The Killer, The Kitty & The Combine - Maryville, Missouri

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And the Wayne Henley thing is a, we'll talk about all this. It's a lot and it's crazy. One of the craziest stories that's ever been told, honestly, it's bonkers, all the different burials and the weird torture. It's a lot, uh, Patreon.com slash crime in sports. And you get all the shows we put out crime in sports, your stupid opinions and small town murder all ad free with your page. Oh my god. Oh my god. It's so we keep giving everybody. We're crazy. We're crazy over here. And you get a shout out at the end of the regular show. That said, I think it's time everybody to sit back. What do you say here? Let's all clear the lungs and let's all shout. Shout out and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah, we have to. We have to. We're going to Missouri this week. Here we go. Maryville, Missouri. Maryville. Mary like the name,ville like a place there it is. Maryville, Missouri, Northwestern, Missouri, about an hour and a half to Kansas City, about an hour 50 to Omaha, Nebraska. You want to go someplace way worse and then actually no Lincoln's the bad one, not Omaha is fine. Well, I mean, it's terrible too, but it's very, very easy to not give a shit or a matter. Compared to Lincoln, it's fantasy island now. I mean, forget about it. And it's about 20 minutes to our last Missouri episode, which was in Skidmore. Remember that? Oh, that was episode 625, murders and miracles. That is where the stolen baby was taken out of the woman and then they ended up being just a wild story. So this is a not away county, which is the same county Skidmore's in area code 660 population 11,070 in this place and almost exactly. And on this thing, normally we try not to do the same county twice in a row, but this story is so it's just so crazy. I could not do it. Pickle in my ass. Wait a wait a wait a wait a wait a wait. I don't know, I get to your balls, Jimmy. It's going to be awesome. Median household income here, $39,768, which is well, well below the national average. Jesus, about 30,000 less than the national average. Median home cost here also lower, $201,500, which is still tough on 40 grand a year. Nickname here. I don't know why, but Nickname title town. Yeah. I mean, Green Bay and Pittsburgh might want to talk to you, but we'll see. I don't know if maybe you're fucking anywhere, you know how I'm sure they're high school fucking volleyball team won the title in 64 and now they're still talking about it. The name originates from the town's first postmaster, Amos Graham. You go, well, how the hell does Maryville come from Amos Graham? His wife's name is Mary. It's usually the, usually the daughter they name it after. But Amos is a piece of shit. Mary was an angel. I think, well, the thing is Amos got caught diddling around Maryville, I think. And he's like, I got to make this up to her guys. Please just let me name the town Maryville. Please, this is going to get me like out of this doghouse. Quick, you don't understand. You're mad at me. Well, look at the signing. Just put up. Maybe your face is on it, too. There we go. The city had a bunch of things here. It was incorporated in 1856. Then a null to 1857. I didn't know you could acknowledge city. I guess they didn't. I guess they didn't consummate. Yeah. That's how it works. Reincorporated in 1859. Then an old again during the Civil War. What the fuck? Then reincorporated in 1869. Then later in 1869, disincorporated again. And then finally, in July of 1869, finally incorporated for good. They could not decide. There was a very controversial case here when there was, I'm going to read right from like the Wikipedia of this just to give it a, because I don't know the details enough to know who's right and who's wrong here. A controversial case arose in 2012 when a boy, 17 at the time of the incident, was arrested for rape and sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl. And a 15-year-old boy was accused of doing the same thing to the 13-year-old girl's friend. And a third boy admitted to recording the first boy's alleged assault on a cell phone. Oh. So it was a big year was this? It was a big contract 2012, and it happened. 13 was the controversy because the county prosecutor dropped felony and misdemeanor charges against the first boy who was related to an influential former state representative. And it got into the real whole backwards good old boy network here. A type of thing is what everybody is saying about this. So I'm not sure. There was a 2016 Netflix documentary called Audrey and Daisy about it. Oh Jesus. Because the young lady ended up killing herself in 2020. Oh my God. Yeah. It's awful. It's awful. What a terrible story. And then her mother killed herself four months ago. Oh Jesus Christ. It couldn't be any worse. Our story is not as sad as this. Let's just say it's sad, but nothing good. I mean, that's production of child porn. That's illegal. It's so many levels. It's so many levels. It's so fucked. Yeah. Reviews of this town. Here is five stars. Everyone is so welcoming in like a large family here. I would like to see more community gathering to give newcomers a chance to connect with other people in the town better. A gathering for the newcomers. That sounds weird. Welcome wagon. Funny farm founders day picnic. You hear what happened in 2013. I don't think you're getting many visitors. Oh, I don't think so. Here's one star. Absolutely terrible place to raise a family. The cops and government officials will ruin you and your family if you don't like, if they don't like you by planting evidence, falsifying documents and purposely tearing families apart. There's some hard allegations. There's nothing but drug lords, alcoholics and thieves running the businesses and streets. Drug lords, drug lords, alcoholics and thieves. All right. Pyrritor's and thieves. Here's one star. I hate this place is the first one. That's pretty. That's the quiz star. I think you can pretty much end it right there. That's good. One star. I hate this place. All right. Done. Yeah. Let me to expand. There are like 10 parks, three bars and a movie theater that's closing. The only good entertainment are the weekly bar fights. This place is hell. It's awesome. Christ. And then finally, things to do here. We got the not away county fair. Oh. Oh, baby. Let's see what's going to happen there. We got a first responders eating contest. Sure. Let's keep them slim. How about that? How about let's not have the people that we need an emergency. So fucking gut bond that they can't get out there to give me CPR. How's that? They need to stand there and wait while the other people in the eating contest need medical assistance. That's not worth. James, they're so fast they beat the emergency. They get there before anybody's bleeding. Oh, Lord, wow. Let's slow down a tick. And it's also strange that they're hovering over someone trying to revive them while eating a pulled pork sandwich. That seems odd. I feel like. Yeah. The CPR got barbacuda. Yeah. Lord, no. He's covered in blood. No, no, that's barbecue sauce. I was eating while I was saving him. It's not blood. He's fine. No, that's the baby race. That's the baby race. That's the honey barbecue. That's a good one. That's the good one. That's the good one. There's a little Mr. and Miss contest. We got to stop this. A parade, a baby show. Hey, everyone. It's a baby show. Come out and look at the baby. See if you want one. A checker's tournament. That's exciting. That is your favorite. Oh, he just kinked him. Holy shit. I'm gonna cover my pants. He's just fucking double-jumped him. Checker's tournament. Oh, 80 of seating for that. Holy shit. Standing room only. It's all up. It's all up. The Cassidy band will be there. Don't know. C-A-S-A-D-Y. I don't know. And the community band and Keith left. And let me show you Keith left quick. Let's say Keith