1426 - Gia Now has a Husband and a Lesbian Partner

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And then I wound up with, in a relationship with my best friend. I always kind of like women, but I was never with women. And I mean, it's a whole situation of going on here, full-fledged poly, but it didn't start that way. It's so interesting, the whole story. I mean, this is a woman who is married, always kind of knew she liked lesbian, porn, but never really put it together. But then she started to realize she probably did like women, and she was married and her marriage had a rough spot. And she had this friend at the same time, she explains what her and her husband do for work and how she met this friend and how over time she started to like realize she kind of was attracted to this friend and it turned out that the friend had been with women. And eventually, I mean, you're going to hear the whole story and she really builds it and tells it really well. It's not as quick as I'm telling it. You're going to hear all the details, but they eventually wind up hooking up and then the guys get involved and then they start hooking up with each other's guys and then feelings get involved. And now the two of them are like definitely a girlfriend and girlfriend to the point where sometimes she annoys her husband because she has problems with her and but they're totally in love. She's got a husband, she's got a girlfriend, her friend also has a husband and a girlfriend and everyone's kind of hooking up and everyone's kind of happy and it's such a super interesting story and situation ship that they have going on. It's very poly, like I said, if you ask me as at this point, they're poly without setting out to be poly and it is working and it's interesting and I do have hot picks of her over on my page. You on the link is in the description, but you're going to love the story. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Gia. Hi Gia. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good. How are you Kathy? I'm good. Listen, you called up on the Confessions line and left a naughty confession. I was like, Oh, this is kind of an interesting one. I've never heard of. You're a married woman. I am. You were married to your guy and somewhere along the line, you guys hit like a rough patch and you had never been with women, but maybe you were always wanted to. I don't know, but somehow, and you're going to give me the details. I'm going to tell the short story and it might not be totally accurate, but somehow you wind up like hooking up with one of your very good friends and now you guys are like continuing to hook up and you're kind of like in a situation ship with each other and your husband is okay with it and it's all on the up and up, right? But this all kind of just happened out of nowhere and you're now you actually have a husband and maybe a girlfriend. I don't even know. You tell me. Yes. Yes. Who was your girlfriends? Like your really regular friend, right? For a long time. Yeah, she was my best friend and we met. Do you want me to tell you that? How we met? Well, does that come before your husband? No. So let's start with your husband. Let's get this back to her and then she'll come in this situation when you're in the chronological order. So how long you've been married to your guy, Gia? We've been married over 30 years. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And married out of high school. And he's a little bit older than me, but he was in college. I was in high school then we got married and we had a great life together, had children and now we are actually grandparents and it's, you know, but a few years ago, about three, four years ago, we and I'll tell you what we were doing at the time. We were life coaching, like very, very successful life coaches. Lots of people in and out of our lives. So like, it's the kind of situation where nobody would have ever known that we were having a difficult time because we did tons of marriage stuff. We did tons of individual stuff. You're more being the experts is what you're saying and you guys were like floundering at home. That, listen, that's very common. And I can't help it. But like, just if any of the listeners are listening, just know if you are the one giving to people all the time, you will often like take away at home. So like, we were not practicing what we were preaching basically. Interesting. Because we were giving to so many people all the time to everybody. We felt guilty not to, not to be there for everybody else. And it just sort of, after many years, just kind of, we still loved each other. But there was just a day that I was like, Hey, I feel like something is really off. And I always use the word that we would like go to like our pain threshold and stop. And that day, I just had this thing in me that was like, I can't do it anymore. Because we're fighting all the time. And that was not like us. So nobody would have ever thought. And the reason has to be anonymous is because we've told this story, like I'm being very generic. And people are like, What? You guys had problems? And we literally looked at each other and said, Do you have a plan B? And we both said yes. What was the plan? And the plan B was once our youngest daughter left, we had a plan B of how we're going to leave each other and neither of us knew. Oh, so that was always keeping you guys staying because you're like, worry, the minute they leave, I'm fucking out of here. Yeah. And I didn't know he had a plan B for sure. And he didn't know I had a plan B. For a living, we basically read people and could tell you everything about people. You know, we obviously knew we just quit talking about it and confronting it. And and we would try to we would just basically fuck it out and then just act like everything was okay, but it wasn't. So we came to that day. And and in it, we made a decision that not everybody can do, but a lot of people that call into your show, I do hear them say this. Uh, we just we looked at each other and I said the number one thing for me is no secrets. Because like, you know, we find out that like, all the like fantasies that we've had are all this shit that we've done throughout our marriage, neither of us ever physically cheated. That's one thing that we can can honestly say. But like, you know, he's looking at porn all he wants and hiding it from me. And, you know, I basically had, you know, almost an emotional affair with somebody one time. And it's just kind of like this, just this like thing we just kept pushing back is like, no, no, we're good, we're good. But you're basically like having like separate lives in a weird way, even though it's not with other people, you are making up with it outside of each other. You're not using each other like you should. Yes, and we're completely growing apart. Like it was and we like, he is the absolute love of my life. Like, I cannot imagine not having him in my life. And so, but but that day a few years ago, like, we just made a decision, we've got to talk about whether we're going to stay or go. And if we go, we got to figure out how to tell our kids, you know, like all this stuff. So we, we make the decision to stay together. But if we had one rule, one, one major rule, there would be no more secrets again, ever, like ever. And not everybody can do that. My personality is tell me everything, every single detail of any shit you've ever done, anything you've ever lied to me about, like, I've got to know everything and then let me process it. And that works for my personality. It works for his personality. It's not always like pretty, but it works. Like, we work it out because we promise each other like that was our one rule. So we have no secrets. So in that, once we decided, yeah, we're going to stay together, like we, we love, we really do love each other. Let's figure this out. I forgive you, you forgive me, let's move forward. We so we would just be like driving on the road and just randomly ask each other like extremely random questions, especially about sexual stuff. And one day I looked at him and I said, do you understand that had you told me that you were like looking at porn and