When the Forest Turned Hostile | Mt. Hood

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, we've got the privilege of having Mr. Gary Allen back on the show. We've had Gary on the show recently. Two times he's been sharing multiple things that have happened around Oregon for him, specifically in the Mount Hood, Lolo Pass area. and with the Bigfoot Research Project is where you can find the videos that he might be referring to, and that's on YouTube. So welcome back to the show, Gary. How are you doing today, sir? Doing well, doing well. Thank you. Awesome. Trying to think, last time we talked, we had some, you shared some really interesting things. I want to say it was around 2022 you were referring to, and there was the individual that was in the tent and there's a Bigfoot that was smelling her hair and it got very, very intense. It was so weird. And she screamed at the top of her lungs and nobody heard her. That was just odd. I don't understand it. Absolutely. We ended last episode with we still have some things to hear. You're saying we have stuff from 2023 through 2025 and maybe some other things depending on where we go in this episode. But, you know, Gary, I want to make sure we make the best use of our time today. So you're welcome to take us back to where you'd like to pick up with your encounters. Okay, thank you. First of all, I apologize if my voice is a little gravelly today. I'm just getting over a cold and, um, but this is the only time I, and day I could do this. So here we go. Um, just one other thing. If I look down, I'm, I am looking at it, it, I'm looking at notes, but they're high points. It's not like a story I'm reading or anything like that. All of this is from memory and, um, mine's, uh, pretty good. Um, you know, if I had just gone off the 2019 sighting, you know, where I was watching one for eight minutes. And, and if that was the only thing that happened, you know, I wouldn't need notes. It's just, we've had so much activity and I'm just talking about the sightings when I'm talking with you, but I've seen rocks thrown that are the size of bowling balls and hit trees that are, you know, 150 feet up in the air and break limbs all the way down and, and just continuous bombardment of little pebbles and, and, um, you know, heard voices, heard all kinds of things that I'll touch a little bit on with these sightings, but, um, there's just so much more than just the siding up there. Um, and we, we don't see them every time we go out. It was just, that's, that's not the gig. Uh, we go on rides. Uh, we ride about four or five times a week here at our, out of our ranch, got a small 32 acre tree farm ranch here. And here over in the coast range, about 30 miles Southwest of Portland, our property butts right up against the Stimson timber property, which is 77,000 acres. And Stimson gives us permission to ride our horses back in there. Very few people have permission to go in there, but we, we have it. Um, also, uh, that, that 77,000 acres at the summit, um, touches up against 350,000 acres of Telemoc forest. So basically as a crow flies from my house, it's 20 miles to the ocean. And, uh, you can ride a horse from my house to the beach. Um, it's, it's possible to go up over the range and come back down. And once you get to the top of the range, you can see the ocean. All that being said, you know, I spoke about multiple sightings up to this point, you know, one actually down the road at the entrance to the lake on the highway that goes between Force Grove and Gaston, one up at Northrop Creek, and then the 2019 and 2020 up at Lolo Pass. um we we we don't just encounter them uh up at low low pass we encounter them pretty much everywhere we go um just not every time i mean it's like one out of 10 rides we'll we'll have something happen um my my belief is that you know they have to be in the area that you're in and then they have to be attracted to you for some reason you know whatever it is you do if you're walking around you know stealthy and camo they probably aren't going to know you're there and, you know, or they'll know you're there and just leave you alone. Um, we do the opposite of that. We're riding a horse and a bike and I got bright yellow shirt on and we're laughing and having fun and, um, you know, making fun noises, uh, while we ride up the trail, it keeps the horse aware that when I'm out in front of it and I go around a corner, uh, when it comes around the corner, it's not startled, uh, because it hears me and cause we're constantly making noises back and forth. And, um, you know, we do whoops and, and mainly we make, uh, uh, the, the caca, um, back and forth. And on my videos, you'll see me do that quite a bit. Um, it's to keep the horse settled. The horse is used to that. So if you look at my videos and you see that, and I know a lot of people say, Oh, that's just stupid, but, um, I don't care. It's keeping our horse safe. So, um, the thing about endurance horses is, uh, their Arabs are really flighty, really touchy. And the slightest thing can set them off. So we have to be real careful, you know, when we're up there in the mountains, which I'll get to in, uh, here in a bit about, uh, the sighting that stopped us from going up to low, low pass anymore. So, um, at least up this one trail, but anyways, uh, let's, uh, we'll get to 2023. I left off in 2022. Um, in 2023, um, we, again, we have a tree farm and we harvested uh 77 truckloads of trees off of it um you know they're 120 150 feet tall anyways we harvested all these trees we're opening up and doing a replant and um opening up some acreage for uh some other stuff we're planting because we are farm and um and area for the horses so one of the areas we cleared is next to our house and i can see it out my kitchen window it's about 16 acres of hillside and it's pretty steep. As I look out the window, the hill, the hill goes at an angle to me, you know, 30 degree or whatever. It's pretty steep, but it's really rugged. There's no trails, nothing up there yet. We're going to put some in, but right now there's just fallen trees and brush that's about, about three to four feet tall with blackberries in it. You're not, you, it's nothing you want to run through. It'd be, be detrimental to a person, you know, or your clothing to try and, and, and running up that deep of a hill is not really a great thing anyway. So what I'm getting at is June of 23, I was making coffee in my kitchen and we've lived in this house since 20, I want to say 2020. So we've lived here three years and we harvested the wood the second year. So this is the first full year of having the trees on that side of the property, mostly harvested. We left quite a bit, but it's pretty clear over there. So anyways, uh, sun's just coming up. I always wake up before daylight and I was making coffee and the sun's just coming up. So there's enough light that like if a deer or something was running up that hill, I could see, Oh, that's a deer. You know, if, um, you know, a bird flies by or whatever over there, you know, an Eagle, cause we got quite a few of those up here. Um, I I'd see that that's, you know, that's what it was. I can make out, you know, pretty good. It had enough light I could see. And here's what I saw. I noticed some movement across the hill and I saw two figures. So the hill's like this. I saw two figures running up the hill. What really drew my attention is how fast they were moving up the hill. Deer are fast and they can, you know, they bound uphill pretty darn fast. These were moving about twice as fast as any deer I've ever seen go up that hill and deer go up and down that hill daily. We see them all the time. Don't really see deer run up that hill though, but these two things were. So they're just one right behind the other running up the hill. I'd say probably three times bigger than a black bear. And they were moving so fast. I mean, their legs were like a blur of movement, but they were just racing up the hill. They, they made that hill from bottom to top and it's a, it's several hundred feet. Um, I'd say probably in about five or six seconds. I mean, it was just like stupid fast. Um, if, if a deer were to go up that hill would take it probably about twice as long. Um, and that that's what was drawing my attention is these things are just moving fast. Um, they're jet black and no ears, no snout, wasn't, wasn't a bear, no snout. Um, couldn't make out features again. Um, just, just, I could see their heads. I could see their bodies and their, their, their shoulders and their side was above the three foot brush, um, by about two feet when they ran. And I could see the length of their body. They were pretty, I mean, they were big. I mean, they were, it looked like if our horses were trying to go up through that but but so much faster and and um you know didn't look like horses but anyways uh they were huge two of them running up the hill so i saw that and i just kind of stunned for a second i'm thinking wow um you know there's there i've heard a few tree knocks out here and i've heard uh Gary, are you there? hello are we back hey gary that was weird man um so i don't know what happened there and we're still recording by the way um my whole computer just locked up i had to reboot sorry we haven't really broached weird stuff on this yet um but like uh weird stuff happens sometimes and um so when you were telling your story i this is i saw across the room what looked like a little a little tiny something