left. He's saying Keith got down. He's a magician and his thing he's got a hard coming out of his sleeve. So that means he's a magician. Great. Oh, good, a roving magician. That is terrible. That's it. Let's talk about a murder. What do you say? Oh, God, I love this town. I already heard his wilds. So laughable. Okay. Before we get into this murder, I have to explain to people just because it comes up in the story, this particular word. And people who don't live in a rural area or live overseas, I don't know what they know what this is. A combine. Now in America, we kind of know what a combine is. It's a big thing that goes in a farm and takes things. It cuts the corn. I will give you the definition of a combine, though. It combines three harvesting operations into one. Rething, which is cutting the crop, threshing, separating the grain from the plant, and winnowing, which is cleaning the grain. So it's a thing with it. It does all three. So you see those big wheels that are like, look like they're all knives. It's got a fork in the front. They're so wild. It's such a fascinating tool. It's like a tank made of knives. Is what it looks like. Yeah, yeah. And it's half a million dollars. Oh, they're huge. And a crazy machine. Big piece of farm equipment. Now let's introduce ourselves to a man here. This is William E. Taylor. Goes by Bill. Oh, Bill Taylor. Sure. Bill Taylor. We all know good old Bill. Born 1957, Charles is his father, Betty is his mother. He's got brothers named Wayne and James. Wayne James. I cannot. This is a very American man. Those Taylor boys, you know about. Now he grows up on a farm here. As we'll talk about his dad's a farmer and has some land. And he's going to be a farmer too. He finds a nice young woman to marry and gets married on June 2nd, 1979. He gets married to Deborah Joe Wasen, WASS O'N. Now Deborah Joe, which is funny because our last Missouri episode was Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe is the net. And this is Deborah Joe. So every woman that just tells me every woman in Missouri goes by something Joe. Doesn't matter what it is. I get a question. Is it J.O.? J.O. Absolutely. And they're all that's what the other one was. Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe. There you go. See what I mean? She from Arkansas, right? Obviously. Obviously. She's born around this time. The late 50s, early 60s, that was the name. It was that. If you were like a hillbilly. If you were a farm community. Yeah. Yeah. Joe was, you're getting Joe. That's there's so many of those. Now she is born in 1956. Her same age. And her parents are Robert and Joanne. So maybe that's where the Joe came from. Okay. And her brother, she's got a brother named Steve, a sister named Sherry. She really loves animals. And really loves, she's a very kind, like kind of helping woman. As we'll talk about, she's a teacher. She loves animals. You know the lady. Sure do. Nice lady. She graduated in 74 from Valley High School in Des Moines, Iowa, where she's from, she's from Iowa. So she's farman through and through there. She got a degree in elementary education in 1978 from Northwest Missouri State University. Oh. And then received her master's degree as well. So she's ready to teach. We'll say that. Now they get married in Des Moines in June of 1979. So a June wedding in Des Moines. It couldn't be more beautiful. You can smell the corn doing whatever the corn does. There's some, there's some bugs in the air. I don't know what corn smells like. Little, little more love than bugs in the air. That's right. There's, they're there. Now they're going to have two kids as well. They're going to have Lori in 1983 and then Doug in 1985. It's only a way to few years to start. They're very responsible people. Yeah. William is a bills a farmer and he works his farm, which is just south of Maryville here. And it's a family operation. Big lot of land they both have and everything like that. His father Charles has property nearby less than a mile away. So essentially they're making kind of a compound of their farms out of sure. Buying farms close to each other. And apparently they live very comfortably. They do very well for themselves. It's a big operation. Farmers do pretty well in some areas. Yeah. You can make a good, good chunk of money. And especially in the 70s and early 80s, too. This is when corporate farm shits was really coming in. And like then field of dreams is the late 80s where they're going to take your farm unless you build a baseball field where dead guys play. You know what I mean? You can have a supernatural baseball game outside every night. They're taking your farm basically. That's how it work. So they do very well. They live in very nice comfortable surroundings. They're, you know, this isn't a shack on a farm where they go out there with a hoe and try to make a couple of bucks. They have, it's not equipment. Right. They do very well. They're hitting the horse with a hoe. Exactly. With a donkey with a fucking plow attached. With a leather strap plow. Yeah. When it goes over the kids shoulders. Like Mikey Corleone and Godfather too and Sicily over there. So donkey. Now she taught at a Catholic school, St. Gregory in Maryville. And that's where a lot of her family went to church as well. She taught junior high at the St. Catholic school. And she also taught the GED program at the C123 district as well. So she does a lot of teaching. She also is active in the young farm wives club. I guess was a Girl Scout troop leader for troop three to three co-leader of troop three four six. A member of the service unit five service team for not not awake out. You don't know what that is. And co-director of the Girl Scout day camp in the area as well. Nice. So she does a lot for kids. She's very into helping kids and she loves animals and small children. Nice lady. Perfect to teach. Perfect teacher lady. So yeah, that's how I want to run my kids nurturing. Now spring of 1994 Deborah starts having some problems. Uh oh. She's not happy. She's starting to get depressed. 38 years old and just kind of not happy with her life here. And she has anxiety and depression. And she ends up taking a leave of absence from the school. And also goes to counseling for several weeks in the spring of 1994. Yeah. Especially for the 90s people wouldn't think to go to counseling. So one of the other teachers at the school, a woman that she knows well, named Charlotte, said that they were friends for a long time. She described Deborah Joe as high energy, well organized and very professional. She said she began the 93 94 school year with a good attitude. She was real upbeat. She doesn't know how by the spring. It all happened. The wheels fell off. She said she was looking forward to school that year. She had lots of ideas, creative ideas. She thrived on things like that. She said that she became aware of a change in her outlook somewhere in the mid semester, there in the first semester, but didn't know why or anything like that. Just saw that she was acting. It's a little bit different. Now the counselor she went to see was a guy named Ken Thom and she went in March. He said that in his quote from his report that she appeared quote sad, tearful, very anxious about school where she was concerned because quote, she can't meet everyone's expectations. Parents approach the school questioning her abilities as an instructor. Oh, you should have a podcast and see what that's like. Go ahead and do that. The feedback is not easy. They'll point out every little thing about yourself. You might not have wanted to recognize your audience is 34 at the moment. Try having hundreds of thousands upon millions. And they're kids. You can tell them shut the fuck up. Hey, shut up. What do you know? No, but this is this shows that she actually gives a shit though. Yeah. I mean, she's not just like I screw you. She everybody says she's such a great teacher too. That's the