"We're Gonna Dance" (w/ Lady Gaga) (RE-RELEASE)

This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. We interrupt your regular programming for a very special announcement. Saturday nights are made for Mayhem with celebrity sabotage. Watch me, Joe Donnie. Me, GK Barry. Me, Sam Thompson. And Judy Love. It's Corston Pallius. Do not move a muscle. This is no mad. Find that commercial place. Watch out, this is a funny deck. Celebrity sabotage. Starts Saturday 21st of March on ITV1 and ITVX. Look, man. Oh, I see him. Oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Wow. Last culture, East-ass. Ding-dong! Last culture, East-ass calling. It's tough to be speechless on a day when you have to record a podcast, because the art form requires you to talk. It feels unfair. I don't want to be at work right now, because I'm very much like transcending existence, like physical space. It's all really kind of let up to this. Honestly, bow. Maybe this has to be the series for the last episode. This is the last episode of Last Colge. Thank you all so much for the nine years. I'm so excited to ask all of these years. It had to end this way. I always remember us this way. Always remember us this way. You started off the show saying speechless, too. You're really weird. We have to say a third round. You're rattling them off. Third, let's see. Our pop. We nailed it. We nailed it. We nailed it. Why don't you say how you feel? I mean, this is one of the most important people to me. One of the most... I said this at the radio city show for SNL 50. My favorite artist in the world. I left my body. We'll talk about this. I left my body because you'd be said high, and then you'd turn around and go, Wait, shears on stage. Hearing that chair. You guys watched her together. It was a huge moment for me, even. Yeah. For everybody. But I mean, we're just so happy she's here. The album mayhem. Might be out already. Oh, it's out. Depending on when this comes out. So you have to have grace everybody because we've listened to the album one and a half times. We were brought to a secure location where we were basically told, okay, we're going to listen to this. And if we want to go back, we go into parts. Yeah. It was a bunker. It was like where they keep all the designated survivors in case of like easier fallout. Exactly. We're the mayhem designated survivors. We're the mayhem designated survivors. But it is perfect. We were ecstatic listening to it. And as you all know, at this point, it's brilliant. We think it's our guest best work, which is saying something and a half. Which is saying a lot. She's 14 time Grammy winner. Academy Award winner. Academy Award winner. So many more accolades on top of that. Everyone, please welcome into your ears. Lady Gaga. Thank you so much. I am so, so happy to be here. This is the joy of our lives. No, it's the joy of mine. I was so excited to see you both. And I just want to say also, congratulations to both of you. Thanks. You are doing such amazing things. It's amazing to watch. I'm sure you've had an amazing year. Oh. And I'm just like really excited to be here. You're also wearing a Joanne arrow to you. Yeah. Yeah. You're like killing me. I feel like I've only ever like dry cleaned the shirt. Because I want to preserve it. I don't think I dry cleaned anything during the day. You still get the buzz light on you. Not even the hat. Not even the hat. No. Those are being sold at auction in like 20 years. Yeah. You have to tell Gaga about your Joanne tour experience. Oh. Okay. Oh no. You played MetLife here? Yes. It was pouring rain. I don't know if you remember. Yeah. I love a ranch. I love a ranch. I love to do so Diana Ross. I was. Oh, because I remember you said the show. It's free production. Yeah. Exactly. You don't pay for the rain. You don't pay for the rain. Yeah. And the rain kind of follows you. Because I feel like Mary the night it was the same thing too. Yeah. The video for that. It was like. Oh, yes. That was I was. I can't believe that I got away with that. We were exploding cars. You had a roof for the building. You had a roof for the building. Production value. And it was raining. And we have to stop production because it's raining. The camera's in. I said, Roll the camera. Let's go. We're going to miss it. You had a Vivo interview. This is the throwback to Vivo. And you were just in an amazing outfit. You had sunglasses on. You're telling this anecdote about Mary the night. And at one point you just pull your glasses down and go. We got free rain. Yeah. It's a big deal. Well, because you know when you're putting a music video together, there's so many things you want to do. I mean, and everything is, you know, adds to the budget. And I'm trying to like weigh what thing is more important than the other. And that wasn't actually supposed to be a rain scene at all. But then it happened. And like rain on fire. Come on. Too much, too much like universal studios as things happening. Yes, it was exciting. And then naturally I thought it would be a good idea to hang upside down from the the sunroof of the car. The trend, yeah, the trend. The trend. Yeah. That was a gorgeous trend. Thank you. I was sick as a dog. He was so sick. That city field show. Oh, no. I said, what did I say meant? Like I said, I meant city field. Okay. And I agreed to met life. We've all seen you there. Well, but I, you know, when I play shows, like I get so tired on the road that like sometimes I forget the venue for which tour. Of course. Yeah. You know, I would imagine it's like one of the schedules where it's like, you don't want this to happen, but you could yell out barcelona. Yeah. And you're in Brussels. No, we can't do that. No, that is not good. No, no, no. We've seen you, gosh, we've been lucky to see you in multiple venues now, because it's a city field meant life. We saw one of the shows at Tony at Radio City, the last show. Oh my gosh. We were there. What? You know, it's so funny at the SNL 50 concert the other night, I was nervous to do Dickenabox. Yeah. Because like, I feel like, you know, if you're a comedian, being asked to do who's on first is probably like really like, you know, so enter me, Dickenabox, the classic. Of course. So I was like, oh my god, why did I agree to do this? And then I was, you know, walking through the theater. And I remembered that I had been the last time I'd been there was with Tony. And I was like, you know, Tony would have just said, don't be nervous. Or if you are nervous, it's because you care. And I do care. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay, but a comedian doing who's on first is like you, it's like, it's like you singing Love the All Roads or something on film. It's like, I feel like you've inhabited all of these classics for your entire life. I feel like you were playing rock mononophot 4 or whatever the fuck like you've been doing this your whole life. I have been, I have been and it's, it's, but I love so much being a part of entertainment. Like in like the truest sense, I don't, I don't mean any more than the thrill of the good old fashioned hard work with other actors, other musicians, stage designers, costume makers, makeup artists, wig makers, the lighting. And like backstage at SNL 50 was insane. So we were all like getting ready to go on and then like, you know, a human squid would walk by. Yeah. And like then the B-52s would be there. And then you know, someone would be getting their, you know, wig thrown on. And it was just, I don't know, I think that that's my favorite part of show business, right? Yeah. Is the show of it all. The show of it all. Because something about that concert, which we talked to Kevin Mazer who by the way, photographer. Yes. You want to hear something? Yes. My mom's boyfriend from high school. Can you believe? Oh, that's some piping hot tea. Yeah, I'm from Long Island. He took my mom to prom. And every time I see him now, mad, he comes over like he's just, he's, he's the guy. He's the guy, but y'all, Rita's Katie's help with his final skills. Kevin Mazer, the like live event photographer. I mean, he's incredible. I've known him for so long. Right. Can they ask your mom his name? Katrina. Because I'm so, you know, I see him. I feel like so I heard about Katrina. Yeah. I'm going to love it. Katrina Clary. She had an iconic high school name. That's sweet. I was checking with him on Sunday. I was like, Oh my God, Friday. Well, like, what was that about? I go, you, you, you go to all of these things, Kevin. Where does that rank among your nights? And he was like, that is one of the top three events at Everdo. Yeah. It was one of the greatest nights in entertainment. Absolutely. And I heard it took two years to plan. Yeah. And I felt really emotional. I like couldn't figure out exactly what I wanted to say on stage. I ultimately decided to shout out Mark Ronson and the roots because Mark and I wrote shallow together and the roots were playing it with me. And I loved them so much. And I was, I almost said like, and thank you to Lauren and SNL because like, thanks for giving me a shot on the show years ago because like SNL also helps break artists. And it's a