chill, I mean, he's a man like I'm assuming he is, but when you lie about it, that's that was the biggest thing was the secret in the lie. And so I'm like, I would have looked at porn with you. I didn't look at porn because I was afraid it would hurt you. And he was like, what? And I said, yeah, like, like that, I like it. I watched porn all when I was a teenager and, you know, till we got married and all this stuff. And, and I said, and he was like, Oh, and he asked me one day what kind of porn I like, I was like, well, I like to look at the girls. And he's like, what? And I was like, yeah. And I finally, through that series of conversations, like I finally told him, I was like, you have no idea how many times we've been fucking and I'm pretending I'm fucking your girl like fantasizing. But we were out of place in a relationship. It didn't make him mad. Of course, he was like, Oh, my God, that's so hot. And the next question is, have you ever been with her? I'd never been with a girl. And it was just one of those. I don't know. I just had always decided I grew up in a very religious home, very religious home. So any sex outside of marriage was bad, you're going to go to hell, you know, and especially any sort of homosexual, whatever, lesbian stuff like that was, that was like the worst of the worst. And so I just always kept it in. And as I got older, especially now with TikTok and social media and everything, I am just finding out now, like at my age, which is over 45, finding out now that like, not all women want to like find other women like sexually attractive. I thought all women were like, Oh no, every woman loves boobs. Every woman. It's not true. I don't know that. That's interesting that you thought that though. I don't understand. I really did like because it's it's always been a part of my life. And you know, I also growing up religious, everybody said, Well, if you are a lesbian, or if you're gay, then you probably had some sexual trauma, some elastation, something happened in your life. Not true. I grew up in a very safe home. It was literally just from that. I can remember being five and thinking, Oh, that woman is so beautiful and having like genuine sexual feelings. What about you think you even had romantic feelings maybe available? 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I would marry, I would have children like I was, you know, had the traditional dreams of those things, but there would just be times when I would just think like it was difficult for me to read any kind of, you know, spicy anything or watch anything where there were lesbians because I would literally fantasize about it and masturbate to it later. And it made me feel so bad because we were not allowed to like, you do not do that. I didn't give a shit if I saw a dick on porn. I wanted to see titties. I mean, that was like, it was the women that made it sexual, even though I was extremely attracted to men, like always dated guys, you know, fuck guys, like that was in America, you know, I married a man's man. And so as we talked about everything, we just got very open sexually. So that year I asked him, one of the things that I didn't know is that he had gone to strip clubs a few times while we were married and everything. And, and I was like, you're going to take me to a strip club for my birthday. And he was like, no way, because I'm a very strong woman. And he said, I'm afraid that you're going to go in there. And like, we're going to get kicked out because you're going to start a fight or something. Yeah. Okay. Which I'm not a fighter, like that's never been, I was, I was so jealous. Yeah. Oh, interesting. So jealous, so jealous of like anybody looking at him, him looking at anybody like I was obsessively jealous. He was too, but it was in a different way. I was the typical why are you look, why is that way to talk to me like that? Like I would interrupt a server and say, you can talk to me. I don't like the way you're looking at him. Yeah, interesting. Like I would, yeah, I grew up in a, you know, I'm, I'm Gen X. So we were the fuck around and find out. But can I ask you a quick question and then you go over back to your story because you're doing such a good job. Like now that you sort of change your views about women and know that you kind of like are into them and you've been with them and everything, do you feel different? Like, are you, are you still a jealous person in that way? Or do you feel differently when women are looking at your guy or whatever? Did that change at all? Yeah. Well, I'll tell you when it changes when we decided to, to not have any more secrets. Interesting. And I told him, like, I need to know if a woman walks by and you look at her, like, you have to tell me. I just want to know when he started being that open with me, absolutely all jealousy gone. So it goes to show that it's not so much about, you could handle him thinking that woman's attractive or whatever. It's more about you thinking maybe he's not telling you, and then he's lusting after her. Like it's the, it's the unknown that makes it worse. And I could totally, I think that's what it is for most people, right? Cause I've had boyfriends that will just blatantly be like, look how fucking hot she is. And I'm like, whoa, that's like refreshing. Like that doesn't sting me at all. It stings more when you're with the guy who's like sneaking and you fucking see him out of the corner of your eye. You're like, that's 10 times worse. And they lie and they're like, oh, she's ugly. You know, women with, we had a neighbor, we had a neighbor once that would like blatantly, like I literally told him one day, I was like, listen, you're going to, because we were always quote accountable to each other as, you know, as these marriage counselors and life coaches and all this. We're like, okay, so we have to be super open with each other. This guy flirted with me or I'm allowed to tell you when a woman is like being like, like you're not that dumb, but I'm going to tell you anyway. You know, and so I would say to him about this particular neighbor. I was like, she's coming over here all the time, not to talk to me. Trying to see if I'm home. A woman always knows. Oh my God. Yes. The like sometimes been no offense to the listeners. Y'all are so stupid. Or are you fake like you are? I don't know which but, but he was like, you know, he would always assure me. Oh my gosh. She's so, yeah, I mean, like, yeah, she works out. I can tell she works out or whatever, but you know, she's so ugly. She's, I can't stand her personality or whatever. And now I'm like, I heard one of your, one of your episodes recently, and you're talking about seeing, seeing women with like at the park, their nannies would be like the worst face, but their bodies were super hot. You are such a fucking liar all those years. You would have just put a pillow over her face and fucked her. Of course. He doesn't care about her. He doesn't care about her personality when it comes to all fooling around. She's got good titties and a good body. Like it's yeah, it's on. So that was, that's really what did it for me is it's like I always, I'm a very intuitive person. He is too, but I'm like woman intuitive. And so then you add to it that I've spent years counseling people and I'm reading body language and everything like I knew, but I would push it in the back of my head. So it was, I knew he was hiding something. I knew there was something off. I knew there was always secrets that he just didn't tell me everything. And that made me so insanely jealous that they're not even, by the way, I'm just going to point out they're not even big secrets, right? But they're little and they happen a lot and sometimes and they could, that could like make a woman a little nutty. So I think everyone should take a little bit from this conversation and be like just fucking be honest about this shit. Doesn't mean you're breaking up. Doesn't mean you're fucking anybody else. It just means you're a human being and it's natural and it shouldn't be anything that sort of, you know, makes someone worried about their relationship. Exactly. And I did so much study on like the physiology of men