439 - Pulgasari (1985)

Hello and welcome to another episode of The Grind Band. I'm Mike Wood. I'm Bobby Trippett. I'm Julie Rose. And I'm Fern. And today we're talking about 1985's Pulgasari. Who do I think I am, you pompous beast? Bow to me! Hey, Bobby, I got the money! Yeah, I need the keys! You're a hooker! Is that goddamn thing you're talking about? I said it, I don't know. Lookie, got, got, got, got the wheel with him. Did you say 1985? Yes, 1985. I would not have expected that from the quality of it. Well, there's a couple reasons for that. This is an interesting episode. It's time to eat metal and crap thunder, friends. Because this one was kind of born out of... I may have accidentally started Grind Bin Book Club. Yeah. And I knew... Well, I can't read, though. I'm not a member. Well, you can listen, so... You can try to listen to the goddamn show, do you? What? But, yeah, I almost didn't want to say the book. Never listen to the show. Listen to audiobooks. That's what you should do. That's what you should do. Go listen to someone read a book. But I almost don't want to say what the book is just yet, because Julie doesn't know the background on this movie yet. I kind of want it to unfold as a surprise. But there is a big reason right up front that I wanted to cover this. I need to get the kaiju crew together. Because we've got to do an annual kaiju movie. Yeah, I heard the call. I heard the call on the wall. I saw the signal in the sky. It was Gamera flying over a sign that said cuties in the queue. We had some cuties in the queue that needed it. And we had to do this one in particular if we were going to do a kaiju movie this year. because I needed to bring a certain person to the grind bin, sure to be a grind bin all-star. Let's get right into that. Actually, before I get right into that, I've got to ask, I already know your answer, Julian, I already know yours, Mike, but Fern, had you already seen Pulgasari prior to us watching it for the show? I had not, actually. Whoa! Yeah, no, this is a movie that I'd always been... This is my mind, Fern. This is a movie that I'd always been meaning to see because it is notorious. The story behind it is famous. And I have actually covered a more folklorically accurate version of Bokasari, the monster in this movie, on the Creature Codex. So if at some point you'd like to tag me in, I can talk about how we got here because this is a story that has been part of Korean culture for, at this point, like 150 years or so. And so this is just one adaptation of the Bulgasari legend. Oh. Well, let me get us up to the point where we're about to make the film, and then I will tag you in to discuss what came before this film. But we've got to get into the history of how this even ended up happening and why. So we've got to start with our producer, Julie. our producer this evening please welcome to the Grime Bin Kim Jong Il I wish your listeners could see the face Julie just made now folks at home a lot can be said about Kim Jong Il but I think above all else the most associated with him is a love of film that's what I think of that's what I think of That's a fact of all his films. I mean, when you go into detail about it, that's probably his defining characteristic to himself. It honestly is. Because the band literally owned maybe every film. Yeah. Like, it's wild to say, but yes. Yeah, so let's talk about that. The son of first North Korean dictator Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, fell in love with cinema as a boy from watching his father's propaganda movies. He said in several interviews that if he hadn't become a dictator he'd have been a film critic or a producer. This was the thing he actually was really passionate about. He had to take over the family business when his father passed. He was like, well, I'm going to have to take over that. But what I really want to be is Roger Ebert. Well, why not you both? And that's exactly what you're saying. Now you're thinking like Kim Jong-il. Yeah. And he, in fact, published two books about film. So if you do a little digging out there, you can find Kim Jong-il on the art of the cinema and Kim Jong-il on the art of opera. Oh, big opera boy. Okay. The opposite of Timothee Chalamet. That's the polar opposite there. Yeah. there's two people in this world did you hear about that Bobby? I didn't no I don't know what the hell you're talking about in a recent interview Timothy Chalamet said that live theater opera etc ballet was all dead and then like paused for a minute and realized that he had just stuck his foot in his mouth in his major way and so like now they're yeah and now they're like opera companies that are offering tickets. Use promo code Timothy with two E's to get 20% off. Kind of a thing. I just love his dedication to just being himself like a total young asshole that loves the Knicks and just is not apologetic about everything. He's like, fuck it. Shoulder deep up his own ass. That's actually the words that he said because the only things that I've seen is headlines that are like, Jimmy Chetly slams opera and it's like it went on a tirade against it. But all it was was, yeah, it's just kind of dead these days. But nine things ever. This is true also. Nobody goes to that shit. When are the last person you know went to an opera? I've been to several. Of course, it's been a long time. Now I know a person. I know people up here that went to an opera and they witnessed a fight in the crowd. Oh, not on the stage? Not on stage, in the crowd. That's awesome. People throwing hands with the opera. People get passionate about opera, obviously. Damn. Not opera, but I went to live theater two days ago. So, yeah, that was the... So I'm still out there. I'm still doing it. I went and saw Six. Which is... Oh, good to see. It was awesome. It was really fantastic. For anyone who doesn't know, Six is... It's done in the style of going to a pop concert. Like, you went and saw the Spice Girls. But the members of the pop band are all of the wives of Henry VIII. And they, in the form of a concert, they argue with each other over who had the shittier life. And it's fucking great, man. It's a really good time. And the songs are fucking bops. Like, they did a really great job with that. So go look that up. It's coming to a town near you. But back on Kim Jong-il, I do want to say, I think it was Bobby, and I'm sure you read it too, that at some point he was exporting every single film that was made every single year in the U.S. to North Korea at some point. He was. Let's talk about that real quick because that's actually the next thing in my notes, Mike. Sorry. No, no, not at all. I should mention Rain When at Home. Fern, have you read the book? before I... I have not read the book. Okay. Well, Mike and I have read the book, A Kim Jong-il Production by Peter Fisher, which goes through... That's where most of our info tonight about the making of this movie and the background on it came from. It's a hell of a read, if anyone gets a chance to pick up a copy of that digitally or physically. Loved it. Couldn't put it down once I picked it up. It was a quick-ass read. And so far, everyone I've... Numerous people have popped up in the Discord and messaged me privately like, I got a copy of the book. So that's why I joke that I accidentally started Grindbin Book Club because a bunch of people are out reading that book and I encourage all of you to do the same. It's so good. It is for free on Spotify. So they have the audiobook on there. Definitely for a list. A Kim Jong Il production. Okay. And it's all about his and the things we're going to touch on tonight. I mean, you hear the story of North Korea, but wouldn't you rather hear it through this lens, through filmmaking, as opposed to the lens of a film lover? Which you would want. You would want, yes. Absolutely. And if we're going to honor him properly on the grind then. And so one of the things he did was, as a youth, He volunteered to get involved with the film department, the cinema department, the propaganda department for North Korea. But one thing he was doing while he was working on that was he secretly enacted Resource Operation No. 100, Resource Operation No. 100, where he utilized multiple agencies within the North Korean government because most films were banned in North Korea. Not shocking to anyone who knows even a little bit about North Korea. But he amassed a collection of nearly 30,000 bootleg tapes and DVDs of movies from around the world. Because he wanted to watch everything. And he had every movie dubbed into Korean by his ambassadors from around the world. They had to go in the booth and record the dub. I love that. I would love for some movies to, like, release that Korean dub, like the Ambassador cut, as a bonus feature. The Ambassador cut, yes! Oh, my God. Release the ambassador cut of each of these movies. I mean, I think what you talk about is, like, there is an archive. Yeah, it's still there. It's just an entire building. Yes. It's like a three-story building. It's manned by a 250-person staff, this library of bootleg movies. Okay, so that's the next. It's believed that he has some lost films. He's the one with the David Light Ride? You know he's got a copy of that. He might even have a copy of Bulgasari 1952. He surely does. I mean, it seems pretty apparent that he does. But yeah, this was a big deal for him. And his favorite movies, as the years went on, they talk about this in the book, his favorites were, he loved the 007 movies. Big fan of James Bond. He was also really into Rambo and Jason Voorhees. Which is why, of course, you feel an affinity for the man. I feel like, you know, were circumstances different in each of our lives, I think I probably would have gone on pretty well with Kim Chugga. I think we have a lot to talk about. I mean, I like that he's a Jason guy, not a Freddy guy. Yeah. Yeah. That Freddy shit, too complicated. He liked the simplicity of Jason. Bobby's a Freddy guy. Kim's a Jason guy. I'm a Chucky guy. You know? Yeah. Like, we don't get along. I'm telling you, there's an alternate universe where he's still around, and we got him on the grind bin. And he was talking about Friday the 13th 5th. I want to know if he was mad that that wasn't these. Oh. Roy's his favorite. Roy's his favorite. No, you guys, don't you guys know he named every prisoner Roy? Because he was so angry. and so that was his favorite movies his least favorite movies were all the bullshit North Korea was putting out in the 60s and 70s he was mad as hell about it this is all propaganda and that was the thing he wanted North Korea to be seen as one of the great film industries of the world you know to stand shoulder to shoulder with the US and Italy and Japan and stuff like that and he's looking so he had to hatch a plan on how to make that happen so let's talk about our director this evening um please welcome the prince of south korean cinema shinsang ok uh he got his start as an assistant production designer on his first post-occupation korean film viva freedom which i assume i got out of the motorcycle yeah the korean evil could evil let's go i would watch the shit And he went on to be the most prolific Korean director, producing and directing 68 films with his wife, which I believe her name is pronounced Shwa. It's G-H-O-I. And Shwa Eun Hee. And she was the most famous Korean actress of the time. They were a power couple. And all the way up until their divorce in 75, where she found out in the papers that he had sired a child with somebody else. what a way to find that out yeah not great but some of his hits some of his big ones The Flower in Hell was one of his big movies the first ones that really also Madam Whitesnake and Thieves in Love and so they they separated they divorced his career kind of dwindled a little bit each of them were trying to find themselves now they were no longer a duo and in 1978 Schwab met with some folks in Hong Kong about an opportunity for her to direct her own movies. And then some dude shoved her in a car with a bag on her head. God damn it. What? Yeah. She, once the bag came off her head, found herself in North Korea. Very aggressive talent scouting in North Korea. Yeah, they don't work around. Kim Jong-un was like, guys, I need you to get me the best actress in Korea. They're like, sure thing, boss, and in she came zip-tied. Are you kidding me? No, I am not. You've got to admire they get shit done over there. They get shit done. Dreams come true. So, Kim Jong-il is excited. He's pleased as fuck. He can't believe what a get. And despite the fact that she is held captive, she cannot leave. He puts her in a gilded cage. You know, he puts her up in, like, an expensive-as-a-state house. Anything she wants. She's treated as his special guest. The only thing that isn't nice is the knowledge that she cannot leave. And Kim's a big fan. He takes her to operas. He takes her to parties. He sets her up with a private tutor to help her learn all the state-sanctioned propaganda about his family. And he's constantly coming around wanting to have serious discussions about film. It's like, imagine, like, oh, I kidnapped Julia Roberts. Let's talk about your career. And she's like, why am I here? You didn't tell me why I'm being held captive. Meanwhile, Shin is desperately searching for his missing ex-wife. He doesn't know what the hell happened to her. Sure, they were on the rocks, but, like, he didn't want her to go missing. And this goes on for six months of him just no idea whatever happened to her. She just vanished. She had a pair of kids back home. It was really like a missing, as if she got abducted by aliens, right? And he follows a lead that takes him to Hong Kong where some dudes abduct him and take him to North Korea. God damn it! Now they can be together, though. Do they get back together? He does not know she's there. This is quite the story. Yeah, okay. Is this like a rival Korean company trying to what's going on? He meets Ken Jong-il as well. Same thing, it's like, you're my favorite director. And he's just died. But he didn't tell him anything about her being here. So now, to top it all off, now I'm being held captive by Ken Jong-il. He's initially given the scar treatment as well. but he keeps trying to escape he's like not fucking having this you know there was a story in the book about him like sneaking into a ventilation duct and hiding in the walls of a place until he was found and of course because he keeps trying to escape that's when we're not giving you the star treatment anymore he starts getting thrown in actual labor camp for disobedience and re-education and it fucking sucks like he is getting beaten and tortured and all the stuff that you expect hunger strikes, illness, the whole nine. This goes on for five fucking years. Of just him being in prison for no reason. Just because he tried to leave. They described the prison as that you had to sit in the same position for I think it was like 12 hours a day and somebody would watch you. If you even so much as twitch when you're in that position, they beat you. And then you got to start a lot of kids. Five years. five years he does this, and he tries to starve himself out, you know, he does all that shit, like, he's doing everything he can to get out of this fucking situation, it's awful, and then eventually, um, you know, he starts to kind of, um, glad hand a little bit, and he starts to come around, you know, so that his treatment gets a little better, and Kim invites him to a party, because Kim kept throwing these, he likes throwing these lavish parties that sometimes broke into full-on orgies, uh, because he's a dictator, he gets what he wants, you know, and she brings him to this big party. Who wouldn't know anything about that in this country? No, no, no, none