goff was fine. But the Bucs were very messy, and the Eagles obviously were an absolute disaster. And so this year going in, DK, we can talk about this all offseason, but Seattle Seattle's losing Clint Kubiak. Miami lost Mike McDaniel. And don't have a quarterback. And don't have a quarterback. So I do actually really, if you know that a play caller is that good and they leave, I do think that should affect your opinion of these players' standings in fantasy. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think one player I'm going to be. Devon Achan will be a really interesting conversation this year. 100%. Because he was, you know, I don't think Mike McDaniel made him, But he was definitely a product of Mike McDaniel really having a ton of conviction that he's a good player and fits in his offense. He catches so many passes in that offense. And I personally think running back receptions are very correlated strongly to what type of quarterback you have and how willing that quarterback is to rip it downfield or drop it off to a running back. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, that's going to be interesting with A-chan. And I think Seattle is another great example, Craig. And this is one reason I'm like, I honestly, I'm not sure what to do with JSN next year. I still think he's an elite player, a great player. But, you know, in an offense that's not being run by Clint Kubiak, it's hard to know exactly how high you should be ranking him. Like, I think he's one player who's probably going to see statistical fall off next year. Especially if they re-sign Shahid. If Cup comes back, there's going to be more, you know, AJ Barner's on the rise. Elijah Arroyo didn't really even play that much as a rookie. They're going to be more. I think there's going to be more skill players involved in the passing game this year than we saw early on in the season. So he's a really tough one. I think that's a really good call. I had one that I just thought of that is not fleshed out, but I just want to throw it by you guys. And maybe this is already sort of established, but just looking at the tight ends, the old axiom that young tight ends can't produce in fantasy, it just feels dead. It's not a thing anymore. It's dead. I think that's an excellent call. Axiom or Axiom? Axiom. Axiom, my bad. But yeah, I think Harold Fannin this year coming in and doing what he did was so incredible. Obviously, Brock Bowers, Trey McBride, he didn't do anything until his second year, but Tyler Warren was very useful. Colston Loveland is freaking awesome For the best 12 rookie fantasy seasons ever Last like three seasons I think this is a great point So I think, and then Ronda Gadsden What he did for a hot minute during the season Was incredible It doesn't take as long as it used to To get these tight ends Integrated into these offenses I don't know if the lesson is necessarily This isn't like a great I don't think Kenyon City coming into this rookie class He might land somewhere cool but it's not going to be like a superstar studded tight end class necessarily. But I just think overall that old sort of thought is dead now. Tight end though this season, it'll be – we've done this for three years now. It's tight end deep. But it's like you have Trey McBride and Brock Bowers. Then it's like the way Colston Loveland played down the stretch in the playoffs. What do you have? Like 112 yards? He had like some all-time tight end games late in the season. Tucker Craft, I don't know where he goes, but he was the number one guy towards ACL. Then you have like Tyler Warren. It's like a fifth tight end. You have Harold Fannin who had – I mean he was – he's basically the number one receiver on the Browns. Sam LaBorda is like the seventh or eighth tight end, like Dalton Kincaid. Kyle Pitts, who I can't even wait to – He's basically a rookie. Yeah, no. He's like 21 years old. It's like Jason Tatum. Yeah, no. Forever young. Tight end is probably the most interesting it's been. Of all these tattoos, what do you think is the one that will be most widespread adopted and then will actually go the other way? Like, is everyone going to say Stafford and McCaffrey, we worried about their injuries. And then so don't worry about it. And then we have to worry. You're like, what are the rules where we have to zag? Because everyone's going to do it versus the rules that no one's going to agree with us on. Like, no one's going to be like, I like these players. Don't like, like take them. Part of me thinks the age thing. I think that's the one that everyone's going to be like, oh, we don't want old players. Probably. Yeah. Do you think everyone's going to agree that quarterback is super deep now and late round quarterback is back? Yes. I absolutely think everyone will agree on that. Yeah. So maybe we pivot away from that. We're like, actually, just take Lamar. It's just Josh Allen and Lamar. Just take Josh and Lamar. Is Jaden Daniels going to be one of the better buy-the-dip players? I mean, he's – Oh, yeah. It not a big it probably not going to be a super big dip because people still know he awesome But I mean he violates two rules If the coordinator situation and offense is like completely unknown the play caller thing in Washington And there's a little desperation of Dan Quinn. I think Washington missing the playoffs might get fired as head coach, but Jaden's like talented. He's done it. You're like, he's a lot of conflicting rules. Yeah. That could be an episode we do in August. Players who are on both sides, like players that rules violate. Yeah. That violate multiple rules or whatever. Yeah. Hierarchy. Okay. Anything else you guys want to do with tattoos, Polaroids, or anything? And then just we'll hit a couple things