Moose Got Bullied by Wack, Do Boy Tormented by 607 Unc, Vlad vs Aries Spears

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So that it was just... It was super hot. Yeah, that takes some planning. That's the kind of guy I want to interview. That's why I'm not trying to go to prison, because you gotta deal with people that have minds like that that can even think that up quickly. No, yeah. And he said that the guy started throwing toilet water all over the place. Trying to put out the fire. He really puts it into perspective how crappy being in jail probably is. Yeah, no for sure. But I mean, you throw shit at people. You might get lit on fire. Yeah, I mean, there's no other response. What else are you going to do to top poop? Fire. Fire. Fire or only lock to the head? Something, yeah, because poop is just disrespectful. I thought spit was bad. Like Glock Dookie in and then you got to meet Glock Dookie with fire. That's how it is. Look at Dragonite Crip complaining. He's scared to donate because he might not get his donations read. Wow. Don't let that stop you. Dragonite Crip, we will always read out your thoughts and whatever you have to offer. They've been politicking on Dragonite Crip as a mod lately. Oh, yeah, because he was just saying I'm going to ban everybody who's glazing moose. Yeah, they're saying he's going a little too hard in the channel. Hey, don't make me check the records because if you're banning the moose glazers, I mean, that's really all we got as a community. Yeah, everybody's going to be gone. We're going to come through and blow Dragonite Crip's house up. I already lost a couple of moose glazers this week. All right, so I need all the moose I can get. Did you? I got disowned by some podcasters and all kinds of stuff going on, man. I know some people call me from Sacramento saying you can't even claim Sacramento more. Yeah. Davis and Citrus Heights. Tell them to make a bigger name than a motherfucker from Sacramento did. You know what I'm saying? I want to say somebody that could make that call. You feel me? But I did want to give the 22-ster something because he did dive in front of the manic crazy man, Wack 100, to protect me. Wow. Even Adam 22 was heaven sent. That's what I'm talking about. Right there, man, for all that hard work and dedication to keep me safe. I officially killed your joke. Here at Nojumper, yeah, this is the final. It's a little late. It had to come in the mail. It's a little late on the joke, but I'm saying I'm gonna walk around my neighborhood wearing this. Even Adam 22 was heaven sent. No, like, hey, be thankful to have me. Yeah. I'm here. Even you. But Moose, how does that feel though, bro? You said what, you about 260? Yeah, 257. You 257, hiding behind a man that's 230. 40. For a man that's 24. That's crazy. Yeah, but it's just like you were really like hugged behind him. I wasn't hugged behind him. I was just, you know, staying in a safe distance. You know, isn't that what we're supposed to do? You know, everything that I do, Doughboy, is based on logic and reason. If it's not based on logic and reason, it's just based on ego and being a man. That's not, I didn't get here doing that type of shit. You know what I'm saying? My main goals is always stay safe, don't die, don't go to jail, don't go to prison. Those are my main staples in life, you know what I'm saying? And it's gotten me here. So the fact that people want me to crash out, there's no possible situation where I take that fight in that room, in that studio, and it works out for me. One, I'm getting J-rated. I'm the next J-read alley victim. And then two, all the equipment's broken. Adam's looking at me crazy. Instead, wax someone looking crazy. And you know, people could just say I marked out or I didn't do the manliest thing, but I take that over, you know, ruining an opportunity like this. I think the way that you did it, because, okay, like, me and you have yet to be on camera together. Me and you spent dozens of hours, it feels like, on camera the other day, although we were just high as hell and I don't know how much we really talked about anything. But you came in while I was sleeping. I did a six-hour sleep break in the middle of the 24-hour pod. And when I got up, you had already been there, recorded the whole song, but I didn't actually cross paths. And that was like my goal, was like, I knew that you guys were saying you were going to fall asleep. So I'm like, I'm going to come do the night shift just because I know people start getting tired. I remember how our stream was. So I was trying to just bring some energy throughout the night. No, I was appreciative for sure. We somehow managed to pull off two 24-hour streams in a week, even though one of them was not currently archived. Hopefully it'll make a return. Hopefully, yeah, yeah. Have we got a final answer on that? Yeah, are we just still in the air? Okay. It's like, I think basically at this point, we're not going to be able to recover it from the computer and we're not going to, the file is not just going to process. It's not just pop up one day randomly. So basically like YouTube has to like aid us by sending us the original video file. And I'm not sure to what lengths Josh has necessarily gone to try to get it, but that would basically be what would have to happen in order for us to be able to post it, which trust me, whatever you're feeling, I feel the same way. The idea of losing a pod, even though we did stream it, so it's not quite as bad as just losing a pod, which I've done a handful of times over the years. It hurts. Like I want everything that I do on the internet to be archived video wise, like even our kick streams, I just immediately archive them to YouTube and everything like that. And yeah, it's not a great feeling. I hate it for Munchie and Lush, because I feel like they both shine so much. I'd never seen that side of Munchie. Oh, it was so funny. First like 12 hours of the stream was a Munchie show for sure. That was great. But we live and we learn. And it had like a hundred, I think 12,000 when we ended. We ended with 117. That's how many people saw it. Yeah, 120. It could go down like Urban Folklore. Like exactly. It was there. It was there. Yeah. Meanwhile, even the one we did on Friday is like we had to split into the four parts. So it's like four different parts with maybe like 60 K or some shit on each of them, which is OK. But still, it's like, I would like to just have like a massive 24 hour. Yeah, you can just go and see. Have the two 24 hour things at least picked your interest. Like, yeah, there's something here. Streaming or you're still not so just. It's a cool idea, but like financially, it doesn't really make sense in comparison to the amount of work it is. You know, like when I was kind of doing my like back of the napkin math, it was kind of like, it's cool, but it's not like, oh, like we do a five hour pod and therefore a 25 hour pod is like five times as good. Yeah, right, right. It's not really like I definitely think we should keep doing it, but it's kind of like we need to like, I think when I really like think about the one that we did Friday, it was more of just like an endurance contest of like, how long can we all sit here? We're going to get drunk. We're going to eat chicken wings. We're going to smoke a bunch of weed. We're going to basically like challenge ourselves to tolerate each other. Yeah. Since we could talk about Unc and a little bit, but I feel like that was one of the major hurdles was just not killing Unc. I'm really proud of all of us that we did kill Unc. I talked to him this morning. How was that? It was cool. He's going to come on Wildin out like he's cool and I'm actually going to go out there. I believe this weekend in Vegas and probably with him. So you, okay, that's an interesting decision because you were actually like losing your mind towards the end. It was. But then once I started to understand like that's his character. That's who he is. Like it's hard to like just let people just say whatever it is, but I learned even today like I'm no longer taking what anybody says personally. He called you gay for hours. And the word really got you to the point where I felt like even though you said that you haven't been in a fight in like 30 years, I really felt like I was going to have to like dive in there. It was good. He was pushing my buttons and he knew he was pushing my buttons and I was just like, but I got a lot of self control. So you know, plus I'm not, not that guy. So it was just like, all right, but I'm not taking nothing that nobody says personally. It just felt like somehow we had created a scenario in which like perhaps the goal was to push Doughboy to his limit. That kind of felt like it kind of started to feel very intact. It's all about mental health. I said, I'm like, God damn, have you no, you don't like you won't cross. I was tuned into that because they had live. I was like, wow, they're getting in depth, man. This is definitely not the party vibe. I was expecting that. I was like, is that what you want to talk about? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was definitely a party vibe, but it was a different party vibe than what I expected because there was so little to talk about at a certain point. What are you going to talk about for 24 hours? It's almost impossible. So it just ends up getting to the point of like, let's call each other gay. And that's what happened. The first one to me and Lush were just saying like, we've been out the bus a hundred times and just laughing. And it's like, at some point you get delirious. Right. You just think it's genius. And you sound really funny and like three people in the chat are laughing with you. Exactly. Yeah, it was interesting because it's like, you know, you have the girls coming and then that like gives you a little energy for a little while. And like some other girls come on. It's like, oh, I guess we could get like two hours of like talking to these random hoes, whatever. I don't know. I definitely like I like the idea of just doing like long streams in general. I'm just like, not really sure if the juice is necessarily like worse to squeeze for the 24 hour thing. Yeah, that's extreme. You're talking about five days. What the hell would that look like? But what do you think of like like a 24 hour stream? Like you guys broke it up, but then there's like a new cast every six hours or something like that, like a whole new rotation of fresh people. And like, yeah, different kind of vibes for the different chunks. You know what I do think it was good for? I do think it was good for team building. It felt like real good. Like just being around, you know, your people once Lush said that he was like, this is the most like kind of together. I felt like you know, prime, whatever, you know, a few years ago, I was like, oh, that's a that's a pretty big statement. I think it would have been even more like if even more people would have came out like from the no jumper frame like that half phase, the you know, just everybody, you know, I'm saying the suspects, I think it would have been, you know, but we did it. And you know, we did it. And I think it was dope to do it just because like for me personally, especially like you got to look at like no jumper in terms of like, what does it do? And for the most part, it's been we do weekly pods where we talk to each other. There's the news, which is kind of like, you know, the people who are without me. It's like oftentimes that's kind of like where we try out people and stuff, even though there's more established people as well in there. And then we do interviews. So like the three main things that no jumper does content wise. And then this like, OK, last year, I did a bunch of vlogs where I went to different people's neighborhoods in Texas and New York and all over the place and tried to do the more like high quality vlog thing, which is kind of what you've like learned to expect from like the Tommy G's and the brand of Buckingham's and whatnot to the world. And I ended up feeling like, although we put together a lot of content that I was pretty proud of, that it just feels like the vlog thing is just kind of not what it once was. So this year, I've really been trying to like experiment with streaming more and just what that looks like in terms of us doing a lot of different things streaming wise and it's dope. But it also is kind of like, I don't know, it's just sort of. Yeah, I got so many thoughts. I got a lot of messages. I get a lot of messages on like a weekly basis telling me to tell you to do more kick streams. People love that. I get that's like one of my most. The end thing is like, yo, tell Adam do more kick stream. Everything we do, though, is like live stream and YouTube at the same time. Just for the whole the goal. Like while we had 4,000 people on the YouTube stream during the 24 hour stream, we had like 100 on kick. Well, I didn't know that. I didn't know it was multi probably it was higher at other times. But like, I mean, we we multi stream for the most part. But like doing the IRL streams, I think that's what they're referring to. Yeah. Like what is a 24 hour version of that? Look like we did the single call one. We did the one where we hung out all day and then we went to the the King Pill fight. You know, it's like and what's interesting about it is that it creates so much content for us to talk about on the podcast that even if it's not like immediately profitable, especially given that you have to be out filming all day. Usually we need security, etc. The shot gate out of it. You get, you know, lush press and smokers out of it. You get all the great moments getting killed by his girlfriend. Yes, cuddled up and skids. Surgical cult members killing each other. Murder. Exactly. We never even like found out what happened. Exactly. But you would never even been in tune with those folks if you guys weren't streaming IRL, you know. No, definitely. But I mean, overall, I had a good time. I thought that it was it was fun. I mean, I don't know how much it was devalued in people's minds because it slept for 24 hours. But for sure, like me at by 3 a.m. Like when I went to sleep and I was like back on by like nine or 10. I was like a different person. Like it was crazy how much little it's this. Yeah, it'd be a lot. That was like one of the only times I ever been on camera without like pre caffeine, because normally I'm always going to drink caffeine before I get on the podcast. I'm like, I definitely sat down and started screaming at people and tell people on particular. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. No, I saw some people coming for you for kind of coming at ankin like a couple other instances where like even when you checked Bo Jackman over certain words you were saying, right. But you've kind of been clear that you're, you know, a comedy is legal against have a guy then or doesn't mean nothing to me. Like these words don't mean anything. But then you kind of like certain words to you do mean things and then you trip on people. So like, which is it? No, so that's my thing. It's like, I like when I said the N word thing, the reason why I'm OK with non black people saying N word, because they're not saying it in a disrespectful way. There's somebody was saying it like a white dude. Yeah, of course I'm gonna have a problem. Okay. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. But then you know what I'm saying? But then like, uncle was calling me the B word. He kept questioning my sexuality. It's just like, it felt like he was trying to push you. Yeah. And it was just like, what are you looking for here? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, even with Bo, it wasn't with me. It was like, he was tripping with the female. And I'm just like, bro, you being wild, disrespectful to a woman here. Like, this is somebody that I brought here because he was tripping out with Breezy just like talking to her crazy. Yeah, that part was crazy. But like, what if he's like, oh, well, you know, the bitch word doesn't really mean shit to me, you know, like how you feel with the N word or black face. But even when I said about the bitch thing, I said girls can call each other bitch and it means something different to them. That don't mean that a man could call you a bitch because that's a different connotation. And that's why even when I told him, I was just like, hey, bro, don't be calling my home girl no bitch. Oh, what a be easy. They don't call her that. Like, if I'm telling you to somebody that I'm here with, then just chill out. I'm not asking you to call her Queen Elizabeth. But maybe just her name or something. Disrespect my home girl. Like, yeah, so it was just weird. Interesting. And then I found out this is another reason too. I want to address this too. So you know who's talking crazy about me. And this just threw me out the fucking loop. Smack and T-Rail. What they say? They say I'm over here dick sucking because I got the tattoo. And it's just like, bro, and it just threw me off because I actually met T-Rail. And he was cool. Yeah. I met him at, you know, with Nick Cannon and shit. So he has 22 derangement syndrome. So anytime anything involving me or no jumper comes up, he just jumps out the window and starts contacting things he said in the past and everything like that. And they were just like trying to call me a goofy and shit. And it's just like, oh, why would he go from my out to over there? It's just like, first of all, you don't even know me. You don't know nothing about me. And you just talking crazy about. That's why I said, you know what? I'm no longer taking this shit personal because it's just why like, you know, I'm saying you're just saying things. Yes. Just to say even if you didn't agree with me getting the tattoo, just be like, oh, that's crazy. You got to say out, because you know, in our community, if you say Nick and Dick's like the most proud shit you could say somebody. But then I was just like, well, it's this. How T-Rail actually sucks. Dicks. I've heard. But yeah, I mean, you know what it is, though? It's like it's a culture that exists around this whole little like extended no jumper podcast universe in which anyone who takes anything seriously at all, anyone who displays any level of passion or commitment is just hounded and mocked. And like, like I'll give you an example. Like let's say that let's say that that a busy girl. OK, let's say you just like hit it off with her and you and you really liked her. And all of a sudden you guys are in a relationship. Can you imagine a world in which the people in this extended universe would actually just be respectful of it? No, they are going to find a way to devalue her to label you as some sort of pathetic simp to label her some kind of whore because they're going to find a pitcher from five years ago, her in a bathing. So, you know, it's like they just like everywhere. And it's not just it's not just them. It's just like everybody in this universe, in particular, the people who are basically reaction channels where it's like no matter what happens, they have to turn into something cynical and negative. And that's why I kind of like advise people generally speaking. Like if you have something that's really, really important to you, just kind of keep it out of public. Bring you something for yourself. Like with lunch, like I wouldn't fight with my girlfriend and let everybody on the podcast know that I was fine with my girlfriend. If I am fighting with my wife, I don't really bring that to the podcast. Let's say like my kid was having some sort of developmental problem or like was acting crazy in school or whatever. It's like I'm not going to bring that kind of stuff to the podcast because everything that you bring to the podcast, like of yourself is just going to get manipulated and used. A weaponized against you real fast. But also, I know that people are just, you know, they do and they content. A lot of these fools don't know us like that. So they're going to talk a certain way. And it's like, I don't give a fuck, bro. And that's the thing about T. Rell and like how hypocritical it is, is that the first time he came on Nojumper, he filmed it all behind the scenes and put out a vlog. And the title was first no jumper episode. Dream come true. So like this was actually his dream come true. And for the last three years, he's been forced to do nothing but ruminate on how probably the biggest mistake that he ever made in his entire life, besides not responding to the lawsuit that he got sued for millions of dollars was. Leaving no jumper. Like he would still be a relevant content creator. And instead