Shark Week was every week for megalodons

You're listening to Pet Candy. This show is brought to you by Brave Pause, a natural stress and anxiety chewable for dogs. Learn more at MyBravePause.com. Hey, uh, hey Clay. How you doing? This is the actual for real, real not for play play sound check. Welcome to our new show, Obsessed, a show where we talk about whatever it is we're currently obsessed with. I'm Caitlin Palmer. I'm Clay. And we're Obsessed. Hi everybody. Did you miss us? Because we missed you. It hasn't been that long. It hasn't. But man, this like mini hiatus, like this is killing me. I missed you guys. But we're back baby. It's season two premiere. Wait, are we starting season two now? I guess. I don't know. Is this season two? Is this season two already began? I guess every 10 episodes would be a season. Canonically maybe. I like the idea where each season is just us sort of playing fast and loose with it. Season one was like 10 episodes. Season two, I don't know. Maybe it's 23. Yeah, it's season three is only two episodes. Yeah, that's how we do. It's how we do baby, but we're back. So Clay, what have you been doing? We had a week off. We didn't record any podcast. I mean, this isn't where you want me to talk about a story I've prepared because I didn't know we were recording today. Yeah, I kind of sprung it on him all willy nilly. I don't know why I did that. You've got a weird energy today. I do. I'm so tired. I'm so tired and today has really tested my gangster. Well, you look at that. And I am not. I am not a gangster. Like I am not even a little bit of a gangster. Everybody was rude today. Everybody was needy. Everybody came in after hours. OK, they have to go to your TikTok to see all that. Yeah, check me out at Desquinch. That's D-E-S-K-W-E-N-C-A. Shameless. Shameless. I'm shameless. Again. See, that's why I said we have to record tonight because like I've got this weird energy going and I'm super, super, super, super, super excited to talk about tonight's subject. The only energy in your body is from caffeine. Pretty much other than that, I'm just kind of a sad panda. So since you didn't prepare, you didn't do your part. And my part. Story. Oh. I have a would you rather. OK. All right. This is our one. Well, these always go one of two ways. Now, don't they? Yeah, I'm sure there's going to be butts involved. So would you rather drive to Dallas and Christine, the car, or spend the day in a Volkswagen bug in Mississippi while Kujo is outside the door? I mean, ultimately, I don't think I have to drive in either of those situations. In the Kujo situation, I'm stuck. Yeah, you're broke down. Right. And Christine can drive itself. So I don't have to drive in either scenario. Either one's fine, I guess. I mean, what's Christine going to do to me? Getting a wreck? You know, honestly, OK, I'm going to get. Because I've been in I've been in two so far. Pretty high speed breaks. I didn't break a single ball in the time. Yeah, yeah. So Christina got. She died twice. Like it's no joke play like is a bad. You don't have on me. She ain't got me. And ultimately, Kujo is just a dog. I mean, what are we doing? Book Kujo or whichever one? Whichever one. See, to me, the thing is I would rather drive in Christine because I would rather not be in the Mississippi Sun with Kujo. I mean, I guess that's fair. I mean, Orville is going to be a problem. Orville is helping. I mean, if it's movie, Kujo, that's just a dog with rabies. Just a dog with rabies. I mean, that's manageable. Is it more or less? I mean, it's much more manageable than a dog possessed by a demon. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Rabies is less scary somehow than a demon. I don't know. Either is fine. See, I'd be OK with a solid break either way. I'd be OK with riding in Christine because I would assume Christine has AC unless she doesn't. I don't know. I have to read Christine. I mean, if Christine's pissed off at you, she's not going to have the AC on. That's probably going to turn the heat on. Bitch. Uncool. So everybody will go ahead and tell you today is not Bobby Aga, but Bobby Aga is coming soon. Clay has been heavily requested to do Bobby Aga by everyone we know. And we've had some really cool stories sent in. We'll see what goes on with that. But in the meantime, listeners, you're. Oh, I was going to say, we also have some. I mean, we're still kind of working it out. So maybe we'll just kind of tease it. But we in the talks about doing something a little extra with the show. Yes, there might be a little little something. And there may or may not be a bonus episode coming out soon. Yeah, we are going to have a special bonus episode. A boner episode that we're going to be researching this very quickly this weekend. Yeah, but I'm going to do Bobby Aga first because of how requested it was. Yes. Oh, for sure. So I would like to start today's episode with a quote. Sharks have everything scientists dream of. They're beautiful. God, how beautiful they are. They're like an impossibly perfect piece of machinery. They're