Ultimate Draft Week + ADP Price Check! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/21

Thank you all so much for being here at our wedding. I can't believe I get to spend the rest of my life with a woman of my dreams. Speaking of dreams, have you ever dreamed of tasting all the colours of the rainbow? Because that is exactly what you get with Skittles. Five bold fruit flavours in every pack. Lemon, orange, lime, strawberry and blackcurrant. They're chewy, they're colourful, they're perfect. Just like my wife. So thank you for coming and remember to buy Skittles. Music Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Music Oh, welcome in. Music Tuesday, April 21st. Music The Fantasy Footballers Podcast, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. I'm Andy Holloway. Draft week. Yeah baby, we're here. Music And the Giants have extra picks. Oh. Do you realize that was the first time this is like getting way ahead of the news? But Dexter Lawrence was traded straight up for the number 10 overall pick in the draft. So the Bengals, I mean, we got to be honest. You look at the numbers behind what Dexter Lawrence brings to a defense, devastating for Mike because we have a strict fantasy football policy on this show. We don't want the Bengals getting better on defense and we don't want the Cowboys getting better on defense. I mean, and they are going to be better with Dexter Lawrence. They will, but they lost Hendrickson. They did. So, I mean, can you imagine that defense without one of those? They didn't have Hendrickson for a lot of last year. Yeah. Yeah. It was, I mean, I saw the numbers. New York was just atrocious without Dexter Lawrence on the field last year. But this is like the first time in 21 years or something like that, that a, that a top 10 pick was traded for a non quarterback. Yeah. I saw the post. I forget which one of the big insiders was saying, oh, there's, they posted it in a way where it was like, there's precedents for this. This has happened before in 1986. It was like, wait, this has been a minute. That's not, there's not a lot of precedents here. And it was one of those deals where it's like, there's not a bunch of other pieces moving around. No other picks later on. It was just pretty fantasy football. Yeah. It was. I love it because all I saw was how much each team fleeced the other and how good the trade was or bad the trade was. And honestly, when I look at it, it seems really wise and smart for both parties. I get it from both of their situations. I don't think the Bengals were going to find at 10 in this draft, a player that good at a position of need. Yeah, they have to pay him, but the contract they signed was not that bad. They added like one year of seed money. Yeah. One year, 28 million. Somewhere around 12 million a year. It's like the number 10 pick was going to be 6 million a year for a rookie. It might be great for both teams. It really might. Yeah. And now the Giants, for fantasy purposes, they've got two top 10 picks. And one of them is going to be an impact offensive player most likely because I don't think they're going to spin both of them on the defensive side. They were already rumored around Jeremiah Love or Jordan Tyson or Carnell Tate or any of these guys. Now we get to find out what happens and it happens on Thursday, but first. Oh, yes. Big announcement. You hear that there's an announcement now. I did. I'm anxiously awaiting. Oh, it's draft week. It is draft week and we have a very special ultimate draft week giveaway. It is the ultimate draft week. We're giving away a spot in the coveted fantasy footballers listener league. That is the grand prize. We are giving away a signed Jamar Chase jersey and a signed B. John Robinson Jersey. If you're watching on youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers, you can see them on the back wall here. But all you got to do and you do it every year anyways is pick up the ultimate draft kit at ultimate draft kit.com. 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And then because of the draft, our next release for the Dynasty Pass, all of our updated rookie rankings, all of our, I mean, we get, we get so much information this week. This is like the begin, to me, the beginning of fantasy football season is right when the draft ends. Yeah, it's super exciting. I mean, we do our keeper lottery. Like our League of Records starts to take, take form after the draft. And those of you that are newer to the show, maybe you don't have experience with the ultimate draft kit. That's where all of our tier based rankings are. All of our premium stat projections where we go through and we are, you know, we just did our early rankings, but this is going to be our player by player actual stat projections for everybody. 100 plus video player profiles, custom cheat sheets. You can track your draft live on the app. The video profiles are always a hit. We've got the value scout tool in there now. All of our sleepers breakouts, busts and values, which evolve, like it's a living breathing tool to help you win on draft day and, you know, risk in upside meters. Just a lot of stuff you can learn about. It's what we use. Yeah, ultimatedraftkit.com for that. And it gets better every single year. Be a part of the ultimate draft week giveaway. Our quick question of the day was titled, I think by Bruxy, draft dreams. That sounds like a movie too. Like the next costner flick for draft day. Draft dreams. Name a rookie in a landing spot that you'd love to see happen for any reason. Well, you both, you guys are. Yeah, I know. We both went a little bit. Do you want me to go first? Negative. I love your, I wanted to do yours, but yours is impossible. It's not possible. It's yours is impossible. I mean, there's rumors right now that the Cardinals and Chiefs are in discussions around the third pick in the draft. Now, yes, a reasonable person would be imagining the Chiefs come up and take an impact defensive player like R. Val Reese or David Bailey. But no, in my draft dreams scenario, this is weird. I mean, this is just a personal. This is a draft fever dream. It's not a personal attack. Yes, it is. It's a personal. You're like, man, things really went way too well for Kenneth Walker. So how could we destroy it? If it's a personal attack, so be it because you had a year of dominance. You deserve it. You won two leagues. It's Jeremiah. I love to the Chiefs. Everybody's impossible. If Jeremiah love goes to the Chiefs, the people, the people best player available. They do not like can Walker back where he belongs is kind of the two in an office. There it is. You would. So this is this would make you happy. You look how happy it would make me. It's just for