So True with Caleb Hearon

Mary Beth Barone Returns

66 min
Feb 12, 20262 months ago
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Summary

Mary Beth Barone returns to discuss personal growth, dating dynamics, online culture, and her upcoming Netflix special. The conversation covers her evolving perspectives on relationships, the pressures of public perception, and her experience hosting the Golden Globes.

Insights
  • Comedians are increasingly using podcasts as platforms to process personal philosophy and challenge cultural norms around relationships, marriage, and social expectations
  • The experience of being a public figure creates a unique psychological burden where part of one's consciousness exists perpetually online, affecting sleep and mental health
  • Gratitude practices and therapy are becoming normalized discussion points among content creators as tools for managing the mental health challenges of visibility
  • There's a generational shift in attitudes toward traditional relationship structures, with younger creators experimenting with and publicly questioning monogamy, weddings, and conventional partnership models
  • Publicists and media gatekeepers are increasingly seen as obstacles to authentic public discourse, with creators advocating for direct, unmediated conversations
Trends
Mental health transparency in comedy and podcasting as a marketing and authenticity toolRejection of traditional life milestones (weddings, monogamy) among high-profile creators as a cultural statementGrowing backlash against body commentary culture and the normalization of discussing appearance changes onlineSubstack adoption by content creators as an alternative to TikTok and traditional social platforms for deeper audience engagementIncreased scrutiny of publicist behavior and media management practices by both creators and audiencesDating app culture and Grindr being used as comedic material and social commentary platformsGratitude and mindfulness practices becoming integrated into public personas and podcast contentGolden Globes and award shows being reimagined as entertainment platforms rather than traditional celebrity events
Topics
Mental Health and Therapy in ComedyOnline Persona vs. Authentic SelfDating Culture and Relationship StructuresBody Image and Social Media CommentaryMonogamy vs. Open RelationshipsWedding Culture and Social ExpectationsPublicist Ethics and Media ManagementContent Creator Mental HealthGolden Globes Hosting ExperienceSubstack vs. TikTok Platform StrategyLGBTQ+ Dating and Community CultureGratitude Practices and MindfulnessCelebrity Perception and Underdog StatusPodcast Guest Selection and Audience BuildingFat Suit Controversy in Film
Companies
Netflix
Mary Beth Barone has an upcoming Netflix special releasing in 2026 that she's preparing for
Instagram
Discussed as primary platform for posting content and receiving unsolicited comments about appearance
TikTok
Mary Beth deleted her personal TikTok account due to mental health concerns despite still posting clips there
Substack
Platform Mary Beth transitioned to from Patreon for audience engagement and bonus content
Patreon
Previous platform Mary Beth used before migrating to Substack for subscriber content
Grindr
Dating app discussed as platform for comedic interactions and gay dating culture commentary
Amazon Prime Video
Streaming service where Mary Beth's show 'Overcompensating' is available
Booking.com
Travel booking platform mentioned as sponsor for vacation planning
People
Mary Beth Barone
Comedian and podcast co-host discussing her career, relationships, mental health, and upcoming Netflix special
Caleb Hearon
Host of 'So True' podcast conducting interview with Mary Beth about her life and career
Benny Skinner
Co-host of 'Ride the Podcast' with Mary Beth; discussed regarding guest selection challenges
Nori Reed
Comedian whose satirical content with Caleb about white men has been misinterpreted by right-wing outlets
Kylie Kelsey
Collaborated with Caleb on Super Bowl bingo event in San Francisco
Bill Clinton
Referenced in context of Monica Lewinsky scandal as formative memory for Mary Beth's generation
Brendan Fraser
Referenced regarding fat suit in 'The Whale' film in discussion of body representation
Quotes
"The best things are yet to come. When I am 90 years old, looking back on my life thus far, the things that I will be the happiest about and most proud of have literally not even occurred yet in this moment."
Mary Beth Barone
"I have a deep love for gay men and I feel that you have a deeper love because you don't have to date them."
Caleb Hearon
"What if we fall deeply in love and no one ever gets to do anything to us ever again except each other? And what does it say about this current moment that we're in that that feels radical?"
Mary Beth Barone
"My opinions are your opinions. What I say is true. And it's how the people who listen to me feel. I speak for everybody."
Caleb Hearon
"I have a mind that I can trust. And that doesn't mean I'm smart. I mean, I have a mind that isn't playing voices that aren't there. It isn't telling me lies."
Mary Beth Barone
Full Transcript
Wave. But I do think that I'm starting behind the eight ball, as they say, with people. I'm constantly winning people over. I'm not starting with, people are not coming into interactions with me presuming positive intent. They're presuming negative intent. You mean to tell me that you genuinely identify as an underdog? Unfortunately, I would say in this current moment. Do you ever get worried? You're like, well, that's the last funny thing I'm going to say. No. I'm worried about not being funny on this. I get so sad because I know that the funniest things I'll ever say haven't even happened yet. That's really powerful. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what? Actually, one of my meditations for this year is the best things are yet to come. and what I mean by that and sit with every single morning. There are a couple of things I sit with every morning. One of them is when I am 90 years old, which I will be, looking back on my life thus far, but when I'm 90, there's so much left to do. Totally. The things that I will be the happiest about and most proud of have literally not even occurred yet in this moment. Wow. They're all ahead of me. They're in tomorrow, next week, next month. It really puts things into perspective. Well, it doesn't even matter if it's true, by the way. Right. You just have to tell yourself that in order to live. living a happy life is about the lies that you tell yourself and it's a beautiful and important thing about the delusion 100 and i'm happy to be delusional i also tell myself every morning that i am a loving person in a world that loves me back and that one's beautiful i believe that that one's sweet for you i don't believe it for me but which part you're not loving the world doesn't love you back what do you mean why would you say that you have a beautiful charmed life for now are you practicing enough gratitude marybeth i practice gratitude i could i could definitely practice it more and thank you for calling me in on that i'm calling you out it feels like it felt like in in that moment it's in for sure i just i think i have a lot of gratitude i just wish that like i wish i felt joy more uh i'm working on it in therapy yeah yeah what are what is how is that going like what is gonna be the solution we just started last week we just started talking about it that's something i've been aware of for a long time though yeah well so what did you say when you brought it up to your third? Like, I'm not joyful enough. Well, I think it was more like when good things happen, are you able to really like internalize that? And I was like, well, no. Yeah. Is that something people are doing? Yeah. Wait, hold on. Were people internalizing joy the whole time? Cause that's not something I have been practicing. Certainly not. No, but gratitude. Yes. And I think, I think it was really important for last year to end for me so that I could start this new chapter of 2026. And then I found out today that egg shop in Williamsburg is closing on Sunday and I'm thinking like, what else, you know, like what else could go wrong? Egg shop. It's an establishment in Williamsburg. Delicious little breakfast spot that I go. I used to go with pinky all the time, my dog. And now it's closing forever. And I don't know why. Did you want egg shop? Please reach out and let us know what occurred. DM to me today and told me a twink DM to you. I can't imagine how much that happens to you. It's it's relentless, but I