moving like a little ball of of light or something it was weird dude i don't know um sometimes this um this subject just creeps me out and i'm wondering what am i doing man yeah am i you know i sometimes i feel way over my head and um you know it's supposed to be a fun hobby and i think i'm um i think i'm poking the bear a little too much here sometimes but or the Bigfoot for whatever you want to term there. Oh, I agree with you, man. I mean, I feel the same way sometimes. So the last thing I heard was you had heard there were like two or three knocks. Oh, yeah. Over the couple years before that that we've lived here, we're heavily wooded right up to the house. I mean, you couldn't throw a rock 20 feet out. It'd hit a tree. and um and there would be knocks um like 100 feet down below um and i've had people that were staying with this because people bring their horse trailers and campers up and they ride with us and stuff um they would say they woke up in the morning and they thought somebody was knocking on their back door or something so the knocks were so loud but they opened the door and then they heard the knocks down below it was just so loud that it woke them up but but i i i've only heard it once in a while like in the in summer i'll hear a couple but um the some of the odd things are are mainly the owl noises that we hear are just a little off not not quite the borrows owl you know who cooks for you they'll be slightly off or drug out and i've heard that before up at up at Lolo pass and over at Northrop Creek and Rears camp and a couple of other places. But, um, so anyways, uh, yeah, so these things are, are, are ran up the hill, like stupid fast, like crazy fast. And, and I, I'm, so I'm looking around for tracks and stuff. I, I find cougar tracks. I find bear tracks. We have a bear that lives at the pond down below us. And, uh, she has cubs like every other year or so. And we see her once in a while way down on the outskirts of our tree line. Really not afraid of bears much, not afraid of cougars much. They stay away. And now we have livestock guardian dogs that keep them even further away. So that's not really a thing. Anyways, that was pretty much that 2023 around the house thing. We've heard voices at night before, like saying like a single word out, out in our back 40 where there's no people and, uh, so many blackberries you wouldn't want to walk through there. I mean, it'd be just dangerous. Um, and, uh, that's, it was a human voice though, saying like one word, you know, um, it was just strange, but anyways, uh, so, so after that sighting, um, that was in June and July, um my birthday month we go my girlfriend asked me every year what would you like for your birthday and every year I tell her well I'd like to go back up and you know train the horses at Lolo Pass because it's just it's beautiful up there the Sandys right there and it's just gorgeous and every year she says okay and I think she's crazy for doing that but uh she's she's pretty fearless at least she was um so in 23 we went back up and uh we unloaded on a Friday we we um We ride out, we're just going to go to the three rivers and back and it's a couple miles out. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. 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And, um, we invited Tom Powell, Joe Bielart, and some other friends up and Tom rode the small bike with me. Um, until he couldn't, then I switched bikes with them. But we rode to the three rivers and back and, and on the way there, didn't, didn't see anything. Nothing of consequence come back. Then I'm right out with the horse and we go to the rivers and back, just warming the horse up. And nothing strange. I mean, it's a little quiet, but just nothing strange. so um we decided well we're going to ride the two bikes again because we had a couple hours before before twilight ride the two bikes again and this is where it got weird so we're riding up this trail and we get we get you know a ways out there to where that meadow is you know two miles out or whatever. And, and, and the trail is, is the horse trail is flat and the sides of it are up. It's dirt has been packed down over time in the middle of the trail. So the sides of the trail are about a foot tall. Some places they're two to three feet tall, or it'll be level ground, but the brush right there or rocks right there will be one to three feet tall. And for, for quite a distance in several spots. It's almost not flat off to the sides of the trail anywhere on that trail. But we're riding, we ride past the first half of the meadow and then come up to a tree branch that's been laid across the trail. The branch is, I don't know, three, four inches around, You can ask Tom. Anyways, and about eight feet long and it's pretty well stripped of anything, but it's right across the trail. And because the trail sits down in the scully, it's sitting about a foot or, you know, foot and a half off the ground. So I can't ride a bike through, have to stop, have to move the branch. Right. So we go about another hundred feet and there's another one. We go another hundred feet and there's another one. There are a total, I think, four or five of these. And so it was just strange because we had just been through there like a half hour before. And if anybody was in that area, there's only one trail in there. There's no two trails and there's nowhere else to walk through the thick brush. You would have to go by us either on the way in or on the way out on between these two runs. And so whatever did that was there and stayed there in the time loop that we were gone and came back. So Tom and I think, well, shoot, you know, they looks like they like sticks. So let's build them a structure. So down by the river, we built a lean to kind of teepee thing and made it about, I'd say about seven or eight foot tall. And there are all kinds of branches. We lean together and we put some branches through sideways. and I had some apples with me and I put some apples on it and had a bag of salmon and I put the salmon on it and in the bag though. And, uh, and it was all good food. Uh, the salmon was real tasty, smoked salmon. And I think I had two bags of salmon. So I put two bags up and I put some, uh, some cookies. I brought some Oreos. So I put all that in this, this lean to. And, um, so we, I took a couple of pictures of it and we rode back, rode back to camp. And, uh, so a couple hours later we get ready for the twilight ride. And, uh, this is, this is where we have our sighting. So, so we go out, we go out past the meadow, nothing, three rivers. Um, everything seems fine. Um, horse is just moving right through it. And this time we have, uh, We're riding Marcus, and this was the last year that Marcus could be ridden. He had a disease in his hooves, so this was his last time out there. I miss him. I miss beast mode. But anyways, so we cross the rivers, and we go up. We're going up the backside of, I call it Skookum Ridge. um skookum ridge is uh it's about a gosh four or five thousand foot um rise off the floor of of up from where those three rivers are and it's all switchbacks it's just really steep trails real narrow for most of it some places it spreads out but for the most part it's it's you know foot wide and if you for the most part the drop off is on the right side it switches back and forth a little. But if you drop off that hill, you're going to fall a couple hundred feet before you hit your first tree. And it's like, it looks like about that. I mean, it's just steep as hell. You wouldn't want to fall. It'd be bad. And the uphill side is about the same. So you're almost rubbing your elbow in parts going up this hill. So anyways, we head up the hill. and as soon as we get across the three rivers, we start hearing something parallel on us. You can hear it once in a while breaking a branch. It sounds like stomping down below us. So we're going up the ridge. It sounds like it passed us and got ahead of us and is coming around in front of us and we're kind of coming up this way and it came around. um so then we're hearing something above us um on the ridge and these little tiny pebbles start flying down and and they're hitting my front wheel so they're timing it because i'm going up a pretty steep ridge i'm doing about eight miles an hour on my bike and they're timing it just right to hit my spokes as i going up this hill and these and they keep hitting it too man they hit it like four or five times in a row And I I have it all on camera All of this is on GoPro So, so I'm getting these pebbles, you know, I'm telling my girlfriend who's ahead of me, I'm getting these pebbles thrown at my front wheel, you know, and, uh, and we're kind of laughing about it, you know, and I'm wearing a fluorescent yellow shirt and, and, uh, we're making racket and laughing and stuff, just trying to have a good time. And, uh, we know that attracts them. So we're doing it on purpose and, uh, we're going up the trail and I'm making, uh, our, our fake bird calls all the way up, uh, to let the horse know I'm either behind it or in front of it. So it's not scared, uh, when I come around a corner, but, um, so anyways, we get, we get further up the trail and there's these really weird structures. I mean, there's tree branches or not tree benches, but trees stacked in different types of pyramid type structures. Not really something that, you know, you would sleep under type thing, but more of an ambush kind of site for something