to get out of here. I'm excited to revisit these in the summer. Yeah, it's fun. And again, for those – we are going to open this up like a little time capsule in July and August. And we cover – we help you draft your teams in July and August three, four times a week. And then four times a week during the season. And so we're still going all offseason, trades, free agency, everything. So the draft. Danny Kelly, our draft expert here. Hell yeah. I'm working on the draft guide. NFLDraft.TheRearer.com. That stuff is all coming. We'll be at the comment in a couple weeks. Before we get out of here, I wanted to say, DK, right before the show, you texted us. Did you guys know that Miles Garrett was dating Chloe Kim? I did not. I was vaguely aware of it, but I didn't read into it. I do know that she is 5'3". I looked that up. That's a big height disparity. But they're very cute. There were some videos that came out this week. Maybe they were out earlier, but I saw them this week of him going over and talking to her during games and stuff. A very cute relationship. i and she's in the olympics now yeah we came sick he's in italy watching her i also i we got a lot of emails about well we could just do this now this is actually a decent bridge we started talking about sean white being cool for snowboarding and then i got a good email from people who's saying sean white snowboarders hate sean white oh um which i can get into that if you want but then we had somehow in the last episode not one but two arguments about patrick mahomes that were totally we bookended the show with arguments about patrick in a year where he was the least relevant he's ever been and a lot of these talk shows on cable tv will do anything to fake an argument and invent an argument mahomes we somehow organically disagreed twice the we have a consensus a bizarre consensus in the email today on a lot of things i won the first argument about the chiefs probably about 60 to 40 and i lost the second argument on the chiefs about 95 to 5 so the first argument was people are we thought the chiefs have a better chance of going to the super bowl than the Ravens for next season people pretty firmly that one winning winning the Super Bowl I think 90 10 in response but it wasn't that passionate I would say people were with me that the Ravens are more likely I would say 90 10 people agreed with you guys that Mahomes is not cool but the fervor honestly was the part that upset me was the disappointment people were like disappointed that I could possibly think he's he's cool blind he doesn't even know what's cool I could count on one hand the number of your tone deaf and cool deaf yeah i i don't think six people weighed in saying mahomes is cool and um i i i don't know what happened i'm ashamed but i you gotta trust my cool dar i did i just took a shot cool and i instantly realized craig's cool dar that's a good we should do that off-season segment cool dar um yeah i think we should it would be actually a fun show just to talk just to rank people and coolness because it's such a it is a subjective thing sort of but not the funniest was people emailing in earlier being like heifetz you were right about the ravens thing they're crazy and then replying like 40 minutes later when they got to it what the fuck are you talking about are you kidding and then like like on the same thread following following up hold up hold up hold up circling back on i get so many of those texts where i'm like someone's like oh you guys got to talk about this and then later in the show they're like oh sorry i just caught up you did talk about if it was like boxing it was like we split the rounds but you guys had a 10-8 round i do that all the time with liz i'm like liz do you know where my phone is i can't i found it it's so embarrassing hold on because i do unless it's like something that we would don't want to dig into what is the sean white thing i'm actually oh no it's fine here i'll pull it up so the snowboarders don't think he's cool no it was it was actually very eye opening and i this one i don't feel bad about is it like he let me just guess he he thinks he's cooler than he actually is um skateboarder snowboarder plays in a band starting trying to be an actor beyond that this is from sam s bone sammy this is again me saying sean white was cool and he's i said he was cooler than phelps and sam said as a snowboarder and snowboarding fan i have to let you know that among many professionals and fans sean white is considered super lame during several competitions he's boot grabbed which means you're supposed to grab the snowboard not your boot i guess it's easier and including his 100 score x games run and his gold medal run in the 2018 olympics he basically they're saying he didn't get penalized for boot grabbing because he's famous so people like he get like he gets reffed differently they're saying people are bitter about it he said those instances alone would make it sound like i'm just hating but worst of all it does i can't prove anything about i know but sam says sean white doesn't care about snowboarding or its culture they say again i can't vet any of this he says he refuses to let other riders uses corporate sponsor built half pipes he treats competitors like enemies he views the sport like a job where he just wants to win it's not really like a camaraderie i can see this i can see this 100 he's kind of like a uh yeah corporate i guess is the right word he's a corporate snowboarder snowboarding the the ethos of snowboarding is a little bit like punk music where it's counterculture it's counter um it's punk establishment yeah and it's and craig mentioned this and i agree 100 with you craig on this your point was i think snowboarding in general