sexually, how much they, I happen to be a very high sex drive woman, but like I knew, you know, I would always tell him like, if you're ever tempted to look at porn or any, I really genuinely did not think that he would cheat on me because he is a good person. Like he's that guy. Like he, I can't really explain it, but that's one of the things he said. He said, you want to know I never cheated on you because I couldn't have lived with myself because I, I see myself as I have to be a good person. Right. And so it wasn't even so much for me. He would say I didn't want to hurt you, but the core was I can't, I can't do, I can't cross that line or I wouldn't be able to live with myself. And so once he started admitting those things where it was more about how he felt internally, you know, the way he grew up, he grew up in a very little just home as well. But, but I will say this, that, that he, he, and this is coming from somebody who has a husband who I can tell you, he, this man, he loves me and I love him. But I would tell him, you know, if you're tempted to look at anything, you know, let me know because I don't want to, I don't want to withhold sex from you. Like if you need to have sex, well, that was never it. Part of it for him was kind of the secret. And that's what hurt the most whenever we were talking about, you know, getting to the bottom of everything. But, you know, if a woman can handle it, like have him tell you if you can't handle it, if you're insecure, no matter what, like, you need to go. But your whole point is that you thought you were too insecure to handle it. But once it was put on you, that actually changed the game. Oh my gosh. Let's get back to that place where you're like talking now about openly, like you're into, you're thinking about women. He knows that all that stuff. Yeah. Like he knows we start really like, we're like, okay, so, so from that day, from the day that we like had that come to Jesus meeting where we're like looking at each other going, all right, this is like for real. Like I hate you. I love you, but I cannot stand you anymore. You know, are we going to stay together? Are we not? But I can't live like this the rest of my life. Like I got to be, I would rather be alone than have, you know, a stranger in the house. From that day on, we made a decision, like, okay, we're going to have sex. And, and it was never like a, we're going to have sex every night for 30 days. Some people do that's a lot of pressure. But we just said we're, we're going to make sure that we're super intentional. We already had sex probably more than most of our friends, probably three to four times a week, even after all those years of marriage. But, but it was mostly because we both have super high sex drive. That day, we looked at each other as mad as we were, as hurt as we were about so many things over those next few days. We, we just like felt really close that we had made that decision to, to start like opening Pandora's box. So we had sex, we have had sex every single day, every day, usually multiple times a day. And when we're apart, we have phone sex every single day for over three years, every day. And we're in our fifties. Yeah, we're in our fifties. So, you know, we did hormone replacement, like we went through all that stuff, like we did everything that we needed to do, like on the, on the part that we could do for ourselves and really talk through childhood trauma, religious trauma, all that stuff, and get to the point where we can be really honest with each other. So we go to, we, well, we go to, he does take me to a strip club. I walk in, I'm nervous as shit. Like I'm so nervous. The first thing I see, Kathy, when I walk in, never been in a strip club in my life. I walk in and I'm like late forties at this point, I walk in. And the first thing I see is like this young super hot girl grinding on this really old gross guy. And I was like, Oh my God, I don't know if I can do this. And I was, and he turns to me, he's like, Are you okay? I'm like, I'm okay. I'm okay. Just get me a drink. So we go in within five minutes. It just happened to be one of those strip clubs that was very like woman friendly too. So there were tons of couples, everybody's dancing. It was a really happy place. I turned to him and I said, You should have never brought me here because this is my new favorite thing. Like I love this. Yeah. And he got a, he got a lap dance for me. He was like, Okay, are you cool? You get to pick the girl, you know, you're so he gets a lap dance for me. And like she's so cute, so fun. She probably does more than she's supposed to from what I understand now. But because she knows my first time to a strip club. And so she didn't, you know, we didn't obviously have sex or kids or anything, but she's like rubbing me on places, you know, it's just like rubbing my pussy and everything trying to make me, she literally said, I want to make you come. And I was thinking, that's not going to happen because I'm so nervous right now, but this is fun. And it just kind of solidified. So we get back to our hotel and I'm like, Oh, we're going to fuck like all night, you're just going to be taking naps all night. And so we went a couple more times. And at this point, I am really close friends with, with my friend, with my best friend. We had met probably five years before that. Because of what I did for work, I didn't have a lot of close friends. I was really careful how close I let people get to me. Because I, you know, I knew that you can't trust a lot of people. I was very cynical, but she was just this person I could trust. And we just became like really quick friends. She, she pushed me past those boundaries and was like, no, you can be honest with me. And I met her because I was her life coach. Oh, this is this. Now this is starting to sound like a porn. And my husband was her husband's life coach. And then we did like marriage stuff for them. Oh, wait, she's married too. Yes. Interesting. Okay, keep going. So they've been married over 25 years. So they're younger than us. But that's how we met them is we were in this like position of like authority. Yeah, I was wondering though, as a woman who's like secretly repressed and into women, do you look back and see any signs that maybe you thought she was attractive or anything? Or did that just like come to be one day way so many years into their friendship? So I always thought she was attractive. I take really good care of myself. And I'm one of those people that it's difficult for me to be really close with somebody that I know, I'm not saying that's not attractive, but I'm saying that I know doesn't try doesn't take pride in themselves because I know that like you can get there in your life because you do because you can. Yeah, because I do and I've been through a lot of stuff. And so they were like, I felt like we were equally attractive, meaning like her as well as nice looking. I didn't feel like my husband, you know, I never felt like my husband was going to go after her anyway, because we didn't do that. But we had a lot so many boundaries. But but it was, you know, I thought she was very pretty and you know, like in a regular friend way or whatever. But because at this point in the story, you're still not hooking up with her. I just I was just wondering if looking back when you were just regular work terms and friend terms, if you ever thought, oh, yeah, I know exactly the time it happened. Okay. And it freaked me the fuck out. So she had to go on an out of town work trip, and her husband couldn't go. So she was like, hey, go with me. She doesn't like travel. She's very social. She's like, I don't want to travel on myself. Let's go. So I go with her and we're on like this six hour, seven hour trip. And so she she's telling me at this point, you know, I'm, I'm still like coaching her, but but it's a much more friendship relationship than like, it's not the same. It's not professional anymore. Now it's personal. She's literally my best friend. And so she starts telling me all these stories of like, you know, whenever they were younger and, you know, like had strippers come to the house for like their fourth of July parties and