coming up the trail. You know, if a deer is coming up the trail and you're sitting behind that, it may not see you. So anyways, we're seeing those that were going, okay, this is this is getting weird because those weren't there last time so we keep we keep going up the trail because i mean we go up this trail every year so we're going up going up the trail a little bit further and uh we're at this time we're probably about it's seven miles up to the top and and um we're about five miles up and there's this there's the trail comes up up a hill to a to an outcrop you know from the side it would look like this and the outcrop um almost goes over the trail and It's just, it's like, I don't know, 50 feet tall or more. And again, I have all this on camera and on video. So we come up around this corner and there's a switchback right before this big outcrop starts. And it's probably, I don't know, 200 feet long, about anywhere from 50 to 75 feet tall. So the horse just stops. and this horse i've i've never seen it stop we've had sightings on that horse and it and it just keeps moving it doesn't lock up um it locked up and locked up hard and i have it on video it's just staring straight ahead and it it's not going forward and she she tried and tried to get it to go forward and it would not and we're not seeing anything up the trail so i i i catch up a little bit closer to her. I don't want to get too close because the horse is probably going to have to maneuver and spin around. The horse is here. The outcrop is here and the horse is just in front of it. And the ridge next to the outcrop is steep. And instead of wanting to go forward, the horse jumps up on the hill there and spins around, starts walking up it and turns around and just comes downhill. It won't go any further. And, um, again, never seen it do that before. So I'm thinking there's probably a cougar up, up ahead or something. It's not a bear because, uh, he's not afraid of bears. I, he chases bears off. Um, I've seen him do it, but, um, there must be a cougar in there. That's the only thing I can think that would stop him. And, uh, so I write up there and I got my video going and, um, there's, I can't see anything. So, and it's, it's light enough, you know, that, that my camera, if there's anything there, it probably picked it up, but, uh, I've not seen it with my eyes. So the horse has turned around and it's, it's not staying there. It's, it's, it's made up. It's mine. It's leaving. And the, you know, my girlfriend can't stop it, it wants to go. So it's going. So I'm looking out and I can see across the, the canyon right there. I can see, I can see down this canyon. It's probably, I don't know, 4,000 feet to the bottom. And then I can see this other ridge across from me that is probably, I don't know, five, six, 6,000 feet. So I'm looking over at it and I'm thinking, well, um, right now is as good a time is to temp fate as any. And I got, you know, the big footers back at camp and I'm trying to lure these things down so they can see them. So I decided to make some noise. So, um, I have the ability to whistle extremely loud. If you're within 10 feet of me, uh, it'll hurt your ears. So anyways, I do a couple of whistles across that Canyon, knowing that there's still something right there, probably close to me. And, um, you know, no reply, no nothing. Um, don't hear anything. And the horse is starting to get away from me. He's getting pretty far downhill. And so I turn and, and I start heading downhill a little bit. Well, I come to a spot, maybe, I don't know, a couple hundred feet down from that where I could see across the canyon again. because there's an opening in the trees on the lower hillside. And the trees are, you know, 100, 150 feet tall. So to get an opening, and only the tops of the trees are at my height, but there's a little bit of an opening there. And I stopped for a second because I have to cool my brakes. I have to cool my brakes about every couple thousand feet because the hill is so steep, it heats them up. And I'll burn them out and have no brakes if I don't do that. So I carry a water bottle and I douse the brakes. And I hear what sounds like somebody took a one-ton Ford pickup truck and shoved it off the top of the hill on the far side. And now it's going down through the trees. Just, I don't know, maybe a bulldozer would be more of an accurate. But whatever it is, is giant. It's making so much racket that across this canyon, I can hear it going down the hill on the far side. right directly towards me down the hill. And then it starts coming up my side of the hill and I could hear it coming up my side. And I thought, well, if it was a boulder, it would have stopped at the bottom. Now it's coming up my side and I'm up, you know, four or 5,000 feet up. And it, it starts coming up. Like it got to about 1000 feet and I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm out of here. So I roll down the hill. I get caught up to where the horse is. She tells me that she's freaking out. She says, right as I caught her, it goes from really steep to kind of semi-steep in spots, then really steep. Well, she came into a semi-steep area, and the trees are real thick on the right side, but not so thick on the left. And it's, you know, of course a drop-off. She said, uh, something came out of the trees. Oh, well, something, a Bigfoot came out of the trees and was running, uh, like at an angle in front of her, crossed the trail and then jumped off the cliff, went downhill, made a big rock slide noise. And, and then every, all the noise just stopped. And she said the horse stopped. It was just tripping. It didn't like that at all. and uh and when i got there um i had to go first after that because the horse will follow me on my bike uh because we train together and uh all of our horses feel really safe around me um for some reason anyways uh so we so i get i'm in front of it and i'm just thinking well crap but i you know i have a point where it went down and i can see i can see slide marks on the side of the hill where something slid. I was starting to get dark. It was twilight. This isn't broad daylight. It's, it's starting to get fairly dark and we still have, you know, like three miles to go before we hit the three rivers. And then it's, you know, a couple back to camp. And, um, so, so we're going down the hill and I have to stop to cool my brakes off or else they're destroyed and, you know, I have to put new brakes on, which I don't bring with me. And, um, so, so the horse finally starts to feel comfortable again. Um, like a mile down, mile and a half down. Um, I can still hear something parallel on us off to the left, but it's way down the hill now. And, um, so we're starting to feel a little bit, you know, a little bit better. And, um, so we get down to one of two landings that's on, on this hill. There's, I call them a landing, but it's, it's where, uh, the timber company, you know, a hundred years ago, cut a trail up around this, this hill, you know, like it five miles up. And I think it's six miles up, something like that. Anyways, give or take. So anyways, we come to one of those, um, I call it a landing and my brakes, I can smell them. I mean, they're, they're just so hot and, um, I put water on it instantly vaporizes. And again, I have all of this is on camera. I got my GoPro rolling. And I think I put a fresh battery in it right then. I usually have 45 minutes per battery in 4K. And so I put a fresh battery in it and everything was working fine. And meanwhile, while I'm sitting still, these rocks are flying, little pebbles are flying and hitting the brush. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles. Designer, marketer, logistics manager. All while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at Shopify.nl. That's Shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. I know that you want to listen to your podcast, so I'll keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a durore choices, can ASR maybe help? Well, I think, how then? Well, for example, when you're doing something that's your favorite, you're loving to be. Will you know more about the instructions where a durore schadetherexthel is? Go to asr.nl slash duurzamekeuzes. This does ASR for you and a durore family. ASR does it. So, then can you now listen to your podcast. just 20 feet from me and i can see it ripping through the leaves of of the brush and i'm going honey look they're tossing pebbles at us again and she goes well we should go so um horse is pretty spooked but he's calmed down quite a bit and so um and again i have i have this on camera you can see the rocks hitting and hitting the brush and stuff um so so we we we come the rest of the way down this hill and you know it's switched back after switch back and there's some straightaways but it's steep i stop a few more times still hearing movement but it seems like it's further off so we get down to the first of the three rivers that we have to cross and uh there's a rock, uh, face that's, uh, on a less than a hundred feet away. And it's probably 75 feet tall. And, um, she crossed the water. I'm, I'm in the middle of it. And then we hear, uh, whoop from the top of the outcrop. So it was within a hundred feet watching this. And I look up And, you know, I got, I got the camera cause it's on my, I wear it on my hat. I'm looking up and the camera might've caught it, but I didn't see anything. So, so I'm, you know, I got to pay attention to