Pablo Torre Finds Out

"You're Gonna Get Me In Huge Trouble": Adam Friedland Is a League Source Now

49 min
Feb 12, 20262 months ago
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Summary

Adam Friedland discusses his meeting with Rich Paul about podcasting, shares stories about internet culture figures like Clavicular, and reflects on how his show documents contemporary culture. The episode covers his Super Bowl experience, his failed SBF movie audition, and includes a call with his father Max who has become a fan of the show.

Insights
  • Internet subcultures and their leaders (like Clavicular) represent genuine identity-seeking behavior among young people, particularly post-COVID, rather than purely superficial trends
  • Rich Paul's expansion into podcasting signals major sports agents are diversifying into media production as a core business strategy
  • Contemporary media's role in documenting culture is shifting toward long-form conversational content that captures nuance over traditional reporting
  • The collapse of institutional trust has created space for independent podcasters to become de facto journalists and cultural commentators
  • Generational trauma from COVID lockdowns, particularly among young people, remains largely unexamined in mainstream discourse
Trends
Sports agents (Rich Paul, UTA) expanding into podcast production and media ownershipLong-form conversational podcasts replacing traditional sports journalism as primary source for insider informationInternet subcultures becoming mainstream cultural phenomena worthy of serious analysisPost-COVID mental health crisis among youth driving alternative identity-seeking behaviors onlineCelebrity/influencer culture increasingly documented through independent podcast platforms rather than traditional mediaRegulatory scrutiny of tech companies (FTC under Lina Khan) becoming mainstream political issueCrypto and gambling integration into sports sponsorships and naming rightsDecentralized media production models (independent studios) competing with traditional broadcast infrastructure
Topics
Sports Agent Expansion Into PodcastingInternet Culture Documentation and AnalysisPost-COVID Youth Mental Health and IdentityRich Paul and NBA Player RepresentationLeBron James Contract NegotiationsFTC Regulation of Tech CompaniesCrypto Sponsorships in SportsSBF/FTX Scandal and Media AdaptationClavicular and Looks-Maxing SubcultureIndependent Podcast Production ModelsSports Journalism EvolutionCelebrity Audition ProcessPolitical Commentary in Sports MediaSuper Bowl Commercial AnalysisGenerational Trauma and Social Media
Companies
UTA (United Talent Agency)
Rich Paul's agency that signed Adam Friedland and facilitated his meeting with Paul about podcasting expansion
The Ringer
Media company where Rich Paul hosts a show with Max Callumman and Bill Simmons about Lakers news
FTC (Federal Trade Commission)
Regulatory body led by Lina Khan, discussed regarding antitrust action against major tech companies
Netflix
Streaming platform producing multiple adaptations of the SBF/FTX scandal story
Apple
Streaming platform producing feature film adaptation of SBF/FTX scandal
A24
Production company involved in SBF/FTX scandal film adaptation
Jane Street
Trading firm where SBF worked as an intern, mentioned in context of SBF movie audition research
Miami Heat
NBA team that had FTX sponsorship on building before company's collapse
MLB
Baseball league whose umpires wore FTX sponsorship on chest protectors before company collapse
Airbnb
Discussed as example of successful tech business model that disrupted hotel industry
People
Rich Paul
NBA agent and LeBron James representative who met with Adam Friedland to discuss podcasting strategy
LeBron James
NBA star whose contract status and potential retirement was discussed as potential news story
Adam Silver
NBA Commissioner discussed regarding league's handling of gambling, crypto, and sponsorship deals
Lina Khan
FTC Chairwoman who appeared on Adam's show and discussed antitrust action against major tech companies
Sam Bankman-Fried
FTX founder whose scandal was subject of multiple film adaptations Adam auditioned for
Clavicular
Internet personality and looks-maxing influencer arrested in Arizona, discussed as cultural phenomenon
Pablo Torre
Host of the podcast conducting interview with Adam Friedland about sports media and culture
Max Friedland
Adam's father who called into the show and discussed his political evolution and sports opinions
Hasan Piker
Streamer whose Super Bowl watch party Adam attended instead of watching the game in person
Tim Donaghy
Former NBA referee whose corruption scandal was discussed in context of league oversight
Lena Dunham
Writer and creator who wrote script adaptation of SBF/FTX scandal for film
Conan O'Brien
Late-night host whose behind-the-scenes production style influenced Adam's podcast setup
Richie Torres
Political figure whose interview on Adam's show was discussed regarding his father's reaction
Quotes
"I'm going to blow it so badly. I talked to you on the phone. You're in LA and you're like I have a meeting with rich Paul."
Adam FriedlandEarly in episode
"You're gonna get me in huge trouble. You can't put your camera on that."
Adam FriedlandWhen discussing LeBron James retirement rumors
"If it goes into a time capsule in 50 years time if someone watches an episode back they'll be like that sucked... that's kind of my thesis."
Adam FriedlandDiscussing show's purpose
"I don't know what it sounds like when your phone is tapped but I'm certainly a bit paranoid about like is that Verizon or is that a guy with 150 billion dollars."