little moments and it would be just the moment when the pick happens and I get to turn away from the TV and look at Mike. Yeah, just for the moment because it would it would bring so much. It would bring the fun of watching Jeremiah love on the Chiefs. It would bring weeks and weeks of Mike going, what are they doing? Which we got to do with Michael Pinnick's. That was fun. Yeah, it seems no way. No way. Some people want to watch the world burn right there. But yeah, all right. Mine's a hater. Mine's a hater dream. Yeah, that being a dumb decision. Yeah. And yes, I stand by it. But if Pinnick's had been good, it was a great decision, right? He's not. Well, I'm just saying like just be just be clear. You were we were wrong. We were right for the wrong reason. The reason we were right. I don't think so. Have you seen the there's a clip? They were absolutely right to take another quarterback because cousins was not going to be yet. There's a guy. There's a baking show or like a guy doing a segment and a lady says something and the guest is very. He's like, if my grandma had tires, she'd be a bicycle. I know the clip you're talking about. No, we won. They lost. So whatever. They were taking Jackson Dart though. Wasn't that the right pick at night? Well, yeah. Okay. That's true. Yeah. All right, Mike, you kick us off. Give us something fun to root for because I would love this. Mike was not entertained by mine. He didn't like mine at all. It was a personal attack. Yeah, it's a personal attack of an impossible action and situation. Oh man. Now I want it even more. He will go. He's going three or four. Yes, he is to the Cardinals. He's going three or four trades for three, four, five, seven. You'd have to get through to get to the chiefs. They're coming up for love. Yeah, they're trading up. It's mine's Adam Randall to Washington is I don't think Jeremiah love makes it to Washington at seven at that point with their pick situation. It's like. Do you have players in your running back room? So maybe we use a third. I don't know. Probably fourth. Probably a probably a day three pick. But Adam Randall is such a interesting running back prospect. A converted wide receiver like the type of player that if they hit, they turn into they jump from a third round rookie pick into a top 15 type of a fantasy running back. So it would be really exciting if he went there. Have we ever for one moment considered to Corey Krosky Merritt would be the starting running back for this team? Yeah, I have. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it a little bit. I think it'll be a 50 50 time share there. Do you remember when I made it one of the worst trades I've ever made last year in dynasty? I'm in the middle of a rebuild. Yeah, the Brock. Oh yeah. I think about all the time. Yeah, I'm thinking to myself. I'm like, I think I got Jacobi Bressette and jacquory Krosky Merritt in that trade and Bressette now holding out in Arizona for starter money. Talk about a good toilet bowl of a team work Arizona. But maybe talk to the guy starting. That's just funny to think about. They could be. Yeah. They did sign Rashad White. So what I'm looking forward to in this draft and I think this is realistic. I think this could very easily happen. I just put together like my official mock draft that still have room to tweak it and he would have been available here. I did not give him here, but it would be Kenyon Sadiq falling to the Jets at 16. I would love that so much because Sadiq is a jet Jets getting Sadiq. Yeah. The Sadiq is not my favorite prospect. He is obviously a superhuman athlete, best of the best, first percentile type of freak of nature. His production profile is not superb. And when you watch film, this was not like watching Brock Bowers. You watch Brock Bowers and it's like this guy is the offense. No one can ever take him down. He is on another level. He's just in a super elite tight end for sure. That's not how I feel about Sadiq and I and that right. It feels bad to feel that. And so if I'm not super into Sadiq and I don't want the Jets to ruin one of the wide receivers I really like, how great would it be at 16? If they're like, I've got we've got our receiving answer. It's Sadiq. Great. Cause then I'm out. We're going to be rolling out Mason Taylor. Yes. And well, I mean, look, they, he wants, he already let Sadiq drop to 16 in this hypothetical because he doesn't like him. And now he's going to the Jets to my real draft. He drops 19, but the Jets bypassed him in my situation. Is this a draft where you pretend you're the GM of every team that the ladder where I pretend I'm the GM of every team. But Michael Meyer was a second round pick. Yeah. And that did not stop the Raiders from saying, Hey, we need a true stud. And they, they took Brock. Is he a dog? Sadiq. Yeah. Sadiq's got a little dog in him. I mean, I'm just like, yeah. Cause dogs and cats, they don't, they don't, you're saying if they were both on the jets, I'm just asking. Yeah. That could be, they would just meet the double mesh route and they just run into each other and start fighting. Well, no, they wouldn't fight cause the cat would run away. I think. What was that? We don't need no cats. Be a dog. I forgot about that. Those two fight like cats and dogs. All right. Let's do some news. News and notes from around the league. Adam Schefter reporting the Eagles trading AJ Brown to the Patriots is now considered likely. I mean, we've been the fact that we all have to wait until June 1st for this bullcrap to go away. I mean, we know what's happening. Even just do the trade and say, Hey NFL, do this on the same way. Yes. It will execute on June 1st. Just get it over with. I mean, they do this with cuts, a post June 1st cut. Like you can cut them beforehand and then designate them to be cut on June 1st. That's already like a thing. Just do that with trades. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a. Manipulate the salary. Which is why they can't trade them right now cause they want, they want the cap to get split between the two years. He will be a patriot. Yeah. It will be sad for Romeo Dobbs. It will be great for Drake May. Yes, it will. The fact of the matter is the Eagles will be in play on Thursday. They will add a little bit of extra confirmation. They'll draft a wide receiver at some point in time. Maybe early. Oh man. I. Sorry Philadelphia. I hope they. A.J. Brown this like as in the Tennessee Titans. This is like, this is the make good. You realize that they're like, Mike Vrable was the coach when they traded him and there's the legendary video of when the trade going through and there's someone in that room who's not happy about trading A.J. Brown. And that was Mike Vrable. And that was Mike Vrable. If he can get him back and the Philadelphia with their first round pick is like, Hey, we're taken. Yeah. Whoever. Mike Highland. Yeah. There's. Tyson and doesn't work out. Yes. And then they come the next trail on Berks. Exactly. It was just the, this is what the world needs for balance. Yeah. Look. A.J. Brown's a very, very good player and I'm going to tell you this. Jalen Hertz is not a better player without him. Right. But he is not a better quarterback. Davante Smith, Stockwood, Rods. It would definitely go. 39% target sharing games without A.J. Brown. Yeah, that won't, that won't happen. No, I won't say that way. It's like a cartoon chat. Yeah. That did sound pretty. What is that? Oh, is that Fival? Was that Dom Delouise? I don't know. I think Philadelphia's, there'll be an interesting story. Nothing we say, I mean, everything we say right now, we got a little Jalen Hertz in the middle of the, in the middle of the table. You know, Philly fans, I feel like that franchise right now is hanging on. They've got a lot of money committed, right? Their defense is going to be great, but I'm curious about the offense without A.J. Brown. That'll be very, very interesting. I said it. Jacobi process, not attending phase one of the off season program wants to be paid like a starter. It's great. Great news. That one is so funny because if you recall, at least the way it was laid out on social media that the, you know, like everything was okay. They're going to get rid of Kyler. The Cardinals bringing Gardner, Minshew, you're like, what? They're going to have Jacobi and Gardner, Minshew. And then there was the tweet, the Cardinals are moving forward like Jacobi is the starter. He doesn't know about it yet. Right. Yeah. They're bringing this is why he didn't know about it because they're trying to sneak it through so they didn't have to pay. Gardner, not him being your starter. You got to pay him like a starter. Yes. Gardner, Minshew was brought in not to compete, but to be the backup for Jacobi reset, but Jacobi reset is not necessarily aware of this and certainly certainly not financially, but it's great because the pictures came out early. This is months ago of the Cardinals like locker room area, their new wall graphics. You walk into the players area and the biggest, most primary, you know, the entire walls is a picture of Jacobi. It's like, I'm not getting paid by that guy. He walks in and looks at that and goes, I'll be right back. I got to go talk to my agent because I probably mixed up $50 million for that picture up there. Daniel Jeremiah said, tie Simpson to Arizona feels inevitable when maybe late first round trade up. So much inevitable. They should wait till the last round to get them. That's what I think. Grab them in the second. They've got no, it's Jeremiah love. Ty Simpson. Let's let's do it. Cardinals. That's really good. I'd rather be entertained. I would rather be a good football team. That's four years. We take that off the table as an option, Mike. Where else do you want to go? Okay. If that's out. Yeah. That's obviously that's fine. If good is out, entertaining is next up. The 49er signed Trent Williams to a two year $50 million extension. Oh, he's only made $218 million. Yes. That's a Christian Capricorn. Oh, okay. Yes, Jason. I forgot your and Purdy. Yeah. Trent Williams is, he's great. He is an all timer and this was, this was great. I just thought at first I forgot that you, I thought you were a Cardinals fan because I have left them. Yes. I remember now. We talked about the trade already. Brandon Aubrey, an agreement with the Cowboys, highest paid kicker in NFL history for your extension, 7 million a year, 20 million guaranteed. Which 7 million a year, most ever for a kicker, 20 guaranteed most ever for a kicker. Those are not big numbers. No. That's like, and it's so worth it. Brandon Aubrey changes your offense. Trent Williams to you. Old man Trent Williams to your $50 million extension. 218 made and then Brandon Aubrey best kicker in football, 20 million guaranteed. I mean, it's tough when the positions get bracketed into, this is the amount of money that this position makes. Even though someone like Brandon Aubrey is just so incredibly valuable when you know that your kicker is going to make a 50 plus yard kick. He just, he will. You're like, we're in the 60s. He probably is going to make this kick. When Justin Tucker was right at the peak of his career, he was so incredibly valuable for that team on a regular basis, but it's a superpower. So congratulations, Aubrey. Alec Pierce was absent from OTAs, underwent ankle surgery, looking at a three month recovery. This is after he signed the big deal. He was being impacted by pain in that ankle, I guess, during last season. All right. Then proved he was super tough and everybody else would have gotten surgery but him, but now he's getting the surgery. Mac Jones would not have gotten the surgery. He couldn't afford it until he signed that contract. Now he's like, dude, you know what I get? First thing I'm getting surgery. All right. We will take a break. We've got some ADP price checks. Should be pretty fun. Thank you all so much for being here at our wedding. I can't believe I get to spend the rest of my life with a woman of my dreams. Speaking of dreams, have you ever dreamed of tasting all the colors of the rainbow? Because that is exactly what you get with Skittles. Five bold fruit flavors in every pack. Lemon, orange, lime, strawberry and black currant. They're chewy, they're colorful, they're perfect. Just like my wife. So thank you for coming and remember to buy Skittles. Shamelessly promote the rainbow. Taste the rainbow. You better check yourself before you wreck yourself. All right. We are going to walk through some names with only ADP average drive, average draft position that we have right now is going to be the underdog 12 team basketball drafts. But people are doing those every single day for money. And so that is the best gauge we have until people start mock drafting and redraft leagues. So it's just a bit of bring up some names, talk about where we think they might be going, and then I think we follow up and talk about where we think they might go on redraft and whether they look like values or not. So the first player to talk about is Jaden Daniels of the Washington commanders. We just got a little uniform refresh. Teams are now doing the barely changing. Seriously, what is this about? The jersey thing so that we can get you to buy slightly new jerseys. But do people really buy a new like, oh man, there's a little extra yellow there. I got to have it. The jersey people do. I mean, I buy the New Suns jersey every year. And if you