Conan O'Brien needs a fan. Want to talk to Conan? Visit teamcoco.com slash call Conan. Okay, let's get started. Hi Sandra, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan. Hi, oh my gosh, I'm so excited to be here. Hi Sandra, how are you? I'm doing so well Conan, how are you? I'm good, first question, where are you? I never know where in the world anybody is, where are you? Right now I'm in Lakewood, I have a perfume shop in Huntington Beach and I spent almost all my time in Huntington Beach. My sister lives in Huntington Beach. Okay, so you're in California, you're in California. Yeah. Yeah, gotcha. I'm sorry, you said something man. Just that my sister lives in Huntington Beach, do you know her? I don't know her name but I probably know her. Her name is Greta Gourley. No. Greta Gourley. It's Jenny Gourley. Yeah, I just talked to her yesterday at Trader Joe's. Yeah, she wanders around, she wears really thick sandals. She says, I am Greta. Sandra, I apologize, I think we got off to a little bit of a foolish start and that never happens here. These are my compatriots of course, you're probably familiar with if you're a fan. That's Sassona and that's Matt, brother of Greta Gourley. And tell us a little bit about yourself, what do you do? So I quit my engineering job two years ago to start a perfume shop, a beauty shop. So that was my dream and I was one of those people during COVID who life slowed down and I pursued what I really wanted to do. So you make sense, is that right? I sell perfume and skincare, makeup. Good for you. And so you were an engineer, you trained as an engineer, you were working as an engineer and one day you said, I'm done, I want to start making sense, which is a play on the old Talking Heads album. No, I think that's actually very good. And Sandra, I can see, I mean, you're not laughing, but I know on the inside this is killing with you. It was so quiet. You said that and it was so quiet. It was a kind of quiet, you only hear in very deep space. Respond. So this is something that you've been thinking about your whole life is making perfumes and skincare products. I always loved it. I didn't realize it could be a career. I just thought engineering was a career and then beauty products, you just like it on the side. I didn't realize I could actually partake in it. Yeah. So let's talk about it. What are you making? I mean, some of the products that you're making, are these products that I would use could I use your products? Yeah, I'm a shop. So I sell, I have brand partners. So I sell a lot of great perfume brands and other skincare brands. Do you think that she makes everything like all the makeup and stuff? Is that what I was thinking? I thought that maybe she's got a lab and she's mixing. I did too. You know, she said she was an engineer. Oh, I just thought she like found a perfume that she liked and sold it in her shop. I didn't think that. I actually thought, oh, she's an engineer. She's she's got this science background. She's probably putting bits of skunk into a blender and making a perfume or whale vomit, ambergris, you know, and she's taking very various herbs and seeds and doing all these experiments long into the night. That's what I thought, Sandra. And now I'm finding out that you just you go to a drug store, you buy some jupe and then you sell it. No, no. A lot of really smart people have perfumeries that do that. And I think what I really liked was I was one of the early adopters onto TikTok shop. So within six months of TikTok shop founding, I got on that. I made like three videos a day, just just sharing perfumes and their sense and trying to find the right fit for people, making videos in my car, you know. So why were you making videos in your car? The algorithm, Conan. Oh, what? You know what? I've decided in the modern era, all you have to answer to any question is the algorithm. Yeah. You know, why did you get coffee ice cream? The algorithm, Sandra. Correct. Yeah. So the the TikTok algorithm likes it if you're in your car. Is that true? That's correct. Oh, this is trial and error. But then weird, just with the car background, it just gets more views, you want to respond to a comment that also helps get views. I wonder if that's because it looks intimate, but also urgent, like you're going some place. There must be something that plays into our sense that this is important if this person is giving me this message in a car. Is the car moving? I hope not. I think it would be, you know, it would be really urgent and get a lot of clicks if you were in a very fast moving car. Like an F1 car. Yeah. F1 car. And you were going, maybe I'm just going to say 160 miles an hour. Should we do the podcast that way? All three of us in an F1. No. Yes. One really wide bodied F1 where we're all together. You just see our heads rocketing around with helmets on. So, OK, I