stuff like that. And I'm like, that's so crazy. Like, we've been together for so long, we never did those things. And then she tells me about hooking up with a girl. And I was like, really? And she said, yeah, she said, she goes, you know, I don't know if you've ever and I was like, no, I haven't, you know, but she knew I wouldn't judge her. I think that's the main thing is she could be really honest with me. She knew I would never judge her. And so she's telling me these stories about being with women. And it was a friend, you know, this long term friend of hers. But she was like, I just like was dying. And I knew that she was like, fully out bisexual, she was married, her friend was married. And she was like, you know, like, to this day, I'm not sure her husband knows, you know, just all this stuff she's like, but they're all still married to each other, you know, they're, they're, and they're all good friends. And now we're friends with them. But so I start asking questions and I'm thinking I'm being really smooth because that was my job was, I knew how to ask questions to pull the story. But what she didn't know is it was like my heart's racing. I'm just sitting in the car thinking you cannot be a truck like you've never allowed yourself to cross this line. You cannot do this. You cannot do this. Like it's always been some fantasy thing. I never allowed myself to cross the line. So we go to this, to on this business trip, she finishes her stuff and, and we get, we go to dinner. And then we go to a bar and there was some men hitting on us and I'm like, do not touch us, our husbands will kill you, you know, and the bartenders like laughing. But the whole time I'm thinking, oh my God, because I'm drinking now and the more I drink the hornier I get. And so I'm thinking I have got to be so careful in the hotel. Like I cannot, I can't do this. She can't know how I feel. And like we're still in her life in that professional way, even though, you know, even though we were friends, like we're still in that quote place. And I don't know where she is. I don't know if she does that anymore. And I have never done it. And I'm like, my husband will kill me. And this was pre he and I having our like, this is, you know, this is about a year before that happened, before he and I just had our lay it all out. So we're still like basically hiding shit from each other. He, I told her later, like, so we go to this bar and she's like, you know, we're girls, we're like hugging each other and like putting our hands on each other and everything. And she's like dancing and we're out of town. We're, we're in a beach town. And so like we're dressed like, you know, we got our titties out and, you know, all this stuff. And she's hot. Oh, she's hot. Yeah. And I'm thinking you can't do this. So she gets super drunk. I tell you, we go back to the hotel. I'm very drunk, but I'm less than her. Get her back in. And I'm like, you've got to go to bed. You know, our husbands are going to kill us if we show up hung over tomorrow and all this kind of stuff. And so I help her get undressed. And I, and she was like, had fallen in the floor and I was like pulling her jeans off. And when I pulled her jeans off, she has on this purple thong. And immediately I was like, Oh my God, like, I, you've got to, like I can't, I cannot do what I'm thinking about doing. So I get her up in the bed, like I put her in her bed, we have two separate beds, I get her in the bed and she's like, thank you. I'm sorry, I'm so drunk, you know. And I'm like, I have to go take a shower. So I go get in the shower and I like masturbate to her, like I cannot help it. Like it is the first time that's ever happened. I cannot explain to you the guilt, like the guilt, insane amount of guilt that I feel. Calling London's one million small businesses. 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But they're doing it in more of a friend. Now, now we're not there. Coach us anymore. Yeah, so we're like, okay, so we're, we're good. And, and so she and I start like, she's like, well, now that and they actually moved away. And so we're talking all the time. So we're being very open with each other. Like I would text her when I was drunk and she would text me and we're like sending each other stupid pictures. And one day I was like, I'm going to get so drunk that I'm going to end up sending you my a picture of my titties one night, like it's going to happen. And, and I did that for like several weeks. She was like, I don't believe you, you know, and one night, my husband and I are out to dinner and she was drinking and she texts me and, you know, we're doing our normal whatever that we do at night or we're just being stupid, but you can feel the tension. Like it's like palpable. And I had started talking to him about it at that point. And I said, listen, I feel like that she is like, I feel like she's kind of hitting on me. But, but I don't want to, I don't know. And how do you feel about that? And he was like, I mean, she's hot. Yeah, I don't, it's fine. I know where I trust her. And I'm like, okay. And she sends me a text. And it says, are you flirting with me, Mrs. And says my last name. And I said, yes. And then we're like, Oh, my God, we're so stupid. Ha, ha, ha. You know, and that was the first time that she said, like, you better be careful because I don't just like men. I still like women. And everything's a joke. Everything's a joke. So I say to her for the first time, I've never told you, but so do I. Oh, my God. So now how horny are you for this whole conversation? Oh, my God, we were out to eat and I looked at my husband and I said, you got to pay the bill. We gotta go home. And he's like, he was like, because he's reading the text, he's like, shit, her husband does not know any of this is happening. Okay. But my husband does. Because we promised each other no secret. Yeah. So that's where we are. And so I'm like, are you okay? And he goes, Yeah, this is like really fucking hot. And I was like, okay, well, we got to go home and, you know, so we fuck it out and all this stuff. And and so we so I see her just a few weeks later because we you know, we would visit each other and everything. I see her and I was like, Oh, my God, we were so drunk in that conversation. You know, I'm trying to like fill her out. And she turns to me and says, you asked me way too many questions for me to ever be surprised that you were into women. Whenever I was telling you about my past. Oh, I was like, Yeah, she said, she said, your curiosity was way more than what you normally it didn't feel like counseling. It felt like you were like wanting the stories. And I said, Yeah, I was. So then we start talking about like, you know, we're still not blatantly saying it. But it was on that trip. We like go to dinner, you know, and we end up going to a bar. And we're like, we have to go to the bathroom. So we we OP and about this is so this is so like a typical like girls in a bar bathroom. But it is what it is. We go to the bathroom and like my heart is racing. I just feel like like this sexual tension is like really between us. But I'm thinking, what if it's just me? What if I'm just she's just flirty? And we get in the bathroom and pee and whenever I'm washing my hands, she said, Hey, come here. And like she needed help with her shirt or something. I don't know. And pulls me in and locks the door and she kisses me. Wow, like make out like make out kisses me. Like it. It shocked me. Because I have never been with a woman like I've never been with a woman. Yeah. You know, we had been to, you know, like I said, we've been to strip clubs a few times and stuff and all that, you know, and how strip rules put their to kiss a woman is a totally different Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. And it's your friend. Yeah. Yeah. So kiss a woman who's like kiss like we're kids. We know each other. We're kissing. And it was like when that happened immediately, I was like, okay, we have to see each other cities right now. And I pull my shirt up and I remember her going, Oh, fuck. Oh my God. Like she I should never see my tits as good a friends as we were like we we would change clothes