The Story Of Us: Friday, December 12th, 2025

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson-Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the Fast 5 Things You Need to Know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Friday that really feels like a Friday because we're a fucking celebrating batch. If you're watching this, you already know my guest co-host for today is the girl, the woman, the mother, the sister, the friend. It's Jacqueline Folay. Hello, Jacqueline Folay. Welcome back to the toast. Hey, how y'all doing? Oh, girl, we are so ready for you to be back. I'm so excited to be back today is a momentous occasion and it's the Friday is Friday that ever Friday because it's the final day of the week. It's the final show of the year and we're wrapping everything up with a bow. That we are. We have such an amazing show today. Jack's back. You know, I kind of overbooked over extended myself this maternity leave season that I had an extra interview and an extra guest that I'm putting in today's episode. I sat down with Jenny McCarthy. We had a nice little conversation at the end of today's episode. She's talking all things. You know, she has my dream job. She's a singer on a she's a judge on a singing competition. My lifelong dream. She's so cool. Like she'll talk about anything. You know, some people are weird. Like they don't want to talk about the thing or whatever. She did not give a single note. No, like some people have like the thing that made them famous. They don't want to talk about some people have like, oh, well, I don't want to talk about this scandal. Like Jenny don't give a fuck. Like she'll talk about anything. It doesn't give a fuck. It was a fab convo. That's just like randomly at the end of today's episode. But I think you guys are going to love. Jack's is back. No, it's Jackson. Jackson. And turn a turn in Jack's. You guys not only is it Jackson, turn it in Jack's, but my son, it's Max and Ruby and everybody was telling us that like as if we didn't know that when we didn't do it on purpose. When we named him. But yes, like Max and Ruby, my son, my third son, if you aren't a patron, I had a third son. My son's name is Max. If this is your first time hearing from me in a few weeks, my son's name is Max and we've got Max and Ruby. Ruby and Max. And if you aren't a patron, then you did miss Jackie was all over the patron this month. If you didn't see us recapping, not recapping, you're recapping dancing with the stars, see her lives and more men wise, like all the things that were like sort of coming to an end as Jackie was starting her leave. We covered it all. So if you're looking for Jackson, turn his opinions on dancing with the stars finale, see her lives and more of a new season, the reunion. It's all in the patron today's episode is going to be a regular episode. I've got five stories. They stink, but like who cares. We're together. Classic stories and honestly, the story is us. The reunification. I used to think one day we'd tell the story of us how we met in the spot. Let me just say this. You could not have come back a minute too soon. Why? What was about to happen? Nothing was about to happen. But like, let me just say, I'm really glad you're back for a multitude of reasons. Like you're my sister, yada, yada. The way if I never have to interact with another publicist ever again. And one day I will tell my truth of all the like everyone co-chair, everyone was a nightmare. Let me tell you, like people are insane working with talent. Like I'm so glad we are not an interview based show. Like it's awful. Everyone thinks that they're so special important. I can't even get into it, you guys. And it's not the people you would think it's never the stars, right? Like, oh my God, you guys, one day I will tell my truth on patreon.com slash to toast. But until then, thanks to everybody who stopped by free idea. Another memoir called cojourners truth. Yes, I'll just leave that there. Think about it. Okay. And is there any, what else about just the title? Well, and that's where you share your truth because you couldn't share it to Ben. And do you know what my truth is? What's your truth today? Every time I pick up the phone, Jackie and I, we FaceTime like everyone. We're not on like the same feeding schedule, but we're getting there. So we're always like both in our chairs and shout out to the phone. Shout out. Oh, I think it's called the best recliner. Jackie picks up the phone and she says, Hey, Cojourner, what's your truth? And you know what? I do always have like a truth to share with her. What's your truth today? My truth today, actually, by the way, this is a great segment. Right? Yeah, it is. It'll be called cojourners truth. And it's like, you have to share a secret. Cojourners corner. Cojourners. Cojourners. But I do have a truth today. Okay. You don't know it because like you see me and I look so like glamorous and beautiful, but underneath all this, I'm covered in cabbage. Like there's cabbage everywhere. I love that for you. It means that like you've started your weaning journey, but the cabbage is so effective in absorbing the breast milk. It absorbs right up. It absorbs right up. I love that. And no, it really will help if you're having like a gorgement because like you're not feeding as much like it really brings down your supply. And it's kind of a look. Don't you think like fashion wise? No, like the cabbage bra, it's a look. I'm telling you, but yeah, it's giving like very tropical, but it's not necessarily a look. Everyone I spoke to was like, even Snooki, she was like, you have to do the cabbage, but it smells. Everybody's like, it smells. It smells. Let me tell you, I kind of like the smell. It can't be worse seriously than like when you have really bad like breast milk smell in your bra, like sweaty boobs, spoiled milk, like I've dealt with worse. I did not find the cabbage to smell. And if it does smell, it's a smell that I didn't mind. And it's a snack. You've got a built in snack. Is she going to eat cabbage? No. Okay. That was yucky. It's like a rubbery. I was like, she'll do anything for the craft. So what's your truth? That's mine. My truth is that I'm very happy to be here. It's a very big milestone to be like back on the show on video, not just audio, which I could do in my sleep, but like getting ready. Plus I had a dream of making a brisket today in the crock pot and that just couldn't happen after the toast today. So I got up extra early, which I was going to do anyway to give myself enough time to prepare for the show and like enough my feeding schedule. I don't pump. So like I'm every three hours need to be available. So I've had a very busy morning feels like the afternoon. I have a brisket in the crock. I've got two hours runway ahead of me until my next feeding. So I'm excited to be here. Talk about some stories. Talk about some of the things that I've seen on this show in the last few weeks. Some of the things I've seen on other shows that I've been