Dan Abrams: Why People Hate Cops & What the Media Gets Wrong

Well, in this episode, Dan Abrams, you know, from all the cop shows, he's in, also Rudy's got the news, and we'll do all that right after this. Hey, this is Adam Karola from the Adam Karola Show. Well, if you care about predictions, you care about props, and nobody does props like bet online for years. We've been the home of legitimate sports betting with deep markets, sharp odds, and player props that reward real insight. From start of the game to the final whistle, bet online gives you live betting, instant updates, and in-game predictions that move as the action unfolds. Plus, elevate your play with bet online casino and VIP rewards built for serious players. Prediction markets, fall of the conversation, bet online defines it. Bet online, the game starts here. With movies like Interstellar, Dream Girls, and Gladiator, and TV shows like Survivor, SpongeBob SquarePants, The Fairly Odd Parents, and Ghosts, Pluto TV is always free. Pluto TV, stream now, pay never. Hey, call my wife. 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Yeah, interesting. And I'm just looking down at your bio, and I'm looking at a restaurant, and NYC, and all the sort of true crime stuff, and all that. It's a weird, you probably never assume this is where you're going to end up, right? No, no. You look, you know, life takes you in interesting directions, right? And you know what I've tried to do is make sure that I'm enjoying what I'm doing at this point in my life. I mean, and that I'm managing it. You know, I mean, for example, you know, I don't do the News Nation show anymore. Not because I didn't enjoy doing it. I did, but it was taking up more than half my day, and I'm still with ABC News, and I still host shows for A&E, and I still have my Serious Radio show, and I have on patrol live, and I have a restaurant, and I have, you know, it's just, it was just too much stuff. And I'm really, you know, at a point where I'm trying to make sure that all the stuff is stuff that I really are passionate about, and passionate about on a daily basis. The cops? Well, we should get into cops, and boy, what it's like being a cop these days. It's so insane. Well, and, and, but that's, that's kind of the cool thing about on patrol live. It's not like the show cops, right? Right. Cops is like a highlight reel, right? Right. It was like, here's some crazy stuff that happened with police officers. Boom, boom, with music and this. This is like watching between eight and 10 departments in real time. So it's like walking up on a traffic stop where the cop doesn't know exactly who's in the car, has to approach the vehicle in a particular way. Other calls, you know, they get a domestic call, right? 99.9% of the time these domestic calls are, ah, separate them. But you know what? In that .01% of times, they're the most dangerous calls that cops can have. And so we're looking at it through the, you know, the eyes of the cops as they're out there. And if look, if you, if you appreciate what our cops do every day, the show is interesting. If you don't, I think that it probably will make you appreciate better what our cops deal with every day in terms of everything from the uncertainty to the occasional danger to the occasional hero, heroism to the occasional boredom. I mean, it's like a little bit of everything. Well, okay, I have a million thoughts. When I was young, if you were, if I was like in my car with the windows rolled up and a cop drove by, I would turn the stereo down. Like almost just reflexively like, uh-oh, it's a cop. And by the way, if I was smoking a joint, I would eat the joint when the cop drove past. By the way, we see that happen a lot on the show, by the way. People try and eat. You know, they get pulled over and suddenly the cops like, hey, man, let me see. And you see all the green coming out of their mouth. Like they tried to eat the weed. But now we got cops and people are throwing snowballs at them and jumping up and down on the hood of the car and dumping buckets of water on them. And I'll tell you the heartbreaking one for me. Every once in a while, see footage of getting some eight or nine year old kid into the act of throwing the snowball at the cop or dumping water on them or going up and kicking them in the shin. And it's like, oh, God, have we lost it as a society? And then also to everyone, I would say almost 100% of cop shootings would go away if there was 100% compliance. If they literally just complied, it's extremely and exquisitely rare that someone gets hurt or killed with 100% compliance. Well, that's true. And you know what else is true is that it is incredibly rare that a police officer ever fires his or her weapon in the line of duty, ever. Right? People think of, oh, you know, the cops, they go around shooting their weapons. The reality is it's something like, you know, it's below 30% of police officers in their entire career having ever fired their weapon in the line of duty. And it's just a reminder that, you know, sometimes the news media portrayal of cops tends to be officer involved shooting, right? Every once in a while, there'll be a local story about heroism, which is great, but they tend to be local. They tend to be small. The big national stories involve police officer involved shooting, typically situation where particular community is upset or angry at police officer. And then these wild stereotypes come out about cops and this and that. And it is completely separated from the reality of what actually happens. No, I completely agree. And I feel like news outlets are complicit in this because they sort of stoke the flames. And that's it's kind of two ways. One is going way over the top with the certain community officer shooting. And then the other one, there's two ways you can hear. Okay, I have a sister. I don't know if you have a brother or sister. I have a sister. Yeah. Okay, you have a sister. There's there's two ways I can make a point by saying dad and mom like her better than me. One is I can tell you all the times they took her to Disneyland. And the other is ignoring any of the times they took me to Disneyland. It's kind of it's kind of two you have to do two things. So you have to take black folk getting shot by white cops and talk about it endlessly. But if there's ever a white guy that's shot by white cop or black cop or just a white guy got shot, you bury that you never bring it up. So now you have a narrative. If you just reported everything equally, then people would have some context or not at all. But they only go one direction. The worst shooting that's interesting. I haven't brought up in a long time. Dawson, what was Mark Garagas's guy? Was it was it Shaver in New Mexico? And I don't know if it's Daniel Shaver. The worst cop shooting of all time. I mean, literally by a landslide was this guy. Was it Daniel Shaver? Was Daniel Shaver who was in, do you know this story out of New Mexico? I think it was New Mexico. Could have been Arizona. Is that a Mesa, Arizona, La Quinta in? Is that story familiar to you, Dan? No. Right. Because the news didn't cover it. And I won't show you the footage because it's gruesome. But this guy, his job was to kill birds with like a pellet gun at big box stores. He would like, I don't know, the pigeons would get in and live in the rafters or whatever. And he had like a pellet gun and he would exterminate them with a pellet gun. And somebody saw him and his pellet gun like through a window to La Quinta Inn and called the cops. And the SWAT team showed up and they banged on the door and they said, like, come out. And he didn't really know what was going on because he didn't understand what was going on. He was just wearing no shirt and basketball trunks. And he came out into the hallway and the SWAT team told him to lay down on his belly. He wasn't holding a gun. He didn't have anything. He just laid down in the hallway and they started giving him weird, all competing commands like, crawl toward me, but put your hands up, but crawl toward me. And he's laying on the ground sobbing for his life. Like literally, I don't know what's going on. I don't know what I did. I'm not doing anything. And they were screaming at him the whole time. And eventually they just blew him away. And he was on his belly in a hallway of a hotel room with nothing near him, just wearing shorts. And they blew him away. And the cops didn't do any time. It's the worst cop shooting ever in history. And no one knows the story because it was like a white guy got shot. So they didn't, you know, the new CNN didn't care. I'll put it to you that way. And it's not, I'm not trying to turn this into a racial thing, but I am just saying, if CNN is not going to report the worst cop shooting and only do these, then you're going to give the nation a idea of something that isn't so. And that's what you've done. And then actually you'll cause more problems. All right, I'll get off my high horse for a second, Dan. You do about everything, write books, but I didn't know about the restaurateur part. Yeah, I've been involved in a couple of restaurants in the past in New York. And this is the first one I've started by myself. So this one is just me. And it's called, it's called Danny's. And that was had to be convinced to call it that. But anyway, but yeah, it's an American, an all American wine list in New York. We only serve American wine. Make America Great Again. And that's not actually our motto, but I've always thought that that's funny. But, but, but yeah, we serve a great sort of, you know, nicks of crispy rice tuna and classic American dishes. And it's fun. Look, I only looked near my house. I only looked within a quarter mile of where I live and found the space, found a great chef and GM and was off to the races. I just couldn't imagine doing that for a business. It just sounds the margin sounds so tight. It's you know, they are they are all the licensing and all the city and health commissioner coming in and measuring the temperature of your mayonnaise every 20 minutes. That's exactly right. No, you're exactly right. They come in and everything is about the temperature of this and that. And we just we just had the Department of Health in and they do these surprise visits right where they just show up and they start assessing like you know where was their open food and what was it next to and this and you know fortunately we got an A but it was but it looked this there it is it is constantly putting out fires. Oh my God and staff. I mean, when you open it in a world where people don't want to work anymore. Well, I got to tell you, people who work in the restaurant industry work their butts off. I know, you know, like the people, everyone from the kitchen to the front of staff. They are hustlers man, they are they are working hard and you know it's it's something to see when you see how how many hours without a break. A lot of these people are working. I'm going to talk to my staff here for a second. Andrew, something popped in my head, which is I like to tweet might just be up on the Internet. But it was essentially an LA is one of these street vendors, but it's now at the point where guy basically opened a Chipotle on a sidewalk. Like it's literally tins of beef and chicken and pork and you're just going to like it's they're literally opening a restaurant on the sidewalk and every time I think about the codes and the health inspectors and measuring the mayonnaise and you know you left the pickles out 10 minutes too long and then I realize it's that or you can just start serving food on the sidewalk. And the health inspector walk past you on the way to Danny's place. So they can see if they can bust you with a code violation right. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what the requirements are if there any for the I've got to believe that they've got some level of you think no no listen first off. I know what in what universe could you sell chicken on the street with some inspection or some level of something. There isn't anything not in Los Angeles. Now listen, if you are in New York and you got the falafel wagon, you know, maybe you got to get a business license. This is I'll show this to you, Dan. All right, I believe it. This is yeah, I mean, I'm you know, I've eaten from these street vendors for a lot of years. Well, like I said, New York has all the wagons and they seem to have at least business licenses. This is just LA. This is just out on the van. Okay, okay, sorry. That's different. What you're showing now is different than what I was. I'm picturing like actually official. No, no, that's people you're talking about some folks setting up a kitchen outside and just saying, hey, you want to join my barbecue, but pay for it. I get it. That's different. Yeah, this is people just out on the street in Van eyes, but just doing Chipotle style. Yeah, you want some rice, you want to you want to you want the beans, you want to refried beans and they're just. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's the equivalent in New York is we have people who chop up mango and they sell the chopped mango and I always, you know, on the one hand, I love a good mango. And on the other hand, I think to myself, you know, I have no idea where this actually came from. But yeah, no, no, they listen. First off, the guys got a rusty machete. They do it over here to their whacking up. It's a it's a weird relationship that people have with food because this guy just got himself a whole Chipotle deal over here. Probably saved $6 or $4 or whatever it is. But I don't know. Isn't that the best four bucks you're ever going to spend? Yeah, not eat off the street. It's funny. Funny, my partner and I always have debates about ordering sushi, right? Because she insists on ordering from places that have like a really nice restaurant involved with it. She won't order sushi from a place that's like a kind of hole in the wall. And I'm like, come on, if the sushi is fresh and it tastes good, like what's the who knows if the the nice place is actually that clean in the kitchen, you don't know. Right. Why? What are these these debates about where to order from for that exact reason? Yeah, I'm picturing the restaurants and the guys standing and cooking. And I mean, I've been behind the scenes because I do a lot of comedy clubs and comedy clubs are just restaurants, you know, that's how you know. Those guys and women standing there. I mean, I worked a grill at McDonald's and that you want it like you want a job where the, you know, you're getting an hourly wage where an hour feels like it lasts three days, stand over a hot griddle and just stand there and cook. Well, I'll tell you a job that sucked that I had in college, which was delivering pizzas. I delivered pizzas for a while in college. And the reason it sucked is not because it's so terrible to deliver pizzas. It was because of the weight that a lot of the people treat you. And, you know, it was like, you know, back in the day where it was like, you know, guarantees about a time and then people would call you back to take the pizza back and curse at you or this and that and then not tip you. And it was like, you know, the and you know, by the way, there is something about this that reminds me of the way sometimes people treat cops coming back to the cops thing, right. Which is like, you know, you'll find people on the street saying to these cops, you know, you work for me. I pay your salary. I want to talk to your super. This is like entitlement thing that happens. And I'm certainly not not not comparing the two jobs, but I am saying that the way that some people deal with people in particular jobs is just awful. Oh, yeah. OK, let me add to that. They don't first off the people that do this, whether it's with cops or with pizza delivery guys or the person at the airport is sort of explaining that they shut the door and you can't get on the flight or whatever. They're usually stupid people because they're basically. No, what I'm saying is is like when you take a kid and you take the kid to a dentist, the kid gets angry at the dentist because it hurts, you know, for them to do the filling, but they don't realize that, you know, they're doing their job. Number one, like they're sort of angry at the people that are giving them the news, you know what I mean? And that's not it drives me nuts when somebody behind the counter of an of an Arby's tells the woman they're out of honey dipping sauce and they start swinging on that person. That person is not in charge of inventory. By the way, we have this on the on patrol life. The cops will respond to a call at fast food more than once. Someone whining about the fact that they didn't get the order that they had been promised and they went back there and then they're fighting with the people behind the thing because they're saying that the, you know, the burger was cold or that whatever it is as opposed to just politely going and asking or having a normal conversation. And then the cop, by the way, and now to compound it, you're now wasting police officers time. By calling them to this kind of scene, but we have seen it, you know, we've seen it more than once fights at fast food places. Oh, well, I'll tell you the guy who, you know, it's like anyone who ever had a paper route when they were a kid will tell you that when it comes time to pay up. That's when you get the guy who's like, we threw it once and the sprinklers ruined it. So I shouldn't have to pay for that Wednesday from four months ago. You know, it's like, it's a buck 29 just hand him two bucks. You know, can we like the guy who drops off the newspaper, the guy behind the counter to fast food place or the guy dropping off the pizza is the lowest paid person in the organization. And that's the person you're throwing throwing punches at. That's the person you're screaming at. That's about that. It's so insane when people do that to another essentially poor person. And, you know, or in the paper route scheme at some 11 year old kid, you know what I mean? And you're, you're trying to work the price down a buck 50. I don't get those people. They have to be dumb or there's something missing with them. That's what you do. And it drives me. Look, it could be at the Home Depot or it could be the pizza thing. Like, you know, you are the, you are the poorest person who works for Domino's if you're delivering pizza. And when they try to, and then also I love the grift like, well, it said 20 minutes, it's been 23 minutes. So I should just take your stupid $8 pizza and go eat it. Would you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a, it is. Look, and, you know, look, part of this is just these are people who are pissed off at their own lives, right? Yes. In many cases and who are just angry at the world and they decide to take it out on people that they interact with. And by the way. Well, right. They, yes. Well, they take it out. The. On people that they can take it out. Yeah. But, but yes. Well, here, no, what they take it out on, it's essentially like you go in and you get a screening and the nurse says they found a tumor on your lung and you punch her. Right. Because she's the one who told you. Right. Right. And so the, the state and the city pass a bunch of rules about having to, you know, you have to have car insurance when you drive in the state of California. Oh. Or your tabs can't be expired or whatever it is. They, legislature makes all the rules and the governor, governor and the mayor and everyone else. And then at some point it trickles down to the cop who pulls you over, but he didn't even make the rules. Well, he's just enforcing the rules and you're angry at him. And that's what these cops say a lot too, right? Right. They're like, look, I'm sorry that you don't like the law. You know, you get these sovereign citizens, right? You know, these people, you know, these people who claim that they're travelers and they're not actually drivers and that the laws don't actually apply to them. And this and that. And they talk in circles and it happens a lot. I mean, it's like all this crazy stuff where, you know, people feel like they got their, you know, law degree at you have tube. Right. And it's like, you know, you know, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's difficult for the cops. But their response is exactly what you just said. Talk to the legislature. We are enforcing the laws. You know, look, even drug laws, right? And look, and I'll tell you that you will see now in a lot of departments, something that's fundamentally changed from which was the case five years ago, even places where marijuana is illegal. What the cops will say in the vast majority of the cases, unless there's another crime, hey man, just throw that out right here and just stomp on it. And, you know, I, you know, it's still illegal in the state. Just get rid of it, but we're not giving tickets. We're not enforcing it, etc. But look, that's another case, right? Where the legislature still has these drugs as being illegal. And, you know, the legislature ought to deal with it