Packers Draft Day Trade Targets!!!

20 minutes a day 365 days a year. This is the Packaday podcast. What's going on Packers fans? Happy Friday. Welcome into an all new episode of the Packaday podcast. I am your host, Andy Herman. You can follow me on Twitter at Andy Herman NFL. Thank you for making Packaday a good podcast. Thank you for making Packaday your home for all of your Packers needs. I don't know if that's true or not, but I appreciate you being here. We've got a great show for you today. We're going to be looking at some players in this second round that would actually be worth trading up for. It could potentially be worth trading up for in this particular draft. There's going to be an episode that we look at sometime probably in the next couple of weeks or so where we've done it every single year where we look at what trades are going to actually potentially be available to the Packers. We'll go over a couple of those type of things today, but we'll spend a little bit more time on that in the coming days. But today we're going to focus on what players could actually be targets for the Green Bay Packers early in that round to range. We'll get there momentarily before we get there. Just a quick reminder that we do have happy hour coming up on the YouTube channel, 3pm Central Time on Friday. Hope to see you guys there for that. It is open to everybody. Try to get to as many questions as I can over the course of that hour, hour and 15 minutes or so. So make sure to check that out if you have a chance again, 3pm Central Time today on Friday over on the YouTube channel. One piece of Packers news and it's going to be pretty relevant to what we talk about today. There were some buzz. I know Matt Miller was one of them, but I saw some other stuff as well that the Packers have shown some interest in Chris Johnson. Very talented defensive back. Again, he's going to be a key part of our topic of conversation today. So noteworthy nonetheless. This is one of those bits of information that I do almost nothing with, meaning they've shown interest in or they visited with. We've talked about, we've done a full episode on top 30 visits. Those things freaking matter with Brian Gudekin's. If you see a player that's in for a top 30 visit again, somewhere usually about 20 to 25% chance that they're going to become a Packer at some point in time. It might not be in this upcoming draft. It might be an undrafted free agency. It might be years from now in free agency. It might be a trade down the line. It might be that they get waved at some point and Green Bay picks them up off of waivers. They could pick them up off of practice squad at some point, but there is a strong chance again, 20 to 25% chance that those top 30 visits become Green Bay Packers. All the other ones and why I don't track it or spend time with it or tweet it out or retweet it out when it becomes, you know, to the situations where all they had a zoom meeting with this player or they met with them at the combine or they met with them at the senior Bull or they met with them at they meet with everybody. All right, they meet with everybody at some point in time, whether it be on campus in a scout goes and meets with them, whether it be at their pro day, whether it be on a zoom call, whether it be on a. There's a billion touch points throughout the course of the season. They meet with pretty much everybody at some point in time. They've got profiles on all these guys. So that stuff doesn't mean a ton, but it doesn't surprise me that Green Bay would have some level of interest with Chris Johnson. And it doesn't surprise me that they've wanted to have a couple different touch points with them. And so maybe it's something, maybe it's nothing. The only thing that I really put any true stock into is the top 30 visits, but do with it what you will. Speaking of those top 30 visits. There's been a lot more reports of those. Tom Silverstein is doing a great job of reporting some of those out Easton Butler. And then you can find all of them Packers wire tracks it as well as ACME packing company. You know, those are great resources to sort of track those top 30 visits. I haven't spent a bunch of time on it yet because they're still coming out. And as we get closer to the draft, I'll do a full episode on any of the offensive players that we're in for top 30 visits. So not spending a ton of time on it now, but I guarantee we will get there ahead of the draft and talk a lot about those players. Because again, there is a pretty strong chance that at some point in time they will become Green Bay Packers. That brings us to our main topic for today. And that is players that the Packers should or could consider trading up for in this draft. One of the things that's noteworthy, if you've been sort of looking at the draft, one of the things that's noteworthy, if you've been sort of listening to the buzz around this draft is that there are a lot of teams that are interested in trading down in this draft. And there are not many teams that are interested in trading up. That seems to be the overarching theory so far. Whether that remains true or not remains to be seen. What I think is going to happen is I do think we're going to see a decent amount of deals. And I think this is going to be a buyer's market for teams that do want to move up. And I don't think it's going to be a great sellers market. The reason is because this is a very bizarro draft. We've talked about it already, but I don't think you have the top end talent