thing like everyone on the outside is like she is like the best teacher we have. And she is so depressed because she can't meet everyone's expectations. Meanwhile, she's exceeding them. Right. And then she's crushing it and people are telling her, yeah. And she gets one parent who kid is probably an asshole and you know, not getting good grades or something and then they go to complain and say it's her fault. And then she takes it personally. Who knows? That's a teacher's equivalent of reading the comments. You know, exactly. And she just taken them and she can't take it. She hates it. Gotta, gotta put those aside. So he said he saw her for, you know, a few weeks. And he said also that she appeared to have some marital problems that included conflicts in the parenting of the two children and a lack of intimacy between the two. Yeah, that was a good one. Married 15 years, two kids, the farm, the jobs, all that. That this is a very normal complaint that, you know, people go to counseling for all the time trying to get some spark back in their life. She wants to feel hot. Yeah. They got to get like, she needs like some nipple clamps and a porn movie or something. Maybe a light spanking. Yeah, I mean, they need to get like some, some, some fire back in there. They're extreme for fuck's sake. At least one night, 69 for Christ's sake. Get Bill a gimp mask. See how it goes. Who cares? Yeah. Let's strap it on. It's a lot of thinking in there. See if he does that. Hey, you know what? And he might, he might fucking shoot it up to the ceiling. We have no idea. What is he's going to do a smack your hand away? That's it. That's all. That's all. That's all. He won't be offended. She, this guy, the counselor also said that Bill appeared very supportive of Deborah Joe after she developed problems with anxiety and depression. She said, you know, he was there also and he was trying to help her out. So anyway, she had been referred to this counselor by the school. The school said, maybe you should see somebody if you feel like this. So while on leave, she's still working actually, but just not as a teacher. She's working as a secretary for a doctor, canty, have a have a have a dark. Yeah. There you go. Some, some foreign guy, some foreign doctor. Now, November, 1994, we get to and William believes by this point, he's telling people that he believes Deborah Joe wants a divorce. She's six months into a nervous breakdown. Pretty much. It's not getting better. Sure. We don't know if this is sure. We don't know if she did or not, but he says he feels like she does, even though it hasn't been brought up, I don't think. So no words, just emotion, but Bill is depressed too by November, 94, which depression is catching, man. It really is. It's my God. Is it contagious? It really is. So same way, joy is contagious. Depression is contagious too. Yeah. It is fascinating how when you are in a relationship with somebody that is depressed, you either get frustrated or depressed along with them. Yeah. But either way, it affects you and it agitates your mood also. You can't not. It's just we're humans. Everything, our environment's affect us. It's all there still. I mean, whether it's, you know, sarin gas floating in the air or someone's sadness, it's still, it's it's all around. And we don't know if he was depressed first and then she got it from him or, you know, help not get it from him like it's a disease like that. I'm just saying, it's not in the same bed. If they're both a little depressed and one person slips further in with that takes the other person too. So anyway, his brother here, James, this is Bill's brother, said that he came and visited for a while here in November and for about 10 days late October and then he went back to Colorado, but then he returned on November 11th later on. We'll talk about why. He said his brother was difficult to understand because of halting speech and quote, intermittent weeping and whaling. Well, that's depression. That is the problem. Yeah. And from a from a farm guy too, you know, they're pretty stoic generally. You don't want a lot of not a lot of tears out of those. No, you don't want to spook the cows, you know what I'm saying? So they're generally they're pretty stoic cats and they'll lose a finger and barbed wire and not a not a single tear. No, and I'll just wrap it up with some burlap and finish up the chores. So this is interesting. He said that Bill told him, I want someone to know what happened before I die. Promise me you'll take care of Doug and Laurie. Oh my God. So he's like, I don't know what's up with that. So it's a little bit weird. Now November 10th, 1994, it's about 5 p.m. So almost almost supper time on the old farm. Not to hear that dinner, but to ring that triangle. So this is when a 9-1-1 call comes in or a call from the sheriff to the sheriff's department or something comes in, whatever their emergency service is. However it's done. It's from 12-year-old Laurie. Oh, she's calling. She's apparently her brother came home from school that day and they were in the house and their father Bill came in and said, help call for help right now. Call an ambulance for your mother. Now he's bleeding too. He's all fucked up too. So they're like, what's going on here? He's a call ambulance for your mother. And so I guess they called his parents Charles and Betty because they live right down the street as Laurie called. I don't know if Laurie called 911 after that or Charles and Betty called 911, but someone ended up calling 911. Now help arrives and William is hurt. He's saying that both... He and Deborah were run over by the combine. Oh my God, it became sentient. By the gut. Well, it's like the Christine combine. It's very scary. It's a Stephen King combine. That's crazy. How do you do that? His particular combine is a John Deere model 6620, a 21,000 pound combine. God. It's 21,000 pounds of engine and knives. That's what it's coming at you. It's a nightmare machine. Ten and a half tons of vehicle. If you put a cannon on top, you could take that thing in the battle. It's fucking crazy. Is there ever... Some of those two have remote control, so you don't even have to be in it. Well, this one doesn't quite have a remote, but... Okay. A remote was used. 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The report said William was injured when he realized it and got out and tried to attempt to save her. He was injured as well. So that's the story here. She was pronounced dead at the scene. He was taken to the hospital and he was taken to one hospital. First then transferred to another hospital. So more serious one where he was listed in guarded condition. Whoa. So that's not good. The problem is there's some suspicions with this with this story doesn't all fit together right. That's a crazy story. You don't drive a machine, a knife van. A knife tank. You know what I mean? A crop knife tank. Yeah. Without looking at the mirrors. I would have made it. I would have made it. Yeah. You got to look in the rear view if you back it up. Then again, it's not a real fast moving vehicle and it's gigantic and loud. So you would know to get the fuck out of the way if that thing's coming at you don't exactly need one of those beat beat beat backup buttons. Get out of the way. Knifehack coming. It's not a 70 challenger. It doesn't. You don't got a feather of the clots. Not at all. Exactly. It's not a 68 Nova. It's not trying to make sure you don't spin the tires. Jesus Christ. So the tale of the one of those sheriffs here. This is the not away county sheriff Ben Espie. He said that now he said the call came from Doug the son, but it's Lori. So I don't know. But he said some things didn't fit. There was evidence on the scene. Things happened in a certain order. The items and evidence were there. Get some cryptic shit he's saying, right? Sure enough. So William is in the hospital and his brother Wayne comes to chat with him. There