huge deal. I don't know if you, I mean, I know that people know this, but I don't know that they know how much it means to the artist when we get booked for the show. Yeah. And then, when I got called to do, to double duty, double duty in a couple of weeks, full panic tears. Oh, yeah. So, so happy, so elated. I couldn't be more proud. It was the thing that I wanted to do the most to promote my record and to just make people happy. Yeah. It's going to happen. We're recording this before SNL. Yes. We're coming right off of the celebration in the 50th. But I mean, when they told me that they wrote to you for double duty, the, the, the, you're going to be incredible. The screen my scrummed. I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I was so excited. It, to me, like I, I say to people, I'm in the business of making people smile. And that is a hundred percent how I feel about SNL. Yeah. It's just that it is, it is a night devoted to making people laugh at home. And I'm, I'm all about it. But you literally embodied and capture that. And the last time you hosted, which was that like jazzy applause cover, I still watch. It's like a hitch perfect. It is everything the monologue should be. Thank you. And that's the tone for the show. It introduces not that you need an introduction, especially at that time or now, but it's like that was the perfect way to build confidence for the audience that the show was going to be great. It was like such a privilege to do that. And I'm a theater kid from New York. So doing the SNL monologue is a big, a big, it is a huge deal. And I know I just, I don't, I don't know that I ever imagined that I would end up doing that. I think I had a lot more confidence that I would, you know, just be a songwriter, singer, producer for as long as possible. But I didn't know that I would get embraced in that way. And it's, and that's what's cool about, you know, hosting and doing musical guests too, is being the host, the monologue, the monologue is separate from being an actor in the skit. Absolutely. And then that's also separate from being the artist on stage as a musical guest. So it's like, I get to kind of do all the things that I love. I'm just thinking about how like you talk about what an amazing moment that is as an artist to be asked to do that show. And even in Starisborne, it's almost like an emotional, like moment in the film when Ali is told you're doing SNL. It's like that and getting a Grammy nomination are both moments for that character in that movie. Did anything from that experience influence the decision to do shallow on SNL 50 because you have so many songs you could have done, but you chose shallow. Well, first of all, one of the reasons that that was included in a Starisborne is because a lot of a Starisborne was inspired by my real life. And I worked really, really close with Bradley and Eric on making sure that like the story of these two musicians felt real. And so that kind of feeling around SNL and around a Grammy is that's just like how it actually felt. Truly important to you. And so that's reflected in that. And shallow to me is the song I wish I had done on SNL. And when Andy and I started talking about doing Dick in a box, he came to me and he said, I have this idea that we started off and you start with shallow. And I started and it's like, that sounds good. And then you said, you know, and we did the whole thing. And when I watched the rehearsal, I was like, oh, like, but now maybe they kind of, but they might want to hear it. Because we started and it doesn't go. So I thought I thought it would be a chance to do that. And also to kind of put some of my best work forward on a show that deserves your best work. And to me, when I see artists perform on SNL, we all try to put our best foot forward. So yeah, I just, I wanted it to be like a heartwarming moment, hopefully for people at home too. I mean, I do like lots of different things. You know, I'm also into the dark arts and the poetry of pop music. And shallow is very different than a lot of the music I've done in my career. But it's an important song to me because it helped me to connect with people that otherwise maybe didn't know if they could connect with someone like me. Like maybe they, they didn't relate to me as much or maybe they didn't know someone like me in high school. So, you know, shallow is an important song to me for that reason. And it just felt like the right one to do. I remember the chromatic of all like that, which was such a party, but we went with like 15 of our friends. And when you started shallow, we all were like checking in with each other like, this is really happening. Like we're hearing shallow. It is like a high point of culture. 60,000 people at Matt Life, a hush fell. You know what I mean? Like you could hear a pin drop. You know, it was just one of those sublime moments. And I think I remember like looking up at the crowd, just being like, I was shooting a movie and Charlotte, I flew back for that show. And I was like, I'm not missing God. No, I'm never like it was just a culmination of like that era, which was like kind of, was a glorious era that got kind of messed up by the pandemic. And like it just felt like this victory lap and this like culmination of like what everybody wanted to celebrate together with you. Thank you. It was a really special tour to me. I hadn't seen my fans really on tour since I had to stop the Joanne World Tour. Right. And I was like really not well during that time. And it totally broke my heart to have to cancel. And that was the second tour that that happened on. So I was a little bit nervous about going out for chromatic. I was like, am I going to be able to do it? And you know, am I going to be in pain when I'm on stage? What's it going to be like? And it was amazing. I had the best time. Also my amazing partner Michael was with me. He came with me the entire tour. We were together during the prep for the tour. We lived in leads while we put the tour, which is like very funny having a brutalist stage in the middle of music. That was incredible. Thank you. But it was, you know, it was special and healing. And I think in a way, it kind of set me up for this next time. Yeah. I got to say just here, you talk about being in service of the idea of entertainment. I think it means to me, what I hear is that like for a while, I always thought about you as like someone who is perpetually being a student to the concept of fame. But I think what it's very quickly become and like even sooner than I realized was you are a student of entertainment. And it's not the same thing, obviously. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think you're right about earlier. Earlier in my career, I was a student of fame and I was fascinated with it. And it was a part of my art. And I studied it. I was like really, really fascinated with Andy Warhol. And I tried to sort of take the spirit of Warhol into my pop shows, like even like the choices of, you know, the music with the lighting and a, you know, a piss yellow wig that would have been one of, you know, his screen prints. Like it was all about this idea that anyone could become a star if they studied how. But the thing that I didn't know what would happen was my fans. Like I didn't know who they would be. I didn't know how it would make me feel. I also did not anticipate, but I'm so glad that I did hear the stories of people all over the world. I mean, I would stop outside my hotel room. And I would talk to fans. I would invite fans backstage after the shows. I would play demos for fans years before I released music. And like, what do you think of us? Let's talk about it. What's your home life like? And they would tell me about their lives. And so I've grown up. It's almost been two decades in the public. It's definitely been two decades for me as a recording artist. But I kind of grew up and I changed. I was a student of fame, but I ultimately decided that the reason I want to do this is to make people happy with art. And then like now, I mean, I don't know if my fans really know this about me now, but I warm up my voice twice a day. And I practice piano every day. And I am like working harder than ever in the dance studio. So I like to keep up my chops. Because to me, that hard work is what my fans deserve. And also, it's to me that's like the privilege of being an artist is that you get to work on your craft. And I want to be able to say that I'm getting better at it, not that I've done it already. And that's that. You know what? We have to talk though about your vocals on this new album. Like we listened to it like we said, I turned to Bobby. I was like, how do you do it? It is so Olympic what you do with your voice. And I would imagine you said you're warming up twice a day. I would imagine your vocal warmups are what like half hour long. So you're really in the pocket on this like the rock vocals that are not easy to do. The passion with which you sing. When you're recording and you're putting songs like these together, do you go back and back and back vocally or how can you do that? Yes. I actually poor, poor Andrew and circuit in