Joe Rogan, Short Shorts, and Cowboy Caviar

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Good guys. Mazda Morons, welcome back to the Good Guys Podcast. Josh, you know, I have to tell you, okay, I've seen the comments on Instagram. I've seen them all. And I got to tell you, the world, including myself, is loving this beard. They love it, don't they? Is it too itchy or are you doing okay? No, I love it. It's been really good to me. And it's, my wife likes it. I'm trying it out. And then recently, the wonderful Fallon, my dear friend who cuts my hair, she was like, let me just get in there. And I said, say less, queen. And she came in and did like a nice trim up. It took like 15 minutes, but she really and it needed shape and molding. And I feel good now. I wonder what this is going to do to your acting career. I think this makes you a completely different person. I think it could be believable that I'd be on a Taylor Sheridan show right now. Whereas before it was less. I think that it makes it like, I'll like see you, but then I'll do a double take and I'll be like, is that Josh in 19, what is it? 1918, 1927. What's the name of that show? The prequel to 19 something, 1900s. Is that really Josh on that big fricking Clydesdale? I think it's going to do wonders. Okay. Keep it. We all say keep it. and I read a couple of comments like Ben you need to grow some facial hair no I don't okay this is Josh's thing I the longer my if my hair even gets this long too itchy it's gotta go I can have light stubble that's it I can't I can't deal with the itch and I'm not willing to wait it out it's only a week of discomfort but what would you look like if you let it go for two months terrible I'll send you a picture of me during COVID I just look homeless I was also like peak fat, peak Rosie O'Donnell, like lesbian with a beard. I looked like the bearded lady from Greatest Showman. Like that was literally me. And I just I just think that that's I just wasn't built for a beard. I don't know. Even though my dad has been rocking this like he's had a goatee. He's a big facial hair guy. But no, not me. Wow. Well, maybe in time you do look thin as a fiddle. You look fit, fit, fit. Shout out Roe.co for hooking us up with our GLP ones. We love you, Roe. We do. And I just want to, I just want to, I think you think Roe. You think Serena Williams. You think Ben and Josh. Yeah. No, you should think Ben and Josh and then Serena Williams because I, we can speak from experience. We are 1000% taking them. Okay. Serena. I don't know. She looks the same. She's always looked great. This. Okay. Josh. Come on. Come on. Wow. Gorgeous. Come on. You're perfect. This is authenticity at its finest. Okay. I don't like that people will sometimes comment on my videos and be like, oh, you know, he's got GLP-1 body or he's got this or that. I'd be like, honey, anyone who knows who knows knows I lost this 20 years ago. Correct. But now I'm taking it for its longevity practices. and I don't mind that my appetite's slightly curbed. Did you see the Roe commercial? Was it a Roe commercial during the Super Bowl or was it just a GLP? I think it was a Roe commercial. There was a GLP commercial that I really hope was Roe. Regardless, whoever it was, I'm giving them their flowers. It was amazing. It was a constant game of comparing. It was like, if there was a drug out there that stopped you from being an asshole, Would you take it? And it was just like all these celebrities, like talking about like things that if you could stop doing and there was a magic pill for it, obviously you would take it. And this idea that we live in a world that can suppress a fatty's appetite and we shouldn't take it is nuts. Of course we should take it. Every single person, every single person that was really fat and went on a GLP and is significantly less fat, their blood tests are so much better. Everything is better. Right. Everything. So like this this stigma, I'm hoping that we're kind of like slowly getting rid of it. But the stigma and the idea that this exists and you shouldn't take it. Nuts. It's all nuts. And it also, I take issue with this idea and absolutely the, you know, having issues with ultra processed foods and so much of the fuckery that has happened because of hard body karate capitalism with our, with, with drugs, with food is absolutely a worthy and right argument. But also this whole idea of like the carnivore diet or let's completely avoid any of these incredible things that we've created over the last hundred years. I'm like, why that dog? You know, people like to make this argument that like we're less healthy than ever. I'm like, I don't think that's true. I think if you actually look at like the analytics of the last hundred years, we're only living longer for the most part. And any momentary blips are sort of circumvented by long term that we are just living longer. So, you know, I see it a lot with people who resist taking some kind of antidepressant and what have you. And clearly everyone is specific. This is not medical advice. Talk to your doctor about it or a licensed professional. but I think that it can be a wonderful tool in addition to eating better, living better, doing cognitive behavioral therapy, all these things for the right person, it can really be beneficial. And I hope those people, or at least in my experience, I felt a big barrier to entry because I was afraid of, you know, what people would say, what I'd heard, how it would change me. And it really only changed me for the better in my experience. So I hope anyone who does need it is open to it and doesn't feel