as graceful as any bird. There is mysterious as any animal on earth. No one knows for sure how long they live or what impulses, except for hunger, they respond to. There are more than 250 species of shark and everyone is different from every other one. That's a quote by Peter Benchley. You may know him from writing a little book called Jaws. I think I said that sounded familiar. Right. Real quick, what's your favorite shark? What do you think it is? Oh, no. What's it? It's subject about what's the name of the episode? Hold on. Let me look at it. Yeah. It's in the right there. Clyde does right in front of you. You had to click on it. Oh, wow. So this episode is actually not even about sharks. Amazing. I know. Right. Today's episode is Cat's Part Two. No, it's about ferrets because they're carpet sharks. That's fair. No, no, no. So it may not be Shark Week anymore. By the way, my favorite shark is the whale shark. What's your favorite shark? Technically, is a whale shark still a shark? I thought it was a shark. I thought it didn't count. What the hell did it count? I don't know. It's a shark. OK. It's definitely a shark. I actually really like the Thresher Shark. I like Thresher Sharks too. As I am to say one of the weirder sharks, like Goblin sharks or... Cookie cutter shark? Yeah, like I guess a cookie cutter shark. That's the one with like the weird rollout teeth. Oh, I know what you're talking about. But I don't know what those are called. Those are creepy. Right. So it may not be Shark Week anymore, but I believe in a little thing called Undying Love. Shark Week is at our hearts always, and we carry it with us wherever we go. So what if it's a few weeks later, whatever? We're going to talk about the real king of the ocean, the apex predator of the deep, a lorge shark. Karsharkle's Megalodon. The Megalodon! So think Jaws, OK? But instead of 4th or July Beachgoers, he ate dinosaurs and whales, but not really dinosaurs as we'll see later. But how cool would that be? So how much bigger is a Megalodon than a great white shark, for instance? Considerably bigger. I had the actual numbers in here somewhere, but a newborn Megalodon was just about as big as a great white shark. A full grown white shark? Yeah. So 13 million years ago, Megalodon conquered the water until finally going extinct only about 3 million years ago. I say only like, oh, it's only 3 million years ago. So 3 million years in the span of our history on Earth is not a long time. You say that. Well, it's a long time. But not like compared to 13 million years ago. That's fairly recently. So this was not only the largest shark to ever lurk in the depths, but one of the biggest fish to ever exist. And fun fact, the current biggest fish in the world is the whale shark. Sharks are fish. Estimates put the bag at between 50 and 60 feet in length. That's about three times larger than the largest recorded great white. So there's no fully articulated Megalodon skeleton. So we get these numbers by the size of their fossilized teeth. The teeth alone can be up to seven inches long. In fact, the word Megalodon means large tooth. Big ass tooth. Big ass tooth. Yeah. So there's no skeleton for sharks because they're our most entirely cartilage. Right. So sharks have their jaw and their teeth, our bone, and parts of their spine. Everything else is cartilage. Yeah. So there's not much to go off of. So most of us believe that Megalodon looked and acted very similar to our modern great whites. Scientists have determined this because of the shape of the jaws and the teeth. But according to nhm.ac.uk, most reconstructions show the Megalodon looking like an enormous great white shark, but that's now believed to be incorrect. It likely had a much shorter nose, a rostrum when compared with the great white with a flatter, almost squashed jaw like a blue shark. It also had extra long pictorial fins to support its weight and size, which makes sense. I mean, that's a lot of animal to support and Yeah. Locomate through the water. Locomate. Locomate. A lot of reconstructions have Megalodon looking like a bigger version of the great white shark because for so long people thought they were related, explains Dr. Emma, a rishi doctor. I'm not sure. What does it not say doctor? I just put Emma. So Emma, are you a doctor? Write in and tell us. Doctor! We'll be right back with more Pet Candy. Hi, I want to tell you about my new show, Simply Pets with Shannon Gregor. We talk about pets, life, love, and everything between with the coolest people on the planet. Don't miss out on the fun. Check it out on a podcast platform of your choice. We now know that this is not the case. Megalodon is actually from a different lineage of shark, of which Megalodon was the last member. Oh, damn. So no descendants of. No descendants of. The oldest definitive ancestor of Megalodon is a 55 million year old shark known as Ototos oblicus, which grew to be around 10 meters in length. But the evolutionary history of this shark is thought to stretch all the way back to the Cretolama ependicula, dating to 