are some talks here. Now Wayne's coming out. James was just here. He was just here. Now we're getting Wayne in here. And he says I got to talk to you Wayne. I got to tell you something. What's that? He said at the scene there was Deborah Joe and there was a black cat that she was reaching for and he said that here's what happened. I killed that black cat. He said I killed it with a hammer. He smacked the cat and then I put it under the combine and I called for Deborah to come get the cat out from under the combine and save it. You diabolical son of a bitch. That is using her love of that. Come save the cat. It's under the combine. I don't want to kill it. Oh my god. And it was already dead. He said he told this is another thing he told Wayne. Yeah come get the dead cat. He told Wayne that he used a string to pull the hydrostat lever back starting the combine in a rearward motion. He tied a fucking long piece of twine to it so he could do it from back there to crusher. What the fuck? That's what he tells his brother. He said he threw the cat under the combine to lure his wife underneath and he got his flying rope. He got this twine out and did this. He told his brother everything. Now his brother who clearly isn't Italian goes right to the sheriff's department. That's information. That's his wife. He goes. I got to kill the cat. Yeah. I don't think that's crazy. I mean I'm not a big fan of Deborah Joe but he killed a cat. Now I feel horrible for these kids at this point. Do you got a 12 year old and a 10 year old and unbelievable and your dad's operating the combine with ropes to kill mom and the cat and your and the smack and cats in the head with a hammer. That's crazy. I feel terrible for these kids. That's just a every step was on purpose. That's so bad. So yeah, it's awful. So the sheriff shows up to talk to Bill about this. Yeah. And they go, Bill. Yeah. Wayne just came. We heard some things. He told us some crazy shit. And Bill went, yep, I killed her. Oh, that's a good, a good, a good take. Now Bill, I heard a couple of things. Well, you're right. I did it. Okay. Hey, Bill, do you tell your brother something? He told us. He did. Damn him. Yeah, he's right. He said he'd been depressed. Uh huh. So you know, you make a diabolical plan to kill your wife with a combine. This by the way, we've never had a combine as a murder weapon ever. No, it's crazy. I guess I mean, I imagine, I don't know for sure. I imagine you're hit with a combine. It's quick, man. It's gotta be like a wood shipper, right? It's what it is. It's a wood shipper with four wheels. This kind of gets worse though. Oh, no. I don't think it would be quick, but anyway. No. Yeah, he said, this is his quote that he tells the sheriff quote, I decided to say, maybe she was, I was just so upset. I never anticipated it before. I had no idea. I found out from some rumors that before, maybe she was running around on me, often on for the last couple of years, but I wanted to put it out of my mind and not believe it. And they said, so I backed over with the John with a year, like, in 21,000 pound combine. Wow. Um, because I thought maybe she was running around a couple of years ago. I wanted to run it off, maybe her tell of it. No, I came home and she was blowing a guy on the couch. Yeah, that would be something at least still not don't do this, but at least it was. Yeah, maybe snapped or something. This is imagining it is way worse than seeing it. Yeah, but you still have to know it's true before he started making murder. Because if you imagine it, if you imagine it, you think she's enjoying it more than, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah. But if you actually see it and you go, oh, he's not even fucking her good. That would be, it'd be so much easier to be like, oh, gross. They fucked terribly. Uh, but in your head, you see her really loving it. That'll drive you crazy fucking crazy. So he said, I took a hammer and I killed the cat. Oh my God. Now the coroner, this is crazy to the coroner is going to examine the cat. The human coroner is going to have a, yeah, that's fun as well. What's the liverway, Doc? Uh, we'll find out. But the cat's skin was unbroken, had no lacerations or wounds consistent with farm machinery. So he was there, killed by a hammer blow to the head. That's it. They found bruising on its neck, evidence of blunt force trauma from around it on being held. Yep. Being held. So which pisses me off, obviously, that's fucked up. That's a, and that's a terrible way to kill that too. It's awful. And I love it. That's not over the sack. I don't right. I have no idea. Imagine it rides and never taking a cat to a hammer to a cat before I had no idea. I was thinking, God, no, yeah, I imagine. I think you hit the head. It, it has death convulsions. I would think I don't want to see that. That's fucked up. So he said he knew his wife loved animals and he knew if she believed the cat was trapped under the combine, she would try to rescue it. So he just threw the dead cat's body under the car, the combine. And that's that. He said when Deborah just, he said, Hey, Deborah, Joe, come help me. She did exactly what he knew. She tried to save the cat crawled under the combine to retrieve this animal. And that was that. So he, he said, quote, this is the quote to the sheriff. He said that he ran over both of them and continued in a circle until it's the combine ran over both of them, meaning him too. That's how he got injured too. He couldn't get out of the way of it. And continued in a circle until it backed into the shed. That's this thing has a mind of its own sentient. Then William Taylor moved the combine back to a location near Deborah and put the string in a hog lot next to the lane. So took that twine he used and went and threw it in a hog lot over next to him there. Over over over yonder. Apparently. So yeah, that's, that's what he said. He said the grab that hydra stat, push it forward and the combine moves forward, pull it back. It moves backward. All you have to do is you can get back. Yeah, you could. That's crazy. That's what he said. This is so much. Yeah, he said, um, he rolled over his wife. He told investigators that he panicked when he saw his wife crawl under the combine. He said he didn't attempt to pull the lever to stop the machine. He instead tried to grab his wife before being run over himself. That's his story. But we're going to find out that's not exactly the truth either. Really? He regrets it. As if this isn't bad enough. Yeah, you're in so much trouble. Just be honest. It's worse than that. Yeah. Oh, what? It's fucking worse than that. How? He'd wonder, right? So the authorities believe that Bill had discussed also because he brought this up somehow with the sheriffs or with his brother that he also had talked about possibly killing the two children as well. Get the fuck out. Yes. He talked about killing Laurie and Doug as well as his wife after this and the cat. Clean sweep. Yeah. And one big thing. Let's kill him all. He's going to run him all over with the combine. I'm not sure. I'm going to house down. I don't have no idea. But that's what he was talking about. Um, that is, uh, that's wild here. Um, now the kids were the hell are they? Obviously. Well, they are with Robert and Joanne, the mom and dad of Debbie here. They're in Iowa holding onto the kids at the moment. Um, so, uh, the after that, the cops go back and search the tailor farm. They take pictures. They take measurements, including measurements of the combine where it was, where she was, how it would have backed. It's, you know, trajectory of turning and radius and all that shit. They found the piece of twine near where Deborah's body had been lying the previous evening. They said the corner wrote that, um, authorities had recovered a, from a hog lot, a 10 foot, seven inch long piece of synthetic twine, which was placed into evidence. They also found what appeared to