Attacked By 12 And Shoots In Defense; Wilson Combat's Custom Guns; Buying An Unneeded Gun: Hour 1

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That's why we call this gun talking. You can be a part of that. Just give me a call. 866-TALK-GUN or Tom-Talk-GUN. Same number, just different ways of finding there. Confession time, a little bit later, I'll tell you. I bought another gun that I didn't need. Yeah, real surprise, right? It was in the gun store, and it was a good price. And so I said, no, I'm not going to do that. And then the next week, I'm back in there, and it's still there. That's all I needed. So, we'll get some details on that. Yeah, I really needed another pistol. Another 1911, right? Like I never had a 1911. A lot of things going on. We're going to have a report of a couple of gun store employees who got jumped and mugged by several people. Didn't turn out well for the several people. So we'll have really some good information on that. A lot of things going on, some special guns being offered, some limited runs. We'll cover that, as well as some things you could do to your guns to make them better. A lot of things going on. But of course, if you have a range report, did you go shooting this week? Did you go buy a gun? We'd love to hear about that. Just give me a holler, and we will talk about that. Now, I mentioned just a second ago that I bought another 1911. Yeah, I got a lot of them because I like them. It probably is my favorite platform. And in the world of 1911, there are names that stand out. There's one out there that, you know, if you ever shot much with pistols, you probably at some point have done what is called the bill drill. It's just a simple drill that you do to test and work on your shooting ability. Well, where did that come from? Well, it came from our next guest, Bill Wilson from Wilson Combat. Joining us right now. Bill, thanks for being here. I am so glad to have you. Well, thanks for having me on, Tom. You bet. I mean, for those who don't know, you really were one of the pioneers in competitive action pistol shooting. You tinkered with stuff. You were like one of the very top shooters in, you know, USPSA and IPSIC and founded IDPA. And in the process, like a lot of competitive shooters, you said, you know, I need a better gun. But unlike a lot of people, you said, well, I'll just build it, right? Yeah, that's pretty much how it happened. What made you think that you could build a better gun? Well, I grew up in a family that ran a jewelry store for 53 years. My dad was a watchmaker and he wanted me to take the jewelry store over. So to appease him, I went to watch and jewelry making school. And a lot of the skills that I learned, especially making clock parts and things like that and jewelry, you know, were skills that could easily be transferred over to working on firearms. So that's kind of why I figured I had the skill level to do it. So then I had to learn, you know, I had to get the knowledge. And I was so fortunate that Jim Clark Sr. and and Mon Swinson took me under their wing and helped me on the knowledge side of it early days. Yeah, Jim Clark Jr. the first civilian to win the National Pistol Championship at Camp Berry. And then of course, became the ultimate gunsmith, pistol gunsmith, operating out of the Shreveport area. We knew him, knew Jim Jr. and know the family. And for those who haven't put it all together, that's part of the family of Jerry Michalik and Kay Clark Michalik. So that dynasty just continues that that's a pretty good lineage. Absolutely, they're great, great people. They're always always very helpful to me as was our Mon Swinson, who's kind of the godfather of, you know, custom 1911. Yep. All right. So what is and a lot of people know the name Wilson Combat. If they don't think a look at that wilsoncombat.com, you make really, really fine pistols. Primarily, I mean, people know you for the 1911. You've got others and we'll talk about this new one you just introduced in a second. What is it that makes a really good 1911? Because I mean, you could buy a 1911 from $500 up to $15,000 years come in, you know, toward, yeah, what, three to six ballpark? What is it that makes a really good 1911? Oh, well, the first thing is build it with really high quality components. You know, every component in a 1911 that we build is either fully machined from a forging or fully machined from a piece of bar stock. We don't use a single casting or men part in any of our guns. So that's that's one of the big differences right there. And then, you know, holding tight tolerances where, you know, it doesn't take a ton of fitting to fit them up really, really tight and real good because the more material you have to remove by hand, the more chance there is that you can get something out of spec. So we try to make our components where they're just a few thousands extra material so we can, you know, get a real perfect fit, but not not get anything, you know, kind of cattywampus, you know. You also got to have some really good people that know how to build these things because there's still handwork involved. Oh, yeah, a lot of a lot of handwork on the 1911 side. And we're fortunate we've got some extremely talented people, you know, some of them that that have been with us, you know, over 40 years. So we got a real a lot of depth and experience, you know, of our of our