don't, you're dumb. Yeah, I'm dumb. I mean, imagine wearing an old jersey. No, that's what a loser. That's my secret. When I go to like a Suns game, I be a loser and you don't have to worry about it. No, you get the throwback. So like from now on, Cardinals should always be Larry Fitzgerald or Kurt Warner. They can't throwbacks are great. Throwbacks are great. The slightly older version. Like if anybody's wearing a Atlanta Falcons jersey this year of last year's jersey, that's not a throwback. That's lame. Yeah. We don't make a difference. I'm starting to throwback would be like one of them. I'm not going to be on Sanders, you know, red jerseys. It has to be Doug Glanville. Like it can't be sort of old. Yes. Old. Yes. Okay. I'm taking notes. I grab my pen. Jaden Daniels. I look at last year as a deleted year for Washington in general, right? I mean, it was, yes, he played seven games, but did he, you know, it just didn't feel like he ever got it going. Well, because in the seven games, you were like, Mr. Daniels, what the heck? I spent a very high pick on you. Well, I mean, and you look at these matchups like he started the year against the Giants in Green Bay, got hurt for a couple of games, came back against the Chargers on the road, had a nice game against Chicago, a letdown against Dallas, missed another game, came back against Seattle, missed the rest of the, I mean, almost the rest of the season. Him and Terry were like two, uh, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two passing in the night. Yeah. Weeks. Seven, uh, Terry McClory, Terry McClory didn't play week nine, Terry McClory didn't play. So this is, you really only had two games where you saw Jane Daniels and Terry McClory on the field. It was, and Terry got training camped. Right. Yeah. It came out slow, looked, uh, look like a guy who needed training camp. Like he should have practiced a little bit longer. So I agree with you. You throw out last year completely speaking of last year. Jane Daniels was the third quarterback being drafted last year. He was the race to get Jane Daniels was happening in all your drafts. So this year after a completely lost year where when he was playing, he wasn't putting up big fantasy numbers. However, he was rushing just the same. His scramble rate was higher. Um, his total rushing attempts per game was higher. Yeah. And then other guys kind of, there's excitement around players like Drake may, you know, Joe Burroughs, healthy. I think a year removed from the hype. I think it's going to be lower. Let's let's look at, let's guess the, what quarterback off the board he is. Okay. And then the round. Let's guess it that way. Um, I think Jane Daniels is probably the quarterback. I'm thinking eight or nine. Oh, yeah. I think it's higher than that. I was going, I'm going to go eight. I'm in four or five. I'll be in the, I'll be in the, six, six, six. Uh, it doesn't matter. Jamie, where's the water bottle? It's right by your left foot. When you have a chance to spray Jason with water for being stupid, you got to do it. You should leave that on the table. I wasn't fast enough. I'm going to say quarterback eight. Mike, you're saying quarterback. I'll go just picking it, pick a number. That's the whole guessing. I'll go five and I'll go six and five, six and eight. And then round wise, I mean, that's, that probably ends up being, um, can't put it by you. You're going to, maybe the fifth round for us. Yeah. Six round for me, maybe. Yeah. Somewhere around there. All right. Let's go. Do we have this on the board? Reveal yourself. So what quarterback is that? That is the quarterback. I guess we're going to have to look that up. That's the quarterback three. Yeah. In the sixth. What? People are on, on a underdog. Wow. Yep. He right now he is. So it goes. Josh Allen Lamar and there's Jaden to be fair, Jaden and, uh, Joe Burrow are very close to each other. Could you see yourself taking Jaden over Joe Burrow? Yes. I can see it. I will let the NFL draft go because at seven, I'm not a hundred percent convinced the, that Washington will take a wide out. They really do need one. But like if, if they take someone like Tate at pick number seven, that will be very, very exciting. That the fact that it's not just Terry McLauren versus the world. So I can see it. I can see it. It blows my mind that he is vaulted right back up there after a year off and the, because people are like, you're saying there's, they're like, I'm deleting it. I think it's got to be the rushing, the rushing consistency and the fact that that's a superpower in fantasy. And you just want to get the next one of those. But that's a little bit surprising to me. We were all wrong. I mean, in terms of the quarterback number off the board, round wise, we were about right. But, um, yeah, they, they need to add a weapon that gives you confidence, not just Chigokonko, you know, to the offense. Debo is going to be, I mean, Debo is gone, right? So it's funny. These names, like they're going to start popping up. Debo, Samuel, Kenan Allen, some of these other names that don't have teams are going to pop up on some franchise. And it did not mean good things for Ladd McConchie. Let's do. No, right. Um, so Jaden Daniels QB three, six, oh two in the draft. Is there a fit wide receiver wise, you know, the Denzel Boston, Omar Cooper's that you think works best alongside. They have to drop to the third though. They do not have a second rounder right now. Yeah. Basically at seven, they're either going to take one of these top three guys and, and that's really the difference maker for Jaden Daniels. He needs one of that level of player. That's what the commanders need in general. Um, you know, however, if a great defensive guy slips to them, they could very well, like, you know, uh, I had, uh, sunny styles dropping to them in my mock. And so they didn't take a wide receiver in the first. And if they don't, like Mike said, they don't have a lot of picks, a lot of capital to, to really move the needle. Personally, I'm not sure that like next year when, when I'm looking at quarterbacks, I'm targeting, depending on where Drake may is going, depending on where Jalen Hertz is going, people aren't going to be hot and bothered, uh, with Jalen Hertz anymore, burrow. There's, there's a handful of names. If he's really the quarterback three off the board, I, I went into this episode thinking he was going to be quite a value. It seems like he has not. Yeah. I was kind of guessing the same. Let's jump into another name. Traveyan Henderson of the New England Patriots. Just eight weeks to the season you didn't get to see much of him. Week nine through the end of the year you saw a lot of him is the RB nine in that