and not put the cops in the crappy situation of having pulled over a vehicle and, you know, now they've got a technical crime, right? And that the good news is that they figured out ways to, you know, kind of non-enforce it. Let's talk about true crime. Women love it. They love all those murder stories. They love all the stories of the wives murdering the husbands and the husbands murdering the wives. And I was thinking about this philosophically the other day, you know. They don't, women statistically don't engage in murder, but they love thinking about it and looking at it and consuming it, you know. But it's not, they like it not because they're thinking, man, I could, you know, they like the layers. Well, but hold on Dan, before you defend women. All right. I was thinking about it. Guys, it's like pretty simple. What do they do? Well, they like cars. All right. They like sports. Yeah. They like porn, but it's all stuff they like, but they consume it because they like it. I think women like murder. I don't, I don't know. What else falls under the category of constant consumption, but you don't like it? Well, there are a lot of things, you know, you go to a horror movie, not because you love to see what happens to people. You go to horror movies because of the way you feel when you're at a horror film, right? Okay. You like the excitement of it, right? You like, ah, and then, but again, but I'm not saying horror movies are necessarily like true crime, but what I think women in particular like about true crime is there's a lot of, it's like a puzzle. Yes. And you're putting it together and trying to figure out, does this match up? Does this, is, is this believable? Can I trust that witness, et cetera? Yes. And then they like effectively, you know, we have a, you know, because now not only do I, did I start law and crime, but now we own court TV as well. And I can tell you that you look at the, you know, the discussion groups and in the big cases, a lot of it relates to fighting over what does the evidence mean? What ought this mean? Is this a big deal, et cetera? And I think that people, and you're right, there's no doubt that the higher percentage of people who are into true crime are women. It tends to be middle-aged women in particular. And I do think that it's less about liking murder. Although I'll tell you this, remember the Scott Peterson case? Ah, they love it. Okay. All right. Here's why, here's why I think part of the reason I think the Scott Peterson case was so interesting to people. This is the guy who was accused of killing his pregnant wife, Lacey. This is like almost 20 years ago at this point. But the reason I think people were so fascinated with that one is the guy was really good looking and he seemed so nice. And there had never been anything in his past to suggest. And I think part of it was like, whoa, that guy? I know tons of people like that guy. Could he have actually done it? And I think that was kind of part of what led to the fascination. No, there's an interesting, no, it's true. Oprah, when she talks to all her dumb viewers, she goes, if it could happen here, it could happen anywhere. And then all the women go, I live anywhere. Oh my God. Oh my God. I remember women do that with their brain. My ex-wife during COVID, when there was a story out of like New Jersey or something like where it was like a 14 year old boy got COVID and had to have his toe amputated or something. And the picture they chose of the 14 year old boy was him and his basketball uniform holding a basketball. And my wife saw it and she went, Sonny, who's our kid. And she goes, Sonny has a basketball too. It's like, yeah. All right. Come on. No, but she was, now listen, she was feeling out loud. But when the brain was going, that could be my son with the basketball. He has a basketball. Like they're saying that could have been me or us, you know. And the number one thing they do with all the women stuff and Oprah does it all the time. So it's, oh, for the grace of God, that could have been us. That could have been you. You know, the Scott Peterson thing too is he had a girlfriend on the side. Right. Exactly. Which is another, that's another, it was a perfect, it was like created in a lab to get women interested in crime. Lacey was pregnant. Was she pregnant when she was killed? Yes, she was, she was, she was eight months pregnant. Eight months. Eight months. Eight months. Yeah. Come on. And it was like created in a woman's lab to get women fired up about a case. And by the way, Mark Garagos, friend of mine was, was Peterson's attorney for a while. And still thinks he, he, if you talk to Garagos about it, he would tell you, he would give you an alternative view that, well, you know, would be fat, you know, interesting. That's all I know. Mark Garagos effectively stopped talking to me after he appeared on a show that I was co-hosting with Nancy Grace about, I don't know, six or seven years ago. And we talked about the, we had a discussion about the, the Scott Peterson case and it got so heated that he either almost walked off or did walk off the set. But, you know, look, he, I don't understand. I sat through the whole case. You know, I mean, look, I don't, you don't want to revisit the Scott Peterson case for your show, but I will tell you that after sitting through the whole case, there is no other explanation other than Scott Peterson did it. And, you know, and in fact, it's funny. I bumped into the guy who's the head of the innocence project because recently in the last year at the innocence project in LA took the case of Scott Peterson. And I said to the guy, I said, man, you know, you guys can do real work where you can actually make a difference and you do representing people who didn't do it, right? Not people about technicalities, not people about, oh, well, you know, the jury instruction was this. I'm saying people who actually didn't do it. That's what you guys are good at. And you guys are focused on the Scott Peterson case. And he starts by saying, well, you know, I don't know much about the case. And then, of course, like starts rattling off all the details of the case anyway. But no, I'm with you. It's, you know, look, they all, all the groups start off with some sort of noble aspirations. And then they always turn into something else. You know what I mean? It starts off ACLU's gone a little awry and Sierra Club. And Black Lives Matter, they'll start off with something and then they turn into something else. And it's kind of sad. But I mean, I think we're going to see more and more of that with all the hospice stuff and LA and the learning centers and the grift and the corruption, you know, and all the homeless, you know, advocates and stuff. They'll start off with something noble. And then they turn into a business, you know, I don't know, like Big Farmer or something. They start off as something and they kind of, at some point, you become a business. Well, and this is why organizations that do like really important work, particularly for people who don't have many advocates out there, have to be so careful, I think, to stay out of the most politicized cases, right? Meaning the ones where it starts to feel like they are political advocates rather than homeless advocates, right? Or advocates, you know, for liberty, et cetera. And that's the danger that a lot of these groups face and that they've fallen into. I mean, look, I mean, the ACLU is actually a great example that I have somewhat personal experience with, which is, you know, my dad, who's a first, well-known First Amendment lawyer named Floyd Abrams, he represented Mitch McConnell in the very famous Citizens United case, which is now one of the big Supreme Court cases that many on the left blame for there being too much money in politics. And my dad's position was that it was a First Amendment right for companies, et cetera, to take a position on issues of public importance and to donate money, et cetera. And the ACLU had been on his side. They were also on the side of the speech. And then they got the heat. They got the heat from the left, starting to say, what? You're taking this position? And it used to be that they would say, yeah, we take a lot of unpopular positions. We defend people being able to march with the KKK. We defend people's right to do all sorts of things that most of the people aren't going to approve of. But on this one, they caved. And ever since, you know, I have lost my faith in the ACLU. I'm sure there are going to be people who are going to listen to saying, well, I lost my faith well before that. But anyway, that was for me when I lost it. Yeah. Well, how many years ago was that? Sorry. 12? Something like that. Yeah. I mean, I think what happens, somebody said this about bankruptcy. It happens slowly and then it happens fast. And I think with these groups, it's slow at the beginning and then at some point they just become that. You know what I mean? Well, they also look to who's giving the money, right? Like, who are the donors, right? And by the way, the supply is on the right and the left. You know, it's where's the money? Who's feeding? And you got to satisfy your donors. Right. Yeah. And they're all, but they're, it's true, but there's also a kind of a mentality. And because it, like I said, it happens to the Sierra Club as well, you know, and it's who you attract. You attract young people out of college and those people tend to have lean this way or that way politically. And then you get, you get a group and that's sort of the way it works. It's sort of like you, you know, it's like if you hired a whole bunch of vegetarians, at some point there'd be no vending machine with a ham and cheese in it because they don't want it. You know what I mean? That would be in the, in the break room at the, at the place. That's the way that would go. So it kind of, you know, it happens that way, but I didn't know your dad was, was famous. Did he put pressure on you to, you know, enter the law sort of following his footsteps to something? No, no, it's just that, you know, when you see a parent enjoy what they do, right? It makes you more likely to want to do it. And my dad loved what he did. And, you know, one of the things I've always admired about my dad is that, you know, he didn't let sort of political pressure force him into taking positions. Now he is typically, you know, represented or politically is left, right? He is typically would be viewed as like someone who gives money to Democrats, right? But he's principled in his positions in the sense that he