105 million years old, making the lineage of Megalodon over 100 million years old. So you see why 3 million really isn't that long of a time? I mean, it is. But you know. Also my friend Emma, who I'm not sure is a doctor or not, she also said this, as we found more and more fossils, we realized that the ancestor to the great white shark lived alongside Megalodon. Some scientists think they might have even been in competition with each other. Now that makes sense. I think I brought that up once before in passing. The reason why sort of the dinosaurs died out and mammals, for instance, managed to survive is because of how much smaller we were than them. Food became scarce, and suddenly being big was a hindrance. Right. Yeah, that's a lot of animal. And we'll find out that you had to eat a lot. Yeah, the bigger you are, the more you got to eat. It's me. I'm big. I need a lot of food. I just ate like a 20 piece chicken McNugget. It was a 10 piece. Oh, OK. Well, then I could go get 10 more pieces. And then you'd have a 20 piece. You're going to silence that? Sorry. OK, nobody has texted me all freaking day. OK, a shark skeleton, it's mostly cartilage. Only the jaw, teeth, and spine are really bone. So the teeth give us an insight to what the megalodon would have eaten to stay alive. Obviously, an animal that large needed to eat a lot. Approximately 2,500 pounds a day. Damn, that is a lot of food. That is a lot. Emma Bernard. Oh, here she is. She's a curator at the National History Museum. Says that its large serrated teeth, megalodon would have eaten meat, most likely whales and large fish, and probably other sharks. If you're that big, you need to eat a lot of food. So large prey is required. This would have included animals such as small as dolphins and as large as humpback whales. We have other evidence of megalodon's feeding habits in the form of fossilized whale bones. Some of these have been found with cut marks of megalodon teeth etched into the surface. Others even include the tips of the teeth broken off into the bone during a feeding frenzy that occurred millions of years ago. Can you imagine just coming across that and being like, oh, this is an ancient whale bone. That's so cool. And it's like, oh, there was a shark that was bigger than this whale that tried to eat or did eat this whale. So I was looking up like general animal weight because I wanted to give a comparison of how much 2,500 pounds of meat a day would be. Essentially, that's about as a giraffe a day is what they have to eat. Pretty much, yeah. But a whole ass giraffe. Two big old horses. Or two big horses. Two really big horses. If you stack them on top, they'll be the same height as a giraffe. Right, right. So the females, like most animals and me, the females were thought to be twice the size of the males and the pups would have been born approximately six feet long. God dang. So most fish are exclusively cold-blooded, but Megalodon may have been like today's Great White Sharks, which are considered partially warm-blooded because of the heat they generate while they're swimming. This would have allowed them to hunt in colder waters and that came from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Not a sponsor, just a huge fan. Just a huge fan. Just a huge fan. Of old books. Oh, I love old books. So even though Megalodons and dinosaurs, they're both extinct, they never coexisted. And this is interesting because a lot of your Megalodon artwork features like a Megalodon eating a T-Rex because it's just a really cool visual of how big and bad this shark was. Yeah, well, I mean, you're talking about millions, you know, hundreds of millions of years. And when you start talking about numbers that big, it gets hard to sort of visualize that. Right. So you just start lumping everything that's older than a certain amount together. Right, I did. And my favorite books are some of my... Whatever I'm reading currently is my favorite book. But I really love Steve Alton's books, The Meg series. There's a movie, a recent movie called Meg. And it's about Megalodons. It's based on a theory that they could still be alive in the Marianas Trench. And in that book, it opens with a story about a Megalodon and a T-Rex having a mortal combat finish him. And the Megalodon wins. Spoiler alert. Spoiler. For the thing that didn't happen. Right, right. So dinosaurs went extinct about 66 million years ago, but the oldest Megalodon fossils are from the Myosine epoch, which was only 23 million years ago. And Clay, did you know that Megalodon had something in common with dragons? What's that? They both kick ass. But also... I thought you were going to give me a real piece of information. I do have a real piece of information. Fossilized remains of the Megalodon have been found everywhere except in Antarctica. There's a ghost in here. Just knocked the umbrella off the windowsill. Yep, yep. So I think I choose to believe it's a Megalodon ghost and I love you. I don't choose to believe that. Ghost shark. No, back when the original ghost sharks were still regular