what I'm doing and I may or may not have dropped my bike. I can't remember. I drop it all the time and things just clumsy, but you know, and it weighs 110 pounds. So, um, it's a big fat tire bar with one horse motor, electric motor and a big battery. So, so anyways, um, I'm trying to keep moving though. you know, we want to get out of there. Um, obviously they, they're either just messing with us just to see what our reaction is, or they want us out of there either way we're leaving. So, so we, uh, crossed the three rivers and, um, the, the, the last one, the one closest to camp is the deepest and, uh, and the widest and just get across that. And, uh, now the meadow where we have all these sightings will shortly be on our left. There's a ton of skunk cabbage right in there. But to our right, here, a tree get pushed over. Boom. And it was, it was close enough that we could feel it. Felt it through the ground. And I'm thinking, I just got that on camera. No, I checked. I'm looking at my camera when I got back to camp and my batteries died. so I just put them in like 20 minutes before that you know half hour tops and they should have gone for 40 nope dead as a door now and and it was dead uh I think before the whoop um it died right before before that water crossing which sucks and then um and I have a rear camera off the back of my bike that I point uphill I think that one was still running I I'll have to check, but I think it died at the point where the tree crashed. So, um, so both cameras dead, both had good batteries, can't explain it. Um, so anyways, uh, so, so we get back to camp, it's pitch black. Um, I'm talking with the guys and I'm telling them what happened. And, and one of the guys has a theory that when the trees get pushed over, it's a noise that, uh, that Bigfoot can make. Somehow it, it mocks the tree cracking, breaking, and falling. And I heard it crack, break, and fall. And I'm like, I don't, I don't know about that, you know? And he's, well, it's in another dimension sometimes or whatever. And I'm, well, I haven't seen other dimensions. I haven't, you know, the, the whole Wu thing, I'm not, I don't really don't care one way or another on it. I, I, I, I just haven't witnessed anything like that. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You know, there's a lot of things I haven't seen, you know, I haven't seen a SpaceX rocket launch in person. It doesn't mean they're not there. So, um, so anyways, uh, and my girlfriend, uh, she gets feelings that, uh, around animals and stuff, uh, and around these things too. She gets, she gets feelings that, I mean, I can, I can talk about in a different video, but, um, so anyways, we, we get back to camp and we're talking about that and i'm like no i felt it hit the ground you know and and i could see a bunch of brush moving around when it crashed and it was it was you know 100 feet away when it hit and it's really thick trees through there and tons of brush that's like you know five to ten feet tall in spots but i saw all that move around like something just hit right there and it was so close i mean we got we got out and uh um you know i probably should wear microphones or something when I go up there. So you can at least get the sound off of this stuff. And maybe that's, I'll write that down. That's something I can do. But, um, so anyways, so we get back to camp. Oh, by the way, we go by the teepee that Tom and I built earlier and it's still there. So hadn't been touched apples, nothing. Um, so the next morning, uh, my, my girlfriend goes out and, um, that night, one of the guys said, Hey, you want to go back down there? And it's dark now. And I'm like, Oh, I'm now it pushed the tree over. I think it made his intentions known. I think I'm good. I don't want a tree pushed over on me. And that one was pretty close. I, I'm good. You know, you go ahead though here. You can borrow my yellow shirt. They're like, no, no, no. So, so anyways, next day, my girlfriend and some of the girls from camp decide they're going to go down to the river, just walk the horses because horses just love being walked. And they walk out there and that teepee that we made was gone. It wasn't smashed the ground. It wasn't torn apart like an animal would tear apart for food. It was gone, like completely gone. Like no sign of it gone. Apples, uh, the bag, the, the salmon pieces, the two bags salmon was in all of it gone. And, and so she told me that and, and, uh, she took pictures and you can see it's not there anymore. Um, not just it's gone. Um, so later in the afternoon, I got, got my, um, my, I don't know what my, my mojo back. And I decided, okay, well, I'm going to go down there and just look at it where I'm just going to where the TP, I'm not crossing the fricking river anymore. Not, not on that trip. So, so I, uh, I go back and I look and I found a couple of the sticks, but they were thrown in like opposite directions. and I found, I think I found three of the 10 and, and they were, I don't know, 30, 40 feet away from where that was. So if it was a bear knocking it over, it would have just tore shit, you know, tore stuff up right there. It wouldn't have, you know, took a one limb over here, another limb over there, one here, one there. It wouldn't have scattered things to the four winds. And I'm pretty sure the baggies would be somewhere close by. Um, but, but the apples, not a sign of the apples. And I had, I think I had like three or four on there. Um, I had these little, little plastic horses that I bought. I bought a bag of like 200 of them. They're different colors. And I had those on it. Those were even gone. Um, so they took the toys and, uh, you know, maybe a crow would do that. I don't know. You know, maybe a bear got, I'm trying to think of what, you know, what could have happened but i'm pretty sure a bear wouldn't want a plastic toy and um so so anyways um so so that happened and uh that that was the end of uh 23 and and we come back home um any questions on 23 i'll tell 24 if yeah real quick um this is this is up on your youtube channel like that whole journey right in 20 um it may be some of it maybe i i have all this video on on on a hard drive and and um my more more recent rides are on this laptop i just bought um at christmas it's got 64 gig and it's it's i built it to be able to load stuff up so it will be on my youtube channel and you know the next month or two i'll i'll put all these up and and one thing about my videos too is is i'm i'm basically just trying to show the raw footage i'm i'm i'm not there to pick certain parts out or anything i just i just show the whole thing and people say oh well i saw shadows here i see something there in the background they'll see stuff that you know i haven't really sat down and and looked through each piece by piece um i'm i'm i'm not i'm not in this to to be world renowned and i'm not in it to um you know obviously make money or else I'd have everything up and, and, you know, be dialed in. Right. Um, some of my videos have had three quarter of a million hits though. And, and, and, and, and it's, and it's just, again, raw footage. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm not, I'm not talking about much that, that, you know, Hey, I was here a couple of years ago and I saw this. It's, it's actual live footage of me going up in this happening. Um, so it's, it's, um, at times again i wonder what i'm doing um sometimes i'm i'm you know just the fear is just almost overwhelming and you know i i don't know maybe that's it maybe it's the adrenaline from doing all this but i think uh after 2024 i think it's kind of stupid to go up there anymore but um at least up the back side we still go up the front it's less dangerous but um let me get to um what i call the odyssey too so so um in in 2019 i called it the odyssey because you know we spent like four or five hours going up and down skookum ridge and the second half you know coming down um you know we were harassed and and had multiple sightings my girlfriend saw four of them. Well, five of them counting the one we saw together. And, um, you know, it was just crazy up there, everything that was happening. So I call that one an odyssey more so than, than just a trek, you know, where we're, where we're, we're having a sighting. Um, but in 2024, we had another odyssey. This one, um, this one's scary. My girlfriend will never go up that trail again because of what happened. And I don't blame her. She, she almost died. So, um, so, so here's, here's what happened on that one. In 2024, uh, we go back again, birthday weekend in July. And, um, you know, we set up our corrals and, and, uh, our friends are coming in, uh, within hours of that, um, uh, Joe B. Larton and, um, my, my friend John and, and, and, and invited a couple other people. One of the engineers from work that I work with, um, uh, wanted to come up. And so we invited a few people up. Um, but we got there, uh, about, I'd say probably two hours before anybody else did. And we have this, uh, we have this brand new, um, horse trailer. It's just, it's amazing. It's got a, like a, like a, I want to say a 12 foot slide out and, and, you know, 18 foot living quarters with giant over a hitch bed. And, you know, it's the things it's like being in a hotel. It's just amazing. And three horse in the back. And so anyways, we pull it and we set it in place. And while I'm outside leveling it and getting, I got a standby generator so we can charge our batteries before dark and stuff. While I'm out taking care of stuff, I hear about 200 feet back in the tree line, um, a child talking and it's, it's moving. So as I faced the tree line and I'm back at my trailer, as I faced the tree line, it's moving, um, through the trees. Um, I would have to be jogging to move at the rate it was moving through the trees, but it was talking. Um, I heard it talk for, I don't know, probably a minute or two. and it had the high-pitched child voice crystal clear couldn't understand a word um don't know what language never heard it before you know wasn't asian wasn't arabic wasn't wasn't this that or the other thing and um you know wasn't like i mean maybe a cross between asian and native american if it was anything but it was a small child and no other voices just this one and it moved across at a speed that, I mean, I'd have to jog to carry that much speed through the trees. And I thought, okay, well, I kept listening. I'm waiting for an adult to reply back to the kid or something. And the area we're at, there's no humans for a couple of miles. We're the only ones in there. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. 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Well, a couple of trails that dissect it right in half in a couple of spots, but nothing that goes in the direction that the voice was going. Nothing. So it was just really strange. So that started the Odyssey, too. So, I'm going to look down, and again, so much happened. I took notes at the time, so I'm just going to take a look. So, this year, we're riding a different horse. We have two, and we've been racing the two together, and they won first place in the Northwest in 2019 out of 400 horses. We're serious about endurance riding. um it's it's it's a hobby and we go that's why we go in the forest you know pretty much every weekend and on weekdays we ride out in the forest from our house so uh which is in the forest so anyways um we took our second horse up her name's bella um bella's bella's pretty amazing she's fairly fearless but she gets spooked easy sometimes so anyways um we we decide we're going to do a Friday twilight ride and, and we go to the three rivers and she's been across it several times. She's been up the hill too. She, she knows the game. She knows what we're up to. She knows we're training. We're, we're, we're doing this. So we get her to the three rivers and, and she won't even put a foot in the first, first bit of water. She's staring straight across at a group of trees that are right there. And they have brush that goes up about five feet tall into them. And there's other trees. I mean, the whole bank is trees, but this is a real thick patch. So she's staring at that and she won't move. She's just kind of frozen for a bit. And then she starts dinking around a little bit. She won't move forward. Can't get her to go forward. And so I catch up and I ask, what's up? And horse won't go forward. Gonna have to turn around. okay so you know it's a couple miles back to camp and and uh we decide well hey um we can't go up this back trail up skookum ridge let's let's let's go up the front trail you know it's a lot wider especially at the base um and uh there's a lot less activity that happens up that side a lot less but it still happens. So we, we start, we, we pass through camp. We tell people what we're doing and we head up, we head up this other trail. So we're, we're heading up the trail and it's starting to get into switchback after switchback. We came off, off the kind of flat lands. It kind of has a dip and then it goes, it starts going up, you know, the multiple ridges up here. But there's switchback after switchback. We start heading up that and we're probably, i don't know probably a mile mile and a half up up it away from camp and and um start hearing um owl noises you know whoo whoo but they're they're up the hill and they're actually moving towards us as we as we keep going uphill it's like on a like it's coming right at us as we go switch back after switchback. Well, it's kind of coming down towards us and it gets louder and louder. And then instead of like a whole different noise, but louder kind of, kind of off owl, um, just not right. And it keeps getting closer. And now it's within a couple hundred feet of us. It came off of a, you know, 2000 foot Ridge, um, that's right before the, the big, the big Ridge. And it came off of that. And, uh, the horse just slammed on its brakes and it would not move forward, um, going up that Ridge and not only would not go forward, but it started kicking a little bit. It got upset and spun around and started heading, heading downhill. And I mean, there's no stopping it. It's, it's leaving. And she's trying to pull it, rain it in and get it to, you know, slow down, behave, runs by me. I'm off to the side. I move off to the side of the trox. I saw what was happening and it runs by me. And again, I, I have all of this on camera, but, um, so the owl's still going up above me. It's just making strange noises and I'm kind of looking around and I'm seeing just odd trees falling in spots that I I'm seeing the top of a tree but I don't see the bottom of it and and like it was broke off or something and and then placed there from nowhere close by because I couldn't find the bottom of it so I'm looking around I'm starting to get the creeps and I'm and the owl noise is getting louder it's getting closer and I start to go down the hill. So we make it to the bottom of the hill and you can still hear the owls coming behind us down this ridge. You can still hear it coming in and it's now half the distance from camp from where we were up the hill and you can hear it in camp. um those voices don't carry that far but you could hear it and it went on for an hour or so right from that same spot um so so that was that was friday night and uh you know we we have uh we put up game cams i put them around the horses mainly because they uh it game cans tend to repel these things. And so I want my horses to be safe. And so we put those up, you know, I can't wait up all night with them and protect them. So, um, so I put these cameras out. Well, the girlfriend from, you know, two years before came up with this, the one that had her hair smelled and she will no longer sleep in a tent. Um, she had her SUV and, and had a bed in the back and, um, told her about, you know, what happened with the horse. And she goes, should I just leave? and we're going, you know, you're going to be safe in your car, but, um, let me, I told her, let me put a game cam right in front of the car that shines all, you know, so I could see all around it with that game cam and they'll leave, they'll leave you alone. And, uh, and, and they did, they, they left her alone. Um, didn't leave us alone, but they left her alone and I'll, I'll, I'll get to that. But so, um, so on Saturday, everybody was interested in seeing, you know, hey, maybe there's some signs up there, you know, so John and the engineer, myself, the girlfriend, my girlfriend, just a bunch of us walk up that front side trail, and it's, you know, broad daylight, probably one or two in the afternoon, beautiful summer day, and it's, again, old growth, thickest, trees are really big and thick, and I absolutely dropped gorgeous out there it's like it's what you people think of when they think of oregon just green and lush and beautiful so we're walking walking back up this hillside and not quite as intimidating in the daylight so uh um pretty fun we're walking up and we see these odd trees we're trying to figure out and i got it on camera trying to figure out well where did this one come from where did that one come from because they're broke off and you know the wind probably snapped them off who knows but they're not where they should have fell. They're, you know, a hundred feet up the hill or whatever. So, so we're, we're laughing about it and everything. And, um, we get about a mile up, maybe a mile and a half about to the point where we turned around the night before and everybody decides, well, Hey, let's go back to camp and eat lunch. Cause we hadn't eaten yet. So the mob heads down the hill with the horse, we're walking a horse with us and, and, uh, one or I think, yeah, I think we just had, had Bill at that time. So they're walking off down the hill and I stay behind and I'm on my, I'm on my bike. I'm, I'm just hanging out and I let them get a good 15 minute headstart. And I just sat there and just listened and the trees are the winds slightly blowing through the trees and stuff. Well, on that side of the hill, you got a whole different canyon that goes across and, and you can see North and there's a, there's a big valley and there's this river that passes through it that eventually joins into the sandy, but, um, huge Valley. I mean, it's, I don't know, a mile across or more, and there's a ridge on the far side that's, um, not real tall. It's probably, you know, 3000 feet tall. Um, I'm, I'm about at the height that it's at, um, on, on the hillside here on this thing. Um, when I first heard it and, And what I heard was I heard a tree pushed over and then it sounded like it rolled all the way down the hill through trees and brush. And again, that bulldozer sound of something just going and, you know, bulldozer going and over and down a hill is what it sounds like. Just crash, boom, crash, crash, crash. And I'm hearing it clear across this valley. And I'm just, oh, crap. I've heard that before. and