the pressure of people being like resist and reject all modern medicine. Yeah. And you bring up a very interesting point with the carnivore diet and these crash diets. And you start to think of the psychology of why a fat person, myself very much included, My whole family, everybody. OK, like the reason why we gravitate towards crash diets is the same reason why we can't stop eating. It's because we have compulsive behavior. We we our brain is wired to need to eat. So then we rewire our brain to just need to eat this specific set of things. But we're still able to go all in like that's why a carnivore diet, a keto diet like the keto diet was, I loved the idea of it because somebody said to me, you can still eat as much as you want. Get sick. Just get sick on fat, fish, meat, you know? And it's just, it's interesting. It doesn't ever solve. And then I swear this isn't a commercial. We're just passionate about it. But what GLP ones do is they solve that problem where it's no longer I need to eat everything. And then the magic happens where it's like, oh, my God, Josh, I can fucking have a slice of pizza. OK, I can have a bowl of pasta. I can have anything I want and still lose weight because I'm eating in a calorie deficit because my brain doesn't need to eat till it wants to throw up. That's the magic. And I totally agree with making medicine a last resort in all these cases. But my counter argument is don't make it the fifth time last resort. Like, don't try what you've been trying five times and has failed before. And then finally, years later, going, I guess I'll try it. Like, do what you can within your own sort of power, you know, once, twice. But by then be like, maybe I should entertain something different because that's what I find. People like wait years and years and years. And I'm like, I just there's too much evidence. It says the way you've been doing it doesn't work or doesn't work completely. No, it doesn't work. These diets in general don't work. They don't. They don't. Because the second that you call it a diet, it's over. It's temporary. You're meant to lose. And then you'll try something new. what would you call it when i lost 100 pounds between like the age of 17 19 without any help from a glp a complete lifestyle reset that's fair with with incredible uh diligence hard work uh i wasn't there to see it but you clearly transformed your entire life You didn't call it. I'm going on a diet. You probably said I am changing my life forever. Like the term diet to me and diet culture is I'm going to try this fad and see if it works for me. And when it doesn't, I'm going to try a different fad. And that's just what it is. You're jumping from one to the next, expecting just this magic pill when diets are not magic pills. lifestyle changes are magic pills and most people cannot make that lifestyle change for whatever reason i don't i don't know why without something like an ozempic you were able to but most are not and if they do lose the weight they 99 of the time gain it back it's fascinating but also right like we have decided about so many things before this with modern medicine and just like the modern sort of innovations of the last few hundred years that like there are many things that we had lived with for thousands of years that don't have to be a reality anymore. So is now obesity that like, maybe for our kids' generation or their kids' generation, like obesity will just be a illness of the past? I think it kind of becomes lung cancer, where of course you can get lung cancer from not smoking. But right now we know if you don't smoke cigarettes, your chances of not getting lung cancer are significantly higher. And it's the same thing. You don't have to be obese. If you want to be obese, you can absolutely not take a GLP. You cannot change your lifestyle. You can eat whatever the hell you want. You can be as gluttonous as you want. And that's totally fine. right? Just don't be, don't be shocked that you're obese and that the diseases that come from obesity will probably happen to you. But I think that's what it's going to be. It's like, we're going to look at somebody who is obese and no longer think like, oh, I'm so sad that he's obese. We're going to think, oh, he, he really could have changed that. You know, it's the, it's the same thing. And I don't, I don't mean to not make light of, of lung cancer, but of course, when you hear that somebody got lung cancer because they smoked three packs of Marlboro Reds a day for 50 years. You have a very different reaction than somebody got lung cancer because they were unlucky. Sure. You know, and I think that's what's going to happen. Do you agree? Yeah, I think it'll be it certainly will be a choice. And obviously, it's not for everyone. But I agree. I think in many cases, it will be circumvented. And it was a thing that was like, basically like, you know, it was the thing that we were all in an uproar about for the last 30 years. My whole life, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And now it just doesn't have to be that way. So I think it's like overall a massive net positive and not without some side effects, obviously, and things that come with all things. 