he's toiling away in obscurity because of the fact that he left at a time where he didn't necessarily have the leverage to leave. He thought he did. And look how that worked out on him. Look, look at how being a cynical, negative psychopath worked out for him. And then I would say that me and Doar kind of come in with that T. Rell approach, like we're coming, taking this opportunity series. We're appreciative for this opportunity and we're going to go hard in the paint to try to make the platform as good as possible while we're here. And I see all these people talking shit about that. But look at T. Rell, he's, you know, the best podcaster out of that group that came from there. And he came with the approach where I'm going to learn as much as I can. I'm going to go as hard as I can. And I'm going to try to make the best content I can. And it's like, if you don't blame T. Rell for that, you can't blame, you know, Do and me for that. The whole thing with T. Rell is that it's like, I hate to do it, but I'm 50 cent and T. Rell is Lloyd Banks. And when, you know, or, or any G unit member, let's be real, like they were more powerful as a unit, not Young Buck, because he's, but I'm showing him. But like, I'm just saying, like, you know, there's such a thing as having a powerful team that creates something that is greater than the sum of its parts. And I feel like when you look at everybody on the jumper now, everybody to a certain extent gets that. And I think that when those dudes are on the channel, they really kind of like took that for granted and also started to envision themselves as being, you know, capable of being the star of the show, whether it's a D or T. Rell, they really felt like, oh, no jumper doesn't matter. And it's actually almost exactly like what's happening with Boosie and Vlad currently, except for the fact that Boosie is so much more capable of getting views and being popular on his own. And just legendary in general. I mean, honestly, I like I will bring this up right now just because I noticed this on my subscription tab. I saw the new Vlad tweet about saying, you know, the Vlad TV platform is bigger than me and anyone that's ever appeared on it, which, you know, that's a good point. I would say that's a good point. No, totally. But like right now, oh, OK, they're off. But like, I was just noticed that like AD was live prior to us getting those stream for an hour and a half with like 650 viewers. Do you think that he would have left no jumper if he was averaging 650 viewers? No, when he left, he was averaging like four, five thousand or whatever it was. Like he was going crazy. It's like caffeine deals over there. Yeah, I know. And it's like, I mean, it just feels like like people are so offended by the notion of being part of a podcast conglomerate. Even though realistically, it's like, what does no jumper hold anyone on no jumper back from doing? Everybody is able to do their own content. Doing a whole podcast on the number takes you out of your crib, including driving time for like four hours or whatever. It's like really like not that much. And it's like, but at the same time, there are so many people in this extended number universe who clearly like are not really wanted here. They wouldn't really be able to get a job. So they just have to dump all their time and energy into being reaction channels and just criticizing. And it's like, I have long since learned not to care about it. But sometimes I do kind of feel bad for the people on the platform who maybe aren't necessarily accustomed to what that looks like. Yeah, it just just irked me. I was just like, damn, man, like I ain't never said nothing negative about these guys. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, T-Roll, he had like kind of he kind of goes out of his way when he talks about no jumper. He'd be like, all them new niggas, they're not doing what we do. And what we used to do. I'm just like, bro, don't talk that competitive shit with me because, bro, like we really do this. You know, like you niggas pod for two hours twice a week. You mean you just put up 40 hours last week? Yeah, come on. Like it's a different type of situation. I don't know if they just, and I hate to like get like involved in like getting wrapped up in my ego. I'm like, nigga, do you think that I'm just, let me ask you this. I don't understand what the biggest thing about why people have such a problem with how I rock with you. I'm just like, I am a fan of the nigga. Like what is like, what is the problem? Like is it jealousy? Is it bitterness? Like what is such a big deal that Toe boy enjoys collabing with Adam 22? I think he's a fucking great podcast. But in this universe, it is so the norm to not like give anyone their flowers to not ever treat anybody like they're actually good at anything ever. So it's like something that on paper would seem like pretty obviously positive, which is like, oh, you won this contest on a live stream to be part of no jumper. Everybody on the team likes you. Everybody thinks you're talented. And then now you have a podcast with me and moose and shit like that. Like seems like a pretty like obviously positive W opportunity. And then somehow like people have to frame it as being like a negative thing. But also like in terms of you guys, like, I mean, I feel like I've always been polite to you guys. I've always been cool. I'm not trying to like stop you guys. You were literally human shield for me. And that's pretty nice. It's a different level right there. But you know, it's like all these things. It's like, you know, I don't feel like I've given you guys any reason to like, you know, be salty at me or to like not consider this a cool opportunity. But extending that to T-Rail, like when he was still on the podcast, when he did, so the podcast like same deal. Like there wasn't any like real thing that happened that made sense for them to be angry about. And that didn't stop them from like painting themselves as victims because it gave them some kind of like opportunity to create a narrative that people would latch on to. And I feel like honestly, as much as I personally don't believe in karma, the last couple of years of their life has been their karma of like, oh, when you take a person who did everything possible to help you and then you relentlessly shit on them and try to fuck up their business, it's just like very unlikely that the world is going to reward you for that. And that's why T-Rail and AD and smack in them have had the couple of years that they've had. Yeah, I think it's kind of ironic, just like one of the main points was like, oh, they, you know, no jumper paid us this and we should have been worth so much. And then they start their own platform kind of, you know, using that model. And then they're like, you know, curating all these shows. And then people are like, OK, I get some gas money and they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? You have right, my guy, like, and it's just like, oh, what are we doing here? Like, is it a co-op now because you hate no jumper or are you just going to take, you know, the same model that you're talking shit on? People have a short attention span or a short memory because like literally what happened is T-Rail did a whole episode ranting and raving about how I was only paying him $250 to do an interview or whatever the fuck it was. And then, you know, people did like the math and they were kind of like, well, shit, like if you're doing this, this, this and this and like that means that you were making like, you know, like seven grand a month or some shit to just like, you know, do a couple pieces of content or whatever it ended up being. And those interviews that he was doing weren't doing the craziest views and, you know, 40 KV out of a certain point that was around there. Yeah, I mean, I was like, I was going to stop doing that either way. But then like the people pointed it out of like, well, you know, you guys aren't really paying anybody, right? Like, you don't pay for interviews. You're not like paying anybody who's like on your platform consistently, etc. And like, obviously, they've just had such a reality check over the last couple years of like, well, you can't even pay Keem. You can't even like, you couldn't even pay Mac Web. You couldn't even pay like a single soul. Keep Trevor up there. You know, he got back from Empire and dipped from the whole city. And then they just go for like the lowest hanging fruit. Then it's he over there up underneath the white man. And then that's like, so nice. That's a nauseating narrative. That's like the normie narrative, though. It's like, you know, Adam, the, you know, the guy, you know, benefiting off of gang culture and LA and all these black people. And that's like always like, even when the girl came to the host competition, she's like, I respect everything you do. But I think you're a slave owner or something. It's like, how are those two things like Adam? He's like this like narrative that's just out there. And I was like, so, you know, I paid people to do a job on the podcast platform. I pay them for that labor. Whereas like a slave is somebody who's like bought and sold and they don't have the opportunity to leave. And so I'm like, so, so how am I like a slave owner? It feels a lot more like I'm just like a business owner. It's just so easy. It's just like deer in the headlights. Like she had not considered that I might say that at all. And I almost felt bad for just like immediately just like rendering her entire argument useless. And she starts kind of like relianting and being like, well, I do like the platform. Yeah. That was a little weird. But shout out to her. Yeah. But that is pretty dope just because like you would think that being a white guy and being called like a slave owner would be like a pretty bad outcome. But in that moment, it was like, well, you gotta have a little evidence. You gotta have a couple of bullet points to back it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People just be saying that. And that's what I learned to from that with that shit with Uncle Mike. Now, sometimes people just be saying shit. You just gotta just especially during a 24 hour stream, you literally have to say shit. You know, man, I just, I don't know. Like some the main thing with me and uncle is like, I recognize that he's talented and that he has an ability to maintain an audience and that there is an audience for what he does. But at the same time, I feel like if I were to do more than like a couple hours of podcasting with him throughout the course of the average month, that I might actually have to put the chrome to my dome. Punch him in the face at least once. No, I'm not going to hurt him. I will take my own life before I hurt him. He just like, I would, there were so many times around the podcast where I felt like we were having like a pretty decent discussion and getting into something and really maybe he deserves some of the blame for like the fact that we just talked about being gay the whole time, which he was also one of the people talking about people being gay and accused of being gay. But on his mind a lot. But it was just like he would just like just say the most ridiculous nonsensical thing ever. And then we would just be like, fuck, like you just ruined it. Like he's had a whole conversation. He was ad liban. I think I've diagnosed it. I think what he does is he gets really caught up in that character and he doesn't know when to rain it back a little bit. But you know what it is too is that he can't stand not being all up in the mix. So if you start talking about something that he doesn't like feel like he can really engage with, then he'll just start like dancing or like doing the weird thing or like looking at the sky. That's literally what he did when I talked about something. He's like, he's just literally like shuts down. They're like, yo, what's up with you, honk? He's like, y'all talking about something that I don't know about. I don't give a fuck about. He'll go off and make it about God. God in the gaze. He put on some headphones or just listen to music. Like think about some of his arguments. He was trying to convince us of like, like if you have sex with a woman that shows that you don't really respect her. Like, and I'm sure I want to hear that argument for like 24 hours. Very feminist. Right. He was all over the place. He was like, I'm not having sex for you and there's no wrong and no right. But then you get it because we bring all the girls on the podcast and like they are kind of into it. They're kind of like, oh, wow, like, he has such a good point. And I'm just looking at the girls like, oh, this is why nobody respects one. This is why pimps exist. I respect women. But most of y'all know. Yeah, he was going hard on Astro too, saying she was like a hoe and all this shit. Oh, that's the one. You didn't even see that part. It was when he pulled his pants down and started yelling and banging on the table. What? That's when I was giving him that bow. And that was a little weird. What are you doing? I watched that. He was yelling at her and pulled his pants down and was just and she wasn't even talking about sex. Like, all you want to do is talk about sex. Look how you dress. I was just like, bro, calm down. Yeah, the drawers on the thighs was kind of crazy. Astro is hot. She is. Yeah, like somebody stand on business for Astro. That's home, grow man. I would have clearly killed him on her behalf. Ripped his arms off for Astro. She told me that she loves eating man. That's crazy. She said I'm a eater. I said and that every guy that she hooks up with, she wants to eat their ass. Wow. I was like, you are dirty. That's a down high. Now, I'm actually rooting for lush. I feel like lush deserves an Astrid. Don't put that on. Please. I think lush deserves to have his poop deck swapped. Hypothetically. No, no, don't listen to this. Jerm, he already has enough issues. We're not going to listen to him. Jerm, no, be cool. Be cool. Let it happen. Stand on business, Jerm. I just went when Astrid said that, like if I was a single man, I would have been like, OK, you are employed. I thought she said that. I looked, I was like, oh, yeah. A bunch of booty holes on your mouth, though. And then you know, you're going to cuff her up. I just want she said that I was just like, oh, like it was that was just like would you cuff her up? I'm saying you're single and she tells that tale. That's like even as a man who, you know, if I were to be single, we probably end up in a relationship with a porn star. Something about a girl just like bragging about willingness. That's the issue. Yeah, the willingness is the issue every. Do you like a matter of the butthole? Like you got to have some type of evaluation and like a checklist. I like a selective buddy. Exactly. Because he and everybody else. Yeah. Everybody don't eat right. OK, well, what have you were seeing a girl and she was the love of your life and then you found out she fucked lush? Oh, I'd have to break up with her. Why do you? You might be the biggest red flag. You know, I can't. Because there's another lush that's going to come about at some point and she's going to cheat on me with. Say it was 10 years ago. Oh, well, if I found out that she smashed him 10 years ago. Yeah, maybe when lush had some money, you know, post chief key deal, Lusher, maybe I'll got money. Yeah, then maybe I'll accept it. But if it's like, you know, Jade out lush, it's all bad. The one that doesn't net, like I'm not fucking. Yeah, I don't know if I want to live in a world where I'm smashing a chick that I know lush and that's not just. You just hear his laugh like in the background as you're hitting, like, you know, his raspy voice. No, I'm good. Yeah, Lush is disgusting. Just kidding, Lush. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I feel like part of my like ethos is that like, I feel like I don't want to care about anything that a girl has done in the past. That being said, clearly there's there's a couple of lines. Are you all the type to ask a girl or body count? Not body count, but you could kind of just tell by talking to a woman if she's like, you know, been around or not, you know, or the extent to which she has. I feel like I just don't want to know. I never asked that question. It's not something I'm just like, let's you fuck some of my home. He's like, oh, yeah, that's a little. I don't ever want to be in a room with somebody and smash my chick. I'll be like, and they're just like, I least give him a side hug and shit. Yeah, you dirty motherfucker. Like when I first got with Lena, I didn't want to know about body count. I just said, I need to know any famous person you fucked and anyone that I know that you fucked. And you feel like she was truthful. Yeah, 10 years later, I think. I think so. But I mean, I just, you know, I just I don't want to be because it's like if somebody else has to be the reason why I found like, if you tell me right now, I'm not going to care. But if I have to find out through somebody else, this is going to be a problem. Yeah, that means everybody's like laughing at you and shit. And like, yeah, no, for sure. You got to stand on the outside of an inside joke. I don't like that. That'd be all bad. Not with your high now. Definitely. So, OK, before we before we talk about the moose, whack epidemic, I would like to kind of acknowledge that I feel like, you know, the 24 hours stream is probably like a pretty good excuse for it and everything. We kind of haven't done like a real podcast in like two weeks. But it feels like we kind of are losing sight of the original mission of this podcast because we did not preempt any topics really. And like the Michael Jackson movie as much as like I had like a very limited window of when I would have been able to see it. But like that would have been such a logical thing. That's the perfect thing that we should be talking about today. And instead, we brought it up on like Sunday night instead of like, you know, Thursday night or whatever. So like that kind of stands out to me as like I do want to like kind of get focused. No, yeah, we got to keep focus on the Monday show, even through the 24 or even through the all the debacles, you know, we have to stay focused. I was thinking that too. I'm like, damn, we made no topics. And then I see you added a bunch. So I try to go through Twitter and find a couple to throw in there, too. Like we can't have nothing, you know, yeah, yeah. Just like it feels like that is what is going to separate us from the other pods right on the network. But you know, also that's kind of like a weird thing is that I feel like by doing multiple 24 hour streams in one week, that it felt like it kind of like devalues the other content in a way. True, because I spectacle of it. Well, I did notice that the no jumpers show that we recorded on Tuesday and then we released it for nonmembers on Thursday has like 64,000 views, which really stood out to me. I was like, well, that's like the lowest that I think the Tuesday show has done in like six months or like a long ass time. OK, so that did kind of make me think like, oh, OK, like maybe by absolutely flooding the timeline with all this content on Monday and Friday. And maybe we're kind of making it just like less interesting for the audience. Fatigue. Well, one's like super live. You're seeing everything right as it happens for 24 hours straight. And then they're like, OK, you give in an episode that was recorded a few days ago. Maybe the things have been spoke on a bunch on these streams. And it's just like, yeah, the interest isn't going to be as high. I think the best idea maybe just like maybe do it once a month and on a day that kind of is separate from the, you know, I'm saying that the once everything's kind of out, maybe like a Saturday or something like that. That's a way from the rest of it. Yeah. And I mean, my whole thing, too, is like, if you really look at like the real streamers out there, the Aiden Rosses and the friggin Neons, etc. All these guys. Yeah. I mean, like, what do these guys do stream wise? Well, I noticed that number one, like it doesn't feel like many of them do like stream marathon style content. Clavicular, obviously, is like the alternative to that, that he kind of like at the peak of his popularity decided to do a month straight. But like, I feel like most of these guys, knowing that the game is kind of about like getting viral clips and also like just having moments that draw in a lot of viewers from getting celebrities on there or doing things that are really interesting, etc. It does feel like the 24 hour model is just maybe