be the source of the twine, which is a spool in a garage. A few hundred feet from where the body was found. They seized the cat, the cat's corpse. Yeah. They had no idea to even look for a dead cat the day before or to take, they wouldn't think, take a dead cat. It's a farm, maybe a cat die. Who knows? So now they go back and they know they need to take this cat because they, sure, I've done it. And they found, like we said, consistent with a hammer blow, uh, blow inconsistent with combine machinery, uh, then the corner disposed of the cat's corpse. Didn't keep it in evidence or anything. Oh, because it's a, what, where the hell does the corner give a dead cat? Yeah. Yeah. So stick that in the freezer this whole time. It gets what I mean. It's so weird. I mean, nowadays I guess you'd keep it and freeze it. I don't know. Yeah, you got to have it in a freezer somewhere, but that's the, the corners got to now have a fucking freezer for animals. And this is over 30 years ago in rural Missouri. Yeah. So I mean, you're going to tell the some corner here. Yeah, hang on to that cat. There might be forensic things that I threw that out. It's a minute I was done with it. Yeah. So that's a hammer blow and through it. Yeah. Jesus. So the cat was evidence, but you know, so what? So I mean, like I said, I'm not, I'm not saying it's good to throw the cat out. I'm just saying what were they going to do with it at that point? Now the human corner examines Deborah Joe here. And okay, they find in addition to her combine wounds or obvious combine wounds, they find some wounds that are not consistent with the combine. What is that? They find lacerations to her forehead caused by blunt force. What? Like they find bruising to her left eye caused by blunt force. They find contusions on her chest and fractured ribs on her left side and a crushed pelvis. She got her ass kicked. Yes, that's the thing. Now the crushed pelvis and the fractured ribs, they think they probably combine. But the facial injuries were not consistent with her being run over by a combine. Whatsoever. Whatsoever. They said her injuries, at least some of them are 100% not combine injuries. They said that a blow to her face was inflicted by something other than the combine. And he combine, he said, that's what caused her death was her blow to the face, not the combine. That hard of a blow that it broke her. Yeah, it broke her. It broke her. Yeah, broke her skull frag. Brain trauma. That kind of shit. Yes. And then the combine wounds were just, you know, super, they're also not superficial, but super flawless injuries. Yeah, say that. Superfluous. Yeah, that's the word. So a couple days extra. Not needed, but they're anyway fine. There you go. I'm going to join up with a fabulous. I don't know what it means. Vocabulary quarter with James and Jimmy. That's fun stuff. Now, November 18th, this is less than a week after this happened. Yeah. He's let out on bond bill is what? Yes, he a hundred thousand dollar bond is posted for her. Remember, they're not wealthy, but pretty well off farmers. So they can't have money for bonds and lawyers and things like that. It really gives a shit about it to people, huh? It's a lot. Yeah, it's that's crazy. So anyway, the police guard and his hotel or his hotel is hospital room is removed because of the bond. Yeah, he's free to be in the hospital. The bond was secured by property. Now, part of this is that he's not allowed to go near the kids if they come back to the county to visit relatives. He has to like get away from anywhere that they might be. So June, 1995 here. Yeah. I believe this is the same time the OJ trial is going on by the likes. Once later, yeah, otherwise I feel like combined murder would have been a bigger story. That's huge. It wasn't there. So there is a motion to suppress. This is pre trial. Williams defense attorneys file a motion to suppress some evidence. They're talking about the twine. Yeah. Number one, all of the shit. They're saying that the search that they did the day after the death where they found they came and got the cat and they made measurements and got the twine. That should all be thrown out. Okay. This is based on this is their argument. The state shall not be permitted to enter into evidence or referred to during the trial. Any matters seized by the state during a warrantless searches of November 11th and 12th. None of the photos or diagrams may be used. No simulation or testing conducted during these searches may be referred to at the trial. The cat autopsy and evidence related there too will be permitted. That's it. The cat autopsy only. Okay. We'll be permitted. None of the but the twine that they found, which is a big deal because that's how he was using as a remote control. Right. That can't be used. So that's they grant their motion and suppress all this shit. Okay. So they're like, damn it. That's that's kind of that's kind of shitty. They said these searches were conducted without a warrant. Why would you not get a goddamn warrant? What is going on? Well, I mean, I get that we're in the middle of nowhere and Missouri, but well, he called it here. So we just looked. Yeah. Well, that'd be if it was all then, that'd be fine. Yeah. The problem is they came back. They came back the next day because at first, it just looked like a horrible accident. They took it to face value, save everybody, take it. This one of the hospital. Then when he said, oh, and then they then Wayne says this and they're like, well, now we got a search. Well, they, and then they went to him and he said, yeah, this is what I did. So they went, cool. Let's go back there and find everything. But they didn't get a written consent to search. All they had to do was say, can you sign this and we'll let me have consent, but you still get it. Even if they sign for consent, you still get a warrant and a murder case in a case of murder of it. You do. They do it all the time. So they said, just in case, let's get just so they don't say we coerced. So just to know all this shit out. Exactly. This is important. Shit. So, yeah, law enforcement, quote, didn't think they needed one. Huh? I didn't know what to do that. What's that now? That's like a football coach going, oh, I didn't know we needed plays. I didn't realize that. Oh, shit. Oh, wow. We are really. Oh, boy. Guys in profit up out there. Really. Yes. Yes. And like a motherfucker. I don't know. That is wild. So July, 1995, now they get it. Now they get a search warrant to return to the farm in July, which a year later, great. Good job, guys. I know it's a year. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, a little less than a year. So they get, they get this is to do measurements. They can't have the twine. That's already gone. They already go that. But they can do measurements on the combine to see how it turns. How far? Yeah. How long this is so they can, you know, make diagrams for court. Yeah. Like that. So they go to do this. They open up the shed. The combine's not there. Where did it go? It's fucking gone. Where's the. How we got bond? They ended up finding it in a shed on a property belonging to his father. The he had his dad take the combine away. It was put away. Yeah. Which is, you know, less than a mile away, but they locate the shed. Would they think they weren't going to search every shed? Everybody had for it. You can't hide a 21,000 pound combine. What'd you do with it? Yeah. How many of your family members have big sheds? We're looking at all of them. So anyway, they went to Charles Taylor's home, gave him a copy of the war. It said, can you please unlock that shed? Thank you. Sure thing. They opened it up and there we go. There we go. There's the John Deere. So they move it to a nearby John Deere facility to measure it and photograph it and videotape all of that shit and everything. The evidence, the measurements, photographs and videotape. This is all going to be crucial at trial because the measurements help established at Deborah's facial injuries could not have been caused by the combine. That helps prove that. That's in all that. Yeah. At this point, they assign a special prosecutor. I think so much has been fucked up so far. They're like, okay, we got to get somebody half decent in here. We're getting a special prosecutor. So they do. This is with the attorney general's office. They come in of the state and they decide that this isn't a second degree murder. This is a first degree murder. Absolutely. To do this. It's diabolical. Jesus Christ. The string that's playing at the string and the cat and the string isn't even true. As we'll find out what? Oh, it's crazy. So the attorney general said that they've changed changing it from second to first degree murder and review of the facts. We believe there was some deliberation on his part. No shit. We believe that the evidence will show such deliberation. Now at the same time in civil court, there's actions going on as well. Okay. The children, his children have, I'm sure someone helped them with this. I don't think they went to an attorney themselves. 