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You just worked so hard. Why are you wasting it? Yeah. Also, Josh, why would music cost you five grand? Well, if you have a good voice and a phone, isn't that enough right now? I don't know. Go on TikTok and sing. Olivia is a musician. She would probably have some insight into this. Yeah, I think when it comes to video time, that's where a lot of people will sink their money or if they want to be a musician particularly. And maybe like hip hop or a genre of pop sometimes where it's like it needs more of a produced track. If you're not a producer, but you like to sing and write songs, then you would probably be paying somebody to create the track for you and then book the studio time, you know be able to pay for a distributor all that kind of stuff and then you know some people really like to pour money into music videos and things but you can do a lot with a lot by paying a lot less especially if you teach yourself like how to do stuff which is kind of what i've done it's just like you know learn i mean that's how i got into like audio engineering for podcasting was because of music but yeah you don't have to put five thousand dollars into it definitely but can't you I'm trying not to trivialize this like we live in such a unique time especially for a vocalist it's different if you're not a vocalist but if you if if you have a great voice go on TikTok and fucking sing and let somebody find out that you have a great voice and then they'll pay for the studio time yeah but like this idea that you're gonna like make a demo and go and bring it to a music production company I'm pretty sure that they would tell you to go go on TikTok. Like all that they care about is, is that not all that they care about right now? Social media followers to drive streams? I actually, one of my friends works at a Warner Music Group and there's a guy who is from Cincinnati and he like blew up on TikTok over the past like a year and a half, two years or so. And it was just because of one song that he had. He'd been playing in a band forever, like back home. And then they had all taught themselves how to record stuff. So they self-produced this album. He put a little video on TikTok and it blew up. And I would play a sample of songs. It's Michael Markegi. But you've probably heard it shopping somewhere now. But he's a serious artist. And he just started it. He was found on TikTok. It happens all the time. All the time. But don't you think, too, what we've come to find out with record deals, and I'm sure they're a little bit better, but probably not much, is that it's basically like indentured servitude. You are signing away, in many cases, is some of the best years and work you're going to do. Now, granted, the record company is taking a huge leap of faith too, in that they won't make their money back by putting all this money behind you for studio time, for touring, blah, blah, blah. But I think what I'm finding in this era of self-produced people where comedians are making their own specials and musicians are finding their audience on TikTok or Instagram for no money, it's like if you can get over that year to maybe it's two or three years of discomfort of not having that money fronted to you and you can figure out a way to survive and become big. It's like, I think in the modern era, the ability in which to not get an advance and using your power to negotiate a bigger piece of the pie so that because that's how they get you, right? They're like, we'll give you a million up front, but you're going to get 5% if this thing ever blows up. And I think like, I don't think that's necessary anymore. And I think long term, you'll make so much more if you can make a killer deal. because you didn't ask for a bunch of money up front. A hundred percent. And you're not entitled to anything up front. Like I'll give a little inside baseball, Josh. Our first podcast deal was nothing up front. We did it. We bet on ourselves. You know what I mean? And that's the way that it should be. Like if you're going into something saying, I'm going to make money on my music. I say this all the time with people who are like talking about cooking on Instagram or like, doing fashion on Instagram. Like if you're going into it with the intention that I'm going to use social media to make money, you're going to fail. If you're going into it saying, I'm going to launch a podcast and I'm going to do it weekly with my best friend because we have a lot of great things that we want to talk about. And after 52 weeks, we're going to see what happens. But we think it's really good. And you go into it with no, there's nothing, you know, there's no expectations. I just, I think you bet on yourself. Yeah, but I mean, if you're a singer, right, in theory, the record deal is going to have to, right, what they're paying for is that producer who's going to cost $150,000 to produce your album. And then they're also paying for, you know, so maybe your album's $200,000. And then they get you a stylist for $75,000 to decide on what your look is for your debut. And then they're spending half a million dollars on hotels and travel for your, you know, couple dozen shows that you're doing in that year. so again it's like I and this might sound insane especially to artists who naturally don't have a lot of dough when they start but it's like if you can find a way to avoid that because in exchange for all that they're like and in for your next five albums we get 95 percent of it right yeah like it's just a really rough deal and it's not gonna and that's how we benefited from the pod that it was like by us being willing to take nothing up front when we could renegotiate where we were like, well, we have some power because we have a great fan base, the morons. Yeah, the morons, exactly. And a great show. Yeah, bet on yourself. I don't know. And we're living in such like a cool time to be a creative, like just go create. Don't think about anything other than creating. That was