the studio and Gisoffelstein when we were doing vocals. I would sometimes do like 50 takes. Wow. And they were very supportive and it was fine. But the reason is because when I'm writing music, I'm sometimes imagining someone else is singing it. Of course, yeah. Because it helps me to kind of embody the spirit of a superstar. Because I didn't like always feel very confident as a kid in that state with me my whole life. So during the writing process, like when I wrote born this way, I was actually thinking about what you used to. What do you mean? Wow. And so I love that you knew that. No, but I so I was thinking always about different people. But then when I when I get there to sing it, I'm like, okay, I could sing this in a lot of different ways. How should I sing it? So take one. I do it one way. Take two. I do it another way. I take eight of sunken to it differently. Take 16. I go, I'm going to try something completely different. Scratch it all. And so I think what you are hearing on this album is that I was actually pretty pretty bossy actually in the studio about about getting the best possible vocal and also pushing myself to do things that I've never done in a record before. I don't think I sound on this album like I sound on any show. So many vocal discoveries on this. And so many this is crazy to say because you're always so many different characters in your music, which you're speaking to, but so many more than ever and new characters that were here. And which character is going to tell that story and why? Yes. Yeah. I mean, I remember there was this very early, early interview of yours where it was for V Magazine and it was like you were in like Mario Tostino made you get all like tanned and you know, it was a very like Tostino look and it was incredible. But I think it was someone I think it was John Norris. If you was asking you about like, are you brought up faith no more? And I was like, okay, this is not what I expected Gaga to like love and like zero in on. This is like the real musical taste that she has. And then it would shift to like, oh, but then this bitch knows the great American songbook like the background. And then it's like, wait, and then she also like, she's like a classically trained pianist and she like fucking knows like all of these. I'm sorry, I didn't mind not me to call you a bitch. Please. No, you said this bitch. No, I'm saying. No, I'm going from the over. She's still waiting up there. Wait, hold on. My soul is on my body. This bitch knows this bitch knows the great American songbook. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Thank you. And like, I just think the characters are not so much characters as they are the knowledge and this and being the student of music of entertainment. Like you embody all these things. And so I think with mayhem, I think with this album, it's like Bobby was saying that this is probably the most authentically you album you've ever put out. That makes me think, well, then there's something to Gaga being an amalgamation of all these different things and these genres and these studied detailed musical exercises, I guess. But like, that's who you are because I couldn't boil you down to one thing and I'm sure you couldn't either. No, I mean, I am definitely all of these things and that that's what mayhem is. And it's a celebration of all of that. And it's so funny as you're talking about this too. I'm like thinking about this moment where Michael was in the studio every day. Michael executive produced the record with me. And there was at one point I was like really into this electro grunge sound like on perfect celebrity. You can hear it. It's like, it's cool. It's like, we were saying garbage. So I'm like, I'm like, okay, we're going to make the whole album like that. And I'm going to change everything. And he was like, no, you are not. You can't do that. But he was right because I am all of the different genres, all of the different approaches, all the different processes. That's why it ultimately is mayhem is because if you're stepping really far back, it like doesn't make sense. But when you put it all together, it's me. And I appreciate you seeing that in me. I feel like since the beginning of my career, there was always some type of criticism coming from somewhere of like, but who are you? Right. And like, what is Lady Gaga? And can you explain it to me? And what's your style? And what genre really is it? What should I call you? What should I call you? Like, what are we supposed to feel? What are you really like? Yeah. And I think that, first of all, I was terrified to make a pop record again. And I decided to do it. And I felt very supported in doing it by Michael, by my family, by everyone around me. But feeling like people think you're chaotic is there's something there was a joy in that for a while, but there was also like a pain in that too. Was that what the fear was coming from? Yeah. Well, especially as a woman, people are like, you're chaos. It's kind of like part of me is like, uh-huh. And then the other part of me is like, but what do you mean by that? Right. And like, dismissive. It's kind of like, you're a mess. And like, you're a mess because I can't figure out how to organize you. Right. And I don't know how to think about you. And I think what I want my fans to know is like, that's other people's problem. That's not your problem. You can be the whole you. And that was, that was a part of this record. And I felt, I felt excited as a female producer too, like just doing whatever I wanted, when I wanted to in the way that I heard it. And I'm so happy, like even before we started that she brought up Killa because it's like we're gonna have to. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Thank you. Who's your gonna that tonight? No, you don't even know. People are gonna lose their minds. We heard it twice and we've been like grabbing onto that in our brain. Like, this whole album, let's talk about the album. Like, it's like face-melty brain scratchy, heart-screemy pop dance with this theme of mortality throughout. The K K. Yes. And I wanted to, I know you've said before, like, you listen to a horror, you watch a horror movie every night before you go to bed. I don't know if you're in that zone now, but the theme of death and like dancing in the face of it is obviously all over this. What I've always wanted to ask you though is how much are you laughing while you're creating? Like, how much is joy and humor and laughter a part of your creative process when you're making music? It's all of it. Yeah. It is, there's a lot of humor on Killa, especially. Yes. We laugh at funny records. Yes. Right? We laugh at funny records. I'm like not that confident. I'm not that confident with that record, it's confident. But I would say also though that it's like the process is a little bit manic because I also look really serious and I know I can be difficult to work with because like, I'm a very warm-hearted person, but when I'm like songwriting, I get like, you want what you want. I'm like, I'm trying to listen to what I'm hearing and get it out as fast as possible. But then maybe I'll, you know, yeah, the lyric, I'm a Killa and boy, you're going to die tonight and like, right, and then that's funny and then that comes out. But then I get serious again because I'm trying to figure out if the guitar lick is right and I'm like, no, it's not that one. It's this one, do it again. It's kind of a, yet the process is chaotic and I'm not also a very linear thinker. I'm very tangential. Love it. And sometimes if I can't get one part of the song, right, I will need to stay on it for three days. Gotcha. Like a baseline or a guitar riff and then other times I will move on from it and go, I'll go, like, let's go to the pre-chorus now. It's sort of, it's a very non-linear process and I love it. And I love it. I'm so, like, also appreciative that my partner, like he, you know, the first few years that we were together, I wasn't in the studio. And when he saw me start to make music, he was like, oh my god, I've never seen you happier than when you're making music. And that was, I felt very seen by that. And I think why it is so important to me is when you grow up in the public eye, as you know, there's things that people grow to like about you, but there's things that they don't know about you. Like they don't know that you, that's like maybe deep in reflection at home working on something. They know the outward facing you. So it feels really nice to be seen by someone for the thing that, the thing that you do alone that makes you special, that's your gift, right? Like the thing the world doesn't see. Yeah. I mean, I think you even alluded to this in the Oscar acceptance where you were just like, this is hard work. There are sacrifices that need to be made to get to this point. Like the reason I'm on this stage is because I worked so hard. And that is the essential thing about you. Lady Gaga is that you're, like, just like, you're, like, you're a believer here. I love being here. I love it. I love also community. So like being with you and talking with you and bonding over music is