wouldn't have it any other way. That's something I have gratitude for. Do you know what's so funny? You're getting a million DMs a day from twinks. I'm getting a million DMs a day from straight guys and lesbians. What are we saying? We need to. We have to figure this out. Yeah. Well, the lesbians are all barking at me and hitting on me. I mean, the way that lesbians objectify me is actually like, it's approaching problematic, but I find it so beautiful that I'm not willing to report. And yeah, it's getting really, really dangerous. I do feel that someday I'll be killed by a lesbian who wanted me so bad that they had to like take me off the market. If they can't have you, no one can. It will be like that. It's the vibe that I'm getting. I have, there are lesbians, every time I post a cute picture of myself trying to like garner interest from gay men that's like outside of the realm of Grindr, you know, sometimes I want to be, I want to be lusted after on Instagram. Of course. Every time. It's just 17 million lesbians asking where I got my sweater. Mine, and just to, here's what I think. I think we could, together we could change the world. That's what I'm saying. Because my DMs, as I mentioned, twinks and bisexual girls. Yeah. So we've covered, we've covered the entire spectrum. spectrum yeah and once we're ready to activate mobilize i think they'll be ready but i hear you it's like my thirst traps when i post them i'm not it's like gay guys saying mother love by the way and i want that yeah but it's no straight guys saying mother well you don't want the straight guys to say mother although that is what they want most straight guys i know i know they want to be mothered but you have to figure out how to make you have to figure out how to position yourself as mother without them knowing. Yeah. It has to be sort of an inception situation. Yeah. You have to be both a mother and wife. You have to be both Madonna and whore. And whore. Exactly. And I'm ready. Put me in coach. Are you? I think so. So what we're working on this year is finding a new breakfast spot, experiencing joy and being both Madonna and whore. Yeah. And I'm open to being a Madonna and whore for a woman. I'm, I'm sort of, I'm sort of down for whatever. I think if you were Madonna and whore for a woman, it would be incredibly progressive and turn everything sort of on its head. Well, and that's what I'm trying to do with both my standup and my personal life. Yeah. How is that going? And how is that showing up for you? Standup is good. I'm practicing. I'm practicing. I love saying I'm practicing. I'm practicing standup right now. Yeah. And it is a religious practice in a lot of ways, but I'm doing my Netflix special on March 19th. So I'm trying to get, get all my reps in and tread the boards as they say. Yeah. And we're always saying that. Just so I feel really prepared. and you know I'm sort of I feel like preparation is it pays off yeah and I just thought of that yeah that's really beautiful and you just came up with that on the spot even yeah do you remember the last time you came on the show we we sort of continue to get in trouble for talking about pit bulls you and I'll bring it up again I don't care I don't care fuck them I don't I would say oh we got in trouble for a lot on that I don't know if you saw that the pro gun Instagram people TikTok Twitter found that we said that if you melted every gun yeah you would never have another They're shooting and they're like, you can build a gun. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, okay. It's some of this stuff gets sent to me. I deleted tick tock a long time ago and I am not participating at all anymore. I'm not participating at all anymore. I'm out. I'm off. We clip this, put it out. Dear media clip this. So you're not posting like even for the pod? No, I'm that's I'm I Caleb I'm off. Okay. Caleb, the internet guy presence is still there and managed by Virginia. Thank you, sweetie. I love you. So the videos go out, but I'm not reading it, watching it. I can't be involved. but I have heard tell that we have once again, there's two clips that right wing outlets love to like spin up with me. Yeah. One is you and I talking about guns and I said that we should melt them all and there'd never be another shooting. They hate that. They think I'm an idiot, which is fine because I said, I can't believe these two can vote. Yeah. And they're revolting. And I think that those people like they're legitimately so many people in right wing online circles. There will be a change in the tides eventually where it's not a right wing despot in power and it'll be someone like us and they're in big trouble. They're in huge trouble. And then Nori, Nori Reed and I, there's a clip that goes like right wing viral every week of us. We could, you can't imagine two comedians talking more facetiously. Right. We're talking satire. It's over their heads. So jokingly about being happy that our dads died because they were white men. I think at one point we literally say every time a straight white man dies, a trans person gets their wings. Like we're talking so, and right-wing people foaming at the mouth like these fat blah like they're so mad so one thing i wanted to bring up since you just mentioned that you are still posting clips of the podcast on tiktok but you personally are not on there i've been trying to i've been explaining my friends why i'm having trouble sleeping lately and it's because so i don't know if you've ever felt this and maybe not on tiktok i have felt it and it's keeping me up at night yeah you're not i'm tossing and turning yeah i feel like you know how the ai singularity thing or maybe it's not ai but just singularity in general is like when we've uploaded like our consciousness to the cloud and we don't have use for like physical form anymore. I feel like as a person that's on the internet and trying to like be a public figure or whatever, I feel like that's sort of happening already. Where like part of my consciousness is existing all the time on the internet. I'm never sleeping on the internet because like your content is constantly being interacted with, commented on. It's like you're living a whole life on there. And it's like it keeps me awake now. and so I feel like we're sort of like inching towards that and it's really scaring me and I want my physical form like as much as I abuse it and I hate what I look like, I want it still Do you hate what you look like? Sometimes, most of the time Oh wow, I find that very surprising You're so beautiful I'm surprising you a lot today Wait till I start hating on you I'm looking forward, it's really tough when beautiful people hate the way they look It really brings my audacity to light You know what I mean? because I am beautiful, but I'm also fat in a society that hates fat people. And so the fact that I genuinely go through the day being like, God, I'm hot. And then to hear that someone who gets to be so thin, it can dislike their appearances. Well, God, Mary Beth, it just makes me sick. Well, and that's why I wanted to come on the podcast. To talk about thinness. To just talk about thinness and how it is actually really hard. Yeah. And it's a tough thing you're going through. Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah, I can understand that totally. I mean, the number of people, I've lost like a little bit of weight recently. not trying just sort of something that's happening and people are really sounding off about it i i i don't know if i'm allowed to say that i noticed okay because i'm perceptive and i'm always i'm clocking people's tea everywhere yeah yeah my tea's been clocked yeah you can't you can't pull some shit like that and think that i'm not gonna notice i'm not gonna notice a change in appearance i'm gonna notice i'm noticing but i'm not gonna comment on it unless it is brought up in a public forum like on a podcast and here we are so are people asking about if you're on glp1 not asking telling me people my d i would say every time i post a picture of myself lately it is and i really want this to stop this is like beyond inappropriate and not something i enjoy uh just many many many people being like really disappointed that you're on ozempic i am not on ozempic i don't believe in that stuff unless you need it for a medical reason I'm not interested in it. I am just like, yeah, I'm it's yeah. I'm really, really annoyed by people's. We still I just feel like we have this conversation so often, like a million different ways about how we shouldn't comment on this stuff. Yeah. And people just