sharks, every time it was underwater. That's true. So this would have been underwater and maybe there were Megalodons here. Maybe the building is right on top of a fossilized Megalodon. I was actually going to go on a tangent about ghosts, but I'll save that. Ooh, I'm excited. We love a ghost. We may or may not be doing some ghost things soon. Hmm. Fossilized, this is another Encyclopedia Britannica quote, fossil remains of the Megalodon have been found off the coast of every continent except Antarctica. Between 2007 and 2009, researchers collected a number of juvenile Megalodon teeth in the waters off the coast of Panama. They believe this was an ancient nursery area. All the babies. So how are sharks born? Well, they're fish, so they lay eggs, right? Well, sharks kind of differ in that there's two types. Some do lay eggs while others give birth to live young. Most of the time the eggs will hatch inside of the mother where the young, they feed on the egg yolk and the fluids and all that moistness until they're fully formed. Sorry. So there's two kinds. The key difference, there's ovivibri and vivibri. So ovivibri is the trait of laying eggs. Ovivivibri is the development of embryos inside of the eggs that are retained within the mother's body until they're ready to hatch. And vivibri is giving birth to young ones directly. So don't sharks, I mean, I know it would still technically be live birth, but don't they give birth to them in like egg sacs? Well, yeah, they hatch within like inside mom pretty much. Yeah, but I'm saying like after they squeeze them out and they're in the ocean, but in an egg sac. Well, that would make this next part pretty hard. Well, let me tell you about little megalodon babies because they're something. So the enormous birth size of this particular megalodon provides strong evidence that this species had same reproductive mode, which is like a great white shark. They hatch inside mom and then they're live birth. So the dark secret of the megalodon is that to achieve the size and the uterus, they would have had to eat a lot more than mom was feeding them. So the baby megalodons, the meglings as we'll now call them, likely grew to such a large size because they would have cannibalized their siblings in the womb. Sharks have two uterine. So each of them are capable of holding embryos. So it's likely they had at least two pups at a time, one survivor from each uterus. Right, yeah. It's like two thunder domes inside of a megalodon. Right, right. So a fun related search. I was looking up how megalodon would have given birth and it brought me to a bunch of birthday party favor links. And my next birthday, April 13th, is gonna be megalodon themed. So you're all invited. Everybody listening, you're invited. Not sure where it'll be, but you're invited. And another fun fact, sharks and trees have this in common. They deposit rings of hard tissue in their vertebrae each year. So like the trunk of a tree, you can use this to estimate their age. You can cut a shark in half and count the rings. You can count the rings, exactly. Exactly. But you would have to- That's like a yo mama joke. It really is. It kind of is. So rather than cutting through this ancient, priceless fossil and damaging it forever. Cowards. Right? We'll be right back with more pet candy. I love my fur babies so much. But when they're stressed out, it makes me stressed out. Mine hate loud noises like thunderstorms and fireworks. And sometimes they just don't want to be left home alone. To help keep your dogs calm in moments of stress, use Brave Paws anxiety and stress support chewables for dogs. These plant-based chewables promote calm behavior with natural ingredients that have been clinically studied. Did I mention they're fast-acting and non-drowsy? I especially love that the natural ingredients are sustainably sourced. How cool is that? Wanna learn more? Check out mybravepaws.com. Your dog will be happy you did. They've used special X-ray scannings to study the internal structures without causing any harm to the specimen, revealing that a particular shark would have died when it was 46 years old. And remember, this is just one shark out of who knows how many existed. So they're believed to have gone extinct about 3.6 million years ago, although the exact time is unknown due to cooling water. Several species went extinct, including prey animals that would have sustained the megalodon. As the adult sharks were dependent on tropical waters, the drop in ocean temperatures likely resulted in a significant loss of habitat. It may also have resulted in the megalodon's prey either going extinct or adapting to the cooler waters and moving where the sharks could not follow. And that's also from nhm.ac.uk. So the case for megalodon still existing is as much as I want them to, most sources say there's no way. Yeah, exactly. They would have had to adapt to living in colder waters and then even more so if they're gonna live somewhere like the Mariana Trench. Yeah, Mariana's Trench for anyone who doesn't know, that's like seven