like, this is the thing I'm probably missed the most from my time before I became famous. I did an interview downtown last week and I picked the location and I was like, we got to go to this bar that I used to write music at. And we did the interview there. And I like cried during the interview talking about all my friends down there and welcome to the Johnson's. Nice. I went to like, there was a lot of bars down there that we went to. But I was just one of them and I used to go there during the day. Like I've got like one o'clock and like order of, you know, perhaps Blue Ribbon and a Chauda Whiskey and right in the napkin. But living around artists, being around fighters, songwriters, comedians. Photographers, actors, musicians, go-go dancers, club promoters, you know, we were all like our own little group and we supported each other. And it was actually really hard to go to Hollywood and do what I was doing there because it was just not like New York at all. I know you guys. You know about New York. So this is actually hugely like a deep, a deep joy for me to be here because we get to, I get to like do the thing that makes part of who I am. Yeah. It's like talking about it all. Yeah. We'll talk about your current community, which is like, wow, circuit, Gisalfa Stuy, which by the way, Killa, when I see Killa featuring Gisalfa Stuy, I'm like, well, I think I have an expectation with the song is did not. I know. Totally blown away by it. He flipped the script on everyone. Both of you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Gisalfa Stuy and his very, very talented. He's very specific. I won't give away any of his secrets of how he works, but I loved working on that record with him. And it's so funny. Every time we talk to each other, we always go like, oh man, I love the song. Oh man, this song. It's a very special one. It's an industrial funk song. Yeah. The only live instrument on it is the guitar. I was going to ask you everything else is electronic. That's right. That's right. It's just really, it's so different for me. And I think there's areas of Mayhem that are the type of the iceberg of where I might even go next. You know, like that was some of the joy of making the album was going like, oh, no, I'm not done with this. Right. You know, now I have to take this further. Talk about sequencing this one because I feel like that was its own process. It was sequencing the album was, I mean, Michael was like worried about me. He was like, are you okay? And I said, no, like I just kept listening to the songs in every conceivable order. Right. Oh wow. Yeah, lots of permutations. Because there's versions. It's, you know, do you do it by BPM? That's like the most, to me, the most obvious first version is like for it to feel like one night at a club, right? And then there's the other version where it's like, okay, but do you do it based on the story? And like is there a story that I'm telling here, which there is? So I did kind of a mixture of both of those things. And the album kind of starts out with like the devil on your shoulder whispering to you. Like, would you like to make some bad decisions tonight? Right. Because like, I'll help you. Yeah. Like I can fix this feeling that you're having. And by the end of the album, you know, you've gone through joy, you've gone through partying, you've gone through anger. I mean, perfect celebrities. Maybe the most angry song I've ever made. Yeah. Then vanish into you is a song about wanting to disappear and to someone. It's a happy love song, but it's also dark. We're happy just to be alive. And then Kila keeps the party going, but it's like that. It's that moment at the party when you're like a little numb down. At the end of the end of it. You're outro. You're outro. You're outro. The outros are fucking incredible. Thank you. Thank you. I am a very big fan of the outros too. We actually had a thought to release the outros like two days before the album. But I don't think I'm going to do it. Yeah. It's the hesitation. Yeah. Just because I feel like when you hear them as an actual outro, it's like, then it's an outro. But if I give it, then it's a snippet. But then it's a snippet and then it kind of is decontextualized from the actual work. Yeah. I mean, Kila, you really experienced that outro because of the beginning. Right. It kind of need the beginning. Cinderella's got to walk up the stairs before the glass liver. You know, before she can leave in a hurry. Yeah. The other song that I feel like was like, we listened to several times and the build on this one is just amazing. But it's so different for you, we feel is how bad do you want me? We love it. Oh, my God. You're like, I didn't put that on the album. No, we're so happy you did because it's like throwbacky for you because it's very pop. It really very much is. It's very. It's like a total hyper pop song. But I was like, I hear like a high school girl singing this with her. 100%. Like your, your, how bad do you? Like, yeah. Like, it just feels like you don't have me like, we can see in here the character in this. Like, tell us about that song. Okay. So very funny story is I, Michael and I started that song at home, but I had, I started it first and he heard me singing it and he walks in from the kitchen and he goes, is that about me? And I was like, no. And then he came on and we started to like finish it together and you know, that song embodies a feeling that I've had probably my whole life, which is that I always felt archetyped as a bad girl. And it's why the lyric is kind of funny. You like my hair, my ripped up jeans. Yeah. Because like that's like so stereotypical. Like the girl with ripped jeans is bad, right? Sure. It's so kind of silly and humorous. So, but, but I've always felt this kind of like, I don't know, shame that I've always been at war with this feeling that if I am, you know, interested in someone that like they're actually longing for a good girl, but they're stuck with me. And I'm who they really want. But like we're in this like three way relationship and there's, there is no actual other good girl. But the good girls like in their head and they're kind of comparing me the whole time. That girl that you like, it's real. How bad do I mean for real? Yeah, exactly. Oh my god. We love it. So we have telling you, we've been like just texting it to each other. Like, so, that you want me for real. Yeah. The good girl in your dreams is mad you're loving me. I know you wish that she was me. How bad do you want me? So yeah. And it, I like, it's so funny too, because it's a fun pop song, but I cried when I loved it. Yeah. My favorite kind of song, emotional pop. Like it's, I have a, I have some voice recordings of it somewhere that I have like from the original that, yeah, maybe I'll just drop those when at some point. That's the tease, I guess. I also was also not sure I should put that on the record. And Michael was like, you have to, like your fans are going to love that song. What was the hesitation around that about? I just, I don't know. Sometimes when things are really super pop, I get like, I don't know, I get a weird reaction. Yeah. What do you think that comes from? I don't know. I felt this way about just dance. Thank god I didn't listen to myself. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was going to ask, is it about the prior work, but I think there's something about this current team around Mayhem between Watt and Circuit and Paris. It's like, these are all people who understand what came before, but are facing and have a vision for the future for you. Yes. I mean, Andrew, what was great about working with him is he also plays a lot of different instruments. And I know how to write on all those different instruments. So if I, if we were in the studio, I would just be like, okay, like play the guitar this way, do the baseline, this one, then we would do it over and over and we would riff back and forth. Circuit is an amazing musician also. He's also like the fastest producer program I've ever seen it ever. He's wildly fast. He also does amazing analog synth work. We had like every iconic analog synth possible in the studio. Andrew also had a mechanic there that was working on the synths to kind of like bring out the low end in certain areas and like sort of like tailor the instruments to be unique for the album. And Gisoffelstein, I, I will share nothing. Okay. The man is a mystery and I'm going to, I'm going to keep it that way. He shall remain. Yeah. Yeah. Also, die with a smile at the end of the album. It's this beautiful moment of like, first of all, the first line being I just woke up from a dream really kind of works after what's happened. And then it does feel like a beautiful cinematic like credits roll. What's the Waltz too, which I love. Thank you. I, you know, as a personal choice. I really wanted the Mayhem to end. Oh, that's beautiful. You know what I mean? Like because Blade of Grass is a beautiful song, but you don't get the feeling that the Mayhem is over. No, I gotcha. With Blade of Grass. Blade of Grass is a song about saying, I'm going to spend the rest of my life with you, but I just