Adam FriedlandDiscussing paranoia about being a league source
"I think he'll go and... I think he's going to do something spectacular. There's a casino in Vegas that has... a rather spectacular ball arena."
Max FriedlandDiscussing LeBron's potential future plans
Full Transcript
Welcome to Pablo Tore finds out I am Pablo Tore and today we're going to find out what this sound is David Stern were commissioner Pablo would be dead Right after the sad Maltese's bunnies they're back, but like a hot person on an escalator going the other way. They're not here for long They're a temporary thrill like those two days you were a morning person or a bank holiday Or that TV show that criminally only got one season or even that 24 hour post where your bum looked out Rageously good some treats you just have to enjoy while they last Maltese's bunnies here, but only for Easter Maltese's and look on the light side. This is your business This is your business supercharged with the help of zero counting software These are your numbers These are your numbers sorted with the help of zero counting software This is you this is you taking business where you want with the help of zero counting software This is your business supercharged with the help of zero and having your numbers sorted all at the same time So you can finally focus on taking business where you want to Supercharge your business today with the help of zero Get three months half price when you switch to an unlimited sim with three That means quick streaming faster downloads and more money to spend on the things you love Join the UK's fastest 5G network and get your unlimited sim today By now in store or see three dot code.uk Unlimited 24 month light plan proof of switching required based on uclus b test intelligence data to age 2025 all rights reserved subject to credit checks and turns Can we talk about your meeting with rich Paul? I mean, it's funny. Yeah, I mean why would Why would I not I mean are you a clutch client now? Are you a member of they are uta? Yes, UTA owns clutch. Yeah, LeBron's agency, which is rich Paul's agency and not LeBron's agency for various This is I don't know what whatever is happening in my life in the last year is hilarious Because I'm going to blow it so badly. I talked to you on the phone You're in LA and you're like I have a meeting with rich Paul I said as a joke to uta when they were trying to sign me and the next time I'm in Los Angeles, I demand a meeting with mr. rich Paul And uh, they were like Yeah, they thought it was serious, but I guess I talked to him about podcasting because now he's going into the podcasting space He's one of us. Yeah, but I think they told him that I was like david letterman or something And he's like tell me about your process your motive and I was like Did he tend to fingers like that? No, he was doing golf in the in the office golf swing with a club like it was like a movie So cool. Yeah, yeah, but then like at a certain point um, he was taking calls like the last 15 minutes We had a great conversation for 45 minutes. I was making him laugh And then I think he'll come do the show so we'll tell the story on the show So I think this should be fine, but then at a certain point I'm like loitering in the most powerful agent probably in basketball's office Certainly the guy who has created the most headlines recently. I think dollar amounts Scott Boris is probably number one so yes, and like Jeremy McGuire the real life of your McGuire least timeberg that's a real guy Jeremy Guire is a guy named Lee Steinberg next you're gonna tell me that Rod tidwell is real Who's that supposed to be? I would guess the rod tidwell was inspired by any number of like Michael Irving types Yes, yeah, if I had to guess loyal loyal guys who want money and next you're gonna tell me the goldfish was real Next you're gonna tell me Renee's L Wicker is a real person Jonathan Lvicki was right the human headways a pounds I saw a picture of him as an adult recently. Can you describe him because I did two? Yo, he's like five two yoked. He's he's clavicular actually he became clavicular. I lost my big friday interview also What happened? He's I charged with two felonies in Arizona. Can you leave the state today? Clavicular a kick streamer has been arrested in Scottsdale, Arizona Here's one big one version that I saw of the Quenkel mug shot and here's another one over here So for people who don't know who clavicular is it's hard to describe him He is a looks Maxer which basically if you're to translate it is what I suppose it's creating an idealized kind of version of Masculinity enhancing one's jaw enhancing one's kind of facial features to fit some sort of criteria that they have for like the best looking guy And it really is a golden ratio like oh, there's like a math and an objectivity to it. Yeah, it's really some of the smarter smartest stuff you can imagine the interesting thing is it's a Audience of men really yes, and so he's not like It's a someone being sexy not for like tween girls be like ooh la la it's someone someone being sexy for guys and then And then the objective is is to kind of to maug another sexy guy and Which way and magging is to I think we used to call it like alpha in alpha in I think they There's probably still do I don't the whole are we pedophiles? I mean like this is just disgusting that we know even any of this You're supposed to come in such a perfect Adam free in the show guest He has been blocked in every corner because like my the first question I have is like Have you ever made a girl laugh with a funny joke and then but that's gesture maxing in that's cope Obviously, that's what I'm doing and now I made me look in the mirror It's like obviously I have bells on my hat. I've been juggling and Tricking these women into him is sleeping with me. He knows exactly what my scheme is right your cortisol was spiking He's right. I had to learn how to be funny to attract the opposite sex And I didn't I could have just been breaking the bones in my face Rather be with a hammer with your fists either or to you know grow your bones and get a more masculine chiseled face Smashed your face in and what'd you do after like you went to the doctor and