watching. What? Oh, you mean like TV shows or podcasts? TV shows, but there was a podcast that I was go. That's on my like something that's like an interview that I need to watch. Oh, I think I know what it is. Is it is it Bethany on? No, I watched that. Oh, you watched Bethany on? Yeah, I'm a huge. I like I love Bethany. I'll literally watch anything and I loved her. Like I become a super fan since she's been on the toast. So then I saw another podcast on that podcast. And I watched it because I stand. No, I'm obsessed with her. You got me like hooked on Bethany. And then also I didn't even tell everyone this when I came to Florida for Thanksgiving, me and Ben took a walk. Who would I run into the second I start my walk? Bethany on the beach. I love that. Beyond the beach. Yeah. She was being so Bethany on the beach. No, what was I going to watch like I know in my brain, it's like bookmark. Like I have to be on my YouTube app where I watch. You're going to watch I know on Good Hang. No. Were you going to watch? I'm trying to think of like podcast interviews that made. Oh, George Clooney on new heights. No, let me check my YouTube and see like what's in my queue. What's in your community? Like to watch Alison Roman make meatballs. I've been enjoying her cooking content. I've been liking cooking content. It was like inspiring me for Thanksgiving and I. She had a Thanksgiving special. There weren't a lot of Thanksgiving specials to be found, but I did enjoy that. I know I don't know what it is. Maybe it'll come to me during the stories. And let me tell you the stories today are much more like a springboard. If you will for Jackie and I to talk about things in which we care about like I'm not going to make a story from last week. A story, but if it comes up, it comes up because I want to hear Jackie's take something I want to insert my opinion into something that's come up a lot on this show over the last few weeks. And the story that's coming up on the news was Charlie Puth singing the National Anthem. Okay. And I'm really excited. I think he's going to do a great job. He's very vocally talented. Like, you know, set the man aside, even though I'm finding his educated, his videos have really found me at the right time where I have space and I'm holding space for him. Yeah. Maybe I'm just, you know, feeling sensitive. So I'm just like feeling warm towards him. But he's a great vocal talent and I think he'll do a great job at the Super Bowl and I think we should all be excited. Yeah. Unlike Ilyria, I do discriminate based on gender. So the fact that he's a man like is kind of weird, but if I am able to look past that, I agree. All you really need to do is sing good. And he does like just shut up and saying that's his skill. And if it makes you feel better, I feel like his voice is kind of girly. Okay. Yeah. It's been a long day. So girly. So that's something. Okay. There was one other thing I wanted to get your opinion on. Jenna Bush Hager finally made a choice. They have elected a new co-host. They've elected a new host. And it's Chanel. Mm-hmm. And I watched the segment of her getting elected and selected. And all I can say is duh. Like I don't watch the show. So I didn't know who was in the running, but for people who watch the show every day, how did you not guess this? It seems so obvious. She's like been in the rankings at NBC. Like she works the job. She did them, you know, the meteorologist stuff. She worked her way up. She's friends with Jenna. She's like a woman of a certain age. Like that's the, the host. I don't know why we thought we were going to get someone like a teenager. Young and new and fresh. No, like the job is like two women, states women sharing their morning with you. It's like they're not trying to reinvent the wheel. Yeah. And the thing is, is that it's very clear that it was always Chanel Jones. Her, she took time off like a sabbatical because her husband had brain cancer. And I think they knew he was going to pass away. And so she took time off to be with him and then grieve. So this whole Jenna and friends thing was just like a time by for Chanel. Oh, I didn't realize that that was the timing of it. We're just buying time for Chanel. Okay. So like viewers of the show, how did you not know that this is who it was going to be? Yeah, I do think the only issue I have is that they weren't clear with. I think a lot of the people that, you know, Justin, Matt Rogers, like people, I think a lot of people thought that this job like could be theirs. When from day one, it was never going to be. Yeah. It was just like a fun thing they were doing, not an actual hiring process. Correct. It wasn't an audition. Justin Sylvester posted in my opinion, like the best possible rebuttal. Cause really it was him or Matt Rogers that everyone was guessing and rooting for. And he did not get the job and he posted on his Instagram, that scene from devil wears Prada where Miranda priestly chooses. Uh, Jaclyn fall over Stanley Tucci and he says, she'll pay me back in time. She will. She doesn't. Does she? Right. Well, we'll see the sequels coming out. True. Yeah. True. So that was the news. I really wanted to get your take on. Yeah. I think it makes so much sense. And you know what? I was worried that like the Jennings friends would sort of. Muffle the excitement of like when they finally selected someone like Jeopardy. I don't even know they selected Ken Jennings apparently. Yeah. Like they just sort of fumbled the ball and like I like a hard choice. And I actually feel like they did well making the selection like as hypey as it could be. I, when I saw the post that morning, like we're revealing later today, I was like, uh, surprisingly very excited about it. So it landed for me. I think it's great. And like we need stability in the realm. We can only have so much Jen and friends. Like we needed a choice. Agreed. And I think this is a great choice though, very obvious. So again, not my fault because I don't watch the show. Correct. But to the viewers had you not guess. That's all I say. Correct. Um, any other stories that have just been like tickling you to give your, your two cents on? Uh, not at the moment, but if it comes up, oh, Glenn Powell and Michelle Randolph, like name a more iconic duo. Oh my God. Maybe the biggest ship in the port at the moment. And I don't know how we didn't even guess it because she's so land man. That's why you have to let the chips fall where they may. We could have never dreamed up. We can never, you know, man plans God laughs. It's true. When we put, I think Glenn is like on our list. We're always thinking about who we should date. We talk about it all the time. When I tell you, I literally never thought of Michelle Randolph and now I could not imagine a world in which the two aren't together. Yeah. So, oh, and Braxton and Alex Bralex. What do you make of Bralex? It makes me just like sad because he seemed like a solid couple that were very much in love, but I understand, you know, what, where they're going to get married. She's very young. So I guess we'll have to part ways. Who do you ship for next? I'm, I don't know. I haven't reached that spot yet. Like that stage of grief. Yeah. And I'm not like cheering on the breakup where I'm like, she's free. 