of this has any parallels. I don't know what you're referring to. But, so he shows up at this party, he's really uncomfortable here, he looks across the room, and to top it off, there's the next one. And it's been five years, truly. And so that's... Jim just made a big show of it at the party to say, like, hey, look at this! They're all together! And he insists on putting them back together because that's the power couple, man. Oh, we got to see you two back together. So he starts putting them up in the same house together and shit. Pretty much making them live like they're married again. And he breaks it down for them. I mean, it's an upgrade for one of them. Look, guys, I want you to revitalize... Right? But he tells them, look, I want you to revitalize the North Korean film industry. I'll give you guys whatever you need. Hell, we can even name the studio Shin Films if you want to. And, uh, Shin's like, well, that sounds okay. That's not bad. You know, like, maybe I can make this work. And, uh, meanwhile, uh, Shua is, um, full-on re-educated at this point. You know, she's, uh, she's making public statements about how she came here on her own free will. You know, that I deserted South Korea. I wasn't abducted. What are you talking about? I love it here. Everyone treats me well. And, um, naturally, you know, Shin is like, what the fuck, man? Like, what happened to her? And, uh, but he doesn't want to get thrown back into labor camp, and he always wanted to make movies, so you know what? Shin Films Presents! He, uh, the two of them work together and go on to make 17 movies for Kim Jong-il. and I got a couple of those written down right here I seem to have not too speechless well yeah do we have does anyone want to add anything is this one of the 17 yes this is one of the 17 this is the last one they made I just noticed I just noticed the horns on your headphones Julie those are so cool I know very stylish it's really great and fitting I thought this was K-pop demon hunters I was very wrong I'm sure I'm sure Bobby will get into it but some of them did make it to festivals like they were actually get a bit movies bear in mind this duo this couple they're legit it's the best director in Korea and the best actress in Korea and so they go on to make a few movies I wrote down a couple of them one of them is called Salt it's about a merchant who gets involved in an illegal salt smuggling operation and ultimately becomes a communist revolutionary. That's pretty great. Another one's called Hong Kill Dong, which is a story about basically a North Korean Robin Hood. Where he robs from the porn gifts to Kim Jong-il, right? Yeah, exactly. Another one, Love, Love, My Love, which is, that featured North Korea's first ever on-screen kiss, so we're starting to break down some barriers here. Oh, and that was one I think they said like, um, women were seeing it like, multiple times in the theater, like, so entranced by it. It was just like, oh, wow. Because there was just literally nothing before it. I was like, oh, shit, we got our first rom-com. I love that. I love love. apparently these movies are very good and they hit the festivals yeah love love my love big hit I think we're going to watch that next week and then the big one this was the pet project for Kim Jong-il because among the 30,000 or so movies he had he had a tape of the return of Godzilla and he thought you know what I want one of those and so So, as Fern was saying, the idea of Pulgasari isn't an original idea. Kim Jong-il's not really like an ideas guy. You know, that's... But, Fern, do you want to break down what this is based on? Okay, so before there was a story, before there was an image, the word Pulgasari was an idiom. It literally means impossible to kill. Or, if you change one of the characters, killed by fire. And so this was an expression that was the equivalent of, like, catch-22. An unwinnable situation is a Bulgasari. That's great. So this was an idiom that was during, like, in the 19th century, as Korea is being pushed and pulled by Japan and China and the West, all these sorts of things. And one of the things that fed into the Bulgasari was the Mo. So the Mo, that is the Chinese word for tapir or panda. Black and white animal, basically. So it was once the panda and then it moved over to a tapir. and a mo in China is kind of the equivalent of a baku in Japan, if you know what that is. It's a monster that, like, eats evil spirits and bad dreams, and so you put pictures of it around your house as, like, a good luck charm. The problem with this, so this animal, this image of sort of a monster taper thing, was common in Korea as well. And then the Chinese started referring to it as Maek, which was the ethnic Koreans named for themselves in China. So they started, so they basically said, you know what, you guys, you aren't even human. They started, they started using this as an ethnic slur to call the Koreans beasts. And so the Koreans were like, okay, we need a new name for this thing. Yeah. And so in the 19th century, there are a number of stories that start to bring the idea that the Bulgasari, the impossible situation creature, is this Mo. It is sort of a taper thing. The story that gets most associated with them is actually a Buddhist story from India about a Buddhist monk who dies in prison because Buddhism is illegal in this kingdom, and he's thrown in jail. And as he's dying, he makes a little statue out of rice, and that is a different name in the original Indian version, but that becomes the Bulgasari. And so this story is associated with, like, in this era, the Joseon dynasty. Towards the end of it, as it's about to, like, being broken down into the Korean Empire of 1897, there were like the aphorism was like the Bulgasari of Goryeo. The Bulgasari of the last kingdom. To correspond like the last time there was a huge regime change was just like this time that we're in right now of this impossible situation. And this impossible situation is embodied by a monster that looks like a taper. But Kim Jong-il doesn't like tapers. He likes bulls. And so he wanted this monster to look like a bull. And so, yeah. I thought it was a monster design, to be fair. The monster design I thought was really kind of cool. Like, of all the kaiju movies that I've seen, I think I really, really liked the design on this one. It's a pretty, oh yeah, it's a great suit. It looks like a cross between, like, an iron minotaur and Benny the Bull. Yeah. The Chicago basketball mascot. Yes, it really does. It's very expressive, too. It's got movement in his face that was happening. Well, that has to do with Return of Godzilla specifically. Like, the movie that came from. Yeah. So, Return of Godzilla was released in this country, released in America, as Godzilla 1985. It is the first movie of the Heisei series, which was a reboot. The idea was like, okay, we're forgetting all the sequels. We were forgetting all the ones where he teamed up with Jet Jaguar, and he fought Mechagodzilla, and he fought the Swag Monster. Godzilla is a great cover, you know, where he fought Hitara. Yeah. Godzilla was, like, the first Godzilla movie is canon. Godzilla shows up in 1954, and then a second Godzilla shows up in 1984, 30 years later. And that is that movie, Return of Godzilla. Unfortunately, it's not a very good movie, but it does have a very nice Godzilla costume. And I'll tell you, Kim Jong-il liked it. He thought it was pretty solid. Because, this is a perfect transition, thank you for him, that he was like, okay, we're making this Pogasari thing. I need you to get me the guys who worked on Return of Godzilla. I have a feeling I know how they're going to get these guys. I can't say it done, Julie. I have a feeling that she wants a black bag and an unmarked band. So let's talk about a couple of those guys. Let's talk about Ken Bichiro Satsuma, who plays Paul Gasari, the full-size kaiju version of Paul Gasari in this. He's a grand bit all-star, uh-oh, because he played Hedera. Oh, okay. Before that, all right. Yeah. Yeah, prior to being in Return of Godzilla. And then also, I want to talk about the other guy that's important to this is Little Man Machan. Little Man Machan, he plays the wee baby Polkasari. Oh, my God, I love baby Polkasari, you guys. Man, he's a Grampin' All-Star. Is he a Grampin' All-Star? I didn't write down what he did that we covered. Because I know that he is famous for playing Minya, the son of Godzilla. Yes. He's the baby Gargantua in War of the Gargantulas. Look at this! Who I know, Mike loved. In those flashbacks scenarios. Oh, I remember every moment of it. Baby Frankenstein. But he was called Little Man Machin because he was a Japanese wrestler. He was the Lord Littlebrook of Japan. You were saying, like, who was that guy? Oh, no, no, no, no. It's all okay. I thought he was going to be that guy that was royalty in that one movie we saw. He was, like, the king of Jupiter or whatever it was. Oh, it took all the Prince of Mars. Yeah, the Prince of Mars. Prince of Mars. King of Jupiter, Prince of Mars. Royalty in space. It's just one of them space kings, you know. I still think about the space king quite often. And so, these two guys get an offer, as well as the effects crew from The Return of Godzilla. They get hired to design the Pulgasari suit and bring it to Hong Kong, where they're going to shoot a movie about this. And it's an overnight flight, you guys. So, go ahead and feel free to take a nap on the plane. Yeah, don't worry about it. A little red eye. That was in another movie that we watched. Which one was it? It was like the Godzilla one that we watched. or like this plane. Yes. You remember it? Where the pilot turned around with a gun. It was just like, yeah, that was good. That was in King Kong Escapes. That's how they got abducted by Doctor Who. No, not that. Where it's just like, hey, these guys aren't Japanese. This is so familiar right now. And that's basically what happened was they went, hey, wait a minute, these guys aren't Japanese. But really, they took a red-eye flight and when they woke up when the plane landed, they were like, ah, shit, we're in North Korea. By the way, this happens all the time. Like, when you read the book. It's a common place. This is a horrible thing. I'm just hitting bullet points. The book gets so much deeper into this stuff. It was a spoiled book. We're talking about kidnapping people, but it's also hilarious because they're kidnapping us to make a kaiju movie. It's so weird. Yeah, that's what makes this book amazing. It was wild. The North Koreans were just taking people off the streets quite often. They'd be like, just grab that family and bring them. And they would just do it. Yeah. The thing about this crew of the guys who worked on The Return Godzilla was they were not treated like prisoners either. It was basically like Kim walked out after they showed up and went, hey, what the fuck, man? He went, alright, look, guys, here's the deal. I just need you to make me this kaiju movie and then I'll send you home. Like, it's not gonna be one of the, I'm not gonna do what you think I'm gonna do, you know, to lock you guys up for nothing. No, I like you guys. I enjoyed that movie. Just make this movie for me and then we're good. And Kim Jong-il was a massive schmoozer. like he loved being he loved you know trying to just flex for people and like be like nah look we're gonna do a cool thing together you and me but some people weren't allowed to leave he was also apparently very funny and self-deprecating yeah that's what I keep saying if it wasn't for that one thing about this guy I think I would have gotten on with him I would love this dude apparently he was like all friendly at parties and he'd just make fun of himself and, you know, just be real open and cool. But, like, if you laugh a little too long at the self-deprecating joke, you'll have to kill. He'll turn and be like, what the fuck, man? But, yeah, a little tense over there. But there's a story, one of the FX guys, one of the production guys, just sort of out loud to no one in particular, muttered after they were sitting there working on stuff for a bit that he missed his favorite Japanese beer. He's just like, you know, yeah, this project's going okay, but, man, I really wish I could have whatever the beer was, you know? Acai. Acai dry. Yeah, an acai dry. God damn what I'd do for an acai dry. But anyway. Man, my mouth is wet for an acai dry, you know? You guys know what I mean? And then he went to bed, and when he woke up, the fridge inside his place that he was staying was stocked with it. That's the kind of situation we found ourselves in. He was like, that was weird. They get it done. Efficiency over in North Korea. What you don't know is that they kidnapped it off of the back of a movie truck. Hey, I didn't ask where it came from. Some acai dry delivery guy got zip-tied and murdered, but, you know, we got you your beer. Look, I mean, just imagine, like, your dreams could come true. You know, Bobby, when you were a little kid, if you met him at the right time, you'd be like, man, I wish the mega powers never broke up. Welcome to North Korea, buddy. And then suddenly, here comes the handshake. Like, we're doing all right. But, like, yeah, so he's treating these guys like Dennis Rodman. And that takes us moving forward to what happens with our couple. they're starting to get in pre-production on this and they're going for walks together, they're starting to kind of become each other's support system just you know, all those years knowing each other, you know forcing them to live together is starting to work the great matchmaker Kim Jong-il but there was only one bed yeah Kim Jong-il's just sitting on the roof of their house Singing love songs. Trying to get them to fall back in love with each other. Singing faithfully. You know what? I'm going to bag and tag Steve Perry to come right here and sing you guys back to go. And so they go on a walk and they get to a spot where no one is observing them. No one is listening in on their conversations. they find some dead zone area where they can speak freely and that's when Chua suddenly turns and goes, okay, so we're going to figure out how to get out of here. And this surprises Shin because he thought she was fully re-educated like she was, you know, drinking the cool date as they say. And he was like, whoa, what the fuck? And she goes, you forget I'm the best actress in Korea. You know, like dumbass, I was never joined up. You know, I just spent five years pretending. And so they start hatching a plan. And what ends up happening, I'll jump to that now before we get into the actual movie itself, is that they end up going to, they end up convincing Kim Jong-il after kissing his ass a bit to let them go to a film festival in Vienna. And Mike, help me out if I'm getting any of this wrong. but they go to a film festival in Vienna and then they end up bribing a driver to take them to the US embassy and it's just the right moment they make a fucking break for it and the way the book lays this out it's like something out of an action movie because like the timing had to be perfect and basically they're hauling ass to like the safe zone before they get caught and because if they get caught they might get killed, you know, and they ultimately end up getting safely to the U.S. Embassy where they're taken in as asylum seekers and end up getting shipped off to the U.S. Obviously, Kim Jong-il is, you know, throwing his hat on the ground, you know, when they get away because my director and my star are gone. And he bans the film. He takes their names off the project. No one's allowed to talk about them anymore. you know that's this film yes Pulgasari and because of that Pulgasari becomes a lost film for a very