in the same room. But like you would a look. Right. Yeah. I mean, we always like we're just talking, getting dressed. I have sisters. It's not like a big deal. But it's just we it just has so happened that we just never did. And so so it was very like like all of a sudden it was just this explosion. And we go back out to our husbands. And my husband looks at me. And and then he texts me. He said, something happened, didn't he said your face is different. And I was like, Yeah, I'll tell you about it when we get back, you know, to the hotel. And then, then she, you know, we're there for a couple more hours. We have obviously we have to pee again. I mean, mostly we just wanted to go back to the bathroom make out. So we go back and like, I don't know what came over me. I was just thinking this might be my only shot ever with a woman. I don't know because it had been so far out of my, you know, reality. And so I start like touching her and I was like, sucking her titties in this bathroom stall. And like, I didn't know then she can come really fast. And like, I'm rubbing her over the top of her pants and she comes while we're in the bathroom, like that fast. Oh my God. It was like, everything that you think about just like, balled up into a 15 minute, like all of a sudden. So we leave to go back home the next day. And she and I, you know, we're, we're like texting, all right, love you. I'll see you soon. And, and I stopped to pick something up. I had left at her house, like, because we, you know, kind of going over there too. And she didn't come downstairs. And so I panicked. I was like, Oh my God, Oh my God, she's mad at me. Like she's got regret. Now we're never gonna be friends again. And the next day she texts me and said, No, I haven't told him yet, her husband. And she said, And also I have been in the bed masturbating all morning. And he doesn't even know it to what happened last night. Thinking about you. Okay. Yeah. So she's thinking about me. And I'm like, Okay. So it just sort of, so she tells him, he's like, are you, you know, are you in love with her? Or are you whatever he was, he was genuinely surprised by me, not her. It's so funny. Yeah. And so, so he's, he's surprised and, and, and, uh, but he gives her his like, okay, he was like, Well, we know them. And if he's okay, then I'm okay. As long as like you guys never like try to run off, you know, like, yeah, yeah, this is just going to be for fun. And we were like, absolutely. So that's what happens for a while. Then of course, the conversations start going into I want my husband to see her titty. I mean, it just like starts spiraling fast, really fast. spiraling in what way? I mean, because at this point, you've only made out and like onto second base or whatever, like when do you so what now it's just texting and stuff is what you're saying. So we see each other, we see each other about two weeks later. She has to come to where I live for a business thing. And she stays with us. And my husband actually goes, Hey, I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to give you some space. Nothing happens between she and I while he's because this is the first time we're seeing each other after what happened. But by that night, he's like, Well, I'm going to go to bed, you guys can watch a movie or whatever. And so we go watch a movie in the guest room where she's saying, and I mean, within like 10 minutes, I'm going down on her and she's going down on me. And like, all this is brand new for me. She comes in like 20 seconds. I mean, it's like everything is so fast. And how was all of this for you because this is major for you? It was it felt like an out of body experience. Honestly, like this has been like the only you know, I've watched this a thousand times on porn, you know, or played it a thousand times in my mind, but never about anybody specific or but this is real. I know her. This is not a stranger. Like I could blow my whole life up, but I'm doing it anyway. And so I go to bed after that happens and I leaned over and kiss my husband and I said, Did you want to kiss her pussy off my mouth? And we and he fucked me so hard and so fast. It was like, I think you just gave every guy a woody right there. Like it was insane. Like I walked in and just said, I'm going to put my fingers in your mouth because of where they've they've been in her. Yeah. And so he's like flipping out like there's nothing between them, nothing between me and her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so we see each other a few weeks later for a holiday. And at that point, she and I like this is how fast it accelerated within a month. She and I are talking about like, Well, let's do stuff in front of the guys. Mm hmm. You know, that'll turn them on. Yeah. Are you okay with your husband's seed me? Are you okay with your husband's seed me? And and then that of course accelerates like no jealousy, no nothing. It just gets it gets it accelerates. I said spiral accelerate is a better word. So like it's accelerating and and we are within a month and a half like we're like messing around with each other, you know, no fool anything, but she and I are fucking in front of them. But then we're like messing around with each other's husbands and you're kidding, you've got to slow that down. Okay, so it progresses to what's the first time we have like, you know, 15 minutes of like, you know, what is the first time that you you guys just hook up and like you have the audience of the two husbands there and then eventually it progresses to doing more with the husbands as well. Okay, so the first time. So we had the kiss in the bathroom. The next time we see each other, she and I are like, we go down on each other. Yeah, I got that. Yeah, after that. Yeah, when you decide to get the guys in play, what happens by four weeks later, we're seeing them again for a holiday. And at that point, she and I have worked each other up to, well, let's do stuff in front of the guys. And we're like sending each other, you know, like, tip pics on snap. And I'm like, she's like, can I show him? And I said, yeah, and I'm going to show mine, show my husband you. She's like, yeah. So by this point, the guys have now seen, you know, us naked on pictures, because we're sending them to each other with permission to show your husband. So the next time we saw each other, we're doing shit in front of the guys. And quickly, we like look at each other and we're like, okay, you can touch him and I can touch him. Like so by like the third time we were together, we had involved the guys. And that was never the plan. No, I know it just keeps spiraling. But why not? I mean, I think that it's better. I think it's healthier that way to involve the guys eventually, then keep it completely separate. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I do think if we had not involved them, especially now where we are, you know, now emotionally, that would never have worked like never have worked. And we didn't do it to use them. That was never the plan. If we did it because like it was hot. Yeah, not totally. And they got out of it. In order to keep that primary relationship intact, they'd have to be a part of it. Because once you start separating like that, it becomes solo things like that's when the wedge could be driven, especially because you had feelings started to come into play for you and her. Right. I hear about open relationships where people literally date other people outside and you know, the spouses may not even know or the partners may not even know the other person. I could never do that. Like that's one thing I can tell you. Honestly, I could never do like it has to be somebody I trust and you know, all that. And it just worked out that we had this long term trust with these people and they were our friends. And so how was the swapping though with the husbands for you and your husband? How was it seeing her with the husband? How was it being with her husband while she's watching? So I have my husband has never been with anybody but me. Yeah. Like he did a lot of stuff with girlfriends before me, but he was a virgin when we got married. I was not, but you're talking about, you know, over 