stretch sixteen point seven fantasy points per game five point three yards per touch. I would imagine in the majority of those games Mike still felt like he was being underutilized in all of them. Yeah accurately so. But you know there's not Remandry is not going anywhere. No. You know you continue to take a step forward. You add a J Brown to the offense. You add Romeo Dobbs to the offense. I think the passing game will get a lot of attention in the offseason. So where do you think players are going to put Travo. I would I'll say. I think he's probably running back 19. I think that's a very good. Yeah I was going to say he's in the 20s which is surprising with his breakout as a rookie as as not only just a rookie but one that people were all excited about. You know you're you're my guy right. Who's a my guy last year. Had that breakout look like he was going to be the next Jameer Gibbs superstar to have him not in the top 20 at running back. But this is I got to remember this and we haven't revealed it. No I know I know I know I'm thinking of normal rankings but I'm not considering you know an underdog. A lot of times you're you're swinging for the fences trying to hit the home run. Travo is a home run. Yeah I'll just say running back 20. So I'm at 19 you're at 20 Mike. What do you want to go. I'll go running back. Oh he he finishes running back 18. I bet he's drafted around there. I 19 20. I'm worried about Ramon. Ray you should be worried that he's good. Oh no. I was worried about the U.S. I'm worried that he's going to sharpen a that that teams are just like. Yeah go go on Ramon. All right. 20 I'm going to say that'll be the fifth round. I'm going late fourth. Yeah I'll go with the fourth round. Go ahead and show me the ADP. Oh yeah. 411. That is the RB 20. Oh he is on the dot. RB 20 on the dot in the back of the 11th round. You win this time. I don't know. It's weird because like the prototype of Travon Henderson is to say he's a home run. Like there's this home run possibility. I don't see it in this office. Like even if Ramon Ray's hurt I think they'll utilize other guys. I don't think they look at Travon Henderson as a like I don't look at him like Jameer Gibbs from a three down perspective. I don't think he has that. I don't think he I think he does. It's it's like the the AJ Brown. I think it is happening. So then you're OK more touchdowns. But do they give goal line work to to Henderson or do they go back to Ramon Ray. It was the the fact that he broke talking about Henderson the way he broke out in the middle of the season and towards it. It was like it was a true breakout. It was awesome. It was he was changing the game and then they're like yeah but we still got Ramon Ray. We like him. So I I don't know if heading into the sophomore year if that will get totally flipped if it gets flipped then then he's a steal at running back 20 which that that's the decision you got to make when you're building your teams. Yeah he's going to be a really interesting player this year because we know they're going to win a lot of football games and you want young talent on talent on really good football teams and running backs get injured. I mean this is one of those situations where when when you are getting a really talented back in a time share there is always the opportunity of an injury to the other party. You know just just like what happened in his rookie year when Ramon Ray got injured. He was forced to be the guy and we know here's what we know. I know you say you don't see him as a three down bell cow. That is probably correct when when we look at how are they going to utilize them. They're not going to force that they have no reason to but I do believe he can do it and will excel at it when given that opportunity so an injury can always make that happen. That's the type of player I would want at running back 20. I think a couple interesting things about him for him to be a top 10 guy we were looking at those target total. He those would have to come up. I think I mean that nine game stretcher he was really good. He only had he was only on 45 target pace during those nine games. He's averaging about 16 opportunities a game. I don't know if he's a guy that would stay as efficient with as much work but he's explosive. He can he can break a long touchdown. He can catch the football. They just didn't do it as much. In fact Ramon Ray caught the ball a lot. So he's an interesting name for this upcoming year Jalen Warren the ever disrespected. Yeah. I just my face says it all. It's like it's how I feel to this is it. He feels like Tony Pollard. He was the running back. He was the running back 16. He was the running back 16 while sharing time with Kenneth Gainwell who led the team in receptions and is no longer there. And I'm very confident he's after Hendo. No one's drafting him ahead of Travion Henderson. No I think I think Jalen Warren you know we've had 20 years with Mike Tallinn right where we've got to like see that grimace on his face and nobody's doing it running back and it's a little it's a little we won't see it anymore. No I know I'm saying it makes it different. It makes it all right right. A variable like Mike McCarthy does he use. Do we get another one of his little Ezekiel Elliott committee years. Well that's it's the best player he on their running back in the running back room right. Well I don't know. Well they got Rico they got Rico it's the they got Caleb. He's not factoring into the equation is Jalen Warren versus Rico. It's the reunion of Mike McCarthy and Rico which the Rico Dowdall breakout year. If you are newer or you don't remember it was the second half of the year in the debt with the Dowdall Cowboys with Mike McCarthy. But then they dumped him. I know that's saying it's all good to come back to McCarthy or bad. I think it's good for Rico. All right Jalen Warren running back 25. I'll go after that man. I'm going to say 27. Yeah when he said I did you see when he said after that I thought I thought he was like I thought he meant it like in a significant way not like whoa I'll go one cent. It's the price is right rules man. Well I just sounded more like you were going to say 30 or something take 26 man. I wonder if you and Rika are going right near each other. I bet they are. I'm going to go running back 29. Yeah so you're talking like a seventh eighth round pick. Yeah. All right. Right now he is going as the running back 29 running back 29 am. That's where Jason would have picked if he had more courage. Seven oh 25 I'm going way after that. Two spots. I was two spots away from being you said he's 40 years old. He looks way older than that 41. At RB 29 does that and Rico is at 31 and Rico is at 31. If I had to choose