feel so emboldened to like talk about your body in a way that I'm like, I don't understand it. It just yeah. There is a disconnect between people who find it like to be one of the worst things you could possibly do to someone is to bring up their parents and then people who just feel like it's open it's open season to just sort of talk about it yeah i mean i i don't yeah i it's hard because there are of course people whose bodies i would love to comment on of course that's an that's instinctual that's innate animal commenting on people's bodies of course but not publicly not publicly not to them hello that save it for the group chat i'm in private being like she's gotten busted like hello people need to utilize group chats if you're about to post something Hello. Look into your camera and say this because I know you're about to give a word. If you're about to post something, if you're about to start a discourse, please send it to your group chat. We don't need it. We actually don't need to hear it. We definitely don't need to see it. The comfortability people have with putting their face as the, what are you doing? Say it. What are you doing? Say it. At least send it to the group chat first and see if you got it out of your system. Let's just see what the response is. Yeah. See if you feel better. Maybe you get four laugh reacts and you go, that's a good day. Sometimes you know what you can do? And yes, four laugh reactions is incredible. Yeah. Especially for a normal person. Especially if it's a five person group chat. Please. Yeah. And I just think you can even record, you can go so far as to record the video. Type out the Instagram story. Yeah. You don't have to post it. Yeah. Let's just, let's just pull back a little bit. I can't tell you the number of times that I type out Instagram create mode, which is my canvas. and Instagram create mode is my canvas. It's where I feel most special and most locked in. Instagram create mode is actually a place where I can play. And it's a place where I show up fully as myself. You know, William Shakespeare's Quill Pen. Yes. It's like that. That's my Instagram create mode. But the number of times I do an Instagram create mode, like screed and I go, I'm going to post this on main. And then as I'm typing, I go, it's close friends. And then as I'm typing, I go, I'm going to send this to seven people specifically because close friends is an area where I actually can't even play that much anymore. No, because you can't trust anyone. You can't trust anyone. And also I've put too many like, I used to at least be able to talk about my love life on close friends. I can't do that because I have lovers on there now. Yeah. My lovers are on close friends. And that's exactly where they should be. That's where they should be. But you think I can talk about, I want to talk about what's going on with my roster right now. I can't do that. I've got lovers on there. No. And I think what you just described, the idea of thinking I'm going to post this publicly, then to close friends, then you save it for the group chat. Good mental health indicator. Yes. And good judgment. Wellness. It's wellness. Wellness. And I think that I'm happier bringing this to the podcast because I think more people need to understand the life cycle of a thought. It can be just that. Yeah. And also think about your lovers. Imagine that every lover you have or whatever want to have is reading the things you're posting. I can't. I'm just amplifying. I can't. There's nothing to add to that. I think we should be using close friends to communicate subliminally with the people that we have crushes on. currently sort of famously I don't have a crush on anyone so my close friends is truly just my closest friends and my family yeah that's beautiful and they're seeing pictures of my dog days before I post the same pictures of my dog on yes which is the privilege of being close to you I messaged a guy in Grindr the other night he like tapped me gonna give a little interest alert and I messaged him and I said look I I know that we're gonna hook up tonight but I just want us both to promise we won't fall in love. And he, we like joked around for a little bit and then it was like super late. And I was like, okay, we're not going to hook up tonight, but we are going on a date next week. And I do feel randomly like, look, is there a chance this is my husband? I have a problem where I over identify with the meet cute. I have a lot of meet cutes in my life and I over identify and I go, this has to be my husband. Now this is my chance, you know? And how do they, I guess it speaks volumes about someone based on their response to a DM like that. Cause can't we just have a little fun that's the thing is i'm i am being silly on grinder and not a lot of not a lot of people enjoying it well i don't think people yeah i don't think of grinder as a jovial place but i'm being silly in a way where i will fuck you you know what i mean you alone could change the culture i'm trying to change gay guy culture i want gay guys to i want gay guys to have more fun you know i and i want straight guys to have more fun i'm doing bits with them i actually was thinking of you the other day because not that you've done this but so many of my straight girlfriends would be like oh you're so lucky all the good guys are gay and i'm like have you i love and appreciate that mentality but until you've had to go on a date with a gay guy until you've had to agree to some of the things i've had to agree to in conversation just to get asked like i have to agree there are women i've never even heard of that i have to agree our mother and like it's not it's a nightmare it's not different than talking about baseball okay it's like the same thing. No, I know. We are the same. We're fighting the same battles out there. Yes. Which is that we ultimately want to be hanging out with women. Just in different fonts. Just in different fonts, actually Yeah If those women knew gay guys they would know that a lot of the bad ones are gay as well Most I mean yeah Being a man is such a precarious thing It not real We don have an explanation for it in nature No Being a man and talking to a man It's hard. I hate that it's happening to you right now. I know. Well, I'm, I'm, I'm actively not talking to them, but when I do, and when I get back out there, yeah. Or straight guys, I mean, when I get back out there, I'm, I just want to have more fun. I feel like I could even turn the volume up a little bit on that. Cause I'm getting to a level of comfortability where I just don't care if they think I'm insane. Yeah. So I'm just going to, I'm going to have fun and I'm going to look back on those bits that I did. What be it one sided or not. And I'm laughing fondly. I'm laughing. I'm looking back with fondness and I'm telling my friends, I go, I did this great bit the other day with the straight guy. Yeah. And I'm telling them and we're all laughing. Yeah. The guy's never speaking to me again, but that's not what's important. Is it truly stepping out of your, I'm trying really hard to step out of my worried about being perceived as insane by a lover, trauma because it is worrying about being perceived as insane by a lover is stopping me from finding my husband I feel. I need someone who's actually going to receive my we have to promise we won't fall in love tonight when we've never spoken a word to each other. I need that to be received with an excitement. You need to be yes anded. You need to be yes anded. I'm sorry I didn't train in improv for nothing. No and I'm having fun with it and I'm sorry if you can't keep up. Yeah. Actually I'm not sorry. You should probably leave. We are going to cut something that I just said that was inappropriate. I think circling to my point, gay guys in open relationships are a problem for me. Why are you talking to me? You already found your person. There's something called greed and we're seeing a lot of it. Gluttony even. Gluttony. And it's really ruining my life. Well, as a woman, a bisexual woman that was in an open relationship as well. Hold on. Can we sit with that? Let's let that sink in. Let's let that sink in. As a woman, first of all, to be a woman in this space. Thank you. Keep going. I would say that straight men and open relationships also need to be stopped as someone who was dating one for several years. I benefited from being in an open relationship with a man as a bisexual woman because I got to hook up with women in that time. And that was a very beautiful and rewarding experience for me. is an open relationship