want you to know that now that you've asked me to spend the rest of my life with you, all I can think about is how hard it was to get here. Oh. So I did make the decision that I wanted there to be a message of hope on the record. Because I, I'm like, I don't, I feel nervous about speaking about mental health issues at this stage of my life. I think only because I talked about them so much for so many years. And I'm so passionate about mental health and people getting help. But I'm also like, I like deal with my own sort of nerves about people only talking about me in that way. Right. Like, I don't want to be defined by that time in my life, but I will say that like having personal mayhem and like struggling mentally, that is a very particular kind of chaos that I hope that people who do struggle like here of this record and then know that there's peace at the end of it. Yeah. And that it can get better because it truly got better for me. Yeah. And I just really wanted that to be a part of it. And also in working with Bruno, who like 100% collaborated with me, like head to head musician to musician. And I'm usually the only woman in the room when I'm making music. And to be treated with that kind of respect really meant a lot to me. And it felt like it felt like the only way to put a period on the end of the album if that makes sense. Like that. And also that I'm sure you've heard the phrase reheating your nachos. Yeah. I never heard that. And I was like, what is this? It's running real. People are really stormy. Yeah, it is. But I have to say, like, there's something beautiful in it because I think being a female artist, there was always pressure on me. What is she going to do next? How is she going to reinvent herself? Yeah. How is she going to change? Well, you know, she's going to do the same thing forever. And then I would reinvent myself and I would change. And then be like, we wish she was like, you know, she used to be, right? And I think what I realized making this album is there is a sound and a style and a way of creating music that I did come up with. And I'm owning it on this album. And it's, to me, I did it in a new way. And I also took myself to musical places that I've never been to before. And I was a student of music. I think it's okay for anyone to own their own inventions and be like, this is me. And I'm the creator of me. And a lot of female artists, we know this that people say, well, that record was successful because of this producer or this thing was successful because it's not fair to women to do that. It's women are creators as well. We are the creators of our lives. And it's our vision. And we weren't made. We made ourselves. I think out of all your albums, this one stands as like a true artistic statement for you. It is your painting with every color on the palette. You know, it's like, I don't think you should ever, well, first of all, I don't think you will ever be defined by any of the mental health conversation. It's only been helpful to people. You've literally, you've saved my life. I would listen to Mary the night in very dark times. I still do. Oh my God. Tuesday night writing at SNL. Sometimes I'll just, I'll hit that track. I got to marry the fucking night because it's 4 a.m. and I got to, I have a sketch to finish. You know what I mean? I don't like it. I completely understand this relationship you have with the people, the way people talk about your life and what you've gone through. It is only enriching what the work is. Thank you. I, thanks for sharing that. I'm so sorry that you go through those times. I, I think it's, you know, it's like something I have to work through because it really was true that for a while. And I don't know if you can relate to this anyway, but it's sometimes when you get to that place, talking about it is the healthiest thing for you. And like you have to get it out. And if you don't get it out, you're just living in silence about it. And it's like the secret that is making you feel more sick. So yeah, I'm, you know, I'm a work in progress. It's like I'm just, you know, I'm not an authority on anything really. I just am a person and I love making people happy. And I hope that people will put on mayhem start to finish and just have a good time because it's ultimately meant to, to be a celebration of you. But I think I did make it for those that feel like maybe they don't always know how to make sense of themselves. And I'm saying like, that's cool. It's okay. You don't have to make perfect sense of it. That's what the sequencing is about in the end. That's probably why you went in on this order of songs because that's the statement. That's right. Well, we have the central question of our podcast that we ask everybody that we're going to ask of you, Lady Gaga, which is what was the culture that made you say culture was for me. And I think that's something from a film you saw that moved you in a certain direction, a song and artist, something environmental. If you could think I became something close to Lady Gaga, if not full on Lady Gaga in this moment. I have a few different ones. I feel like we love that. I think the one that is the most important to me is I had gay friends in high school and I didn't have a lot of friends in high school and I went to an all-girl school, which means that when school was over, I used to walk like eight blocks away to the boy's school and they weren't out yet. But we were friends and we would do the musicals together and I found my people. And then later in my career, when I started performing out and I had LGBTQ plus fans, I was like, oh, this is the community that loved me when I was a child and this is the community that I'm meant to be a part of now. And so I don't think I would be Lady Gaga without the queer community. Wow. You're such an important friend in the life of a gay person when you are that person. You know what I mean? That's such a silly way to sequence those words, sequencing. But I'll just never forget my safe spaces when I wasn't out, when I was in high school, when I felt like I could talk about my influences, talk about the music I wanted to talk about, you know, like telling all the boys in my school that I liked Lynn Biscuit and all love to them. But I want to talk about Christina Aguilera and then finding the girls and being like, don't you love the last track? Obviously, the self titled, you know what I mean? Like it's just like being able to share a language and share a humor and you have grown into such a maximum version of that. And it was, I mean, jumping around, we just have to say it was so beautiful. And thank you so much for saying what you said on the Grammys. Oh, that was for speaking to our community and speaking to the trans community. And the community and people that need it the most. That was my absolute privilege. And I promised myself that if I want to grant me that night, I was going to say something that was in support of something that is so, so important, which is to be protective and loving to a community that is experiencing violence. Yep. It's my privilege to be a part of this community. And it's the language that we speak to each other. And it's also like, thank you for teaching me so much about the world. I couldn't be the person that I am without the stories of all of the people that I've met and the authenticity and the realness. Like I have so many gay friends that just share with me their truth. And that's a real gift. Like how many people do you mean that don't do that? I'm right. Everybody. And it's like that can be also not a great way to move through the world. So to me, this is my privilege to be a part of it. And I know I wouldn't be the same. And I think born this way for me was, it's easily my favorite album that I ever created. And what's interesting is the second answer to the question that you asked me if I had to think of another culture, it would be that culture of friends on the lower east side. And born this way was a mixture of the inspiration of the queer community, my love of the queer community, as well as like this like techno rock, electro rock, underground New York metal scene that I was a part of. So you know, all of those things like that blender is like truly what makes me me. And it still is. And I think this is an important time for us all to be real with each other and ask for what we need from each other. Something about that night where you won the Grammy with Bruno, that was so impactful, because I was just watching at home kind of just, because a couple of hours have gone behind the show already. And I was just like, I guess no one's really addressing what's going on in like a real, important way. And you were, you broke the seal on that. And then the immediate response from the audience and from people at home was, thank God, you said something. I'm grateful because I will always think about the way you handled the rumors and the way you even talked about it with Anderson Cooper, which was like, would that be such a bad thing? Like the fact that you were even talking about this recently where you're like, you had to decide whether or not you would quote unquote fix