represented Mitch McConnell for free in this case. So it wasn't for money. He did it for free because he believed in the cause and his position wasn't like, oh, is it going to help Republicans more or help Democrats more? He believed that it was a free speech issue and he still does. And, you know, it would be nice if there were, you know, more people like that out there. There's actually a documentary that was just made about him called Speaking Freely that aired on PBS and it was in, excuse me, some of the, you know, the smaller theaters, etc. So people can, if you want to go check out what Floyd and by the way, the interesting thing in that documentary is there are a lot of people who take the bill. Who take the position exactly, which is what I said. They said, well, we used to view mostly people on the left. We used to view Floyd Abrams as like a hero. But now, oh, you know, he took this position and like, from my position, it's like he's even more of a hero. Why? Because he stood up to people like you who think that you got to pick a side. And even though he is a Democrat, that he's still willing to represent Republicans in the most important case of the day, because he believes in it. No, I agree. I was talking to Rob Schneider about this, which is if you're in Hollywood and you take conservative positions, you get accused of like being a sellout and taking the money. But it's like you're doing the opposite. You are removing money from your pocket. You are getting on a list of folks that aren't welcome to the events and all the film festivals and you're no longer going on auditions. You know, when a guy like Rob Schneider becomes conservative, he hurts his business. There's no doubt about it. I mean, look, and you know, look, this is you got to give credit to someone like Mark Burnett, right? I don't know if you know Mark, but he's one of the people who realized early on that, for example, doing entertainment, like Christian entertainment was like a big business, right? And so he spent a lot of time with his wife creating an enormous business for what was an underserved audience, right? I didn't know that. I mean, the last time I talked to him, he was he was talking me into doing celebrity apprentice. He did other things too. Yeah, yeah, no, I he's done a lot of stuff. Yeah, but I didn't know this chapter. Yeah, he and his wife, he and his wife created a lot of Christian entertainment program and got made a ton of money doing it. Why? Because there weren't enough people who recognized that this is programming that people want to see and they want to follow. And he did and he made it and he and his wife, as I say, made a lot of money doing it. Yeah, I used to always put it this way, because it was something I've been aware of for at least a decade, where, you know, you talk about you take a show like Gutfeld, you know, number one in late night. And then you go Gutfeld, that guy doesn't wear a jacket and he's sitting down. He has a he has a notepad on his lap, you know, there's no by the way, for for a guy and I'll tell you I've done Gutfeld. And I've done all the late night shows. The late night shows have a big dedicated studio. There's hundreds of people in the audience. You got catering. I mean, the writer's room, you know, when you guys see the Emmys and and John Stewart or Colbert wins an Emmy and they bring everyone on stage for writing. There's 23 people up there. I mean, the the process, the amount of money that it costs to put on Gutfeld versus Cobare or any of the late night shows, it's not half. It's not 25 percent. It's probably one 30th or less than it costs and it gets to range. Now, why? Well, as I said, and I've always said, I said, look, if everybody is serving Italian food, then let's open a Mexican food place. And everyone went like, what? No, let's do another Italian place, but do it better. I'm like, no, we don't have to be better. We can have a mediocre Mexican food place if all there is is Italian on this street. And that's what it is. I mean, it's not like Gutfeld. Not like he's any better. The show is any better. Nothing. No one's that funnier. It's just an alternative. It's it's you guys can go fight over half the country and I'll take 100 percent of the other half of the country. Well, and that's a relatively new thing, right? Yes. The late night shows have become so political. Look, I've done every one of the network late night shows as well. And I'll say the one thing about their budgets, the good news is when you walk off as a guest, you get a jacket, you get a watch, you get all this like this great goodies that they give you. Yeah. You're a guest on one of the one of these shows. But, you know, the fact that they have become and you know, Leno used to go out of his way to try to avoid being political. Right. Yes. And, you know, we found that you saw that with a lot of the, you know, Letterman got accused of crossing the line sometime, whatever, without getting into like a history of late night. The point is that, like, you know, all of that's gone at this point. Yes. And as a result, your point being that now it's sort of like, you know, Fox News starting when you had all these networks that everyone saw as being left of center or left. And Fox News saying, hey, there's an opportunity here that no one else is doing. And, you know, yeah, I think Gutfeld has Gutfeld is an enormous success in the TV world. And there's no catering and there's no gift basket, no bathrobes, no mugs, no totes. The totes, the bottom of the mugs and the totes were number one. And now it's the travel mug, you know, the stainless steel one with the sippy cup on top. I still have my, you know, my watch and my jacket and my mug and, you know, back in the day, back in the day was a big deal to be on one of the late night shows. Let me tell you. Let me tell you the big, let me tell you the best one. And I don't know if you probably didn't do this show, but the best swag was Jim Rome. Jim Rome. No, I didn't do Jim Rome. Jim Rome had a guy in the back and he had a pile of swatches of material and he was like Giuseppe of Beverly Hills. And you know what? You go there, I swear to God. And he'd go, I'm going to make you a shirt. And you go, what? I'll make you a shirt. I'll monogram it. I'll put your initials on the sleeve. Let me measure you up. Pick out, just pick out a fabric from this. Yeah, I got a pile of 100 fabric. A month later, a shirt shows up with your fabric and your initials on it. Wow. Yeah, that's good. That's good. I'll tell you the only thing. Let me tell you the only thing the late night shows used to get wrong and they still do. And they all do the same thing. You ready? When you go into those late night shows, at some point you travel down a hallway. It's always adorned with pictures and then you end up in the green room and it's always adorned with pictures, right? And the pictures are the time Michael Jackson was a guest on the show and the time Bill Clinton was on the show and the time Oprah was on the show and the time they had Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were on the show. And all I ever do is look at all these pictures and go, man, I bet they were here instead of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boy, I must be a supreme disappointment to them because these are the people they had. I remember I was on the NBC late night show and Kira Knightley was on with me. And we had chatted before we went on and then chatted whatever. And then, I don't know, five years later I see Kira Knightley at an event and I'm like, hey, Kira, you know, Dan Abrams, we were on... She's like looking at me. She has no idea. Yeah. And she pretended to know. She's like, oh, yes. I said, come on. Who am I? I didn't say my name. I said, I introduced my... I said, hey, we were on. And she goes, oh, of course. And I said, come on. You know, I said, who am I? Was it Fallon? What show was it? No, this is back when it was Leno. Oh, it was Leno. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, hot chicks have to go through their life pretending like they remember people. It's a burden. It's the one drawback to being a hot chick. You have to go to your high school reunion and pretend like you knew every nerd. I will give credit to Debbie Mazar. I think it's... Remember the actress? Mazar. So she and I sit next to each other on a plane going from New York to LA. We chat the entire time. This is 30 years ago. I don't know, whatever. A long time ago. And we chat and blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, you know, we were almost exchanging information. She showed me pictures. And it's not that long afterwards that I bump into her. And it's probably two, three years later. And I say, hey, you know, hey, you know, we sat next to each other on the plane. And she says, I must have been asleep. And I said, oh, oh, that hurts. And I was like, come on. We talked the whole time. I must have been asleep. But you know what? She gets credit. She didn't fake it. No, she's, I think she's... Well, well, Kira Knightley's from the UK. So they have a certain decorum. Yeah, exactly. And Debbie Mazar is like from the Bronx or something. Exactly. They have a little different approach. Exactly. I can tell you all the stories about various people I've met who have no idea who I am. So, you know, those are, those are just a couple of dosies. You should write a book. Yeah. The Forgotten Dan. Dan Averson, I won't forget who you are, brother. Thank you. On patrols the name of the TV show live every Friday and Saturday night on Reels, everyone. Always good catching up with you, Dan. Good to see you, Adam. Thanks for having me. 