12 and 10. Listen, we got a file. Five for work. Yeah. We're representing ourselves. Yep. They're seeking unspecified damages in a wrongful death accusation against their father. And an insurance company has named the children and their father in another action seeking to nullify coverage in a policy. The family held trying to fuck these kids out of money now. Wow. The company asked the court for a debt, a debt, a debtor, a debtor, a judgment of non coverage on the policy and those civil actions were pending here when this case goes to trial. Wow. It's a seven woman five man jury and so ugly James. It's ugly. So the defense mounts, here's their deal here. Here's their multi fucking faceted attack here. They said the judge who issued the warrant had previously disqualified himself from the case. So there was that. They said, so the warrant that they got for July shouldn't count. Oh, well, the judge found that didn't matter. The cops went through the proper procedures and everything is fine. And he is a judge. So it's legal. Doesn't just because he's not on that case. Uh, and they also said the evidence would have been discovered anyway through other legal means. It's inevitable discovery. Eventually they would have legally been able to measure a combine. You know what I mean? So they also said the affidavit supporting the search warrant was wasn't right. They argued that the warrant relied on information obtained during the illegal November searches. So that shouldn't count either. The court said, no, he confessed to using twine to cause the combine to roll over his white. That confession would have led investigators to the combine, no matter what they found while doing warrantless searches. Another inevitable discovery. They also said William Taylor had no standing to challenge the search because the combine was on his father's property, not his. And the prop prosecution argued that Taylor couldn't claim for the amendment protection for a search conducted on someone else's property. So you don't have standing to do that. Right. You, you volunteered to have that be away from your property. That's the thing. Someone took that and the evidence should have been obtained through discovery rules, not a search warrant. And they said, eh, tomato tomato. All right. And I'm saying, you know, what are we talking about here? This is 21,000, you know, what are we talking about? The court said, get the fuck out of here essentially. Um, he can't claim he's, he's like shocked that the prosecution wants to check out the combine because that's essentially what he's trying to do. I mean, you told them that that's what killed her man. They want to get it. So the combine evidence is allowed in the measurements and videotape are admitted at trial. And there's that now there is evidence that is not allowed. There's an agreement between the prosecution and defense to exclude certain topics from the proceedings. Like what? This is stipulated between both of them. At the start of the trial, both sides agreed they will not mention Deborah Taylor's relationship with her mother for some reason. We don't know why that is. I mean, we could speculate till the cows come back to this farm and that cat comes back to life. But who knows? The obvious one is that there was conversations had, right? We, yeah, I don't know a bad relationship. A good, we are not going to who knows. And number two, just quote an abortion. Oh, so we don't know who had the abortion. Candlest. Yeah, her mother and an abortion. This is a good guy. I've never wanted to know more information that is suppressed and not allowed in this trial. I need all that's the only story I want now. That's it, right? Totally. So there was topics, these are topics related to Deborah's psychological treatment. And her psychologist had apparently had information about these issues from their therapy sessions. And they're going to allow the psychologist and his notes, but not those two things. Can't talk about those two things. No lawyers can bring it up. And if it is brought up, it has to be shut down. Got it. So during cross examination later on, the defense started asking about about Deborah Joe's relationships with quote, other family members and the prosecution said, didn't we agree to this? Right. What do we do? What the hell, man? And the judge said the court interprets the same stipulation applies not only while with not only the case in chief, but the rebuttal or saw, sir, rebuttal or whatever. So can't do it essentially. The trial judge does not allow the evidence obviously from the search warrants that never happened, the twine and all that. The prosecution's case is presented thusly. They have evidence supporting a theory that Deborah have struggled with her husband before her death. So they're saying from her facial wounds, he did killing the cat, putting it under their lowering her would have been bad enough. The fight and then placed and then run over. He tried to lower her with the cat. He killed the cat, tried to lower her. They're saying she didn't buy it. So he beat the shit out of her and threw her under the combine and then roll over. That's that's that's way worse. Some is a when I said it's worse and you go out of fuck is it worse? This is worse, right? So the order is so fucked. It's fucked. Well, that's so bad. I'll just beat her senseless and throw her under that. I'm murked a cat and that wasn't enough. Dude, it's fucking crazy. So there's that. The prosecution says the combine's dimensions were inconsistent with causing the facial injury sustained. It's basically mathematically impossible for the combine to have caused facial injuries. And they said if Deborah was conscious when she crawled under the combine, she would have tried to escape when the combine started moving. So even if she did crawl under and then escape it, that's probably when the physical confrontation happened. So either she wouldn't go under there or she did and then said, hey, you're trying to run me over. Yeah. Either way, he had to beat her and throw her under there. Beat her to death, essentially, and throw her under that. Right. So the the injury that killed her was the beating. Yeah. Forge. It was poat. Like it's a he didn't know that she wasn't dead. You know that she was already dead. But that's a post mortem run over with a combine. A combine essentially. God damn. They said the plan went awry and they said, quote, that Debbie Joe Taylor was not run over while going for the cat. He said there was a struggle before Debbie Taylor was killed and they, obviously the medical examiner talks about the, she had a black eye, elaceration and other injuries to her face, apparently unrelated to being run over. Now the defense tries to undermine this by presenting medical testimony that rebuts