what I was trying to say. Wow, love this episode. So deep. We're so deep. I also am more late on this, but I wanted to ask your opinion. And I find I'm as much of a Joe Rogan fan as anyone else of his podcasts. Like a couple episodes I love, a couple episodes I'm not into. Some of the things he says, I'm like, yeah, it's a good point. Some of the things he says, I'm like, what are you nuts? But I did think it was a fair point when I heard that there was a podcast award at the Golden Globes, which were a couple weeks ago, which Amy Poehler won. Shout out, much respect to her. But her pod's been around for a year. Rogan's been around for 15 years. and basically created and changed the landscape of podcasts everywhere. And I do think it's crazy that he didn't win, having the number one podcast in the world. He also said that he wouldn't give the $500 it took to register to be nominated, which I have heard you have to pay to be nominated. What do you think? So you have to, I'd love to know in acting film, if you want your movie to be recognized, you have to submit it, correct? And you have to pay. Yeah. It's like a college application. Yeah. So on the in the alcohol business, if we want to win any kind of an award, you you have to try. And like there's like multiple like like it's like a gold star for flavor or something like the San Francisco winery competition. There are a million of these and you pay a fee and then you figure out if and sometimes it feels scammy. But I don't think the Golden Globes would be one of those things where I would think to myself, this feels scammy. I would think if I was Joe Rogan, that if I wanted to win it, which he obviously would have won it, I would have paid the five hundred dollars because it's worth more than that in legitimacy and publicity. Or he feels that he doesn't need that. And maybe he doesn't need that. But I don't know. I thought that I heard what he said, and I think he obviously has the biggest podcast in the world. But these shows are subjective. Like if I I I don't know, I definitely think that the toast could have been up there like a show that's like if you're thinking about like a cult fan base that's been there for a very long period of time. To your point, Amy Poehler just came on. It seems like a fantastic podcast. I've seen great clips. I'm sure it's pulling incredible numbers. but just like any of these awards it's subjective and we have yet another subjective award to give out but i thought that it was an unbelievable net positive for the entire podcasting industry like so legitimizing that old school media is finally recognizing it so i don't i don't know i i thought it was like kind of weak of joe like pay the 500 bucks unlike or don't talk about it and don't care like but you care enough to talk about it right I yeah I mean I've been nominated for silly awards before right like that aren't televised and they've said you need to register or like some have been like you have to send 100 bucks to be nominated and it just like there's something I guess because I know how much these things make right from the tv production from the commercials from the endorsements you know x uh award show presented by Microsoft or like, you know, there's just so, I mean, it's the winners, the true winners of award shows are the producers who, you know, are making millions of dollars for this thing. Sure. I guess it's a barrier to entry, right? So this way you're not getting a bunch of bullshit applicants to an Ivy League school if you have to pay $300 to apply or whatever. But I just always wonder where that money's going. Yeah. For I think for school, you're right. It limits non-serious people, non-serious people from applying when like they're not like, oh, I probably wasn't going to get into Harvard and the fact that I need to waste three hundred dollars. I'm just not going to apply. Sure. Like I think that makes sense. But for something like the Globes, where you're being told that your category is new at the Globes and you know, you have the biggest podcast, just do it. You're right. Or don't talk about it. It's not like he it's very silly. I read that, too. I was like, Joe, this is silly. Like, why are you talking about this? If you care, pay the five hundred dollars because you have one hundred two hundred million or whatever it is. And I know it's not about the money, but then what is it about? yeah it's fascinating to see what he cares about because i actually feel like he hears and cares about much more than we realize he just takes his time to reply and yeah and he's thoughtful with his reply and then but he always replies like so do you think for it i'm just thinking like where it is and maybe it doesn't go further than something like the globes but in the movies You have everything from the Academy Awards to a Sundance to a Tribeca to it's not just one enormous award show, but there's the opportunity for indie smaller movies to get their flowers. Like, I wonder if that happens with these alternative forms of media, too. In general, I just think there's too many award shows. And so I think to the public, the award, like if you made award shows for entertainment, like the World Cup or the Olympics, and they were every four years, can you fucking imagine? I mean, publicists would throw a fit because they'd be like, I'm out of business. But could you guys imagine? Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And but I'm just I want to ask it maybe a different way. How in the world is a good guys a toast? these are not podcasts produced by studios, right? Amy Poehler is a product of that machine. She's in that machine. She lived that machine. That's why she's nominated and won. Sure. So I guess my thought is like we, the basement yard or like these podcasts where we're just like scrolling through TikTok, we see hilarious clips. They're huge shows with huge fandoms. I wonder if there's somehow a system that can be put in place to give those shows their flowers too, because they're actually the ones that people are watching and listening to. I'm not saying people aren't watching and listening to Amy Poehler. I'm just saying there are other shows that, again, didn't go through the same system. Yeah, Olivia, the Independent Podcast Awards. I love it. The IPA, it's so hoppy. It is. So hoppy. I love it. Actually, the 2026 iHeart Podcast Award nominees, they've been going on for a few years now, but I see that The Toast was nominated for Best Comedy Podcast. let's go which is fucking sick um alongside the basement yard it could hang a couple other ones but hell yeah yeah so i think that's where i see a lot more like shows kind of and smaller shows to get a chance to get their flowers like ones that are maybe recording on more business or things like that but yeah there's that there's the ambies and there's the levy awards which kind of touch everything and i guess the streamies but yeah i heard it's probably the biggest yeah i I think iHeart and the IPAs are the biggest podcasting awards. And the IPAs have been going on for long. Has iHeart given an award before for podcasting, or this is the first year? Yeah, yeah. They've been doing it for a few years now. I want to say, let me find out how long it's been going on. I don't think it's been going on that long. It hasn't, right? It can't be, right? I don't think so. It's not like we haven't been nominated ever, and it's been around for a long time, right? Motherfucker Oh my God Josh I forgot to pay the That why Ben this is so broken coded of you Shit I forgot to spend the 500. Four years. We would have been nominated. We've only been around for four years. I didn't spend the. What? Okay. I at least should have been holding a phone. I'm literally looking at an invisible phone. That's, that's nice object work. That's my work. I thought so. I thought so. This episode of the Good Guys Podcast is brought to you by our friends at Little Spoon. Folks, look, OK, I have a beautiful little baby, but I'm around toddlers all the time. My nieces, my nephews, these big kids. OK, they're such gorgeous kids. But let me tell you, it's hard keeping them fed. OK, look, we can't always just make these perfect homemade meals. What are we? Who are we? Betty Crocker? 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And she took over for Joel McHale as the host of The Soup for a year or two. Yep. And she told this story that made me livid while listening to it, that she came in and like most shows, the producers, you're the new host, the producers were pretty heavy handed, I think. And Jade, who's a wonderful looking person, they were like, oh, we want you to wear these like really short shorts on one of the episodes. And the designer who, and like, and Jade said, I worked with the designer and we'd come up with like kind of a wardrobe that I loved and felt confident about. And then the wardrobe stylist just one day came in and said, okay, here's your shorts. You know, they want you in these. And she was like, no. She's like, I don't want to wear that. And basically said, Joel McHale didn't have to wear those. I don't want to have to wear them. And she said that her agency called her and said, hey. She's like, and it was like an all hands-on phone call. And all of her agents go, hey, just want you to know, like the show's coming out next week. The network's really excited, but, you know, they just want you to know that you can be replaced. And I've heard this before. I've heard a threat like this of like, just so you know, you can be replaced. And it made me apoplectic. What would you do in that scenario? Now, granted, and, and in Jade's defense, like I've so been in that position where like, you feel powerless. You feel like this is a job that's going to change your life. And you just like have to get it on air and do what you can. Granted, thankfully she didn't have to wear the shorts, But like, and Olivia, please feel free to weigh in. But I was like, ooh, like at this time in my life, I would say message received. Let's not do this. I would call their bluff in a second and make their life miserable. Ten years ago, I wouldn't. Well, what do you guys think? I think it's something that comes from time and experience to what you just said. I think that if I felt like it was a big break that would change my career I'm the type of person that 100% Bends the knee and I'm like cool. Okay, I'll wear the shorts Because I see what's after the shorts. I'm not saying that's right Like but but that is something that I would have done. I would say that now Having seen some of that stuff and knowing that it's probably not it Like not to not to like be a jerk about it But whenever you feel like this is your big break after this, it's going to be everything. You do that thing. And it wasn't it. Sure. It wasn't it. It's going to be the thing that you never saw coming. That is it. So if you feel really uncomfortable by a demand and you're told that you can be replaced, I love what you said. Replace me. Because by the way, you will have such a worse show if within a week you have to try and replace me. It will be significantly worse. And then my contract will be broken. I will tell everybody why. And it'll be a