gunsmiths. And they're just, you know, really good people just found our mostly just good old good old country boys that's got lots of hand skills and got a lot of knowledge about how to build guns. Just up there in the Ozarks and northern Arkansas and building guns. Yeah, right in the heart of the Ozarks. All right, so I got a question for you. What have you got against hogs? Because you kind of like to shoot hogs, don't you? That's kind of my passion in life. This is the hog and and they're great. Now that I've been the bullet in ammo business so heavily, it's just a great place to test product. Oh, sure. Yeah, we're testing product. That's what we're doing. Yeah, I've been doing that for years. I can write off guns. So why not? Why wouldn't we test product on hogs? I like it. For those who don't know, you build some really good ARs, but also you got into the ammo and the bullet business with Lehigh. And so you're all over the place. You got long guns and handguns and suppressors and ammo and bullets and custom work and you can people can send their guns to you. But I want to talk about this new gun that's actually kind of the Xperia Elite double stack. It's new, but it's kind of a throwback. Didn't you kind of have something like that before? We had the original Xperia, which we're still making. And basically the difference is the original Xperia was pretty much just a fixed side iron sight gun. And it had their standard frame with no enlarged magwell and had a different texture really than what we do on some of it now. So we built this what, you know, in in-house, we call it the wide slide. But, you know, it's basically a slide that's got our new pin system for mounting a red dot, which will allow you to mount almost any red dot on the market directly to the slide, you know, without a without an interference plate. And and then the real tasteful magwell that's very functional, but it's not too big in my opinion. And it really gives a good grip for people with larger hands. You know, my buddy Ken Hacklorn has been here the last few days and he just fell in love with this gun because the distance between the bottom of the trigger guard and the top of the and large part of the magwell just fits his hand perfect. And he said, I never had one I can get such a good grip on as this gun here. And this is designed and built as primarily as a defensive or a carry gun. Would that be right? Well, I would say it's more of an all-around gun. I mean, it's it, you know, they make a they're going to make a great range gun as well as as a carry gun and and it's large enough to be a service pistol with it needed, you know, that that use, right? That we need to use it for that. So what's the thinking behind this when you you looked at the market and looked at everything you made and you said, there's a hole here we got to fill. What was the conversation like to come up with this? Well, I mean, as you know, you know, 2011, you know, design pistols are pretty popular now. And, you know, with 2011 based on, you know, a platform that was originally designed to be a 45 auto. So it uses a long magazine, which is pretty problematic, you know, with a 9 millimeter. And that's why we did we designed our Exxon platform based on a proven magazine. We basically built a gun around the magazine, you know, and so we feel like we have a better mousetrap. And, you know, some of the 2011 had some features that some of our Exxon's didn't. And so we've kind of covered our bases on that now. You know, I think, I think this new Xperia Elite, you know, is a better is a better platform than than the 2011. And I know it is for reliability. Okay. You know, I challenge anybody that makes the 2011 to test their gun against tires with a thousand rounds of PMC 147 flatpoint American Eagle and see who comes out on top for function. You sound like you've done exactly that. Well, it's the hardest, but you know, factory load there is out there to feed. I mean, if you're if your gun will will reliably feed federal 147 flatpoint American Eagle, you can pretty well be assured that it'll feed any hollow point in the market or anything else, because that ammo is loaded to way too short with a really blunt bullet. You know, I don't know why federal loads it's a daggum short because I mean, if they just lengthen the overall length a little bit, that stuff would feed a whole lot better. But it's great for testing guns, great for testing guns. And if Bill Wilson says that, I believe, and this new one carries your standard accuracy guarantee an inch and a half at 25 yards. Oh, yes. Yeah. They'll tell easily, they'll easily do that with with quality ammo. They won't, they won't do that with some of the, the, especially the imported 115 grain, not the medical metal back. Yeah, the chief practice ammo is just not that good. Yeah, that means some of that stuff won't shoot three inches in the most accurate 1911 they ever built, you know, wow. Okay. It's Wilson combat.com. Take a look at it. It's called the exterior elite double stack. It is the latest and greatest from Bill Wilson and Bill. We love to see what comes out of your head. I mean, we got to get you back on here when we've got some more time. Okay. One last one last thing if you'll give me one, one more minute here. Yeah, go ahead. Stay tuned. We're launching a totally new design handgun on the 26th of the month on April 26. Watch, watch for that. You're gonna be surprised what we bring out on on April 26. You talk about a totally new type of handgun for you. Totally new design. Thanks. Thanks. Sheet of paper gun. All right, Wilson combat.com. Check it out and you can follow them on Facebook and everywhere else. You can follow us. We'll have the news as soon as it breaks. Bill, thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. You have a good one. All right. You too. You take care. All right. Orton, break the news right there. Didn't I know that? All right. 