30 years, I've been with anyone. No one. She was the first person I kissed. You know. So it's like, it like it already felt so strange to be with a man that's not my husband. I had to fight the thoughts of this is wrong. Like he's going to get angry with me even though he's sitting right beside me going down on my friend. So I had to like we really like we've talked about that recently. Like we had to really like talk ourselves down from, Oh my God, this is terrible. It's all you know, but but it got more comfortable. Everybody respected everybody. And and so it progressed to finally like after about four months, we were like, Okay, the next summer together, we're fucking like that's we're going to fuck. Yeah. And so we did eventually start swapping in the same room with each other. And you know, you're looking at your spouse, anybody that is I guess I'm in the lifestyle now, I don't know. And you know, you look at your spouse to be like, Are you still okay? Is everything okay? And if there's a head nod, yes or no, like everybody has the same we all have the same rules. We also talked about it. We said if this is going to happen, anybody's any of the four of us are allowed to call it at any time. Any weird feelings, any weird triggers, you're allowed to call it and nobody gets their feelings hurt. Because everybody, we all have different backgrounds, you know, you don't know what's going to trigger you. So it's been really respectful. And then within probably four or five months from then, we and we would only see each other occasionally, you know, because we lived separate places. We would we started splitting rooms, like going separate rooms. And that was not like, like then we would like all get together and she and I would look at her and be like, Are you okay? Yes, are you okay? And we would say the same thing to our husbands. Are you okay? Yeah, yeah. No jealousy. No, everything was good. And then like we made boundaries with like, who you could text, who you could snap, you know, like we talked about all of that. I mean, I guess our life coaching background really helped in the communication part. Yeah, for sure. But it eventually got to we ended up selling our business and everything and ended up actually moving to the same place where they are. So now we all live in the same place. And in that time, she and I realized she was the first to say it, but we realized like, we are not just fuck buddies. This isn't just fun. Like, I heard for the first time, my husband and I went out of town for our anniversary last year, and we were talking to some people at a bar and it was a, they ended up being a lesbian couple, we didn't realize at the beginning, but we're, you know, it was just sitting around talking and one of them says they were like, so like, do you fuck other women or whatever? I was like, Oh, no, no, no. And they were like, you don't fuck other women. And I was like, no. And they said, you just fuck your best friend. And I was like, yeah. And they said, why? And I said, because I would never do that to her. Like, like, they're like, you have a primary fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, buddy. And I said, yeah. And they were like, bitch, you have a girlfriend. Like, you literally have a girl in lesbian world. That's a girl friend. It's just this unspoken thing of like, we would never cheat on each other. And they're like, you're using the word cheat. Like, you're in a relationship. And, and we really are like, like we love each other. So. And you feel romantic towards her as well. Yes. Yes. If, if my husband was not in the picture and her husband was not in the picture, like I could build a life with her. Right. But one of the things about, and we've been really open with our husbands about it, and there have been times when that's been kind of difficult, you know, obviously, if she upsets me or I upset her, because then those same things happen, you know, with I'm mad at you or, you know, how, how you get with your partner with any partner. The same shit. Right. Of course. This is because it's a real relationship. That's how you know you're into her. Because you have regular fights. That's probably been the only issue between my husband and me is when she and I have had issues like I take it out on in our relationship too. And recently, he told me, he said, this is your last chance. I'm going to call it if you don't learn how to how to regulate this because I'm not her. I'm your primary person. And she and I have very clear like, and we mean it. We love them. Like this is a very special situation, like to have two men who are confident enough in themselves to be fine with us having these feelings and secure enough in themselves to know we're not going to leave them. We're not going to leave them. We're not going to hurt our children. We're not going to, you know, it could blow both of our lives up and we would never do that to our children. And and also we really love our we really love our husbands. And are you still very sexually attracted to your husband as a sex just as good? Oh, my gosh. Oh, it's better than it's unbelievable. Yeah. Like like we fuck in the morning, we fuck at night and usually sometime during the day. Right. Like it's if we can see each other in our work schedules. It's just like we have the best sex we've ever had. The emotional part has been the only thing that has caused issues between us and between them because sometimes the guys do get jealous. Like if we go out and we're like, and we have to be very careful because no, no one knows. When I say no one, no one. Now, I know that bartenders are suspicious because, you know, come on, but but nobody knows for sure. Right. They're just like, they just know that we are best, best friends up next. It's bread flare and his new band. Oh my god. I'm back again. I'm back. You see, no, everybody's been going to bring new games going to show you now. Yeah. Dropping hits every week. Find the new slots. And our husbands even favor like it's, it's we favor people ask us constantly if we're sisters. We're like, we are sisters. Scissors sisters just love freyler. If they only know. Yeah. I'm like, you have no idea. So wait, how long has this been going on where your cop feelings, you know about this, that the guys are okay with it, you know, and this has been rolling? Like how long has this been going on with the I would say the I would say the feelings part, the like emotional, romantic, like truly like relationship, like she's my girlfriend. Yeah. I would say that's been about a year, a little over a year. Okay. The whole thing has been going on about a year and a half. I mean, I'm sorry, about about two and a half years, about two and a half years. Now, how's the hookup with the guys and you guys in the swapping ever slowed down? Or is that still on the table and something that goes down all the time? Or has that like left the like, has that ended ever? No, it's definitely still on the table. It's because of our family dynamics and work dynamics and everything. It's probably the guys, you know, probably once a month, unless the kids are out of town or they're busy at work or whatever, then we can kind of, you know, work out some other things this summer when it's hot and sunny and it's beautiful outside and we're all day drinking, of course, it's more, but we still have to be careful because we don't want our kids to know, you know, we don't want to hurt our kids or whatever. And also or or it mess up our friendship because our kids are looking at, you know, like, you fuck my dad, I'm mad at you, you know. Of course, imagine. But wait, let me ask you this. How many times a month do you see her? Like, are you guys more active with each other? I'm assuming then you are with each other's guy? Yes, we are more active when when our in the times when like our work schedule stuff lines out, we probably fuck once a week at least. And and because we can go to lunch and stuff like that when the guys aren't, you know, when they're at work and then they meet up with us later, or whatever, if you're at lunch in the car at my house, okay, she'll pick me up or I'll pick her up, whoever's kids aren't home is