PR nightmare. Like, I wouldn't say any of that. I would just say, OK, replace me. Totally. Olivia. It infuriates me, first of all. It makes me so angry. And it's such a double standard. And like as a woman, you know, you get put in. It's like, OK, so I'm not I'm not going to be a great host unless I look like super sexy on camera and wear these like tiny little shorts. Like, I'm glad that she didn't end up having to wear them. But to be threatened after that is like, it's just such horse shit, in my opinion. And I think that, you know, maybe a few years ago, kind of similar to that I probably would have, like, just, you know, said, like, really? Okay, like, granted, Barrett, I'm a people pleaser. And I probably just want to, you know, have that big break. But I think these days, I would like to think that I would not. And that I would push back a little bit more and take the, okay, yeah, you want to find, you know, somebody else go right ahead because I'm not going to like compromise my, my, just who I am and my morals. And not that that has, you know, shorts are a morality point, but you know what I mean? Just like the, the principle of it, I guess. Yeah. I completely agree. And I think that's much easier when you've changed your mindset to this isn't my big break and they don't control my big break. They have way too much power in that scenario where it's like, wear the shorts, Otherwise, you're not going to be famous. And it's a bad long-term bet. And I will say, privilege isn't the right word. Resource is the right word. Right now, thank God, knock on wood, I make a living outside of the traditional entertainment system. So I would feel comfortable walking away. Whereas 10 years ago, when my livelihood depended on every next gig, of course, I would have been in the same position to say, God, I guess I have to do this. And that's not right. but can we talk Ben about, we haven't talked about it, about Claudia on The Masked Singer? Yeah, I mean if it's something, I'll just flag it. If it's, let's start to talk about it and like if it's not something that I can talk about, I'll just tell you, but yeah. You know, I'd love to talk about the whole thing because it's fun but like what I give Claudia a lot of credit for and I think, you know, everything I heard from you guys and I know some of the people worked on the show, like they were amazing but I think Claudia and I give her so much respect and applause for at a certain point going like, this is a lot. I've got basically a newborn and we're away from our support system and I'm going to have to bow out. Like that takes so much, you know, self-respect and guts. And I just give her so much credit. And I give Masked Singer a lot of credit for being like, we will find a creative way to honor you in that. Me too. Right. Yeah. A hundred percent. And it's, it's similar though. She, it's funny if I was in her position, which I could never have been because I can't actually give birth to children. But if I somehow was in her shoes, I don't know. I'm a more immature people pleaser and maybe I would have done it. And she is just like a badass that knows not only her worth and her her limits, but but also knows she just handled it so incredibly. Like she went on. She sang two unbelievable vocal performances. She sounded so good. Got her community really excited about it. Got flowers from the judges and then was like, bye. I don't need more than this. I've done everything that I set out to do. I'm sorry if it's not within your system. and to your point, the Masked Singer people were lovely. They were so great and understanding and so it's like a polar opposite experience of what you just had said. But yeah, again, that just comes from knowing, I guess knowing your worth and knowing when enough is enough. Yeah, one of our close friends is a producer on the Masked Singer and she's one of the great people. So I'm not surprised at all that they handled it perfectly And what I am surprised about is how in the dark, our friend who was a producer and Ben and Claudia made me in page because no one was saying nothing. We had to be surprised like you, the lemmings, the public, the morons. We're elite. We want to know things before it happened. I remember Ben calls me. He goes, guess what? Claudia and I were moving out to L.A. for six weeks. And in the back of my head, I said, no, they're not. That's never going to happen. But I was like, okay, I'll play along then. And he goes, yeah, we're going out. You know, Claudia's doing a show. It's really exciting. I go, great. What is it? Ben says, can't say. I go, Benjamin, this is insane. You tell me. He goes, Josh, I haven't even told my parents. He goes, these lawyers have scared us so bad. He's like, I cannot. I said, what's the network? He goes, none of your business. you ever heard of none yet so unfair I wanted to so badly it just yeah we told no one it was just 100% under wraps and it was one of the hardest secrets I've ever had to keep and it wasn't even my secret and then he comes out it's so great to have Ben and Claudia here and they come to the wonderful Shai's birthday It's like, what a gift. It's like we finally live on the same coast in the same city. And, you know, and we have three amazing in-person podcast episodes. And Ben and I are like, we're going to shoot all this Patreon content and all this behind the scenes stuff. And, you know, I'm like, great. Like, I'll start like, you know, setting stuff up for the next couple of weeks. Eight days after Ben arrives, I get the call. Bubby, we're leaving. 