something that I would ever do again? At this point in my life, I can honestly say no. Now, let's say I'm with someone for 20 years. Yeah. I'm minimum 54 at this point, by the way, but still have a lot of sexual energy. Yeah. And I am shooting a show in Budapest for eight months and there's a 27-year-old grip who wears the hell out of those Carhartt pants. Dude. let's just say maybe there'd be some negotiations at this point in my life it's not happening for me i don't want it i'm not seeking that and i i i learned that that's just not who i am at this point here's what i want to say this is something i'm experimenting with and as we know everything i say on this podcast is subject to pretty immediate disavowal yeah that's what podcasts are for that's what my life is yeah that's what my life on the podcast is about but here's something i'm experimenting with right now there these are the i talked to gay guys about about open relationships and they end up in two different camps. They go, I'm firmly open right now. I want to be in an open relationship immediately when I start dating someone or they go, well, we wouldn't be closed forever. Of course, down the line, we start out closed, but of course, later on we would open it. Here's something I'm trying to bring to the community. We meet me and a guy. Yeah. Neither of us is dating someone else. We start dating each other. Yeah. We fall deeply in love. I'm going to cry. And we build a family and a life together. And then we die as each other's only lovers. And you never touch another person from that point forward. And of course we lust after them. And of course we say, when we're in our 60s, we're sitting in the Bahamas and we see the cabana boy who's like 28 and he's looking really good in the trunks. And we go, God, it would be nice to take him back to our room. And maybe he's interested and he flirts and we go, that's really sweet. We're flattered. But no. No. Yeah. The only person for me is my partner. That's beautiful. I want to bring back a type of love that is suffocating. Capitalist almost. Ownership. 100%. Ownership. Mutual ownership of one another. That's what I'm interested in experimenting with right now. What if we fall deeply in love and no one ever gets to do anything to us ever again except each other? And what does it say about this current moment that we're in that that feels radical? Hello. It feels bad. To me, can I just say it feels bad? And I do want to say that my heart goes out to all the gay men who feel that there is a void inside them that can only be filled by many, many lovers. Yeah. Sometimes at the same time, sometimes just, you know, it's, it's all, I just, my heart goes out. Cause I do feel that it is, it's, it was done to you guys. I don't think you're born, but then maybe it's just like men being men. Maybe if straight guys could do that, they also would. But I, I just, my heart goes out. Do you feel that you're overstepping right now? No, I don't either. I don't, but I wondered for a moment. And can I tell you why? Yeah. I have a deep love and we've talked about this as well and it's one of our big differences i have a deep love for gay men i have a deep love for gay men don't say that i have a deep love for them and i feel that you have a deeper love because you don't have to date them exactly yeah and if i did i maybe i wouldn't maybe feel this way but i think and and i'm sure there's people that are gonna be like just annoying about this i'm like i'm i'm living i am living as as a member of the community and i am trying to uplift gay men at every opportunity. I'm trying to uplift every, every letter in the LGBTQIA at any moment. So I really stand on business and I stand on my actions. And I, the reason I feel like I can speak on this is because I am so close with so many community members that I have a pretty big sample size and that's where I'm coming from. And it's never, and it's never like a criticism. Oh, you should stop doing this. It's more like I I'm here for you. And I hope we get to a place where you feel like you don't have to my journey is that when I was younger I didn't I hated the idea of an open relationship because I was insecure I didn't want my person to be out fucking other people because I feared that they would go out and find something better than me then I got to a place where I was like that's not going to happen right if you've chosen to be with me it's because you love what I have going on yeah and we can sleep with other people because they offer fun other sexual things but he knows where home is totally and and so now you feel like hold on okay because there's been another metamorphosis that was the last couple of years he knows where home is was a beautiful chapter but the thing with chapters that's so interesting is the end and new ones begin yeah he knows where home is was such a beautiful era of my life it's a beautiful ethos it's poetic ethos and i'm sure it works for a lot of people i bet it does and right now i'm experimenting with and I might look he knows where home is the other thing about books is sometimes the theme comes back up sometimes you you repeat a situation or an idea right now I am experimenting with the idea that arranged marriages might be a good idea that like a beautiful unceasing commitment to another person might be the answer unwavering no way out unwavering no way out it's a punishment in a beautiful way. I think that's how a lot of couples feel. They do. And I'm experimenting with it because I think it would be beautiful at this point. Look, I've slept with a lot of people. I'm not going to lie to you. No. And same. Right. And I'm now, I'm like, what would it be like to commit to someone no matter what? I can't wait to find out for you. Also, one thing I do want to say is that my, my opinions are my opinions and they can be wrong, but they're mine. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I make a lot of declarations. As you know i have a podcast of my own and one thing i will always say is like i might be wrong but like i can't change how i feel yeah and so and i could change my mind at any moment by the way that's what's so beautiful about being a gemini i'm seeing both sides yeah of the coin and i might change my mind but this is where i'm at right now and this is where you're at is that you think maybe maybe there is a romantic entanglement you could see that feels like something you are trapped in and there can be a lot of beauty in that i think look am i being sincere when i say that i don't know but I am experimenting with the idea that he knows where home is was just a chapter and do when I think about only sleeping with one person for the rest of my life do I become like borderline suicidal of course yeah but I want to commit to somebody you know and I want to have kids with somebody and I think maybe yeah maybe there's something to it now am I entertaining several guys right now at the moment so much so that I have to so much so that I have to have an iPhone note of sort of who I'm supposed to be keeping up with. Yes, that is the situation right now, but I'm dreaming of a better life for myself. And I want to say what you said that your opinions are your opinions. That was really powerful. And I want to, I have my own version of it. And that is that my opinions are your opinions. What I say is true. And it's how the people who listen to me feel. And if you're listening to something that I've said, that is, I'm speaking for all of us. I speak for everybody. Well, we hold a mirror up to society. Yes. People forget that sometimes. People forget that. And if you don't like what you see. It's not me. It's not me. I'm just here holding the mirror. Don't bite the hand that holds the mirror, sugar. Please do not. Don't fucking even try. Don't bite the hand that holds the mirror, sugar. Don't send your pit bull to bite the hand that holds the mirror. I'm saying just look into it and see what you see in there. See what you see. And if you don't like it, change it. Start with him, Michael Jackson. It's not easy. It's a lot of responsibility holding a mirror up to society like this. it is okay we talked about dating and love i feel like we really captured that but what else do we need to because you know marybeth well i do want to say also you mentioned that you have a podcast ride with benny skinner uh who's a brilliant comedic mind and a wonderful person and you guys are both friends of mine and i want to let the listeners know that off camera you were lamenting to me in our brief catch up i had a feeling you were you were