like not what it used to be in the sense of like, I know that like some of our hardcore audience. And let's be really the fact that like three, four thousand people were watching this shit at like nine in the morning on fucking Saturday morning. It's pretty miraculous. But it definitely kind of stood out as like, oh, like maybe that's not the thing. That's like the ice beside an Esk fan kind of, you know, legion. It's like down to just they're down to see the shit show for as long as you guys could endure. And then, you know, there's the majority of people there on the internet that are just trying to see those clips. But the subathon kind of format is definitely burnt out. I feel like Kaisa and I just set the bar and those type of guys are just sitting there with all this production and LeBron James is showing up. It's just like, you can't just sit there and do 24 hours of time and how they expect people to be excited about it anymore. What do you think would be like the perfect amount of time stream wise? Is like eight to 12, eight to eight? I mean, on the Nojamba show, we've like almost never gone past like four or five. OK, as far as like, I mean, honestly, it's just like, do you have something that's interesting enough to justify it being that long? Right. It's kind of like the main deal. But I would say like for streamers, at least it's like definitely like eight to twelve because that's their work day pretty much every day. Excuse me. The Hassan's, the Destiny's are put in eight to twelve every day, no matter what, pretty much. Yeah. The weird thing about it, honestly, was just the fact that it didn't really take much away from my routine or my day to day life because sleeping for six hours next to Krip Mack was totally fine. You slept for a couple of hours next to me, too. You did. It was like a little jail cell. It was like three or four days. Going in and out. Right. It was weird. Like as I was going to bed, I was like looking at Krip Mack and just thinking like this is so not a big deal to him because he's spent so much of his life in prison. He was sleeping like a baby. He was out like a light. He's a cute sleeper. Well, you should let him know that. He should tell him. He's actually really cool. He's cool. I like it when I meet people that I'm a fan of and they're they exceed my expectation of how cool they are. He's cool. I was surprised to me as he's just like more together than I thought. You know, he's able to just see, you know, he knows. He's a normal guy. It's interesting you say that because he was like attacking on pretty frequently throughout the podcast. Maybe you didn't really know. Yeah, I saw those clips, but it's like as I mean, it seemed like Unk deserved it. So that's still pretty weird. He threw water on Unk when he was sleeping. He just woke up. Yeah. I was like, I don't want to split second. Then he just knocked right back out and unc slept right here. Yeah. All them peanuts. There's all the peanuts. Yeah. All the peanuts made him sleepy, I guess. There was a couple of moments where I was just like, man, just hit this. I would just like to say that. I would have fallen like, no, man, don't, don't. He was trying to. He left a bunch of peanut dust on the carpet. It was crazy. But people at home probably have no idea. Who vacuumed that up, man? They need a bonus. For real, it was hella peanuts in that moment. Yo, it was like, I can't even imagine that the vacuum would have been able to get it out. I don't know what kind of vacuum you guys got up in. It's all strength, yo. Yeah, definitely. Okay. And so I guess we also have to talk about how exactly the WAC incident went down. So at first I would like to speak on how our conversation went down in the lead up to it. I was definitely the mastermind of this idea in the sense that, you know, WAC had made it clear that he was down to do a podcast with Doughboy. I told Moose, I'm like, don't worry, just pull up. It'll be good. He's not going to do anything. I'll make sure he doesn't do anything. It'll be good. Moose pulls up. Hits WAC with like the death stare. A little bit more of an intense vibe than maybe like any of us really expected in terms of just staring at him and sort of like, you know, I forget exactly what you said, but like, you're like, I'm here. I'm here. Like I think WAC's guiding principle is really like he wants everybody to be scared of him and he wants everybody to show him respect. Yeah. And you really were not giving that in that moment. He did like go silent as soon as I came in. So I didn't really like that kind of caught me off guard. I thought it was like, we're going to kind of start yelling at each other, you know, maybe start arguing over the points that I had or he was going to yell at me for saying whatever I said, but he just kind of froze and that caught me off guard. So I'm like, I guess I'm just going to wait for, you know, whatever he has to say. And but obviously he took that wrong. You know what I mean? Man, I listen. I'm going to tell both of y'all. You're always tripping for that whole shit. And I don't feel like you're going to gas like me today. No, no, no, no, I'm not trying to gas like you. I'm telling you, I'm telling you what it really is. I feel like, yes, I knew, you know what I'm saying? That y'all was playing on. I thought maybe you knew something I didn't know, but I never felt right about it. Like Moose, I'm just being a honey. You was talking crazy. And I don't think so. No, no, no, no, but let me tell you what. But you've been representing me way different than it really was. OK, let's go. Every conversation that I had that had anything to do with, you know, turning something down or physical was people on podcasts asking me hypothetically saying, hey, Moose, I can tell you're just trying to pod. Even with you, you baited me into saying some shit. And now you're trying to turn it on me now. What do you mean? You said, you know that wax said he was going to slap the shit out you. What did you think I should say to that? No, boy, I'm just telling you what I know. But what did tell me what I should have said? I was that I was tripping by my answer. Tell me what I should have said. I'm going to tell you, you can say whatever you want to say, but I was trying to identify like, are you sure you know what you're doing? This man said he ain't playing. He said he's going to slap a shit out of you. Now, at that point, that's when you could have disengaged it and just been like, no, is this is potting. But what you did was you said, no, no, boy, I'm real. I ain't turning nothing down. Yes, because and what I meant was I'm not going to get bullied out of my opinion. Somebody can't just threaten me with violence. And I'm just going to say, well, I guess I don't have that opinion anymore. That's not what you said. But it is, it is just because I said, hey, this is real. This is my real opinion, do boy. That's what I meant. I meant that this is how I truly feel. I'm not just trying to rage bait whack. Everything I said, 95% of the shit that I ever spoke on whack was, hey, I don't want no beef or whack. I have these criticisms of how he operates. And then people would say, hey, I know how whack is, you know, his demeanor, you know, how he tries to bully people. What if he punches you? What if he slaps you? What am I supposed to do? Tell them I'm going to ball up? You know, it's like, I said, no, I guess we're going to fight. That's just what it is. If that's what the energy brings. But he threw a water bottle at me. He yelled at me. That wasn't enough for me to crash out and ruin my opportunity. And I don't think that's that crazy, but I'm not going to get gaslit into like saying, I'm going to pull up and beat up whack. That was never the energy and nobody could ever convince me of that. However you want to think that it came off and you said it is fine. But I'm just telling you what my perception of it was. I was just trying to get clarity of how you felt about it. And then the energy that you gave was, no, no, boy, this is real. So it's almost like you were separating. Like, no, this isn't an act. No, this ain't no part. Yes, I'm not turning nothing down. That's what you said. Yes, because I'm not going to just turn down because whack is yelling at me and trying to bully me. But when he was in your face, you turned down and you did everything that you said that you weren't going to do. No, because he didn't punch me. He didn't slap me. He threw a water bottle and yelled at me. And I'm just, I'm going to say, hey, I'm going to defuse the situation. I'm not going to escalate the situation. I'm trying to base this off logic and reason in that moment. He did what whack did. Whack was yelling. So he yelled back. It's like, you know, whack didn't punch him. If he punched, if he punched Moose in the face and Moose curled up in a ball and whatever, then like, OK, then people would have a point. But like, you did the same thing that whack did, except you weren't the aggressor. And there's nothing that I said. I never said I would when I see whack, I'm going to do this. The you guys keep trying to paint me as if I was saying like, I'm going to get whack. When I see him know that whack is unreasonable in this situation, no matter how you try to spin it. And when he had the conversation with Adam, it was the same thing. He had to find reasons. He had to say that I'm Mexican. He had to say he had beef with. He had to say his homies kill Mexicans. He had to go on this racist high raid to justify him tripping on me because at the end of the day, he didn't have a good reason to. OK, what is he saying? That's wrong. I would love to know. You antagonize that man. You talk crazy about him. You didn't know him. Once he once he vocalized, he don't know you and he don't mess with you. Then at that point, you said it just left it alone. But you did what you did and you kept it going. And then niggas make it seem like he's the bad guy. Rack was not wrong in the situation. He was one thousand percent wrong in that situation. OK, he wasn't until I until I say when I see whack, I'm going to slap the shit out of him. I never said that. I said I was criticizing whack. And even when I said that we both work with the police thing, people trying to get on me for that, it was because he did the thing with the badge. And then he said, oh, well, my brother's a cop. This is just a buddy badge. That's what I was saying is that if somebody's going to threaten my life and say I'm going to put $1,500 on your head over an opinion, then I'm going to say, hey, I guess I'm going to call the police then. You know, saying that that is past podcast and that's past even fighting. That's saying you're going to get one of your homies to kill me over an opinion. And that's not reasonable. There's no way you could spend that to be reasonable. And my whole thing is like if we're talking about right and wrong, right, it is wrong and it is also disrespectful to me to jump out of your seat and try to fight a fellow podcaster. Now, the thing that might be able to happen that would be able to justify jumping out of your seat to fight a podcaster is maybe if you guys had beef that was really, really serious or if blood had been shed or if like really direct threats had been made, or maybe if Moose Man presented himself like he was like some scary gang member or some shit like that, which from my perspective, absolutely none of those criteria is met. So from my perspective, I don't understand how anybody could ever sit there and say that whack was in the right when Moose Man came peacefully, clearly was intending to have a podcast and then whack jumped out of his seat screaming. And, you know, seemingly was going to fight him if I wasn't standing between him or if it didn't get broken up. Like I don't understand the mental gymnastics that you have to do to be able to present whack as if he's in the right in this situation. So you said, do you got a problem? I said, no, whack, I'm here to podcast. Yeah. What does that mean? As if it wasn't already the literal. So honest question, honest question. If there was somebody that you genuinely did not like, whoever that person is in your head, put that person in your head, you don't even have to tell me what it Yeah. If you did not like this person and if whack came to you and said, hey, I want to bring this person and show like, and you told him like on some, but not on no camera shit. And you told him, no, I don't fuck with dude. I'm not fucking with him. And like, I really got a problem with this guy. Yeah. And then he brings him up here anyway. You know, I would have done. I would have calmly asked him to leave. OK. What you. So you explained to me why Wax route that he took is anyway justifiable because you can pair as a decommely asking him to leave, which if Wack had said, listen, Moose, I don't fuck with you. Adam, I respect for your building, but I would like to ask you to leave. Now it would have been like, hey, here's your show. You want that right? No, I just think that you can't ever really judge the reaction on how somebody after sure you can. That is the biggest cop out there. No, because if you slap somebody and they shoot, no, no, no, I'm just giving a different example. If you slap somebody and then they shoot your ass, somebody could be like, that's an extreme overreaction against slap. Well, maybe you shouldn't slap them, but you're going to go to prison for murder. I'm just giving an example of you can't tell somebody how to react. I know. But in society, we absolutely do because there's laws that we say, hey, you can't react this way. It has to match the level of force. That did not match the level of force when I'm saying I'm trying to do a podcast with you, and now you're saying I'm going to put $1,500 on your head to get you killed. But I think if somebody tells you reasonable to have this stance, I'm very reasonable. But what I'm saying is if a man, I'm not in your judgment, right? If a man tell you he don't fuck with you and he don't want to rock with you and then you still pull up, you pull the ball. He don't like I said in the other podcast, y'all don't know each other. He don't know if you plan. Adam knows Adam knows. You talk about Adam. I'm talking about Adam's not going to bring somebody in that's going to kill whack on the podcast. I wouldn't have done that with Comparator, which you haven't been around for a while. But like Comparator and him have that low actual neighborhood beef where like, you know, and Comparator came on here and said a term that this is wax. I know, I know that is something that I wouldn't have done because as much as I don't think Comparator is some killer or whatever. It's like that's a serious, serious beef. That's real shit. This was not that this was podcast because he kept saying non-affiliate doesn't mean anything. He can harm me. Adam knows me. Adam knows that I'm not on that. Adam, he has that low of an opinion of Adam that he thinks that Adam would bring a Mexican in here to try to crash out on him, try to harm him, try to kill him. Well, no, I just, the way that I look at it was that he made his stance very vocal. Niggas ran that red light anyway. So that justifies anything? I'm not saying that just for, I'm just saying that I don't think he was, now how his reaction and whatever his reaction is, you can have whatever judgment you want to have on that. Okay, that is what that's a different conversation. But do I feel like he was wrong in this situation? Absolutely not. So is so is Wack wrong for popping up on like Spodey face with his ops? Because if Wack never did nothing like this, I would understand. But I think the thing that enraged him most is that he was the play now. And he wasn't the playmaker. I think that's what really enraged and that I'm Mexican. I think those were the two main points was he wasn't in on it, but he knew that I wasn't a threat. And then he was going to make an example out of me by turning up, going crazy. I just don't understand how anybody could have the attitude or opinion that what Wack did wasn't wrong. And Wack wants a pat on the back because he didn't punch him in the face, which OK, I do appreciate that. Thank you. However, jumping out of your seat and screaming and knocking over the cameras and like all this is just like how in what world could that ever be considered a reasonable response to what actually happened, which is a non-affiliate who is in no way a threat who clearly does not have any intention of harming you. Who clearly, if you were to start fighting him, obviously, I think, you know, if we were betting men that we would probably put money on Wack to win, right? He's definitely got more faith in me. I don't want to offend you. I had a guess. But that seems good to me. Not a threat in any way. I just don't understand how any thinking sentient being could possibly have the opinion that Wack doing that is OK. In fact, I feel like if we were to pull a thousand people who don't know Wack 100 and ask them what they think about that situation, that you would probably struggle to find one person who would say that the person who jumped out of their seat and was threatening to beat up the other guy is not in the wrong. Well, I just think that to quantify. I feel like you're doing mental gymnastics because you want to stay on Wack's good. I don't. I have so much more of a reason to stay on Wack's good side. And I still have to come on here and say what's right. You can't be honest about people that he likes. It's not it's not even about it. Why every time I give my people people think I'm like Dick. Right. Because it's not it's not making logical sense. That's why I'm not compromised. I just know that he said what he said. And then the situation went how went. And I just don't feel like it was even when you just said right there, doesn't really address the fact that like trying to find somebody in a workplace who's in no way at that to you is just really, really inappropriate. And face to face, he said, do you have a problem? I said, no, Wack, I'm here to criticize your podcast. I think the easier way to find a landing point would be just to find wherever you would feel disrespected and then take that logic of it. And if you felt disrespected, what would you die of? You're probably not going to react like a really, really good example is. So there's this guy who's like a prolific Twitter troll who posts like a lot of fake news and a lot of stuff is Dom Lucre. A lot of people are like way too on Twitter know who this guy is. And at one point, a couple of years ago, he took a screenshot of my wife's TikTok where she was getting ready for Halloween with me and she was breastfeeding her kid. And it's a whole TikTok with all these little clips or whatever. And there's like a one second clip of her and I and we're wearing like Sesame Street makeup and she's breastfeeding our kid. OK. And when this came out, zero percent of the people who saw it thought that it was offensive in any way. It was just like some regular ass parent shit. And so this dude screenshoted that one part with the breastfeeding and posted on Twitter and said that my wife was selling this porn in which she was she was breastfeeding her daughter on her only fans. Now, to anybody who's even thought about this for more than a few seconds, only fans obviously doesn't allow you to sell any content or post any content involving children in any way. And this content was removed from YouTube for disinformation because it was not true. Now, I was doing a podcast with a couple of guys and they brought this dude with them and they allegedly didn't know that I had this issue with this guy because I never even talked about it publicly. Well, I guess I did talk about it on here, but not not in like extreme depth or whatever. Or nothing. A lot of people like probably didn't know about it, whatever. So I walk in here and he's sitting there and actually posted the clip on Twitter a couple of weeks ago. But I say to him, I go, what's your name? Sugar's hand. He said his name immediately. It kind of clicks in my head and I'm like, wait, that's you. And he's like, yeah. And I said, OK, I would like to ask you to leave. And that's a much more heinous. Yeah, that guy did something that is so much worse than what Moose Van did. And yet somehow and granted, I am the owner of the building. So it kind of like makes sense. And, you know, I've been sued in recent memory for violence taking place at my office. But I was able to summon what I thought was a very, very mature reaction towards somebody who I would like to hurt in a physical. And if WAC said that, I would say, hey, man, you got it. I'm not going to push the issue. I see that