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Whether it's new guns, training tips, gunsmithing, competition shooting, self-defense or gun rights news, we cover it all. Visit guntalk.com. That's guntalk.com. Oh, I follow up. We just had Bill Wilson on from Wilson Combat. That was fun. You talk about an icon in gunmaking as well as in competition. I mean, early shooter for Ipsick shooting, action pistol, he created the IDPA concept, the competition, the organization, the whole thing. He was right there making it all happen. And then of course, kind of redefining what a high level 1911 was and is. But he was talking about this brand new Xperia Elite Double Stack pistol. And I know we, I didn't get it out there, but on the website, it looks like it's $39.99. Call it $4,000. And that's kind of about where Wilson Combat pistols are. And it's, for a lot of people, his guns are aspirational. That is one of these days I would like to have kind of thing. I've always wanted to have a Wilson Combat. And then people finally get one of them, go, yeah, okay, yeah, it's that good. Yeah, lived up to its billing. He, at the very end, he threw out, they're going to have a new pistol, blanks you the paper, pistol, they're going to be announcing April 26th, I think he said, yeah. I know a little bit about it. I'll throw one here now, I'm not supposed to talk about it, but I can just tell you this, you're going to like the price. Let's just say it that way, okay, fair enough. All right, speaking of price, I go to the local gun store, and they got a pistol sitting in there and went, whoa, what's that? And they have used guns and consignment guns and thinking, huh, that's kind of cool looking 1911. What does that get out? It's a Dan Weston specialist, and that's a model they have. And it's the black version. They've got chrome and they've got black. The black is more expensive. I'm looking on their website right now. If SRP on it is, man, they've gone up, man, everything's gone up, 3,200 bucks for a Dan Weston specialist, and it's in 10 millimeter. And I'm looking at this one, yeah, okay, well, it's one of those deals to be careful when you shoot your mouth off, because I looked at it, that's nice. You know, let's look at the prices. That's actually a pretty decent price. That's an attractive price, but I got 10 millimeters. I don't need another 10 millimeter, right? And I have 1911s. I don't need another 1911, right? Sure. So I don't buy it. I don't, you know, just that's fine. Thanks, guys. So I come back the next week. The dang thing is still there. And I'm talking to the manager and we're talking guns and this and that, and I'm looking at that. And I said, yeah, you know, we're in a small area, small town, not a lot of people, probably not a lot of 10 millimeter, maybe not a lot of 1911 guys, you're going to have trouble moving that. He said, what do you think? We're too high. I said, yeah, I think probably, you know, I said, look, you know, I would be interested at blank and named a number. Well, stupid Tom. He said, well, let's just get that written up. Huh. So I, yeah, bought it, brought it home. Without shot it, holy cow, does that thing shoot nice. And then I got two more than I just sent in because we're doing some stuff with Dan Wesson. I got the DWX compact. Holy cow, is that a nice pistol. And I also got the, what do they call the guardian? It's a commander size, 1911 with the rounded butt. They don't call it a Bob tail. I think they call it a rounded butt. It's one of those features that you see on carry guns a lot. Have I put a lot of rounds through either one so far? So I don't have a full comment on them other than to say they both shoot really well. The, well, both of them are spectacularly accurate. The DWX feels different. It's called the love tile between a CZ 75 and a 1911. It's kind of a cool gun, double stack nine. The guardians double stack nine commander. I am, and I'd like to get your thoughts on this. If you have experience with it, what do you think about the rounded butt or Bob tail on a 1911 grip? Supposedly it's done so that it's easier to conceal and does a print. You don't have the little part sticking out of the butt. I'm not convinced that's such a big deal. It may be more of a style issue. I also am unsure whether it affects the grip. I need to shoot it going back and forth between that and another one. I'm still making up my mind on that. I think shoots like a house of fire, but I only have like four magazines put through each of them and I would never trust a carry gun until I had probably, I don't know, 300 rounds through it. I mean, I hear people say different things. Well, let's just pick a number 300 rounds and I would like to, and sure there's a breaking period on guns, but I would like to have like the last 100 rounds go through without any issues, no feeding