lamenting to me that you guys have only wanted a few people to come as guests on your show and you have been unable to get them. And of course that hit me hard because I have not been asked and I'm, I would comfortably say I'm one of the podcast guests, uh, of our generation. And, uh, that doesn't bring me pleasure. That's just my situation. And so for two of my good friends to not ask me on their podcast, and then for one of them actually to come into my home and complain to me that they're not able to get the people that they want on the show. I did want to just give you a chance to clear the air on that. And now all I can say to that is I, I see you. Thank you. I hear you. We're listening. Right. And what I then went on to tell you is that we've only tried to get three people. Yeah. And that we certainly have you on our list of people that we want, we want to have on the podcast one day. We don't do a lot of guests, but we will. I have a feeling that we will. I can't predict the future. But if I, let's just say if I was betting on Polymarket. Yeah. If I was placing a bet. Yeah. Which they now want everyone to become gambling addicts in this country and the world. I would put a lot of money on Caleb Heron appearing on Ride the Pod. Okay. That means the world to me. Yeah. I think it would be special. 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Book today on the site or in the app. I actually have heard myself more saying things that I'm like, why did I have to say that? Like, I could just not say that. I remember I was talking to my ex's friend and he was like, oh, a lot of people say the new Matilda is really good. And I was like, well, you know, they're getting a lot of flack for using a fat suit in that movie. Yeah. And I just said, who fucking cares? Why did I say that? Who cares? Could anything matter less than that? I'm saying. Why would I take away the joy of children liking the movie Matilda by bringing something up that maybe there were a few tweets about? It's like, who cares? Do you know what I think? the only way that Hollywood is going to end this fat suit controversy once and for all is to put me in a big one. Like put me in a big, I'm talking like bigger than Brendan Frazier in the whale. I'm talking like, put me in a fat suit that we have never seen before and give me a, it would have to be like Norbit, Rasputia, like bigger than that. Yeah, bigger. Like I would need to do that. We need to like just once and for all, like in the fat suit controversy. It is the fat suit. The movie is called Fat Suit. You put me in the biggest fat suit we can find and we just do something awesome. We do like Austin Powers. We do something radical. He does the fat bastard. I need to do something like that. No, I think it's about someone like that who just lives a normal life. Yeah. Day to day. Well, yeah. They tried to do that with the whale, but they forgot to give him any dignity. Yeah. They had him almost die jerking off to like a pizza eating chicken wings that's that was kind of they had a chance to give him just like a normal guy who's like a teacher online and then they had him ascend into heaven at the end of the movie because he couldn't stop jerking off with pizza wait well i'm sorry but i was trying to say earlier we as podcast um aficionados we have a responsibility to fix things in the world and i think we we fix love and dating yeah is there anything else that's been on your mind yeah and I'm really thankful to have the platform to talk about this. So I don't think it girls should have weddings. And if they do, they shouldn't post about them. Yeah. I think weddings are for the proletariat. Yeah. It girls have everything else in the world. Yeah. I think weddings are the one thing that normal girls get. Yeah. They get to feel like a princess for a day. It girls feel like a princess every day. Yeah. I don't need to see them in a white dress standing in front of a bunch of rows of chairs of people in formal wear. Yeah. We, we, we've seen it. Yeah. And so I think if you are going to do that, it should be no phones. You should have yonder cases. All of your guests should lock their phones in yonder cases. It's for family. It's intimate. I don't need to see that. Yeah. And I'm not coming for any one it girl specifically. Cause I saw that a few it girls have had weddings in the past, you know, 12 to 18 months. And it really struck me as like, we're, they're taking something away. And I don't identify as an it girl, but should I reach that status. Yeah. I won't have a wedding and post about it because I think it's, I think it's, it just doesn't sit right with me. If you have more than 750,000 followers on Instagram, it's a courthouse wedding for you. It's going to have to be a courthouse wedding. It's going to be intimate. Maybe you're not wearing, you're not even wearing shoes. Maybe I want the judge's phone in a yonder case completely. Yeah. I don't want to see anything. I don't want documentation to be public. Yeah. I think that's just, that's just again, an opinion of mine. Yeah. And it's just something I've been wanting to speak on without offending anyone. Cause I don't, I don't think that it girls should get offended. Yeah. Can I just go a step further and say that girls don't have the right to be offended. You have everything. Yeah. I do think that as a person who, uh, professionally gets attention, I, I have never been interested in a wedding because I think a wedding to me, I'm just like, I don't, why would I do that? Right. If I'm going to get everyone together, let's do a show. I want to do some standup. Yeah. Let me perform. Yeah. I completely agree. I think that it's lost its appeal for me. What would feel more subversive is to do something small where it's like all my closest friends and family. Do you know what I, here's what I'll say though, just as a fun idea. If we keep allowing it, girls to have weddings, they need to do the divorces in the same manner. Dress up ceremony, phones out, pictures everywhere. Can I just say like, I would love to take a peek at the prenup. Yeah. What are you hiding? Publish the prenup. Do you feel that you're at this point in your life? Do you feel that you've become unlikable yet to the regular person? Or do you feel still pretty connected? I was unlikable before. How so? I think grew up pretty. I think it's well, I, and this is going to make me sound bad too. It's just like the way my face looks. Yeah. People think I'm always going to be coming in with negative energy, I think. Yeah. And so I've had, yeah, I mean, being, being blonde and having a dog completely changed my relationship with the service industry. and I've taken those lessons that I learned from being blonde and I put them in action as a brunette yeah and I I think that people's people when people see me they think that that's they they just make a lot of assumptions about me which aren't true because I have a heart of gold and if you know me you know that yeah but I do think that I'm starting behind the eight ball as they say with people I'm constantly winning people over I'm not starting with people are not coming into interactions with me presuming positive intent they're presuming negative intent you mean to tell me that you genuinely identify as an underdog? Unfortunately, I would say in this, in this current moment, in this current moment, yes. Unfortunately, it's not possible for me to not identify as the underdog. I, I hope we see a change. Yeah. I think if I, I think if we were in the nineties right now, I could never get away with saying something like that. Yeah. But in our current moment, yeah. Nothing is more clear to me than the fact that we're not in the nineties anymore and in some ways great whatever but like i'm i wish that i got to enjoy it a little bit more born in 91 i got a taste of it i got a glimpse yeah but i never really got to like indulge in having like a consciousness at that time yeah so you're born in 91 91 yeah okay yeah sit with that i'm 34 and i'm not ashamed to say it i just didn't i i guess i hadn't put like a number to that which is genuinely nothing funny about being 34 it's just 91 is like I've I guess the feeling I was feeling when I said that was a little bit of jealousy you got more consciousness in the 90s than I did yeah and I never thought that that's something that I never pictured I never predicted that would be something I'd feel thankful for yeah but I genuinely am let's practice some gratitude around that gratitude bring it up with the therapist I I feel like the time that I was born was as a woman so interesting