is just a style sport the way that you do tricks is arguably just as important as as if you could actually do the trick you know what i mean the style and grace and coolness that you can do a trick is just as important whether you can fucking land it or not um skateboarding is kind of similar to that but um i can totally see that because i i did feel that way too he was in like every competition he was like the face of the x games he like it did feel a little bit like he was getting away from sort of the heart of the sport um that being said like obviously fucking really good at it um you know and he was i think the other thing that i've always thought about sean white is he's like really good at multiple sports he's a good skater good good snowboarder good musician i want to say he didn't surf too maybe but yeah i wonder if there's a tinge of jealousy in there because he basically figured out how to break through the mold and become like a global superstar in his sport and no one else has really figured out how to do that so that's the thing is regular people see snowboarding like for example he said sam wrote at the end if you want some examples of stylish and culture forward snowboarders i'd recommend zeb powell torstein horgmo red gerard and hallador helgaust i've never heard of any of those people well that's the issue with all cultures right you're like the people break through you're like ah and then it's like hey here are these people and you're like i don't know who those people are yeah i mean i get it on both sides like if you're if you're a diehard snowboard snowboarding fan or you snowboard and you follow the sport closely i can see how sean white seems like a corporate sellout yeah you know brand manager but then also he's the only people that like like my mom could probably name who sean white was and you could argue that in that respect he's a massive success and like everybody would do that if they could i don't know yeah i wonder all right before we leave we have to do what all the people want which is we got we asked for teenagers and people in college to email us about clavicular gesture maxing etc did we get anyone who is an actual teenager yes we did nice so so they say this is from anonymous this is from a bone a bone hello unks fuck you guys are unks a bone reds i'm 18 years old i'm a high school senior unks what does that make me gramps yeah you're probably gramps big protein waffles a banana guy for breakfast occasionally some yogurt and granola mixed in nice he says as a high school protein maxing i know protein maxing yeah i feel i'm about as adequately equipped to answer your questions as anyone not that that says that much i can tell you that all the kids who know clavicular or as we call them clav i just thought that was funny put parentheses yeah uh aka clav we know mostly from clips on tiktok like the asu frat leader frame mogging him no one actually watches clavicular streams i'm pretty sure he's the only person in the world who thinks he's the shit so the rest of the world clavicular is just a meme i also don't know anyone that actually bone smashes at least not yet unfortunately though clavicular's lingo is becoming mainstream the other day my friends and i were joking about who frame mogs who and i had no clue what the sentence Craig read men never once have I heard of a moid a foid gesture gooning or smv smv maybe I don't spend enough time on tiktok gooning and maxing however are staples of teenage boy vocabulary yeah but did clavicular come up with those terms or did somebody else I don't know so Samantha emailed in to explain that moids it's not really moids it's that's not or sorry moids and foids foids not a female incel that's a fem cell a foid is just actually a derogatory term for women i think it's just when 15 year old boys don't like a woman she's a void so i think that i don't i still don't really know what moid means fem cell forgot the fat pots oh uh and this one is from this one is from tony at arizona state t-bone oh shit and again this guy was at a fucking he's in the trenches right now he's fucking got his ear to the ground told things just a waste management open at arizona state okay yes we were there it is also properly rated event yeah sure i want to go again yeah i know i was a little jealous to see people there this year i was like people were that is really exactly what you think it is um tony writes with he says my name is tony my breakfast scrambled eggs with toast and a premier protein shake dude the kids love protein protein is protein max protein max did you say that already yeah i did yes tony writes i'm a student at asu i would like to answer the questions presented and give you a little more insight in the situation okay for one bone smashing not a typical practice anymore but some people are actually i know breaking we all quit that better jaw lines not is bone smashing unk now fuck and on craig by the way every time we say bone smashing one of the uh slang terms we use when i was like in high school and college was bone smuggling which is just another way of saying having sex oh goodness you bone smuggling oh god back in my back in your day kids had sex bone smuggling and now it's how we fracture our jaws to get better lines anyway so tony writes some people did actually bone smash a couple years ago when looks maxing was still raw looks maxing for two when i saw that the tweet craig sorry when i saw the tweet craig reference which what was it again oh i mean there's like clavicular getting fray mogged is it better by an asu frat later is that better than it's like chad fishing is that more useful anyway tony writes the only thing i did not know was smv but everything else is pretty normal speak among