where we go. Like we work it out and we always know like, and if if my husband sees me at her house and it's on a random day that we're going to go to lunch, he knows like, you know, he's like, he has one rule about that so that there's no jealousy for him. And that is, he's like, you have to send me a picture at the end, like you have to send me a naked picture of you all together, like you got to send me some that's it. That's all. Her husband doesn't care as much, but there's definitely times when you can feel so like it's been a while since we've been with the guys. And both of the guys, they're both like, oh, we don't care. Like, if it went back to just y'all, we're fine because we love you. And I'm thinking you're lying because we we when once we open that box now, like they're like, it's not fair that you get to fuck somebody else, but I don't, you know, when they're not cuckold husbands, they're they want to fuck. Yeah. And so we're like, so I actually said to her the other day, I was like, you know, we got to like, and it hasn't been on purpose. This is like, we got to figure out so we got to get the guys we like, we got to get them in quickly because they start acting like, like women that have PMS. Whenever they start getting really moody, and they're like, won't hardly talk, like, you know, her husband will be like, Hey, and my husband will be like that to her. And we're like, oh, you guys need to see our titties. Okay, I got it. I got it. Yeah. So but once if they can, you know, if they can have like a little trist once a month, they're usually pretty good. Yeah, you guys have to make sure that that always happens, right? Because that's the last thing you want to happen. And that very well, if it happens once, and you guys forget about it, and then what, you know, that's the type of thing that could lead to resentment and hurt feeling, you know, all that kind of complicated stuff. So like, you guys are very intentional about having sex when you guys went through your rough patch at like once a week or whatever, you know, so that you could make sure you stay connected. You know, you should be very intentional with keeping your husbands, you know, satisfied and happy because this could go messy. Yes. And we're allowed to do three sums. Everything, we make sure it's even for every guy. So if I go to their house and I'm with them, if it just works out, she knows and he knows, like, quickly within less than 48 hours, he gets a chance to find us. Like, we're very like fair for the guys like that because it's not fair to do that to them because somebody's going to feel left out. And we've had a little bit of jealousy occasionally, like on her and on our part, but it's been like just a blip in the screen and we talk about it. And we're like, I don't really know why I feel this way because I'm not actually, you know, just like, and we talk about it and we move forward like it's always, we just been real. We have a lot of good communication and that helps. I will say this, 10 out of 10 do not recommend getting into a relationship with your best friend because it can complicate your life so bad. In what sense? In the sense of we had a conversation a few months ago because she and I had a really bad rough patch and I was like, I can't keep doing this. Like you're killing me emotionally. Like, you know, I'll let you into my life. I don't even have friends like this. Like you've got to be more intentional about, you know, not and I don't need, I'm not super needy because I get my emotional needs, like my attention needs met from my husband, but to think that she's like tired of me or whatever, it's more on the friendship side. And I told her, I was like, the worst thing that could ever happen is for us to not be friends anymore. Like if we just decided one day we're not going to fuck anymore, we're going to, that part of our relationship is over. We're not going to be romantic anymore. We're going to, we feel like it'll be healthy just to be friends. She looked at me and said, I could never just be your friend. If this ends, it all ends. And it was devastating to me. And I, you know, I had to work through a lot of like, is she manipulating me? She's being honest. Yeah. And the truth is that she was just being honest because I really could still be her friend. I really could. I have a different, the way I've trained my mind, but to think of her not being in my life is like unbelievably devastating. And those kind of things because it's gotten so deep, that's the part I would not recommend. Because it's scary for you. I don't regret it. But I wouldn't recommend it to other people because it can get real complicated, real fast. And you have more to lose. It's not just losing a stranger because she was your friend first. So you're not, you're losing two things because of that one thing that came later. So that makes sense. It's a very specific scenario that a lot of other people may not be in. And that's why you said it's like, I wouldn't recommend doing this with your friend. Maybe another woman is okay, is a lot of better because this is technically what could happen if this all blew up. You would also lose your friendship. Unfortunately. Yeah. And that makes sense. I could understand her position. I think she's being more honest than you are. I feel like you might be, you know, if, well, it really depends on why it would end anyway of why you guys would not be friends. I think that's right. Yeah. You know, because I don't know, like, because most likely if it ended, it would probably not be a good reason for it to end. And you might not want to be friends with her. You know what I mean? You might find it hard too. So you don't know that you'd just be fine. I think she's being a little bit more realistic about if it ended, you know, you guys wouldn't talk. But you don't know, you know, you just don't know. I think I was thinking in terms of like, if our kids ever found out and we had to stop because we don't want to hurt our children, if that part had to stop, I would not want to lose her as my friend. Yeah. But I don't think she'd lose you as a friend for that reason either. I think she's thinking if it ended because you didn't want to see her anymore, she couldn't handle seeing you without that. You know what I mean? And I agree with that completely. Yeah. So I think that's what she means. Yeah, I think that's what she means. I think if you, if you're your kids found out and you had to stop or whatever, I don't think she'd throw you to the curb. I really doubt that. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think it would be hard because you guys care about each other and stuff. And maybe she'd need a little time to like, you know, get away from you because sometimes when you break up with someone, you do need a little time away to like let go of those feelings. But if that friendship was there, it should be able to, you know, that should be able to stay after a while, you know? So I don't... It's a good thing is we'd probably just still figure out a way to sneak around. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. First of all, why would your kids ever find out it's none of their business? I always make notes and say like, you know, vanilla people don't tell their kids their sex life. You know what I mean? You don't need to. Your kids don't want to know. Anyway, they don't want to know. It's not, you know, they don't want to know what their parents do behind closed doors, whether they're having threesomes or just missionary style. It's, you know, so hopefully that never happens. Typically, you know, kids don't find out this kind of information, you know, that would be very tragic if they did regardless. But you know, hopefully that never happens. And that's probably, I mean, unless you guys got in a fight or something like what else would be the reason for this to blow up. I think the only thing you want to, you, I think you're more in danger of like losing your husband and losing each other. Yeah. I mean, are you scared about that? Because are you more scared about losing her? That's my last question. The only time that I am ever like scared of that is when she's kind of moody, like we're different personnel. Yeah, we're different personalities. And I'm, I'm pretty straightforward. Yeah. And she's kind of more girl moody. And like, if she's in a bad mood and she doesn't speak to him when we're out or she's like, because I mean, she does that sometimes when she's drinking. She'll just like pretend he's not there. And he's like, and it pisses him off because he's like, listen, if my whole face has been in your pussy, like, you have to at least say hello to me. Like, of course. So, you know, if I'm letting you fuck my wife in my bed, like you should say hello. And so, so probably those kind of things are, are, are the only things. And then also, whenever I was allowing so much emotional stuff to like spill over into my relationship with him, like he was just not having that he was like this, I did not sign up for this. No, I always say that whenever I get because listen, you guys didn't set out to be Polly, but you're kind of living like Polly people, you know, and when people are Polly, you know, a lot of times when I have Polly people on my show, not only do I get a headache, I do like asking them like, I do like asking them like, I don't know, like, like, is it weird when like your partner comes to you and they're like sweating another person and they're upset over the other person, you know, must be a weird position for that other person to be in. You know, you're you, you're the one that's, you know, all but heard by another person's feelings and you're going to husband, but you got to put yourself in his position. That's a weird position to be in and fucking irritating because you guys are grown ass adults. You have your whole life, you're dealing with regular life problems. The last thing he needs is you crying about relationships, you're in a relationship with him. Yeah, it's like, of course it's annoying. You know what I mean? Like, nobody, he's who needs that shit, you know, like, you know, so I like, you got to like get it. So, you know, I think, you know, maybe you could take those feelings and those problems to somebody else instead of your husband's like, why talking about it? Maybe get a therapist, get a life coach, get another life coach and talk to them about it. Why do you think I'm calling you? We do allow for the guys part of I think while they're okay is we do allow because we have so, so much trust because we have so much trust. I think that we, we have allowed like, we don't have rules on you can't DM my husband, you can't snap him a nude or a video or whatever. Like, we're allowed to do that and my husband will come out. I'll know when she snapped him because he'll come home and be like in the best mood and I'm like, did you see Teddy's today? And he's like, yeah, yeah, that's you know, and so, and, and so like, we're, we're allowed to do that and especially if we know we're about to be together because we kind of have to plan it with the way that the, you know, our family situation is we'll be like, okay, about this weekend, so and so is out of town and this person's working and so we're good. Like, you know, we then we start the like flirting with the husbands, we kind of keep that going all the time. You know, like, at least regularly, I would say, you know, or we'll just say little things to each other when we're out, even though we know we're not going to do anything necessarily, you know, it's always a little bit flirty. So it keeps that part where the guys don't feel completely left out. Yeah, that's the most important thing. You know, a lot of times with hotwifing stuff when I hear guys are like, their wives start to play solo and stuff like the problems come when things start to happen separately. Like you have to always remember like, who's your primary relationship and you can't lose sight of that. And that's hard to do when you're navigating. Listen, it's hard enough to navigate one marriage, you know, what let alone two relationships and you are, it just takes extra work. It's doable and people do it plenty of the time. There's plenty of successful poly people, but you just got to be very intentional about all the things that you're talking about. Those are all things that of course are going to come up in a situation like this. It's not going to be easy. It's going to be a little bit harder than navigating one relationship to navigate to. That's just a fact of life, but you're getting something out of it. So it's worth it at the end of the day because you have this more love in your life. You have a girlfriend who you really care about. And right now, everything's great. I can't wait to hear how you are a year from now. You know, you got to tell me a post that I love this whole story. It's like so super interesting. And it's made our husbands feel really good about themselves because we are very, I'm not, I mean, I know that like we send pictures in or whatever. We're very hot, like especially for our age, I'll say that we've taken very good care of ourselves, both of us have. And we're, and we're very, we're, we look good. And so it's made our husbands feel really good about themselves because you've got this hot woman hitting on you that's not your wife. And we're not doing them a favor. She really thinks my husband is super hot and loves to fuck him because he fucks different than her husband. And I feel the same way. Yeah, no, no, no. I mean, obviously that really works. And that's the benefit to your husband. And that's just what you just never want to take away, you know, because that is what they're getting out of it. And they should be getting something out of it because you're getting your own side something. And that's how it keeps everybody fair and happy. So you do know I love pics. If you want to send anonymous pics, right, of yourself for my Patreon, you will get free access to my discord. There's a lingerie contest right now. You get 150 bucks if you win, you can put yourself in there. Everyone's anonymous on my discord too. When you get my thank you email from call for calling in the link, the private link to my discord will be there. It's very naughty and there your husband might like it. But like, you know, yeah, he doesn't know I'm calling by the way. Oh, okay. I was going to ask with your girl. Is your girl, does your girl know? She knows. Okay, she should call in too. Listen up, girly girl. Yeah, yeah, that'll be fun. But anyway, you could give her the link too. She could go in there. You guys could put it put yourselves in the lingerie contest. But do me a favor. If you want to send in anonymous pics of yourself, you did talk about how great shape you are. And if that's always great, people love to put a body to an episode. But I love your whole story. What do we call you again? I forget after all this time. Yeah, I love this story. When I got it on the confession time, I'm like, Oh, I need this law. I need the long version of this. It's so interesting. You know, after doing my show for like 11, 12 years, it's, you know, listen, even hearing the same story over and over again, it's always unique because it's different people. But to hear something that's unique for the first time that I haven't had before is always super great because you know, that's harder to do after I've talked to over 1300 people. Right. So it's so I love your whole story. It was super interesting. Late in life, lesbian story. It's great. God, yeah. I think it's more common. I think it's more common nowadays. So anyway, Gia, thank you so much for calling in and sharing your story. It was so super interesting. Send me the pictures sooner than later. Okay. I love it. It was great to talk to you. Thank you. I love your podcast. I love that. Thanks, Gia. Bye. Thanks. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strickland. Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. I think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters. Easy read. You could read one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback, send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cook queen story. There's a cook story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters. Easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.