because I was raised on of course Spice Girls feminism yeah when at the same time one of my earliest memories is Bill Clinton's press conference about Monica Lewinsky. Yeah. So it's very it was very confusing but also then I think created this beautiful this beautiful mind that I have that I wouldn't trade for anything. Yeah of course. Because I love how it works and I have gratitude for that too. I love your mind as well. I think you're brilliant. I think you're beautiful. Thank you. I thought I thought you did an amazing job hosting the Globes by the way. Thank you. How was that experience? I had a great time. Do you find it difficult to be in those kind of Hollywood rooms where everyone's so upset and emaciated or is it more manageable than I would think? Well, you know, the question I want to ask everyone was, would you rather be happy or skinny and then go, nevermind. I can tell. Nevermind. I know the answer. I know. So yeah, I think that being in those rooms, it can be overwhelming and stressful for a lot of reasons. And I'm, I think I'm happy that the things that I'm experiencing are happening to me at the age that I'm at because even, okay, just to walk you through some of my psychosis. So I don't have a flat stomach and I never will have a truly flat stomach, the type of flat stomach that you could bounce a quarter off of. Okay. And that's something that I have to live with. And so at the Golden Globes, I was wearing a dress that from the side, I had like a little, you could just see it wasn't flat. And so in my twenties, if there was footage of me looking like that on the internet, I would have gone into a hole. Yeah. I would have, I would have been so stressed out, depressed, like, oh my God, I just don't like how I look there. And as a 34 year old now, I'm like, that's exposure therapy. Yeah. I'm not a model. I'm a comedian. I don't need to have a flat stomach for work. Yeah. And so it's okay that from the side, there's a little, there's a little tummy. Yeah. There's a little tummy bump. I'm glad you acknowledge that entire line of thinking as psychosis because it is one of the more psychotic things I've ever heard you say. For you to say I'm not a model as like objectively a model. But I'm not. Mary Beth. But I'm not bringing this up so you would say this. No, no, no. I know that. I love you to death. We have to step back into reality for a moment. The idea that you would even say from the side I have a little bit of a stomach is like it is time to root back. I want you to take your socks off in stepping grass today. I want you to come back to us. I want you to rejoin us on earth because that's insane. It's really scary. It's scary and I'm not saying it's your fault. But it's scary stuff. But, well, because you said emaciated, so I just wanted to speak to that a little bit. Yeah. Describing the other people in the room. Well, so many people in those rooms are, like, they're getting thin to a point that I'm like, uh-oh. And they're also, everyone in those spaces is vibrating like a tuning fork with the pressure of trying to seem cool when they're deeply uncool. Yeah. They, like, want to win a trophy so bad that they are, like, would genuinely, genuinely, whether they admit it or not, They would poison every other nominee to death to get that trophy. And that is an energy that being around it is like very, very psychotic. And you really did such a good job at making it lighthearted and funny. I think I really wanted to just match people's energy. And that was the goal. And I did 50 interviews. And some of them won't come out for various reasons, whatever they may be. People's publicists said that they couldn't. People's publicists said that they couldn't. but I think it's it was really fun for me I genuinely had a great time and what I wanted to do was make people feel comfortable to the point, I wanted to make people feel comfortable by asking them questions that they didn't necessarily need an answer to or giving them multiple choice just because now that I've been on the other end of some of those interviews I'm like, if you ask me how I feel in a certain moment, that's such a complicated question and it's hard to answer without sounding like a fucking idiot, to be frank so we wanted to create a back and forth that felt like there was no pressure on the person to be funny. We're going to have it be sort of lighthearted and silly. And if there was ever a lull, I just have another question for them. And I had a lot of fun and the response was really lovely and wonderful. And so, but it was one of those things too, where I was like, when are they going to turn on me? Because they're going to turn on me and I just don't know when. Well, this is the big question we all have to contend with, by the way. Yeah. And that was scary, but I had, yeah, it was great. I really, I couldn't feel the bottom of my feet for a few days because I was standing in heels for that long. But yeah, I had fun. You did a really phenomenal job and you bring up something so important, which is that publicists as it stands are a protected group in this country. And we need to open up at least the conversation and idea of discriminating against them. Remove protected status for publicists. Publicists are some of the most insidious and dark figures. And I want my publicists to tune out right now. Just log off for a moment. We'll let you know when it's safe to tune back in. I love you guys. You do great work. but publicists as a class of people are some of the most horrendous, like upsetting people I've ever had to interact with. I want to say too, there were some that we didn't put out. There were only two that got held for publicist reasons. Yeah. And then the rest were either creative decisions or just like, you know, at a certain point, if you just keep posting the like, people will just be like, okay, we get it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We've seen it now. We got the interview. There are some we're going to release as, as time goes on and in a timely manner. Yeah. That makes sense. But yeah, there was a publicist lounge. in the hotel. And it had a sign that says publicist lounge. And when I walked by it, I had to chill. Sponsored by the biggest purses you've ever seen, by the way. Oh, the biggest purses and Purdue Pharmaceuticals. By the way. Yeah. Really, really. Yeah. Also, I want to tell public figures, please stop hiding behind your publicist. Stop it. It's not working. Your agents and managers and publicists being mean to everyone on your behalf and then you showing up and being like, hey how is everyone it's not working we know that you're involved yeah we know that you're not unaware of we know that you were sending a text being like tell them i'm leaving in 45 fucking minutes i don't want to be here the like my team will be the bad guy so i can show up and be the nice guy thing if anyone listening to this is a public figure i just want you to know it's not working yeah and i am assigning the way your team treats people to your ethics yeah from here on out that's where i'm going with it because it's not working and i hate it publicist has to come to records of this show and i say you can stand on the street and wait yeah you cannot interrupt me ever one of those things sit in a police van yes get one of the things that you can hear what we're saying yes and then you can talk about after and there won't be a communication line coming back to us no certainly not if a publicist ever interrupts me during a thought i am really scared i think i would black out and do something really bad something something really really bad really really really bad i i haven't we haven't interacted with that many publicists because we don't have guests on our podcast but i can imagine and i will say there was minimal publicist intervention at the golden globes like i do think people felt safe that if they needed to they could step in but like didn't you know interfere with the back and forth yeah but there is just yeah there is something to be said for that and i do love my publicist of course because they have hearts of gold just like because that's matching my energy people i've ever met in my life but Yeah, I agree with you. I don't think it's working. I just, the thing you said, like people felt comfortable. They felt safe knowing they could jump in. I want to create an environment of fear where they know they can't. You cannot jump in. Your client is an adult and they can speak to me, another adult, and make choices about the way they, you cannot step into me having a conversation