issues, nothing. It just runs smooth. And of course I looped them both up to get them going. So, you know, that's pretty sweet. But man, you know, it's just nothing like a really good, well-built 1911 or a 1911-ish gun, which makes me interested in whatever Bill Wilson's coming out with. That's going to be fun. Just a lot of cool things. And the 10, well, it's a 10, you know? Like, what can I tell you? I like 10s, fair enough. All right. So this thing happened in Austin, Texas, oh, a little bit ago. Two employees from a gun store get jumped by a bunch of people. They have been as many as a dozen. We'll get the details in a few minutes here. Didn't end up well for the attackers, but as we always know, there's an aftermath to everything. That'll be coming up shortly. We'll have that before immediately when we come back. You can join us right here by calling 866 TALK GUN. I'm Tom Gresham, and this is Gun Talk. Hi, this is Gun Talk, where we always are asking the question, what have you been shooting? Or maybe you bought a gun recently? Yeah, I did. I bought another gun, I didn't need. So what? Big deal. Add it to the list. We talk about self-defense with guns a lot around here because it is and always has been the number one reason that people buy and own guns. In every survey ever done, the answer is always self-defense comes up number one. Well, and then we have these examples. None of us wants to end up using a gun self-defense. None of us wants to shoot somebody, but we have it because somebody else made that happen. Joining me right now is Michael Cargill. He's been a guest on the show here a number of times. He is, of course, the owner of Central Texas Gun Works, an Army veteran, a firearms instructor taught more than 50,000 people. They're acquired information about security material and CCW down in Austin, Texas. Hey, Michael, welcome back. Awesome. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you having me on today. You bet. Okay, so look at this story and what holy cow, that's Michael. Does this thing, you just had two of your employees get involved in a self-defense shooting. Why don't I step aside and you could explain what happened in the circumstances. Sure, absolutely. So it was Friday night and my employees decided they were going to go from a restaurant to another establishment to enjoy themselves. So they pulled into the parking lot and just before they actually pulled into the parking lot, there's a group of people apparently got into some altercation inside this business, this establishment. So they were trespassed and kicked out of the business. So once they were kicked out of the business, my employees pulled into the parking lot and ran into that group that was kicked out of the business. And so unbeknownst to them, you know, that there was some type of confrontation, these people thought that my employees who were in the parking lot were part of the group that was responsible for them getting kicked out and decided to attack them while they were in their vehicle in the parking lot. And so somehow the employees ended up out of the vehicle in the parking lot and it turned into 12 people attacking two of my employees and it was just something to escalate it really fast. And to the point that they got my employees down on the ground, started bouncing on them, this lasted for quite a while, about a minute of them being attacked by 12 people versus two on the ground. My employee thought, maybe these guys are trying to kill us, you know, one employee had several fractures in his face, his skull, he had his eyes closed, he had broken ribs because of being pounded on the ground. My employee looked over at him and thinking, man, they wouldn't stop. He said, he told me, he said, Michael, they just would not stop. You know, it kept going and it kept going. He said, I couldn't get them to stop. And so he had no choice but to pull out his gun and stop them. So yeah, 12 on two. And if this is one of those happenstances, people say, well, you know, if you leave it, lead a good life, you know, you're not going to need your gun. Well, these guys just pulled up into the parking lot and it was mistaken identity where these other guys thought that your employees were part of the problem they just were dealing with. They get jumped out of nowhere. So you got a 12 on two deal and then one of your employees pulls a gun and shoots, I guess, kill one of the attackers. Correct. So one person is dead, there are several injured. And to me, it's going to be totally justified because, you know, he was in the, you know, his mindset was they're trying to kill us and it just wouldn't stop. And he looked over at the one employee had been knocked unconscious on the ground, still being stumped by six other people while he's on the ground unconscious. You know, at some point, you know, it's got to give. So this just happened two days ago. Yes, that's correct. Well, what's the situation with your employees? I know one went to the hospital, the one who ended up shooting, what's his status with law enforcement? Right. So they both wind up in the hospital that night, both of my employees. So they're both out of the hospital now. And one is actually in the county jail currently because just because of the nature of the business of things, you know, there's a shooting, multiple people are injured. So, you know, with all the confusion, because