between the two I feel like I'd want to go Rico. I lean Rico as well because I feel like like Warren is kind of I will stick with Jalen Warren serpable. I mean but so is Rico every team that he's been on no matter how well he plays he's never whatever is happening in the locker room he was seen it. It's kind of like when you talk about Kenneth Walker you're like I'm not sure how it's going to fail but it just always does some way whether it's you're healthy and you get Charbonade whether it's your great but you can't stay healthy just we've had year after year after year after year where we see flashes just doesn't work out. That's Rico always a bridesmaid. Yeah I mean it's like no matter he's had these unbelievable stretches where you're like this is a top tier running back. You had a thousand yards and yet teams just are like he does not matter to us at all. In what two year 12 and a half million dollars for Rico. Okay. Are you asking. I'm saying that that's what it was. But this so this will be a good example so we we talk about ambiguous backfields as a for a strategy because they you don't know what to do here. Jaylin Warren Rico do I really want anyone on the Pittsburgh Steelers and the answer is based off of their cost. Yes you 100% do. You'll we'll we'll track this you know stick with the show we'll track this over training camp with the drumbeat who who's getting the buzz of like they're the more likely. Neither will move up enough in the draft to make them too expensive. Right. You brought up in the just the tips we did last off season. Eight and a half teams on average per year have lacked a top 24 drafted running back in fantasy. Totally makes sense. Those numbers make sense. Eight to nine teams have nobody that's being drafted in the top 24 at the position. Yeah. Makes sense from a math perspective. Yes. I'm just saying like from an opportunity perspective you know I think losing Tomlin gives me a little bit less confidence that they will be you know consistent the way they've always been but Mike McCarthy is kind of the other example of that type of guy. We're like McCarthy shows up and people play pretty hard. The follow up to that is five players from those teams on average per year jump into the top 24 and follow up of that. Oh there's not. This is my step. No this was your step was that you tried to pick the ones on the best offense. Yes. And we've had a lot of success the last couple of years picking like Javante. Yes. Last year it was disgusting but we did it was disgusting. It was like OK but you know the Cowboys are probably going to have a good offense. So you take maybe someone wanted whoever the rookie was blue last year or you choose Javante but you want to take one of those ambiguous backfields from a good offense. The question now for Jalen Warren for Rico Dowdle is I mean first of all who's the quarterback is right now Aaron Rodgers is not well Howard right now reporting that he's a good offense. Now I love that it was reported before this like they expect to know by the draft and now it's just being reported like oh they're not going to know by the draft. It's like yeah because we're a week from the draft and you don't know it's so wild. I don't even if Aaron Rodgers comes back I would not put this as like as a really good offense as a top half offense. So TBT we'll take a break and then we'll talk about Jalen Warren of the Watt. Thank you all so much for being here at our wedding. I can't believe I get to spend the rest of my life with the woman of my dreams speaking of dreams. 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I mean he should but he's he's 30 years old and he missed so much of last year coming off of that and he played the end of it. He did play at the end so you know he also missed almost all of the previous year. Yeah but the you know that injury that took him out for you know the second half of last year and the first half of this year right before that injury he was averaging over 16 fantasy points a game. Now Mike Evans is gone the opportunity for him to come in and maybe even be the one still exists on this team. Man he feels like he feels like an 86 reception for 870 yard guy this year to me like I at age 30 I tend to agree with you. I don't want to be our guy that is I'm going to put my ADP guess at wide receiver 30 four I'll go wide receiver 41 and I'm going to say that's the ninth round. Mike I'm going to look at the middle. I'm surprised. I was trying to remember what you said. You said 34. Oh 38. All right he is the wide receiver 43. OK. In the eighth round. I feel like this is not a ceiling draft selection so this is where it gets tough. You this is where you'll be picking Chris Godwin or a rookie that you don't know how they might emerge like. I don't know if I'm going to draft him. He's to me Godwin still feels like depending on how many fantasy football leagues I'm in. I will if let's say I'm in five leagues I'm going to make sure I have Godwin on at least one or two of those teams of like a book is going to be the hotness and it chasing youth especially youth like that. A young NFL player who already had a breakout which I do we could do. Yeah. Break out. Yes. OK. So you follow. Broke right back in. Let me in. You into the jail cell and pulled the door closed. OK. So a book is going as a wide receiver 17. That makes complete sense for the situation that they are in. But I was like I said if I have multiple multiple teams I'm there. I think there is a chance that Godwin is easy easily the best wide receiver for fans. Yeah. If it's what I said a minute ago he still has the opportunity with Evans out of the way to be the wide receiver one for Baker Mayfield for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. If a book like that couldn't find a over the second half. Baker just couldn't connect. No with a book. Baker can connect with Chris Godwin. They know which in England. Right. Yeah. I think that's a good comp a quality wide receiver who's going to be in the right spot and do the right thing for a veteran quarterback in Baker. And that's not always great for fantasy. I'm shaking my head. Move into this next name because you know on our website we have you know we have the game log for these players and you know you see the games that are top 24 finishes top 12 finishes. They're green. Anything in that middle tier wide receiver three range they're yellow and then the red games are these bust games for our consistency charts. Just looking at this means stop we want you to stop doing that stop stop it. Brian Thomas Jr. for Jacksonville this is a game log that is horrific and terrifying for where he was drafted and what you saw from him. There's a lot more green on