people my age to be honest i know others who understood this as well i think jester gooning was made up for this post because gooning mid gesture max in public is not ideal for cortisol levels cortisol spiking usually a negative because it kills gains um oh my god i hate this shit foids is a more general term than moids where moids usually just refers to incels shout out i say um munting generally among gen z just another form of gooning but you guys did get mogging correct and chad fishing in the way these terms in this sentence is just acting like a chad in the club not over the phone and lastly this asu frat you know the asu frat leader mogged clavicular is this guy named varus and it's a foreign student here who saw an extreme explosion of popularity around campus and there are posters and people everyone is constantly talking about all this in my classes this week wait so this is tony who goes to asu Tony goes to ASU. I think we should sign Tony to be our Gen Z correspondent. Oh, yeah. And once a month, he gives us a rundown of what's going on with the teens. Oh, 100%. Tony might have to be a Gen Z correspondent. This reminds me. Can I read a tweet? A bunch of people tagged me on this on Twitter, and we're asking for a translation, essentially. So, Craig, maybe you can do this this time, since I'm obviously way too out of the game for this shit. But this one is pretty, pretty good here. Okay, ready? This is from Kickflips on Twitter. Clavicular ran into ASU's top frat leader while jester maxing with gym cells and instantly clocked peak cope. The frat fraud leader went full UV dodge maxing and weight cope maxing, inflating fake stats to protect frame after being skullmogged, while clav deep locked in nuked cortisol stabilized aura and dodged irreversible PSL bleed by a millimeter. I think I got 80% of that. This is long. Yeah. This is really long. First off, let me just pick out a few things here. Jester maxing, I feel like we know what that is. Sure. Gym cell. That feels pretty obvious. Instantly clocked peak cope. Like somebody's defending themselves because they realize that they're losing. They're inferior. They're coping. Yeah, coping. The frat fraud leader went full UV dodge maxing and weight cope maxing. This feels like the bad buddy halftime show where I have to take a B in the Kwondo. That's when. I know that one. Inflating fake stats to protect frame after being skullmogged. What's skullmogged? Just like your skull is smaller? Is that like your face is hotter? I don't know. Yeah, I think it's smogging. this is uh like you have a better jawline like your skull is literally more defined maybe i feel like it's probably a better jawline better face shape well clav deep locked in nuked cortisol stabilized aura and dodged irreversible psl bleed by a millimeter irreversible psl bleed irreversible psl bleed what is psl other than pumpkin spice latte. I love stabilized aura. Well, on that note, I'm apologizing off the bat if some of this is really cancelable type stuff, because I don't know what any of that means. I also think people are now leaning in and just coming up with shit. I think you're getting... I don't think those terms are real. Probably not. You should send Trump that tweet. Scholars maintain. I don't understand what any of these guys are saying. No one knows what they're saying. No one knows what these guys are saying. If a rapper just read that on stage, it's in English. But would Trump be happy about that? I don't know. We should literally just cop, quote, tweet that and just be like the Trump tweet. But it's for the frame mogging. No one understands what this guy is saying. Oh, my God. All right. Let's get out of here. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you. carlos thank you austin thank you cam thank you abu thank you everyone for listening emails at ringer fantasy football gmail.com olympic send us i want to know i have a new question i want to know the olympic sport that would take you the longest to get a medal in like edge of tomorrow style like every single day you wait like maybe it could go 10 000 years i want to know the one that you think would take the longest to get a medal in um i think it's ski jumping the guy hardest who's the guy who ran the six minute mile on skis uphill i don't take that that like but it's funny to think about it because then you watch like the guys doing that guy's aerobic how long would it take me to run a six minute mile uphill on my feet oh wow that one though in the snow that one though i feel like i could do before the ski jumping where they are jumping they are doing seven spins in the air what's the event that lindsey vond was doing when she got hurt i could never do that one yeah you're going 80 miles an hour i want to do the hard did you see i don't know if this was at this olympics or if it was a replay from a previous olympics but there was a guy who lost his ski going around one of those turns. You know, he's going 100 miles an hour. He walked back up. And then he landed it and somehow managed to kind of like salvage it and keep going. And the announcer like truly had a heart attack. He was like, yeah, and then he's going to go around. Oh, my God. And like kind of like, dude, he's like, oh, he landed it. The announcers are funny. The top tier of Olympic winter events that I could never do is pretty wide, dude. I mean, all the skiing, right, the high jump or whatever that's called for skiing, the thing that lindsey vaughn got injured in dude figure skating competitive figure skating people doing flips crazy the guy who did the flip and landed on one skate i would never ever in my entire life be able to do that it was also so funny because the announcers are incredible because the announcers