here. And I do think you have pretty good depth through about three rounds. I think the top 100, top 125 is going to be very strong in this draft, meaning you're going to get good players. And I think especially when you start getting to end of round one, I think the difference between the players that you're going to get, even starting around like pick 21 to 25 and the players that you're getting, even potentially early to middle of the third round, I don't think teams are going to see a drastic difference between those players. But there are certain positions where things could dry up a little bit quicker. And there's always somebody in the eye of the beholder. It only takes one team to fall in love with one player that starts to fall a little bit. And all of a sudden they get a little bit itchy and be like, I got to move up and get this guy. I can't let him fall anymore. They're not going to fall to me and they start trading up aggressively for them. And so today we're going to take a look at some players that again, Green Bay could potentially trade up for. The other thing is that, you know, I think this is a good thing for Green Bay. Because while I'm sure Goody would like to pick up more picks, they are in a situation where they could use a good player, right? Whether that's at corner or defensive tackle, maybe offensive line, defensive end, they could use a little bit more of an impact player. And so if Goody does like a player that I would say probably about up to pick 42. I think 42 to 47, of course they could move up to 48, 49, 50, 51 as well. But I think 42 to 47 is kind of that range where if you really like to play, he could trade and get into and it's not going to cost an exorbitant amount. I'll say one more time. I think in this particular draft, it's going to cost you less to move up than it normally would. And so again, I think it's going to be a little bit of a buyer's market in that regard. Now, a couple of trades that I'll go over that I just want to bring to your attention to just sort of give you an idea of where Green Bay could potentially get. In the 2024 NFL draft to get from pick 52 to pick 46. This is a real trade that happened from 52 to 46. It cost pick 142 and 155. So, you know, wrong to early fifth round picks late fourth early fifth type picks. I believe is what that is, but it took those two picks to move up six spots in the 2024 NFL draft. So I think that's well within reason. Green Bay has picked 160. They also have picked 120. That's a little bit higher than either of those. I don't think they give up 120 and 160 just to move up six spots. But I think they could trade 160 and then like a fifth round pick next year as well. And that would probably get you in that six pick range. If you were willing to give up your fifth this year, fifth next year, I think you could probably get up four or five, six spots. So that's one trade to look at. The other one just happened last year, the Seattle Seahawks. Now they traded from pick 52 to 35. They took a 17 pick jump in the 2025 NFL draft. And what it cost them was pick 82. Now Green Bay has picked 52. They do not have picked 82, but they do have picked 84. And again, this is a little bit of a worse draft. So I would expect that if Green Bay wanted to get to 35, 34, 33 somewhere in that range top of round two, probably giving up their second and third round picks would get them very much in that range. I don't think they could get end of round one, but I bet they could get to like, you know, if a team was willing 33, 34, 35 and certainly no later than 36, which is again what the Seahawks were able to move up to. Now you have to, it takes two to tango rate. The team that is in that spot has to be willing to trade back as well, especially trade back that far. That's a pretty steep drop in the second round. But that would in general be what it would cost. Again, maybe a little bit less. I would be willing to bet you that if that were the case in this particular draft, they probably get a fifth or sixth round pick back in return as well. So pick 52 and pick 84 to get up somewhere in that pick 35 range, but actually get probably like a fifth or sixth round or back in return as well. So you're moving from the third round to probably the fifth or sixth round, but you move up about 17 spots in round two. Whether or not that would be worth it again, it probably depends on the player. We obviously have to evaluate that over time, but those are the type of deals that you're looking at if Green Bay wants to aggressively move up that second round draft board. Now those are trades that again have happened and theoretically could happen here again. But more importantly, who is Green Bay targeting? Who do they want to trade up for? Because there has to be somebody that really peaks their interest. And let's start right away. What I did here is I looked at a few recent, you know, two and three round mock drafts to say, where are these players falling and where would Green Bay maybe start calling a little bit if these players became available? Field Yates recently did a two round mock draft. So I started with that one. And the first one, again, I mentioned that 42 to 47 range, right? Is probably a little bit more of that sweet spot. I bet Goody doesn't want to give up his third round pick. Maybe we do it for the right player. I don't know that that player is going to exist in this draft to give up a second and a third. But a round pick 42 is using probably that fourth round pick and maybe some other