the confusion and the reason I stepped in, the reason I made a statement about this is because everyone was saying that my employees were inside the bar and they absolutely were not. So we have to confirm that with security camera footage and everything. My guys had never stepped foot in that place. My guys were in their vehicle. That was the key. They're in their vehicle. This started while my employees were in the vehicle, just pulling the parking lot. They never were part of that group that was inside the bar. Michael, you've taught this stuff for years and years and years. You taught the Texas law on self-defense with guns and where you can go and where you can and when you can and when you can't shoot and what you should do. I mean, you know this stuff forward and back, which probably is well or better than anybody in the prosecutor's office over there. What is your take on this? I think it's the nature of the business when you're involved in a self-defense shooting and this is going to be Travis County, the liberal Mecca. And so, you know, their thing is fine. We're just going to charge this kid with murder. We're going to lock him up, take him to jail and you know, and push him to the system and let this go to the grand jury and let a grand jury decide whether or not to either invite him or no bill him. That's what happens in the liberal city knowing that he knew immediately that he worked at the gun store because he had on our shirt, the uniform. And so, they knew where he worked and everything. So that's why I came out and made a statement because everybody's going to know. And so, if I didn't say something, then people will wonder, well, why didn't you say something? Michael always talks on the news. How come he's not saying anything? So, you can see there, you're damned, I do or damned, I don't. Yeah. And I heard people online saying, well, gee, I'm not sure I'd want my boss coming on that. Well, this is not just your average, everyday boss. You are a public figure when it comes to guns and gun rights in Texas and self-defense and teaching people to use guns. So, as you say, it would have been kind of odd and actually would have made a statement if you hadn't made a statement. It would have been a very big deal if I hadn't said anything about this at all, that people would be very skeptical and it would be a worse situation. You know, because I'm the two-way, you know, I'm a two-way person. I'm the person who's beaten the United States government and the United States Supreme Court. I'm the one who's won a case against the Austin Police Department for defamation. I'm the one who's won a court case against the constable, a sitting constable, elected constable for defamation in court. I beat every court case that I've ever had. And so, for me not to say something, being a two-way person and this person is a direct employee of mine would have been a really big deal. Something's up. Why is he not talking? Okay, let me ask a question here. And there's not going to surprise you this is coming your way. Given everything you just ran out and all the interactions you've had with local law enforcement and suing and all the rest of it, could your employee be taking the brunt of this because of how they feel about you? That also could be a possibility, you know, but he's been treated actually quite well. Okay. He treated great. We have a great legal team, wonderful legal team that have actually visited him. We're just waiting on, the system has to work itself out. So, there's a process, 72 hours, you know, before you can see them, you know, they have to see a magistrate and stuff like that. So, the timeframe in there. So, everything that's happening is pretty normal. And I told him that, you know, I told the employee, you're going to be arrested, you're going to go to jail. You're going to sit in jail for a couple of days. You're not told in this, you know, because I was able to make it to the scene. And so, I'm, you know, I'm falling in with all this. This is what's going to happen. Don't be surprised, you know, so you're, you know, I want you to expect this. So, that's just how the process works. Yeah. And it's, actually, a good thing for everybody to understand. Look, if you are in a self-defense situation, you end up using your gun in self-defense, it's, look, the police roll up and somebody got shot or maybe somebody got killed. Their natural reaction to that is somebody's going to get arrested and then we're going to let the prosecutor's office, the DA's office sort it all out. But on our side of things, we're going to arrest somebody on this. There's no in the world that, you know, one person's going to die, four or five people get injured. They all wind up in the hospital and someone's not going to be in handcuffs. The people, that's not, that's not reality. That's not how the world works. It's just going to happen and you got to know that. And, you know, it goes to the point you talk about having good legal representation. I have become a strong believer in making sure you've got some kind of program with one of the organizations to have some kind of legal protection. What do you think? Absolutely. You would be crazy to carry a firearm in this country and not have some type of legal plan. You're expected to defend yourself, to protect yourself, you're expected to protect your family. But when you do, you dial 911 and then you hang up that phone, you call your attorney and let your attorney to be the one that talked for you to law enforcement. You exercise your right to remain silent. Yeah. And that's not saying that you're guilty or anything else. It's just saying, this is, these are my rights. I have my rights and I'm going to exercise my rights. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And part of you not giving them the details that they need, which, you know, you're caught up in the moment, in the hype, your blood pressure's high, you just shot the one, maybe experienced something they experienced before in your life. You really don't want to talk in a timeframe like that. That's not the moment of time to actually start talking. You want to shut up, close your mouth, zip it, and exercise that right that's written in the constitution. Are your employees going to be okay? Are they physically okay? Yes, they're going to be fine. You know, they're going to heal. You know, I got one that's taken, you know, quite a few days off, you know, he's going to be fine. We're taking good care of and making sure that we're making sure he's eating and, you know, getting the medicine, pain pills and stuff like that, you know, to be taken care of, you know, because, you know, these guys, I love these guys. These guys take care of me. And so when they're in need, and I'll make sure I'm going to take care of them. All right. The story of Central Texas gunworks right there in Austin. Are you like downtown Austin? Where are you located? Not too far from downtown, between downtown and the airport, you know, right on the bend right here between South First and Congress. I know right where you are. I get down to Flugerville, a good bit. That's where my daughter lives. So I know the area. Absolutely. Thank you sir. Appreciate it. And like I always say, you know, more guns, you could let less crime, go out there and buy yourself a gun. There you go. Michael Cargill, thank you so much. Appreciate you, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you. You have a great day. You too. Well, there you go. That is about as close to first person, you know, self-defense situations you're going to get with Michael running it down. People say, well, why is he speaking? Well, we just figured it out. It makes sense. And also, as he said, he's been involved. He's won Supreme Court lawsuits. He's won number of these. He is a 2A guy, as well as being a, you know, a concealed carry instructor and a gun guy. Talk about happenstance. Wrong place, wrong time. You could call it that. I just say, look, stuff happens and you don't know where it's going to happen. And it always happens fast. If it didn't happen fast, you could get away from it. People always say, well, it happens so fast. Yeah. If it happened slowly, you would have left. That's just the nature of the beast. These folks get kicked out of a bar. They got trespassed and said, okay, you got to leave. You can't stay here. They're ticked off at somebody, probably got into some kind of fight or altercation inside the bar. Go out there. They see these two people roll up and they think they were part of that earlier group, misidentification. It doesn't make any difference if they jump you, grab you, pull you out. I'm not sure how they ended up getting out of the vehicle, pull them out or whatever happened. When they start beating you, and we now we have the videos of this from all over the world, and they throw you on the ground. And typically what happens is they start kicking and stomping. Now you're breaking ribs and fracturing skulls, which is what happened in this case. You are moments away from being killed or suffering life changing injuries. That's the very definition of when you can in fact legally use lethal force to protect yourself or someone else. And people will say, well, you know, they didn't have a gun. They're beating them. They're breaking ribs or stomping on their head. Nope, got no problem with that. I don't have any inside information on this other than what Michael told us and what the news stories say. I think probably this employee is going to be okay legally. If you got any thoughts on this, give me a call. We can talk about it right now. 866 Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. As you put on your gun each day, and I hope you do, if you don't, I'd love to know why. It's like, well, you know, I live in a safe area. Well, these people lived in a safe area. Well, you know, I'm never out late at night. This was like 830 in the evening. They just gone from a restaurant going to another restaurant. And maybe they were going to a bar, but in Texas, they've got laws about that. And I guarantee you these folks knew what the laws were. And we're going to take care of that. Whether that meant leaving a gun in the car or whatever. The point I'm making, I guess, is that it happens everywhere. It can happen to anybody. And I'm always amazed at people who, for whatever reason, shrug it off and get, yeah, but I'm not going to carry a gun. Okay. I don't understand it, but okay. I'm going to depend upon what? I mean, seriously, what are you going to depend upon for your safety? Your phone? Really? Assuming you could even get to your phone, if you get jumped by 12 people, you won't. Assuming you could get your phone and call for help, when's it going to get there? Five