feet, seven miles, actually. It's seven feet deep. Seven feet deep. It's like the deep end of a pool. No one can go there. No one can go there. Only the bravest live is gonna. And here's a little bit of nerd knowledge. The reason why fish smell fishy, that fishy smell is it's this stuff they have in their cellular membranes, a sort of chemical compound that allows their cell to retain structure under immense pressure. You see typically your little gelatinous, animal cells can't withhold the pressure of extreme water. You literally liquefy if you go too deep in the water. You dimplode. Yeah, like even if you weren't crushed by the weight, if you found some way to sort of not be crushed by it, your cells would still be crushed by it. That's why the blob fish looks so silly when you touch the water. Right, when it's under its natural pressure state, what it's used to surviving in, it doesn't look like that, but it sort of just falls apart because it's used to exerting a certain amount of pressure to counteract that pressure. Ooh, I want some flan now. But yeah, so a megalodon would also have to adapt that as well to survive in a much, much deeper. Oh, I think he'd be a cute little jelly shark. Maybe, but everything we found that deep is actually pretty small because it's easier to do if you're that small. That's true, that's true. Recently there's been mockumentaries like megalodon, the new evidence and voodoo shark that are presented as fact. So it's understandable that people could believe that this giant shark still exists. They're really misleading for several reasons. For an example, being presented as a real documentary when they're not. But they also showed clips of real marine biologists but took what they said out of context. So another quick tangent, I guess, the Discovery Channel, I believe it was this guy, it was either them or the History Channel, somebody that you trust to get facts from did April 1st, April Fool's Day episodes. And one of those was a mockumentary on dragons. Yes, I remember that. I got so excited. And they did one on mermaids too. Yeah, they did one on mermaids, vampires, and dragons that I can remember because I think I remember watching all three of those and being like, they've done it, they finally found proof. And how excited were our nerdy little hearts? I was extremely excited. I was also like 10, but I was like, there it is. It's on the Discovery Channel, it's true. Right. Well, and that's, that kind of makes me, I don't really like mockumentaries for that reason. Yeah. So there's a famously classified photo that was taken in 1942 that shows a boat with her crew posing in Cape Cod. There's a giant fin in the background, kind of looks like a shark fin. The photo was classified for a long time because it's believed that it's proof that the megalodon still exists. Except it's fake. There is no fin present in the original photo. Several more recent sightings of the megalodon are actually just mistaken identity, usually either a basking shark or a whale shark, both of which are huge sharks. Right, yeah. But they're completely harmless. You don't ever really hear about basking sharks. Yeah, basking sharks are beautiful. And if you're just kind of looking down and you see a shark and it's a big shark, I mean, that's the first place our mind goes to is great white. Thanks, Josh. Or megalodon. Or megalodon. So, but what about all those recent megalodon teeth that they found? Because they've been finding some teeth that seem to be dating back not so super long ago. According to fossilguy.com, side note, fossilguy.com is, he's so brilliant. God, he's a buzzkill. I love you, fossilguy. But like, I really just want there to be a megalodon. If a recent megalodon toothless ever found, paleontologists and marine biologists would have a field day publishing new journal articles. These scientific and peer reviewed articles don't exist. So they're not coming from reputable sources. Science has given my hopes and dreams a resounding, no. While it's not likely, it's not impossible. There's still a ton of ocean yet to be explored. We've only actually charted about 20%, leaving 80% to our imaginations. There are other marine creatures that we thought were extinct, such as the sealicanth and the giant squid. It's possible, although admittedly not probable, that there could still be megalodons deep in the unexplored waters, hungry and waiting. I'd be willing to accept there's some sort of descendant of megalodons somewhere in the waters. That's true. But a creature that big simply, I mean, like you said, 2,500 pounds a day. Yeah. It's actually just too much. A lot of its food when extinct too. I mean, it's like I said, it's, it's, I wouldn't say, I don't like saying something's impossible, but it's not probable. Yeah, it's not probable. As much as I want it. That's what I want for Christmas, Clay. I want them to find a megalodon. The only sort of other fish that a megalodon could eat to sustain that amount of like food intake a day would be great white sharks. And we would definitely see