they reconstructed you or no No, no, no, so it's just small micro fractures and the bone grow grows back stronger Hammer or usually I use my fists so like I'll just lay down to my bed and brace my head so that there's no CTE I saw that he was streaming from his hearing in Arizona. Yeah, like he somehow got he was like Co-streaming the feed from like the correctional everything is like gotten like just Throw a look up, but it's like caveman Like it like a mawgoth is like MMA just the stare down not not the fight part Right is that Everything is just like what if like we just stripped out and all these extra elements behind things that already exist What if we were just in our underwear one inch from each other's yeah Noes tips and stared and and gesture maxed yeah MMA is like what if like we didn't use bombs That's right. I mean from the website bomb fights bomb fights. Yeah, that might be one of the most reprehensible things from our from our younger days, but now everything is bomb fights Everything is kind of bump have you ever seen um these pedophile hunter guys streamers I have it is kind of end of history stuff because they'd to catch a predator a guy And more often than not. It's like a developmently There are cognitive concerns when you watch these videos or they don't have them arrested also They just like throw like a like Like flower or something on them. Yeah, they chase them around I think and they publicly humiliate them and then but but now like rappers will go on the pedophile hunter thing and and promote an album On the to catch a predator stream guy. It's so sad watching it And then the guy hits them. He like he'll like you slap them across the face and he's like you like kids And then like a con will be like locked up. Yeah I was very content not knowing what anything was until I started the show and now I have to like drill into like these different like Now you're hunting pedophile hunters. Well Generally speaking my objective for the Adam Priehlens show is this this is my thesis If it goes into a time capsule in 50 years time if someone washes an episode back they'll be like that sucked like what they like as a document of a culture and you know 2026 that what the fuck was that you know that's that's kind of my On what level do you want it to suck? I wanted to reflect kind of like how you know It to the extent that oh yeah, BBs going on the NELK boys podcast in the middle of a genocide Right like that sucks Like what's what's your message to why it's a lot of Americans don't think we should support Israel at all That means you don't support America because for the terrorists You know what the terrorists are fighting us because they say we're America and America is Israel We have the same free societies the same free values They want to drive us back to the dark ages of this tyranny And Americans would say that I think basically say okay, so you support those who chant death to America Those who want to eliminate America. That's crazy. Oh Oh boy, this is nice. It's a service service So we do it on the full sun pod Thanks Like hyping a genocide on a tranks in lifestyle and chugging and partying lifestyle content podcast Is absurd it's insane You Can you interview me as if I'm clovicular what would you want? How would you have gone about this? I'm gonna hold him to it. I'm still gonna do it But you have to like look at it as a 19 year old, right? Which is like That's what that's the thing is like okay Two things um there isn't a conversation culturally about the collective Uh Trauma that all of us have about lockdown, right? I think uh when we when COVID comes up uh The extent to which we discuss it is a Fauci vaccine Pfizer Um He he was a kid is 13. Yeah, and he was looking at pictures of hawk eyes He's like I'm gonna be the hottest guy on the on the phone. I mean COVID didn't invent the phone But there was only the phone for two years and uh yeah, I think I anecdotally I don't know anyone who died of the the virus thankfully But I know a lot of people who have committed suicide and overdosed on drugs and uh who have You know relapse on drugs and when I think about kids uh, you know How many kids had like unhappy households and then couldn't see their friends at school for two years and Only had the phone so him being a 19 20 year old You know hopefully You know he'll look back on it and it'll be like that's was that was lame as hell But he's made a lot of money from it right and maybe try and be nicer to girls I think when it comes to young people the only way they're discussed in popular I guess discourse is like their genitals and like sex changes and stuff and uh We are living kind of the mean the word cloud around kids in America has Definitely been like pedophiles in like 1000 point font. Yeah, it's it's Trans is kind of dominates the only way that we And no genitals you're right. It's it's it's really genitals. It's there all the way down. It's genitals. I have a cousin who Third cousin who's at Harvard Getting a PhD in child happiness and these are dying the wool libs like uh Like Biden Harris t-shirt kind of people and uh, yeah, he's studying child happiness in places where they lock down where they didn't and He said the suicide rates meant Race mental illnesses night and day and this is not an indictment of the concept of lockdown This is an indictment of the fact that we don't have a broader conversation about yeah fact that kids weren't The world kind of sucked for them. They weren't promised a better future and I think To some extent uh looks maxing is an extension of their uh declaring one's identity and having agency at least over something and also there's a An aspect of it that's a communal, you know, and it's like us ends up be self-improvement and The video that Clivicular is all over my timeline because Admittedly I keep watching the videos. Yeah, he's so hot. Yeah, his cheekbones his hit the the cheekbones. He Shattered into perfect angular shape. Yeah, but the video that I saw which is Haunting is him out in the wild with like his girlfriend. I tried this the other day That what up on me? Yo, you mean I got you man. Yeah, no worries That we've been on your ass as the moment you were streaming since