Parker Washington's game log. The Jags are hilarious. I don't know if you if you tuned into last week's foot cast we were talking about Travis Hunter you know the reports come out he's going to be a full time DV part time wide receiver and right now in dynasty people are they're trying to flip Travis Hunter and Andy got an offer I got an offer for Travis I've met. Did you get an offer. I did not. You were lucky. I guess but these were like it's like how do you not want Travis Hunter the number two overall pick and at the end of everything. Andy didn't trade for him. I didn't trade. No and I got more offers over the weekend and we just seem quite good thing and then you got Brian Thomas Jr. Do I want Brian Thomas but the Jags are going to be a top tier offense. They're going to be really good. They're going to be fantastic and we're looking at the wide receivers like I don't here's what I don't know who I want. What's so weird about weird like you said certifiably that a book a broke out right. Yes. Which then of course Brian Thomas Jr. broke out. Oh for sure. He had a he didn't finish as the water super seven is rookie year his final six games of the season and I know is Mack Jones and some Trevor Lawrence. But to be clear are you talking about the the previous year. Yeah we were drafting. Here's what we were drafting on a pace of 127 for 1714 14 touchdowns. So 200 targets 127 receptions 1700 yards 14 touchdowns. That was his final six weeks and then we're like now figure out where to draft him in the draft and he went super high. He was in the conversation with Malik neighbors as far as like town after after that rookie year was like he is was he just as good as his college teammate and it's almost you can't even think like that anymore after this bust of a sophomore season. You can't remember how good Brian Thomas Jr. was as a rookie but he did that. He did that in the NFL. He did it without Jacoby Myers or Travis Hunter or Parker Washington surrounding him with a different quarterback and I it's really hard to look at Brian Thomas and be like I think he's just going to settle into mediocrity as for his career but that's how it feels right now. I don't feel like there's margin for anything remarkably close to those numbers in this offense when you have those other names. They just gave a huge contract to Jacoby Myers. Parker Washington has emerged. I think Travis Hunter plays offense to me Brian Thomas Jr. again this is not a discussion about what he's going to do is where he's being drafted and I think it's I think he's being drafted as the wide receiver in the 20s 20. Yeah 26 I'll go 26. I'm gonna go 26. What do you think that was the number of my yeah that was the number of my go. I'm with I'm with you. I think he's wide receiver 26. Yeah you've still got a lot of hope a lot of youth a lot of course extreme athleticism and we've talked about this in the past as well. It is often a good bet when you can get a discount and you're looking at the guys that are going falling in drafts. There's always a reason right. Oh the quarterback play the talent the age the whatever and then you've got to write the path forward but the paths when we look back at the players who dropped and then went outstanding just rebounded in one fantasy leagues. A lot of times they have done it before Chris Godwin was one of these people once before in his career. Cooper Cup was one of those players where it was like we had seen them be great before they got injured or they struggled or whatever and they were they were done with them and then then Cooper Cup was the number one wide receiver in all of fantasy. So I think Brian Thomas Jr. can can get back and so 26 for me and Jason what do you got Mike. I'll go 24. The answer is the wide receiver 31. Yeah. Oh my gosh. He is still being drafted at Parker Washington who's wide receiver 35. Jacobi Myers who's wide receiver 41. I'm assuming Travis Hunter is nowhere to be found. Oh. I was ever 64. So that is. I mean if I take the most complete package of the group I definitely take the shot on Brian Thomas Jr. There's an offense that good and no one being drafted in the top 30 wide receiver. There is gold in the hills boys. I mean that's like my guy calling your name J. Brian Thomas. Nice try. I know I know what you're saying. We're talking about these ambiguous. It works both in the wide receiver core and in the running back room you want a good offense and you don't know where it's going to come from. This is a wide receiver group that you're like well there's too many mouths to feed here. I'm not sure who could break out. So we're going to draft none of them except if you say one of these guys Brian Thomas Jr. Parker Washington Jacobi Myers was going to be a top 15 wide receiver in fantasy. BTJ of course it's going to be Brian Thomas Jr. What if I told you that after the bi-week so we're talking weeks nine through 18 this is for football season that's a decent sample. There's no Travis Sonser because he got he was already hurt the target share Jacobi 21 percent Parker Washington 21 percent Brent and strange 16 percent Brian Thomas Jr. I don't know if you're doing the math we're running out of targets. We're running out of percent. We're running out of time. 15. 15. Yeah. And he moved I mean he was not running. This is a different offense different head coach different so coordinator. Well I was saying the year before to have they have the bi-week and they go word and because weeks one through seven Brian Thomas was the dominant. Here's why that here's why I think this this happened midseason. I don't blame them at all for making that was stinky because the first seven weeks up to the bi-week. He was on target for a hundred and thirty three targets great. He was like you said the market share was great. He was everything we wanted in fantasy except he caught less than half of those both right. He was forty nine percent catch rate. It was ruining drives. OK now let me also they go into the bi-week and they're like we got to fix this right and then they're like hey this is the new plan moving forward and then they go eight and one. So now they go to the offseason and they get to do anything I am because there is a non-zero chance that he's traded on Thursday. Oh I think he's on the team. I mean I again I'm not saying the odds are that that happens. I'm just saying there's been enough hope for you to have inside of those like don't be shocked if this happens you're like I'm not an is it going to happen. No but don't be shocked. But remember I said remember I told you not to be shocked. I think that there's a there's room for this team. You just made the case why they can succeed without him. That's what you just did. It's