want to get into, that's interesting. Being a moving car, what are the other rules for making a successful TikTok video that gets people to buy your product? Besides a moving car? Yeah. Yeah. Great question. I think it's a big part is the hook. 80 percent of the work, the first like two, three seconds, you want to, you want to grab them so like, you know, never buy this perfume. If you buy this perfume, you're going to regret it because it's going to make all the guys cheat on their wives. They won't stop smelling you. Just like hook them in, you know, do a little twist and then. So, I mean, good hooks would be, there's a meteor coming. There's one place to hide. And then you're like, wait, what, what, where do I hide? No need to hide if you're wearing this perfume. So you get them with an urgent message first. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. You're really fast. Yeah. Yeah. I think I could do that. We should start doing that. These are things we could. OK. From now on on the podcast, it's the three of us in an F1. Every podcast doesn't start with hi, I'm blank and I want to be Conan O'Brien's friend. We're not doing that shit anymore. It's your house is on fire, but I can stop it. And then you're like, wait, what? How do you going to wait? Where is my house on fire? How can I stop it? Well, today we have Ike Berenholz. And we're going to talk about comedy improv. And so, and it's going to, so, and it's going to tell a story about the time that she stayed out really late and had too much to drink a bunch of years ago. When she was irresponsible. Nice. Nice. Yeah. OK, well, this is good. I'm learning things. And then how do you end a TikTok video? What do you do? What's the way to end it? Appropriate. Well, they all ended a car crash. Yes, they are going to when the car is moving. But before we die, click the click. Oh, no, Sandra. That was dark. I'm so sorry. I'm appropriate. Yeah, but they got to they got to make the purchase. No, they really can't. They you can buy them. You can buy right on on TikTok shop. And usually there's like, there's a timer, there's an exclusive deal. It depends on how how you do it. If you have like a perfume channel and you're more for the long term views. OK, you might play things differently. So we try this right now. I'm in an F1 with these two idiots. We're going at 160 miles an hour. You know, and this. Wow. What is that? A Wankle engine from the 1970s. A rotary Wankle. That's a rotary Wankle. Nice. I kept mine being in an F1. Yeah, you're doing it right now. And then it's this new start. And I just say, I have gold. Do you want some? That's what I'm saying when we're going 160 miles an hour. I have gold. Do you want some? And then, hey, today it's like Baron Holtz. We're going to talk about comedy. Well, that's all I have for today. You keep us as a podcast or you'll be buried in cement. Is that that's that what you're talking about? But you need at the call to action. Yeah, like press this button, you know, like comment, comment. Hey. Or something. I'm sorry. Can I say something? Senator, I really like you, but you have your terrible at being urgent. You just don't have an urgent vibe. I always have an urgent vibe and you saying, come on, just click or you don't have to. Maybe click. Okay. I'll I'll work on it. I understand you might have an idea for some sense for the three of us. I do. Yeah, yeah. And and they're they're they're unique. They're different angles. Matt, I'll start with you. I really like your last name. Oh, thank you. And I feel like you're last in two. Well, that's crazy. Good old credit, Gordly. You're like super nice and clean cut. And I feel like we should have something that sort of clashes with that and bring some interest. So there's there's a perfume. Yeah, Dracar. There's a perfume. That's what I wore in high school. Yeah. What? Yes. Were you a medium? I was just in high school. So you wore a you you were a scent in high school. I wore a cologne in high school. Yeah. For like a year. I went from Dracar to Ferrant. Yeah. And then they let you out of the locker. No, they never did. I had to chew my way out. You can come out now, but you put that scent on again and we'll pound you, nerd. OK. Sorry, go ahead. So what's the scent you're thinking of for for Matt? OK, it's a scent called a city on fire by imaginary authors. It's very like burnt matches, like a like a like a fire gone wrong. It's Cormac McCarthy like it's very dark and moody and smelly. Can I just put matches out on him? OK, I mean, all right, we're having a good time. OK, OK. Stick them in a locker. OK, guys. Some burnt matches now. OK, we're having some fun. All right, but nothing will get done in the student government if I'm in there. OK, you're right. You're right. You're right. He has to stop and put on ointments. We'll never get this question. But