stuff. Again, maybe some picks from next year. Maybe that's where you, you know, get a Don Tavion wicks involved or something like that. Pick 42 in Field Yates mock draft was Chris Johnson. This one to me. I'll start with this. I don't think Chris Johnson is going to be there at pick 42. All right. I don't. I think he's going to be gone before that. So if you're hoping he's going to fall the pick 52, I don't think he's even going to fall the pick 42. But if he is that, that is probably player number one a that I think Green Bay would start calling about and targeting in this particular draft. I talked about with justice. I want to say maybe three weeks. There's probably actually more than that. There's a little bit of a Chris Johnson paradox for the Green Bay Packers. What I mean by that is in order for the Packers to love Chris Johnson coming out of this draft, he was going to have to test really well. And if Chris Johnson tested very well, he was going to be gone by pick 52. So it was almost this no man's land where if he tested well, he was going to go early in this draft, like end of the first early second and be well gone by pick 52. And if he didn't test well and he then fell the pick 52 Green Bay probably wasn't interested in him because he didn't test well. So again, I consider that a little bit of a Chris Johnson paradox. But in this scenario, he is there at pick 42 Green Bay has the ammunition to go up. It's a buyer's market and Green Bay says we want competition in that corner. Not just now, but in 2027 as well, because you look at next year and it's only Benjamin St. Juist under contract. Nixon isn't Valentine isn't and St. Juist is basically on a prove it deal. Right. I don't think you're, you know, basing anything off of Kamal Haddon or anybody else that's on the roster. You are needing competition now and like a legitimate starting corner in 2027 insert Chris Johnson, who I believe would immediately immediately start across from Kishan Nixon. What I would hope is that Chris Johnson would immediately earn one of those starting spots. And now you have an open competition between Nixon and St. Juist and Valentine for that other spot and played out from their bullets in the slot. And you know the safeties that would be an ideal scenario for me. Of course, Johnson would have to get traded for and drafted and he'd have to be good enough right away to earn immediately one of those spots. But that we can hope right. We can all cross our fingers and say that'd be an ideal scenario. We'll be right back. Chris Johnson would be a fantastic fit for this defense. And all of the indicators are that he has not only tested through the roof, but he is a big time ball lover. He would fit fantastic in the Packers locker room. And like he dedicates himself to football. So this this is a player that not only is a scheme fit is a talent fit is a need is a RAS guy right. He's a very good tester. Goody's going to like that. There are question marks about him. Of course, specifically the small school. He didn't have great competition that he went against. I brought up with with justice when we talked about him player I fell in love with from rice. Probably what eight years ago now something like that. Bill up gains who had a very similar sort of career where teams just didn't even challenge him when he did. He was up to the task and it looked like he was basically a shut down corner at rice. It was hard to evaluate him at times because he just didn't get thrown at very often. And I loved him. I fell in love with him and he got to the NFL and the difference in competition was massive and he did not hold up. He was out of the league relatively quickly and never lay. I think he got taken in the third round either second or third. It was day two for sure and just never lived up to expectations and there's a little bit of that fear. When I watched him, Quinneon Mitchell was a player that sort of kept coming to mind. He just makes it look easy. And if again, if he's there at pick 42, I would think that that's where Goody would start calling and saying like, hey, can we get up here? Can we can we get this guy? And I think it would be a huge outcome for Green Bay if they can do so. Now, am I willing to give up the third to do that? Probably not. I think there are good corners that are going to be available even in the third round that can help them and come in and compete. Certainly nobody to the level of what I think Chris Johnson can become. But I would be more hesitant to trade a second and a third in this particular draft. I think it's where the heart of the draft is and Green Bay needs by they need a defensive tackle. They need a corner. They probably need depth on the offensive line, defensive end. They need stuff, right? I think it would be very difficult to make that sort of call. But you can get it for like a fourth, second and a fourth and maybe a pick swap next year. You give up a fourth and get a fifth back or something like that. I could see something like that making sense that probably doesn't get you to 42. But maybe it does again in this particular draft. But Chris Johnson's 1A on the list that I would start calling for if I were Goody. And I think he could legitimately be interested in making that type of trade. Number 44 in Field Yates' mock draft was Christian Miller. If you remember, if you listened to the show that I did the other day where I did a 52-pick mock draft, Christian Miller was there for Green Bay. That's who I took. If he fell to 52, that'd