evidence of great white sharks being preyed upon. I want to hump back whales and orcas and blue whales. Yeah, I guess. But that would, that would mean that there was a large enough population of them that they would have been noticed by now. Somebody posted that maybe some of these giant great whites were seeing are actually baby megalodons. And while that's probably not the case, it's a fun thought and I like it. Cause I like sharks. Yes. That's the whole point of this. Right. I like sharks. So I found some really inspirational shark quotes. Shark quote from notable sharks. Yeah. Celebrity sharks. Yeah, from like. Like Bruce. That's the only named shark I could think of. Bruce, Jaws, Meg. That wasn't his like given Christian name. That was the name we get to say. But he embraced it. He embraced it. Didn't actually turn out what Jaws like a female shark? No, Jaws, Jaws is based on a true story. The real shark that Jaws was based on was a bull shark and bull sharks are a lot more aggressive. Right. Than great whites. Great whites are huge, great whites are fierce, but a bull shark will fuck you up. Right. It's unnaturally aggressive. Yeah. Right. So a shark and a fish tank will grow eight inches, but in the ocean it will grow eight feet or more. The shark will never outgrow its environment and the same is true for you. Many times we're around small thinking people so we don't grow, change your environment and watch your growth. Dan, that quote really just called like, it's like everybody you know is stupid and you're stupid too unless you leave and get with some smart people like me. Professor Bignuts. Yeah. Find new friends. Everybody sucks. Yeah. Except for me, Professor Bignuts. Professor Bignuts. That was a quote by Professor Bignuts. It was, it was. And Professor Bignuts is a shark. So sharks never stop swimming. That's when they die. You gotta keep moving. Just keep swimming? Just keep swimming, just keep swimming, swimming, swimming, just keep swimming. That's what we do, we swim, swim. That might be copyright. This is gonna come after us. Yeah, probably so, that's okay. I think I challenged Disney at one point. You did, you challenged Disney to eat your nuts. All right, well, here it is Disney round two. Extending the offer. Ding, ding. But for real though, everybody, can we just talk about how great Brave Paws is? We got a free sample. We did, we're gonna be completely transparent with you. 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Yeah, so like we don't have to do this part of the commercial, right? Like we've done the ad read and we've goofed around. But like this is, we wouldn't lie to you. We would not. At least not record this part. Exactly. It didn't work and we didn't actually. Exactly. And we're both in the animal industry and we have been for years and years. So we would not tell you about a product if we did not believe in it ourselves. Yeah, it absolutely worked for us. Maybe it'll work for you. Go check it out. Mybravepaws.com. Go put your brave paws on. Brave paws. Give your pet the courage they need to weather the storm. So in case you couldn't tell, and it may not have come across in the episode, I love sharks, especially Megalodon. Like there is just something so, so f***ing cool about a shark that's bigger than a bus. This glorious apex predator. I can see it, but does it do anything cool though? It just does shark stuff. Right, see, it doesn't do any cool like. Everything sharks do is cool. Clay. Clay got me a Megalodon tooth and it's the pride and joy of my pretty rocks collection. You're pretty rocks collect, because it's technically a rock now that has been fossilized. It's a fossil. We went to a herp show and while I didn't get a bearded dragon, I did get a Megalodon tooth. So it was pretty amazing. So Clay, could you take a Megalodon in a fight? Okay, what do I have at my disposal? All you have is a Megalodon tooth, a fossilized Megalodon tooth. That I'm just wielding like a push dagger? Well, you have it in your pocket when you're swallowed. Am I on land? Cause I could definitely kick a Megalodon's ass on land. No, we're in the water with the Megalodon. That sucks. How much water is it? Just a little bit? No, you're in the ocean. Like a little puddle. Yeah, you're in a kiddie pool with a Megalodon. Megalodon cannot breathe. Okay, well look, I can kick a Megalodon's ass on like 30% of this planet. But you're not there. You're in the ocean with the Megalodon. What are you doing? How are you gonna survive? I'm probably just gonna sit still and try not to attract the Megalodon's attention. I would be small enough that I don't think it would even give a shit about me. It's already swallowed you. Well, that's an unfair fight. Now, isn't it? I mean, Megalodon don't play fair. Well, how about this? Let's reverse the tables. How about the Megalodon has to fight me and I've already swallowed it? Damn. I think the Megalodon... It always got us a human tooth in his pocket. I think the Megalodon would just be like, you know what? You win. He's the... Oh. Fuck this shit on