does this line of fragrance truly exist? Are you making this up? Yeah, yeah. This is at my perfume shop. There's a Cormac McCarthy inspired fragrance. Correct. I tie it to Cormac McCarthy. I thought the slogan was swell smell the way he wrote. I thought that was that's a good one. Cormac it up. I'll tell that to my customers. Yeah, yeah. Shard baby. Oh, man. Like I didn't write it was rough. Cormac Daddy. That's me. Cormac Daddy. There you go. Sona, that was a good one. I'm going to give you a shot. I know it was a good one. Thank you. No, it's not overdo it. I was being polite. OK, what would Sona's scent be? So, Sona, I thought you would go with something like clean, a little edgy, not too floral and girly, but just like luxurious and not too much. So I thought in a matte amber oil, it's like a perfume oil. You put on your your hot spots. That's what I do. I do oils. Hot spots. Yeah, wait. What is this? I'm writing it down. Wait, you apply oils, Sona? I do. I'm an oil person. I don't I don't go fizz fizz. I do a roll and then I put it on my my spots. You know what kind of what what's what oils are you using these days? Right now I'm using one that's actually it's called California and it's by. Oh, it's a white bottle. I don't know. Oh, yeah, it's by Carson McCullers. Yeah. La Mat or Matt like Matt. No, Matt. No, Matt. That's my brand. And I'm a tea. This is very interesting. I'm thinking about this. So, Sona, because sometimes I notice that you have like oil on you, but I didn't I thought those were naturally occurring oils. I didn't know that that's something you're applying. I don't put it a lot on where you like look at me and you're like, look at that oily bitch. It's like it's I am oily like my face. I said that to you once. I said that to you once. And it was just me showing concern. It's it's it's an oil that just absorbs in your skin and it's not as strong as. Right. Am I saying this right, Sandra? It's not as strong as like a fuzz fuzz kind of spray. It's a roll on spray and then it just absorbs and it's just there. So it's not. Yeah, yeah, no fuzz fuzz. Just rub rub. Yeah. And he's blort, blort. What are you sporting? Oh, no. OK, well, we've handled those two. I think they're all set. And now this is important. I'm a figure who's out in the world, a man of various affairs, a man of note. What should I be wearing, Sandra? All right, Conan, you got your leather jackets, you got the bombers, the plaid. I'm thinking something cowboy western. You're representing the US when you travel. Yeah. Is this like a Ralph Lauren cowboy chic thing? Hell, yeah, exactly. Wow, that's very cool. The Yellowstone Ridge Cologne. Oh, it's very Western, sage, tobacco, whiskey. Like you'll you'll be a little cooler, Conan. I mean, you're you're very you're already super cool. It's just yeah. Yeah, it's like how does a satellite get higher? You know, but yeah, there's room in this locker, buddy. Come on in. Yeah. So Yellowstone Ridge Cologne and who makes it? Kevin Costner. That's by true Western. I don't have this one yet, but how do I get it? I need to get this because I want to wear it. I want to wear it over the holidays. I want to. Yeah, I want my Kormac McCarthy, like dystopian hellscape one. I'll take my oil, too. No, no, I don't want your oil. The other two you could get on my site, but for you, Conan, you'd go on true Western, their website, the true Western. I got to get this now. With your site, Sandra. It's we hit pan, W-E-H-I-T-P-A-N, like you're hitting a pan. Hey, Sandra, quick question. Is is is one of the rules that you learned besides show urgency and shoot it in your car? Also, a dupe popular podcast into talking about your your site. Is that something? She's not even a listener. Are you even a fan of Conan? You don't care about us at all. You just look at Sona. So tell us what is it? Oh, here it is. We're all going to buy this since she talked about you. She did call you Jimmy Fallon earlier. Yeah. No, no, no. Oh, wow, it's really great. Wow. This is Sandra. Come on, you just completely you don't care about me at all. You don't even know who I am. You said, hey, that lady's got a podcast. I was prompted. You got you kept asking it's like where to get it. And so I was like, oh, I guess I have to mention this. Listen, I know what you did. You played me like a cello. And and and you know what? Game recognizes game. Yeah. And I applaud you because what you did was beautiful. And our next podcast guest is from Muzzy Ford in Needham, Massachusetts. He wants to talk to us about the finest car on the road and where you can get it. Muzzy Ford. Oh, I thought that was real for a second. Yeah. Sandra, do you? Well, that's the mind frame you're in. Sandra, is there any way I can help you? Because we're just about out of time. Is there anything I can do for you? Because you you seem genuinely