ever. Do not ever interrupt me. I just really don't have any tolerance for it. We're two adults having a conversation in public and our job is being in public. I think they can handle the repercussions of slipping up on a word. Right. It's crazy. And by the way, we want everyone to look good in that situation. I don't want to make anyone look bad. So we were being extremely thoughtful as well in the edit of like, oh, let's cut this part because it like, it dragged a little bit or like that one didn't land or whatever it is. Like we don't want to make these celebrities look like fools. And by the way, we could. Depends on which one. Well, yeah. For me, it depends on which one. Ah! I don't know. It depends. Yeah, the whole, just the being consumed by the public. Do you ever get stressed by it or do you feel like you're at peace with it? In which part? What do you mean? Just constantly being, I guess this idea of like you're, even when we're having this conversation, people are consuming us on the internet. Yeah. Does that ever stress you out? I have tried my very, of course, I've tried my very best to tune out of as much as possible. It will rot your brain. But I think more broadly than I also really hope that when people listen to this show and we sometimes talk about what it like to be perceived online I hope everyone knows that it not separate from what we all experiencing Like this is actually a universal conversation We all are contending with the stresses and repercussions of living in a time where we are living in the panopticon. Every one of us, even who are not famous or have podcasts or standups or whatever, every one of us is living in a time in society where we're all being watched all the time. and we all have to contend with that. So if it ever feels, yeah, I just want everyone to know that these conversations are actually about all of us and I'm just talking from my unique lens on it. But we all live in this really fucked up time where everyone's watching us all the time. There's always a phone and a camera trained on all of us. I mean, there's three cameras on us right now. Right, and you came on purpose to do this. That's crazy. I know. But when you were walking down the street, there were probably hundreds of cameras on you. Like, yeah, it's a really crazy time to live in and I think as little as you can think about that is helpful because it's really not natural what's happening to us. We weren't supposed to be known by this many people. Yeah. And I, just to also say, I am really grateful, gratitude. Yeah. I'm grateful for the audience that I have. And I, I think I liked, I like to be thoughtful about what I say because I don't want to let them down, you know, like they've trusted me and they, they're supporting me. And so I just want to like do right by them all the time. And so I don't want it to sound like I'm complaining at all. Cause we got into this knowing full well what it entails. And obviously we're learning new things about what it's like to do this for a job every day, but I do have a lot of gratitude and I, I just want to like do, I want to use the platform for good and, and for entertainment, but I just don't want it to ever feel like I'm complaining. Cause like every opportunity that I have, I I'm thankful for even being on this podcast. It's an honor to be asked back. I'm not even, I'm being, I'm being so genuine right now and being earnest This is another thing people struggle with with me is they can't tell when I'm being earnest. That's because your cadence remains the same. I know. And I'm really sorry about that. No, don't be sorry. I'm just telling you why. I'm just expecting, not me. I love you. And I feel very comfortable and open with you. But people think I'm constantly being facetious when I'm not. Yeah. I'm grateful. I'm grateful for so many things. You know what I actually was thinking of recently? I really do practice gratitude a lot, like as an actual practice, like sitting down and legitimately think about things I'm grateful for that I can walk, that I can see, that I can speak. Yeah. That I have like a financial situation that is so much better than like when I was growing up. I think about all these things, but recently I read something that has been sticking with me so much on Substack. I'm loving Substack. Can I just say, are you on Substack? Get on Substack girl. Substack is so special to me. It's what finally encouraged me to get rid of TikTok. No offense to the TikTok lovers. Thank you guys for watching the videos and sharing them. But I don't, I was not having fun on TikTok. I didn't enjoy it. Um, Substack is awesome. Substack is so fun. People are writing really great stuff on there. The, the notes function on Substack is feeling so, it's the first thing that has come close to making me feel like Twitter used to feel before it got awful. Yeah. Twitter used to be amazing. And I feel so bad for people that don't know that. I know early Twitter was so incredible. Um, but yeah, people are writing and it's a lot of fun and I'm reading lots of good stuff on there. Um, but Substack, I read something about someone was writing about they have a um they have a family member who is schizophrenic and they were writing about how they had never their their their family member i guess developed schizophrenia or their symptoms changed or something but their mind wasn't always um so impacted by schizophrenia yeah and they were talking about the amount of gratitude they've started practicing around like having a sound mind a mind that can like reason and make sense of things and isn't lying to them or playing tricks on them. And I like really had never considered that in my gratitude practice, but it is actually when I get down to it, the thing I am the most grateful for is that I have a mind that I can trust. And that doesn't mean like, I don't even mean that I'm smart. I mean, I have a mind that isn't like, it isn't playing voices that aren't there. It isn't telling me lies. It isn't like trying to destroy me all the time. It was in my twenties, my early twenties, it was trying to destroy me with depression, but my mind is sound. You know what I mean? And that It's like, so now I've been trying to find new things to be grateful for that I've never considered. And it's hard because most of them are just like the things you'd think of, like my friends in my house. Yeah. You're, you're sort of selling me on Substack because I love the idea of finding things like that, that then are resonating with me. And I don't really feel like I have a place for that right now. Like when I see things on TikTok that I like, it's usually like fan edits of like, I posted one that was like that feeling when a guy says you scare him, you know, and it's basketball players, um, making their shots. Yeah. I would love to have my brain sort of stimulated by some more substantial thoughts like what you're describing. And I am thankful for my sound mind. I think one thing I haven't spoken about that much, which I'm sure I will speak on it more as I've processed it, my dad had dementia toward the end of his life. And just watching him be able to trust his mind less and less, I've definitely been feeling more grateful for my health. yeah it's just about gratitude and and hey you're grateful for substack i am grateful you're grateful for that beautiful mind of yours i really do love substack i also had a huge uh i had started when i started substack it was because i was ending my relationship with patreon and me and patreon i thought you were gonna say something else i was ending my relationship with a real person with your boyfriend instead of a platform um no i was ending we were moving over to substack from Patreon, really nothing against Patreon. They were lovely and it was a great platform, but just Substack offered more of what we needed. Um, but we had made, like, we had told the fans what our Substack was going to be like. And then I very quickly got overwhelmed by the amount of things that needed to happen. And I had to like do something very difficult and, and be like, Hey, that's actually not going to go like that. I have to pull back and some of these things I can't do. Yeah. And I was really scared because I, I take like, I take very seriously people's money and attention people's money and attention is very very very important to me I don't fuck around about my shows being good I don't fuck around about people getting their money's worth I try to pay people very well I like I'm very serious about people's money and attention yeah and I don't ever