the struggle thing of the fight. Yeah. But the, it doesn't matter because the pathologist and the measurements both say whatever happened or face wasn't caused by the combine. So unless Doug and Laurie jumped her in the house, then she came outside, which we highly doubt. And you know, whatever. So the defense doesn't challenge the scenario at all because he admitted to it. And it's a, I mean, he's got long report of his, his confession. That's not good. They instead try to establish a case for mental disease or defect. Basically, depression, focusing on what they call his delusions. They say he's got delusions. Oh, what are these? They said, but the injuries to her face, the state contends were resolved to the struggle. And they say, well, who knows? If these delusions aren't, this was going to cure her depression, then I don't give a fuck because it's murder either way. It's fucking murder. So the defense opening, they, they have a forensic psychiatrist that they're going to talk to a whole bunch. And they said that, that basically in the opening that the psychologist will back this up, that bill progressively lost his grip on reality over the 1994. To the point of mistakenly coming to believe that his wife was involved with other men in plan to divorce him. Said that wasn't even the case. They're saying, but he believed it because he was delusional. The defense lawyer said in his mind, he saw things that were not true and things that were just not there. And once he had those beliefs, he, and this is the legal language that you got to have, he could not conform his conduct to the law. He was in a word insane. Yeah, that's right. And for him is, wow, that's a, whoo, that's right to the letter law there. When I get it. Yeah. Now the prosecution's first witnesses. Yeah. Who do you think they are? They're the kids. No, that's so fucked up. It's, I, I, I, I always feel bad for kids in this situation, but imagine your mom is dead and you have to go into, imagine being 12, 13, 11 and 13 and having to go into a courtroom, which would be terrifying at that age. Go up on the witness stand with all these grown up staring at you and then tell horrible things that I can't imagine the stereotypical black robe guy sitting right there elevated above you. Yeah. All things terrify their time. Can you speak into the microphone better? I'm sorry. I'm not used to this. I'm 11 with my high voice. I don't, yeah. This isn't even me. I'm going to be a completely different person than three. God. So they described Lori as a slender blonde and a simple striped dress took the stand with a multi-colored cast or splint on her right leg. She's hurt herself. She too. Something doing normal kid shit. Hopefully they'll run over by a combine. She told the jury that her and her brother had come home from school. They were in the house. Her father asked for help. She called the ambulance. She called his parents. That's that. So yeah, that's, can you imagine? No, I'm going to do that. They came. So they were there at the house. They were there. Their bedrooms doing homework or whatever the kitchen watching TV doing whatever. Doing after school shit watching Ricky Lake. I have no idea. Yeah. 94 richer baby. I don't know. So they're not supposed to watch Adam. Sure. That was the best fucking. That was crazy. Yeah. That was insanity. It was in. Everything was like the most horrible parts of society. Oh, it was every. Yeah. It was the trashy underbelly. Yeah, with, with a sound effects guy in the booth making fun of them. Yeah. Yeah. It was a morning radio, but with white trash. So then Doug takes the stand. Yeah. He's not even 11 yet. I don't think here. Oh, Jesus. He takes the stand and I can't imagine how scary. Wow. Doug hats off the bravery on that. Laurie too. I'm just a Doug's younger. It's all the same. So he tells, he's the star witness. He has to go in there and he's the kid who's going to bury his father and he has to and it's I feel so bad for him. He said that his father had given him a pocket knife to remove some string from the combine, but he couldn't find the string. He told he involved his 10 year old son to try to cover up his fucking murder plot. This piece of shit. Oh, James, I don't know that that's what he was doing. What? The string? Was it running? I get no, he was supposed to go in the combine to cut the string off of the fucking thing. Uh huh. So on the lever. God, he was hurt in there. I thought you're talking about like inside the cat out here. A couple of them. Yeah. Underneath the combine in the cutters, there's some twine. Get in there with my knife and cut it out. It won't start and I promise. It gets worse. He returned to the house because his father was in the house the whole time. Yeah. He returned to the house and he said his father sent him back out to place a dead cat near the arms of his mother. He said he sent the 10 year old out to put the cat closer to his to this poor child dead mother. He had to go. He had to go to your mom out there, put this cat buyer, put it, see, make it look like she's reaching for the cat. Essentially that's now where we put all the dead things. Dude, you know what I mean? This poor kid on every level. Why did he do that? So both kids were asked separately if their father had ever hurt them or they had seen him hurt their mother. He also asked if their family life had been a happy one. Both said the family had been good and that Bill had never hurt them and that they never seen him hurt their mother. This is a yeah, aberration. When he finished, they're doing that to frame the part where he doesn't know right from wrong. Well, yeah, putting a dead cat out there next to her. Why did you do that? It's a big flaw that this is wrong. Right. That's what I mean. So put it closer to your mom. But the dead cat closer out there. So Doug, when he's done testifying, broke into tears and was led out of the courtroom by a relative. This is horrifying. Now the defense witnesses, I don't know how good these are for him, but his brother James, who said that, you know, he was crying, talking about his wife having an affair and all that. They're trying to show that his mental state wasn't good. He's saying he had like halting speech and was weeping and all this type of shit. Whaling. Then they bring in the shrink, Dr. Logan. This is forensic psychiatrist, William Logan. And he said that William was doing a quote on again, off again, dance with sanity in the hours before the slaying of his wife. He was sort of saying sort of not. He said he's suffering from a delusionary disorder and severe depression. He said he was depressed over the contents of his delusions. So his delusions made him depressed. They said his wife, he thought his wife was cheating on him, planning to take the two children away, get a divorce, in cross examination, though, they challenged the diagnosis of delusionary disorder by questioning the psychiatrist's assumptions that his clients deceased wife and indeed been happy with her husband. So the state suggestion was saying, maybe it wasn't delusional. Maybe she wasn't happy and he was just pissed off about it, which is not, you're not crazy. You're just sad because your wife's leaving you because you're an asshole. Right. And part of the 90s is to not admit that you've got fucking broken heart. Oh, no. Yeah, you're doing a sanity one. Yeah, sanity fox. Tron, I don't know if it's upbeat or not, but one way or another, you're two. It's up barely. It's an upbeat. The tango actually, it's romantic. Sexy. But the point is like you can't admit that you, so you kind of go back and forth between this is my life and this is my sad reality. And then this is my life and this is my sad reality. That's right. They said also, maybe he wasn't being delusional after all. It was concerned about the financial impact of Alamone and child support payments. Maybe that was how he speculating shit. God damn it. So the assistant