so it gets down to the bottom uh crosses the river i can't see it of course because it's too thick and it starts heading up the hill towards me and i'm i'm starting to uh get a horrible feeling of you know a little bit of terror which i get around these things i'm not not, not, not an extremely brave person, but I could tolerate quite a bit of stuff to try and, you know, get a goal. And my goal was to get one on, on video. And, um, I'm thinking, no, this thing sounds way too big. I, if, why can't, why can't I see little ones, you know? And, um, and, and it's just crashing up this hill and it's getting closer and closer at the rate it's moving. And it's going to be on top of me probably in, I don't know, three or four minutes. It's, it's, it's, it's moving fast. And, uh, I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm bugging out. I'm done. And all the way up the hill, I brought those little horses I was telling you about. Yeah. I brought, I brought those little horses with me and, and an apple. And I said, an apple down there with a horse in it. And, and I dropped a horse going down the hill every hundred feet or so. Cause I had a big bag of them. um so i'm moving i'm moving down the hill and it changes course on a intersection course to me and it gets it i'm now i'm like a half a mile away from from the flats and the main big fat trail that's really close to comes out on the road right by camp and i'm feeling pretty good about myself because i made pretty good time but this thing had come up and it changed course it was coming right at me. And, uh, and then it just stopped in the tree line, like, uh, I don't know, a couple, a couple hundred feet back, but I could hear it crashing all up to that point. And then it just goes dead silent. Right. So I was tripping out on it getting so close to me that I missed my turn on the trail that goes to the car. So I got to go further through the woods before I hit the next turn that goes to my car. And I'm like, Oh crap. so um nothing happened but um i finally i finally came out you know on the road and was able to get back to our our roadside uh corral setup in our camp site so um so that that that was a pretty interesting um afternoon so now it gets to twilight and uh we're we're all set to go up um you know, for 2019 on, we've been going, and this is 2024, we've been going up this back trail at twilight. And, um, a majority of the time when we come back down, there's activity in and around camp at night. And I'm, you know, I got these pretty famous people with me and I'm, I'm trying to accommodate them, you know, um, and bring something into camp for them if I can, you know, I'm bait basically. And, um, my girlfriend's okay with it. She really, um, up to this point, didn't really fear these things too much. Uh, in though she's seeing, you know, at this point, she had seen like five of them or six of them. And, um, so anyways, uh, you know, I got camera rolling on my hat. I got one rolling on the back of the bike and, uh, we head out and the horses in front of me. We head out and then I get in front of it and we're heading down past the meadow, nothing in the meadow. We get to the rivers, not much at the rivers, just, just quiet. We cross the river and it starts up again. They're tromping in the, in the hillside below us on the right. And we're going up, up these windy trails and it's, you know, steep. And, um, we're seeing something different that we'd never seen before. Um, in a past video, I told you that they had jammed sticks through these stumps that are right next to the trail. I mean, they're actually physically within a foot of the trail, and it's a cliff drop-off right there. And they shoved these sticks into the stumps where I couldn't pull them out. I couldn't work them back and forth and get them out. And they're about that big around. Some of them are 10 foot tall. Some of them are 6 foot tall. Well, it looks like the Forest Service had come through and cut all five of those stumps off. and I have, I have the stumps with the sticks on video and now I have the stumps gone on video. Um, so that wasn't the weird part though. The weird part was this. Apparently the forest service for some reason felt they had the need to put signs up along the side of the trail that said, do not go beyond this point. Um, protected area. Do not go beyond this point. well for five years those haven't been there right so i see one of them and it's it's facing you know right there where you can't miss it they don't want you going up the up this hillside you know where these things are at basically so we come around a corner and there's 40 more of them facing the wrong way jammed into a hillside in this gully that you couldn't walk up it i mean it's way too steep and they're just jam one after another all the way up through this gully facing the wrong way. Some of them are bent a little bit, but every single one of them is facing the wrong way up this goal. And I'm thinking, why would the Forest Service do that? Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. 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So, we can now listen to your podcast. mean they're they're in the freaking ground they put them way in when they shoved them in all the way up this it's a crevice that kind of comes together up the hill and it's i mean it it's it's really steep in there all the way up this and you like i said you couldn't walk up that so i anyways it just defies imagination how they got there so um we're we're going okay well let's let's keep rolling. So we roll up about another couple miles and still hearing something moving below. And then it kind of sounds like it veered off and it headed out. It's not paralleling us anymore. It just goes dead silent. Well, we come up to this, we're coming up this ridge and we're doing switchbacks and steep climbs. And we get up to a switchback and there's a stump right right here that is probably, I don't know, 10, 12 feet tall. I got, I have it on camera. Um, it's about three feet around probably, um, fairly fresh cut on it. Um, it looks like the top broke off of it though. It, I, if I remember right, the top was broke off, but it was fairly flat across the top. Now I may be mistaken. Maybe it was cut. I don't know, but I thought I saw a little, little bit of jagged pieces on it. On top of that is a rock stack, stack of rocks. There's like five or six of them and they go from big to small at the top. And about halfway up from the ground, there's a tree limb, probably about that big around and about, and I think it's about 10 feet long and it shoved right through the side of that tree, right, right dead center across it. I mean, through it and, and it's sticking out the other side. Um, there, there's no explanation for that. I mean, I went up to it, couldn't move it. I mean, there's yeah. Good luck explaining that one. And that wood was not really that rotten on the stump. It was still a fairly solid stump. Uh, so we, we took pictures of it and I got it on video, of course, because I'm running camera and on GoPro and I got it. I think I was running 2K or 4K. But anyways, my girlfriend behind me goes, look at this. And I turn around and there's like 20 or 30. And the more you look, the more you see these little rock piles. And they look just like the big one up on the stump, but they're half that size. And they're up the hillside off the trail on the left and they're some of them are hidden behind the ferns and there's tons of ferns in there and some aren't um just standing at the trail you could probably see 15 or 20 of them but when you look in the ferns there's that many more um all over this corner on this on this turn that goes up this hill and we're just like wow you know the more you look the more you see and we're we're thinking well you know is this a nursery or something where kids were playing and you know somebody dad's showing off or whatever but um we're just wow this is you know got it all on camera again so and a few steel shots but we decided well let's let's keep going up we're losing light and uh it's the sun had gone over the ridge so it's starting to get to that point where you have you know just past the golden hour you probably got about half hour maybe 40 minutes of light left before it gets dark enough. You can barely see the trail or can't see it at all. So, so we still have quite a bit of light left. Um, we think, cause you know, we figured we could be down to the three rivers in about 20 minutes. Um, so we, we head up further up the hill. We get about a half mile above that, that stump and, um, and the hill's really steep in there. it's it's probably almost at a 45 maybe maybe steeper than a 45 and it comes down to the trail the trail's flat and then another 45 off the other side bunch of old growth you know uphill and downhill but the trees are you know 100 feet away from the trail on the downhill side so just the tops of them are kind of level with us um and uh you know and they go up 50 feet above you know where we're at up and anyways um i'm just kind of kind of setting the scene here for this so we come up we come up this trail and it's a straightaway that goes for several hundred feet and and so it's a straightaway and i'm looking up it and i'm out front on my e-bike and we just crossed about a three foot tall log that was crossed later it fell across the path further down i had to lift my bike over it the horse had to step over it and that was that was