long time it eventually surfaces because we're watching yeah so when it to cut to when it surfaced it surfaced in Japan in 1998 and I think what it was Let me double check here Little Manny It had it in his bag Like how could it possibly get out Somebody hacked into the system. That was in 1985, so it might have been a thing back then. This was a file breaking into that building. That's what the building was from the 60s. So it was released by Japanese home video distributor Twin. According to its flyer, this was the film's first public distribution in any format. The VHS copy could only be purchased through mail order. It was sort of black market circulated for a couple of years. I understand that conventions are not. you could get. Yeah, and then it got, yeah, it got an official, it got an official release in, it got an official release in 1998. It was, like, actually exported. Like, Kim Jong-il kind of cooled down. Just in time for the American Godzilla movie. Exactly. Just in time for the American Godzilla movie, he's selling this movie in Japan. And it was helped by the fact that, like, the Godzilla series had just, had just been put on ice a couple years prior. The series that started with Return of Godzilla ends in 1995, with Godzilla vs. Destoroyah. Toho kills Godzilla off, and they're like, okay, we are turning the reins over to the Americans. And although the 1998 Godzilla makes a ton of money in Japan, it is widely seen, probably correctly, as something of a cultural insult. and one of the things that people really got up in arms about was the fact that Godzilla was CGI instead of being a man in a suit and so here's this movie this other movie that has a really good man in a suit, Kaiju and he's played by Godzilla himself, Ken Pachiro Satsuma who was the Godzilla in the 80s movies and 90s movies and is saying like yes for the not my Godzilla crowd he rallied around this bootleg of Polgasari. Well, it's not a bootleg for them in Japan. It was released, actually. Yeah. And then something, something, something. There was a new Godzilla movie in 1999 that was produced by the old Japanese studio Toho with a guy in a suit. So, Polgasari... I would argue that it was the existence of Polgasari and the support that it got when it released in Japan is what led to new Godzilla movies being made in Japan. Right. The Millennium Series, which was 1999. It was like, anybody going to say thank you to me? Or not acknowledge? Well, I guess I'll just go fuck myself. Yeah, good one. You're welcome, Japan. Mike, I want to tag you in on this part because I know you loved this. Shin starts working as a producer and behind the scenes on films and whatnot here in the States after they've escaped. you know, he wants to continue his career and he ends up being responsible for something pretty great. Yeah, so Julie, I guarantee you've seen one of his other movies because he is responsible for Three Ninjas. Which one? The Three Ninjas series. Yeah, he created the Three Ninjas series. Oh my God. Wow. Well, I guess you didn't have a child. Well, there's a series of films called Three Ninjas about these boys, Rocky, Colt, and Tum Tum, who are trained in the art of the ninja. It is a trilogy of films. No, no, there's four movies. Excuse me. There's three ninjas. There's three ninjas kickback. Three ninjas, four movies. There's three ninjas knuckle up. Three ninjas, four movies, yeah. And perhaps the greatest achievement. And the best one. The best one of them all, three ninjas high noon at Mega Mountain. Ooh, that sounds like something I would really like. Starring Hulk Hogan and Lonnie Anderson. The three ninjas go up against Hulk Hogan at Mega Mountain. But, yeah. This is great. And, again, with the three ninjas series that so many millennials grew up on, Kim Jong-il gets no thank you for this. You're welcome. Like, excuse me. If it weren't for me, this never would have happened. Yeah. I guess you're all going to say you've never seen Love, Love, My Love, either. too. Fine, I'll just put it back in my library. I guess I'm the only one who gets to enjoy it. Me and Dennis Rodman get to watch it. I heard at one point, Kim Jong-il was watching Pretty Woman, and he just stood up in the theater and said, this is just love, love, my love. I mean, come on. Do I get no recognition anywhere? And you know what? Everyone stood up and clapped when he did it. Yeah. He must have been right. Yeah. And then, Shin's last movie, before he retired, was The Legend of Galgameth, which is an American kid vid remake of Pulgasari. He took a mulligan on Pulgasari. He did. I have not seen that one either. I have not seen that one. Yeah, apparently it is streaming on Amazon Prime. Oh, wow. Yeah, and Doug Jones plays Paul Gazzari in the... Or Galgamath, sorry. Oh, wow. In the... Doug Jones. Mm-hmm. That's awesome. All right, now I have to watch it just to see. But that was a... Oh, and also, worth noting, speaking of love, love, my love, they remarried officially. Oh. They trauma bonded. They did. And they got over a issue. They took them apart for so long. I mean, they did, like, escape. They did a daring escape together. Like, that is pretty, I mean, that's pretty good. Yeah, they stayed married for the rest of their lives. That is such a good movie. Like, to be honest, making a movie about that whole thing. Oh, he tried. He did. I mean, it's gold. I mean, they have both. That's a little far. But they were very old. They were born in the 20s. All this happened when they were both kind of... Their careers had already ended at that point. Much like the equipment used to make Polgasari, Kim Jong-il was a little behind on the times of stuff. Which is why it's a great suit, because it's made by Japanese technicians, but it's filmed on film stock that looks like it's from 1970. And the lighting is terrible. Yeah. It was interesting to note that like before he went to North Korea, his career was really down because it was over. I didn't know this, but I thought this was really interesting. It's like South Korea had like really strict censorship laws and he was always skirting them. and he was getting in all sorts of trouble and he was going bankrupt and like the government was going after him and all sorts of things so it's a it's it's a very interesting book i highly recommend it but there's lots of stuff and that was definitely new to me about that time in south korea and north korea so i can't recommend it fascinating glimpse into it i recommend for that book i did a very abridged version of that because i don't want to spoil everything that gets on in the book, but that was the bullet points of what their story was. I did promise you Pretty Demon Boys. There was a 2022 K-drama called Bulgasal Immortal Souls, in which one of the guys from Squid Games is Bulgasari as a vampire. What? Okay. Oh man, Julie's living. I might check it out maybe. Yeah, I think you have weekend plans now. Julie just grabbed a pillow. And so, why don't we... I mean, we've talked about this a lot, but is this officially the first movie on the Grind Bin that somebody made under imprisonment? Because it feels like a lot have been, but I think this is the first official one. The first official one. The first one actually on the books, made under duress, under threat of death. I feel like everybody probably was, because there's some, like, special effects, and I'm like, I don't think there's special effects. I think that's real flaming balls of fire. I think that guy died. I'm pretty sure those people got really fucked up. I mean, you've got to give this shit your all, because if the producer doesn't like the dailies, you know, that might be your ass. yeah that just totally gives it like a whole new light you gotta do a rewatch now knowing this it makes it a fascinating film we always talk about this on the show but like you know those moments when we say hey guys is anybody having fun we're making a movie here no we're not it sucks boy does it show Well, let's say this movie has zero love in it. I'm sorry. Well, that all went into Love, Love, My Love. Love, Love, Love, My Love. Yeah, they've milked it dry. Let's watch the movie. Let's talk about that. So, first of all, this music is dope. I don't know if I got to, like, I don't know who I got to talk to. This sounds like a Fabio Fritzi soundtrack. This is awesome. I don't know who I got to get in touch with. Do I have to, like, talk to Kim Jong-un and be like, hey, man, do you have, like, a person? Put that on vinyl. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure he's gotten into picture disc vinyls yet. So maybe. Maybe. We'll see. Because, like, let's talk, man. I know a few things. But we start in feudal Korea. Occupied by the evil Japanese. And the blacksmith's daughter, Ami, she's catching a pail of water. While he and the boys are gang-banging the anvil, as they say. getting hammered at the fores with Uncle and the boys hell yeah just swinging a hammer and the old blacksmith goes over to this patch of large leaves large leaves excuse me and he's like guys what the hell is this he moves like one leaf out of the way there's a whole pile of weapons over here it's like I was just holding those for a friend that's what Indy says literally yeah his nephew Indy that's what he says Uncle forgive me man I'm just holding these for something. And I like this, though. The blacksmith's like, yeah, bullshit, kid. I already know you're the leader of the bandits. He calls them a heartless wretch. But then he tempers it a little bit. He goes, hey, relax. I already wanted you to marry my daughter and take over the forge, huh? And, uh, probably a good hiding spot, you know, a pile of leaves, because nobody really wants to fuck with that. You know what I mean? They just, you know, that's none of my business type of thing. If I see a pile of leaves outside, I'm going to be walking as far away from it as I can. A pile of leaves with something obviously under it? Nah, I don't care. I'm not new with me, man. I'm catching a pail of water. That's all I'm worried about. Well, as we're going to see throughout this movie, the sinister occupying government really sucks at their jobs. They're terrible. Oh, they're fools! But they're stylish, though. See, where did you get the idea they're supposed to be Japanese? Yeah, I don't... I'm just basing that off of history. So, this is set a lot longer ago than that. This is... Okay, excuse me. Yeah, this is supposed to be the transition between the Goryeo and Joseon dynasties. Which are... So this would have happened in 1392. So this is quite a long time ago. There are versions, so like Bulgasari, Bulgasari, however you want to, it can be either a B or a P depending on like which romanization you're doing. It's oftentimes associated with like regime change and periods of instability. So there were versions of this that were written that were set during the Japanese occupation, during Chinese invasions. And the first time this was turned into a film was 1962, which was right after the Korean Revolution, the South Korean Revolution. So Kim Jong-il is really trying to pitch into the revolutionary fervor of the times. I think on some level he thought that if this movie was really popular in South Korea, it might actually lead to a populist uprising. Like, somewhere in the back of his head, like, that was happening. It's about time, guys, right? One Korea, let's come back. All right. Paul Gassari's going to do it. Exactly. I'm going to get Steve Perry to go sit at the line, and he's going to sing faithfully, and we're all going to get back together, man. It's a plan. Highway run. Let's go. That would have been great. We could have done some sort of DMZ concert. We could still do it now, right? What could bring together everybody? Who's the artist that can get them together? Is it the K-pop demon hunters? Are they the ones? That might be safest because they're animated so they wouldn't trigger any landmines. That's good. See, that's smart. You've got to think about things like that. I don't know. maybe you go the other way. Maybe you have Kendrick go over there, sing a song on the line, call Kim Jong-un a pedophile or some shit. You know what I mean? Go at him, like he did at Drake. Right? Kendrick can go out of the DMZ and beat out what he does? Yeah. That'll bring everyone together. But diss track. But we cut to leave. Okay, you told me there's never been a diss track battle at the DMZ before between North and South Korea because they're really... This is how we settle all of our battles, honestly. Like, no more... A world without war. Yeah, this is how we settle it from now on. This is a rap battle. I support this. This should be the world moving forward. It is. But we got our young guy, Indy. He's standing on a rock doing some cool sword shit, getting ready for his rap battle. And Ami walks up and says, you're going up in the... It's true. He looks great. But yes, he walks up to him and says, you're going up in the mountains, aren't you? And she doesn't want him to go but he's like, look baby, if I don't go up there everyone's going to starve. They chose me as a leader. So the next day he's all packed up and the blacksmith says, well goodbye forever, shitty son-in-law. and uh Ami tearfully gives him some road snacks and he and the boys got scrammed because the governor's coming up oh shit and uh yeah this shit gets serious here because the governor's like hey blacksmith you're going to make us a bunch of weapons the blacksmith tries to explain to me we don't have any iron left and the governor's like hey we already thought of that and a cart pulls up the road it's got all the neighboring villages farming tools and cooking pots and shit and he says, you know what, I'll do you one better, dude. This village is forfeit, too. How do you like that shit? Get workin'. We cut to just, like, chaos in the town as, like, they're ripping away cooking pots from people and, like, we're taking frying pans out of old lady vans. This is the authoritarian version of Forged in Fire. It's true. It will, too. Sacrifice for the greater good, you know? See? It makes sense. Mike's on board. Look on a rock. What do you need a fucking pan for? You know? And so soldiers, they raid the village of all its metal. One of them shouts out that all the youth in this village are bandits, so they just start slashing grandmas. Yeah, that's true. They're like, bandit shit, and just turn and punch an old lady. Yeah, while they're at it, I mean, Logan's run the town, too, you know. People are a little bit old. We got a lot. This town needs a lot I love. A lot of attention. We got multiple things to need to address about this. We need a hard reset in this town. You know, things are not going well. Let's just start again. In this fight, who's there is Indy. He didn't go up to the mountains. He's there, like, fighting. Well, because he and the boys had to hide off to the side because the governor showed up before he could leave. Uh-huh. So they get into it, but it doesn't work out. Probably in a pile of leaves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they were. Indy gets beaten up and dragged off, and the Blacks would tell the remaining villagers to hide all the iron over here in this bush three feet away from my tent. Yeah. It took me three months to see it. It should take them about the same amount of time, right? Yeah. Put some leaves on that shit. Come on. You think it's going to fool anybody? It fooled me. Well, all right. It's like a video game where there's, like, so obviously the thing that you're supposed to interact with. Oh, yeah. And you walk over and just it's like there's a giant crack in the wall and you're like, I wonder what I'm supposed to do here with this bomb flower that's right next to it. I don't know. I gotta tell you, thank God, Julie, because at my age, I'm like, I need the biggest crack ever to know what's above the wall. It's true. I don't play these modern video games where you can't tell what you're supposed to do. I know. Just tell me what I'm supposed to do. Give me an arrow for fuck's sake. Honestly. Where to go. What ever happened to that? Remember when video games were supposed to be fun? That was like Emotional Crisis. What is this? Oh, I loved Emotional Crisis. That was a good game. I already live that video game every day. I don't need it. There's no joke, Julie. The other day I almost quit a game because it was like, just go open the box and find the weapon. I'm like, I can't even find the fucking box that you're talking about. Yeah, it's highlighting it for me, please, for the love of God. Make it move or something. It's like when I walk into a room and I don't know what I came in there for. It's exactly how it feels in every video scene anymore. I'm like, just tell me what to do. God damn it. What button opens the map? Yes. Oh, I don't even know that shit. We do a time jump. We cut to the old guy getting tortured for the whereabouts. He says, hey, maybe Pogasari took it all. and the king responds, there's no such stake as Paul Gasari. I don't think it was the king. I think it was the governor. Pardon me. It'll be over. And that's it. We're done. Credits. Kim Jong-il, standing ovation. But, so he has the guards whipping him unconscious, and he throws him in a cell to starve. So this is the first of many times. A lot of characters get captured in this movie. We never see them get captured. We just cut to them already captured. Oh, yeah. I think that is the propaganda getting in the way of the storytelling, because, like, the Glorious Farmer's Revolt has to be shown as being successful to the point where you can't show them lose. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, no. Yeah, very, okay, yeah, I'm good to lose. They should have voluntarily been captured, you know? They should have been like, you got me? Okay. You know what, A? You're closing the cell behind you. Tossing them the key after you lock the cell. You keep this thing safe for me, will you? Wink at the guard. But, yeah, so Ami comes up. She sneaks some food to the blacksmith. Balling up some rice and throwing it into his cell from below a window. Like, 30 feet. Very good arms in medieval careers. Perfect spiral, Joe Montana. I've always believed it, but, like, this solidified it. You know, rice is the perfect food. You can make it into a throwable object. Yep. Or a little figurine. Or a monster. It's a miracle food. There's nothing it can't do. Because he gathers it up. Starts molding it in his hands. And we get a great little speech here. I wish I had this speech when I took an acting class in junior college. I'd start picking up a bunch of rice off the floor. This collection is from Pulgasari, 1985. That's right. Exactly. that's a Kim Jong-il production no nobody? okay and uh he says you know I spent my life making tools for these farm people happiness was an unfulfilled dream if pity exists then heaven help us please he says that uh in his life he hasn't let a day go by without creating something so before he goes he wants to leave the people this and he makes this cute little bull dragon out of dirty rice he's cute He looks like a little homie. Yeah. He makes a little homie. That's actually the story of little homies. The guy was dying in prison. Yeah, I want to leave something for the people. There's humanity on my behalf, little homie. He just dies in his cell and just rolls out of his hands some little homies. The little guy with the bandana over his eyes going... Go get them, little homies. That's so great. Flashing back to being a kid at the grocery store with my mom not letting me get the little homies on the machine. You had two quarters. I just want a little homie. And I remember going to the main place mall in Santa Ana and all the way in the back where nobody ever went was a machine that had the little homies in it. Bring it back. Yeah, first form Polgasari looks like a dope eraser you get at the Scholastic Book Fair. You're like, hell yeah, man, look at this thing. And then the kid who didn't have five bucks is staring at it like, man. And he tells this thing to save humanity in his place. He prays to the gods of heaven and earth to grant this old man one last wish. And so he dies. and for a moment the little baby ghost bull dragon sitting there glows blue. And I was like, oh shit, things are happening. This is whimsical. Yeah, it feels pretty like epic mythology stuff. And then it gets, yeah. I mean, this is more or less Wonder Woman's origin story, just like where he molded this little thing and prayed to the gods and then it came to life. And so the next morning, Ami grabs it from his cold dead hand as they're carrying him off. because the body's getting carted out of there. She's like, what's that in his hand? It's a little homie. She's like, oh, shit, little homie? Give me that. And so later, she's sewing up a tear in a shirt, and she pricks her finger, and oh, man, she hit a gusher. Yeah, it's really big. It's pretty serious. Yeah, you got to watch yourself sewing, man. Come on. Too much sodium in her diet. Very high blood pressure. Yeah. It is bad. And some of the blood falls on the little baby ghost bull dragon, homie. And this little homie comes to life and oh man, does this movie start taking a turn when this happens. It really does. So yeah. Is that what happens if you put blood on a little homie? If you bleed on a little homie. Blood in, blood out, they say. Is that what they stop selling them? Too many kids are fricking their fingers, bleeding on the little homies. You've seen Trilogy of Terror, right? It's like that. Oh man, Trilogy of Terror, but it's a little homie? Just Crip walking around? So Julie, where are you at on this at this point in the story? I mean, okay, it really is like a shift in vibe, because before this we're watching people get beaten and it's horrible and starving the death and everybody's crying and stuff. And now we're like, oh my god, it's making these cute little noises and they're like, you get to sleep in the bed with me now. It's so cute. They tuck him in, it's so cute. When it goes over to the pin cushion and it's pulling out the little pins and eating them. And they're like, oh my god, it's so cute, look at him eat the little needles. And their dad just died. This is the last thing that he left over. but they're just like, I mean, it cures all wounds of the heart. It's like getting a puppy to recover. It is. It is. This is puppy sorry. And so that night, I always bring a puppy to a funeral. It really likes everybody's food. Yeah. They just go around eating stuff. Eat a pin cushion. Eat some pins. And so yeah, as Julie was saying, they got them all tucked in all sweet. and he creeps out while everyone's asleep. He eats the door latch and runs off into the night. The gremlin got out. Yeah. The mogwai has escaped and they find it out in the forge eating all the tools and at this point it's grown to about the size of the Taco Bell Chihuahua. Mm-hmm. Before they can do anything about that, Auntie runs up and says, they're going to convict Indy as a criminal. Damn. And so we've got to divert our attention to that. They're dragging him to the town square. They're about to cut his head off with a big blade. The executioner is cackling like mad. He's really like fake-outs. He's like, oh, am I going to do it? What? I'm not going to do it. Guys, it's been a while. He's like, I don't get to do this every day. I'll make it count. There we go. I've waited a long time for one of these. And he's having a great time, but suddenly the wee baby Pogazari jumps up, bites a chomp out of his sword. He does? It was adorable. I was delighted. He starts munching on Indy's shackles to free him, and then he jumps on the executioner's face. So obviously to do this effect, the guy playing the executioner has to have a puppet on his face. My note here is, it's like getting mulled by a Teddy Ruxpin. Yeah! I love it! And in all that chaos, Indy makes a run for it. This is why we had to move Teddy out of my brother's room at some point. Those batteries start going, and it starts going for the face. And he'd seen child's play if that was enough for him, you know. That's it. And so the soldiers go tell the governor, hey, man, a beast ate all our weapons. And he starts laughing. He goes for a little stroll. Lightly excuse, you know. Sure, guys. He's not all your weapons. Yeah, the dog ate my homework. Sure, man. and he starts walking and he says, so what kind of beast was it? And they're like, well he's over there eating a sword right now and they all turn and look and we got like I do remember I do remember as a kid trying to use that excuse I was like, no seriously teacher my little homie shot my homework it's my little hole, I can't put it in they jumped on top of one of my hot wheels and they did a drive-by Yeah, he pulled out his gas. Rat-a-tat-tat he did to my obert. He's untotted that shit. He should have seen it. Oh, it was amazing. The little homies are tough. But yeah, I love when they went. He's like, well, what kind of beast are we talking about? They're like, it's right there. And he turns and he's like, huh? He looks up like they interrupted his lunch. And everybody runs. The soldiers are trying different weapons on him. and all the weapons break when they make contact. Yeah. And so this four-foot Pulgasari walks over, punches a hole in the wall, and just walks out. Kool-Aid man's right through the wall. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I'm so fucking in at this point in the movie. I was like, this rules. Question. Is Kool-Aid man just a Pulgasari? Like a fluid-filled Pulgasari? Yeah. Is he going around stealing Kool-Aid from everybody? It's bigger than he's dead. Oh, man. Kool-Aid Man breaks into Jonestown? Chains everybody, but he grows kaiju size. What summons the Kool-Aid Man so I can avoid it? Yeah, what summons them? Is it being kool-Aid? Is it boredom in the summertime? I think it's being thirsty in the summertime. Oh, that's dangerous. Thirst summons the Kool-Aid Man. I'm putting it in right now to Google. What summons the Kool-Aid Man? Oh, you have to prick your finger, it turns out. It's a specific seal you can draw in shock or blow. No, that's what the Kool-Aid powder is for. You draw a circle on the Kool-Aid. Oh, yes, exactly. That makes your magic circle. How come no one ever did that commercial where someone took the Kool-Aid packets and, like, you have to make a symbol on the ground and light some candles, and then they do a prayer, and the Kool-Aid man bursts into the earth? Let's go. Well, that's Google's description, really. It says the Kool-Aid... Are you in the AI overview? Yes. This is what the AI says. The Kool-Aid man is summoned when children, or thirsty people, shout, hey, Kool-Aid, after mixing a... Michael is blind. Oh, my God. He's not mixing a packet of Kool-Aid right now. There's a material component. Okay. Michael, behind you. he is only summoned if you're making the Kool-Aid and you say his name you pour water into the powder and you say hey Kool-Aid and now he's eating your little brother now there's holes in your wall holes in the floor your sibling is upside down drowning in his head he basically shows up and says fuck around and find out here we go So Kool-Aid Man has the same rules as Madman Mars? Let's go. Dude, if you're going to drink his brethren, he's coming for you. He's not going to let them take you. He's going to take it back. You drink mine, I drink yours. Man, when does Kool-Aid Man go public domain so we can get this shitty horror movie? I don't know about that, but April Fool's Day is coming up, and I have been considering what to write for the Creature Codex, so I'm going to make a note of that. That's perfect! That rules! I just want to see the birthday party where he just snaps a kid in half and just drains it into the Kool-Aid's garden. Yes, that's why it's always red Kool-Aid in there. Yeah, always. Man. Man, I've got to bust out the art supplies. We're going to start doing some Kool-Aid man work. That rules. I've got some good copy markers. We're going to do it. I feel like this could work because in Pathfinder, if anybody makes the mistake of saying, hey, Kool-Aid, it's over. He appeared. You summoned him. You can't defeat him. He has no weaknesses. Not to make a trade. He's like a man's a trade. It's Jason and the Friday 13th NES game. It just goes, you and all of your friends are dead. That's true. Game over. And you know that VHS cover to the remake of The Blob? It's just someone pressed against the inside of the Kool-Aid man's body. All drowned and puffy. Yes, being immersed in Kool-Aid does 20D6 acid damage. Holy shit. This is like when Mike was talking about the Mac tonight. I'm like, oh shit, I'm going to start playing Pathfinder. You finally got me after all these years. I've got to master the Kool-Aid, man. Whatever the name becomes for the Kool-Aid. And so, back in the village, everybody's pissed. They're like, that thing ate all our tools. In our pot. And Ami and her little brother, they find four-foot Polgasari fucking around in the creek. He's fishing like Smeagol. Flapping at the water a little bit. And they keep calling his name. Over and over and over again. Yeah, he looks at him, and they're like, yeah, little guy, that's your name. That's you. It's so cute. He walks over to them. He takes their gardening tools from them, and he waddles away with them. That's it. I didn't give a fuck. And that's the point that I realized in my notes that this is the Iron Giant. I was like, this is it. This is where it came from. The monster is the animal. Iron Giant was a dick. But the Iron Giant was a dick. Fogasari versus the Iron Giant? He's just fighting him like a zombie? Who gets there first? Taking chunks out of him? That'd be awesome. But back at the palace, soldiers are kicking Grandma's ass. Yeah, we just cut... My note is enough winpy cut the caning. Yeah. Cut the caning. I really appreciated the level of old people violence we got this movie. We got a lot of it. I don't see it often. Most people aren't brave enough to even do that. He'll do it. Yeah. He'll go where no one else is willing to go. Yeah. And this is Indy's mother and little brother that they're trying to get the information on the whereabouts of the monster? Where Indy is. Oh, yeah, where Indy is. And she ain't talking. Grandma's seen enough shit in her life. She's like, fuck you. How's that? Hey, Kool-Aid. Because Grandma always makes a nice picture a Kool-Aid would go over. But, um, but so they try a different tactic. They go to the youngin. They threaten him. They say, hey, tell us where this guy is or we're gonna kill your old mom. And so, uh, we go to Ami. She finds Indy. He's training his bandit army in a cave. Whoop! And, uh, Fern ain't having it. Fern's like, fuck this. Oh no, Fern got taken by the Kool-Aid man. Oh my god! Oh yeah! The cool Koreans are Cool Rancherians, yeah. Fern, little does Fern know he was taken by the North Koreans because they're big Pathfinder fans. God damn it. They want to learn all about them. And they are behind the times. I still write for Pathfinder First Edition. We're on like two and a half now. Kim Jong-un, not so much into the movies. Really into Pathfinder, though. You know what? I would not be surprised if he has the most extensive Warhammer setup you've ever seen in your life. If you're the GDP of a country, you can afford a lot of miniatures. He's got an army of what? He has eight-year-olds paint from because they have the smallest, most nimble fingers. Yeah. Henry Cavill is like his