be great. But I could see Goody getting a little trigger happy again around pick 44, especially if Katie McDonald and Lee Hunter, if a couple of those guys are already off the board and Christian Miller's kind of the juicy one that's still there and you're like, all right, really want this guy, that would make sense to me. Again, what are you willing to give up? Again, a fourth and some stuff, maybe fifth and another fifth is sure. That is well within the realm of reason. We know they love their Georgia Bulldogs. It has mostly not worked out, but Javon Bullard certainly did. And I could easily see them having another real interest in this particular Georgia Bulldog. He is good against the run, is a little bit more juice as a pass rusher than I think he gets credit for. And I think he, probably along with McDonald, would be the two ones that I feel I can come in and plug up the run pretty well from the get-go. There's still going to be struggles. It's really hard to make that transition. You are going against bigger, more athletic, more physical offensive linemen, and it takes a little bit of time to sort of figure that all out, but Christian Miller gives them a real puncher's chance and gives them so many more options on the interior of that defensive line. If they wanted to move up a handful of spots, or in this case, but eight spots to go get Christian Miller would have no issue with that whatsoever and think that would be, again, a fantastic outcome. If you told me right now that they had to give up a couple of extra draft picks, but they were able to move up and get Christian Miller, no harm, no foul would gladly take that outcome. The next one, I think a lot of people are going to vary on this one. And my guess is most people would say no thank you. In fact, I would say probably that to the next two. But I want to talk about Caleb Banks here, because Caleb Banks is somebody that is to me one of the most talented players in this draft. And he just 6 6 3 27 with huge arms. He's just a massive, massive human being. Now the issue is he played 96 snaps this past year has a foot injury that's probably going to keep him out until June. And sometimes those things, especially when you are 327 pounds have a propensity to linger. And you know, what type of shape is he going to be in when he's out, you know, April, May and into June? How much weight is he putting on during that timeframe? There are question marks here, but this is one of those situations where there's only so many of these human beings on the planet Earth. And Caleb Banks is one of them that's got fantastic size, a 9.84 relative athletic score. He did not do the bench press or athletic or agility testing. So it's not a complete score, but unbelievable get off unbelievable explosiveness. Divert the broad jumper fantastic at 6 6 3 27. And I really, really enjoyed his tape from 2024. And even the limited stuff where he clearly was not fully himself yet in 2025 when he came back from the injury was still good 35 inch arms. Right. Those the wingspan is huge. He can control everything right at the line of scrimmage. He's good against the run. He's to me bring some some real burst and juice against the past as well. I this is a player to me that if he went in the early to mid 20s in any draft, I would say that wouldn't surprise me at all. I think the injury is going to knock him down. Honestly, if you told me he's there at 52, I wouldn't be stunned by it. What I will say if he's there at 52, I do wonder if there's just there's a there's a red flag somewhere and is Green Bay usually the team that takes the flyer on that red flag. They are not right. Will Johnson a year ago, we can go year by year. There's always somebody that drops and we all get excited in the second round and then Green Bay doesn't take him anyway. Right. So that would be my concern here. But if Green Bay does not have that red flag and again, you get to pick 42, 44, 45 and Caleb Banks is still there. Man, he would he just look fantastic at that nose tackle spot next to Devante Wyatt next to there. Obviously new acquisition. Javon Hargrave coming over from Minnesota. That that is a three man front. I would I would be geeking out about that three man front and it might take some time to gel and banks might take some time to round into form and as in rookie defensive tackles and nose tackles. They they're not always perfect, but you would have some flexibility there too where Hargrave could play some nose and banks could play next to him. And on the interior when you get into those obvious passing situations, now you've got a Wyatt Banks Brooks Hargrave, you know, quartet that can kind of rotate in and out. It would be really fun. I would have again, this is another one. I would have no issue if Green Bay moved up for I'll say it again. I don't know second and third round pick here, but if you can get like a second and two fifths to get up to get the banks. Sure, I would have no issue with that. Next one. Same thing. I think this one's going to be polarizing for a variety of reasons. The player is very polarizing. And in this case, I think the position would be very polarizing for a lot of Packers fans as well. And that's Max Ionacher. He is a really, really fun offensive tackle. Now, here's why I think it would be polarizing again. A people are all over the place. There are people who think he's a top like even 15, 18 pick in this draft. There are others who think he's again, take him at pick 52 around where Green Bay is selecting. And