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Go to rocketmoney.com slash toast today. That's rocketmoney.com slash toast. Okay. Fole, are you ready for our first story? I am. AI's Person of the Year. Oh, I'm cracking up. Not me spoiling it. AI's Person of the Year. Time's Person of the Year. It's December. Everybody's doing their lists. Making a list. Checking it twice. Time Person of the Year. I'm so glad I'm here to discuss because this is a very important topic. It's not a person. It's a group being dubbed the Architects of AI. Yeah. So this year AI stopped being all about the future and roared into the present. Time announced exclusively on the Today Show that it has recognized AI's seismic impact by naming the Architects of AI as its 20-25% of the year. The recognition reflects how the technology seemingly became inescapable this year in just about every aspect of American life, from its impact on education to fears of mass industry disruption. The photo itself mimics that iconic photo of like six construction workers sitting on a crane building the Empire State Building in the middle of New York, like eating a sandwich. But instead of construction workers, it's a lot. Some familiar faces. Some people I hadn't known immediately saw Mark Zuckerberg, Elon. There were a couple of girlies in there. Oh, I haven't looked hard at the picture. Of course, Sam Altman. Oh, yeah. Sam Altman. So there's two girls and six men. So it's Mark Zuckerberg from Metta. Lisa Sue from Advanced Micro Devices. Elon Musk from XAI. Jensen Wong from NVIDIA. Sam Altman from OpenAI. Dennis Hassabis from DeepMind Technologies. Dario Amade from Anthropic and Fei-Fei Li from Stanford's Human-Centered AI Institute and World Labs. Got it. Okay. I feel like some of the people sitting there are extraneous, but um, Because like the big dogs. I've heard of Metta. I've heard of Elon. I've heard of OpenAI. I've heard of NVIDIA. Unfamiliar with DeepMind Technologies, but Slay. Yeah. Um, and I just want to say, I think they mostly hit the nail on the head. Now, if it were me, I think I would have made my person of the year chat GPT specifically because one, I like a one choice, let it step in abstract thing and like everybody when they talk about using AI for help, like they talk about chat and I feel like Chad had a big year. Even though I know people use a lot of different AI platforms. I feel like I actually think chat is not even the biggest one. Right. But I just feel like colloquially like it's chat, but I understand you Google something and you could have been on big. I understand they want to give like all of these big players their flowers and I think it's pretty well done. Um, overall considering, you know, time sometimes gets it right. Sometimes doesn't. And I will say the thing I like about time and I think something they do well is a lot of times it would be easier. Like AI is not popular. Right. We could talk about the environmental impact and the cultural impact and it's going to steal jobs, but you can't deny that this was the year of AI. So they're not shy from choosing people who are polarizing or con conversations that are polarizing. So I appreciate that they didn't pretend like this isn't happening just cause like it's unsavory and it was the year of AI. I actually. Okay. So I mean, I use AI all the time for me. This was the year of AI. I mean, I use AI to make my brisket today. Oh, so this is what you this is what people are doing. Ask chat. Um, what? Cause it's like end of year. What did you learn about me this year? And then also you ask chat. What was the craziest question I asked you this year? I honestly, on the one hand, I don't want to know. On the other hand, I feel like I haven't gotten that deep with chat yet. It's all just like, how do I cook a salmon? Well done. Right. I'm an amazing committed deeply like caring mother, which was really sweet. Oh, that's, that's really funny. What did you learn about me this year? Oh, interesting. I can't share what my, I can't share what my dumbest question was. Okay. Oh my God. Okay. You care deeply about home, how it looks, feels and functions. You're a thoughtful detail oriented cook. Oh, it's all cooking. You like clear numbers and concrete answers. Check. You're a very attentive dog owner. Whoa. Cause I'm always asking questions about Bruno's health. I'm navigating early parenthood with intention. Sleigh. I'm highly visual and iterative. I like seeing mockups, examinals, multiple versions. So do I. I mean, why not? I value nuance in context. I do believe that's true. The way I communicate, this is funny. They say I'm direct, but polite, specific and warm. You, you appreciate effort, but you also call out mismatches clearly. Okay. Beautiful. That feels right. Um, do you want to go through previous time people of the year or we don't care? No, because I go listen to our last episodes for the last eight years. Who was on the short list? You know how they always give like a list of anomalies. I'm very curious like who didn't get it. The year. I like that. That's true. See the short list. Oh, that was 2024. Maybe they didn't do it this year. Oh, I kind of like that feature. I can't like think of the whole year at a glance. Um, cause I have like brain fog. That's really annoying. Yeah. They don't have it, but it would be interesting to like think about who else could have gotten it. Well, here's behind the scenes of times, persons 2025 of the year. Did they all get together? The big, they have a couple of other, um, categories. They have athlete of the year as it's so small. I can't say, hold on. Who's the athlete of the year and entertainer of the year. Who's your athlete of the year? I'll be Jalen Brunson. Oh, for sure. For sure. Mine CD lamb. Of course. Um, okay. Entertainer of the year is Leonardo DiCaprio. Of course he is. He's so entertaining. I think that's such a great choice. CEO of the year is the YouTube CEO. Like I'm zooming in on these pictures. I'm sorry. I can't read their names. Breakthrough of the year. Okay. Pop demon hunters. Oh, give them all the awards. And if that song doesn't win the golden globe for best original song, even though I want my lead to win, I wouldn't be mad, but that's on golden. Like I'm listening to it and who am I, you know, and the time athlete of the year, um, I believe is a female basketball player cause she's holding a basketball and she's a woman. I can't, I can't zoom in on her name. Her name is like a Laya Wilson. I think cool, cool. Yeah. Cool. Congrats. Here she is. Here she is. Hold on. Aja Wilson. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Um, what'd she do? WNBA. She, she plays for the Las Vegas aces, which is my favorite team. Yeah. And she won her third WNBA title in four years. She's definitely like big in the WNBA, but they're all, I don't know if time knows that there are other leagues. Other, other, um, other sports links, you mean she uses a pink Stanley Tumblr and a pink tambourine. So cute. I don't, uh, I am trying, I don't, I don't know enough about her, but I personally have not heard of her. That doesn't mean much though. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, they do like a couple entertainer athlete breakthrough CEO. Okay. So let's do ours. Oh, okay. I love this. Who's your entertainer of the year? Alex Earl. Oh, I love that. Like she entertained me in all formats. Like she started the year with like drama with her boss loved that. And then she had her relationship and then she had dancing with the stars and then her hot mess rebrand. Like sorry, I was thoroughly entertained. That's really a good one. Yeah. She was crushing it in all cylinders. My entertainer of the year or image in heap probably rascal flats for me. Like they came out with refuel duets. They came back together, which is what I needed. Like for healing and peace, um, rascal flats. Yeah. Your CEO of the year. Us. Obviously, but there's not a category for CEO. Oh, rats. Um, let me think of CEO's at the year. Um, you know, who was like, I'm always hearing about him as a CEO. Yeah. Who? I feel like we used to talk about Bob Iger all the time and now I feel like I'm always talking about Ted Sarandos, the CEO of Netflix. Yeah. I guess he's not my CEO of the year though. Not by a mile. My CEO. Yeah. A mile. I would say it's probably Ben Soffert and celebrity CEO of Sprit society. Um, that's really beautiful. Thanks. What's the next one? Um, entertain. Oh no, I did it as an athlete CD. Of course, Jalen Brunson and then breakthrough. Like somebody who broke through a new artist. Like. I can. I have one. Like I feel like someone knew who I followed or something. Let me look. I feel like I've been keeping up with new peeps, you know, it's like so hard for me to take a look at a year. Like, I know, it was this year. Oh, I think my entertainers of the year is us. I think my breakthrough of the year is innate or sisters. Love that. They broke through this year. I do think the entertainer of my year was the toast. The entertainer of the year was the toast. So last week, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, my ears, Wee, I'm having a stroke. It's Lambert. It is? Yeah. Wait, Miranda Lambert. You're thinking about it too hard. Hey. You need to just like zoom out. We're in the Lambert. Oh yeah. Thank you. We're in the Lambert. Not Lambert. It's like a Lambert in your class growing up and you're like, I'm just like on a Lambert sounds like a collection of sounds like Lambert. A police officer, a firefighter, a crocodile hunter like Lana Del Rey. Yeah. So I'm not, I think she could still go regular, but like, I don't think it's this guy, but I think she's going down a good path. Yeah. And this is just how she should be using her celebrity. Like, love it. Yeah. Love it. I'm going to keep forgetting that I'm the one doing the stories and my girl move on like fire. We still talking about this. No, I'm like, it's a good story, but like, okay. They'll suddenly change the subject. My bad. My bad. Okay. Oh, we have been talking extensively about the sale of Warner Brothers and HBO Max and the hostile takeover. And now Paramount might raise their bid for Warner Brothers by 10% after now going hostile. So Paramount Skydance, which is like the parent company of CBS, Viacom is a Viacom. Yeah. MTV, like all of them is raising its offer for Warner Brothers Discovery by as much as it plots its ex move to break up a merger agreement with Netflix. David and Larry Ellison who created, I don't even know if this was a father, son duo or husband and husband. No, it's brothers. Oh, right. They created Paramount Skydance with a media merger over the summer are now poised to bump their all cash $30 a share offer to as much as $33 a share. So it's $3 more per share, according to a source close to the situation. The raised offer, which amounts to now nearly $86 billion would easily cover the $2.8 billion breakup fee worth about a dollar of share that Warner Brothers would face if they break up the Netflix deal, then they have to like pay a little bit of a fee, a breakup fee. So now Paramount is covering it. Paramount is like so desperate. Yeah. I know this is big news and big business and it means a lot for the shifting sands of the entertainment industry, but it's a little too much for my foggy mom brain to compute at the moment. Like one, the numbers and the shares and the hostility of the takeover extremely hostile and to like what it means for the content and the streaming services and like who owns what and like, oh my gosh, Netflix is going to have Harry Potter. I don't really, I can't think that far of like what that means, you know. Okay. But did anybody else like open up Netflix and now the first thing that pops up is HBO Max original show, Love and Death. Remember that Elizabeth Olsen show with um, Landry from Fred and I Lights, which was very good. I watched it. It's, it's on the homepage now. It says HBO Max original. Like, did the merger already start? I think for them it did. Yeah. Netflix is just like, girl, I don't know you. You're plugging down. Possession is nine tenths of the law. It's true. And like Paramount's doing a lot and I am rooting for Paramount because like this would make make Netflix like a super streamer. No one would be even close to the amount of subscribers they have. And it's like, let others have fun too. And competition is good for the consumer. And if Netflix wins, if Netflix wins, we're all just going to be like subordinates of Netflix and they can raise their price and we can't do anything about it because they have everything. So the fact that there are so many streamers does keep pricing competitive, even though it seems like every streamer is just going up and up. And if it keeps content competitive, like you want to make something good. Right. So I am rooting for Paramount. I think it's good to have like multiple and I know what, well, yeah, we nice. If everything's on Netflix, let me all just pay one streaming service. Then we're back to cable where we're all paying $100 a month. Like it's just, you know, same shit new toilet. Yeah. And I'm ready for Paramount. Go to go David and Larry slay. Let me know how I can help. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, it's a bit high level. Yeah. You know, I'm just like down here, like timing your feeds. That's the most amount of math I can do right now. All right. So I'll bring you like news that is so beyond my numbingly stupid. How's that? It's my favorite about like one of the worst individuals on the planet. Lover boy founder, Kyle Cook was caught shotgunning a truly. I have to just tell you something. This is exactly what I want to talk about right now. Perfect. Okay. Do you talk about the trailer yet for summer house? I did. I think I spoke about it with Joey Kamaster, who needs to be a new cast member on summer house. That was our overall takeaway. Oh, I love that. I did. Let's take it from the top trailer. I'll tell you guys the truly thing and explain why it matters. Trailer dropped. Trailer looks good. Yeah. Trailer looks good. And I saw people on TikTok saying like, why does this trailer feel so different? And it's like, because they're out of the house, like almost all the, the footage is not in the house. It was that why it felt different. I just felt like really, you know, for a while things have been like static, you know, people have been like married or in a relationship and like this is like the biggest shift we've had in a while. And it seems like Kyle and Amanda are on the rocks again. And the rumor mill has been saying for the last few weeks, like they're living separately. So this trailer seemed to be a confirmation of that because of the six a.m. thing at a fan's house. Yeah. Then Lindsay is back and she's like in a totally new head. She's like brand new Lindsay cause she's like new mama, but also like a cast member again. I don't know if she's living in the house, but like last summer she wasn't drinking. So she's like not doing that much. Carl like is GTF. It seems like kissing girls at the table. Right. Um, Sierra West, Jesse, like the triangle lives on. Continues. Yeah. Sort of like the constrictions of last season where he's like dating Lexi. So no one's like moving on any, like everything's just moving. It's free. Moving parts. And the big sort of story from the trailer is that Amanda shares with the ladies that Kyle, you know, a couple of weeks prior, like didn't come home. He came home at six 30 in the morning and he was at a fan's apartment. He claims he fell asleep. Now everyone's obsessed with this story cause it's so fucking crazy. When I watched the trailer, I thought she said a band's apartment that he was hanging out with the band. I was like, Oh, how losery. And so I didn't ever have the reaction of then people started saying fan. I was like, Oh my God. Yeah. And so now everyone's like, what, what night was this? And it reminds me a lot of when Morgan Wallen was like supposed to be, um, in a bubble for SNL and ended up going to the bars on Nashville's Broadway street and ended up in random people's houses and all these like snap chats of like Morgan Wallen walking through somebody's suburban home went viral because now all these old snap chats and Instagram stories from that night are coming back where the girls who whose apartment it was were like, Kyle cooks literally in our apartment and it has a timestamp on it. It's five 30 AM. And one of the photos that really went viral was the time being five 30, this girl being like Kyle cooks in our apartment and he's holding a truly shotgunning it. Why is that a big deal? He drinks a lot. He drinks a lot of his own beverage. Now Kyle cook famously allegedly got Hannah Burner fired because when they were on the show, Hannah Burner, you know, started getting a lot of Instagram followers and with that comes brand deals and one of the brands she was offered was truly, um, she of course took the money. Did the ad and Kyle like made it his mission to get her fired because it was a competitor to lover boy. And now here he is drinking a trolley. It's just like funny and ironic. You know, I was reading comments and somebody wrote, um, somebody wrote, I can't, no, somebody, somebody wrote, I can't remember where I heard this, but I heard somebody once say that all the castmates pour out lover boy and just like put their drink of choice in the cans to like be supportive. Cause I did think it was weird that they're always drinking these like insane, like cosmopolitan espresso, teeny. And it's like you're in a bathing suit who wants to drink like that sugary, crazy ass drink. And like there's so many bottles of like rosé and tequila. I'm like, why are they always, do they really like it? And once I read that, I was like, Oh, that's definitely what's happening. So interesting. And I mean, you don't always want something carbonated at the very least. Of course. Maybe you want something. Flat. Flat. That's very interesting. And also like they can't use the labels of other things on the show. Oh, if we pour it in this can, like then it's not an issue and we're not, we're not like blurred out of the scene or whatever. Right. I thought that was interesting. That is interesting tidbit. And then of course the truly of it all. What do you think about carbonated? And then of course the truly of it all. What do you think about Kyle and Amanda? I've kind of like flipped my, my tune. Yeah. Like, did you share this yet? I said it with Joey, but like I've just been thinking about it a lot. Cause obviously it's like year after year after year. It's a girl. Get away from him. Get away from him. Get away from him. Like literally since he cheated on her, like even before that everyone was like, he's not a good boyfriend. He's not a good fiance. He's not a good husband. And it's like, he's horrible. Like you're dealing with depression and he's out partying. You're doing this. And he like, he's just awful. Like a really bad human. Um, but she clearly loves him so much. Like only, you would only stay with somebody who's so like crazy when you love them so much. And like, I don't know, Kyle is who he is. I think the expectation, like just sort of waiting for Amanda to do this thing that like she's not going to do. I don't know. I'm just kind of over it. I'm not like demanding her to leave him like, but you read it as she loves him so much. Why else would you say married? I don't know. There's other reasons to say married. Cause like, what, like financial? No, I don't know. We're like, Lazy. It's just, it's, it's a lot. Like, and you want to make it work. And I don't know. I don't need it. It's like, she's like so in love with him. She barely likes him. And as Bethany said, if you don't love it, you don't like it. Yeah. But like, I don't know. I imagine that after all this time, the reason that they are still together is love. No, like what else? Like seriously, what else? I don't know. So I don't know. Just like demanding that, um, like Amanda's now she's going to leave him. It's like, you said that last year. Like, I don't know. It's just like kind of, this is like their relationship. Right. Like it is what it is. He is who he is. He's, and there's never really any real ramifications for his behavior. Right. Like it's like, Kyle, you shouldn't do that. But like, I don't know. I feel like she doesn't really care. I feel like the audience cares more. Yeah. So I don't know. You know what? I kind of ship them. Okay. I don't know. I just like what we could say it again. Like, why is she with him? Like, cause she loves him. So it's like, she's like, why are you with your man? Like blue where you're planted blue where you're planted. Yeah. Her heart sings for him. Yeah. I have to imagine that it