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Some other notable bands that probably never get into rock and roll all the things. Then Lizzie, Fallcat, America, Kansas, even REO Speedwagon. Well, even old Neil Young said, hey, hey, my, my, rock and roll will never die. Just watch the Grammys now and you'll think rock and roll has died. Y'all have a good day. Bye. You can leave us a message at 888-634-1744. Yeah, then Lizzie should be there for jailbreak alone. Hey, you good looking female. They broke out of prison, man, and they're horny. And he's looking for, he's looking for a snatch. Absolutely. Locked up with these dudes up for all these, all these weeks. You got to, first you got to go find a clothesline and get yourself some clothes that fit. And then the next thing you got to do is get laid. And he's given away that there's going to be a jailbreak. He's not telling you exactly where it's going to be. Somewhere in this town. Yeah, but there's probably only one prison. Probably. How many people live in a town with multiple prisons? I don't know. That Walpole, Massachusetts, probably the only one. But I would pull the surveillance crew off of the library. Yeah. Hey, you good looking female. Yeah. And I look to add a siren in there. Yeah. Yeah. Break out. Yeah. Yeah. The boys are coming back in town, man. Like that should have been, why is that not in? It's bullshit. That guy sounded like he was a roadie for thin Lizzie, by the way. Yeah. He probably back in the day. Also, so we'll give a talk a little about the Oscars since I know it's a day late for you folk, but the way the shows tape. It's the way it works out for us. I was laughing because I realized my mom used to love the Oscars and then I ruined the Oscars for her. And I hearkened back to the time I ruined John Stuart for her, which is a story I won't bore everyone with. But the long and the short of it is she was a huge John Stuart fan. And then she found out John Stuart and I were friends and then she never brought up John Stuart again. And the only thing I can. My mom didn't have a lot of passions, but. But the only thing my family ever did as a as a unit or as close to a unit like my fan. We didn't have, you know, reunions or picnics or go to the ball games, you know, you know, like, though, every year at opening opening day at Dodger Stadium, we would all go to, you know, we didn't. Of course, we had nothing zero. So it's a weird it was kind of a weird interesting. You can probably identify with this. My grandmother and grandfather never worked a Saturday their entire life. My grandmother worked for the VA and the VA was pretty much nine to five. But there was no such thing as a Saturday gig. I played football in North Hollywood at North Hollywood High or Polly High or whatever. The places I played were all just sort of Burbank Vikings and the Sun Valley Falcons and stuff. We would play our home games. Half of them were home. The away games. Burthest you've got was Chatsworth or Woodland Hills or something. My grandmother never went to a game ever because she just announced she didn't like football, which you couldn't pull off. Like I don't like girls volleyball, but I couldn't announce in modern times. I don't like volleyball. I don't like volleyball, but that wouldn't get you out of going to your daughter's volleyball game. It was understood that my grandmother did not like football. So thus she was off the hook for any Pop Warner football game played over a seven year span in high schools that were just basically around her house. Yeah. And now a days everybody in the family, regardless of who they are in relation to the person that is out on the field. So if you got a niece that's out there playing basketball and she's riding the bench, doesn't matter. Guess what you're doing on Saturday. No, yeah, I started both ways, but that didn't that was going to put a dent in them. So the result, they had a great result of not supporting anybody. So the only thing I ever remember doing what I would call sort of as a family is my grandparents had a color TV set and it was probably 19 inches or something. We had this little black and white Zenith or something and we would go to watch the Oscars. And we'd go to my grandparents house and sit my grandfather's dad, which is probably 10 foot by 11 foot and just sit on the floor. And but there was a there was a TV was color and we'd watch it. And my grandfather was in the Academy because he got nominated for adapted screenplay or something like that. Yeah, million years ago, affairs of Susan. So it was a point. It was the only the only thing we had to hang our hat on is this guy from Hungary, who was a playwright who came here, who had some success as a writer and that he made his living writing for gun smoke and bonanza and and wrote the mole people and weird, you know, sci fi stuff. Wow. He actually got nominated in like 1948. It's a big swing for the like like affairs of Susan. I was like adapted something. Didn't get an Oscar. But they were in. They were now in in the in the Academy. Sure, they would get screeners. And so the Oscars were kind of the one thing my family that was all we had. And then outside of that, he was a step grandfather. But outside of that, for the Corollas, it was a fast free fall. Like there was nothing. Some, you know, this guy successfully completed rehab or something like that. Like we didn't have there was no Heisman trophy winners. Nobody owned a Corvette or had an RV dealership or something. It was like grandpa was in the Academy. And then after that, it was this futon after futon and welfare after welfare. Yeah, not not a no home ownership, no, nothing. But at some point when Jimmy hosted the Oscars and I wrote for the Oscars, much like John Stewart being ruined for my mom, the Oscars were then ruined for my mom. Because how it was kind of a Woody Allen thing, like who'd want to be in a club that have me as a member sort of thing, except that they did it with their extended family. She never said it. I just realized it was ruined for her. She it was never discussed again. She was asked if she watched the episode that the first time Jimmy hosted that I wrote on. She announced it was she announced she didn't really watch it, but it was a little hit and miss, which is weird. She covered both bases, which is I didn't watch it and it was no good. That's a two that's a two for yeah. And then and then Jimmy would host the next year and the next year and I got seer and she'd go like what's going on? I'm going over to the Academy to write jokes, you know, for the Oscar and she go, all right. And I realized it was over. Never brought up the Oscars again. Never brought up Jimmy. Never asked a question about writing or like when do you get there? Do you rent a tuxedo? Do you have to wear a tuxedo? Yeah. Do you get to hang out backstage? It was never discussed again. And I realized with her fucking wiring, it was ruined like John Stuart got ruined. It ruined John Stuart that I was friends with John Stuart. We had the same agent. We talked last week about being fired from a business or being let go or whatever it is. And then you immediately stop engaging with that company ever. Like you will never you get fired from a radio station. You'll never turn that radio station on again. A TV station you get fired from a, you know, a subway. You go to get a sandwich. No, no, no, we're going to Quiznos from now on. We're doing subway ever again. It's weird that she had no involvement with the Academy Awards and then on top of it, her son was in it. And just because you were, you're like a Marvel superhero who everything you touch just shrivels up and dies. Yeah. In her eyes. Yes. Yeah. It's a, I don't know if it's a, if it's ultimate low self-esteem. Like I don't know what it is. My grandmother had that too, but it was palpable. Yeah. It would have went, we would have, in the past, we would have gotten together the weekend after the Oscars and she would have given me a whole sort of dissertation on stuff she liked or she thought this guy did a good job or that guy was very clever. There would have been Oscar talk. Yeah. Never. Never came up after that. You know that moment that you have when you're dating somebody and you find out that they once slept with somebody that you know that you find to be disgusting or you can't stand and you get a little freaked out by it. Yeah. Did she ever write for the Oscars? And then she's like, you know, fucking never again. You look at it different now that it's been tainted with your no pun intended taint. She liked the Oscars and then Jimmy hosted the Oscars. That was it, huh? And her son wrote for the Oscar. That's a one-two punch. Yeah. And then it was all over for her and the Oscars. Man. Never brought it up again. Wow. Now, to be fair, my dad didn't watch the Oscars before Jimmy hosted and he didn't watch the Oscars while Jimmy hosted. Yeah. Which is, which is funny. He gave me the best one ever, which is, I always want to say to people, at least respect me enough to lie to me. We once, I got the biggest argument. One of the biggest arguments I ever got into with someone on Love Line was many years ago, they got to look her name up to us and Baywatch, sensible one. Brunette with the short hair. She was a sensible one. Oh, by sensible you mean not much up top, right? Yeah. B cup, short hair. They had the ones, they were always really good looking. They just had shorter hair and a B cup and they were the sensible ones. And she was supposed to come on Love Line. And then at the last minute, she just sort of called in original Baywatch cast, I guess. I don't know. She's got to be, she's, she's a perennial. Like she, I think she was the original cast. And like I said, not, not blonde. So yeah, she's going to be easy to find. She had like a young, Alexander Paul. Oh, there you go. That's right. What is she doing now? And is she running Marathon? So she was supposed to come on Love Line. And she called in like an hour before she was supposed to come into Love Line. Yeah, not circa 1997 or something. Baywatch. And she just goes, I'm not coming in because I'm training for Marathon. And I got to get up early. And she was like, and I was like, just say you're sick. Not, you got to get up to jog. Yeah. And she was like, and by the way, not, not running a Marathon, the Marathon was in three months. She just got it, got up at six in the morning and ran. And she didn't feel like staying up till 10, I don't know, till 11 or 12 or whatever. And my beef was that she didn't lie. Yeah. And then her argument was, I can't believe you're coming after me for not lying. And my argument was, here's my argument. If it was about somebody, let's just say George Clooney said come over for cocktails. Would you say, I got a jog in the morning. If you didn't want to go, you'd go, oh my God, I hurt myself this weekend or I'm sick or I wish I could leave the house, but I can't or my kids sick. Like you, you just go, you wouldn't go, I don't really feel like it because you would, you would care. Yeah. See, Adam, this is why you should have feigned a little, a little bit of interest in your children because you can always have a get out of jail free card. Oh my God. What TMZ two hours ago, according to Andrew Alexander Paul, arrested after animal welfare process. That's two hours ago. Oh my God. That's a great magnet. Wow. Yeah. Look at that's her right there. She couldn't run fast enough to get away from the cops. No, should have trained a little harder. That's right. Wow. Was she part of this like Beagle animal rescue takeover place at bread Beagles or something that a bunch of protesters showed up to? Are you telling me I just randomly brought up Alexandra Paul's name and she was on TMZ. Jesus. Who's last been seen in an episode of Baywatch 23 years ago. Well, you know what? Your mom just announced that she's never going to watch TMZ ever again. From the grave. Yeah. So my thing is, is would you just lie? Just lie. Yeah. And when my dad, when he got asked if he watched the Oscars that Jimmy was hosting and that I wrote for, he goes, there's the grace. But this is Jim Caroll. He goes, I go, somebody else asked him, did you watch the Oscars? He goes, oh, yeah, yeah. You know what? Watch the Oscars. And then he paused and he went, well, you stepped mom did. I was like, I just, by the way, his house is 1300 square feet. Just say we watched it. Just say we watched it. I didn't, I'm not going to check you. I'm not going to quiz you. She literally, the house is 1000 square feet. She literally sat in the living room and watched it and he just sat one room over and looked at a book. That's what he did. I'm just saying you can just go. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. Jimmy, nice job. Nice job. Look good. Let me play on my trumpet. You just say it. It's the easiest. It's free. And it's so easy. Yeah. Lie about everything. Hey, good stuff. Yeah, lie about it all. My god, what did you get for dinner? Steak. I had chicken. I just tell the steak. Yeah. Nice. Good with the tuxedo. That's slimming. Little, little, a lot of commercials this year. They must be doing well. He obviously ratings have been up. Anything. Anything. Just something other than now. Didn't watch. That's the vibe. By the way, I was in, as he's going, I was at home and just in another part of this house that's miniature where the TV wasn't. I sat in the other room. She allegedly broke into a breeding facility and began stealing dogs, beagles. I told you, I heard a Beagle story. Man, I did not hear her name involved. The Beagle story. According to criminal records obtained by TMZ, Alexandra was arrested and booked Sunday on one count of trespassing. The papers say she was arrested on Sunday morning, later booked in the county jail that afternoon. According to the sheriff's office, Alexandra's arrest was related to a protest at Ridgeland farms, a controversial breeding facility in the Blue Mounds about 30 miles west of Madison. Oh, OK. Man, she's going all Cruella DeVille. Yeah. Made some Beagle loafers out of them things. Yeah. She's, I think she's doing what women, attractive women do once they turn 60, which is stuff like this. Yeah. No problems. So do we got to start creating them? She must have run marathons or something at some point. But anyway. All right. The thing that I noticed with the, about the Oscars is what's with dudes and broaches? A lot of broaches. What is going on? May I broach this subject? What? I know dudes are trying to be chicks. And I guess this is, is the broach a upright standing mobile version of the deep leg cross? Because I think you're basically saying I'm on, I'm team deep leg cross with the broach. That's like from level. Yeah. Yeah. That's more in a boutonniere. Yeah. Well, they're not wheeling them out on a chair where they can cross their legs to signal to everybody that they are on, on one side or the other. So they have to wear the broach. Right. But when did the broach, when did this hit? And then how does this memo work? Hey bro, you got to broach up for the Oscars. Everyone's, everyone's doing broaches. Lionel's doing broach, bro. Got your broach, bro? And also, I don't know, how come guys don't push back a little and go, I don't know, this hunk of tin hanging off my lapel for the whole night? Yeah. Every senator, congressman, whatever, they have multiple lapel pins. Yeah. American flag. Yeah. Whether Ukrainian one, whatever. And then with the Me Too is where it started, but then now it's Be Good and all that other stuff they were doing. It's become more of a fashion accessory and a way to expound on your appearance without taking a side. You're open to the thing. Yeah, so it's people. It's unused real estate. It's like where that billboard goes. Maybe is this what you're trying to say? I think you cannot get shit for not wearing a Time's Up pin or Ukraine pin because you have a giant broach. There you go. Using that space up. Yeah. And we'll just, and the broach basically says, I'm for free Palestine, Time's Up, Ukraine. The big broach sort of says, I'm down with all of it without committing to one of it. I'm down with all of it. And I'm against wasted space on my lapel. Right. Right. Well, what you didn't know is the Time's Up logo looks like a diamond butthole and that's what the, that's what Adrian Brody had on his lapel there. Pedro Pascal had a giant. Yeah. Look at big sunflower. It's weird, huh? I, you know, again, call me old fashioned, but just get a suit and wear it the best you can. Yeah. He's also a douche with his, I don't know, free Palestine stuff. He's just a douche. Sad. All right. You got some, yeah. You look at any of the winners or anything? You want to go through that at all? Yeah. Yeah. I printed up a couple of things here. All right. So the winner, which is one battle after another is not a good film. It's kind of weird. I look. Listen. It's, it's sad. But if you make a film that has a theme of white supremacy and, and black activism and Sean Penn being a cartoon character, then you got a good chance of winning. Sure. You make one about F1. You're not going to win. Yeah. F1 was a far more entertaining film than one battle after another, but it's about cars and they don't care about cars. And it was just a kind of a weird MSNBC producer fever dream. Yeah. And it, by the way, it wasn't a good film, not just because I disagree with it politically. It was sort of all over the road. Like, you know, lights up. We're going to break into this detention center at the border and free Mexicans. By the way, you freeing Mexicans, it's, it's not like you're freeing a coyote that's trapped in a snare or a Marlin that's got a net on it. You know, go, you can't just take Mexicans and scatter them to the wind like, go, go my brothers, go be free. Go be, we think they're going to do just live, live in a field. Yeah. These ain't beagles. You can't be saved by an ex-Baywatch star. They're not beagles. They literally think of them like it's a dolphin caught in a tuna net. Sure. You know, and, and it is true. And they love the symbolism of cutting the net off and sending the dolphin, you know, or the bear after they fixed its paw and they open the cage and they go stumbling out into the woods. You know what I mean? You can't do that with Mexicans. I've tried. You know what that, that, that Mexican does just like the bear turns around and bites in the ass. Yes, I've gone down to the Home Depot, found those guys sitting around, waiting to jump in the back of the car. I throw them in the back of the pickup. I drive out to the Mojave Desert. I drop the tailgate and I yell, be free. Underlay, underlay. And they just sit there. They don't want to leave. They want TV sets and food and air conditioning and shit. Same shit we want. That's what they want. So the beginning of the movie is like, we're just going to go free some Mexicans, which is super racist, by the way. Then they do that. Then everyone is like Sean Penn's character is out of a cartoon. Oh, yeah. Basically. Like, I got a gun to me. I'm getting a boner and when I'm sex with a black chick, I will say this, they don't do this enough. But Leonardo DiCaprio's character, if that guy was an actual human being, he'd be the worst human being you've ever met in your life. Absolutely. Yes. Fucking strung out on weed, makes bombs, neglects his family, doesn't fucking work, hates the government. That's the worst human being on the planet. It didn't. The whole thing is run by some white supremacist cabal from someone's basement. Well, I'll wear Hawaiian shirts and drive Mustangs. This is a shitty movie. It's not even a good movie. Shot well. Yeah. Interesting to watch. Bad story. Not even close. And by the way, these movies that are best picture, like the other in the past when those types of movies come around like Casino came on the other day. I just see Casino. I'm like, oh, I'm watching this like Casino or a Tarantino movie, you know, you know, In Glorious Basterds or one of these, the Sting or something like that. When these movies like Moonlight and stuff come around, which they don't because they're shitty movies. But even when they come on, you just change the channel. Yeah. I thought you're ever going to watch them. I thought that same thing about this song, that one best, best song from a movie that the Golden, whatever it was, they were talking about the K-pop. Everyone made fun of me when I listened to K-pop. It's the biggest genre on the planet right now. Stop it. And also when that gal was like, it's so good to see people who look like me on the screen. Oh, really a Korean. So did you not see Parasite? Did you not see everywhere? Everything everywhere all at once? Did you not see any of these movies? Because it seems like we're kind of in the mix now. And after I heard that whole Golden song, whatever it was, the best song from a movie when they were talking about how this is going to live in infamy and this, what a great song. And it's first off, that sounds like every YouTube workout video I've ever seen. Yeah. You know what sticks in your head? I will always love you by Whitney Houston. That song will never leave you. It should win best song. Yeah. Now, no country for old men won 18 years ago, and that's a good movie. Yeah. But stuff like Kota and Nomads Land and, you know, Green Book and the Shape of Water and Moonlight and Spotlights. Yeah. Here's what I said. One battle after another was as good as Quentin Tarantino's Worst Movie. Yeah. That's a good point. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, well, first off, to compare it. OK, so you go, well, what does that mean? Douchebag Adam. Well, it means to compare it to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood or Django or in Glorious Bastards or Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fictions and saying those movies were all 1000 times better than that movie. To do it to like Jackie Brown or something like a lesser known, you know, Tarantino movie, fine, fine. But literally the movie that won the best film is as good and I'm being generous is Quentin Tarantino's weakest effort. Yeah. That's how I would say. And by the way, just watched it the other day again. You can watch Quentin Tarantino movies over and over again. Hateful Eight gets a lot of shit. It's still a good movie. It's it's good. Yeah, it's slow on my list, but it's still pretty decent. Yeah. It's got a lot of twists and turns and, you know, a link, a letter from Abe Lincoln and all that all that kind of crap. It's still a good movie, even though it's it's way down on Tarantino's. I mean, that's the whole thing. And then you take a movie like Boogie Nights, which is much better than one battle after another, which has to be weird if you created both of them. Yeah. And you you create both of them. And the Boogie Nights doesn't get Academy Award in a shitty movie like one battle after another does, but that's only because of its stupid woke racist theme. Yeah, I wonder if because they even said at the guy who won best casting looked at Paul and was like, it's weird. I got one before you do. I wonder if in the back of his mind, he thought 18 months ago, you know what, maybe we put out something that's a little bit more relevant and a little bit more social commentary worthy so I can finally get myself one of them golden statues up on that mantle. And there's a bit of, you know, I'll tell you what there is. It's the same as all the grift, you know what I mean? If you go, listen, I'm going to put an organization together so I can raise more money to buy a Ferrari. You won't get any money. But if you do for the children, so it's showing you give it a stupid name like Golden Endless Road for the Children Foundation or something, then you can get money. You do stuff. This movie's a piece of shit. It really is not. It's not a good movie, but thematically, like I said, if you're going to write one about white guys driving race cars, you're out. Yeah. I don't care how fucking good it is. 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VT Mega Basmati extra long premium rice. Made for sharing. What do you got in the news? Yeah, let's do some news. So behind closed doors, Rebel Wilson's crisis public relations team discussed plans to create anonymous websites that accuse the producer of the deb of sex trafficking as part of an alleged smear campaign solicited by the actress in a recording obtained by the Hollywood reporter, digital fixer Jed Wallace, instructed top entertainment publicist, Melissa Nathan to assert without evidence that the producer, Amanda Ghost, is a madam whose work involves procuring young women for wealthy and powerful men. Go ahead and give it a listen. All right. Oh, also talked about Rebel. Like, here's the, here's the deal with Rebel. And I think you, me and Brian and maybe Katie, since she'll write this thing. What we have to do is we, the biggest piece here is that we have to connect Amanda ghost with Vlotnik. And I thought I was just like, so basically what we need to do is we need to create a path where we expose Amanda ghost, Amanda ghost is like the new Heidi Fleiss. Like she, she masquerades as a, the reason why she sucks so bad at music is because she's actually getting hookers for Vlotnik, right? And that's what she does. She's a, she's a, she's an absolute madam. And that's why she's so lethal, blah, blah, blah. But that's, he's right. Like we can't just do like, oh, she's a bitch. She sucks. It's like, it's got to be really, really heavy and connected to something that heavy. So we'll talk. These people are the worst. Well, fucking publicists are, publicists are the worst people on the planet. Always have been. But, you know, I think about people who do shit like this. It's like the chick that, so I have a weird thing. Like when people go, this guy poisoned his wife and collected on the insurance, I don't care. That guy doesn't bother me. They always exist. The people who, you know, go hunting, Cecil the lion. I don't want to hang out with them, but I don't care either. The most dangerous people, the scariest people on the planet for me are either the guy who pushes people onto the tracks on the subway for no reason, or the stripper who accuses the Duke lacrosse team of raping her knows full well it never happened, and will happily watch four 19 year old dudes rot in prison for the rest of their life. That is the scariest people. Those are the scariest people on the planet. Like the people like, oh, we'll just make up a story about this guy doing human trafficking. That's the, those are the scariest. And also, I don't know where they come from. I would always just, if I was any part of that, I'd go, no, you can't do that. It's gross. Yeah. Like I'm an atheist, but come on, it's gross. The amount of cavalier in their voice when they say it, they're just like, whatever, no big deal. Well, also the new, so what we had is, what we do is we go for what's in vogue from a societal standpoint. So being racist was a big, being racist was all you needed for a while. And then lately being a trafficker and a pedophile came into vogue. And now, so everyone you don't like, you just call them a pedophile and or a racist. By the way, you want to know how old we are? Doss, you want to feel old? Yeah. The chick, Crystal Magnum, the stripper, who accused the Duke Lacrosse. By the way, how about you go to jail for at least half the time they were going to give the other guys that you were fucking bearing false witness to? Like nothing? No problemo. I'll just fucking try to get four guys' lives destroyed when they're in their teens. And then at some point I'll just go, well, I tried. Yeah. Okay. She, here's how old we are. She started with the Duke Lacrosse thing. Uh, that didn't work. Later on, she killed her boyfriend and she got convicted of killing her boyfriend. And she got like 20 years for killing her. She's out. Oh, Jesus. That's how fucking old we are. I went all the way through the Crystal Magnum. Wow. I piled right through Crystal Magnum. Yes. She falsely accused the Duke Lacrosse players and then she killed, by the way, can I say this people, if you can sit there with a straight face and look at four innocent dudes and go, you can go rot in prison, you're capable of fucking capable of anything, anything, but no, no time for that, but time for killing her boyfriend, which of course she's a world's worst person. And then I'd like, by the way, I want to do a new TV show called Nice Job, where I just interview the parents. Hey, your daughter, uh-huh. They came a stripper, right. Then try to accuse four guys of gang rape, send them to prison for the rest of the time, uh-huh. And then later killed her boyfriend. Nice job. Yeah. Good job with the parenting. You should write a book. So then went to prison for the boyfriend, murder. He's now out. And now out. Yeah. And probably not in her fifties yet. Yeah. That's all point. Yeah. Although not scheduled to go to Duke, but is going to strip for the Vanderbilt basketball team if they can make it to the sweet 16. So just put it out there. By the way, Crystal, is that a real name? Crystal Magna? Can't be. Can't be. There's no way. Right? Wow. Huh. No. I'm surprised I haven't seen more of her. No, but she should marry World Be Free or whoever the NBA. Better world peace. Yeah. Well, there was also World Be Free. Oh, was there really? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. And who was World Be Free? Another NBA. Yeah. Yeah. Rebel Wilson also accused of lying about, oh, Sasha Baron Cohen. Yeah, that's right. Gotcha. She seems like a piece of shit. Man. World Be. Oh, look at that hair. Look at that. He's 72. He was a Laker. It looked like he was a, oh, wait a minute. It's a trailblazer. It looks like a, yeah. Oh, calf? Is that a calf's jersey? It was only 6'2". How is that, huh? 6'2". World Be Free. Lloyd Bernard. Lloyd Bernard Free. Uh-huh. He was an All Star. All right. He was a big NBA. He was a. Yeah. Dude. He was in the league for, I don't know, how long was he in the league for? Yeah. Now he kind of looks like Curly from the Globe Trotters. He's got the handles. Yeah. I mean, he was in the league for 13 years, 14 years, and it came back. I mean, the guy's an All Star, I think. Yeah. World Be Free. The Miami Tropics. Wasn't that the name from the basketball field of the Ferales team? He was eaten by the Baron, Grizzly Knight. All right. What other stories you got? All right. Former MS now host Joy Reed argued that the U.S. was only marginally better than the Iranian regime that American forces are currently at war against. We got a video of this. I love it. But let me just say this. All these bitches, all these dudes, it's always the same thing. It's always, they always go, I love this country. I just imagine a better country. Yeah. Bullshit. You fucking hate this country. You're a crazy, angry bitch. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Our regime has secret police. They have secret police. Our regime is oppressing women, taking away abortion rights, taking away women's rights in like 26 countries, 26 states. Some states where they're trying to have the death penalty for having an abortion. They also oppress women. They're, they have the highest rate of women who are in STEM careers. We're kicking women out of the military, out of university. We're saying that DEI means women can't be hired for high positions in the sciences. So we're marginally better. And we're doing it for Christianity. They're doing it for Islam, right? So it's like we don't get told those things because it would take away the kind of American exceptionalism narrative. I love the guys who interview these nut jobs. Yeah, hold on, let me adjust my brooch. Let me get my deeper leg crossed, do the brooch adjustment. All right, here we go. What we say, like they never go, who's being thrown out of college because they're a woman. Yeah. Is that something I haven't heard of that? She tried to highbrow us though in that. She didn't say college. She said getting kicked out of university. Oh, okay. She was basically saying, I'm not American. I'm European. Right, yeah. What grade are you? How was she making money? She was fired a while back, right? I don't, I don't, I don't, I have no idea. I don't know. Also, once you out yourself as a dingbat, or just a woman, or just like, let's say, you hate this country or you hate Jews or you hate whatever, don't you just kind of out yourself and then we can not listen to you anymore? Because you've outed yourself? Like she's clearly a dingbat who hates this country. I see more of