the... Gonna stack the odds against me. So in anyone who has read the book knows, but in Steve Alton's book, Meg, Professor Jonas Taylor always carries a Megalodon tooth in his pocket. And he is ultimately swallowed by the Meg and he cuts it open from the inside out using the Megalodon tooth. Good book. Read it. Except Clay won't because he doesn't read. Yeah, I don't read. I think we're gonna throw a copy of that book in our next giveaway. Let's do it. Have you even milled out the last giveaway? Yes. You lying to me and our listeners? You know what I would do, Clay, if I was in a situation where I had to face off with a Megalodon. What's that? Would you like weld a fire extinguisher to a harpoon or? No, I would just sacrifice myself to the Megalodon. It would be an honor. That's how they killed the shark in Jaws, right? Pretty sure that's what they did. It was explosives. Was it explosives? Yeah. I thought it was like an improv thing. I've never seen Jaws. You're kidding. I've never watched Jaws. Clay. There's a lot of movies I haven't watched. Clay. I don't. You've never seen Jaws? I've never seen Jaws. I've seen clips of Jaws. I know roughly what happens. I've listened to the song by Lemon Demon. Oh, that's such a good song. So I'm pretty. Let's give away that song. I'm pretty sure I've got the whole movie down based on the lyrics. Jaws, the shark lurking in the dark in the depths of the sea one day on a lark. Yeah, it doesn't mean like sneaking to the mayor's house in the middle of the night and eat that fucker in a single bite. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I mean, there it is. There's a cliff notes of the whole movie. I don't need to see it. Right. Yeah, you don't need to see the movie. You need to see that movie. That is the cinematic masterpiece, Clay. I've seen the opening for sure. The iconic sort of, you know, the girl gets drug around in the water and then bloop down and is dead. Just bloops. Yeah, bloops down. That's one we could talk about is the bloop. Oh, the bloop is a good one. So Clay, give us a little teaser about Bobby Yaga. No. You suck. Yeah, well, look, you're gonna get plenty with the Bobby Yaga episode, I think. I'm so excited. There's a special surprise. I'm really excited. And everybody, I'm sorry that you had to listen. No, I'm not sorry that you had to listen about Megalodon because Megalodon is badass. It was better than cats, squishmallows. Wow. Okay, so our show started about obsessions, right? Right. And cats and squishmallows are valid obsessions. Sure, but then everybody wanted cryptid stuff. And then everybody wanted cryptid. So, you know, we aim to please. No, Megalodon's cool. Megalodon's way cool. It's probably not alive though. Probably not, but a girl can dream. Why do you want there to be a Megalodon? Because I just... All that does is make water more dangerous. Yeah, okay, so I have like that philosophy where you're scared of like deep water, like dark, deep water. But I also, water has this weird call to the abyss to me. Like when I went and swam with the whale sharks, like that was terrifying and magical at the same time. And you can also cage dive with the tiger sharks at the Georgia Quarry. Yeah, I don't think I would do that. Oh, I'm gonna do that. The whale sharks won't eat you, but the tiger shark would if it wanted. Oh, it would. Whale sharks are very big. Oh, whale sharks are beautiful. And Megalodon would have been... I think sharks are beautiful. They're beautiful fish. They're misunderstood. Like, yeah, they could eat you, but like they kind of don't want to. I don't hate sharks. I mean, sharks are just doing their thing. They're just living. They're just out here vibing in the ocean. In the ocean. In the water. Where they belong. Where they belong. It was always a stupid fear of mine that there was like in the deep end of the pool, there was an invisible shark. Oh, I thought that. That would absolutely leave me. It was like the dumbest fear I had as a kid. Mm-hmm. But like I liked the deep end of the pool. I was just afraid of the deep end of the pool. It's got this... So I'd always dive in. The abyss pool, yeah. And like touch the bottom and I'd be like, now I have to leave the deep end before the invisible shark eats me alive. That's adorable. I used to pretend like I was in the, I was the Loch Ness monster. And one time my mom was like, what is taking you so... You're like, mom, take a blurry picture of me. Right, mom. Mom, take a blurry picture of me. But yeah, I would get in trouble because I would play in the tub for too long because I was pretending I was on the water. Oh, you're talking about the tub. I thought you were talking about a pool. No, when I was in the pool, I was always a mermaid. Or a vaporeon, because sometimes I was a little bit more... So when you were in a smaller container, you were the much larger creature. Well, duh! We'll be right back with more Pet Candy. Hi, this is Shay, and I want to tell you about my new show on Pet Candy, Cooking with Shay. I make vegan eating easy and fun. Check it out on