the rumor, but how would that make someone feel if they were trans? And why would you inject more shame into that situation? Because I think there is some turning point in Lady Gaga as an artist who was studying fame because that's a moment where I don't know, we experience some such a smaller scale than you obviously, but it's like there's nothing more frustrating than someone saying something about you that isn't true. And you don't have the opportunity to address it or you're not, all you want to say is that's not true. But for you to flip that on a 10 and be like, if it were true, who fucking cares? Yeah. It's huge. Yeah. Well, I think that was probably the most responsible I ever felt for like the words that we're going to come out of my mouth at that point. Like I really kind of did understand that the way that I would react to that would I thought be meaningful. But to be frank, I didn't think about it for very long. It had been better. No, but seriously, it was outrageous to me that it was also kind of a weird thing. So how do you feel about these rumors? I'm like, what are we talking about? These are people's lies. Yes. These are people's real lives. And that's what makes me so upset about it today is when I see, when I see people peering down at others and making it, making it like socially acceptable to peer down and to say that the trans community should be treated this way is wrong. It is wrong. It's violent. It is everything I hate. It is everything I hate. To just go after the most vulnerable people. Yes. That's why community is so important though, because had you not been exposed to community and had you not like had this understanding of people's humanity, someone may have been put in that situation as like a pop star that's being rocketed to fame and like, you know, aggressively trying to be defined by this thing that the media is like, you know, inherently saying is like some negative thing. But because you had that exposure to community and because you knew the reality that these are people's lives, you were able to be in that position and be so gorgeous and responsible and that's why it's important. The blessing is when I was accepted by the queer community, that was the gift to me because then I get to learn and I get to, I get to experience and have real relationships that change my insights. Sometimes people ask, you know, how can I do this better? Can you explain this to me? Like, people want to learn more. And I always have the desire to say, like be friends with more people in the queer community. Like, that's the best way to learn is to just be a part of the world. And it's quite easy. We're all pretty friendly. That's right. Yeah. The best. I mean, you were so you were such an important part of that conception for people because I think I had come out of the closet again when born this way came out because when to conversion therapy obviously didn't well, we're to not work out. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So, matted come out in college. So we've known each other since college. Matt had come out around the same thing. We were both doing comedy. He was in the sketch group. I was in the improv group. Born this way came out the same, the single came out the same week as this college comedy festival where we would drive from NYU. Skip more up to skidmore. And we were just blasting that song for 48 straight hours, being wasted, just like in some like tool shed and run, run, just like that is and he felt emboldened to come out that weekend. That's really special. That's really, really special. You're so important to a huge swath of people who only want the best things for you and for each other. And if there is community in this world, it is fully embodied in that sector, but also those people need leadership and you've always been that leader culturally, artistically. In so many ways, you've always been that person. I appreciate you saying that, but you know what, I more than being a leader, I just want to do my part. Yeah. And like, I really believe that like we can all do our small part and then when we all do our small part, it like makes a big part. And I believe that we will continue to show people that are filled with hatred and ignorance that they should be looking up to the queer community and following and learning about love, learning about grace, learning about kindness. I really believe that and I'm not giving up. No, no, no, no. And we know and neither are we. And it's, it's so interesting that the answer that you gave to the question was almost like the very simple, beautiful answer that felt like was coming out in the results of the election and everything is people were just saying one word, community. Yeah. Look around you, water the flowers, build those connections, maybe find new connections. That's right. Community. That is really what it's all about and exposure to the humanity of everybody. That's right. And I know that it feels important for me to say to that, yes, I say these things publicly, but like it's actually even more important to me that I live them in my life. Right. Like that is the work. Yeah. Yeah. The category is dancer die. The only way forward is to just, is to be joyous and to celebrate each other in that way because like, I think I work a dabber is like my interpretation of it is it is this dual between, it's death or love, it's the only alternative. There's really only one option in that video. It really, like she, she announces the category, but like you kind of know like no, we're going to dance. We can't be kids. Yeah, it's a easy choice for me. Yeah, we're going to dance. Speaking of dance. Okay. So we'll be at Coachella. I'm going weekend one, but when I start working, he's going to go weekend two. I think I may go again. Is there, because we're listening to the album and we're like, oh my god, in the desert this is going to be insane. Could you sing some water? Yeah. Of course. We'll be safe. We'll be safe. We'll be safe. So how long have you been thinking about that performance? All night, every night, because I said yes. And also, you know, before then, I mean, I didn't really get a chance to do Coachella the way I wanted to do it. Because you were, you were, you came in and asked what we held in. Yeah. You know, it was great. It was actually great for a star is born to because Coachella agreed to let us use the stage term, the movie, as you know, making movies and production, like having, you know, places to film as a positive thing was great for the film. Yeah. I had like three days to get ready for it. Oh my god. Which is absurd. Yeah, it's not fair. But for this, I am just putting everything that I have into it and I'm really excited. And I do, but I don't want to give anything away. Right. Because I truly want it to be like big, a big surprise. I feel like I have heard you say in recent interviews that you have been moving in the direction of something slightly more stripped down because there was a time in your career where, you know, the set pieces would be like unmanageably big. You know what I mean? And now you are thinking in terms of sustainability and in terms of like, I do. Yeah. I do think a lot more now about like not wasting and not overproducing things. Because when I was younger, I used to get like so nervous that we would like run out of props or run out or costumes we get ruined or something wouldn't work well. So we would have a backup. But now, you know, I have an archive with a lot of like costumes from all my previous tours and TV shows. And so now I try to reuse those and repurpose them. And in the Abercudabra video, we did some of that as well as like the white cape that I'm wearing. wedding dresses. It was all vintage wedding dresses. That's so cool. So, you know, I'm trying to, yeah, I'm changing. I don't think you need the overproduction, obviously. This is what you're saying. It's like people will just be fucking gagged to see you in any kind of stage picture. You know, they think about the radio studio show with Tony Bennett. It's like, we were with our friend, Judy and we just, the three of us kept saying she just always knows her stage picture. Thank you. But, you know, I do, I do believe when it comes to stage performance and this is probably has to do more with me, like loving theater so much too, is that you can do a lot with like a black box theater and a spotlight. And like, it's how it's lit. It's your pose. It's the way that you say the first line. You know, more adornment and more money doesn't necessarily mean better. Certainly. You know, it's like how you think about it and how you bring it. I think simplicity is actually like very, very powerful. But that also is not indicative necessarily of what Coachella will be. So I do. Sure. I just brought that up as a maybe a little. You were talking, clearly, on hot ones actually about like performing at the slip room way back when, which is crazy because we've done shows there. We've done shows there. And like, I was just thinking to myself when you were talking about that, some of my most formative, memorable, like theatrical experiences have been in rooms with like