minutes? Are you willing to let 12 people beat on you and stomp your head into the concrete for five minutes? Maybe kill you. Maybe blind you for life. Maybe put you in a wheelchair for life. Hmm. Because of why? Seriously. Because of why? Why did you decide, I'm not going to kill you a gun? Guns are easy to carry now. We got a lot of easy to carry. I mean, even if it's a snub nose revolver, it's worthwhile. It's useful. Probably would have stopped this. Generally speaking, when one or more people attack somebody, as soon as somebody shoots back at them, they stop attacking, just almost always. So you don't necessarily need the latest greatest. I mean, I like to have the latest greatest, you know, 42 megashot, nine plus six, whatever it is, millimeter thing. But you know, what are they? What are the odds? Well, the odds are small. You're going to get attacked. But you know what? They aren't zero. The odds are never zero that any given day, you're not going to be the victim of a crime. Hmm. If it's not zero, what actions are you taking to say, okay, if this low percentage thing happens, and now it's a very high percentage that I'm going to get hurt or killed, or maybe my child is, or maybe my spouse is, what are you prepared to do? Just, you know, it's a philosophical question, but it's also a very real practical question. Yeah, I just throw it out there. I mean, look, you do you, I'm going to do me. All I'm trying to do is encourage people to give it some thought and go, hmm, wonder what I would do in a situation like this. Eight six six talk gun. I'm top Gresham. This is gun talk. Well, I just can't face the face with the reality that you get rusty at stuff. Shooting included. Where I live, we get a lot of snow through a good bit of the winter, and it's difficult to get out to shoot. In the winter, I'm a two hour drive each way from the nearest shooting range. Yeah, two hours each way. As a result, I don't get to shoot a lot in the winter. Now the snow's gone. Now I get to shoot. And we were out the other day and shooting several different guns. It was a reminder of how rusty you can get with a, now we're talking layoff of a few months, not a lot, but imagine if you're a person who only shoots once a year and goes out and shoots a couple of boxes of ammo in your head. And this is what I find in my head. I'll put it back to me. I'm as good as I ever was. It's all there. It's all in my head. What I'm remembering is the last time I shot and how good I was or mediocre, whatever, but you know, whatever the level is. And then you get the gun out like I did and go, huh, there's those old bad habits again. Look at those shots going low and left. You better concentrate. Oh, look, you're not recovering very quickly. You need to grip the pistol a whole lot tighter. You have a loose grip on that gun. You've just gotten sloppy. I just throw it out and say, look, I probably have shot more than a lot of people. I certainly shot more guns than a lot of people, different types of guns. It's the nature of the business of 50 years of writing about guns. When they come out, I get a new gun to try or get invited to media events where you're trying a lot of different guns or for the TV programs that I produced, directed and hosted. I mean, we would have ended up opening up a cardboard box full of pistols that had never been shot, turn the camera on, start pulling them out and start shooting them, and you got to be able to handle every different kind of gun and try to shoot it well. And if you're tuned up in practice, you can do that. Boy, I tell you, you talk about your perishable skill. Wow. And there's just, it doesn't take very much, as you know, only too well to have a bad trigger press and it throws your shots off. And it's like, well, I got to pay attention to the details here. I guess what I'm saying is that take advantage of the fact that you're not as good as you think you are. That sounds weird, Tom. What do you mean take advantage? You know what that means? That means you get to go shooting. Take advantage of it. Because shooting is fun. Go out and do some more of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know people say ammo is expensive. Yep. It is. And when you need to make that shot, when you need it more than anything in the world, trust me, you're not going to care how much you spent on ammo practicing to make sure you can make the shot you need to make. People say, well, how hard is it to hit an attacker? Well, I don't know. Because I don't know what your situation is going to be. I don't know if they're going to be one foot away from you and a huge bulking guy or 20 feet away from you and hiding behind a loved one. And you've got to make a shot. I don't know. You don't know. Why not train to be the best you can possibly be? And oh, yeah, by the way, have a lot of fun doing it. Because remember that secret weapon we have? The secret that we tend to not share for some weird reason? The secret is that shooting is fun. I love getting out there with my friends and you shoot, I shoot, we'll compare groups, we'll do this, maybe, maybe offer thoughts to each other. Maybe sometimes you're thinking, I don't want to hear anybody else tell me what I'm doing wrong. I got to work on this myself or maybe even go take a class somewhere. Our numbers 866, Tawk Gun or Tom Tawk Gun. We're open lines. Give me a holler. We'll talk guns.