WAC is not playing. You did offer to you did offer to leave. Yeah, because he said, get your BS out of here. So I said, you know, if you want me to leave WAC, I'll leave, man. But I'm not going to fight you in the office. You know, I'm not going to fight you. I know jumper right now when you got, you know, dudes pulling up saying, you know, we violate people to me as soon as I walk out of the podcast. So it's like, obviously, I was going to be the next J. Reed Alley victim, you know what I'm saying? And I'm not going to expose myself to that if I don't have to. I'm going to defuse the situation so I could, you know, the person is in the wrong. Is always going to be the person who, you know, tries to be violent in the workplace, in the face of things that are not worthy of violence. Now, if Moose Man had said, when I see WAC, I might just kill him because that's how he's trying to make it. And then WAC did what he did. OK, boom, I get that. That makes sense. Never did I ever say nothing. Then Moose seems like an imminent threat and you're allowed to like do whatever you want. And it just wasn't even close to that. And the weird thing about it is that I feel like WAC has so many yes men in his life that are willing to tell him that he didn't do anything wrong that to him, I'm the only person who's willing to say that what he did was wrong. And to me, that is just unthinkable. There is absolutely no world in what in which what he did could be considered acceptable. But do you have about this? Happy medium split the baby. Do you at least admit that you played a part in his reaction, at least a small part in the way he reacted? I think I created a scenario that was supposed to kind of trigger him. But in no way do I think that his reaction was an appropriately sized reaction. And that's fair. There was there was there was a little bit that could have been differently on this side. A little bit different that could be. And I was like so charitable to WAC after when we sat down, I'm like, hey, man, I see what you're saying. I could have called you right away. You know what I'm saying? I could have hit you direct line. I was very charitable. I wasn't like, no, you're so wrong. But it's like at the end of the day, bro, you're talking about putting $1,500 on my head over a fucking podcast. And even like, I never said, yo, when I see WAC, I'm a get them. I'm a get them. It's like, yo, you know that WAC is pretty unreasonable at times. This was podcasts I'm sitting on. If he gets at you that way when you're just trying to voice your opinion, what's going to happen? I guess we're going to fight. Yeah, we're going to fight. But that's another thing that he was saying when he was here, though, like, if you don't know somebody, you don't know how far we talk on people. They don't know every single day. No, you don't. We go through the topics. So we're going to say that if you don't know somebody, you don't know how far they're willing to take it. You don't know how irrational they are. That's what I get. Yeah. Yeah. If you want, if you kill people over podcast opinions, that yeah, you scare me. I promise you that he got it. Dumb shit every day. I get that. But are those reasonable, normal people, Doe Boy? No, but that's the point of what it was saying. If you don't know a person, you don't know what you don't know. Spody and you was talking about catching up fate with them. But disrespect them. Yes. Spody pulled up to the news that the next day and was saying, where's Doe Boy without his glasses on? Right. OK. And I talked to Spody. Me and Spody have talked. Exactly. And he was reasonable. Right. The whack is not reasonable. That's my whole thing is this is not reasonable. All right. Agree to disagree. Yeah. But you can't really still agree with what you were originally saying. Right. No, I see what you say. That's the thing in the conversation. I can hear what you're saying to be like, you know what? I see what you're saying. I can see how a logical person in the moment. OK, cool. I can also see that. Had this situation not been created, he probably wouldn't have reacted like that. So I can see both sides of it. And if Whack didn't run, you just argue like I hear what you're saying. If Whack didn't run plays, I would have way more sympathy. If the whack was just like, you know, not popping up with people on podcasts the same exact way, I would understand. But when Adam brought that up, he just said he was going to knock Adam out too. And that just shows the, you know, level of unreasonableness. I think that we're dealing with. And, you know, got it. I won't criticize him if he's willing to put $15 on my head. Oh, that's all good. I was like, and I know, and like ultimately keeping you away from Whack is like whatever, because we're used to it. Everybody stays away from Whack. We already have this. We have this policy for like the vast majority of the Doge upper host that we have to avoid them being anywhere near Whack. And, you know, so that's not really like anything new. But like when we're on the phone, like early in the morning on Saturday, we had just this insane conversation where he's saying like, Adam, if I wanted to hit Moose, you couldn't stop me. I think that's true. And I said, it's probably true. Most definitely. I'm like, but I did stop you or like, but you did stop. And he's like, well, you couldn't have stopped me if you wanted to. And I said, but, but you stopped. And it felt like I was the only reason that you stopped was like out of respect for me or whatever. The respect, not because he thought you're a tough opponent. It's because he has respect for Adam. And this is my weird thing. The whole thing too is that it's like, all right. So like Lil John and a fucking baby, Cupid and Rob are like Whack affiliates that anybody who's like really knows about Whack knows who they are. These are serious dudes. Yeah. They came up to me after the pod. They say, Hey, man, you know, we really violate people. Then they seen Whack. Whack was chill with me at that point. Obviously, he doesn't fuck with me still, but he was like those guys that it wouldn't be beneath them to fucking beat you up for something that you said on a podcast, like as if Whack couldn't handle that duty. Yeah, I think as if there needed to be a bunch more guys here to help take part. I mean, it's just like, it's just so silly. And I feel like I'm being asked by people to like have a lot more sympathy for that viewpoint than I'm willing to actually have. Because again, like I try to be as logical and reasonable as possible. And to me, ultimately, the person in the wrong is the person who starts the fight, not the person who talked shit that maybe led to the fight. And listen, people are afraid to fight wherever the fuck they want all over the world. It's just at no jumper. You're not allowed to fight anybody. And if you do, you're probably never going to be asked back. And with the whole Whack situation, it's like, I guess he didn't actually do it. So it's like, we can't really be like that mad about it. But like, obviously, he came very close in that moment to like, oh, OK, we're never going to do another podcast again, because I can't trust you to be in my building. Well, and the more you explain it, like I do see your logic in it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, because you know, there are people in the building that do have serious problems with each other, and you didn't perceive this as one of those. So in that sense, I can, you know, cut your looks like about, yeah, I can see that you didn't think it was going to go there. You know what I'm saying? But then it shouldn't. Yeah. But I'm glad. But one thing I can say, if there is a silver lining, I'm glad that even through all of it, through the whole yelling, through the bottle, getting thrown through all of that, we were able to sit down. We were able to pot. They were able to chop it up. Yeah, that's why I said I don't know why he still doesn't like me, because he seemed like he shook my hand. You know, so that's how growth for everybody. And my level of trust that the situation was under control was strong enough that I left before the podcast was even over. And we sat there for another 30, 45. Yeah, I was so certain that it was going to be fine that I just left and like went home because I had to go. I forget what I was doing Thursday night. I think it was something that was just kind of got lectured by WAC for the rest of the pod, which was fine. You know, I could tell that he was not willing. He did not want to debate anymore. He was not on that. I could see the energy that he was bringing. So it was just, you know, defuse the situation, let WAC get his shit off. I get it, man. You know, that was what I was talking about. That was on that, like at the end of it, they could sit down as men. But he said he still don't want to be around me, so much I don't get because I told him, you know, it's all good, man. I hear you. It's weird how they're coming together. And now you got another op. No, no, no, we're not going to talk about him. We're not going to talk about just a random bomb that's trying to get some cloud off my name. Is it a Mexican game number? No, no, it's a roach. I would say. Oh, that one. Yeah. I don't even know why that happened. But I guess, oh, he is the one that messaged me and told me to not fuck with you. And we were cool before that, which was weird. That's why we're having issues, because I was had no issue with him before that message was sent. Telling somebody not to hire somebody is crazy work. Yeah, when we're supposed to be cool and all I've ever done is try to help that fool out. You know, I did it all the time. But it's all good. You did it all the time? I mean, here. And I got disowned by the no paperwork pod. They said I can't come back because I said I got 911 on speed dial. What Instagram account was that posted on? Because I would like to watch. I think they they did. They said on their pod or they be doing like a I'm not sure they did it on like a sometimes they do kind of the split screen YouTube collab kind of stream off their phones. Or it looks like maybe and they said, I'm not welcome back, which is all good. You know, there's got to be a I mean, these are like prison dudes. So it's like, I understand. But when I said I work with the police because all these Mexican fools are tripping on me was me. Saying if you're willing to kill me over a podcast opinion, yes, I will call the police. That was the extent in which I work with the police. I have actually never called the police in my life. Believe it or not, guys, you know, but at this point in my life at 31, I'm not willing to die over a podcast opinion. So if you're willing to take it to that over me just having an opinion on a podcast, yes. I have to employ the police because I'm not sliding on people that are still in my car like doughboys, you know, the was Spodey. It's like, I'm not, you know, if somebody harms my mama, I'm not going to slide around the hood looking for him. You know what I mean? It's just like this one. That's like, it's important to let everybody know that you will call the cops. Like from my perspective as well, because it's like that kind of stops a lot of street dudes in their tracks when they realize like, oh, this guy is going to like think about the push. I see a Gucci thing. Push. I see would not have done that to Gucci if he thought that Gucci was going to talk to the cops. The fact that he did, I understand, was very, very upsetting to push. I see. But like if Gucci, like, you know, Gucci has something to lose by saying they would call it cuts. I have nothing to lose because I'm not a proclaimed gang member. So I make it clear all the time. Like, yeah, if you if you pull up on me, then I'm going to do what I have to do. But then I'm also going to tell the cops every single thing that I know about the situation. And I have absolutely no shame about that. And I have absolutely nothing against the police at all. If anything, I think that they are criminally underfunded and there should be more cops on the street. Yeah. Oh, maybe you might be a little too left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know about that one. Got that far. But shout out to the police. The good police officers out there, man, protecting the streets. And we were to comb through your internet history. Would we find any abolished the police message? No, no, I was never on the ball. The police and more like come maybe retraining them some stuff, maybe some psychiatric evaluations here and there. But I was never on the ballish the police. That's not me. Interesting. But but when you said 911 on speed, that was like my last little. I had to get that. I knew that this was the moment. It's like this is the time, you know, it's like at the end of the day, I'm a content creator. You know, I'm at no jumper. I'm trying to be rookie of the year. That was the last time where it's like, if I say anything that's kind of funny style after this, he might actually suck me. So I got to get this bar off real quick. And that's kind of the highlight of the cliff. And I say this on camera because I said this in your off camera. So I don't want you to think I'm one of them fake dudes. I respect you for showing up like that took some balls. Yeah, I showed up by myself. If you showed up. I was on bullshit. I was going to put a bunch of Mexicans like he thinks I roll around. Everybody wouldn't have done that. So I show up by myself, man, to talk to the guy, but it went south. So it's all good. It happens. We did it. I mean, ultimately, nobody was harmed. Nobody was harmed. One of the camera stands. I caught a water bottle, half full water bottle. Did it hurt? The bottle hurt. It was to the arm. The adrenaline was kind of rushing, so I didn't really feel it. I said she is to the to the forearm. Yeah, it's all good. You know, I'll take it for one point for a million views. So I'm just like counting this, just the universe, God and everything that the other guys weren't there when that happened. Because I think if the other two guys were there when that happened, I think that would have been a different situation. I mean, it would have been respectful of my building as well, especially given the fact that, like, obviously, they just weren't needed in any way. There was no threat. Right. There was just no, there was just no reason for Wack to lash out the way that he did. It was just very outrageous if you ask me, but whatever. And I, yeah, I'm not going to get into what I've seen the overall opinion of the people be. But yeah, I'll say it's like 70 percent Wack was tripping 30 percent moves got marked out, which is fine. I'll take it. I'll take the percentages. You're going to take the 11. I don't really understand what like BFD's anti moose standpoint is on this. It's that because they got tied up in there's like some kind of anti no paperwork pod reactors, you know, from other gangs and stuff that were making videos like, oh, look at this guy that's goes on no paperwork pod saying he works with the police and they fell into that trap. But all I did was ever, you know, shine light on no paperwork pod and shot the BFD interview to Adam, which he probably would have never done before. So I mean, am I tripping off that? Shout out to those guys best selected him. But it's like, man, it's like, I made them look good, not the other way around. For sure. OK, so this is the main topic that I feel like is worth our oxygen today, which is the slow. I don't want to call it destruction, but the slow impending I don't want to say downfall. Vlad TV has been going through some growing pains. I think everybody's familiar with the situation with Boussi at this point, where Boussi basically asked him to adjust his pay from 25,000 to 35,000. WAC or Vlad's attitude is basically that he was making about thirty five thousand dollars from the average interview that he would do with Boussi. His response was, I can't give you thirty five thousand dollars because that's going to basically mean that I'm breaking even on interviewing Boussi. He tried to offer Boussi an additional or I think Boussi was trying to get an additional five case, so they would meet at thirty. Vlad basically said, bro, like if you're just going to nickel and dime me and try to get every last dollar out of me to the point where I'm not really like earning a satisfactory rate, then I'm just going to have to say no thanks, especially when you consider that Vlad was doing all of these in person. So you'd have to actually fly all the way out to Atlanta, get hotels, etc. You know, that's like many, many, many thousands of dollars of additional expenses and whatnot. So Vlad at first was being very, very polite about it. As time has gone by, you're starting to kind of see Boussi getting a little bit more offended by the tone that Vlad has been taking with it, especially. I don't need you kind of tone. Yeah, you know, Vlad is like just continued to talk about it. At length. And, you know, it seems like Boussi doesn't really appreciate that at a certain point now, I haven't actually got a chance to watch it yet, but I want to. Boussi put out an entire interview on Patreon. Yeah. Now, there are no clips that have actually made their way to his YouTube channel yet, but we have seen the scenario that Vlad oftentimes tries to avoid in which nearly every notable moment from the Boussi Patreon has now made its way to the Instagram accounts and the Twitter accounts. Oh, where they are. He ripped it. All the rippers ripped it. Exactly. And so what Vlad quite often does, because he's had to do this so many times over the years is basically like if he has, let's say there's 30 clips from the Boussi interview, let's say the first four are really, really viral. Things that he knows will spread aggressively on different pages or whatever. He won't put it out for members. He'll drop those four clips, then he'll put out the whole thing for members. And that way he knows those people will just rip it and then take all the traffic. And also, if you've ever watched a Vlad interview in which he kind of like awkwardly like goes right into like the most viral. Yeah. There's no, quite often there's no small talk. Right to the thing. We got to get to the clips that I'm going to get out first. Right. Otherwise, this is weird. So that's been going on. I haven't actually watched it yet. There is one clip that a lot of people were saying like Vlad would have edited this out and it's basically Boussi describing how in an upcoming movie of his, there's a rape scene and it sounded like it's him doing the alleged R-wording Boussi. All right. Now I got to play for you guys. You got to hear Boussi talk about it because it's kind of awkward. Yeah. I saw the Vlad tweet about the Patri on interview and he's like, you know, Boussi's running into all the same stuff I've ran into. He's got to, you know, start focusing on dropping fire content for years and years to build up a fan base. So he was definitely going in on Boussi lately. And let's also point out before you watch this, as much as I would assume that the allegations are not true. Boussi did have a girl come out a couple of weeks ago and basically say that Boussi R-worded her. Oh, I did see that. Yeah. When she was very young. We haven't really heard any updates on that. He denounced it and then it just kind of went away. Right. Boussi claims that he is actually like suing her. But either way, Boussi sort of explains this movie scene here. And to say that this is awkward is probably an understatement. But let's check this out. In that, that might get a lot of, well, we'll get a lot. I got like a like a rape scene in there. Boussi, you got to rape the music. Hold on. Let me explain. Let me explain it. For fuck up. It's not really a rape scene. It's like my, my, my best friend fucking my wife. And so I'm a go. Put something in his wife drink. His fiance drink. Yeah. And she gonna pass out and I'm gonna. What do you say? Great. Absolutely. I got my have sex. It allows you right. I'm gonna put a laundry ray on her. No kiss on about it. So, you know, but she gonna be out. But it's like, it's like sexual. Like I wouldn't call it. It's not aggravated. I wouldn't call it aggravated. I would call it a sexual misdemeanor. Something like that. A sexual misdemeanor. Sexual misdemeanor. Misdemeanor. Yeah. Cause it's not, it's not that kind of rape. It's like, you know, when you say, I didn't put no stuff on. So I wouldn't call it a, it's like a sexual misdemeanor. So for the record, if you put something in a woman's drink that makes her pass out, for sure that's rape. Non-consensual, absolutely. And for sure, if