November. Oh hell yeah, dude good stuff A screen photo. Yeah, let's see what man. All right, Ben find the cat at three You know Hitler three two one Hellhiller. Oh my god And immediately like clivicular who is again the sort of like Paragon of this movement the shattered and refashioned face of it. Yeah You sort of watch him realize what happens when he encounters his community right in real life It's a come to Jesus kind of moment I'm like known in Orlando is like the Asian modern. I would have the honor if you could verify me as the Orlando Asian mother Brow Honors honors my I don't know you guys are kind of cringe, bro It's gonna be real, you know Um Kind of cringe. That was like the most good gay thing ever I find it incredibly interesting because every once in a while a new character pops up and you're like oh This is far sickle and I don't want to spend a second of my time thinking about it And then you think about it and you keep thinking about it and he is just In a way that I both understand and also find deeply sad as like very dismissive and condescending to them for doing the thing that they thought they were supposed to do because they do it on the internet But they didn't realize and it's just it makes him now realize oh sh** This makes me feel pathetic It's fascinating because they're they're like a million of these different things that are super famous that you've never heard of and And then you hear of it and you're like Your role in whatever the media sort of like industry is now is somebody who can Engage with all of these characters when I say clvicta is a perfect guess for you. It's like oh you have the ability to both See it in a way that is I would say unsparing but also Clearly I mean you started from a physician of like genuine empathy of like man this Imagine being this kid six years ago. We sucked at 19 We sucked we were awful at 19, you know You know It's fine to suck at 19, you know, it's fine So you missed the Super Bowl because you did a socialism stream See this stuff is ruining our lives. You used to know woody page used to get points for your And I don't understand how to Tony reality was tough but fair But sometimes it seemed a little bit arbitrary. I was sitting on our lives used to be nice You have you have gotten to have meetings with rich Paul Yeah, yeah, and I Spent six hours on a couch and it was a beautiful welcoming couch With Hassan Piker on his switch stream watching the Super Bowl and by that I mean holding up my phone And watching it on my phone on mute because He didn't care about the Super Bowl And I should have known that when I said hey he was in New York He was like let's finally like get together and I was like What if we did something during the Super Bowl and then he asked what time is a Super Bowl And I still decided to do this and so I imagine that's on me explaining Going on the Hassan Piker stream to Tony imagine explaining to Tony. Okay. Yeah, what's the stream? What do you mean he's a communist? But he has big muscles. Oh, so he's some sort of wimp right no, no, he has big muscles But and you were watching on your phone. Oh, I know a colon was there. I know him from the meetings. Of course. I know for the That's right Thanks. Oh god Felix was there too. Yeah real sports fan Well, he knows MMA. Oh my god. Yes, he spoke he talked about MMA at length and I was I was outclassed by by him. Have you seen Felix's documentary Fighting in the age of loneliness. Oh my god. It's like When he did with John Boyz the uh, it's uh Like yes, the one is yes. Yeah, I didn't I didn't connect that that's I'm such a I am a poser now. I'm like yeah sitting on this couch with these with your with with stars and your wing of the internet and realizing oh my god. What kind of couch? Was it a casting couch? So you missed the game uh Drake may really the left side of the line did not protect him Who was that on the left side of the line will Campbell? Yeah, they were just getting is destroyed. Yeah, bad Really really bad. Yeah, you missed they did some sort of Spanish halftime I couldn't understand it, but the guy whoo He was a real looker They're lady Gaga and Ricky Martin though big fans Yeah, I was talking to corn hyzer yesterday and I was talking about the Washington Post and all this stuff and I was reminded that he refuses to ever stay in an Airbnb He's the best. He's like why would I want to do it in someone else's best He's the best he's like couldn't even begin to comprehend it blows my mind. That's a why that's a company It's the best company ever think about it. We're gonna have a we'll have a hotel. Oh, uh, where everywhere Oh, yeah, but like it'll cost a lot of money to like clean it and stuff. No, no, they do that for their Gonna do it. Yeah, or we make them pay us more. Yeah, well, we'll need like a A bunch of people like to manage it. No, no, no, no, no one will need four lawyers in Palo Alto and like a couple tech support guys Well outsource that It is the it's it's sinister how good that is it's it's it's the only thing tech is made that's good It was not even good your girlfriend wants to go to main. It's ruined. It's ruined our lives You Maltese's bunnies they're back, but like a hot person on an escalator going the other way They're not here for long They're a temporary thrill like those two days you were a morning person or a bank holiday or that TV show that Cremantly only got one season or even that 24 hour post where your bum looked out Rageously good some treats you just have to enjoy while they last Maltese's bunnies here, but only for Easter Maltese's and look on the light side Get three months half price when you switch to an unlimited sim with three That means quick streaming faster downloads and more money to spend on the things you love Join the UK's fastest 5G network and get your unlimited sim today By now in store or see free.co.uk Unlimited 24 month light plan proof of switching required based on uclus beta's intelligence data to H 2025 All rights reserved subjected credit checks and turns this is your business This is your business supercharged with the help of zero accounting software These are your numbers These are your numbers sorted with the help of zero accounting