nice. You're clearly very good at manipulating people in the media. What can I do for you? Yes, it has nothing to do with me. But Jordan Schlansky did a review of a 1977 Darth Vader helmet nine years ago. And I was wondering if you could do a review on the case that he was waiting for. OK, I don't think I even remember the case. I don't remember. It hadn't come yet. Oh, it hadn't come yet. Has it? Yeah. Has it shown up since this was nine years ago? Correct. If I know Jordan, he's still pacing around the UPS store. Angrily asking questions about the case for his Darth Vader helmet. Um, I don't know. I wish I wish I could get a look at this case. I wish I had that case in my hands so I could smash it. The way Harrison Ford smashed his Millennium Falcon made of Legos. I would like nothing more than to do that. I could find out from Jordan, so I can't give a review right now. But I think I probably could. Hey, if you're an incredible nerd to the 10th power, you've got to have this special case for your limited edition Darth Vader helmet. What's that? Do you have a case for your Darth Vader stuff? I don't have a Darth Vader helmet. I don't believe you. But I have the case. Oh, you thought Jordan was there? No, I don't. I did. I thought Jordan was there. Oh my god. Do you see what happened? Sandra just thought that Jordan was in the room because she couldn't see on the screen and she saw so on a point and say, do you have a Darth Vader helmet? Sandra, you should see her reaction. She puts her hands to her mouth and freaks. Oh, because you love Jordan Shlansky, don't you? I don't know what was going on because Jordan Shlansky was here. That's the biggest insult you tricked me into promoting your site and your videos. And now you say I'm only here because of Jordan Shlansky and his Darth Vader helmet case. No, no, I'm here for you, Conan. That was the worst. She didn't even look at you when she said it. Oh my god. I'm going to walk to the nearest cliff and like a romantic hero of the 18th century, I'll jump off into the waves. No, I won't. Well, I'm going to get this. I'm going to get Yellowstone Ridge Cologne from True Western. And just tell me how I apply because I honestly don't know. You said hotspots. I'm not even sure I have them. Where are they on the body? Yeah, it just releases heat more than other parts. So that area. Well, we're on a podcast. So let's say the the crook of the arm, you know, yes, the bend in the arm. You're yes, exactly. Even the bend in your your knee behind there. Does anyone ever do low, low back or anything like that? What I haven't heard that before. My bottom gets very warm. Oh, you. Yeah. This is a call I used to make. This is a call I used to make at random in the 80s. I used to call random people and when they would pick up, I go, my bottom gets very warm. Then I'd hang up. You can get your TikTok videos like that. Yes, there you go. Driving an F1. My bottom gets very warm. OK, this is a brand new friend. All right. So in the crook of the arm and what about do you put them on your neck? You put a little scent on your neck. You know, on either side and then do not rub. The perfume community will go after you if you rub. Oh, I'm a rubber. The oils, I think you can because it's just the base note. But like an alcohol perfume, there's a top note, a middle note, a base note. And you want it to go through the stages without messing with it. And when you press the molecules together, it'll mess up the notes. I hate pressing molecules together. OK, Sandra, very nice talking to you. You seem like a lovely person and I do wish you well with your business. We hit pan. And I think you're you're providing a good service. And you know what? I'm glad if you weren't happy with your job before, I'm glad that you found something that makes you happy. That's the whole trick in life is find something you love doing and then somehow turn that into a job. I really believe that. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate it, guys. OK, I'm sending Jordan to your house with a Darth Vader helmet. He's headed over right now on a fast. T-Sweet. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly. Just calm down. Calm down, lady. Calm down. Your your dreams going to come true. All right, take care. Thank you so much for calling in. Bye, Sandra. Thank you. Bye. Conan O'Brien needs a fan with Conan O'Brien, Sonam of Sessian and Matt Gourley produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced by Adam Sacks, Jeff Frost and Nick Lea. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy. Supervising producer, Aaron Blair, associate talent producer, Jennifer Samples, associate producers, Sean Doherty and Lisa Berm. Engineering by Eduardo Perez. You get three free months of Sirius XM when you sign up at SiriusXM.com slash Conan. 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