probably 500 feet below um i'm guessing about 500 feet below uh where we where we were at right here so we we stop or i stop because i'm ahead of me on the on this narrow trail that we're staying on that's it's probably about i don't know a foot wide and then it drops, starts to drop and, and you got your uphill side on this trail. There's about, and I'd have to look at the video. I'm guessing maybe five or six logs laying across it that are, are, some of them are that big around some are that big around and, and maybe a smaller one or two, but they're kind of interlaced with each other. And they're about 10 feet long. Some of them are shorter, but they're all interlaced. So like, if you touch one, the whole thing's going to go down the hill and there's nowhere to put them. So like, if I, if I, if I pull them off, it's going to be, some of them are so heavy. I don't know that I can lift them, but, but there, um, it's going to be hard to set them uphill and not have the rest of them fall off the ridge right there. Cause they're like supporting each other. It was just, it's like a booby trap. It was the strangest thing. Um, so again, I got all this on camera. So I'm, I'm, I'm looking at this and I look back at my girlfriend who comes up behind me on the horse and I tell her, Hey baby, um, this is bad. We can't move forward with these in the trail. I got to move them. And when I move them the way they're intertwined, you know, there's a chance they're going to roll off this Ridge, you know, and I don't want to just roll them off the Ridge because, because if I roll them off the ridge. I'm having a lighting problem, which is weird. This battery should last like 10 hours. Anyways. Um, so I have to, I have to lift them up and set them on the uphill side, straight up and down. So if I put them at an angle, they're just going to roll off. So, um, so I tell her, you know, once you back the horse up a ways and, um, I'm, I'm just afraid these are going to roll. So brace for it. Cause the horse gets startled pretty easy. Right? so i go to move the first the first piece and i just get it up off the others and the whole thing goes off the hill and it makes i mean it sounds like all hell broke loose it sounds like i rolled a toyota pickup truck down the hill i just crash boom and they're going end over end and and just through the brush 100 feet down that starts to slow them down and they just keep going and it made the biggest racket. I mean, if you wanted to make the most racket you can, that's what you would do. So the horse, I'm afraid she's going to get hurt. So I look back at her, and the horse is kind of dancing a little bit, and then it decides it wants to turn around, so it puts a couple feet up on the upper bank and then turns around and starts heading down. She slows the horse and gets it turned around and starts coming back up the trail So at this point she probably 50 feet behind me on the trail and well now the logs are gone So trails open So I get on my bike and I start to head up the trail a little bit So she's, she comes up to about where the logs were and I'm, I'm probably 75 feet out in front of her on a GoPro. It looks like a lot more cause GoPro shoot wide vision. So anyways, it looks like I'm a lot further, but I'm not. And all of a sudden on the hillside above me, like about a hundred, 150 feet up, I hear pop, pop, pop, like a tree breaking. Right. So on the first pop, I look uphill and this is what I see. I see a Bigfoot shoving a tree over and it was probably nine to 10 foot tall, massive, just massive. um some people say you know they look like a bodybuilder they come in at a v this one had a little bit of v to it but i mean it was you know it looked like it was about four feet around and giant giant legs on it and arms huge arms and i watched it go like this this and then shove it and what it did was there was a old snag there um you know snag is a tree that maybe the top broke off and so the bottom kind of rotted up well the snag was i don't know 30 40 feet tall and it broke it off right right at its base and shoved it over it went push push push and i watched it do the the the two pushes before it shoved it and it and it completely broke off and made a pop when it finally broke and, and the tree fell down and, and the tree was pointed right at our horse and it was far enough up the hill. When the tree hit the ground, it kind of bounced and slid, slid down towards the horse. Um, it still stopped maybe 50 feet away, 75 feet away. um i don't know if that was its intention or not but that's what happened and the horse tripped it reared up um my girlfriend almost came off the back of it and went down it reared up again and again i have all this on camera um but i almost watched my girlfriend die right there and uh it was, uh, it was really hard to watch and, uh, freaking light. Um, and so luckily the horse, it, it kept landing on the uphill side of the trail. Thank God it didn't step one step backwards and it would, they would both be dead. And, uh, it would rear up, come down land, rear up, come down land. And it was trying to turn around and point downhill. Once it got pointed downhill, gone. And I'm, I'm just standing there. I'm stunned by what happened. I wasn't like, like terrified, stunned. I was just like, my girlfriend almost died stunned. And then all of a sudden this, the terror comes over me, you know, I'm stuck up here, horse is gone. I'm up, I'm up on this hillside. And what am I doing, man? Why is this worth it? You know, and, and what do I do next? And I thought, well, I brought these apples with me. And I have them, I have them in a front pack, a bag on my bike. And I pulled out an apple and I took one of those toys and I shoved it in the apple and I shoved the apple on a stick that was sticking up. And I started going down the trail, um, a little ways further down. Um, I just dropped an apple on the trail and I dropped a couple of these toys here and there. I was just trying to give them something besides me to focus on. And, uh, I can hear it um when it after it pushed the tree down it turned and went up the hill it went up the opposite direction of where I was at so it was if she's here and it's right above her I was further up the trail over here and so it was up here it walked off that way which would be our downhill above our downhill descent so it went into the trees up there and I mean it's like it just disappeared like in three steps it was gone and um i can hear it moving around up there and it's not happy it's breaking brush and stuff and it's it's walking along that ridge headed downhill and i could tell it's walking because it's not moving that fast but neither is the horse because there's the log laying across the trail a little ways down god my light completely went out how strange. We get down to where this log was across the path. It was, it was, you know, several hundred feet down 500 feet. I don't know. It was a ways down from the mess we just saw. And the horse wouldn't cross the log and that horse never stops at a log, but it didn't want to cross this one. It didn't want to go first. And, you know, down below it's a switch back and I'm hearing noise down below. And my girlfriend's like, you, you, you got to get out ahead. Cause the horse absolutely is not moving forward. It's just sitting there spinning around in front of this big log. And so I carry my bike over the top of the log. I set an apple down uphill and, uh, dropped some toys by the log and the horse came over the top and then down it went. So we're going down the hill and I'm hearing the crashing in the trees above us. Now I'm hearing it below us. And, uh, you know, it's a couple hundred feet down the hill below us, a couple hundred feet up the hill above us. And it's just thick with trees in there. And I mean, you can see on my video what it's like. Um, but we get, uh, we get down to the river. The first of three, I hear, I hear a whoop up above on the rock ledge that's up above the river, up to the right. And we cross the rivers. And then it just goes dead silent. I understand that you want to listen to your podcast, so I'll keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a valuable choice, can ASR maybe help? Now I hear you think, how then? Well, for example, when you're selling your gifts that you love, So, we can now listen to your podcast. on, but I mean, when it goes quiet, it is fricking quiet. And it's almost like you have headphones on too and, and can't hear your own movement, you know, and things around you. It's just strange. So anyways, it was like that all the way back to camp. So we get back to camp and I'm, um, my girlfriends, she, she's like, I'll never go up there again. They, you know, almost killed me this time. So we're not, me and the horse, we're done. No more, no more up that side. She says she'll go up the front side because it feels more friendly when she goes up there. And she, she has these, this, uh, feeling she, she under around animals, horses, different things. Um, she, she can sense, you know, um, if they're happy or not. And she's saying on that backside, there's no happiness at all. So, uh, so she'll do the front still. Um, I just say that cause I'm trying to get you to go up someday with me, but anyways, uh, so, so we get back to camp and, and I'm telling the story about what happened and I'm, um, I'm, uh, I'm discombobulated. I'm, I'm upset. And I'm telling these guys, you know, the things almost killed