software This is you hi, this is you taking business where you want with the help of zero accounting software This is your business supercharged with the help of zero and having your numbers sorted all at the same time So you can finally focus on taking business where you want Supercharge your business today with the help of zero So What was your favorite part of the Super Bowl? I don't know the Bobcraft commercial Do not listen to that anti-submissive some commercial. That's right. Yeah, uh, we did we worked hard on it Uh, yeah You know directed it no, Woody Allen Did you know that oh God, I saw that the commercial sucked. I mean the blue square alliance. I posted one. I saw I liked it. I was like I'm gonna support Adam he needs us in this moment Um Well, it was a bad one. I mean last year was kind of bad too because it was a blowout We haven't had a good one in a while. It wasn't good I do want to point out though that the Bobcraft stuff it made me think of like A character that you talked to me often about Is your dad? Yeah, yes What does your dad think of you and this is very proud of me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, finally Finally, my dad loves this show by the way. I'm bringing it up. Yeah. Yeah. He's in the Pablo Rodzi the the manila mob he's a he's workshopping Ha Team Pablo team Pablo team back out. Yeah, back out cut that um that was a pretty good bill of pino I saw team pack. Yeah, I was going cosmic bowling once at the Sun Coast casino in Las Vegas And I saw a bunch of guys wearing t-shirts that team pack. Yeah, I mean it was pretty awesome. It was them. Yeah. Yeah They were out there um My dad really hates the clippers so you uh Yeah, and he's like and but he says something crazy to me He's like it's not just the Republicans that are bad at him. It's all of them Because uh, I guess the connection to the uh Obama administration You made my dad realize I've been arguing for 38 years with him that it's all bad And now his favorite you're the favorite son apparently no yeah, he would be very flattered to hear this You had the best take though on my reporting david sternward commissioner Pablo would be dead What do you think about that? You sleep of the fishes Yeah, I mean after all sir are they gonna Finally they're gonna open it up. So this will come out on Thursday, which means that we'll have dropped our sequel to the Seventh part so we'll drop part eight on Tuesday and we'll see if we'll see What's the most paranoid you've gotten? Just when you're talking on your phone and you're like someone's breathing in the way Well, just like I don't know I don't know what it sounds like when your phone is tapped But I'm certainly a bit paranoid about like is that Verizon or is that yeah a guy with 150 billion dollars It's me Tony That'd be so cool if he tapped you because he cared he just wants to make sure you're okay He does care about me. He is worried about me. Who's gotten the most pissed at you? I guess thus far one of them is Jordan Hudson The Lachax girlfriend who threatened to sue me but hasn't yet and also wore a t-shirt with I saw orchids of Asia Did you see a Port noise Quotuite no, he's like this not today. I mean look the Bobcraft stuff is It's all the Epstein stuff too like his lawyer for that was recommended by Jeffrey Epstein Guy Jack Goldberger. Well, you're not a lot of a lawyer You My my dad has a some medical stuff in my sister Searched the Epstein emails and he was talked to a friend of his that has the same thing and he's like go see this guy is the best doctor At Cedar Sina he's amazing. Go. Yeah, he's taking notes on the medical advice. Yeah, I mean I mean, it's we should really view it as more of a resource right a web MD what if the Epstein files were also Crowdsourced with MD Yeah, no, I I would imagine yeah, I well, I had Lena Khan on the show. Yeah, she's the show. She's the best you have the richest owner in sports matter you she has Every one of the richest companies in the world matter her I love her for that reason if nothing else She's Register though, right like I was like did have you ever listened that song many men by a 50 cent She was like no, I was like never mind. I was gonna go for a joke there But they wish death upon her But I I said to her I was like, you know, there was an op at every single day in The Wall Street Journal the post like the FTC chairwoman psycho pat you know, like just trashing her um and everyone was like what the f*** the FTC like you know and I asked her I was like did you ever clap back or like you know what was your response and the thing that was most impressive about her was like It wasn't as if like no, I'm above that, you know like I'm you know I don't play like I don't go low, but it was more like What it was like no, I have to win the lawsuit, you know So I suppose like that's kind of that's kind of a should be a lesson to you is like I don't know I'll just do another You know do another tattles hail podcast how dare you yeah the tattles the problem the I'm gonna give her a catalyst none of this feels good None of this feel good that your guys are the tattles. I love that I wanted I want to know I wanted I want to know what advice Ridge Paul wanted to know from you speaking of tattling about Podcasting he wants his show to be more like a show So he hosts this show with Max Callumman for the ringer and Bill Simmons. Yes, yeah, it's the way it's shot It's like two chairs totally black soundstage. Yeah dramatic lighting and rich Who I had never seen talked this much before yeah is basically tattling on the lakers All the time you listen your lakers it's you TA family But he did say he's like what like you know like how could it differentiate more And I think he probably met production value wise because I think he saw clips of the show and he was like Oh like the Adam Friedland show. He's like oh, this is like something similar um Did you did you start there was a moment where he paused and or we got off a call because the last 15 minutes I was just like trying to say goodbye and he kept getting calls and And I was like I'm loitering in a man's office. This is We had like a great chat before that um, but he did He did just look at the tv