Dennis Rodman. Like, he keeps flying him over so they can play Warhammer. Cavill's like, look, I don't agree with a lot of the stuff he does, but, like, he's got a hell of a setup here. Like, I can't. What am I saying? Look, it's like, you should see the Necrons he's playing with. Middle-aged people with a lot of middle-aged men with lots of disposable income, for some reason, Warhammer's it. Like, there they go. It's either sportsman or Warhammer. Oh, he's got something from the app. Let's see what he got today. Looks like a brownie. He's holding it up to the camera. It's a brownie. You know, as... Put that thing down. I can't. As my man, you got an app in your house. I got it good here. Julie, you got an app in your house. Tell him to get your brownie. Tell him to get off his ass. Text your husband right now and say, love, love, my love, and I please get a brownie. And so like I said Ami finds Indy he trained in his bandit army in a cave and they say hey you know it took my ma and our little brother so the bandit army scale the palace walls they kill a bunch of guards they bust mom out and there's like a bajillion and they find a little brother there he's knocked out he's unconscious yeah so fucking many people so many people It culminates in, like, the Indy chasing down and, like, attacking the governor and killing him as he's escaping with, like, a big thing of money. Right? That's the governor that they killed, right? Yeah, because what happens is while they're there saving Ma and little brother, they're like, well, we're already here, guys. Let's J6 this shit. It's an hour on the steps. Killing the governor. I do think it would be a dream of mine to one day die being shot while carrying a big bag like comically big bag of money like in Ocean's Eleven where the guy's like he's like running out with this pile of money you shout them back and it's just rain of bills and coins I'll take my breath away his plan yeah I'll take my breath away his plan perfect that is how they would remember me that would be unforgettable for so many people as I spread money and joy all across them, you know? I would love that. I would love it if you got murdered in Vegas. The grind bin meetup takes a dark turn. A very dark turn. So from this murder on the steps, we cut to the king, and he's like, oh, holy shit, we can't let that happen again. And he's just like, whoa, okay. Like, half the country is like, well, they were just tourists. They actually didn't do anything wrong. And, like, there's a lot of controversy about it. So nobody can really agree. So it might be hard to prevent it. It was peaceful. It was just a demonstration. And he says, you know what? I need a general who can handle these bandits. And that's when we see this dude in, like, a Goldar helmet. Yeah, beard general. Got a little weird. He steps up. the job you want. He's like, dude, I'm ready to die for this shit. And they're like, that's my guy. Look at this dude. That's the guy. He's got a cape? Come on. That's the guy. He's like, oh, yeah. The great praise they have for this guy, General Fulon, is that he is competent. That's all it takes, man. What a find. Look, I gotta say, with what's been going on, that might be the one quality you need. Competence is gonna... reign supreme at this point. I'm trying to kill time as Bobby's scarfing down this brownie. Okay. Julie, is yours on the way? Like, I mean, I put in the order, so we'll see. Yeah, but the king's like, I love this guy. Get him some overstay shoes right now. And meanwhile, Indy moves the fight to Maru Mountain. And there's a camera pan here, so like, Everybody's, again, a huge cast of people, just like everybody in the fucking world, is in this shot. And the camera pan is sickening. I don't know what they did to make me knock this in a camera pan, but it happened. It was rough. But everybody in this scene is fired up. I think it's the purple headband that he's got on now. They're like, he looks fucking awesome. Let's go. Everybody's fired up because they're fired up, and then the other side is General Beard and his little sidekick, the eyepatch guy, they're like, let's fucking go. Everybody is just raring to go right now. We're battling. We're battling. Morale's strangely high. Okay, there we go. And that's exactly when the bandits, as the rest of the people are coming through, the enemy soldiers are coming through, all of the bandits who are up on the mountain, they drop logs and rocks and all kinds just come running down. The bad guys walk into, like, a home alone trap. They really do, yeah. It was actually pretty good planning. It's the last of the good planning that the bandits will do, but it was good planning. And so, you know, between the rocks, and, like, there was a cart covered in spears, the bad guys are retreating. They're running back down the room. Well, they had two carts. Yeah, they had two of them, and they, like, squished them between. They squished the whole formation between two of the carts. It was, like, something from, uh, what's it, 2000 Maniacs? Yeah. So the General Breed got his ass handed to him for sure. And the thing that the king is dressing down his soldiers and they all say in unison, we are ashamed. We do this hard cut to the king going, alright boys, what the hell was that? They're just fucking farmers. What are we doing? He's like, I thought your top quality was competent. So he's like, alright guys, new plan, new plan. We're going to surround the mountain and starve them out. And so we do a time jump. Everybody's hungry. Oh, we jumped you like a horse head. It was really graphic. Yeah, they're eating horses and, like, moss. And the tree bark. I mean, it's a shorthand for how desperate things have gotten. They're eating their horses. The time jumps in it are great. They're living that live moss mentality. yeah there's no indication of how much time ever progresses from scene to scene and it's usually very quick very hard cuts yeah I'm sorry I'm just getting flashbacks flashbacks of when Trump said they're eating the dogs they're eating the horses they're eating the bark they're eating the bark they're eating the moths Oh, man, the bounce house flew by again, and Trump's telling us all about that. But they decided, you know what, look, if we're going to die, we're going to die bravely. Let's go get some food, guys. Let's go get some takeout. And this doesn't go well for this group of bandits who decided, okay, we're just going to go get some food. Great product placement right now. If they could have got it, like just having a McDonald's arch, you know, at the bottom of the hill. The golden arches. Yeah. Oh, man. The double Pogasari with cheese. You don't think Kim made a call? Be like, you guys want in on this shit? You know? Product placement. Trying to get product placement in his movie? No. Pepsi took a call, at least. Ronald McDonald woke up zip-tied. What the hell am I doing here? Wait a minute. The Hamburglar is standing over him taking the pile of money. He's like, you Judas! I can't believe you turned me over to get me out. You sold me out to the command. Another movie I would watch. And, um, so Ami gets captured by some soldiers. They're about to do some bad guy shit. when a six-foot Polgasari shows up like Gamera, saving a cosplay cutie. But she reacts so chill. I had to be a screen grab of this, because she just looks up and goes, oh, it's Polgasari. Like, hey, what's up, dude? Yeah, the novelty of Polgasari wears off immediately for her. Like, there is no sense of awe or wonder. It's just a friend of hers, you know? And now he's evolved enough that, like, He's grown in his little rubber horns now, and now he looks like a minotaur. Benny the Bull. You know? Boy, isn't that always how it goes? Former child actor, Fulgasari. It's just weird looking down. I do have to say that there have been a lot of baby kaiju. Like you mentioned Minya. The 90s movies had little Godzilla in them. I think the baby Pogasari is one of the best-looking, like, quote-unquote cute kaiju. Because, like, it still, it looks like the adult, it looks, because, like, Pogasari's a bull, the face kind of looks like a calf. And so, like, it actually looks like it could conceivably grow up to be this thing, and it's cute, but not, like, twee. Like, the suits in this movie are really good. They are. I play Godzilla Battle Line on my phone. It's a little cell phone game using the Godzilla characters. I should save this for the end when we're recommending what we're into. I've been playing this little turn-based fighting game. They have the Godzilla characters. They got Gamera characters in there. They got Ultraman in there. It's all shared. I'm waiting for them to add Pulgasari. Well, Pulgasari's in the Monsterverse now, actually. Oh, wow. Like, the very first episode of Season 2 of Monarch Legacy of Monsters is a throwaway reference to Pulgasari being active in Korea. Really? Yeah. Whoa. Shit. I am going to watch that. I mean, I was already planning on watching that. I haven't started it yet. Yeah, I'm shocked you haven't watched it. It's a timing issue. We've been busy with a lot of activities this week, and Mary and Ace watched that show with me. And so, you know, we're going to get to it probably this weekend. As we record this, it's Mary's birthday week, so we've been out doing stuff. But that's awesome to know, though. And now I get to be that guy. Hey, I know that one. I understand that one. I get to be the guy who hits pause and turns to his partner and goes, okay, so. Let me tell you, it's a little crazy. They love it when I do that. I'm going to get two very supportive sighs. I like the idea, though. You're like, so I know it's your birthday this week, Barry, so next week's the monster show, right? We're going to start watching it together. As soon as we're done with all this, we can get to my thing? Okay. Cool. Let me go ahead and mark it down on the calendar. I'm thinking that was a promise. Yeah, I'm going to mark it down so we do have a dedication. So I'm going to write it here. It is your birthday until 11.59, and then come 12 o'clock. We're putting on a monster show. Yeah, I'm hoping to get in two episodes, because there's a Polkasari reference in episode two. Sorry for spoilers. But we have to get to it. Yeah, I can't sit around waiting after episode one to learn how the Pogasari reference happens, because we've just got to block out enough time for two episodes on the first time. Okay, that's all I'm saying. Just me, like, intensely staring while I say, it matters. And so Pogasari escorts her back to Bandit Base, and she's like, Everybody chill, it's Pogasari. And everyone's like, what's up, Pogasari? he comes in like he's Spud's McKenzie yeah he rolls out Pulgasari the original party animal and she explains to him this guy eats metal you think they're like hey hide your tools Pulgasari's in town hey everybody everyone pulling their keys back out of the bowl like uh oh someone's thinking we made you a snack Oh, what a great, you know, little SNL bit. They go to a pool of chips party and everybody takes the keys back when Paul Gassari comes in. He eats them like a bowl of chips. He's just in there. Damn, how are we all getting home? He never had to run. Oh, nobody's leaving you alive. It's really funny, though, because everyone just kind of chills. They're all sitting around and they all just start bringing them stuff. They're, like, feeding him swords and shit until he grows to, like, Clifford's size. And they're like, hell yeah, dude, look at our big-ass Pulgasari. And this is a dance party. This is a party, right? Yeah. When it's, like, real big. Yeah, there's, like, a lion dance. There's, like, I don't know where. I thought they were starving, like, five minutes ago. But, again, the time in this movie does not. Well, until Pulgasari showed up, and that didn't matter. Yeah. Worry about it. It's a party, dude. They get food and costume changes. Yeah, man. good to see. But he brings the party. Because there's spies in this movie. Oh no. And somebody has told Beard General that Ami is the one who controls this thing so they gotta get her. She's the key. A la Teen Kong. And I love when he was, one of his underlings was breaking it all down because the general was like alright how do we stop a big ass Fulgasari? And this dude practically like shows up with the script. He pops in Spaceballs the video. He's like alright so Rice Puppet, Drop of Blood, Girl's Name's Amy. It's very modern. For the people who weren't paying attention because they were surfing on their phone, let's lay this out. What if someone's making spaghetti? Yeah. It's a good idea, though. How do you beat a polka sari? You just make another polka sari. You know what I mean? You just get another. That's what I would cry. Yeah, you just got to starve an old man. Anybody got any little homies around here? And polka sari has kind of become kind of a Paul Bunyan at this point, because he's just sort of helping out with stuff. There's a great scene where they needed more wood for the cooking fire, so he goes and starts stripping the branches off the trees for everybody. You know, interesting thought. Paul Bunyan is he just an American Paul Gasari. That's why. It's actually Paul Gasari Bunyan. Paul Gasari! Oh my god. He's Paul Gasari. That's the one. And they got the blue ox. Yeah. Oh, shit. Was Babe Pulgasari? Babe was Pulgasari the whole time. Man. Now I gotta do that artwork of Paul Bunyan with Pulgasari. And, uh, Pulgasari keeps eating his axe. He's like, oh, come on. I just got that thing. And, uh, and so, yeah, some ladies come running up and says, hey, Ami got abducted by three stooges from the palace. I didn't notice that yeah this keeps happening every time every scene ends with someone running up a character got abducted and so Paul Gensari just starts walking yeah they never lost just so we're clear but yeah Paul Gensari is just like not on my fucking watch pal and just starts walking it gets to where an army of soldiers are holding her with a sword to her neck, and they got a big wooden cage. And General's like, here's the deal, you big prick. He's like, you bow to me, you do what I say, and we cut this broad's head off. It's a power move. And Pulgasari's not, he understands the power move, so he bows immediately. He's like, alright, man, alright. And they go, now get in the cage. And Ami's pleading with Pulgasari. He's like, if you go in there, something bad might happen. Good improv. but Pulgasari just mopes his ass on into the cage and they lock him in the whole army's cheering they grab torches we're gonna wicker man this motherfucker yeah and and this is this is also a scene from the novel because the yeah specifically the idea like because again the name Pulgasari can mean unkillable or killable by fire and so the enemy army sets him on fire, and then Polgasari uses that fire to kill the enemy army. That makes sense. And in the book, it's like this is in the center of town, and he just bursts out and burns the whole town down. What happens in this one is, I think, more fun. Oh, yeah. It's sick as fuck. It's sick. I gotta say, the big, scaly minotaur in a cage with flames all around him looks hard as fuck. It's so metal. It's so metal, Pogastari's gonna eat it. I made an album cover. It's really good. When Kim Jong-il made his metal band, did I not mention Kim Jong-il's metal band? He and Christopher Lee had a band together. And, uh, this dude did everything. This dude was cool as fuck. No, um, but, uh, he doesn't try to break out. He just stands there and burns to death. Well, shit. and burns down to ash and the ground starts exploding. Hell yeah. And then from hell itself comes Fire Bulgazari. It's awesome. He's glowing red. The whole army's... It's so cool. The army's running for the fucking