does. Honestly. Okay. Okay. Well, what do you think? Um, I don't, I don't, that's not the read that I got. You know. Okay. But so like, why else would she still be with him? She's so much cooler. She's so much better looking. She's this like young hot thing, famous gal. Like she's financially independent. Like, I don't know. I never really thought about it. Like why not think about it. And then I think you might come to the same conclusion. I've come to like, she must like really, really love him. And you know what? We should be championing true love. Even though he is my nemesis, like I do believe that they should stay together. I do. Oh, wow. Yeah. Do you think they are together right now? What do you think about the rumors? I don't know. They keep like making these tick tocks, like playing into the rumors. And it was all at Bravo con and they won't confirm. I believe it has something to do with the show. And the new show too in the city. Right. At this point, I'm just so conditioned to them. Like any normal person would be like, Oh, that's divorce. That's a reason to, but I don't know. They've survived worse. So I don't know. I think they're together. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I've been watching a lot of reality TV and it's like, you know what? I don't even want to know what's going on right now. Like I want to watch my show. Totally. Like I want to live in the universe. It's like, it's like, it's entertainment. Like I want to watch the show. I'm watching real housewives of Salt Lake city now. And it's like, I don't want to know what anyone's up to right now. I want to watch my show. Jen Chas free Jen Chas free. She's not coming back to Bravo and he has said like left, right and center. And I don't miss her. No. Um, but I am, I'm watching the season with Monica. I feel like I'm about to be at the part they just went to Bermuda. I think I know something of what happens. But as you guys know, on the show, I've avoided spoilers of like Monica gate for years. Yeah. Oh yeah. The chickens are coming home to Rooster and I'm so excited. Um, and I know the, the, the spranchise has been, go, we just like haven't been in it and it's nice to be back with the ladies. It took me a couple of tries, but I'm here and right now this season, like, I'm team Lisa. That's who I know. Bronwyn. I have not met her on the show yet, but I've heard of her in the world. Well, she's getting divorced. That was like a story. I saw that, but I don't know what that means. Okay. Well, you will soon enough. My darling, you will. I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know. I don't know nothing. Fifth and final story is like it. You know what I mean? Of course. Yeah. Just watching my show. Fifth and final story, like literally me, I'm watching my program. The only show I don't feel that way about is Southern charm where I'm like dying not to text anyone and be like, who's dating? What's the tape? Yeah. Fifth and final story is Taylor Swift. First two episodes of her documentary came out and there's quite a lot there. I was trying to avoid spoilers because I haven't had the time to watch it yet. What's in it? Even though we haven't watched it. Yes. Just because she is talking about the Vienna terror threat, she's also talking about the Liverpool attack and she gets really emotional. Like she's crying in the, in like the confessional. And then she's also crying because she met with like a bunch of the families. And then I think before a show and she's just like crying in her costume. Um, so Taylor Swift teared up in her new end of an era docu series while reflecting on the darker moments from her record breaking tour and episode one and emotional swift address the thwarted terrorist plot that led to her canceling the three scheduled errors tours in Vienna. She said, I thought this would be a tour I would be proud of. It's like a force to be reckoned with in a global culture. So never in my life did I think that we would have a terrorist plot. She said during a sit down interview in London where she would be resuming the tour mere days after the threat, noting that this isn't her first concert. She tearfully admitted, but this was the first one. I feel like, I don't know. I'm skating on thin ice or something. We've had a series of very violent scary things happen to the tour. Like we dodged a massacre situation. So I've just been kind of all over the place. She reflected. We dodged a massacre situation. She cries. She shares that she met with the families. And I remember at the time when we were talking about, especially the Liverpool attack, how heavy that must be on Taylor. And I don't know why I just never thought we would hear from her. This is, uh, I would have totally respected her decision to never share with us and what that was like and then her thoughts on it. So I didn't think that this is what the documentary was going to be. Honestly. Yeah. But I guess if they were filming her in like real time during the shows, and that was like a major thing that happened. And even with Vienna, she put out a statement, but like didn't harp on it. Like too much. You like kind of like got back to the shows. And again, like she doesn't have to say too much, but given that she's doing a documentary of the tourists, like it is, um, interesting to see like how it, how she felt about it and like how it happened. Um, right. But that's really heavy. I, I, I hadn't, I guess I didn't think about like what we would get on this documentary. So I hadn't even thought about that. Me neither. I thought it was going to be like a little bit more shallow being like, well, here's how we choose what outfit to sing with. What song? There is like a lot of intricacies around like the mashups. And I'm sure she could have done a 10 part series and we all would have watched it and loved it. That was like a little bit more surface level, but given that she's like filming interviews in real time, like she went to London and like is doing a confessional. Yeah. She has to talk about like what happened. It, we might have realized that it was taken out if we had watched it, but no, it's not like a regular concert DVD where it's like we're filming footage from the show and then in a few months, she's going to reflect on all of it. It's like, it's half. She's filming herself as everything's unfolding. So it does make sense that it was included. Cause I'm sure it also like changed the tone of her experience. Like I'm sure it just. Okay. Like also she had that tragedy in South America, right? Where someone passed away. Where some, yeah, from like heat. Yeah. So that just sort of like just changes your mood and your vibe. So addressing it makes sense. Yeah, of course. Um, it sounds. Did you see that her Spotify wrapped video went viral? No. So I'm sure you guys saw cause you got it from us, but when you got your Spotify wrapped from your favorite artists or your most listened to podcasters, a lot of people were able to send videos to their fans. If you were in