attorney general produced a workbook of Debra's that contained references to divorce or separation and child support. And they said, is this the thing you would like to have seen before you got on the stand? They asked the doctor, would you have liked to see that? And he said, I would like to have seen the whole notebook. Later under a second direct examination, because they redirect and recross and do all this a few times, because he's the main cog here. Does that the jury believes him? They said that the material in the notebook would not have affected his diagnosis. Now in his notes, they talk about interviews with Bill that this doctor had, where he had been considering killing his wife with the combine since the day before her death, which is rehabilitation. Yeah. The testimony also revealed that earlier in the day of her death, he had considered deliberately wrecking the family car during a trip to St. Joseph and killing everybody. Just yankin' into a bridge. That's it. He considered it after noticing his wife had dosed off and wasn't wearing a seatbelt. He was wearing a seatbelt. So he said, I could shoot her right through the windshield right now if I wanted to, which we've actually had a case like that exactly like that. But we've never had a combine. God damn it. Just talk you guys. Have conversations with people and this shit goes away. Yeah. Jesus Christ. So they talk about that. They said to the visible irritation of the doctor, the prosecutor at one point referred to the defense's theory of Bill Taylor's fluctuating sanity as the quote, light switch theory of delusion. As he was reading a definition of delusionary disorder from an industry text, the prosecutor took the view that the term variable in the text meant varying in nature from one person to another. And he shared that note with Dr. Logan. Dr. Logan shouted, no, it fluctuates within the individual. So now they're arguing over the meaning of this word in this sentence. It depends on what the definition of is as we're going now on the stand. So they said the doctor and the prosecutor, a doctor said the prosecutor oversimplified the definition of the disorder and its nature by reading only a small portion of the defining text. They said that he would the prosecutor said, well, I'll defer to the jury's interpretation of what it meant. They can decide which one of us is right. Because that's how they're them in their PhD them in their fucking empties. He's just like, that's like I addressed. So it was during a critical series of insane moments on the day of the slaying with Dr. testified that he rigged the compound, the combine so we could activate it by remote string and do all that shit. He also said in another point that his mental disorder was fluctuating back and forth within seconds while he was in the process of slaying his wife within seconds. He said during a rational moment, he tried to save his wife from the combined wheels, but injured himself in the process in response to one of the questions. Dr. Logan told the jury his client had improved in therapy and he's good now. Oh, is that right? You could let him walk right out the door and he'll be cool. He goes, he's no longer a threat to society. I'm an amazing therapist. I am so good at this. Several shrinks for the state completely disagree with all of this shit. They say hell no. He may have been depressed and he may have had an adjustment disorder, but that's not, I don't know the difference between right and wrong killing my wife is fine by the law delusional. That's crazy. One guy here, Dr. Daniel Birmingham, he said, I believe he was genuinely distressed. He said, I don't believe divorce or separation justifies homicide though. Right. There you go. He said also, no one will ever know for sure whether she was about to leave her husband, but his account of her behavior was consistent with that possibility. He was not seeing things that were not there. He was. There's a valley between distressed and disturbed. Yeah. If you're just sad because your wife's leaving, you can't kill her. You're not crazy. Is she? She would have threw the passenger window. If she was like, oh, our relationships never have been better. And he's like, she's going to divorce me. I have to kill her. That then maybe you're delusional. They also bar a newspaper for taking photographs. There was like no photographs of this fucking man or anything about this because they had ordered no photographs be taken and barred a newspaper who took a photograph so that no one else got any. I have one grainy newspaper picture of him being led into court and handcuffs. That's it. The verdict comes in. There's a separate instruction for the jury when it receives the case will deal with the defense's effort to prove the mental illness. Basically, you can find first degree murder. You can find second degree murder under diminished mental capacity or you can find just crazy. Yeah. They find him guilty of first degree murder. First, of course. First degree murder. He was taken into custody. The judge told him, I'm sorry, but that's the way things are. Because he said, I want to continue my bond and they're like, nope, you're going. Go it. Mrs. Deborah Joe's mom said justice was served. The children will suffer all their lives, but we'll take care of them. Yeah, the poor kids, man. I mean, they're in their 30s now. Presentencing comes around and they're talking about trying to figure out. They basically, they said the defendant, the defendant was prejudice by the court's admission of evidence, especially the videotape. So they're before sentencing, they're trying to get shit thrown out or they're basically trying to say we should have an acquittal, a judge acquittal, a betcha acquittal because of this evidence that shouldn't have been allowed in. In sentencing Bill speaks, he says the results of the trial were not understandable to me. I've tried to be a decent person. To this day, I don't know why and how this happened. He said, my wife's death was a terrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened. And the judge actually said, I think everyone in the court, room would agree with that. Bill, what are you doing? Then he condemned the media for quote, distorted coverage of him and said he would appeal this conviction. He said that they said, have your attorneys represented him well and he said, not really. He said, I wanted them to enter Christmas gifts that I bought for Deborah before her death to show how much we loved each other. The judge said, well, that wouldn't have mattered. You, sir, may fuck off life without parole. Wow. Eat Dicks, Bill. Yeah. I'll give them forever. Also, there's a land transfer under scrutiny here. There was a, there was a, I guess an attorney saying that's recently come to our attention that Bill Taylor has seen fit to attempt to transfer all of his real estate, which he holds record title. So he's trying to transfer it. Yeah, they don't take it to Charles and Betty, his parents there. Yeah. So he appeals on the, the things the combine should have been suppressed. The coroner's testimony about the cat, uh, limited cross examination of Deborah's psychologist, not talking about her mom or the quote, worship. Doesn't matter conviction affirmed. Eat Dicks, keep going. Bill still in prison, I think. I can't, I can't find Bill. I looked through the Missouri inmates. I couldn't find a guy with that date of birth. A lot of William Taylor's, there's like, oh, I'm sure. But none of them murder him. So I don't know which one is which. But there you go. Very quickly here. We got to bust through the end. Sure. Shut up and give me murder. Dot com is where he get the tickets for live shows. Nashville February 21st, Europe first, a bunch of them are selling out. Get your tickets right now. Patreon.com slash crime in sports, all the bonus material that you can fucking handle. 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