Joy Reed now that she's not on CNN than what she was. Right, like when, when Whoopie talks and sounds like she's a retard on methadone, does anyone ever just go like, I guess we don't, what is this infinite capacity to listen to dingbats? I don't, I don't get it. Like when, you know, when, when Whoopie gave her speech about men and women's sports and she's like, have anybody seen these women? They don't mess around. What? I don't know what you're, look, world be free. Watch a highlight reel of the NBA and then watch a highlight reel of the WNBA. That is the difference between men and women. You, the women will be lots of draining threes from the chest and some bounce passes. Granny shots. And the guys are going to be hitting their head on the rim. And basketball, it's a sport and it's a discipline, but it's really just the most athletic. Sure. Like you're running, you're jumping, you're using all of the tools in your sort of physical toolbox, you know, you can argue that playing interior linemen, it's just about sort of power and grunt and force or whatever. And the different positions and football and baseball is a little more finesse. And this guy's a pitcher and that guy specializes in hitting or whatever it is. Basketball is just a purely athletic endeavor. And, and when you see the highlight reel, you go, that's the difference between men and women. And I don't know what Whoopie is talking about when she's talking about women being serious about their sports. But does she know what she's talking about? Also the WNBA, a league that is subsidized by the NBA, finally gets a player that is transcending and really making a name for women's basketball. And all they did was beat the shit out of her for an entire season. And then somebody finally was like, hey, would you stop? That's what I love about hockey. Because Marty McSorrelly was told, but basically like behind closed doors was like, hey, when we got guys out on the ice, like a Wayne Gretzky or we got a guy out there that is really bringing a lot of eyeballs and putting a lot of people in seats, do not hurt that guy. Whatever you do, because when he's not out on the court, that means, or on the ice, that means people are not coming to see him. So you have to make sure that that guy is protected at all times. And I can't believe nobody in the WNBA didn't put out a memo to these women and went, hey, by the way, I don't know if you've noticed attendance goes up when she comes to town, when Caitlin Clark is in your building, there's people here. So stop it, knock it off. I know they turned it into a whole racial thing. And it's awesome. Yeah. And that's why we need more women of color and positions of power. What else you got? President Trump was stunned to learn this week that U.S. Intelligent indicates that the new Iranian Supreme Leader may be gay. And that his father, the late Ayatollah, feared his suitability to rule the Islamic Republic for that reason. If you saw this story at all. Well, look, it feels like half the kids of super famous and powerful guys are gay, right? Like I feel like your chance of being gay or transsexual goes up tenfold if your dad's a billionaire and rules either Hollywood or a republic. Yeah. All right. As it's been said many times. Yeah. All right. Is there something to watch? No, I thought, no, I guess, I guess we're not. We're good. No, never mind. All right. All right. So it was Trump's response. It's Trump's response, essentially. Yeah. They were saying that other people in the room found it to be hilarious and that there was a lot of people that joined in with the president's reaction. Well, one senior intelligence official has not stopped laughing about it for days. And one person familiar with the briefing was saying that he was shocked that president was shocked when described by the post by two intelligent community officials. And the third person who was close to the White House brought this to the president. He had a field day with it. Well, you got to have gays in that society. They just can't come out. Yeah. I mean, that's the beauty of joy read, which is, yeah, you get stoned to death if you're gay. Yeah. That was the thing she was, yeah. Yeah. I watched the Academy Awards with it with a gay man. And guess what? Nobody threw him off of a building. What do you know? Feels like we're a little bit better than Iran. You know what? They all these countries, all the leaders go to the same optometrist. They never wear plastic frames. They only wear metal frames. And all the times that I see any of these supreme leader of anywhere that's Iran, Iraq, whatever, all the Middle Eastern countries, you'll never see the Swiftie Lazar frames. You'll never see the plane. You don't see the Wayfair. Look, you don't see a tinted lens. It's all a metal. They're all wear like high school chemistry teacher frames. And there's a metal frame thing, which I think for them is sort of the opposite of the leg cross, which is that's for pussies. I don't know what it is, but they all have the same frame. I've been noticing there's no variety. And by the way, they do not do it up. Like they'll never smoke the lens or put a little tint or color in it. They'll never be plastic. They'll never be the big kind like I got on. They'll never be anything cool, different or interesting. It's all this is what a boring straight guy would wear. Well, they got the side like the meta ones where they've got the button on the side, but instead of recording what you see, it blows up somebody's shoes. That's how that works. That's right. And Israel's going to donate the ones for your work. Am I right or am I right? You cannot find a picture of these guys with plastic frames. And what is going on? Well, there's Fidel Castro from 1963. But I'm talking about in the last 40 years, it's all the same metal frame. Metal frames bend. They're kind of weird. I don't know. Is it just because whoever wore one guy looks like he might have some plastic. Yeah, but this is old. Yeah, you know what they need to do? Get to a lens crafters and get them in front of that screen where it does a bunch of different styles in front of you. You can see which one you like. Well, you got an oblong face. So cat eye would look very good on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. One more. All right. One more. Here we go. So, Amen, Mohammed Ghazali. I think I'm saying that right. Tried to kill Jewish kids after ramming his trunk into a synagogue in Michigan. Truck. Truck. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Ramming his truck into a synagogue, but ended up burning inside of his own truck before shooting himself. The media went full force to explain why this happened. But look at what we saw from the MPR Middle East conflict in small Lebanese town. Grief and fear followed the Michigan synagogue attack. Yeah. That is that's their angle on this thing. And also look who wrote it. I can't even say that Gail's name. Heydell. Heydell. Heydell. Shits. Shits. Shits names. You know, listen, here's here's what I've been telling you guys. First off, here's how you know these people are bought and sold and corrupt journalists. If you, if you talk to Mark Garagos and Mark Garagos is up there talking about one of his clients, you know, and some Armenian kid took his BMW and plowed through a farmer's market, right? He doesn't say after Avi took his BMW and ran over a bunch of elderly folk who are out shopping. He goes, the day of the incident. Well, he calls it an incident, you know what I mean? And they put in lots of things where mistakenly and he was distracted for a moment before the incident and stuff. And you go, what's he doing? Well, he's soft peddling what this thing is because that's his client. I mean, he, his objective is do not find this person guilty. And so then we'll start calling things things and saying this. And, you know, as I always said, like my, my agent, my, my, my former manager, me and Jimmy's former manager, Howard, God rest his soul. You know, when we left the man show, he came up to us and he's like, we're leaving him. And he's like, but you do know that I'm still going to service the contract, meaning I'm still going to take money from doing nothing and eating for free, but he doesn't want to say it that way. So service the contract. Service the contract. I mean, I'm still going to get paid for doing nothing on a show I didn't invent. Okay. So people do. All right. That's all fine. But when you see news outlets doing that, then that's what an advocate for the murder would do. So the guy who was the bomber or the guy who did throw the, the, the improvise explosive device into the crowd or the guy who drove the thing through the Christmas parade and then NPR or the, or the LA Times or the New York Times or CNN, when they report on it, their headlines are more of an advocate. They're more like, I'm a lawyer for this person than they are a fucking journalist because they are. Yeah. Because that's who they are. And men can stop it a little bit. Women can't turn it off. Oh yeah. They can't turn it off. So these are women, these are progressive women. Somehow they work for, they work for NPR or they work for any of those outlets and they have an agenda and when they, they will execute that in the form of these headlines and you see it over and over again and then they try to tell you how fair and balanced they are. Pardon me. No. Dubious. Yeah. All right. This Sunday, Santa Ana, California, going to be there. I think Jay Moore is going to come out. Jordan Family Classic cars, got the Newman collection out there. Norfolk, Nebraska. Rudy says great club. Love it. That'll be March 27th, 28th, two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. Where's that at? I can't read it. The whatever center. Oh, is that the district event center? Yep. Event center. I was texting Andrew who runs that place today that there must be a clock somewhere with an eye shot for Adam Corolla. Thank you. And then Lincoln, Nebraska, Haller Comedy Club. That'll be on Sunday on the 29th. Rudy will be there. You got to have Corolla come for all the live stuff. Rudy. Yeah. This Friday will be in Oakdale, Minnesota for next stop comedy. The 21st Saturday night will be in Monroe, Wisconsin. And then on the 27th, St. Paul at Gambit Brewing on the 29th and Lincoln, Nebraska with UACE. So, till next time, man. I'm Cromford Rudy Pivots, Dan Abrams saying Mahala. Pick up your phone, leave us a voicemail at 888-634-1744 and get tickets to see Adam Corolla at adamcorolla.com. 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