and he goes oh college basketball sucks I don't know if I'll get in trouble for that. No, it's a fair take. Yeah, yeah, it's a fair take um But he was he did you get the sense that rich Paul was mocking you when he was uh doing his Well, he should I mean like I How important of a client am I to the united talon agency for them to have Done that I don't know I think the agents didn't realize but But uh did you tell him how was it was a cool style? I mean if you your corner office guy one day like golf swing in I did do something actually similar. I saw a behind the scenes uh thing about Conan And he was in the writer's room with a guitar like a kuse guitar And they were like pitching him jokes and he was like a noodling and I do have I do that uh with my staff You're Conan maxing. Yeah, yeah, I Conan max. I was thought it was really cool Yeah, I love the setup that you have. I mean not only did you build the dick cabin set like it's your Truman show But the backstage area is like It's you and your squad and you're like working the boys. Yeah editing shows. Yeah actually caring about making this good. Yeah Well, you don't want to do just another podcast, right? I mean I'm sure it's the face of this is like how can we not do yet another show where sports takes Are the entire premise? Yeah, yeah, so you're like how could we just maybe more gossip? Being about scoop troupe scoop troupe scoop troupe the scoop troupe. Yeah, the gum shoes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah The yeah the clue shows. Yeah The no there has to be a better name for your guys. We're up to the whistleblower Well, well again, we'll continue to workshop. Yeah, but you're but the whole thing with with you is that I was laughing on the phone when you told me that you're meeting with Rich Paul because you're also like the most underpentant Kobe stand that I know Did you discuss? No, you did not no, I didn't but I I said to him Oh god I can't say this is so funny like why like It's it's absurd that I found myself in this place in life just I think genuinely speaking I remember when I call you with the Kobe Memorial thing. I was like yes, and I said I have league sources now Is this are you league sources and I'm like wow, this is so cool. I Mean no no things now. I know things. I know a lot. I know you do. I know where the bodies are buried Yeah, you know where my body would have been buried and you know where some actual bodies are buried No, they would have like framed you for something you would have been wrongfully accused Right or it I mean like the Tim Donahy thing right like he was about to go in with a wire and then Elite right the whole New York Post thing. Yeah, yeah, they would think about how somehow the Tim Donahy's the handle got Scooped by a New York Post article that has since Very I would say coincidentally been mentioned as helpful to what the NBA was trying to do Do you think that like um obviously in the 1980s it was kind of the third of the major American sports is that right? decidedly yeah, yeah, yeah football Baseball the NBA. Yeah, had there not been a stall in this kind of a leader right Who knew where the bodies were buried do you think that the profile Larry O'Brien? I don't think was burying nearly as many Yeah, people allegedly. Yeah, do you think that like that that's what it required? Well, I think the big difference with the NBA right now is that Adam Silver and this is sort of like everything Where there's like a lot of money on the table if you want it yeah, and it's in the Middle East. It's crypto. It's gambling shit points. Yeah, all of it all of it like crypto calm arena, you know like all these naming right the crypt Yeah, FTX was on the roof of the Miami heats building It also sponsored the MLB playoffs, right? The MLB umpires had FTX on their chest protectors. Yeah, I know you know I was up for a role for To play Sam Bergman freed in what uh my opaque I didn't sign an NBA did I know did you did you I worked really hard? Yeah, I auditioned. Yeah, yeah Oh, wait, so how did you prepare to play SBA? I worked so hard I knew a guy at Jane street that sbf was yeah was a He was his intern when he was there like as a college intern I like worked really hard on it And I was so nervous and then the funny thing is like you're a auditioning to play one of the ugliest guys in all time Right, like so So that's that's a in and of itself hilarious and then I got to the It was in person which they don't do anymore post-COVID most of it is you're taping for when was this this was a couple years ago. I guess this was a Two years ago, maybe I don't know What happened with Phil Seymour Hoffman's son, but then I think he dropped out and so I don't know they can hit me up Whatever to they hit they called a rich Paul and they said do you have anybody in your stable? They said my body was was too up buff to to play either wasn't Can you unbreak your cheekbones actually it was it was beyond parity because the I don't know if you've seen a sbf's real-life partner, but she was I have she was uh You know she was and I would say she's probably you know not the best But they got this the actress was already cast and she was gorgeous It was like so funny But I get there. I see all these other actors and like most of them look like me and I'm like My adrenaline's pumping and I'm being super obnoxious and like we're sitting there in their silent like nervous actors And like for me, I don't care about acting I'm like you just know the words you say the crap and then you you know whatever and so I'm like Oh, it's pretty funny. We all look kind of similar and they're like haha and then one of them is like are you that I love the show And I was like that's right you fucking actors like you know I'm from a youtube Jewish style long form talk talk yes, that's right You know who are you and I'm assuming they're like students at T-shirt or something right? I'd like not In my mind, they're like these are some schmucks and so they all go in for the audition And it's just me and one other guy and I'm like really just just extra obnoxious and I'm like And I look at him and I'm like hey like a You like you do this kind of thing a lot and he's like yeah Sometimes