boats. They're running for the boats, right? Which you're like, oh, they'll be safe in the water. But they're not. Will they? In the water. They're not at all. because Fulgasri comes in and he just sticks his face in the water and it boils because he's so like, his metal has been super heated to the point where it's like sticking it into a quench it's like a quench of a blade and it's just boiling water and it's boiling people alive as a boat and it's fucking awesome, it's glorious he sits down so hard, it capsizes all the boats and then it's just like it's Freddy in Nightmare 2 boiling the swimming pool man, everyone's just I just love this idea, though, of Julie watching this on her TV. And her husband walks in the room right when she's whispering at the TV, you think you're safe in the water? Oh, wide-eyed. That's how I take my notes, yeah. And he looks at the screen, and it's just this rubber monster with its face down in the water. It's like it's just glowing bubbles. It's just bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. and so once he's cooled off a bit he lays down against the base of a mountain he's still hot to the touch and Ami comes up and goes stand Pulgasari and he's like alright shit give me a minute get up Fambi the monsters don't have a union and Indy says you know before the army regroups let's go get the king and Pulgasari's like yeah get his ass like he's feeling it as we go back to the palace the general's explaining his new plan. That's another running thing. We keep going, alright guys, new plan. I love this. This is my favorite plan. It's one of those things, how are we going to stop that pigeon? And he's like, we're going to trick Polgasari into falling in a hole, and then we're going to cover that hole with a bunch of big rocks. Yeah. He's almost loony-toon shit. Yeah, I was waiting for them to, like, put a big canvas over it and, like, sprinkle a whole bunch of, like, iron shapings on top so it would fall in like a roadrunner. We're going to paint a tunnel on the side of this rock. I mean, I think you guys know what I was hoping for. A big net? There's only one way to solve this. The biggest goddamn net you've ever seen. Hell yeah. That would be incredible. And so the man in the army is running up on him. Fish nets. Is Polkis Island getting hot right now? Damn. Is Polkis Island that fucks? Oh, man, you know that Pulgasari. You know it gets red hot. We have goth Pulgasari at this point. Chappasari. We need every version of Pulgasari. It's like an action figure line. We just need to get all the different... Like a collectible. A little homies. Yeah, actually, the McDonald's in North Korea had the Happy Meal. Every version of Pulgasari gave it each Happy Meal. I was going to say, do you think Kim Jong-il was like sitting on fucking mountains of Pulgasari action figures? He's like, what the fuck am I going to do with all these now? Huh? That's why he ran away. Yeah. Well, no kids getting Pulgasari under the tree this year. You're welcome. Just him alone in a big room throwing a Pulgasari action figure. Fuck. And so yeah, the bandit army's running up, so they catapult flaming rocks at him while they're digging the hole. And Pulgasari walks up like, what are you guys doing? And they start firing spear missiles at him. The spear missiles are really cool. That's pretty fucking cool. We're doing a little alternate history here. Where they're inventing modern weaponry. It was also like, guys, don't remember the last time that we burned them? Like, it didn't go well. Like, we should not light the Pulgasari on fire, you know? Right. And the spear missiles are just bouncing off of them until one of them gets a lucky shot, goes right in his fucking eye. And he's like, oh, oh, shit, what the hell? And he yanks that missile out of his eye. He picks up the whole missile platform and just throws it, just busting up this temple. And they're like, sir, how do we make him fall in the hole? And he explains to me. That's okay. I love this. Look, the spirit of the blacksmith resides inside the monster. So we're going to have a priest perform an exorcism. It's like you do. Let's go get that witch. Bring her here. We just cut to like a bunch of witches walking into frame. And they're waving their arms around. They're doing the stanky leg. And I'm like, well, let's do our documentary. From like the Bulgussari 1962 is lost. but this scene is in that movie. Like, it was commented that that was one of the better scenes in the movie was, like, the white-haired witch dance. Yeah. That's cool. And so what you're saying is we can confirm that Kim Jong-il has a copy. At least he has the script. Because apparently screenplay survives but is not publicly available, which I think is a way of saying that, like, yeah, North Korea got hold of it. because one day he said man I wish I could read that script and then suddenly it appears in front of him in a black bag and the screenwriter so you can ask him any questions he might have exactly and Fogasari is feeling some kind of way about this it's working he stumbled around all woozy she also has a great arm she throws like a white scarf over him and it catches him like around the shoulder and at this point he's like 100 feet tall yeah real good but yeah he stumbles he falls right in the hole every rock they could find comes pouring in well the big hole trick did work sorry sometimes it's the simplest plan yeah which again it was funny just because like the whole idea it felt like it all happened within a matter of like an hour and they even have like a line that's like just make those guys dig faster because like we need this hole right now and then when we see the hole it is like a chasm it's a hole that Godzilla would fit in it is like it is a trench like the whole hollow earth yes it's incredible they really get it done what can you say efficiency That's right. They get shit done. They get shit done up there. Fern, I have a question. I'm assuming you've seen most kaiju movies. Has there ever been a time when somebody did get the great idea, other than Pulgasari, that maybe we just put them in a big hole? Right? If it can't fly, put that thing in a hole. What's it going to do? the closest that I can think of is that one of the brilliant plans in the first Gamera movie is flip him on his back because he's a turtle I mean that makes sense that's a good idea yeah that is when they reveal that he can fly well we didn't know that it would have worked but all I'm saying is get Godzilla's ass in a hole what's he going to do he can't get out he's got those tiny ass arms and shit what's he gonna do sorry about it Godzilla you're in a hole now they're like he's too clumsy he won't be able to get out um okay so okay my my THC's hope right is like putting things together you really you just upset so much with this no no no no I can actually think of things that are closer to what you're saying that is how Godzilla is defeated at the end of the second movie. Godzilla raids again. It's not a hole, but they get Godzilla into a canyon, and they cover him with ice in like an avalanche. To show how much power creep happened through the series, in Godzilla, Return of Godzilla does end with them dropping him into a volcano. He gets out at the beginning of the second movie, Godzilla vs. Violante. and then and then and then because power creep happens in movies two movies later in Godzilla vs. Mothra he's dropped into a he's dropped into a volcanic trench and then swims through the magma and comes out a volcano wow that's dope but also let's remember Hedera dropped him into a hole and then took a shit on him Oh, right, he did! And that almost worked. Yeah, Godzilla was really having a bad day in that one. I'll never see a Godzilla movie in the theater, but if I did, I am going to scream out multiple times. Would somebody just dig a hole? Just give rid of this guy. I did that at Godzilla Minus One. I was like, just dig a hole, stupid. Well, they kind of do. Yeah, the plan to kill Godzilla in Godzilla Minus One is to fuck with buoyancy to like drop him into deep water and then pull him back up and so like compression sickness. They want to give him the bend. What a plan, you guys. It's pretty amazing. It's not as far away of a plan from dig a hole as you can get. It's like the two ends of the spectrum. But it still involves dropping him, right? Yeah. We're going to sink him down real deep and then wave him up real fast. The way you beat Godzilla is you got to drop his ass somewhere. That's it. Hole, water. That's a trope in the Gamera movies that made it into Pacific Rim. And Godzilla King of the Monsters. Take a monster into orbit, drop him from space. That's it. It only works half the time. But you know what? That's more than we ever had anything else. 50% of the time works every time. And so, while this is happening, Well, focus there. He's in the hole. The General's Army's getting the upper hand. They capture and hang Indy. He actually does on camera, which I was surprised by. Yeah. Yeah. We get the feet hanging. Which, that was also another confusing thing, because it almost seemed like, because he was in camp, and he was fine, he was just, like, injured. And now he's hanging him. And the next time we see him, they're hanging him. He's hanging him, like, is this a flashback? But we didn't see him lose. Like, he's going to sleep right now? So we didn't see him get captured. but we can save that. And his last request is metal as fuck. He says, put my head on the gates so I can watch the king fall. That was pretty dope, man. It was really cool. Take revenge for me. You know, my last words would be... That's when the drums came in. What are your last words, Mike? My last words, if I'm in the electric chair one day, they'll be like, do you have any last words? I'm going to go, yeah, hey, Kool-Aid. see what happens right before they can hit that switch the wall puts open but Kool-Aid spills on the floor and triggers the electric chair oh no but it takes everyone with you and now everybody's riding the lightning yeah as long as everybody goes with me that's what matters I mean nobody wanted to be around for all those beans reaching the end we already know you're playing with that one Your last meal being 14 plates of bean. Yeah. Last meal, get me all the bushes you can find. Oh, that beautiful bean footage. It's going to be like Tommy in there. That excuse for going to look like Ann Margaret. You know, I love when there's a sentence that you say and you realize no one's ever said that before. Amazing how many of those still are. But like, you just want to use it in everyday life, you know what I mean? Like, man, that shit's going to look like Tommy in there. And so Amy's like, you know, no sense sitting around crying about this. The people need us. She's the only one left at this point. Like, we're down. We got Paul Gustavs down. Running out of protagonists here. The blacksmith's gone. It is down to her. grandma so her plan I thought was brilliant I thought she was like gonna do what Indy said to do and go get revenge on like the king or the general because she goes in like all dressed up as like a concubine I mean she describes herself literally as the general's new whore mhm yeah I thought we were gonna do a new whore you know this kind of thing yeah just go in there and fuck shit up they're going to cut the generals that off you go into a private party drinking, everyone's dancing passes some wine around to the guards makes your way over to the pile of rocks but the general's assistant's like hey that's the blacksmith's daughter like unfortunately we've captured her a couple of times guys you should know what she looks like right now but she yells down to Plogasari under all the rocks and uh she cuts her wrist, lets it drip into the rocks. And that's when Pulgasnari comes bursting up out of the pit like, oh yeah! She says, hey Kool-Aid! She gives a blood offering to the Kool-Aid man. And he comes popping up. That's how the Pathfinder version is going to work. You have to make a blood offering and say hey Kool-Aid. And then he will show up and fight your battles, whether you want him to or not, knowing each one's or your enemies are allies. He doesn't care. He's the fucking Kool-Aid man. You make a circle with your powder and then you make a blood offering and say, hey, Kool-Aid. Holy shit, don't stand near any walls, everybody. Get away from the walls. Oh, man, you feel the whole place shaking. Everyone's like, which wall is it going to be, though? I love this. I just see this. The Public Domain movie is going to be amazing. When they're all like, get in the trailer room! Everybody get in the room! Get away from the wall! Get away from the wall! I love it! I love it! Can we at least make a trailer? Like, to get it made as, like, a... Oh, man, the teaser trailer where you don't actually see them? You got the quiet moment where the person thinks that they're safe and they back against the wall? Yeah. Yeah, and it cuts to black, and we, and, like, it cuts to black. The title comes up, Kool-Aid Man, and we hear, oh yeah. Yeah. I love it. But then up on the screen underneath the title card, it says, oh no. I actually, I want the song to be a real breathy version of Tommy, where it's, see me, feel me, touch me. Like in minor plays. Yeah. Oh man, we can almost do like a three little pigs deal where like people think they're safe behind walls of different materials. I'm just like, he can't burst through this iron wall and then he does. But, um, so the general runs as he, as he cool a man's about it. He runs to the king like, oh shit, oh fuck, oh shit. He's like, the farmers are attacking him, they got Polka Zari with him. And the king starts doing a Fred Sanford. he's clenching his chest going ah it's a lot it is a whole lot and the general tells him hey look we got the best engineer working on a new weapon I know a guy don't worry about it calm down game I know a guy he's all man homie I got another one he's like you're gonna love this and he's like how about a giant iron cylinder full of explosives that can level a fucking mountain. And the king's like, oh, that's cool. Let's do that. And so they all get to work inventing a cannon. And, uh, they make several cannons. They make two of them specifically, and they're both encased in these iron statues looking cool as hell. One's called the Lion Gun and one's called the General Gun, which is two barrels. It's a pair of generals. And, uh, the king says, Even if there were 104 Polkasaris, we'd be doing fine. The sequel to 101 Dalmatians. Pongo, you old rascal. 