you dress her up in a nice dress, I don't even think this needs to be said, but for sure that is rape. Yeah. Now I know Bootsy's talking about something that his character in the movie does, but it does kind of stand out that maybe Vlad had been keeping the Bootsy train on the tracks. Right, right. In a way that we were sort of like undervaluing because now he's on his own platform. It seems like they forgot to set a light up, which kind of adds to, obviously the music added a lot. Yeah, like this dark energy to the clip. But it's just very strange. And the fact that there's absolutely no pushback from the person on the other side of the camera, and for the record, I've not seen it in full. Who knows, maybe he did push back a little bit. But for sure, I can imagine if Vlad was in the room that Vlad would have done a whole lot of like, okay, wait, so what? Can you explain? You know, he would have really like... Postured it differently. He would have pushed to try to get him to make sense in a way that was really lacking. Yeah, I feel like this whole thing is getting ugly too. One misstep that I think that Vlad did was when he started talking about what the number was that he was paying Bootsy. Because I don't know if you've seen this now, but Aerie Spears. Well, okay, so you're speeding now because... Yeah, we're definitely gonna get to that. But yeah, it does seem like Vlad kind of had Bootsy, like tiptoeing on the line of like crossing the line, but he was always able to be like, know where the line is because he's been doing content so long. And that's kind of what Adam was saying on the last spot. It will Bootsy find somebody to kind of be able to know that line and then know to push back when he says, yeah, this isn't our word in someone when you slip something in her drink and she ain't even know it on some Rick Ross shit. You ever notice when there's like the little cuts in different Vlad videos where it kind of feels like something has been cut out? I kind of feel like everything he said there should have been cut out. Yeah. Because it's just not even like the fact that it's a character and all this, it's the way that he's talking about it and justifying even just for your character. It's like, well, you know that, this guy did this to my wife in the movie. So obviously, obviously that can only lead you to this. Yeah. And so, you know, again, I haven't like really dug in. I honestly haven't really like seen any clips going crazy besides this one. So like, I know, oh, actually I did see one clip where he sort of denounces Gucci main a little bit and sort of makes it clear that he doesn't. That's a good clip too. Yeah. That's a, that's definitely a good clip. But the thing that's weird about it is like, so this is available for $6 on Bootsy's Patreon. If you buy it on your iPhone, it's actually $9, I believe, I noticed. And looking at it right now, and granted, this is not like a great judge of how much this content earned, but it currently has 71 likes on Patreon. It's 65 comments. And notably, you have to buy the piece of content directly for $6. So as opposed to like on Nojumper or Vlad where you pay $5 a month and that gets you access to all of the bonus content. It's just that one piece. This is for per piece. And this is like Bootsy Interview Part One. So I don't know how many parts they actually cut this. The 71 likes is not a good sign. Not a good sign. It's not like thousands and thousands of likes. Like, you know, like you said, the clips are out there already. Okay. And so this is an hour and 21 minutes that you get for $6, which to be fair, you know, it's damn near the length of a motion picture. So, you know, $6. And probably the hottest Bootsy interview and how long, you know, with this beef with Vlad and people want to hear what he's talking about. Right. But I think that if he had adopted Vlad's actual model in which Vlad records the whole piece of content and then starts dripping out piece by piece and then also had the bonus option where you could go watch it. I think that that would make a lot more sense for what he's doing because currently, you kind of just need to see the clips on Instagram or Twitter and then like sort of find the Patreon and sign up for it. So I do think that this does not seem like it's a fully optimized right now. But yeah, so what you were saying is that basically Vlad made it clear that he was paying Bootsy $25,000. Now this has opened up a whole slew of new issues for Vlad because he actually got hit up by Aries Spears. Now Aries, comedian, actor, et cetera, been working in Hollywood and whatnot for, I don't know, like 40 years or some shit like that. He's been around for a long time. And legendary. And a legendary Vlad interviewee. The amount of clips that are still circulate from five, six, seven years ago, Aries like on there. I mean, they have pirate versions of Aries Spears clips. Like it's like super legendary. It's like taking on a sort of like meme status over the last couple of years that I think like nobody was really expecting, including Aries Spears and Vlad. And so yeah, like their partnership. And I watched as Vlad kind of like manicured and sculpted the relationship with Aries because I think he saw where Aries could have the same sort of relationship with the audience that Bootsy has. The difference being Aries gets a lot less views than Bootsy, which is not really hard to fathom. Bootsy's like, you know, basically does Vlad interviews and like is extremely popular or whatever. But it's that raw and apologetic answer. You say whatever you feel. And you could talk to Aries Spears about things that you probably couldn't really talk to Bootsy about. Yeah, the gay conversation went viral with them talking about Vlad saying something wasn't gay. And Aries is like, no, you're gay. So basically as this whole conversation is taking place in the public eye about Bootsy, Aries Spears reaches out to Vlad and says, yo, we need to renegotiate. Because apparently, now we know, because Vlad actually put an hour long video of him and academics talking about this, is that basically he was paying Aries Spears $1,000 and as the years went by, it got up to $4,000. So he's actually paying him $4,000 roughly like once a month to do an interview. And I guess he lives right near Vlad's studio. That's a pretty good deal. Yeah, pretty good. Especially considering that like every other part, and Vlad loves to mention this, but like every other podcast that Aries was going on was not paying, you know, all these comedy podcasts, et cetera. They weren't paying him. For the strength, yeah. Right, and so he built up this relationship and he actually verbalized like what the approximate earn from the whole thing would be. And he said that Vlad was basically earning around the same amount. So he might make $4,000, pay Aries Spears $4,000, they would chop up the 8K. So when Aries reaches out to Vlad and says he wants to renegotiate Vlad, and I guess they had just had this conversation and it just bumped them from 3K to 4K, Vlad goes home, starts looking at his computer and basically sends over some information to Aries saying, hey, this is how much your episodes have been earning. I don't know what kind of raise you're expecting or whatever, but this is basically, it's not going to be possible for us given how much your episodes have been earning. And he also kind of acknowledged one thing that I had pointed out, which is like, Boosie was doing Vlad three times a year. He probably would have been doing it every month if he was getting out of the van. If not for the fact that he was having to spend so much on it. So Vlad was kind of in a situation where he had to wait and wait and wait and let like a bunch of really, really good topics accumulate. Then he interviews Boosie and he's able to get all these quick topics. Yeah, and so, but man, you know, I saw Vlad do something that I hadn't seen him do in a long time, which is that he went in on Aries Spears. He said, fuck Aries Spears. He said Aries Spears will never be on the same platform as him again. He said that Aries is overweight, sweaty. He did overweight. He just included these things. Like, no, like, fat, sweaty bitch. One thing that he communicated that was kind of surprising to me is that Aries, I guess is a real diva when it comes to doing this content to a certain extent. I heard that too about podcasts with him too. Like, like he would bring a towel with him because he has to sort of like blot his brow because he would be sweating. And Vlad, when he's explaining this says, you know, yeah, he's overweight, which is like kind of unnecessary, but he sort of threw that in there. And I guess one time he goes through the podcast and doesn't have his towel and he says to the guy working there, he's like, hey, do y'all have like a towel I could do this? And he tries to hand him a bunch of paper towels and he's just basically like, no, absolutely. Yeah, he's like, basically sends them on a mission to go get more, to go get a real towel or whatever. But either way, like, I was pretty surprised by this because over the years, I think I've seen Vlad sort of like learn that being egotistical when it comes to doing your podcast and getting interviews and stuff is not really like the best look for sure. It's not very valuable to you because really like, from my perspective, when me and Munchie had our flare up over me, you know, getting gate, moving his chair. Stop touching me. I was kind of proud of myself because I didn't do the thing that I have often, that maybe part of me wanted to do in that moment, which was like, go off on him, violate him, talk a bunch of shit, whatever. Instead, I avoided doing that. And, you know, within like five days, six days, whatever, I was able to sort of resuscitate the relationship because Munchie is somebody that I value doing podcasts with. And yeah, Vlad really went the opposite way with this in the sense that like, it seems pretty likely the Aries is never going to go on Vlad again at the rate that they're moving. It seems like that's just something you kind of got to read the room on with Aries. It's like, you see that he just is having his beef over negotiations and like up in Boosie, his most valuable players fucking contract. And then you're going to come from pretty much, you know, you know, one of the role players and ask him for more money when all these narratives about Vlad not doing as well, the channel not doing as well, him losing Boosie. And that's the time you go to ask for more money. I can see why him being like, oh, you got me fucked up. That's where I think the misstep on Vlad was because if you going up there and you getting what, 4,000, you find out somebody's getting 25, you like, and they trying to get 30, you like, what, they got me up to the 10. But also if I'm looking at my interviews and Boosie's doing 10X, I'm expecting to get paid 10X. But a lot of people don't like, like from Aries perspective, he views himself as kind of the main character because he sees his own feed. He sees the clips of him constantly going viral. He doesn't maybe have the algorithm that's necessarily tuned to seeing all these Boosie clips. I know for me personally, I never really ran into the Aries Spears TikTok clips. You know, like my algorithm, I guess, just operates in a different way. I hear people talk about it and I believe them, but I just don't really see it. And that's just how social media is. My girl tells me all the time about stuff that's viral that I don't really know anything about. And vice versa. She would be so stunned by me not knowing about some real trend. And I'm like, you know, I just, I don't see it. But like, she's like, when a new Taylor Swift album dropped, she's like, oh, was everybody talking about it? No jumper news. I'm like, I could ask every single person on the news, he's gonna beg us to listen. They would all let you know that they have not seen anything about it. They don't know that it's out, et cetera. So yeah, I mean. So many niches and so many worlds out there. I think this hurts Vlad though, because if Boosie's your top dog, and I think Aries is at least in his top five of people who are on there. At least we're reoccurring, very reoccurring. Vlad did, I've listed out like all the different guests that are repeat guests that do better than Aries and it was, it was like Wack, it was six, nine, it was Gilbert Arenas, it was like Tony Yeo, like it kind of says a lot that his pod with Aries Spears is so popular and that it is not probably in the top 10, or maybe it's 10. Cause all those people you named are like kind of more currently relevant and Aries Spears is just, you know, entertaining and funny, just on his own, even if he's not the most relevant character. And the total kill shot that Vlad sends out during the thing is basically that like Aries' career was like not in a great spot. He had that whole little thing with the kids, yeah. Oh, I forgot about that. That was that with the kids in there, that was a weird PDF sketch that they had with the kids. Tiffany Haddish, I think was in it too. They were helping each other. Yeah, but I mean, that's like more recent. He did talk about that, but like- He was like post-MATV type of guy. He's talking about like over the last 10 years, which I do, he basically said that like Aries hasn't had like a big movie role in like 30 years. No, for sure, yeah. Which I think the last one he said was like Jerry Brown or something. Jerry Maguire. Jerry Maguire. I've only seen him on my podcast for the last 10 years. Yeah, for sure. And so- Matt TV. But it's like unfortunate that like Aries spent a lot of time telling Vlad how relevant Vlad has made him in the sense of like, he's in Europe. And Vlad has these texts, I guess, like where he's in Europe and people are coming out of the woodwork too. You can't turn on that guy when you're sending him those type of messages. Tell Vlad, like thank you so much because your support has opened me up to a whole new audience. And now I'm in Germany and people are coming up to me and they know exactly who I am from the tip of my fingers. Yeah, that gives them all the leverage. All the leverage. And so it's kind of like, you know, like from Vlad's perspective, it's like, why am I like doing all this for you? And I was like, part of the agreement with Vlad is like, maybe you're not making the lion's share of the profit from the interview, but it's a really, really big platform that is going to allow you to grow and be recognized by bigger audiences, which is like the same reason why if Joe Rogan hit any of us up tomorrow and said, hey, I want to bring you on, we would all Vlad would have to pay Joe Rogan. Yeah, exactly. But Vlad is a YouTube spence that we're in. That's how people would do that. They'd be like, five K Joe Rogan, I'll come on. Boostie wouldn't go on Shannon Sharp because he's like, no, I do paid interviews on a work. You know, which is like. It's a very simplified version of. Like going on a sharp is really that different of an audience. I mean, probably not. Like when you're on the breakfast club and fly on all these different platforms, what is Shannon Sharp? Sure, like I get that. But like ultimately, Aries put out a lot of information to Vlad to make it clear that he considered Vlad responsible for resuscitating his career. And once you've made that clear, it's kind of tough to then play super, super hardball, especially when you consider they're getting paid for K to go do an interview for two hours. And talk 10 minutes from your house is a pretty good deal. Like almost everybody, you know, in your life would be perfectly happy. Well, let's say he feels like he resuscitated his career, but now his career is doing pretty good. You know, it was at a low point. I need to be compensated. Yeah. Now I feel like I'm a little more popping than when you found me. And yeah, you helped me, but, you know, the numbers are numbering. And I think I see what this dude's getting paid and I've been loyal to you and I'm not trying to turn my back on you, Vlad. You can't up it a little bit more. But if it's not, I mean, he's going to lose money interviewing you. Then it's like, there's pretty much no arguments as a platform owner, Adam. Do you think that now all the people that go to now interview with him are going to be using this boozy metric? Like, what am I getting? Are they all going to want more than they probably should get now? I mean, for sure. Vlad like created this environment that we're all now this hell that we're all now living in. Like you guys talk a lot about like Vlad's telling you, oh, yeah, I paid this guy this much. You know, you guys kind of price matching on guests and things like that. But Vlad was the OG of that. We do work together and there has been times where, you know, somebody asked me for X amount of dollars and I just said, you'll buy would you pay this guy and he tells me exactly what it is. And I say to the guy, like, I can't pay you that because I, you know, blah, blah, blah, I already know you got this. Well, I don't really like this as much as I can pay. And you'll know that accepted pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I can kind of like look at somebody's interview on Vlad and kind of look at the views and kind of get a general idea of how much I could afford to pay them. Like a ballpark at least. Yeah. If it was like a real coveted interview or anything like that. But I mean, the game is wild right now because like, I remember we're in Atlanta maybe like a year and a half ago and we were like trying to like line up like additional interviews just to make the trip make a little bit more sense. And it's like everybody that we hit up was trying to get paid. And I mean, Vlad was the first person as he'll gladly tell you to like really start paying guests. And now as a result, it's kind of like everybody in the game wants to get paid. Now, some people I understand, they were in Atlanta and fucking no neck. Jay was trying to get paid on one hand. It's like, bro, you need promotion. Like you need the world to see you. You are not such a big star that it makes sense for us to pay you. But also I get it because like, how are you really monetizing your existence like for somebody like like a stand up comic? OK, let's say airy Spears never got paid to do the Vlad pods. It would have made so much sense regardless for him to keep doing it because it upped his whole fucking career exposure. He's going to get anywhere. Yeah. And that's like the old school logic was people wanted to do podcasts just because they figured that the exposure would translate into money or some sort of value. And now as time goes by, you know, and I think Vlad might have said that the first person he paid was Keith D. Because it's like that's a story you need. But you know, you know, it's going to what it's going to do that. But then also the fact that like, what is Keith D. doing to monetize his existence as an elder? I don't need to be sure over here, but he did have a book. So I mean, like, OK, the old school mentality would be like, yeah, I'm going to go on Vlad and it's going to help me with my book. My book's going to sell in reality. No, people are going to watch VyTV and not going to buy your book. I don't even understand how anyway, puts out a book in the same age because to me, a book is something that you put on the shelf that looks cool. Because realistically, like, I know myself, I don't really read books anymore. I read a book every once in a while. It's like remind myself that I still have the ability to read a book. But for the most part, like, if you're somebody who's going to watch a two hour interview with Keith D. You're probably not much more into everything you need from the book. You're not going to say, oh, God, like, I really want to spend 10 more hours of my life reading this fucking book. Right. Yeah. And I'd be reading books, but I'm not reading the book about Keith D. being a part of, you know, two bucks killin or whatever. And these interviews are the bullet points. Let me just get the bullet points. Like, Vlad probably went through the book and found the best shit. And now he's asking you about it. It's like, yeah, the rest is just going to be like what you ate for breakfast that morning. But then the really damning thing is like, Brandy just put out a book and for sure, never in a million years would I read Brandy's book. But I like immediately saw every single headline or every notable thing from the book. Yeah, they always take all the quotes. Post it on pop. Relatious. Every other page, which is like, you know, if I work doing social media for no jumper and the Brandy book drops, you know, I'm