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You know, it's funny when you start a show, like when I was on Grandfathered or any, you know, How I Met Your Father, all the shows I've done, the crew or more producer writers will make this joke. They say, you know, in the first year, the actors work for us. In the second year, we work for each other. And then in the third year and everything subsequent, we work for the actor. And I think it's like a shitty, I'm like, yeah, because you started it. And it doesn't have to be that way. And granted, it takes some really smart and forward thinking executives and actors who can be viciously annoying in the worst. Yes. It takes two smart people to be like, if we don't start this as a, as as close to a quasi-partnership as we can, whoever wins in this scenario in a year or two from now is going to make the other pay for it. So let's not set it up that way where I hate you from jump because if the show is a success, I'm going to make you pay for it. And that's when you hear about actors who are in renegotiations and don't show up to set because they're not at the number that they want to be for season five. It's like that behavior is unacceptable too, but they're like, you beat me up for three years. You made me feel like I could be replaced. So now that I know I can't get fucked and that's not cool. Yeah. Right. It's tricky. It's just like, I think like you're being paid to do a job. Like it's, it's so, I know that it's not apples to apples, even though it should be like if, if you have a job and your job is you're paid a hundred thousand dollars a year. And if you don't show up to work, you don't get paid. And some offices, there are dress code requirements. Like you can't wear, I'm even thinking of baseball, like in baseball, but the Yankees, the Yankees are known you can't have facial hair. You can now, but you couldn't before. Okay. Okay. So you couldn't though for the first, whatever, hundred years. And that was a thing. If you want to be a New York Yankee, you have to shave your beard. It's obviously not the same thing as asking a girl to wear shorts, but there is something to the employer employee agreement. And I just think that we should all figure that out. There should have been options, of course, but do you get what I'm saying? And I don't want it to be like misconstrued that I'm not on the side of women not needing to wear something that somebody told them to wear. But I am also just thinking about Broadway. Like if you are trying out for a part and you get it, they tell you what to wear. It's a costume, right? Yes. But you know that going in. So each party agrees to those terms. Sure. So then that's it. So then it needs to happen earlier. Like we need to treat these things as if it's theatrical. Well, but it's, you know, again, with like when you're hosting something like that, you are uniquely you aren't playing a character. You are a version of yourself. And they're asking you to bring all of your things. Like it would be if, you know, I'm sure Colbert, you know, the late night people, like they have a closet of suits that they wear that they're comfortable in. And if an executive came down and said, I want you in a vest. And they said, no, like that's not what I do. And we agree. And these are the suits that I wear. then, you know, it's something you could bring up during a renegotiation and say, we've pulled and data shows people love this. So if you want another 20 million a year, you got to agree to the best. That's where you bring it up. You don't bring it up and say, this is happening. I agree. And I think that it's a perfect fine tuning of what I was saying that these are, you're not playing a part. You're playing yourself. So if you're playing yourself, it's actually, it's funny. And then we'll move on. But like when a brand will reach out to me, I'm sure they do the same thing with you. And they'll give you a creative brief. And they'll say, we want you to make content just like this. There are two things that you can say, which I always say. One is, of course, you're the client. I will do it. That said, it would do much better if you let me do something that was a little bit more authentic to me and my audience. Right. And it's just funny that the brand or the studio doesn't see that if talent is comfortable, they're going to do better versus if they're uncomfortable in what they're wearing. Imagine being on TV uncomfortable in what you're wearing. I'm uncomfortable walking into a room feeling uncomfortable in what I'm wearing. Going to dinner, TV, you're going to put me in something that I don't feel good in. I'm going to perform worse. horrible so just fascinating god such good guys fascinating such good guys we are what are you nuts yeah sure let's do it what are you nuts are gripes with people places and things both big and tall it's josh said whatever is sticking in your craw so true josh super bowl sunday is what are you nuts tell me it should be super bowl saturday that's it great it just great i don't care that Sunday football is a thing. 