that's where they have a more ranked, right? I think he's a first round guy. I would have, you know, if Green Bay had, you know, in a normal situation, I'd like pick 25, 26, 27, something like that. And if they had a need at offensive tackle, he would, I like him way more than I like Jordan Morgan. And, you know, they took Jordan Morgan in the first round. So I'll just put it that way. And I like, I like Ionacher way more than Jordan Morgan. He has not played football really long. He was a soccer guy. I think a rugby guy, if I remember correctly, let me pull up my notes for him really quick here. Soccer basketball, sorry, soccer and basketball didn't start playing football until college 66321. He's going to take some time to develop. All right. I don't think he is an immediate plug and play guy. I think some team is probably going to play him pretty, pretty quick, but he is so quick for his size. The footwork needs work, but they are quick feet. They are translatable feet to the NFL level. All of the hand stuff that the technique that's going to take some time, but the talent is undeniable. Absolutely undeniable. Now, where I think people are going to struggle is that's great. Even if you like him, right? Even if you like him as a prospect, have a, you know, maybe a late first round grade on him, the argument immediately is going to be where is he going to play? You already drafted Jordan Morgan in the first round. He's your left tackle and you already signed Zach Tom to a long-term deal. And I do not believe Ionacher is a, you know, guard sort of convert. I don't think you want to end up putting him at left guard, right guard. He is a tackle to me. I don't want to move Zach Tom. And I really don't want to get back into the, well, now Jordan Morgan is going to have to move back to guard. I think you have to give him the opportunity to win a tackle. So you're a little bit blocked, no pun intended from Ionacher being able to see the field because I don't want to put him at guard. I don't want to move Morgan. I don't want to move Tom. You don't have three tackle. I guess in some situations, I guess, you know, he can be that, that sixth offensive lineman from time to time, but that you're not drafting a guy with your top pick and moving up in the second round so that he can be your sixth offensive. And that, that would be ridiculous. But what I will say is Jordan Morgan is unproven. You need a lot of depth on the offensive line as much as I don't want to move them. Jordan Morgan and Zach Tom do have some positional flexibility and you just need competition and bodies on that offensive line. And I just think he's that good. So it's an interesting one. I don't think, I don't think Green Bay would probably do it. I think they'd pull the trigger if he was there at 52 and he was best on their board. But I don't think moving up to get him would probably be the move here. If they love him, like, let's say they actually have a first round grade on him and he's there in the forties and he's their last first round grade on the board. Then yes, I could see them looking at that. And I'm sure Matt and Goody are going to get where, where is he going to play? Where are you going to put him? And we're going to hear it's going to be a full off season and season of best five guys, best five guys and so on and so forth. But he's a really, really talented player. And again, if you have a first round grade on him and you're at pick 52 and you can get up a handful of spots for a minimum price, you can get a first round offensive tackle. It's tough to pass that up in the second round, especially when you're at pick 52. That was it for the field. The eighth mock draft. I looked at a USA today mock draft. Some of the other players I just mentioned also were in that range where you can move up for. But at pick 42 was Colton hood. You know, tall, lanky corner, really, really fun player moves very, very well for his size. I think he'd be a really good fit in a cover four scheme with Jonathan Gannon. He's willing as a tackler. Let me pull up my hood notes here. Good size, impressive change of direction. Tested well did not do the agility testing, but the agility looks good on tape. Four four speed uses it when he does in the rare occasion when he does get beat, he uses it to recover. Played a lot of man coverage willing tackler played very well against Ted McMillan in college in in 2025. Sorry, no 2024 should fit the NFL game very well. He's a little bit linear, but not in a way that has actually hurt him in any sort of significant way. He's strong and physical at the point of attack and knows how to reroute receivers using the sideline to his advantage. His numbers were fantastic in college. I would like to see him have a little bit more ball production didn't have very many picks or or PBU's. We'll get a little bit grabby at times. He's very patient at the line of scrimmage doesn't panic and his off coverage is going to need a little bit more work and is a work in progress. But there's a player that I think is going to go top 25 at least top 28 KC at their their second pick in the first round could be a real landing spot for him. But obviously he gets available at pick 42. I'm absolutely calling. In fact, I have him ranked. I want to double check before I say this out loud. I think I have him ahead of Chris Johnson. Yeah, I do by eight spots. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven spots. So I have Colton hood seven spots and this is not final. All right. Some of these spots can change as time goes on, but I have him seven spots ahead of Chris Johnson. So if I'm willing to trade up for Chris Johnson at pick 42, you bet I'm willing to trade up for Colton hood at pick 42. I like him. I think he's a really good player. I think Green Bay be interested and yeah, he would be another way. I don't see him getting to pick 42, but yeah, that's another one. Absolutely go up and get him if you can. All right. Two more. I looked at actually three more. The athletic mock draft, they put a, I think a two or three rounder out recently and Peter Woods was there at pick 42. This is such an interesting player. If you're just like Andy, I can't do it. I'm out on Peter Woods. No argument. The idea of Peter Woods is phenomenal. The, you know, actual Peter Woods on tape in 2025 left a lot to be desired. He's still young. He's still very, very young and the upside is just so tantalizing. Now the issue is, is that he's not at nose tackle, right? So it doesn't really solve your problem. Now Hargrave has to play the nose and yes, why in woods next to Hargrave, I think is really, really fun. I think it might take Woods a little bit of time and it's going to take a good defensive line coach to really harness what he is capable of. As long as he doesn't go inside the division, I hope we see that because I think this can be one of the best players in this draft. I really, really do. But we did, we saw nothing like it in 2025 at Clemson. This was a player for those who don't know when you looked at like the way too early mock drafts and stuff like that. Even like a couple of years now is a player that in this draft is supposed to be a top five guy all day every day. And he just didn't develop and it just didn't look the way that you expected it to. But as I talked about when we talked about defensive lineman, the upside and the flash plays, it is, it is juicy. It is very, very juicy. So just your mileage is going to be all over the place. Whereas if you want to take that chance. Where I struggle here is, yeah, he gets there at pick 52, which he won't. He's way too talented to get there at pick 52. If he gets there at 52, you're like, all right, let's, let's spin the roulette wheel. Let's gamble. But let's see if we can get that guy that was supposed to be a top five pick. Moving up and now giving up more draft capital to take a flyer, I think is tougher to do, especially when it's not sort of your one A key need on the defensive line. You need an end like a, you're an edge rusher, right? You need a nose tackle. You don't really need that three, four defensive end or that, you know, sort of three techniques sort of guy. That's not what you need. So I would say I think it's unlikely, but I'd be willing to bet you that Goot likes the player. I'd be willing to bet you that it's just an interesting sort of concept as to whether or not you'd actually, you know, bite the bullet trade up and take a pick where again, it's not your biggest position of need. You defend, interior defensive line is you could use the bodies. Don't get me wrong, but his particular brand of defensive tackle is probably not their, their one A need on the defensive front. We'll be right back. Gaba costs is another one that was there at pick 44. I would struggle with this one a little bit more. And I like Gaba costs. I really, really do. I just, if he's the pick at 52, I would be, I'd be totally, I would, I don't know if I'd say ecstatic or love, but I would really like that pick. I would really like that pick. And I think he could come in immediately and help the edge rusher room. I really, really do. I'm not sure I'd be as excited or ecstatic if he, you know, took moving up to get to me. He's right around in that 50 to 55, 56. If he went 60, 65, or even if he did go like 44, 48, I wouldn't be stunned by it. He's in that range. I would let that draft pick come to you a little bit more. And if, like, I, how I would put this is a cost would be somebody that I'd have. Like he's probably on the board at pick 50 year. Like he would be on my board of players to select at pick 52. If he gets there, great. If he doesn't, if he goes pick 50, 48, 46, he's probably not one of those guys. Whereas I'm ripping his name off the board that I'm losing much sleep over. I think, I guess I think he's going to be good. I like him, but probably not enough to trade up for, but it could be somebody that would be in play of Green Bay. Really, really liked them. And then, uh, Athlean sports at pick 41. So sort of one pick ahead of where I've kind of been talking about 42, uh, or later, uh, but pick 41 with Athlean sports with their mott draft was Katie McDonald. He would be another one that would really fill that position. And I've talked about not having that tool in their toolbox right now. What I mean by that is they've got everything on that defensive front except that, that nose tackle run stuffer and Katie McDonald would give you that. I still would tell you, Hey, give him some grace in your one. He's not just going to be a prime Gilbert Brown or Pat Williams or prime DJ reader, whoever you want to put in that role. It's not who he's going to be, but I do think he can absolutely help you and is going to be immediately your best nose tackle. And I can tell you this, if, uh, you know, Katie McDonald, what I expect him to be, if that type of player was with you for that Ravens game a year ago, I think you do a lot better against the run than what Green Bay did a year ago. And I think teams are going