seven or eight other people watching someone create fantasy. That's right. When you shouldn't be able to, but yet it is that it is like lighting choices, the way things sound in rooms like that. That's right. It's the stage. Yeah. It's like the magic of the stage that that because when you do things like, I mean, there are clothes where people perform right like in the room, like on the floor. Right. But to me, the context changes on a stage. You know, it's elevated and you know, like, I'm going to see a show and there's going to something's going to try to move me. Yeah. And I do find in New York actually at some of those downtown clothes that like, there is a men's talent. Yes. A men's talent. And it's so much fun. And I've always like also been so in awe of the drag shows in New York. Oh, the best. It is unreal. And I've been watching some of the recreations on the talk of the video. And it's just like, it's, I mean, yeah, I'm blowing. I was Jan, Jan did it with the next day after the whole lot. Oh, I mean, well, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just don't know. Like the, no, but also the, the leasing is perfect. I mean, the hat and the, and I saw people making like the, the spike tat out of plastic and then hand spray painting at cranberry. Cranberry. I mean, when you came to Drag Race and did that workshop with them, that was just taking it the extra mile. And I think that telegraphed to everyone that it is about the details. It is, I mean, like that, that is such a, of course, it's about so much more than that, but the details do matter. You were so detailed in the way that you walked through with those queens. I mean, I loved being a part of Drag Race. That was so much fun and also a privilege. I, I loved it so much. I mean, I think that I have like just the ultimate respect for Drag as an art form. I also think drag very often does it so much better than we do it on red carpets. Honestly, like I think it's just on another level. Yeah. How much of what you do do you think of as drag? I mean, that's interesting. I probably wouldn't use that word just because I do feel like it's a very specific art form that I don't like do. But there is, to me, also a drag element in what I'm doing. But I don't think that, you know, wigs and makeup and costumes always mean drag. Right. I think it is a very beloved and specific art form. But not no. Not no. Certainly not. But certainly not. No. It's kind of like sometimes people will, you know, you know, ask me that. And I just, like, it's hard to say yes because I would never want to like take away from someone that's devoted their life to it. Sure. You're coming from a place of respect to what they do. Yeah. Exactly. That's my sort of rationale whenever someone's like, what would your drag name be? I'm like, I don't know because I have not thought that. Not far because, and I honestly think it's because I love the form so much that I'm like, I don't want to insert myself in that without earning my chops without like, that's right. Well, if I was going to do it, I would have to like step it up. Yeah. Anyway. Right. So there you go. To speak on another art form because we went to NYU here, you did a semester at the cap 21. Yes. So we had a bunch of friends in cap 21. We were there and that was like legendary that you had grace that studio for even a second. Is there still a part of you that would do musical theater and like a, like a mainstream sense like, would you go and do Broadway? I think so. I think so. I think I would love to write a musical. Well, of course. I think that I knew one. Yeah. Yeah. I think that, I mean, that would give me the ultimate joy of like crafting all the music and working with amazing writers on developing the story and the script and then, you know, the stage design and the costumes. Yeah. And then maybe I'd be in it too, but you know, just like the idea of writing one, that sounds really, I mean, that's, I mean, come on. The Cindy Lauper bag. I mean, because all my albums basically want to be music. Of course. Of course. You're in the pocket already. Why not? Okay. We're going to close things off with, I don't think so, honey. This is where we take one minute each to rail against something. I'm trying to think of is anything else I want to ask you. Oh, I know, I know, I know. I have one more thing. Okay. Okay. So you talk about when you do films. Yeah. Your commitment to that ends like your, I don't know, have you described yourself as method? Yes. Yeah. Probably. That sounds like something I would say. Yeah. And that embarrassingly remembering, yes. No, but I want to know because your performances are so brilliant. I mean, you and I saw stars for five times opening weekend. Thank you. I love House of Gucci. I mean, like, I wonder, have you approached acting now in a way that you can feel is sustainable or how do you feel when you are approaching a role now in terms of what you've learned and what you've done? Because you've done such incredible stuff. I think, thank you. I think that I love making films. Yeah. I love being an actor. Being a privileged working with such amazing actors and actresses in like every film that I've been a part of. I learned a lot working with Joaquin actually. It was a very, very enriching experience. I would say, I don't know that it's acting. You're really feeling it when you're doing it and it's real. So I would say the thing I've learned the most is like to put yourself fully in the moment and to really be in it as if it was real life and that it is a performance but that it's not pretend. Right. I was actually working with, it's really sorry, but I was working with my niece on something related to Wicked. Oh. She sings. And I was talking to her about thinking of a moment in her life where it made her want to cry because she felt so changed inside. And what I want to say about acting is it's not far from singing. That you have to go to a place where you're really truly connecting to what you're saying. And it's not just about the words on their own. It's about like the human being behind it. Right. But when you play characters that go through so like such harrowing stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And that going forward, like I don't know if you have anything on the books or whatever, but would you ever do because you love comedy so much? Like does the lightness appeal to you in terms of that art? It does. It actually does. Michael's always like can you please do it? Absolutely punishing yourself. Yes. I would love to do a more lighthearted film. I would. But I love the dark stuff too. Yeah. That is. Yeah. It's my ham. I'm like, I'm like a pretty soft person that adores intensity. So I don't really know where that comes from. I always thought it was funny when I was making this album because like I would, you know, like I'm at home like making breakfast for me and Michael and then go to the studio and I'm like kind of soft-spoken and like just being myself. And then like the music was so hard. And it's like it doesn't really make a lot of sense. But you know, I guess that's the way that I deal with myself. It's like the way I deal with my anger. It's the way that I deal with my intense feelings. Yeah. Got it. God. We just love you at all for whatever you do. We just love you at all. It's just anyway. We, this is amazing having you here but we're going to do our silly little segment now. I don't think so honey. And I guess I'll start it out. I do have something. Last night I sort of was like I had nervous energy. I was like I want to take myself on a YouTube wormhole that I've never experienced before. I want a new educational experience and I got one. I'm excited to learn. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many times starts now. I don't think so many people don't respect elephants. You don't understand how complicated their communication is. This is a fact elephants can communicate from miles away with each other without seeing each other. They speak and it is speaking at a decibel that is so low. Do you understand? I don't know how many you understand. You can't be heard by the human ear but they are always speaking. Elephants have processes they go through for their grief. They honor their dead. They will walk in succession and grieve and there is different ways of communicating. They're in a matriarchal society. People don't know that and get this. It's not just mom. It's mom and all her friends raising a child community. The aunties. It's the aunties. It's the friends. They will mimic what it is to feed a child even if they're not feeding it just to give the child comfort. Elephants are unbelievable. They are not just gorgeous and think about their trunks. That is amazing. Can you do something like that? I don't think so, honey. That's one minute. You've got to get on my level when it comes to you to with this point. I've never been so connected to the animal world and you know sometimes I fear animals. Yes, you do. Just the wild ones. But the elephants are important. These elephants have you ever really gotten into Elf and culture? I am dead over that rant. That was no way. Have you been to Africa to see them? Yes. You're no lucky. You're no lucky. Oh my god. No, that was amazing. Thank you so much. I just wanted to give them their shine because and I actually almost came in here today. I changed my outfits six times Gaga and landed in a white polo. But I was going to wear a red sweatshirt with a panda on it. Oh. Because they're my next target. I was like, I need to find out what's happening with them. There's a lot. Oh my god. And by the way, elephants, when they say they never forget, they really don't. And that's why it's so important to keep them safe because when they are attacked or they have a family member attacked, the trauma lives in them forever. Oh my god. And they remember it and they won't go places where they look so sad. It is so sad. But it's, but the knowledge will, will embolden us to protect them. Thank you for your service to the elephant. That was beautiful. I just care for them so much. And they're so tender and emotional. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So with that, Bo and Yang, do you have an adult thinks? I do. I do. Okay. Wonderful to hear. I love when that is true. This is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey. It's times yours now. I don't think so, honey. Hot ones. You made Lady Gaga cry. And you're going to give this woman to bomb. I've had it. I had the privilege, quote unquote, of tasting to bomb. And it is battery acid, rancid stuff, just kidding. Sean Evans, we love you. Love you everybody. First, be feast. One of the funnest things I've done personally, you were a champ. It was, it did not feel right to make you suffer in that way. While you were trying to talk about the album, while you were trying to talk about your career, I can't, we need to put respect on Lady Gaga's time in her promotional bag. I guess she can't be making this woman Trump on plant-based wings. I think 15 seconds to do it off camera. Just say, Sean, how about this? Say before we recorded, we had Lady Gaga try these wings. Five seconds. We're not going to put the indignity of her sweating and crying and, you know, chugging down milk on film for you. That's not for the some things are too precious and that's one of them. And that's one minute. Bo and Yang said, fuck your show. No. Change the format so that we can do. No, but you were amazing. You were incredible on it. Oh my God. What was the process of the like? What? You're still, you're still absorbing that. I know, I can't. It's, these are like, this is amazing. No. Yes. This is amazing. This is amazing. It's special. You blown away by Adolfing Sohoney. It's so funny. It's so funny. I am. I am. You're going to be great. You're going to be great. Just, it's not harder than hot ones. Okay. I mean, but hot ones was it a good experience? Yes. I had a great time. I just kidding. It was spicy. It was spicy. But do you do spicy? I do. I do do spicy. Yeah. I mean, what I thought was funny was that I did like seven and they were sort of fine. And then eight out of no one. Yeah, debon. And I know where it kills you. I was like, the what a sneak attack though. Like, at least let me know at four and six. Totally. This is going to get that. How do you want to see in the show? No, of course I have. I just like, I don't know if I'd seen like, you know, 30 episodes. Yeah. Watching from home, you're like, oh, like I guess it's a linear or a curve. I thought it would be, I kept laughing at myself because I was like, it's like not actually a contest. It's not a cut. No, it's not a cut. No, it's not a cut. No, it's not a cut. I'm like, am I winning? But like, if you get to the end, you win. And you win. You won. Yeah. I love that you totally forgot. You were so in the heat of the moment. Literally that you forgot to promote the album. You were like, oh, yeah. And you were like, oh, that was fun. What am I here to do? That was amazing. That was one of my favorite episodes. And I again, purely ingest, that is one of the favorite, my favorite things I've ever done. He's got to do it. He's doing it. It's going to happen. But what we're doing in the versus, we're doing versus, Matt and I are going to do one where you face, where that is a game of contest where you face off against each other. But he's going to win. Well, I think it's so sweet is that he mirrors you. He'll drink if you drink. He eats the wings at the same time that you do. I think that's lovely. I mean, he was really nice. He's so nice. I think he was really nice. Yeah, he was so sweet. And I just, I was expecting more spicy. Yeah, until until until I was praying for it to stop. That's where you were praying. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, anyway, just had to take them to task and it's now time for yours if you'd like to do one. I'm going to do one. So afraid this is going to backfire. No, no, no. You just say, I don't think so, honey. Then the thing and then you just kind of let it go. What a go. One minute goes by fast. This is Lady Gaga's I don't think so, honey. That's sentenced. And her time starts now. Basically, I don't think so, honey, that you guys are putting me on the spot to do this. I don't think so. I don't like to do this. I hate ranting. I hate confronting people. You're really good at it. I'm uncomfortable. I right now I'm shaking. Seriously, I like what would love to just like go on stage and sing and change my outfits and pick my wigs and write songs and make albums and go on tours. Here you go. But I do not want to rant about anything. No, no. It is so scary to me. I feel scared. I want to cry. No, please don't cry. I love you both so much. But I don't think so that you're putting me on this spot. I can not just going to do whatever you say, whatever you ask me to do it. When you tell me to do things, it makes me want to cry. It makes me insane. We shouldn't have done that. We shouldn't have done that. I love you so much. And also, I don't think so. Don't you ever put me on the spot ever again. But I love doing this. 10 seconds. Thank you so much for having me here. But please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public. Oh, and that's one minute, lady God. Honestly, hot wings. You should have gotten rid of your hot sauce, lost coach. We should have not done that on things so long. I mean, we have to work the shows done. This is the last episode ever. This is it. How can we beat this? Good. Does that funny? Yes. Are you kidding me? I think you have to ask. God, God, you're about to be. So, what the? Did you break in a sweat? Yes. You're God, God, come on. Yes. You know what? I like to plan. I know. I'm such a control freak. I like to plan everything. I like to know every time. When was the team? They were told about that. The team was told about this. I panic then. And now. We're so sorry. That's okay. I don't real level. You crushed it. So, there you go. You know, all the best Adam things to honey's have been the one that kind of drags us. In a way. In a way. To have a drag to us. Yeah. Truly, the people who come after us tend to succeed. It's all done. Yeah. Thank you. Very well done. I think I got, like, my voice got very high and loud. You're warmed up now. No, you haven't done it for a whole year. Not yet. Even on days when you don't perform, you do your warm up? Yes. It's fun, right? Yeah. It's grounding. And then, and like, then sometimes, yeah, I can't give too much away. Okay. I can't give too much away. I'm in like the danger zone with Coachella where like, it's going to start slipping sand. Totally. Because it's getting closer. It's happening. You're seeing the visuals. We cannot fucking wait. I'm going to be amazing. We're coming. Yeah. We will take care of you. Oh, no, no, no. I'm coming. We're getting to you. He's coming. We're getting to you. Clips. But I will go again because I have to be there with him to watch it. Okay. I'm not missing this for the fucking world. So literally what it was was we had, why are tickets for the first one? We get and he was like, I'll just come Sunday and on the, cause I'm working because I'm working on Saturday. Famously on the odds that she's performing on Sunday night. I'll just come. The Friday announcement, we love it. You're going to kick off the weekend. So incredibly well. But I was like, okay, now I'll go back the second weekend so that I get to go. Thank you. I'm a friend. Mayhem is that March 7th. That's right. Two days after my birthday, by the way, this kicked off Pisces season the best. Oh, yeah. It's February 19th. Deep in the fields. This is really, really good stuff. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. I loved this so much. I love you both so much. Thanks for being so kind to me and it was such a nice hang. It was really good. It really was. Yeah. I hope that we can do it again without microphones. Oh, yeah. We can't really do these things. We love that. We do end every episode with a song. Killa. I'm a killer. I'm a killer. I'm a killer. You're going to die tonight. Killer killer killer killer killer killer killer killer. Oh my god. Listen to me. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. 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