like it because they they can use Travis Hunter who they didn't have. That will be a very wild mystery to solve this offseason. All right. Real quick here. Let's do one more name. Just guess the ADP of where Colston Loveland is going right now. Oh I'll tell you that much to my right. Maybe. Pointed at day. I don't know. Mr. Love laying himself. I'm going to say he's the tight end three three three. Yeah as much as we all love Colston Loveland you can't draft him over McBride or Bowers no but I think he's the next man up and let's put him depending on Daniel Jones I still think I might go Tyler Warren over him but yeah I probably. It's not nonsense man. He was he was great. They were both great. They could both be great. No they can't. There could be only one. What round Colston Loveland is going I'll say third round. I think it'll be I think it'll be lower. I still think think I'm early fourth but yeah late late fourth. All right. Where are we with Colston Loveland right now. He is the tight end three going in the late four. Too low. I told you fourth round but still the tight end three. I think that's appropriate. I think that's if you really look at inappropriate. It's like Mr. Likeland. Yeah. That's not good enough. Get on board people at the fourth round. There's a dog in the back of the fourth waiting for you with a lot of with a lot of good. I'm with you like let's grab. I'll be going elsewhere. I'll be grabbing a running back or a wide receiver. It's funny because I have for those of you that follow along with our League of Record and what we do in that league we have a keeper lottery. You have one franchise player and then you have three players that go into a keeper lottery. They can't match the position group of the franchise player and then on draft like runs when the draft's over we're going to find out what players going back. My three keepers are a Marihan Hampton uses your lottery. Yeah. My lottery a Marihan Hampton Kenneth Walker and Colston Loveland. And so by all measures I want to lose Loveland in that draft. Yeah. That makes sense. Except what about the measure of your heart. The measure of my heart wants that dog on my team. I want that dog. Well the good news is I could just draft. You won't be too disappointed then. Yeah. I think that puts me in a better spot if I'm you know having to give back a running back but gosh I got to lock in my keepers. Do you have any. Yeah. No that's good. You got good. You got good. I got some good. Share. Good. By the way I think my my franchise is going to be Malik neighbors I think. Oh man. Dance. Dance with the but if I get shaky you know shaky legs by the end of this draft maybe I mix it up. You don't have very long. I know. That's well here's Saturday. Here's what shaky legs would be. They draft. They they draft Jordan Tyson. They're draft. They will draft one of the three. I know. All right. And I think it's I think it's Tyson. Maybe Hampton becomes a franchise. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe this is this is why the draft is why we do this after the draft. Mm hmm. It's because we we don't want to force somebody to make those pics. Give Tyler. Shuck and Jackson Dart. Vepin one of them. Vepin one of them. I think I've got a I think I've got a risk Jonathan Taylor. So what do you think you're what do you think your set up's going to be. So yeah. That's my shot. We got a couple minutes. OK. So this is work work out some personal problems. My two best players are are CD lamb and Jonathan Taylor. OK. Right. I think I'm going to be a franchise right. Then my other players I've got Josh Jacobs Travis E.T.N. What's that. Oh Travis H.N. H.N. Jr. Travis H.N. Jr. And I guess David Montgomery or as I call it run Boliah. Rumble. I make you want to keep him more. It does make you want to keep him. I would rather have Rumble. At lunch the other day and I was like this is fantastic. Rumble is better than learning his name. And then and then I've got. I'm so dumb. I've got Chris Olava and Roma Dunes a. So it feels like my strength is that the running. You got to go see three running guys. You got to try to get a run. I mean a pair of running backs. You're not going to be that unhappy in any kind of. I'll be pretty unhappy if I lose Jonathan Taylor. OK. Mike Scott. I will. My three for those of you have Bijon McCaffrey and Chase Brown are my three lotto. So one of those is like the other. The draft could be what are you three Bijon Christian McCaffrey Chase Brown. So our draft could have Bijon and Johnny Taylor. They're please have you cannot lose Chase Brown. I will be so upset. What do you got out. What do you got out. What's your situation like franchise. Oh to march. Yeah my friend more than likely it'll be Trey McBride franchised Drake London Garrett Wilson and quench on Judkins. OK. It's a good franchise. Do we got one more dude in the office Papa Josh. Let's hear it. It's TBD still. Wow. You don't have a clue on your franchise player. No we're waffling big time because we have give me the players are waffling between. We can help you out here. Yeah we got you. We do this for our friends. I'm good. I don't trust you guys. I don't trust you guys. No no no no no no. I want to know. Fine I'm going to have to pull this up. We can manipulate your system. Why don't you pull it up. We haven't decided yet. OK. No we're going to decide right now because you didn't want to tell us. Don't you worry. All right. So he's got. Here he is. So he's probably going to franchise. Now you see what I'm talking about. So he has Pukinakua and he has Almanra. OK. Which means if you franchise one of those guys you cannot keep the other in your lottery because they have to be different positions. So then if he were to and then his running backs are his best running backs like Kyron Kyron and Javante and Bucky. He could franchise Tyler Warren. He could franchise Tyler Warren. Flexibility. He also has a Puka Almanra Kyron. Yeah. Or Rushy Rice. Yeah. You've got some decisions. Yeah. That's why I wasn't joking man. I don't know what I'm doing. I think I would franchise Kyron but Puka Almanra and Rushy Rice. That's probably what we're leaning for. I think I'd franchise one of the. I think I'd franchise Puka my number one wide receiver. Really. And throw that. Throw Warren Warren Kyron Bucky. For my three. I would do that too if I were you. No. What would you do Mike. Eileen Eileen what Jason said. OK. I mean it's what you guys make out. It's the player. Go to that Sedona resort. It says you have a 33 percent chance of losing the player you don't want to lose. Those are good odds. UltimateDraftGate.com. Get in the contest. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter at the FF ballers.