to still look at that Ravens tape for me or go and say, Hey, we, we think we can run on that Packers front. So getting a guy like Katie McDonald, he'd be a weapon that I'd be willing to trade up for 41 42. I think there's a chance McDonald goes in that range. I do. And if that were a player again, that Green Bay wanted to be more aggressive with to get that particular, you know, club that they don't have in their bag right now. Sure. Sign me up. I'd be totally for that. Three other names that I'm just going to mention, we're not going to spend as much time, but I'd be intrigued by Keelan Rutledge. I talked about him with Justice Mascata. He's a really fun guard. I mean, a really fun guy. I think he'd be the starting right guard. I think a lot of people just expect him to be there at pick 52. He is now getting some late first round buzz. I, if I'm betting today, I bet he's gone before pick 52. This is another one of those are like, are you willing to trade up for it though? The player in general, I would be if Green Bay just feels like, Hey, especially with the contract restructure with Aaron Banks, he's not going anywhere in the next couple of years. And if they're dead set on Belton being there, they're starting right guard. And we know Sean Ryan, the contract that just gave him, he's going to be their starting center. They probably just feel like those three spots are taken at the moment. And that's what makes it tough to trade up for. But man, I love the player, one of my favorite, favorite guys in this draft. And I'd be totally cool with doing it if they wanted to. And you just kind of figure out the rest later. Lee Hunter is another one where again, I think people expect them to just kind of be there at 52, whether he is or not. Again, remains to be seen, but I really likely hunter. He is not their usual prototype, not the high RAS guy. He looks the part though on tape. He looks more explosive than what his testing indicated. And so he's again, big behemoth guy can hold up against the run, but he's got some juice to say it one more time. If Green Bay wanted to move up handful of spots, take Lee Hunter, that would be a very acceptable outcome for me as Green Bay gets that nose tackle in this draft. And then the last one where I just, I think there's zero chance of him getting out of the first round. I'll just put it that way. If there's any chance Blake Miller starts going even in the like the 36, 37, I'm absolutely trading up. I think this guy is a, where do I have him on my board right now? 18th, 18th on my big board. I have an archer by the way at 19th. So yeah, those are 18th and 19th on my board again. Some of that will move around probably a little bit, but I think he's going to be a decade plus long. Offensive tackle, starting offense tackle, like good starting offensive tackle in this league. I think the name that I put down for him is, I think it was like Taylor Decker. Not necessarily like a like for like comp, but like what you're going to get out of him. Like you're going to get like a decade of like Taylor Decker sort of play just like really good starting tackle. I was a high school wrestler only 22 years old. Only 14 pressures allowed in 2025. He's played left tackle, impressive movement for his eyes, good footwork. Brandon Thorne, he's one of his guys as well. And Brandon Thorne is one of the best at studying offensive linemen. I don't think there's any chance that Blake Miller gets out of the first, but yeah, if my 18th overall player gets to the second round, you bet I'm going to start calling up for him. So that'd be another one. The two most likely in this scenario that I think Green Bay, like I'll put it this way. If you said Andy, we jumped into the hot tub time machine or the DeLorean or whatever time machine you would like to use. If you, you know, yeah, I'll just put it that way. And you said, Andy, I went in the future. I can tell you they trade it up. They trade up or if we're on the clock on day two of the draft and you know, it's pick 46 and we hear that the Packers have traded up. I would say the two most likely names are Chris Johnson and Christian Miller. I think those two by far and away make the most sense. You're talking about players that I think are really, really talented that are probably going to be gone by pick 52 and all likelihood that fit needs that fit the style of the defense that fit needs not only now, but in 2027 and beyond as well. That can help you in the here and now. They sort of check every single box, right? Need talent, high end athleticism, probably gone by your pick just everything. So those are the two to me that that by far and away make the most sense. Could I get there for a Kayla Banks and Max Ionacher Colton Hood, maybe Peter Woods, Katie McDonald. Sure. But if you told me right now, Green Bay moved up in this draft, I would be putting my, I'd be putting my Luigi pizzas, Luigi's pizzas on either Chris Johnson or Christian Miller. Who do you think? Let me know in the comments. I want to know what player would you want to move up for? That's realistic. All right. Realistic player that you'd want to move up for and or who you think Green Bay would make that play up for again to me, very likely that it would be Chris Johnson or Christian Miller. That is going to do it for me today. Reminder happy hour coming up 3pm central time on YouTube. Shout out to our all prone Hall of Fame members. PJ win, Brandon Palletta, boom, handle Donald D. 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