6.30 p.m. I'm eating my weight in food that I slaved over all day to cook. I'm having people over. By the time they leave, it's 10.30. By the time I finish cleaning, it's 12.30. And you want me to show up to my desk in the morning? What are you, nuts? Put it on, or Monday needs to be a holiday. Make it so that Super Bowl Sunday is always on the Sunday before President's Day. Right, which is next week. And then Monday is a national holiday. That's it. right. You're one week removed. Just do that. No problem. But you need to give people the day off. It needs to be a weekend or a national holiday after something as big and national as the Super Bowl. So true. Wow. My Woody and Nuts is so dumb. The other day. Wow. No, no. I was thinking about it. I'm like, but yeah, but then like, would they be worried that people would be away on three day weekends and then not able to like sit with their mishpuch and enjoy? But you're right. Then just make it Saturday. Just make it Saturday. Why not? Or even Josh, make it Thursday. Make it Thursday night. Make it Thursday afternoon. At least people could have a slow Friday. Don't do any. The worst possible thing is to put it on a Sunday. Oh God. And did I get after it? And I thought I was going to go work out after because I ate my face off. What'd you eat, Josh? What'd you eat? All right. So this was the day of dips and my mother-in-law, this genius, she made a spinach artichoke dip. She made a queso with ground beef dip. Okay. I'm dipping and ripping, baby. I'm moving and grooving. She made a bell pepper wheel that looked like a car. And then she stuffed the bell pepper with with crudite okay and i'm crudite sorry i uh and so we're crushing that then she makes dogs we're doing uh tri-tip amazing pasta salad all the salads it was so good i i i went ham what about you you know how long it took her to make that like bravo she's unreal I saw, oh, okay. So we did like a combination. We did it at Jackie's house. We did a combination of like ordering in some stuff, which like I just wouldn't do again. Ordering, it's just not it, okay? No. I wanted to make everything, but it would have taken me way too long. I made, I made a bunch of stuff this week, but the best thing I made this week was cowboy caviar in a honey chipotle vinaigrette. Cowboy caviar, Josh, is just, it's a vessel. You can turn it into anything. It's literally like beans and chopped peppers and corn and whatever it may be. I made a Greek version. So delicious. This was it. And then we had like boneless wings which were meh. And we had deli which was a little dry. You made a Greek version. It was the same cowboy caviar, but you just put a diner set around it. I love Hero. Oh, it would have been great with some gyro in it. Fuck. The Greek version of the Foo Fighters song. There goes my gyro. Watch him as he eats. There goes my gyro. Oh, that's good. The Foo Fighters need to come out with a gyro shot. The Foo Fighters. That's good. The Foo Fighters. There goes my gyro. Oh my God. The Foo Fighters in the gyro. or if you want to do a wonderful latin version i can be your gyro baby enrique glaciers it'd be amazing oh the gym class gyros oh that's good it is you got a what are your nuts yeah my what are your nuts is okay i'm so stupid So I, you know, I make the kids lunches in the morning. And so we usually do like a little fruit section. So I was like rinsing off raspberries and blueberries, but, you know, I do it in the carton. And so a lot of times I'll leave them in the sink because we have like a grate that lifts it above and it'll just like, kind of like, I'll leave it there for like an hour just so that the water kind of evaporates and I'll, I'll shake them a little bit. Anyway, I forgot to get the berries out of the sink that I was going to put in my kids lunch. And so I wake up the next morning and go, oh, my God, the berries have been out all night. And I thought, fruit lives outside. What are you nuts? What are you nuts? Who cares? Who cares? The fruit is fine. The fruit's fine. It lives. It was born outside. It was. It was born outside. Yeah, put it back in the fridge. It's fine. It's a little bit too soft. Maybe toss it, but it's probably fine, Josh. Sure was. Oh, and before we close, I went to a farmer's market this weekend. We'll talk about it on another episode. That said, I was just like picking things that looked gorgeous. The most beautiful produce. I thought these are such cute little peppers. I bought six of them because they're so cute. I asked everybody, do you guys know what these peppers are? Habaneros. What are you nuts? Too hot. Too hot. You didn't know the little oranges are always habanero. No, I thought they were just like cute little. Oh, no, they're dangerous. Danger. Danger. Scovels. Scovels. You know what else is dangerous, Josh? Not giving this episode five stars. That's dangerous. What are you, nuts? Listen to us wherever you get your podcasts. Rate, review, and subscribe to the pod, okay? Give us a five-star review. Give us a five-star review. And let me tell you, we are going to read a beautiful, positive review every single episode. But we're not talking four stars. We're not talking three stars. It's true. We're talking five stars only. and let it be a compliment, okay? Say something nice. Maybe even mention a moment, okay, that you loved about the show and we are going to read it aloud. Josh, do you have one for us? Of course I do. This one's for Codename Tiny Shoes, five stars. Nice to find good guys, a rare find. Actually, good guys and they make me laugh and make each other laugh. They are topical without being political. They touch on pop culture without being gossipy. I look forward to every episode. thank you so much we love you and i say next episode we roast all of the bad speak pipes we got which are they were abominable this week that's why there were none today and i think we need to show the people what are the ones that are being rejected that we say we love thank you for sending them but they're not great and you're about to get roasted i love it i love it let's roast them roast them up we're coming for you no mondays and thursdays folks we'll see you next time Thank you.