want someone to feel like I'm cashing in on them or like taking advantage um and everyone was like so sweet and lovely and understanding it was in the it was during last year where I had like the most psychotic work year of my life thank god I'm so grateful I loved everything I did uh, except for one thing. Um, we can talk about off camera. Um, um, but yeah, I, I, it was so nice to like have, um, I just felt, uh, so endeared to my little community on sub stack that was so like kind to me. Well, that's a reflection of the base that you've built, which I'm grateful for with our podcast listeners as well, because they obviously know who you are as a person and it's a reflection of, of yeah, like you're, you are, you're the magnet for those people. And I think that's when I'm really proud to have the fans that I have. And it feels weird to say fans, but like, you know, the audience that I have, it's when I do shows and I invite other comedians on and they're like, wow, your crowds are so great. Like they're so attentive. They're locked in, they're laughing. It's like, so they're the most fun shows and it's because that's like what you're putting out. So I think that it's, did anyone send you mean messages? uh no some people canceled their subscription which i we said like please get a refund if you need to do that we're still offering a lot we offer ad free episodes and stuff on there like it's not like we took everything away but there were people that did cancel their thing but they were very nice and that that's appropriate money's tight like do what you need to do yeah but they're like hey i love you i just can't justify paying for this if i'm not getting the thing i love they loved like the bonus interviews or whatever and i was like good for you like there's no part of me that's like fuck you they were so nice about it but the thing about audiences being nice I, Chance and I, every venue we went to on tour last year, the venue staff would like tell us, like your fans are the nicest people we have ever interacted with. And it like made us cry. Like it was so emotional and sweet because we feel that like, we do feel that like, we like nice people like our stuff and our, our, our fans treat venue staff. Well, they tip, they like are polite and courteous and they follow the rules and are like, they're conscientious. They're nice people. Yeah. And it made me, it's probably the proudest. If I'm like proud of anything that I did last year, probably the proudest moments were like venue staff telling us that our fans were the nicest people that come in the building. It means a lot. Yeah. And the fact that, yeah, it's, it's sort of a cycle because the fact that we would care about something like that I think is why, you know what I mean? Yeah. Just people that are thoughtful and caring. And so I think if gratitude is the theme, then I'm feeling it. You're feeling gratitude. That's what I have to say. Are you happy? Be honest. i am not really not all the time i have moments yeah i guess i mean when i say that i don't think there's such a thing as a happy person like capital h it's a thing you are but i mean do you feel yourself experiencing a lot of happiness lately or are we working on it we're working on it yeah i think one thing that was hard about the globes for me was like i went home and i was by myself like i really want to be in a relationship i want to be in love i want to build a life with someone. So to leave something that was so much stimulation and feel like, oh my God, that was so fun. And then you go home and like, no one's caring for me right now. And maybe that's important for my growth. And then when I meet the person, I'll be better. Cause I'll know myself better about whatever, whatever, you know, you know, all that crap. Yeah. Stupid shit. Stupid bullshit. That's dumb that we tell ourselves to make it hurt less. But I think that, yeah, that's, that's sort of the big hole in my life right now. And I'm trying to be comfortable with that, but it is hard. It's like, I want someone to hold me and tell me I did a good job and rub my back. And, you know, I have a list of what I'm looking for in my next partner. I'll share it with you after this, if you're interested, but it's, I'm, I just want to be more, um, I guess like, yeah, thoughtful about who I engage with in the future. And that's why I'm taking this break right now. I just need to really focus on, on work, which focusing on work does make me happy. And when things are happening with work, I feel, I feel those moments of joy. I would love to be fulfilled in, in that area, but it's just not that it's just not the time for that right now for whatever reason. I feel, I think the big, uh, challenge in life for everybody is like a piece will probably always be missing. Like, I think we, I think we all have to come to terms with like the fact that a piece will always be missing. The equation will never be completely perfect. This thing will fall into place. That thing will shift out of place there will always be something that could be better um i'll tell yeah there will always be something that could be better and that is so hard because that i think the the hardest part about trying to be a person who's happy more often than they're not is like we have to yeah we have to figure out because same i want you know i want to be in like a loving happy relationship etc yeah um yeah you have to just we we have to be like oh okay it'll happen when it happens it'll happen when it happens and I I guess I I don't know the people it's so hard you're like oh people listen to this and do that or think this or whatever but like I'm just being honest I guess I'm I've always just led with honesty and that's just how I'm feeling right now it's like I want a partner and I'm looking at my life and where I where I am at 34 is not where I thought I'd be in my like personal life but I and people are always like we have all these great friends and blah blah I'm like well I'm not going to bring my 12 best friends as my date to a wedding, am I? Yeah. You know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. So don't, don't come to me with that bullshit. Yes, of course. And I put so much into my friendships and I'm, and my friends really showed up for me in a beautiful way last year. Like you included, I had a very difficult year and I'm so grateful for that. But like, it's not the same as someone who's going to like wake up next to me and kiss me with morning breath and go get a coffee for me so I can sleep longer. You know what I mean? Like my friends aren't doing that and I would never expect them to. I will say I took a pretty big swing when you called me about your dad passing. I know. I took a big swing. You called me crying and I said, first of all, relax. You should calm down. Stop being dramatic. And the millisecond it took to hear your laughter was one of the scariest moments of my life. I hope that you feel the comfortability to do that for the rest of our friendship until we're 90. I do. But then at 90, I need to tighten up. At 90, I think you should maybe pull it back a little bit and just be a little bit more respectful and serious but yeah it's it's it's tough because i guess they as they say i think this was from sex in the city but maybe someone came up with it before and carrie bradshaw stole it but you're always looking in new york as a woman in new york you're always looking for a job a boyfriend or an apartment yeah so i yeah where i'm at right now is that i am passively looking for an apartment but and and it could be a girlfriend too hello 2026 hello let's say that where's my g flip I want you to find your G flip so bad I want my G flip We did your show true Girls should not be having weddings But you know we have to play true or false Great let's do it You know we do It's the last thing I'm going to read you 15 statements Mary Beth Barone And you're going to tell me as quickly as you can After each one If you think what I just said is true or false If you get 10 or more correct I'm going to give you 50 US dollars Are you ready? 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And you can text Benny and tell him to put me in season two because he asked me, he asked me at Union Hall if I would come back for season two. Yeah. Hypothetically, I said, Benny, of course I would. I told him that too. Make CJ some psychotic little arc for one episode. Please. What are we talking about? Also, I will have a Netflix special at some point this year. So look out for that. Yeah, you will. Love you. Thanks for doing it. Thank you.