us. You know, this sucked. I watched it, you know, push this tree over and I, you know, one guy in the group said, Oh, well, they can do that. You know, they can make that noise, you know, with their mouth or whatever. And I'm like, dude, I watched it push the tree over. I saw it do it. This, this ain't a noise out of something's mouth. The tree almost hit my horse and, and he's, well, you know, calm down, calm down. You know, you want to walk back down to the river? No, I don't want to go down to the rivers. No, no. You can wear my shirt here. Here's my shirt. You could be, you can ride my bike, take my shirt. You can be that guy. I'll let you, Oh, I'm not going to do that. I'm like, okay, then I guess, I guess we have an understanding. So anyways, I, uh, I was, I was, uh, I was pretty upset. I was distraught pretty bad. That one, that one, uh, that one made me feel like I was just probably as close to, um, one of these things taken us out as, as, as ever. And I'm not so sure how pleasant these things are anymore. And, um, you know, it just, uh, kind of shook me up really bad. And, and so, uh, that night, uh, our, our friend, uh, my, my friend, John, he has this big, um, gosh i think it's a australian shepherd great great biggest one i've ever seen um she's getting a little bit up in the age though and it was we weren't sure because clouds started coming in we weren't sure if it's gonna be wet or not and so i told them well why don't you sleep under our big awning that you know we have this 30 foot awning that comes off the side of our trailer so why don't you why don't you go ahead and sleep under that and uh that way if it rains you'll be dry and and, uh, and you know, everything will be good. And he says, okay, yeah, that sounds great. So, um, we, we, uh, tire out, you know, we eat food, um, not really hearing any noises around camp that it's just dead silent all the rest of the night. Um, so I, I have, uh, I have this, uh, eye ray. Um, this is a heat vision, a 50 millimeter. This thing, I, I, it, it, at a couple hundred yards, I can tell how many points are on a deer. Uh, it's extremely, extremely great lens. Anyways, I put it on a tripod and I aim it right at our horses. I have yet to play video from that night off of that thing. Um, but we've seen weird things in the past at night that that picks up heat signatures that are just odd. Um, um, and I guess what I'm getting at is I have that pointing out the side that the, that the awnings on, I have it set up on a tripod recessed back in the trailer. so nobody would know it's there it's behind the window but the window's open that night uh we go to sleep wake up the next morning and i go out to unplug the generator and something pissed on the side of our trailer on the opposite side from where my friend was sleeping and i have pictures of it um it's at least a gallon of piss and it it pissed like eight feet the errors where the top marks are but you can see it sprayed in one spot pretty much up and then at niagara down and you can see it was yellow you i mean you can see it was piss but it peed all over the side of the trailer i guess it was showing us you know hey got you while you're sleeping or whatever but um it marked us and uh so so anyways uh so that was the end of 2024 and and the takeaway on 2024 was um now we don't go up that back trail at least she won't with the horse i'm i'm trying to get up if i find somebody that that can first of all hike that far out and then go up the hill um on top of that crossing three rivers i'll i'll take them up there um but i'm not going to go that far up i'll go up a ways but i i just it it creeps me out now uh too much and uh but i'll go up the front side, you know, and if, if somebody else has a e-bike, you know, a, a, a four, you know, a four inch fat tire that can climb like mine does, I'll take them, you know, as far as they want to go. But, um, so, so anyways, the takeaway from that was, uh, these things are not safe anymore. And, um, you really got to watch yourself around them. I, you know, it was a sightseeing thing before it, it kind of isn't that anymore. Now that this happened, we're just in, and maybe, you know, its intention wasn't to have her go off the cliff, but it wasn't smart enough to know that that that would happen if, if its intention was to not do that. Um, and, uh, I, I just, you know, she's not going to risk her life to go up and see these things. So I don't, and I don't blame her, but that been in 2024 real quick. I don't only have a few minutes in 2025. We went back, not much happened. Um, just real quick, uh, in, in 25, this last summer went up, uh, stayed in a different place. Um, I did have another siding, um, went out at twilight on a Friday, uh, riding my bike back. I saw two looking through, um, the brush at the meadow, which I've never seen them do that before. Um, their heads were like the size of watermelons and jet black. And, um, at two in the morning that night, I heard a voice and it sounded just like my friend or John. and I heard John's voice say a sentence crystal clear, just right outside my window of, of our trailer. And, uh, next morning I asked John, Hey, were you messing around at two in the morning? He's like, Oh no, I slept through last night. But, uh, so something mimicked his voice perfectly. I am perfect. And I thought it was John screwing around outside, but it wasn't. So, um, that's what happened in 25. So in 26, we're going back. Um, Joe Bielart will be there, um, inviting Tom pal. He may or may not go depending on what he's up to. Um, always invite Cliff Berrickman. Um, he's, he's kind of an old contact for me. Um, and, uh, and I, I try to try to get new people, but it's hard to find somebody that is open-minded enough to go up, up there to see these things. Um, and you know, it's now I realize it's, it's, it's not a sightseeing tour. It's not a game anymore it's it's you uh you you're on a mission when you're up there and you got to be careful it's um there's no telling what these things will do and like i said i've seen them throw boulders up in trees and do different things push trees over it's uh it's not real safe um i just it not it's like after you have that 2024 situation uh yeah your your entire mindset would have to be different. Um, that it's kind of like, there was a line that was crossed. Uh, you, you just got to be really aware of what could happen. Exactly. Exactly. It tripped me out now. Um, for if you'll have me back one more time, I do, uh, I have some other, uh, uh, scary for the lack of other words, uh, encounters that I know of other people had. I'd love to have you back on. Uh, definitely. Um, The main question I have before we end our time is, if you experienced that in 2024, what's your main goal in going back now? That's a really traumatic experience, almost seeing your girlfriend and her horse pretty much be done on the side of that hill. yeah um i don't know you know i why did i go back after 2019 um it's just there's something about the mystery of these things that i i just uh um you know first of all i like the camaraderie of my friends being with me when i go up there and we we get caught up on current events um you know I know you want to listen to your podcast, so I'll keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a successful choices, can ACER maybe help? I think I'm thinking, how then? For example, when you're making a successful purchase of things that you love, you want to know more about the insurance where a successful schade can be? Go to asr.nl slash duurzamekeuzes. This is ASR for you and a more sustainable community. ASR does it. So, we can now listen to your podcast. it's hands down i was way closer and because it wasn't you know an eight millimeter film it was a pos gopro um it turns out all blobby you know it's just digital sucks but um but i i guess in the end for some reason i want to get video confirmation undeniable video confirmation for me if nothing else and i you know i'm not trying to make a million bucks or nothing i just uh you know i haven't made any money to this point we just race horses and this is a side hobby of us going up there um but uh yeah i guess i just want i just want video um because the engineers i work with uh they're like oh bs bs i'm like really bring your brown pants i'll take you someplace uh i'll take you someplace you've never seen before and uh they're all shucks no So it's such a, it's, it's a wild, wild, like the whole story is incredible. When you, you, you look at the entire thing after hearing all the experiences, it's just such an interesting account. And yeah, Gary, we will, we'll definitely have you back on to, to go over what you've heard from other areas as well. and I'm excited to see what comes out of this area in the future as well. Thank you for hanging out with us one more time, Gary. I do appreciate it. My pleasure. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon, and you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself? Well, guess what? This year, you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous year's reason number one. I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild. I'll probably, I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else because let's just say sometimes it's, well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it at that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oak Ridge woods. 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