probably going to tell somebody on the fucking team like, hey, go read the whole Brandy book and like just screenshot anything that is like notable and will post about it. That's not against the rules, but it definitely like removes any like my girl bought like the Britney Spears book. And I was just like, I already seen like 20 social media posts. Like I can tell you everything in that book. Yeah, we watched the rise in the fall. Like, yeah, but also I just saw 20 tweets that were going over like interesting thing that she said in the book. And I don't really think that there's anything that like could really be like learning in there that also be a pair of phrases. The book, you know, I gotta read it. Yeah, we're getting to the point where you're just going to upload the book to chat, G.B.T. and say, hey, give me the most elacious stories from this. Give me the need to know. Like imagine a boozey put out a book right now. It's like that is a decent idea. But like also you've spent the last 10 years doing all these interviews, like letting out every single thing. Right. What's going to be in this book that we haven't already heard? Yeah, maybe if it's boozey reading the book to us, you know, chapter by chapter, that could work. And a lot of them don't have the gumption to do that. Yeah, exactly. It's so difficult, you know, like I fucking yeah, I've like read scripts for videos that took like hours and hours and like, but doing that for like a book is like, oh, yeah, yeah. The voiceover stuff is like eight hours a day for five days straight. A shout out to Prodigy, though. You know, I'm saying he has the narration of his whole book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I would be pretty happy to just let the AI like. Upload your voice. I didn't hear it. Yeah, yeah. Do the heavy lifting. I mean, if it's like 85% as good as me reading it myself. But the 15% is you sounding super gay, though. Yeah. The AI sounded gay. What would you still accept that? Sure. Like it sounds very zesty at certain points, but. You really think that's how it goes? Yeah, I think so. I think that's how your book would be at least. I hope that Bootsy keeps going with the Patreon thing. Like, you know, build it up. I don't know about $6 of interview, though. Like we're paying so much for content these days. Like, but hey, I'm about that. Like, you know, if you're not getting what you feel like you were, go build it yourself. Here's the problem, too, is that when it comes to what kind of audience will pay for content. You have to curate that type of audience. There's that. But then there's also socioeconomic factors at play here. And part of the reason why, you know, if you put out a book and it's aimed at like, you know, white women in their forties, they're probably going to buy your book. New York's best seller. Bootsy is a champion to the streets. Right. And they ain't paying for books. Well, I mean, we're talking about the Patreon now, but a lot of them aren't even paying for the exclusive lab. They're waiting for the clips and watching that. A lot of people in the streets, I mean, even like YouTube feels a little antiquated to that. NBA Youngboy. They're so used to the rails and TikTok. Of the interview game, you know. So when I look at this and I mean, granted, like, it's hard to get social media engagement on Patreon posts, but like 71 likes and 65 comments, like on Joe Budden's Patreon episodes that he puts up, you will see like three to four thousand likes with like a couple thousand per post, right? Which is pretty astonishing. Honestly, like that still blows my mind that that. Curating that for eight years, you know, that's how what you get. You know, it's not like I just jumped Joe Budden jumped on there and everybody was rushing to buy it. He's been pushing that for a year or a year. And I know like exactly how much money Vlad makes off members. And this is someone who's been grinding away at that feature for five years, really pushing people towards his members feature. And it's a cool amount of money, but it definitely ain't what Bootsy thinks it is. Yeah, right. You know, that's probably what he's taken into consideration. Ask him for more. People who pay five bucks a month on Nojumper or Vlad are getting early access to like, I don't know, Nojumper. It might be like 20 interviews a month. Yeah, I'm glad it might be probably around the same. Plus today it was like two or three, I think, right? A premiere in just today. Yeah. So I mean, I don't know. I really feel like Bootsy probably like because of everything that has been said publicly is not going to be able to just stop doing this. Like he's just he's probably just not going to rekindle the relationship with Vlad or. No, I don't think so. I think ego will stop that. Unfortunately, thing two is because no matter what they do separately, I don't think they're going to duplicate what they could have did together. Well, I don't believe that. I don't think that whatever Bootsy does is going to blow out the water. What he was doing with Vlad and I don't feel like Vlad is going to find the Vlad. You think Vlad will be better off though, just because he has a system in that. But I just think that what they could have done together when they separated, like I just feel like they would have been better together. This is the better together. I completely agree. But the problem is, is that Vlad does 30 to 40 full length YouTube views per month, 30 to 40 million. And I think that like a very, very good performing Bootsy interview might be like four or five million views, which is significant. So it's still really good. Like one person. But I mean, you know, it's it's just not really like quite. Well, not 1%, but more like, you know, 10, 20%, which is kind of a lot. But I mean, it's just like it's not moving the needle like he thinks it is. Yeah, make or break for Vlad. But you do kind of like, I mean, Hardcore Vlad fans will remember the the dire times during COVID when he had his Farrakhan controversy and like Lord Jamar left and Godfrey left and there was a time period there. He was done for for a little bit. You were kind of like, damn, like is Vlad just going to fall apart? That's the only time in which Vlad has been like hounding me to do interviews. Yeah. And I was like, oh, shit, this guy needs me right now. Like, you know, I did it like whatever. I know I was getting paid or whatever. Yeah. But I like, you know, it's like it's a weird time. And it's like, hopefully this is kind of the end of this in the sense of like, hopefully there's nobody else on on Vlad's platform that's also going to chime in and be like, hey, I need $5,000 more money, more money. Yeah. I mean, hopefully for him, it's not like a concurrent thing that the ripple effect and just keeps happening. Do you think you agree with Dole Boy? That was a misstep. He I'm saying the dollar amount and just setting that bar. Yeah. Like for me personally, I find that like talking about money publicly, especially anything that makes you look good is definitely a mistake because it's just going to cause everybody to have, you know, everybody just going to push and push to get more out of you. And I could think of a moment with you on that one podcast. Like, well, a few years ago, a couple of years ago, and they said, definitely make a million a month. And it just lit the streets on fire. Yeah, I remember that. For the record, I was lying. I was exaggerating. It was also the height of COVID. Yeah, for sure. You're doing well for sure. At that moment was the most money that I had ever been making in my life. It was going quite well. If you were to ask me a year later, it would have been a much, much different. Very different answer a year later. Was that the iced coffee guys? Was that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to them. And you know what I was trying to do with that? And like I planned it out because they like all their YouTube titles at the time were like, very clickbait isolation. You know, something guy who makes fucking $400,000 a month doing this. Yeah, financial that was sucking everybody in. And I'm driving to Vegas and I'm thinking the whole time about how I'm going to have to like give them something for the for the title. And I figured, you know what? I'm going to say this. And it's like so many times in this culture, if you are of color, you're allowed to basically like rant and rave about your wealth and it will be received like very positive thing. Right. I mean, Charlemagne signed a $200 million black effect deal. Allegedly, million dollars worth of games on a hundred million dollar bar steel, barstool deal allegedly. Right. And it's like, you know, I kind of felt like, oh, I could just kind of do a similar thing. It turns out it's really just not the same when you're a white guy doing. Really? Yeah. I feel like Joe Rogan got it all, but he wasn't the one pushing it. It was like everybody else. He never from Spotify. But I feel like we all knew that about Joe Rogan. They really changed. He did. He got like many, many hundreds of millions of dollars from Spotify and everything, but he wasn't flaunting. I want to say him himself is flaunting. And so that was a different. He didn't never said it. And Joe Rogan is a one man show. Yeah. He's not paying people for interviews. It's all his home. He's coming through. Yeah. Like maybe when he signs a Spotify deal, Jamie asked for a little raise or whatever. But it's a tiny, tiny drop in the bucket. Whereas for me at that time, like, you know, literally every single person who worked for No Job or asked for a raise. Yes. And that had to be not fair to you, right? After saying that, I can't even blame him because it's like, I put that out there. And it was also it was weird because it's like, I didn't really want to tell everybody like, yo, I'm just kidding. I'm just getting him a shit for attention. I'm just saying shit. Like, yeah, right, bro. Right. When I asked for a raise, now it's all a joke. Yeah. No, that was a that was an awkward time in my life. For sure. I shouldn't have done that. But yeah, I'm a lesson. But yeah, I don't know. Best of luck to Lucy. Airy Spears. I messaged Airy Spears. I said, hey, you want to do an interview? Five thousand. But it's worth it's worth a lot. All right. It's worth more right now. No, for sure. I haven't ever had any other time. No, for sure. Did he hit you back? Not yet. OK. Airy's is funny. I like it. Oh, you forgot P. Nice. Yeah, the chance that you forgot P. Nice. One million dollars. Yeah, he might have got more than one million dollars worth of game. By the way, millions of dollars worth of game. I noticed that they're kind of switching things up. They're doing episodes without a guest. Oh, I like that. I like that. I like when they were doing that more way back. That was the original format was that's how Mona. Don't call me white girl. That's how she came. That's when I used to listen to them the most, honestly. The guests is kind of I was, you know, I want to get your take on something. What do you think about the podcast that are going in Netflix? Do you feel like that cannibalizes their audience? Total mistake. I mean, I think it's OK. If you are a podcast that is so popular that you're confident that a large chunk of your audience is going to be willing to take the leap to another platform. And if the money is so life changing that it's worth it to you to potentially lose like 80 percent of your viewership, which I do think is probably like pretty fair. As far as for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Then I mean, hey, everybody's got a number. If somebody hit me with some outrageous offer right now, I guess I would have to like kind of roll with it. But ultimately, like, I mean, for me, for act, for a lot of different people, I've had this conversation with it. Just feels like, you know, your audience is such a part of you and such a part of why it's fun to do it. And even like on the 24 hour streams, I mean, like Lush was saying it. And I completely agree that it's like there's moments where he wanted to just tap out and then he would look and see those 4,000 people watching. Sure. When you have 4,000 people watching, it just makes you feel like you're part of something. And when you have like if it was 200 people watching, I just wouldn't feel. Hey, guys, I'm going to go take a nap, you know, that King Pilf fight. Like we had like 8000 people watching. Like I didn't even want to turn the stream off to get in the car and drive home. You know, I wanted to keep the stream going on the hour drive back to the office just because I felt so lucky to have that many people like sharing the stream with us. But is that worth? You know, millions of million dollars turning that down to you. That's kind of what you have the way out. Yeah. And I mean, like from Charlemagne's perspective or whatever, I mean, they don't own the well, I guess they like own the breakfast club, IP in some way or whatever. Like a percentage at least. I don't think it was really like their choice. So it's like, you know, the parent company was like, hey, this is good. The people I feel bad for are like the Rory Molls or the Joe and Jada's even. Yeah. They're very brand new. Just to put them behind a paywall that fast. Yeah. Yeah. You got to build up those loyal fans that we even want to care. Even doing the members only content is like, it's difficult to justify it in your head because it's as much as it's like, I feel like it's an essential part of like building the business. So we just need to have that as a consistent revenue stream. It's just like, it just hurts to do one stream and cutting down the number. Yeah. You do one, you have 7000 people watching and then you go members only on the next one. You got 1000 people watching and it's like, you know, even though it like makes you feel good about the business that 1000 people were willing to pay five bucks, it's still like, I don't know, it's just the energy is different. And I think going to, I know it's like a nice thing too, but I think going to Netflix, I know it's going to sound random, but like you lose people being able to like comment on it. I think there's like a really big thing on like YouTube. People want to feel like they're thumbs up, thumbs down, you know. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a fact. But yeah, I think all the Netflix people seem like. Oh, you probably found it. I just pulled that up. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. They seem like they're all kind of, I don't want to say we're grating it, but definitely their YouTube audiences suffer in hardcore for sure. Yeah. And I noticed that they started to post like longer episodes. I don't know if it was like, like five. At first, I think there were a max and out of like four or five minutes clips. And then now I notice I'm sometimes doing longer clips. So it makes me feel like for sure behind the scenes, they know that the vibes are bad and that they need to change things up. But even beyond that, like there was a whole article that was like crowning the Breakfast Club, like the most successful podcast on the Netflix app or whatever, which I have no idea if that's actually true. That probably is true because they kind of have the most normie kind of, you know, audience, you know, they listen to them on the radio. It's not just the YouTube specific, you know, that's where your base is. So I could believe that. And the logic of it is like, and that's why I'm a patron downer. Like I just don't I would never want to move our shit. Patron, you know, I move it to members, but then they don't have to get off platform. Exactly. Platform is important. That's so much better. Because you did have it and you ended up. We had a patron, but mostly our patron thing went back in the day was just people subscribing for like Naked Girl episodes. Yeah, like the legend, some of the legendary lush episodes. Yeah, lush, spinning in Carmen Karmers mouth. That was probably the highlight of the Patreon for sure. Effectively causing her to swear off working with male porn stars. Yeah. More at that point. She was done after that. I don't know if it was related since it was like four years later, but I assume it was a clinic afterwards and then retired. Thought about it. No, definitely. OK, this is Jim Jones. I found the hell was watching this correct. And he's at Lowe's, which apparently he loves going to love. He loves it so much, which really stood out to me because I don't think I've been to Lowe's or Home Depot in like probably. I don't know if I have years. If I have to, it's Home Depot all day, though. All the Lowe's. We don't have a lot of Lowe's. I don't think we have a lot of Lowe's in Northern California like that. No, I see them out here, but Home Depot all day. Yeah, Home Depot gang. No, it was all Home Depot where I grew up. It was Home Depot's in like every different direction. Like you drive like 15 minutes in here at Home Depot. It's like a McDonald's Starbucks. I used to like actually earn a living off ceiling from Home Depot. What'd you do? Like saw blades. And you sell them on the black market? eBay. Oh, we should fire that back up. Wait, how did you steal these? How would you conceal them in this pants? Yeah, but they all had like cardboard around it or whatever. And I would just walk in there. This is before they got cameras and shit. And I would just take, you know, put like 15 of them in my waistline and just walk out and then go home and sell them all for like 30 bucks. And like that would be all like, realistically, I could do that like one time. And that would be like all the money I needed for the month. Yeah, because I like was a glory day. With my parents and shit. Stealing before cameras were invented. That's that's a good time. Yeah, definitely. All right, so let's check out Jim Jones flipping out on a Lowe's employee. Like your manager decided to take upon himself to tell me what I've done wrong. So tell the people that you you mad that I found these locks for seventy eight dollars because you're going to put the wrong price. You'll put the wrong price. You don't look at me now. You just had a lot to say. You don't have nothing to say. You're mad that I found. What's up, Doug? How you feeling? They had the price under it. And we know that all stores when you make a mistake and keep the items under the price, they have to honor it. You came over here while I was having a conversation with a nice black young lady and proceeded to say, oh, if we place our items anywhere, then that's the price. Right. That's how you treat a customer at Lowe's. Are you the manager? You said you're the manager, right? So instead of de-escalating the situation, you add a fuel to the fire. You didn't come over here with customer service. You came over here with bad service. Huh? Why? Because I'm a black man trying to do good things. Or what was it? Because I was talking to a black lady. Good things. Huh? You have nothing to say? Well, this is going right to Lowe's. For the record, Lowe's official policy explicitly says that they can refuse to sell you a mispriced item and instead offer it at the correct price or cancel the sale. Some people would never. His assumption there is false. In fact, there's this wrong. And it's also easy to understand why, because literally anyone could walk into Lowe's and take the sticker off a pack of Skittles and put it on a frigging refrigerator or a light. Yeah. Be like, hey, four dollars. Yeah, which I know a lot of people who made a lot of money throughout their lives by doing this exact scam that we're describing, which is basically like taking an item and then just like switching the price. But yeah. Right to Lowe's. I hope that you got your job. But what's up, brother? How you feeling? Perfect. Jim Jones got early dementia. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Because they made the wrong price on their stuff. It was on speed. And the guy said, yes, it is seventy eight dollars. To be fair, this is so beneath our beautiful police officers. Like this is like the last thing going on in the world. It looks like they're just have smiling like how does this incident require the police? What are they have police going to say? This is a conversation between the employees of the store and the customer and the policies that the store has in place in terms of what they will sell you something based on like what could the cops possibly have to do with this? Yeah, they know they were pissed off. You're going to be viral. You're going to be viral. I don't think Lowe's is going to like this. You see how they treat you? You see how they treat us? Lowe's you're going to be viral in the morning. You're going to be viral is the lamest thing you could say when filming something public is kind of true. My name is Joseph Jones. Joseph Jones. That's not his real name. Is it? I got. So that's why he told me. So you don't have to explain never to them. And then the social media explain it to them later. And this guy, they will know your name in seconds, bro. You're going to be so viral later for trying to cause this problem. You don't want to escalate. You're supposed to be the manager. I hope you have a job for your family in the morning. Now you disappear because you call police for what? For what? Now somebody else to ring him up. The managers came out here and told me that I can't I can't shop in here. He said I did something wrong. But Dave went to check the price. The price was wrong. We had to give it to him and on it. OK. Oh, they're going to be so viral tomorrow. You don't have to. They said they're going to honor it. Yeah, they probably want to get the police out of there. And they want Jim Jones to leave. It's from screaming. Came out here and said, this is our fucking policy. This will happen too much in America. You're I'm going to be honest with you. I just could never imagine communicating with the employees at a store in this way, no matter what. There's like there's literally nothing that the employees at a store in a shopping plaza right by the mall that they could ever possibly do. That would make me get that out of pocket and that loud. Like I just don't understand how you could ever really rise to that occasion. But Jim Jones, he didn't catch it on camera, but he was saying the dude was being rude as fuck to him before, you know, that he cut the camera on. That's kind of what prompted him to do this. I feel like you're pretty quick to kind of snap at somebody if they're being rude as fuck to you. If you feel like it's kind of for no reason, I feel like you could kind of catch an attitude with the Lowe's guy. Maybe, but there's also really no part of me that's going to want to make a short film. No, that part. Send it out to the world. Viral, look at the police here. Instagram real. Like I don't think I've ever gotten loud with any employee at any store. Never. Like this. Yeah, it's a little much. And then a plus, I don't like the part where every time it just has to go to race. Like every time I'm a black man, it's like, bro, this was a mix up. You think they're calling the police if he wasn't black though? What? You think they're calling the police if he wasn't black? If that was Adam, you know, filming everybody. I was redneck screaming at him like that. I felt like it would be exactly the same. Yeah, I don't know. Everything ain't about race. I think they're quicker to call the police when they saw black people yelling at him for sure. It seems like it was an honest mistake. Okay, something was mispriced. Okay, I can't give you something for 70% of a slash way because this we made a mistake. Okay, this is what it is. You don't got to pull out your phone, try to make people go viral and accuse people of being racist. The only reason I'm vouching for him because I am somebody who likes to stand on my opinion pretty, you know, unabashedly. So like what if he feels obviously Adam read the policy, but Jim Jones thought that they price, you know, they give you whatever price is on there. And even the manager told the worker, hey, he said it was like this, we got to honor that. He said that. So Jim Jones in that situation, how they're explaining it to him feels he's in the right and feels like he's, it's like the principle. It's like, yeah, I think Jim Jones probably doesn't have money problems where he needs it for $78, but he's looking at us. Hey, I come here all the time. I give you guys business. You guys are mistreating me over something I feel like I'm correct on. I would, I would really like to know how much those lights actually cost and how much he was trying to get them for. The price difference. Because it says here that it's okay. So it's at the manager's discretion. If it's a small pricing mistake, like a few dollars, then it's often honored just to keep things smooth. But a big mistake, like a $500 item labeled as $50 is almost always denied. And also for the record, for anyone who thinks that it might be an issue with a law, law, legally they are not in any way required to sell items for the amount that is labeled as. No, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Jim Jones. But that seems like they gave them the lights for the price that he wanted. So it's like, yeah, why even post a video at that point? Yeah. Yeah, right? Like once they give you what you want, like they throw them out like Jazzy Jeff and then just said, you know, kick rocks. It's like, they said, hey, well, honor it. Sorry, man. Just quit yelling. So like throughout my life, my parents always made this abundantly clear to me, which is that working retail sucks. It does. And that anyone who's working a job that you objectively feel like probably sucks is somebody you should probably have a bit of empathy for. Yeah, that's a slack. So like, I feel like everything you need to know about most people, you can kind of ascertain from how they treat the waitress at the restaurant or the coffee barista, et cetera. It's like, if you take this waitress who really doesn't have a choice about interacting with you and serving you and you use that as an opportunity to belittle her or treat her like in a way that you don't treat the other people in your life, to me, that's just really pathetic. And even though Jim Jones is behaving as if he's been aggrieved in some way here and this is justified, I just really think it's pathetic. Being a grown, when they call him a teen, your citizen, this is what they're talking about. It's like a coverage behavior for like a amped up testosterone fueled 18 year old. He's like 50. He's older than that. He's whipping out your phone and you're going to go viral for this, man. And then we had, we've seen the debacle over like the studio being paid for and stuff, that clip of Jim and it's kind of seemed like, oh man, you're tripping over this, starting to seem like, you know, you're kind of pinching pennies kind of, you know, with this type of energy. That is the tone deaf energy of this is that he has been extremely viral over the last few months because 50 cents has been clowning him about the exact that he apparently can't afford the rent on his podcast studio. How does this take away from that narrative? This encourages that. So much. If you want to combat that, you probably shouldn't be tripping on the lowest manager. You're a millionaire, right? Yeah. Maybe he's not. So that's why he needs the lights for cheaper. As soon as I was in Jim Jones working out a 24 hour fitness, I was like, okay, something in that. Something's off the rails. It's got good deals. They call you a lot. If you sign up until you sign up, yeah, it's probably like right around the corners, convenient to get to or whatever. I just know for me personally, being a lot less famous than Jim Jones, like no way. I don't really want to go to the 24 hour fitness, bro. Like I'm a public figure. If I'm in that environment, I'm going to have to talk to way too many fucking random people. Yeah. At least I get like an equinox or something. Yeah. Yeah. At least get equinox money. Look at the six nine situation. Yeah. That's what would stop anybody from working out regular as Jim as a clouded up person. I am still to this day confused about why six nine did not have his own treadmill in his home. Yeah. Cause he was doing well even at that time. You know, it's not like he was that down bad. It's like the biggest house you ever seen in your life and the fucking treadmill is like two grand or some shit. Like I don't really understand that part. There's a lake but no treadmill. Yeah. It's a plow he's on. It's like a zebra on a lake with no treadmill. But I guess six nine is well, you know, he's been out for a little bit before he got out. They were really trying to line up interview content. You know, they're trying to get me to fucking fly out and like do an interview with him, like the moment that he got out and everything like that. And I don't know. I know Vlad is like going there to do another interview, but oh, well, I mean, all the snitch topics are really, that's what we need. Oh yeah. I was about to say that it doesn't feel like there's that much new stuff to ask six nine about over the course of the last like two months since he's been locked up. But then I thought about the Gucci man thing. You think he'll ever come to fruition because he keeps saying like I'm gonna be a streamer, you know, everyday streamer. But it seems like, you know, like Steve will do it, try to get him that bag for the stream stream and stuff. And he just ran off. So it seems like he doesn't have the drive to just do the blue face route, you know, and actually stream. I think he'd be a great streamer. I don't know if the music is going to really pop for him anymore. I think that boat is kind of sale. But I think he's definitely entertaining. Exactly. Yeah. It just doesn't seem like he has the want for it. Right. Yeah. Just like that's what people discount when it comes to streaming is that you need to have just a huge amount of drive to keep it going. Because it inevitably will be a pain in the ass on a technical level. As a normal person, you get tired throughout the day. You want a little downtime. You want to chill. It's like, if you really want to be a streamer, that's just not really like stuff that you can. I was actually like reading an article about a woman who does like IRL streaming of everything that she does every day. She's got the tripod. She's got the camera. She's got the backpack and she is just literally every moment of the day streaming her life. And she's got TTS on all day, every day. So she's just kind of getting five bucks at a time over and over. And just the idea of doing that every single day. It has to be a mental illness. That's exhausting. That's a lot. That has to be diagnosed, I feel like, at a certain point. What was that one show they did back in the day and where they watched the guy all the time in his house? Truman Show. Truman Show. That's like that. That just seems like overkill. At least she's in on it. But then there is a part of me that feels like, oh, you know, I could do that. I could be live every minute of every day. And somehow those like five dollar donations would just like amp me up. Like the hit of dopamine every time. Yeah, it just keeps you running. I've always wanted to own a corner store. Like a four day. And just stream it? Yeah. I just feel like I feel like when I see those guys working on the corner store and just making five bucks at a time, bang, bang, like that just does something to my brain of just like wanting to just make money in extremely small increments over and over and over. It's kind of like your poker thing too. Especially the cash. Yeah, there's some weird similarities to that. Especially the cash only spot. So you know they report none of that shit. They just get it. Yeah, it's going into the old F register. Let's go into a paper bag. They pocket it. They write it at the end of the night. Definitely. So what are we going to do differently for next week's episode? I think we have to like work on our topics throughout the week and hopefully watch some stuff. I have a suggestion. Yes. We listen to at least one musical project and watch at least one piece of content that we can discuss. Yeah, like a movie show, whatever it is. What albums are coming out Thursday night? I'm just going to leave it at that. We'll see if they, I guess my chat knows me well enough to know that I'm primarily thinking hip hop. You know why I'm here? Oh, Ken Carson. Oh, I did see that. Yeah. Is that a rapper? Yeah. Okay. It's like from the Playboy Cardi kind of camp. Yes. Okay. Historically, I have not been a huge fan of his output and I have had a lot of people try to tell me that he is really amazing and then I listen to it and I don't really get it. But I'm certainly open to that. Ken Carson. I think I like Destroy Lonely, I think a little more than Ken Carson. I'll check it out. Maybe that. Maybe I'm conflating a little too. Maybe I'm thinking of Destroy Lonely. But either way, like Thames, have you ever listened to him? I love Thames. Yeah, you do. I haven't listened to him. I heard Vlad like ranting and raving about how great this person is. Very good singer. Yeah. I mean, there's a few rumored ones like I don't really. Thames is definitely not your vibe. It's very R&B vibes. Singing songy. But he said she's like up there with who? Lauren Hill? Yeah. I was like, ooh. I don't know about all that, but she makes really good music though. She has done interviews. And she's fine as hell. For me, it's like I have to watch an interview to understand the music, right? Maybe. We'll watch her on Breakfast Club. If I'm going to listen to her album, I have to watch her. Yeah, I've never watched any of her interviews. And should we watch the Michael Jackson movie? I'm going to be too late. Would it be too late? Will we still next week? I'm very in favor of that. I'm with it. Yeah, yeah. I'm with it. Yeah, we definitely got to see the Michael Jackson movie and then we'll be a little late. All right. Yeah, and the Nine Vicious album is one that we didn't get around to. But that, I think that would be pretty interesting. Yeah, I saw that he got like a Illuminati tattoo on him and everybody was getting on him. He also has a cheetah print tattoo on his shoulder. I'm like, man, and a baby hair slicked down. I'm like, man, these new rappers are just getting zesty here and zesty here. A lot of suggestions that, well, I don't know if he's like actually zesty or if he's just kind of hamming it up. Yeah, he kind of, he like wears a weave sometime and shit. So I think he's just kind of young thug-ish, a little oozy-ish where they kind of have that side of them, but they still are like thugs and shit. Oh, you know, I forgot the best detail that Vy gave and the whole old thing about Aries. What? Ready? He required a makeup artist to meet him at VLAD for every single interview so that she can make him look presentable. Get the stuff from him because he got the bags under his eyes. But he comes from that TV. So he's probably just like, man, I look the best when I was on there. That's extra. I've done throughout my life, I've done a handful of different shows where they put makeup on you and it's always just a little bit to like, it's always the bags under the eyes. Like, you know, just make your skin look like a little bit smoother and then I see myself on camera and I'm like, oh, fuck, should I be doing that every day? Yeah, because it'll have you pop it. Because they did that with us on Wild'n Out. And I, first I was like, nah, I don't even know, make it, make you put it on and you see yourself. Yeah. I mean, like, no, boy, it's just like Adam not doing a Monday show until you get a fucking makeup artist on here. She twos us all up. But that's the weird thing about it too, is that it's like, OK, on here, they can't see that much detail. Yeah. On VLAD, they are all up in your hands. It's 4K and it is right here and he doesn't really like you wearing sunglasses and shit like that. And yeah, for sure, like when I go on VLAD, I'll get mad comments calling me a drug addict and saying that I'm off cocaine shit. And then I don't see those same comments on here. And then I'll see it all. Because you can't really see the details in my face. Right. And it's funny that you said the thing about Aries needing a towel because Mikey walked up to me and Dovey when we got here and was like, are you guys consider yourself, keep a towel with you fat? Keep a towel with you fat. And we were both like, maybe at one point. I was. But at this current, yeah, point in our life. Oh, 50 dough needed it. Yeah, for sure. I couldn't go on stage. Because when I would go on stage to perform, I would sweat. And that's one thing I can say. Because I know you said when they said about Aries spirits that they would have on paper towels. If you know when you wipe paper towels on your face, sometimes they get a little resin, a little stuff on your face. It's like lint and like kind of stuff. Yeah, it looks weird. So that might be why he felt that way. Also kind of weird to blot your face with a towel when you're wearing makeup. Right. Oh, it might take some makeup off. Take it off and it looks like you just slept with a girl with a cake face and shit. One thing I can say about this episode though, I feel like this was the most cohesive episode that we've had as a collective. This felt very func-swayish. I liked it. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I got my jitters out now. We got like the first one where we talked about, uh, fuck, I can't remember. The business was like two episodes and then the 24. Yeah, we talked about the weight loss challenge, all that stuff. Oh shit, weight loss. Are we giving up? Oh man. You've been eating the bread all weekend. What did you eat this weekend? I'm back at square one at least. I'm at 256, 257. Yeah, I weighed myself this morning and I was the exact same weight that I was when we started. I think I put on at least three or four from last week. I mean, the 24 hours dream. I mean, it's just there's no way we could stay on a diet. Pizza, wings, tacos. Yeah, one thing I've like really noticed and I believe about myself is that I don't really believe that I have it in me to be faced with a bunch of delicious food and to not eat it. There's like six boxes of donuts, 10 pizzas. It's like, what is this? I did okay with that because it was just feels like whatever. Yeah, no, there's like a bunch of donuts out there for the whole 20 hours. The pizzas like got me. Yeah, but then I eat like, you know, a thing of wings and it made me feel like such a fat ass because I'm looking at everybody else. And this is before both of you guys got there, but like, I'm looking at everybody else when they bring out all the wings. I'm eating every last swing and I'm not waiting for them to cool down. I'm eating it while it's still so hot. Yes, like when the smoke's coming up of them up to you. And then I eat every single fry in the box and then I eat leftover wings from Cryptmag and like the other person sitting next to me and it's like, I'm looking at some of the other people and it's like even Cryptmag is like, he eats like three wings. Right. And then maybe 20 minutes later, he eats one more wing. Everybody's being classy about it. Another wing. Like he's just not like, I have this mentality and this is really like what I need to define feet, which is that it's like, I am going to starve if I don't eat right now. No, for sure. And I'm going to get that out of my head. I'm going to get really grumpy. That's what I'm worried about. It's like, I need something. Yeah. And then don't let it be good because then you just got to keep going. I can use food to justify everything where I look at the food. I'm on a podcast and I think that's podcast fuel. If I eat all that, that is my asshole and I will use that energy to continue on the podcast, even though realistically at that moment, I had already eaten the required calories. Yeah, that would have kept you going. I did not need any more calories. And yeah, I'm kind of doing something that like requires more energy because we're on a 24 hour stream, but it's like, I don't need like a thousand calories. How many is it, you know, to justify calories? Add a quick, I had, they had bagels out there. Oh yeah. Hey, two of them. Yeah, I ordered McDonald's and they just didn't get my order right. So I was just like, fuck this. And I just ate a bagel too. I'm not going to lie. But sometimes I surprise myself. Like, you know, on Sunday after that, I ate a burrito in the morning and then I didn't eat for like eight hours and then my girl made chicken and rice. And so I was like, okay. That was square one. I was probably a good solid amount of calories if I had to guess for me for the day. Right. I just, I don't know. I'm eating like pretty good all day. So I was, I got to like seize upon it. But then it's like, I know I'm going to have to go out to eat. Like even Friday, if I'm going to go to the movies with my girl, we're going to go out to eat before. And I just know that it's going to be bad. You're not going to take the picture of the menu and send it to chance. You'll be tea and say, you know, asking them what it is. Maybe that is the thing that I need to swear to myself. But then this is the other thing. All right. Like just say, say I do that. Say I get the same amount of vegetables, but like my wife doesn't have the same problems as me. So say she orders the pasta. This is what happened like the last time I went on to eat. She orders the pasta and it's like, she eats one spoonful, like a large spoonful of the pasta. And then I eat like the other six spoonfuls. On economic principle alone, you can't let the food waste. I know. But if you really want to like in shape, you have to be willing to do that because food is very cheap, at least some not at this restaurant, probably, but like sometimes in general. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You have to be willing to like just forego that. And that's why the more I think about it, the more I'm like, oh, you know, you're probably not going to really be in the kind of shape that you'd like to be unless you go GLP one on them. How about this? This Monday will be the four week marker, which will be the 33 percent way. Okay. Let's lock in this week and let's just all commit to two pounds. I'm with it because I start boxing tomorrow. Me too. Me too. I have like a little goal. Are you boxing? I got to be ready, you know, just in case of the opportunity. Just in case you ate that. Yeah. And I had a guy from a certain podcast named Lucky popping it at me now. So. Really? What did you say? Why? Because they were just, we were talking about on the food community podcast like a compa was trying to find a boxing partner. They're like, oh, you know, I'm saying a good one. Moose is a big guy. Lucky's again. And then he just ran with the whack narrative after he's seen that clip and he's been popping it crazy. Posted the clip. I think of me as doing something. He was talking crazy shit. So I'm going to get my boxing up and, you know, me and Lucky could step in a ring. That'd be great. I mean, I did not think about it until this exact moment, but I actually left money on the table by forgetting to ask problem the goon about hoodstucks. I think he's had some kind of contentious back and forth. Yeah. Yeah. Problem the goon be definitely having some beefs out there. How the fuck would problem the goon? Although that does make me look like kind of cool by not engaging in that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Not important enough. Almost certainly. I do care less if I had to guess. But shout out to droops. Oh man, droops be tapping on me all the time. So what? That's his like, that's his co-host. Okay. He shows me a lot of love. So I fuck with droops. But if you go to the headstocks that you will be bludgeoned on behalf of me. I don't know. I would go up there to not, definitely not to fight, but I would go up there and pod with them, but I don't think that's on the table right now for sure. But maybe we'll work towards that. Maybe after we get in the ring and punch each other, we could hug it out and go podcast. I think you'll do all right, man. You're in a little do. You might slide some. Yeah, maybe. We'll see. We'll see. Point it out that we're all wearing all black. Yeah. We'll see each other before we got here. Yeah. Or didn't eat it. I'm just going to mash some of these dough knows real quick, which. Oh, I'm not getting. Cookies. Yeah. I went to the Apollo and they laced me up with a bunch of gear. I got some dedicated hat. You know what I'm saying? Apollo. What about that collab? Yeah. Definitely. I'll talk to a macwap. He said he'll be down to come back up here one of these days and stuff. But it would be crazy if we did like a combo pod with like them and us and it would be especially crazy if we streamed it on like their Twitch and our YouTube at the same time. They're cooking with guys. They stream on Twitch first. No, they stream on YouTube. Mac does like a certain streams on Twitch, but that's usually like the Mac streams when it's Apollo. It's always on YouTube live. I still have kind of like cold feet to ask Rios to do episode. Yeah. Because people are saying that he was kind of like joking when he was showing you love and actually he still does hate you for real. But I don't know. Well, for people saying that, I recently followed him and he followed me back. All as well. I just, I would like to do a podcast with him. But also, I was actually thinking about telling him to pull up during the Krip Mac and Unk thing. But then I was like, I feel like Rios' energy is not circus energy. Yeah. It's more like our energy on this pod is definitely Rios. You know, he wants to talk about topics, get into stuff. Yeah. But I mess with Rios. He's definitely one of the most articulate, well, you know, spoken dudes over there, that podcast. Yeah. And so he's like the best podcaster. Yeah. Sometimes he would just be super one-sided on the FMW side of things. And I felt like he could be a little more. Yeah. He's super loyal. I could give him that. Yeah. For sure. Okay. I'm going to read these real quick. DragoniteGurib said, Doe Boy, don't let him gaslight you into thinking you were supposed to save him. Y'all just met. He was popping it and you told him that you wasn't on that. I'd never expected that. You did say that when I went back and rewatched, I actually watched ACWATCHIT and you did say that. I am not getting involved. You did make that very clear. Yeah. Very about that. And I did say that he should have done something, but at the end of the day, like he said, I got myself into that. He got a relationship with WAC, you know what I'm saying? Though, you know, it's before my relationship with Doe. So I get it. And Ali said, How does Doe Boy talk tough when he got marked out by a guy 200 pounds less than him? 607 on kept calling you a bitch. I didn't like it. You didn't like it. JP said, Anthony Doe Boy should be the last one talking. He got marked out multiple times by Onks. He got called a sitch. All in his feelings. Spodey whooping Anthony ass. Put some money on it, JP. Wow. Insane. Dragonite Crip said, which by the way, I should have told him for restraining himself to one donation on the stream. It must have been hard for him. Adam, I guess I have to glaze you since you gave me an official warning. Josh already sent me the email. We all know you birth figmen in the world. I remember no jumper always posting their channels. You gave them their fan base. I see no lies here. Zilla the prophet said, I will catch a hat for Astrid. Very fair. Blue hearts. Listen, I'm down to do whatever I got to do to get my ass licked. That's it. Keiston said, we got to stop acting like T-Rail ain't got one of the top pods out. Well, from my perspective, him and Flakos pod doing about 10,000 per week. And back on fig. I think you'd be in generous there. To its credit, it'd be about 2X that. Yeah. So I guess that is like. In terms of West Coast pods, they're definitely still up there. Yeah. For retarded people, he's doing pretty good. He can't outperform the news, but you got a little something going on. Okay. Not guilty TV said, I feel Dogoy is biased due to his and Wax relationship with Nick Cannon. Unfair. Cisness. No, that's what I thought too. No, no. Don Julio said, Adam, put me on. I just want to be in the back running the cameras. LMAO. He wants to be an Edgar. I'm going to tell the Edgers that. The spot isn't jeopardy. You got to get the Edgar put on. Oh, I like this one right here. Okay. Humble said Adam and Moose man were wrong. You can't tell anyone how to react to what they see as disrespect. Yeah, you definitely can. So that is definitely a correct right there. Moose, you definitely turned it down. Absolutely. Adam had you backed into a corner to protect you like AD had flakko when he was spit on. This is not a corner. This is exactly where we're standing. It's not a corner. Moose man could have darted to the right. He could have darted to the left on a little spin move over the table. A little pereon. What did have worked out for him? I don't really know, but there was definitely a way out. He wasn't backing into a corner. That would have got tackled by creep and taken down. He might be in a metaphorical corner. No, I can see that. Am I the first person to say you look like Pedro Pascal? Yeah, I think so. And then everybody agreed when I posted that on my story for sure. You get a little bit of a similar energy. Hit with Pedro. He's a homosexual, but. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, you didn't? Well, he's one of those dudes who's never admitted to being gay, but he like. Is he the one that's like, oh, I'm anxious. Let me touch your boobs. Is that okay? That's fire. Yeah, my kind of thing. Dragonite Gerb said not every man is a politician like Adam and Moose. 90% of grown men from urban places would react the way whack did. I hate whack, but be a man moves down. If what you're saying is true and 90% of grown men from urban places would react that way, then that is an indictment of 90% of grown men from urban places, not the person who actually behaved rationally in that situation. If you ask me, filmed by Fredo said, did whack at any point make it clear that he did not want to probably move beforehand if he did and you still invited Moose and it's on you. 22 B team. OK, you got me there. Keiston said Moose and Doughboy both introduced themselves to the world as tough guys. Now we look like crazy. I definitely don't remember that from Doughboy. The Monday show was the tough guy. Shelf. We're supposed to. No, we stripped down naked. That was asserting our dominance. At the whole air spirits thing. No. It's it's totally impossible. But imagine if we did that it's always sunny in Philadelphia thing. And like, we don't know Danny DeVito, but we got air spirits to join this podcast. That would be crazy. That would be hard. He's hilarious. I cannot pay him for a thousand. Yeah, you have that for episode. OK, man. I wish you're making a million a month per Monday. Me and Donate, me and Doughboy will donate our salaries to get airy smears as every single person watching this becomes a member. Maybe we could swing it. But let's go. It's going to be tough. Rich Young and said Adam is wrong. Nice, nice formulated argument there. Skinned Christ said, Dough, take accountability. I don't break up fights. You was antagonizing the situation. Find Brian Pumper. I was I didn't antagonize shit. As soon as as soon as Moose locked it, I said, oh, shit, I don't know what's going to happen. And I don't really understand how the last sentence here. Fine. Brian Pumper relates to the rest of it. I love all the thoughts being brought into one donation. Me too. It's very, very correct, Mac. Kay Blowing said, I fuck with Moose, but you called that man short and fat and said, y'all can catch a fade at at this point. You better be ready for whatever comes with it, no matter how he reacts. When he used that logic on me, I was like, you are short and fat. I was just shooting some jokes, man. I wasn't trying to kill a whack. Yeah. He's like five, seven, I think you were calling him five, four. So that's kind of hurtful. Humble said Adam Season of Jumper as a corporation, and that's definitely not how it's seen from the people he works with or the outside viewer. I would disagree. I think that the people who come here for the most part outside of WAC view it as a business. And for most people who watch it, I would say that this is 99% of the time. It's pretty much just a regular podcast. And then every once in a while, we have a near brawl. WAC can be responsible, but there was no conversation beforehand. Adam, you don't have politicians. That is also true. See, Hustle said, double, you got boxing footage on YouTube. Did you keep training? I think you're trying to fool people that you can't throw hands. Yeah, I do. But I was boxing with my little brother, Teddy Ray. We were just playing. Yeah, that YouTube video is out there. It's out there. Oh, OK. And Duel Persona and Patrick Merriman became members. Shout out to them. Thank you, guys. And then oh, yeah, damn. I just reloaded. It was right there. That ATL NOLA. ATL NOLA said, Adam and Moose ran a trash play and it failed. Take accountability. Don't compare Doe telling Spodey not to eat to you, trying to get WAC fired and fight. Definitely did not want to get. I was saying that Doe Boy fighting Spodey was like, you know, WAC, we're gonna fight. We're past that. We're in the future now. Pimp Boy said Moose Man. I'm trying to see that caboose man. They've been saying we mean Doe got asked the whole pod. Every time I laugh, they said we're carrying ass, I think was the exact quote. That's funny. Carmine said, Doe, Doe's bias takes drown out the combo. Can't even be open minded. Firstly, always agreed with Adam. Now, no matter what WAC says or does he got the same take cringe, hashtag hard to watch, hashtag yes man, hashtag pick me. That is ridiculous. Hashtag try too hard. I sat there and had one of you up at the WAC situation at the beginning. And by the end of the conversation, I said, I see your point. Blah, blah, blah, blah. What are you talking about? Carmine. Jay Supreme said Moose, what are your thoughts on Creep this point moving forward? He's no good in my opinion. I'm cool with Creep. I mean, I'm sure don't really have the most fond opinion of me. He posted like a video on a story after I think it was directed at me, saying stay out the streets. But I mean, I'm not a street guy, so I'm not sure. But shout out to Creep. He's always been cool to me and he's been WACs like right hand man for nine years. So of course he's going to have a little T to WAC. Yeah, I don't blame him. Creep's doing what he got to do. Yeah, Creep seems like a good dupe. Two, one, three, Cuzz said, WAC played your mind games with you, Moose. Oh, YA. Oh, YA mind games. Yeah, WAC played YA mind games with you, Moose. Made you look like a super buster because he knew other Mexicans would see and have everybody turn on you. Single handedly made you levastatus. Confidence gone. What does levami? Like being a ho. Oh, I would disagree with that, though, because the things that they're calling you a ho for are kind of things that you did, which are not really like things that WAC could have called. And it's just like any way that's like, you know, disowning me or, you know, disavowing me is like nobody I give a fuck about. Yeah, WAC, he is not in a position where he's trying to like convince everybody is a super gangster. So I'm Mike Tyson. Same thing with me. Like, you know, if you want to say I'm a pussy or that I'll call the cops or whatever, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. I really will. It's like call me a rat. I'm not tripping. Yeah. Um, okay. And then, uh, okay. Philip said moose blames being a civilian on not catching the fade, but do boy trying to face with Spodey face. So moose doesn't have an excuse and do boy, take that mask off. You know, that's really Brandon over there. You remember Brandon? Yeah, I know, but I actually met Betty. Massive basketball. So I went to Betty. I'm looking at the thumbnail. Like what is this? Like, can you show the screen? What is this? Like orange and yellow right here? It's just the background of the in between our pictures. That picture makes me look fat. What is the, no, it's like a background of the thumbnail with our Oh, under the picture. Oh, cause it's in between all of them. Oh, that looks kind of weird. Maybe we should make that a little bit. Okay. That's fine. Yeah, they do got no boy looking crazy. That's made me look a little bit more Svelte in these pictures. I'm looking like a Svelte. Svelte? That's what you said? Svelte? Whenever I read that, I wonder how you say that. I had no idea how you say that. All right. I got to clock in for another late night interview momentarily. But it was great talking to you guys about this. Oh, no, maybe Friday. Maybe we go out there a little, a little team date. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, I didn't want to be going to watch the movie together. You can bring your girlfriend. You can bring you can bring Astrid, maybe. Don't get yourself in trouble, though, boy. We already saw your baby wipe real good. I'll help you if you need help. I'll bring it. If Astrid's down, let's do it. If Astrid's down to eat his ass in the movie bathroom, tap in. You know, imagine me introducing Astrid to my dad. I was just being like, this girl loves eating ass. You could learn so much from her. She's like, that's very nice. That's the way it is. My wife has really hit the point where I feel like she might never eat my ass again. Oh, that's sad to say. So you get the ass pass then. So it feels like she was open to it in the early days and then as time has gone by, she's an old wrinkly ass. No, you know what actually happened is that she got pregnant. And you know how like sometimes people who get pregnant and get really weird about like smells and tastes. Your buttholes. A lot of smells and tastes in that ass. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. There's so much going on there. So many people. It's a disaster. No, but she like, I think that kind of like pushed her into like it's not just that. Like even in the porn stuff, like with the spit and like even just like nutting all in her mouth and shit. Like I just I notice how like her taste buds just got like massively amplified. I could explain it. She'll be my nut on camera, which I know people are going to point out like other guys, none of her face or whatever. But like, yeah, it's like, I notice she has the choice. She's going to prefer not to. So let me like it in the way she is. Let me ask this, Adam, because this is probably going to happen for me before the end of the year. Sure. So if I do get my ass, what's the non gay way to do it? Like, do I stand up? Do I sit down? Look, hold legs in my mind right now. She's on her knees. She's giving you head. And then as it's continuing on, you scoot down more and more to the point where maybe you like goes up. Maybe you hold the legs. That's not gay. That's not gay. Holding the legs is she's got to hold the legs. I think I don't know. I mean, I got some big thighs. For sure. That was my entry into it. My entry into it was not me bent over. That's not that's what I imagine. That is weird. I feel like up in because even when like the first time I ate a girl's ass, it was very like you're eating the pussy and then you start dipping down by bed. And that's like the natural way to get into it. OK, so just stay down. There's school. Stay down till you come up. Boom. Remember that chat. But that's game for all y'all. Oh, God, you said we never did them for y'all. Tell a friend to tell a friend that this is a good podcast that you should watch and make sure you smash the like button. Shout out to Moose. Shout out to the Doughboy. They got content. Go watch Moose talks to Ricky for three hours about the weather. Yeah, so they got riveting. And Doughboy's not gay. And Doughboy is 100% not gay. You saw how he didn't know how to get his ass eaten. I didn't even know. I was tasting me during the spot. I asked Doughboy how it goes through the gay spot. Oh, I just know we did it. Josh is so happy. Josh is so happy because he did a poll and Doughboy got voted gayer. No. Which is on his finger. No, let me tell you what this motherfucker did. Yeah. This everything is only going to do a thousand votes, right? Mm-hmm. When it got to a thousand, he was at 31%. I was at 30. He was like, no, we should keep letting this go. He waited till I got to 31%. And then he stopped it. And the poll. I said, you, some of them. Well, you know, that's part of some of the mind games that were going on at the time that all those guys left the pod in 2023 is because, like, I remember we did a poll one time. Like, would you like better than No Jumpershow or at the end of the day? And it was like, I think at that time, the No Jumpershow was doing like significantly more views. But obviously, like the chat wants to trigger people. You know, whoever cares more, they're going to side against you. I seem like the one who would get triggered. And I knew this at the time. And I just, like, very much did not say shit and just didn't really, like, acknowledge that I was annoyed or anything. But like, that was, like, definitely part of it. It was like, we have the most popular show on the podcast. No, the fucking fan's tricky to the thinking that you had the most popular show on the podcast. Yo, get a membership, y'all. Go crazy. Yo, but that was part of what Airy Spears was telling Vlad is he sent him a screenshot of a bunch of comments. And that was fire. He's like, look at all these comments saying that they only watch Vlad because of me. He was at the top comment because if it was, he might have a case. No, it's wild. Damn. All right. Appreciate it, y'all.