and I was like have you ever like been the main guy before in a movie and he's like the main guy And I was like you know like the oh yeah the lead and he's like yeah, but you wouldn't of uh See my face and I was like oh cartoons and he's like no, I'm you know I'm you know the planet of the apes movie that's in theaters everywhere right now. I'm the lead in the new one And I'm like oh shit and I'm like well this guy doesn't look Jewish And then it don't it dawns on me. I'm like he can play a f***ing ape This guy can do anything I'm screwed. I thought that they were like nobody's yeah, but and then I'm like oh yeah These guys are all probably very successful That ape had range man. Yeah, that ape really had range. Yeah, do you remember what any of the lines were from what you prepared? The casting lady was like a serious like uh, she like cast like succession and friends I'm sure and everyone's like she's made people cry They're like you know, and I'm like they're like I'm like, but they're not even in the movie. They're like she's she's you better get ready And uh, she was really nice and then I talked to her for a while about it And I was like first of all like where is this monologue happening in the movie? And she's like oh like that's a great question because I read the full script I'm like it doesn't I didn't see it anywhere and she's like uh You know, we had this written for the audition just uh, and I was like yeah, but the character changes throughout the movie So it's like what at one point like uh is is this indicating like uh? You know and she was like yeah, no one's asked that question. So that was I guess good But everyone I guess uh Yeah, I was in there much longer than everyone else probably because I was being annoying because you started podcasting Yeah, I know I was like I was like yeah, I talked to the the guy that uh was his boss at Jane street actually And she's like oh you took this very seriously. I was like you know I was like I was like how long is this gonna take because like She said is this gonna take she's like yeah, it'll be in like China and like all over the world and I was like It would have been so funny if I got cast one time for one movie and played the lead and was just the worst actor of all time ever And then just never acted again I think that would have actually been like really awesome, but uh, I don't know if they're making this movie I don't know if I'm just gossiping about things this entire episode that I'm gonna get trouble for you're you're a scoop trooper I am looking this up and it does I mean there's plenty reported about Who they get for who they recast after After a Cooper Hoffman Oh boy, so did leena Dunham wrote the script the adaptation no is Someone's all are are there multiple projects oh so I so this was like the ashden kitchens And not the Michael fastbender one I think this is the same one I mean, uh maybe they're okay, so there's a Netflix series as an apple a 24 movie It's for a feature yeah, yeah, the Says that lean to don him as of oh, that's why I didn't get it I love you and I'd love you to come on the show and on we were very immature boys on come town And we shouldn't have said after Hillary Clinton lost the election in 2016 that we're looking forward to Your public execution cut that please You're gonna leave that in no cut that leave that in I love girls have you seen that show the show girls yeah, I watched All of that she's a genius. 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Maltese's, look on the light side. I did enjoy watching you do stand-up though. Oh yeah! Speaking of being out in the world and like, You're at that show! Yeah, that's a friend Joe Mandy, friend of public tour, I find out Joe Mandy's show. Yeah, what do you think? Pretty much the best stand-up in America? Legitimately, it was really good, man. Yeah, and if you want to see me live, I'm going to be a... When's this coming out? Is this coming out on... At this rate? Not. Never. No, no. We have nothing. So far. So far. I'll be in Philly this month. I'll be in Portland next month. And I'll be in LA in May. For the Netflix is a joke, fast. Wow. All right, so what do we got? Let's really break something huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. LeBronz retiring. Shut up. Who told you? I just hear things. I just hear things. I'm going to get in trouble. You can't put your camera on that. No, he's not retiring. I asked Rich. Yeah? Did you really? Was this the whole setup right now? Yeah, it was. I can't, dude. You're going to get me in huge trouble. You didn't ask Rich that, did you? No, I didn't ask. Okay. I said, when are you going to get wins as a soul going to get out? But by the way, that has been, since we talked, and I said to you, it kind of feels like LeBronz retiring, based on information. There's been lots of signals, like they've basically been... Well, they said... What's he in with the premise? Deforesing the Lakers. That's what I heard. All I've heard is that he's splitting up with the Lakers at the end of the year. That seems likely. Yeah. Okay. What do we got? We got nothing today. That's not true. We had a... Clavicular. SBF. SBF. Rich Paul Golf Swing. That was cool. That was good. Yeah. Your dad being proud of you. He is very proud of me. What was the turning point? Friendship with me. Yeah, no, no. I think I just make something that he can watch now. I used to pedal in a gross humor that... Did your dad ever listen to Come Town? Yeah, I would get it grounded every time. I'd be like, I don't even live at home. I would adhere to the grounding. Of course, I wouldn't leave my room. I couldn't see my friends that weekend, but you know, was, you know, I'm 32, Dad. How am I grounded? What did your dad think of how the Richie Torres interview came out? His heart monitor went off a couple times. I think you had to show him the s*** of us. Did it have an agenda? I really did. Is your son going to call you? It's not my number one time. It's your son. It is your son. It's not my number one time. It's not my number one time. I was not elected on his... You don't get elected in his self-wrong. No, I'm trying to make you feel bad. No. But I just don't think you know what you're