104. You have a piano wires. Oh, my God. And so the Lion Gun and the General Gun are just laying waste to the mountainside. All the bandit armies flying everywhere. The king's like, this shit rules. the Kool-Aid man showed up again. Yeah. Said it too many times, you guys. And so, they start shooting Polkisari, and he's just swatting them away. All this cannon fire. And one of the cannonballs goes right in his mouth. He's standing there kind of like he swallowed a bug. And smoke's starting to come out of his mouth. He's looking really confused. Catches the second one in his mouth. He spits it right back at him, and they're like, Ah, run away! With a slide whistle sound effect. It's pretty incredible. It looks like a movie would happen in an NES game. We just bombed some Dodongos here. Yeah. And so everyone runs. They abandon their station. the king's left alone. Polgazari's trash in the palace. And the king kind of guy-smiles himself at a curtain. He's like, he gets wrapped up, he falls down, Polgazari squishes him like a fucking bug. Pops him like a grape. Yep, it's just like, we just saw that in Super Infra Man. Where he stepped on that bug guy and just went... And the villagers rejoiced. I wasn't sure with how, like, comedic we were making the king, like, whole escape and run away and like, oh, I'm in this curtain now. Yeah, his death is very wacky. It's weird that they decided to go that way. If they were going to kill him or not, but... They should have had the Pogastari's foot come back up, and the king was flat. That's how it felt. Well, we were leading up to, but... Roger Rabbit. Yeah, he holds up a sign that says, ouch, and then, like, creeps away. He accordions, and you hear the... You're accusing Pulgasari of shifting tones throughout the movie? Come on. Never. And so the villagers rejoice. The king is dead. The people are free. No more dictators. Right, everybody? Woo! Communism. Yeah, let's go. We all agree that dictators are wrong. Yeah. And so we look up and Pulgasari's picking through the rubble for something to eat. So they wield them. Yeah. He's like, he's like, I'm... He's like, I'm... Yeah. Kicking stuff over his little chubby feet. He's a builder. I'm hungry. Yeah. Doing a lot. So they wheel that lion gun over to him. They're like, and he eats it like a baguette. Chow down, big man. That was fun. He looks down at him like, what did you guys do? I don't know. It's like, should we keep feeding him? Because he keeps getting bigger whenever we feed him. And like, how big do we want our bogusari? Yeah. And so we cut to them all gathering up all their weapons, their farming tools, their cooking pots. I have a question about the logistics. All right You know the biology of a Pulgasari if that okay If he stops eating for any period of time does he then start getting smaller Like could we get him back to baby size? Yeah. Like, if he just goes on a hunger strike, does he shrink a little bit back down? And he just becomes a little homey again? Yeah. Well, that's kind of what happens. Hey, spoilers! We're getting there. We're almost there. but that's the interesting thing if something drastic didn't happen and he just doesn't eat does he shrink back down? I think he would die personally I would die if I didn't eat hmm you're not exactly a bold story I think they're worried about the damage he's going to do if he isn't fed it's like okay he's going to start trying to forage for his own and by forage for his own what do you mean? That's going to wreck all of our shit. Personally, I am on there when I'm hungry. And I will die if I don't eat. So, I get it. I'm on the same page just because you're here. I mean, I don't know. I'm looking at being like, I don't know how much iron we got in this country. You know what I mean? Like, I'm worried about this whole situation. You're not the only one. You only got some guns. Yeah. And so, yeah, they gather of all their stuff, just like the king made them do. their weapons, their farming tools, their cooking pots they bring them on a big pile, he scoops it up he eats it like a handful of M&M's this is like Mickey and the Beanstalk where the giant's eating pumpkins he's just throwing them in his mouth and Ami says this is my boy's little poetic twist to be honest, I wasn't expecting that from this and I was like oh, this is the price of a war machine the Bulgasari is a See? It's an unkillable monster. It's an unwinnable situation, right? Now you have to feed the guy. Wait, what you're saying is maybe dictators are not that bad. He was trying to keep us away from the Pogasari. He was trying to warn us. This thing's going to cost us money. We didn't realize what we had. But she's like, we can't let Pogasari eat all of our stuff, and we can't make a living. And this old villager next to us says, yeah, but Pogasari is our savior. We can't just let him starve. And so she goes to appeal to Polkasari while he's laying against the mountains. She'll be happy. Yep. And she's like, Polkasari, if you eat all of our farming tools, we can't make a living. Can you please exercise some self-control, you pig? He's like, I'm sorry. I eat because I'm sad. I'm sad because I eat. but um in reality all he does is put his head back like he's falling asleep he doesn't give a fuck he was like girl chill it's fine you're like we're good don't worry about it and Ami laments that she can't believe their savior would become their enemy and I have in my notes do you get it folks at home see it's the same thing that they went through with Jesus you know at one point they're like hey they're gonna crucify him and he's like, yeah, well, you know what? I was at a party with that motherfucker the other day, and everybody's hungry, and he's like, no, you know what? I'll teach you how to fish. I'll teach you how to bake instead of getting it for everybody at the party. Real dick move. So, you know what? Fuck him. But feeding everybody at a party is canonically one of the things Jesus did. Yeah, but it wasn't at that party, Vern. What has he done for me lately? Right. Yeah, we all remember that really great party. We all remember that banger of a party he threw. but after that he's like oh you should learn how to fish fuck you dude don't have a fucking yeah don't have a fucking party at 5pm and not feed everybody like fuck you dude you're a bad host so all I'm saying is like he's dead to me so he's dead to most people that's kind of the whole deal no if Jesus was a bonus When they tried to crucify me, just eat the nails. See, I don't hold the sorry Jesus. You look over and he's like, you're with me, right, Judas? Huh? Okay. I know if nobody got me, I know Judas got me. And, but she says, you know, when our country's gone, we'll have to take you to invade other countries, and then the whole world will be at war, and humanity will fall. She can't let that happen. and so she goes and she rings the big iron bell in the center of town and crawls up inside it and Paul Gasari comes walking over like ooh and he picks up that bell he crushes it in his hand and stuffs the whole thing in his mouth and shouldn't this and shouldn't this blood make him even stronger right? that's how that works right and because you know inside his mouth she prays for the sake of the farmers that Polkasari disappears from the earth. And so he starts chewing on her and Polkasari does a Fred Sanford. Yeah, his face goes whack-a-doodle. And he turns to stone like at the end of Psychomania and then he explodes. And we go to the sun coming up over the mountains. We see the wee baby Polkasari waddling around once again. And But then he turns into a blue orb of light and he flies over to Ami's body in the rubble. We close it on her face like her eyes are going to open and they don't. No, a tear runs down her cheek. A tear does run down her cheek, so she's sad that she's dead. Or she's alive, but sad because of it. She's going to wake up with a hankering for iron. Oh man, she's a pulgasari now? She's got the soul of a Pulgasari. Oh man, the sequel was Ms. Pulgasari? Yeah. I don't know if Pulgasari had like It Follows rules. It has whatever rules the scene needs, Mike. Yeah, It Swallows. I really wanted the last... Oh, that's right. That's right. To play the Baby Ghost theme song. It could have kicked it right here. it would have been perfect. I love that. But that was Kim Jong-il's joint. Pulga Thari. So do you recommend North Korea? Let's go around the horn here. Fern, you go first. Do you support North Korea's agenda? Yeah. I I knew it I support the decision of North Korea to waste a whole bunch of money on making a really nice kaiju costume um this movie is more interesting than good every time Pogasari himself is on screen I'm having a great time every time Pogasari is not on screen I'm asking where's Pogasari yes I know. Pooch-a-sari. Pooch-a-sari. Pooch-a-sari, yeah. Pooch-a-sari, exactly. The story of the making of Pooch-a-sari is fascinating. Like, that whole... The whole behind-the-scenes stuff is honestly more interesting than the movie itself. I think it's definitely... It's not the worst fashion movie I've seen, but it's not my favorite either. I would say, like, this is one, if you are the sort of person who watches things on one and a half speed, you can do that for this movie and you won't miss much. But I did have a great time talking about it with y'all. All right. And ultimately, that outweighs anything else. Oh, totally. The experience was worth it. The movie, it's on YouTube. You don't have to pay for it. The movie's on YouTube. Julie? I agree with every sentiment she said because it's like all of that I was I watched it and I was feeling the same way I'm like this needs more Pogasari in it all the time the tone shifts are like a lot there's a lot of like wailing and people getting beaten and then like you love Pogasari and it's great I was explaining it to my partner and I was having so much more fun explaining like all these things that happen because a lot of shit happens in this movie. There's a lot. It is not a lot of... Connective tissue. There's not a lot of connective tissue. There's not a lot of connective tissue, and that means there's also not a ton of wasted time. I feel like some of the wailing and beating people and stuff is a little bit of a waste of time, but shit happens. We move stuff along. There are three major battles. We have a whole lot of shit going on. So explaining this, the abridged version of it to somebody, is very exciting. And then not knowing the history of it, this is a great trivia thing to just drop on people. You'll impress your friends being able to talk about this movie. So I think it's worth watching for that in the sake of that, just knowing all these things. Yeah, that's it. That's great. I have a question for you, Jalera. Are you going to go back to your partner and be like, okay, I got some more news about Pogasari. You better sit down. Strap in. I didn't even begin to tell you the best part about Pogasari. And he's like, I'm already in bed sleeping. Isn't this weight? No, it cannot. Grab him by his mustache. I'll go next. We'll end on you, Mike, because I think you're the biggest question mark here. I never quite know where you're going to fall on this. I don't think it'll surprise anyone to know I fucking love this movie. Like, I really... Even the parts that are without Paul Vassari, I find the tonal shifts so ridiculous, and the characters really ridiculous in the way that they're depicted. It was a delightful time as far as movies made under threat of death. I did not expect to have as much fun with this movie as I did, but the something about this world that it seems to inhabit is just bizarre and nonsensical in a lot of ways, and then every time Pulgasari shows up, it looks like artwork that's on the side of a van. You know, this giant, like, hot glowing bull shows up and he's eating every metal thing inside. And like, you know, I'm an easy man to please. I don't ask for much. You know, you do some shit. Like I said, you know, Pulgasari in a flaming cage is all I play in the movie. It's a very simple kaiju movie. There's not a lot to it. And I'm coming from a place of extreme bias because it is well known that I absolutely love Kaiju movies. It's pizza for me. There is no bad Kaiju movie. But big thumbs up for me. I really had a good time. Oh. Oh, no. Maniacal laugh. I haven't had a pick lately, have I? No, that's true She has not had a pick in a while So we're going to have to talk about this God damn I am in trouble The goal is to apparently get me to quit the show So there we go Yep And so the two of you need to get at me privately And we'll get you on the schedule with something And uh Mike What about you? Do you recommend the North Korean agenda? You know, for me, there wasn't enough wailings and beatings, so I was kind of missing. You wanted more violence against the elderly. When Olga Sarri was on screen, you were asking, where are the wailings and beatings? Yeah, there's like too much of the monster. And I was just like, nah, can we beat some more grandmas? What's going on over there? Can we feel something? Please, for the love of God, make me feel something. We beat a grandma or something. Look, it's clear that this movie was made under duress. This was a man in prison who was like, this is the last thing I'm going to do before I get the fuck out of this country. And every minute of that is showing on screen to me where he is just like, this is a loveless endeavor. And I'm going through the motions. That being said, it's an interesting time capsule and certainly worth a watch if you're interested at all about North Korea, which I always am. I find it the most fascinating country on Earth. So I would recommend it for educational purposes. It should be shown in schools is what I'm saying. We should have children watch this. World history. Like on rainy days in school, why was I always watching Little Giants? I could have been watching Pulgasari. I could have wheeled the big boxy TV around and put on Pulgasari. Yeah. We'll learn some lessons at the end of it. See? Dictators are pretty good. Yeah. Also, I wanted to ask Mike and Fern, because I'm sure Fern, you're aware of this too. What do you think about the take regarding this movie that it is allegorical for Big Daddy Kim? Kim Il-sung. because there's people who interpret this as Paul Bessari is representative of Kim Il-sung because he helped the revolution and then immediately his knees turned against the people. He took over and they ended up in the exact same position they were in before because of him. And people have talked about that, that that's kind of what Shin Sang-ho was doing with this movie is sort of slyly doing this, like, your daddy's a bitch. and that Kim Jong-un, or I'm sorry, Kim Jong-il didn't pick up on that at all. It was just like, monster movie! Well, like, it doesn't, like, you could make that argument, but I feel like if that argument, like, that argument would be better supported if we actually have, if we actually have some foreshadowing, more foreshadowing of Pulgasari going to be a problem. Like, when Pulgasari comes back in, like, adult form, everybody is really chill with him. And we don't actually see him eating any of, like, he's not eating any of their tools, he's not causing problems in camp. It's perfectly fine until suddenly it isn't. So I think that, like, that may have intended, like, there may have been some sort of intent to be a dig. but then again the whole story of Pulgasari is that this is like it is an insurmountable problem I think that the whole I think the whole like oh no we have to we have to worry that it's going to turn on us as to do with like the golem of Prague and like that kind of like more folkloric like what happens with monsters when a monster is a good guy they turn into a bad guy they have to turn into a bad guy at the end and like that sort of fairy tale kind of a story. So I would say that like that might have been on his mind but it's not like it is it's not done very well because like Mike said he's just going through the motions because he wants to make this movie to appeal to the psychopathic man child in order to get a birth for freedom. Yeah I imagine him sitting at a Q&A one day when somebody asks of that and he goes yeah sure man whatever anyway so their names are Colt, Rocky and Tum Tum. These boys are ninjas. There's three of them. We always said three ninjas, four movies. That's what we're going for. Get ready. Now Julie the only reason I didn't include you in that question was because you were not aware of the background of this movie before watching it. No. But I did write in my notes that like, oh, there's some good allegories here about greed and war and liberation and I'm not going to write an essay, but I could. You know? Absolutely could. Yeah. But I think we have a more important question. We do? Since they're now re-releasing Pulgasari into the theaters at AMCs, what is the limited edition