are like you are i'm watching people i'm like this is the most amazing thing i've ever seen the announcers like oh too bad messed up in the very beginning so the whole thing doesn't matter now and they'll have to take it easy and then they do like fifth six it's like college football if you lose one game it's fucking over jack it's literally like that like jackie and i we were watching the uh male figure skating which we had the lizan al gaib guy the guy who did the dune we have the american who's like the quad god from virginia and oh you know the quad god oh dude look up the quad god routine it's amazing and well there's more other guy has to go like between the guy who gets second and first and the guy in the middle the announcer's like see the difference between him and the top tier he's got all the he's got the moves but there's no artistry there's no spectacle i mean really it's like watching like cold butter on toast you know it's like it's like they're just like oh yeah he's got no moves i'm like this guy i could never do what this man is doing is quad god the guy who did the backflip and landed on one skate that is the quad god god and they were like and here he goes for the backflip triple double axle and he did it i'm like that was the hardest thing i've ever seen anyone do i like heifetz brought up It's like Edge of Tomorrow. It's like I would need to have regenerative powers. A million years. I'm going to die every time I try. I could do it eventually, I think, 4,000 to 7,000 years. Yeah. But he could build fucking Stonehenge in 100 years. I would put Stonehenge before I could do that. Lock that in. I have a question for you guys. Did you see this story? Sorry, I didn't run this by you before. Did you see the story about the ski jumpers and the sizes of their crotch? oh they're injecting their penises yeah I did see this so last Olympics last summer Olympics we had the high jump pole jump guy whose dick hit the bar what's the opposite of a pyrrhic victory like that loss must have gotten him so much crotch maxing because that is fucking amazing that is what's happening now the greatest loss of all time he literally like bulge mogged you can see his like fucking dick at the pole anyway uh this is apparently the world anti-doping agency was looking into this per report i don't know if it's actually real or not but that this ski jumpers were manipulating the like fabric area of their crotchal region so in other words they were crotch maxing and why or girth maxing because if you if you have more fat they they like closely monitor the amount of fabric that you have in your crotch or region because otherwise you turn into like a wing essentially and you have a little more it's like the the old like swimming stuff with the suits it's like aerodynamic wind resistance and it just it's something about it keeps you it just makes you skeet you get a longer jump if you get a little more resistance I don't understand what the cheating is They're stuffing their pants They're putting They're putting Like a Dirk Diggler in there No it's not just that They're injecting stuff into their dicks Oh that's right It's not like they just stuff something down So it's not a fabric thing you just need more weight Oh fuck I just typed eject dick Without any more context Work computer This is a real thing yeah there was something it was they were injecting their dicks with something to uh make the surface area and improve and then therefore the the wind would catch your crotch region and allow you this is like the level of competition you see in the olympics it's insane um even if they if they don't allow this i would love to see a separate competition where they they do allow it just to see how ridiculous it gets it's like from basketball it's like armageddon It's like, do we teach the guys with giant dicks how to ski or do we inject the skiers with giant dicks? The American Olympic Committee is just looking for the biggest dicks out there? Yeah. God. Go talk to Chris Jones. Remember when he was running the 40? Yeah. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, the Chainsmokers. they were a big deal yeah they were they were a big deal yeah they are up there with i i think the best jobs in the world okay explain they are two buddies i actually don't even are they related i don't two brothers or friends i'm not sure what i think they're friends they brothers i don't know who just travel the world and hit play they they make music and they're good at it and they know it works and i'm sure they spend a lot of time figuring it out in their studio but man they hit play and and they were they were young when they got popular they were just like going to colleges and just like partying and and traveling the world and they have a vegas residencies and i'm just like this is just the coolest job in the world once you make the album you don't even have to sing it like like Ariana Grande has got to go sing the songs on stage and travel the world they just have like a stage presence yeah I mean they do a lot of work to make it but once you do they tour it around like it's a movie it's like if we if it's like if we recorded a podcast and then went and did a live show and then just played the podcast correct it's like if we made 10 podcasts and then toured those those 10 episodes for three years can you imagine if we just went And then we do So You New, and people were like, play the old one! DJ Booth, and we're like, okay, here's the Take Purge from 2024. They're not brothers. So, yeah, Drew Taggart and Alex Paul, good for you. Well done. Yeah, I would kill them. They're only 36. Life-maxing, Craig. Life-maxing. Life-maxing. Crotch-mogging. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you.