Pet Candy TV. Anything else? No, I guess that's it. Oh, goodness. So actually, I have a new thing I want to sort of implement to the show, a sliding scale sort of rating system for the things we cover. Oh, sliding scales, how I passed college. So basically on a scale of one to 10. One being not so much, 10 being yes very much. Okay. So in reference to the megalodon, on a scale of one to 10, how likely do you think you are to survive an encounter with this creature? Two. A two? A two. That's only because I believe nothing's totally impossible. I'd give myself probably a three, and that's pretty much all just coming from not being appetizing to the creature in the first place. Aw! I think he would think you're a snack, babe. Great. Well, I don't want him to think that. I want him to look at me and be like, nah, that's kind of shitty. I'm going to eat something else. Aw. See, I would be like, megalodon, I would like to sacrifice myself, and he'd be like, no. I'd be like, yes. Okay. One to 10. How creepy is the megalodon? 10. You think it's a 10 creepy? Yeah. Yeah, I got a good 10. Really? The idea of that appearing out of the dark water. That situation would certainly be creepy, but that's just because it sort of like snuck up on you. But yeah, underwater, like in the ocean, that's the kind of effect. Like if you've ever seen recordings of sharks, they do just kind of appear next to you. Yeah, they just kind of blend in. Yeah, they just like fade in. I'm thinking about the megalodon as a whole. I would say it's probably only like a three creepy. Okay, so like if it was not in its natural habitat, if I was just like, this is a display of a megalodon. Well, not even just that. Just a megalodon in general. I don't really find that creepy because it's just an animal. There's no maliciousness behind it. It's going to eat and it's going to kill just to eat. Like I said, there's no torture or anything involved. It's simply going to eat you or it is not going to eat you. Yeah, it doesn't have anything against you personally. Right, yeah. That makes sense. So I don't find it that creepy. But you also can't reason with it because it's... Right, but it's just an animal. That's, you know, I'm not creeped out by anything else that could kill me, you know, snakes or lions or whatever. There's no reason for that. I'm not scared of lions and tigers and bears. Okay. But the megalodon... One through ten, how likely is it to exist? Well, we know it did exist, like 100%. Right. But does exist still. Right today, yeah. I'd have to go with maybe a three. Really? You're giving it that low? I expected you to give it a higher. I would give it a three because we don't know, but I do believe in science. I don't believe in science. I don't believe in science. I don't believe in science. I do believe in science. And science is kind of pushing us away. Only science can come between us megalodon. I've got two scores. I'd say if we're talking about a megalodon as it was a two, there's almost no chance of that existing. Sure. A descendant of the megalodon, perhaps a branch of megalodon exist, like survived and evolved and adapted, I'd give it a three. Megalodon 2.0. Right. The final question, 1-10, how likely is a megalodon to be, to actually be an alien? Since everything ends up pretty much being aliens or rumored to be aliens. Well, it's not a sandhill crane, so it has to be an alien. Right, yeah. If it's not a sandhill crane, it is an alien. Right. Or a barn owl. Or a barn owl. You're right. A barn owl or a bar owl. It's an owl that sings and buffs the party. I'd give it a one. I don't think it's an alien. I don't think so either. I think it's... Some of our other... Yeah, almost certainly aliens. But megalodon, I personally don't believe so. I'd probably give it a two just because I'm a child and... You like the idea of space sharks? Space sharks. We just talked about... That's copyright. We can't talk about space sharks. Boom. GW will come after us. I'll call Disney on their bullshit. I'll be like, yeah, come get it. But... GW don't play. Yeah, I'm gonna attempt Games Workshop. They will sue me for any reason. They will. They'll be like, he looked at me funny. Sue. What's that? He bought our models with his money? Sue him. He shouldn't be able to do that. By the way, Games Workshop, if you're listening, you suck. Well, God, hold on now. I said don't poke the bear or the megalodon. Or Games Workshop. They're extremely litigious. Hate them. All right, everybody. Well, go read the Meg series by Steve Alton. Absorb their meaning. The whole series. The whole series. At least the first one. And then come back and talk to us. You can always reach us on Instagram at obsessedwiththepalmers. We did make a Facebook for all of our fellow oldies, McGooies. And that is obsessed with the palmers. And, Chloe, where can people email us about things they would like to hear? Oh, no. What is it called? It's obsessedwiththepalmers.com. Correct. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well. 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