popcorn bucket for the re-release? So, who wants to go first? I got one. The king's hat. Oh, cool. So for those of you who have not seen the movie, if you've seen, like, K-dramas and things like that, the royal hat that's allowed to be worn by the king and the crown prince, it basically looks like a chef's hat with a mortarboard on top and then, like, a curtain of beads. So you turn one of those upside down, and you've got a popcorn bucket. You eat all the popcorn, and you turn it right side up, You'll put it on your hat. And everybody's like, down in front. God damn, you can't wear that thing in the theater. Come on. Like a fantastic car all over again. Oh, I got one. Technically, I guess I got two. It's a set. I'll take the second one then because I don't have one. Share. Share, man. Share. On the spot. On the spot. I was thinking the Lion Gun and the General Gun. You know, if you're here with a date, you can share popcorn with the two barrels of the General Gun. But if you're sitting here alone, like most people who'd go see Pulgasari, if you're Kim Jong-un, you can eat the Lion Gun. And the cool part is, you can start chomping into the actual gun itself when you're done. Okay. Mine is a big-ass hole, you know? Yeah. A big-ass hole. Filled with popcorn. But at the bottom of it, there's a little rice homie at the very bottom. That's like a bogusari, and it's just made of rice. And better not squish it, kids, because that is edible. And don't get any blood on it. Don't feed it iron. And he's got real gremlin rules, if you think about it. He's got, like, mogwai rules for this thing, you know? Don't feed it iron. Don't get blood on it. What do you think, Julie? God damn you. I hate that. I hate coming up with shit on the spot. So my idea is probably a bucket that is, like, Pugoster's head, face. Because I thought it was just so well designed. And you could hold on to the horns as, like, you know, a little handle carrier. But the cool thing is that it's, like, heated. So it keeps your popcorn warm for longer. So, like, once you heat it up, it, like, stays hot, you know? Oh, that's cool. Because it's on fire. You thought you wouldn't have a good idea? That's great. That's one. I like the idea that, you know, I always, now that I think about it, I would like a popcorn bucket with handles. Just bring that thing up to my face. Hey, you wear, like, a trough? Yeah. Yeah, and you know what? Your hands don't get all messy with that corn, you know? You just get a face right in it. I work well under pressure, I guess. Just don't fucking ask me where Bobby and DeVito fit in, because I have actually been thinking about that, and I still think about it. So don't ask me. I think you just heard that sound, Julie. Oh, my God, no. I summoned it. How do we? Like the Kool-Aid man. Hey, Bobby. Oh, yeah. How do we think Bobby and DeVito would fit into the world of 1985's Pulgasari? So who wants to go? first for this one. We'll let Julie go last. No, I have to go last. Oh, go ahead. Okay. You know, the straight arrow comes ripping through Korea, heading down the road, and Pogasari sees this little metal car going by and he has to reach for it. He grabs it, he pops it in his mouth, but of course it's the straight arrow. Bobby and DeVito jump out the sides before he can eat them. And what he doesn't expect is it's like eating an edible. You know, there's so much weed in the straight arrow that it just completely chills him out and he ends up laying against the mountain with his new friends Bobby and DeVito. And they basically smoked out Pulgasari. It's the one thing that could stop him. Oh, shit. Oh, you thought he had the munchies before. They doomed the world. Mine is not dissimilar. I'm thinking this is less putting them into the movie and more like an AU. So Bobby's beloved uncle dies of a hunger strike in prison but before he did he built a little homie out of rice and it is among his effects when Bobby goes to identify the body. And so this little statuette Bobby puts it on the dashboard of the straight arrow and he's sitting there looking out over the L.A. Valley, popping on a joint, and as the weed smoke hits, the little figure comes to life, and it immediately starts diving for the ashtray to eat all the butts. And this is Puffasari, who must eat as much weed as possible, which could, of course, lead to widespread devastation, because who could imagine California without any need in it whatsoever? It has to be stopped. It has to be. Well, look, I don't know if you guys knew this, but the straight arrow and Bobby DePito are the stuff of legends. And there is one way that you stumble. Unfortunately, it's a little bit different and more disgusting than a Pulgasari. so as a young Korean boy was out trying to find a lonely spot near the river he saw a hole and he shot some other bodily fluids into that hole and a little I've enjoyed Julie's face trying to keep it clean a little toy van comes out And it's like, whatever you do, don't give that thing weed or cum, okay? Because it'll just grow and it'll grow and it'll grow. And it'll start abducting women. And it'll get into van chases. And it brings weed to our country. Whatever you do, don't do it. But people just can't resist. And they've just been thriving on the California coast for centuries at this point. Just waiting. Waiting for more unsuspecting. Man. All right, Julie, what do you think? Oh, God damn it. I think Bobby is teaching English in Korea the gap year. We don't know how they meet. Okay. But now I know how they meet. Gap year, gap decade. Yeah, he's having a gap life. And he goes to Korea. And what we don't know is that Jovito is actually a bullgozer. That's why he's, like, such a little man. Oh! When Danny found him, he was even stronger. He started as a little homie? He started as just as a little homie, just as a little Danny, you know? And, like, he just got bigger. He kept feeding him more and more bullshit until he got bigger and bigger. And now he's the size that he is. And, you know, he will keep growing until infinity. That's it. I loved it. You also gave me a new saying. I'm going to be like, living that hashtag gap life, bro. Living that gap life. Well, thanks again for joining us on another episode of Grindbin. Anything anybody wants to promote, I'm just throwing out there. Gladly. So, if you want to read what I write about monsters for the Pathfinder role-playing game, the idea of the Kool-Aid Man as an out-of-control summons is definitely on my shortlist. You can check me out at thecreaturecodex.tumblr.com. 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Get our bonus show, the mini bin. we just dropped a really extensive commercial roulette series on there it was almost like a three hour show which goes into the origin of the video rental store which is I found that really interesting I love that story of how that started it was a real human fly type of thing where like it's just some guy and then suddenly some scam happens and it's a billion dollar industry so So it's definitely... Damn your way to the top of the one of those situations? It was one of the most... It was kind of the research was happening live while we're recording, and it just goes down a rabbit hole. So I'm going to tell you, like, the birth of the VHS rental store, the video rental store, is a lot weirder than you would ever think. So check it out on the mini-bin. I love that. Two bucks. It's like the birth of the Bulgastia is more weirder than you would ever think. That's right. That's right. The theme of the show. Somebody bled it all and suddenly... Now, we'll just go... We'll go around the horn real quick. Just one thing that you want to recommend here before we end the show. So, Bobby, I think you already had one. Oh, yeah. I started to talk earlier about how I began playing a cell phone game at the request of a friend of mine. It's called Godzilla Battle Line. And it's been a fun little... I don't want to call it a time waster. but like I said it's sort of a you build a little you build a little squad of different kaiju from across the genre I don't know how they worked out the rights for that but you know I got my little team with like Jaguar and Rodan and Gamera and all that shit and you just sort of send them to battle it's this aerial view of these different locations so they're stomping around crushing battleships and fighting each other fun little game you know fun little game on the android I've been really having a lot of good time with that. I'm teetering on it suddenly taking up way too much of my time, so I think I'm going to have to back off on it a little bit. It's a little too in my wheelhouse. Aside from that, the other thing I wanted to talk about is I started reading a pretty interesting book called Cannibal Error, which is anti-film propaganda and the video Nasty's Panic of the 1980s. I downloaded it on Kindle. It's got a pretty cool cover, too. What did you say the name of that was? Cannibal Error Cannibal Error I'm really early in the book so far It's still kind of setting the scene of what the early 80s was like In Britain when VHS was first starting to hit And the different ways that Places tried to monetize that You know, interesting things Like bars having video Jukeboxes Where people would gather around To watch short little clips And They would sell these VCR setups to clubs with like hour long tapes with music videos and footage and stuff like that that they just play on a loop on a VHS tape and I'm trying to imagine I was far too young at the time I was like one you know and I lived in the United States but I can't imagine going to a club and they're just sort of playing a video tape on a loop that everyone's dancing to and after an hour that just resets so ultimately the point of the book is it's going to get to the video nasties and that crazy panic that happened throughout Britain. I wanted to learn more about that, because I do love learning about those things. But really good book so far. You can get that on Kindle. Alright, Cannibal Error. Alright. Who's up next? Fern, you got something? Yeah, sure. The book that I just finished reading is also a film book, and that is, I just finished the first volume of the two-volume Keep Watching the Skies by Bill Warren, which is a retrospective of 50s science fiction. It covers from, like, 1949 to 1962, and it has reviews of every movie that was released in American theaters that was even remotely science fiction. So we have the big hits, like, you know, Forbidden Planet, The Thing, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, but we also have references to, like, the Jungle Jim movies that have some sort of base-minded element. Or The Fantastic World of Jules Verne by Carol Zeeman, which I will also recommend. The films of Carol Zeeman, The Fabulous World of Jules Verne, and Baron Munchausen, they are amazing movies. They were made in the late 50s, early 60s with a combination of animation and live action. But the fabulous world, Jules Verne, a.k.a. Invention for Destruction, the whole movie is designed to look like a 19th century linotype, even the actors. So their costumes and their makeup is designed to make it look like they are a wood carving. and it's like incredibly stylized. These movies don't look like anything else that was ever made and I highly recommend that. All right. Well, Julie looks nervous that I'm going to call her. No, it's not going to put me on the spot today. I'll go first. Okay. I've got two quick ones. One, so I mentioned this on another one about the soundtrack for it, but I did go see Epic, the Elvis movie, Elvis Presley in concert by Baz Luhrmann. It's a documentary of a live show that really kind of one series of live show when Elvis was doing a residency in Vegas post-movie career and also his tour afterwards. And I got to tell you, it's an incredible movie, incredible experience. If you just want, like, everything sucks right now. So if you just want some joy and, like, good music and, like, honestly, really good vibes, It is really just a nice watch. And I'm not even like a huge, huge Elvis guy, but I've got to tell you the level of talent is just incredible because he cuts between practice sessions and live performances. And, like, I cannot believe how good Elvis is just with a mic in his hand. Also, strangely really funny. It's great. He's a funny guy. Definitely recommend it. He is really a funny guy. So recommend that. And then also, a very random one. I have not had much time to watch movies lately, so I've either been watching Clippers games or this YouTube channel with this guy named LJ. It's just called LJ, and it's some Gen Z kid in Atlanta that reviews food, but I find him so charming in that he is very dedicated to expanding his palate, but does not know what he's eating, but he'll go ahead and try it. And so he has, like, videos where he goes on Facebook Marketplace and buys food from people, and he, like, finds himself, you know, going to some Mexican mom's kitchen and going to her house and eating there because he bought a sandwich off, you know, her Facebook for five bucks. That's pretty dope. That's awesome. He is very charismatic and entertaining. I cannot recommend it enough. So go check out LJ LJ, just two letters LJ on YouTube So I've been watching a bunch of his videos Having a good time with that How about you Julie? Got anything? Well I can give a recipe Or I can tell you there's a free chess app So I recently started So there's a free one That's called L-I-Chess L-I-C-H-E-S-S The logo is like a little horse It's a white with a little circle, and it's a horse. And it's free, and you can play against the green girl. I believe that's called a knight. It's really great. Yeah, I know. It looks like a horse. I learned that because I got this super short. But it's great. It's great because it's free, and it'll analyze the game, and it's just really fun. Otherwise, make your own granola at home if you buy granola and eat it because it's really more efficient and better to make your own granola at home, and it's super easy. Okay, but you said you had a recipe. Yeah. Okay, oats. I like oats and corn flakes. Put those with bad boys in there, and then your selection of nuts, which of mine is cashews, pecans, almond slices, and pepitas if you got them, and then cinnamon, vanilla, a little bit of oil, and honey or maple syrup or whatever you want to sweeten it. You just mix all that bad boy together, 325, stir it every 10, 15 minutes until it gets the right colors, like a golden brown. Solid. You got like a bucket of super good granola that has the exact ratio of like nuts to oats that you prefer because you made it. You can put other shit in there too, like coconut and whatever. But yeah, it's way better. It's great. And you were worried about the recommendation? You killed it on everything, Julie. Every time they call on you in the last minute. It's just sweating profusely. Oh, my God. You need to give up my roll and recipe. I know. Are you worried the listeners won't like it? I'm worried, yes. I'm worried the listeners won't like me. Yes. It's my primary fear in life. Everybody knows if you're on the show, the funny is coming with you. So we've established that every time. Well, thanks again for joining us, everybody. Bobby's frozen. Somebody just give us a last slide and we'll get out of here. Bobby, no. Hey, Bobby, I got the money. Yeah, I need the money. You're a hooker. You've got a gun. I don't know. You've got to play a little game, baby. Hi, here you go. Hi, here you go. Hello, girl. Hi, this morning. Mrs. Los Angeles How the hell was living planned? I'm sorry And maybe daddy was about to kill himself Because he couldn't get us up anymore What is she named? This first guy Come on, just step on the gas before we get creeped And more