talking about. We call each other Hitler. That's just dinner. That's our family. Okay, that's fine. But about a week later, he had consumed all of the recap content. And he saw that the Barry Weiss people were calling me a copo. And he was like, these people are hypocrites. You know, it's a co-op the language of the show. This is exactly what they accused the other side of doing. And it was kind of like, don't f*** with my boy. And yeah, it was a very beautiful kind of moment. That is legitimately heartwarming. My pop... No, my pop is very proud of the show. Yeah, end you. Well, we can call him if you want. I would love that. Would you? Yeah, please? Yeah, okay. We called Corn eyes at the last time. No, I mean, he'll do a better job on the show today than me. He didn't... Corn eyes or didn't pick up. But we'll call dad. I do it a lot. Your dad's name is Max? Yeah, Max. Okay. My... He can tell you all about sports if you want. Seriously, he was at the Gibson Game in 88. High fly ball into right field. She is gone! He was at the Dodgers. Yeah, that's great. He was there. I was a baby. Well, ask him what he thinks. I don't know. Can you hear? Yeah. Hi. Pa, I'm on... I'm on with Pablo Torre right now. And he... He just wanted to say hi. Because I told him that you liked his episode about the Clippers. I enjoy all these shows, actually. You watch all of them? I'm not... What I don't know. I can't... I can't kind of guarantee it. But I've watched a few of them. Quite a few of them. Really? Thank you, Max. There's a lot of content we're putting out. A lot of episodes. I really love that you pay attention to what we do. No, I... Thank you. I... I enjoy your playful... attitude towards it and the guessing games and... the secret documents and the closed files. And... And... And magnifying glasses... That you give them, you know, you have a whole bunch of Sherlocks on your shirt. Yes. Sherlocks. Sherlocks. Okay. There's something in there. We've been like trying to find a nickname for his like a... Stan's... His fanbase. Pablo. Yeah, we got to come up with... He's Stanbase. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had scoop troupe, but we're trying to improve that. And Sherlocks is a good one. Scoop troupe? Where are you? The supermarket? I'm in the supermarket, I'm checking out. You're in the van again, you're at the beach scamp. Which is delightful. What do you buy? I'm buying... I bankrupted the family at Costco this morning. Where do you get? Speaking of clubs. I was a little... I was a little compulsive. Oh, I haven't sent the computer yet. I've noticed that, Adam. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sending it to... I'll send it today. I'll get my guy to send it. Okay, you're... Pablo, good work, my friend. Well, what? Terrific. Or by what? There's a lot to write about in the sporting world. There's a lot of controversies. Yes, there is, Max. Do you think LeBron is going to retire? LeBron is going to... If he leaves the lakeers and do... I think he'll go and... I think he's going to do something spectacular. There's a casino in Vegas that has... I don't think it's ever going to get bought, but had planned it to a day... A rather spectacular bath at ball arena. And what I understood was that he had a very much... an interest in that project, and that he would want to... finance either a new league or a new team for Vegas. So, I don't know if that's just speculation, because I live here and everybody thinks that Vegas is... other things like cheese. I don't know, but... That's what I heard. Well, Max, Max, Max, did you know... Did you know that your son had a meeting with Rich Paul? Did he tell you about this? I heard that. I'm not quite sure what came of it other than... Nothing. Pretty much nothing. Mostly this podcast that he's doing with me. My feeling, my feeling is... that... do you stay clear of that? You can report on it because it's dramatic and it's certain newsworthy. But... So, I shouldn't mention that I... I had that meeting on a podcast. Well, you guess you can if you want to... Okay. ...to have a meeting in the appropriate context. Well, I think it was appropriate. I think it was totally appropriate. So, what do you want to show for you just having lunch? I'm on a show right now. Yeah, he said... You said that Rich Paul told him that college basketball sucks. You're... You're live to tell you... If you want to, if you want to, I just... I told him that... that you're a big fan. And so, he wanted to say hello. Oh, that's terrific. Well, lovely meeting you this way. Well, Max, Max, I wanted to say that Adam told me something very sweet. Which is that, despite years of him trying to radicalize you into a member of the dirt bag left, you finally saw something about the Democratic Party that we exposed here in public Tori finds out. And I love that we were able to do something in terms of your political evolution that your son, Adam, who is once again the John Stewart of our generation, was not able to do. I think there's an element of... Oh, stop it. Oh, stop it. I saw the celebrity in besmirching my family name in public. I will give him that. I'm not besmirching anything. And I didn't... You want to know just how for a cut to tie him at the moment? What? What? Tell us... Standing in front of the lookouts, singing the jig. And I can't find myself out. Oh, because it's in the... It's in your hand. Oh, you got to pay for the groceries. That's funny. Oh, that's funny, Bob. Oh, that's really good. That's funny. All right, okay. It's terrifying for me. Oh, it's... You got to see in your moment, Dad. I had... I definitely had a senior. All right, I love you. What do you think of that? Superbowl. Boring, no? I thought it was boring. Yeah. I did the blue square, Dad, to stop anti-semitism. I saw that. And by the way, it was politically brilliant because the... The... The Zionist will think, I mean, it's finally come home. Yeah, yeah. That's why I wanted them to think. Two guys will think that, you know, Oh, one for the team, you know? I don't know what team. The Nazis? Okay, I love you, Dad. I love you. Okay. Max, thanks for joining Narc Nation. Narc Nation? 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