like the top 1% of listeners and so the top Taylor listeners got a video and it's like, thanks so much for a great year. Love you. Bye. And Taylor was like, Oh, thank you guys so much. And she, then she started promoting her new documentary and your docu-series. And it went really viral being like Taylor Swift can't even like think her fans without just like promoting something and say, you know what? Yeah. Like that's my capitalist queen right there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I have to see the video, but it's like, did she really worry that the top 1% of her fans are not going to be watching that documentary? Right. Right. Is that really a concern? I don't think so. So why? I don't know. You know why? Yeah. Um, I got a big from a video, not from my number one artist because he's a long dead Chai Kofsky. So I got one from my number two artist, Peppa Pig. And she was really, really thrilled that we spent the year listening to Bing Bong boom. What did Peppa have to say? She's like, thank you so much for listening to my music. My brother George and my sister, Evie are so excited that you like us. Like she's, you really sound like her. I know. And what's funny is we were reading Paddington the other night and I was like trying to explain accents. And so I was trying to do a British accent. Like I literally, I froze. Oh, it's like, it's like sometimes when you're like singing for your kids, you get like embarrassed. And now here I am like, thank you so much. Well, if you got our Spotify wrapped video, Slay, thanks for the support. And that was, that was pretty cool. Yeah. That was pretty cool. Um, to see Spotify rap this year is like a mess for me. It's just an absolute mess. Also, I just need to like, I need to defend myself and my family. We don't listen to that much Peppa Pig. Um, but just the songs that we listen to are very short and you know how it goes. Like when you, they want to listen to a song, we listen to it on repeat. And all of a sudden, like the streams are getting super high. Plus we do a lot of our fit, like driving in Zach's car. So like if, it's not your account, actually, we should make one account. I should just block out my account because if that were the case, like Varsal Flats would have been my number one album. Right. Listen to it all summer. Partly summer. Just like me to like, just help myself accountable. 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And knowing that it's the good ones. ThriveMarket.com slash the toast to get 30% off your first order and a free $60 gift. Thank you, turtle. A pleasure. So those were the fast five. How did you feel that I did? I feel that you did good. Yeah. Yes. I can't lie. I'm excited for you to come back. I hate choosing the stories. Okay. Thank you. Um, but it's also funny how like the dynamic of the show is different based on who's reading the stories. Like when you're the person reading the stories, it's like, I'm the other person to react. So I feel like I have to have these big reactions where it's like, totally have the big reactions. And so much more fun. I don't know how to blast. I had a blast. Jax, tell me about your year. I mean, it was a beautiful year. It really was. We welcome, I welcomed a new nephew. A son of my own, you know, it was a pregnant year. It was a, it was a big year for the big girls. It was a year of growth in every sense and, and a lot of beautiful personal growth this year. Um, so I've just, uh, it's been a lovely year. It's been lovely to have you back. And it's been lovely to have you back because this year was also your maternity leave. And so the girlies were a little bit apart this year. Yeah. Shout out to the toasters for sticking with us for two maternity leaves in one year. I feel as though we slayed the house down boots of both times, but of course, everyone just wants Jackson turned original recipe and we love that you love it. So thanks for the patience. Thanks for the love and support. Thanks to everybody who tuned in this week. I mean, this week, well this week, yeah, but also this year, it was great. Getting to connect digitally with our community. And this is, while it is our final toast episode of the year, we still have one, our Jenny McCarthy interview, which is coming up next, but also five episodes on Patreon. It's always a good time to be a Patreon member. You guys have been saying this and we're going to do a lot of At a Glance on Patreon this month, because we do have to do like top stories of the year. Our favorite stories that we discuss, like so many things that we do annually. So there will be a lot of good content on the toast post personal, because we'll be together and like pop culture. If, if you don't really like us that much and anymore. So like the stories, I don't feel like there are people that don't like us. But yeah, I guess in thinking at a glance, like this year held the most change for the show. Yeah. The frames. Was that the Sierra? That was it was. Oh my God. I was like the summer. So like this year, like if you made it through till today, like things will be a lot, you know, I think more calm in this next year. So the frames are here to stay. Jackson Claude, like. I'm so glad we're over like the frame hate era from everyone. Like now the, now they just feel like home. Yeah. Much like Shakespeare. Was he? Yeah. He wasn't appreciated in his own time. They say about him. Wasn't he like selling out theaters? No, I think like they were like, okay. Good luck with your plays. Yeah. And I think it was probably like low brow. Yeah. It was considered like reality TV. Trash. Yeah. And now it's like, well, we actually consume trash. So that's good. Right. The bar has been lowered. Shakespeare is good. Yeah. So with that, we'll bid you adieu for the final time this year. I hope you enjoyed this interview with Jenny McCarthy. She was fab and she like totally knew and respected the toast, which I love. Like some of those people come on and they don't know and they're just like, oh, this is so great. Um, but she like knew it all. She knew I had a good singing voice. Yeah. Oh, she knew you had a voice. Your voice is really ears of Miss McCarthy. Yeah. She was like, you have a good singing voice, right? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I like. I said, I dabble. I like to say fuck. That's what it sounded like. Probably fuck. Um, okay. Cool. Can't wait. Guys, enjoy the interview. Thank you so much for listening to the toast woman. I'm running show. We deliver the fast. I started eating story Monday the Friday and YouTube's of watching is on YouTube. Please help me to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts and we're podcasting fans. So it's Spotify, it's your public radio, I heard a cast box all the places where they listen to podcasts and find us. So totally find us. We're a beautiful setting about our wick of late talented. We are. Hope you guys have an amazing end of year. Happy holidays. Chag Samayach. Merry Christmas. Happy Kwanzaa. We love you all. Love you. Yeah. Excuse me. Oh, I forgot that that's not my thing to say. Hey, hey. For the final time this year on the regular show, cause I'm sure I'll say it on Patreon. Love you. Bye. Welcome back to the toes. I am so excited to be sitting down with my final guest of the year. Ooh, spooky. It's Jenny McCarthy. Hey girl. Hey, you know what they say? Say the best. Say you the best for life. Thank you. I was excited to hear your show. I love you. You're awesome. Oh my God. Thank you. I love you. I was just listening to you in the Skinning Confidential podcast where I feel like I got your entire life story in 90 minutes. They did such a good job and you're so dynamic. I wouldn't, when I was, how I'm going to introduce you, I don't even know what to call you. I'm not sure either. I ask myself that every day. Yeah. Like are you, you're a business founder, your wife, you're a mother. You are a host. You have a background. I mean, I literally forgot up until when you did Skinning Confidential that you were on the view. Right. I'm hoping most people forget that part. Was that the worst time of your life? It was really difficult. Um, I mean, I know I've talked about this before, but you know, everyone has done a job in their lifetime that just didn't match. If you haven't, you've dated a guy that just doesn't match. It doesn't fit. I was hired initially to be a pop culture kind of, hey, I guess I was in the bachelor this week, kind of fun. Bring the light to the view because they thought it was getting polarizing. Barbara, unfortunately, did not like that new avenue after a week and went back to political polarizing fighting. And I could not handle that as a human being. So you just get like stuck there. I got stuck there for a year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, I was literally at night when I'd fall asleep at night. You know, that was when you're falling. Yeah. Literally. I'd be like, Donnie's like, your body's having earthquakes from the amount of stress. I'm sure they'd be like, let's talk about the hostage negotiations and whether the United States should pay for people that are like, I was hired to say, who's the best dancer on dates? That's awful. And then they don't help you, right? Like they just sort of threw you in. They don't help you until they change that, then they would have someone come in the room and try to give me political opinions. Now, if you haven't watched 24 seven political news, it's really hard to be a commentator, like give me a good five years and then maybe I can come back. But when your job literally, and even on mass singer, my lane, I'm in, I'm hired as the pop culture guru. Oh, that's so true. I was figuring you're so dynamic. Like when I think of you, I think of it and probably not what everybody thinks of everybody has like their Jenny McCarthy thing, for sure. Mine is the fact that you met your husband on Watch Your Happens Live. Like that is the craziest thing. And I don't know if you know that nobody on the entire planet in the world is a bigger blue bloods fan than me. Come on. I literally visited the set. Like I'm a daddy ringing stand. I'm upset was obsessed with that show. So good. Like I, the lore goes really deep with me. Oh, I love that. So are you watching Boston? I know he has a new show. I am watching and I'm very excited for him. I didn't know who of the, the cast was going to get a spin off. Kind of a big deal that it was a husband. And as time goes on, cause my mom's like, I need to get to know the new family more. I'm like, you will and you will love them. I know the episodes that are coming up that you guys haven't yet. And it's, they're brilliant. You guys are so cute together too. It was Andy coming at your wedding cause he's like, you know, he was like Jenny cause we were going to have him do the vows. And we were like, we're one of those kind of couples who are like, we don't want to bug people. And Andy would have been like, I would have loved to him like, really? We just didn't know. So were you guys both guests that night? We were guests. And that night I thought, for some reason, I thought Donnie was married. So I wasn't, I say too, flirty sometimes I could be just yourself. I give you my MTV kind of, you know, like, oh, you're not bad on the eyes, wink, wink, but not flirty cause I thought he was married. Right. But at the end in credits of that episode, you literally see me pet him on the back and I go, you know what, you're a really nice guy. Then four months later, I had my VH one talk show cause I've had many different variations of myself doing things. And he was one of my guests and I'm like, let me do a little homework. So I'm like reading. I'm like, I don't see who he's, we's not married. Oh, I wonder if he's dating. I'm going to get that out of him cause you know, as an interviewer, you want some click bait. So I'm interviewing him and he was just like, no, I'm not really seeing anybody, which to me meant he just didn't break up with anybody. You're just seeing people. And then as the interview went on, it was only supposed to be a four minute, six minute interview. It was 90 minutes. Do you guys ever go back and watch either of the segments? The time? You do? Okay. Like, thank you for being normal. Cause I would too. I feel like some famous people would be like, no, we never lost all the time, especially on our anniversary, but usually we probably go back and watch it like seven times a year because when we're laying on the pillow, if you haven't seen it, please look up the, um, it was the Jenny McCarthy show on VH one where we're laying on the ground, licking polypops, talking to each other. We both say this. It literally the way we're talking to each other is exactly how we talk to each other. Now it seems like we've been married for 11 years because we sound exactly like that now. So it's really bizarre. That's so cute. And also just like you being a pop culture expert and obsessor, while also meeting your man on like, it's literally a dream for like a pop culture swirly. It could be a homework movie. You could. You also had a big show on radio at serious six M for a while. Long time. You have so many different arrows right now. You're in your mass singer era, which like my dream I've always said, like I love to sing, but I love to also criticize people singing. Like I would, like, I'm like a Simon Cowell with swords whenever I meet someone, I'm like, Oh, you sing. Let's hear it. So you being like a judge on that type of show is that the, I imagine it's the best job in the world. Just like sitting and hearing people saying, and you have the privilege of pretty much listening to mostly good singers. Correct. Yeah. Uh, the reason why I love this job too is because we actually give flowers. Yeah. I'm not a mean girl. Yes. You know, if someone can't sing, I, these, this is what I usually come back with. You are so brave to come out here. And have that kind of courage, you know, because I feel like there's enough people giving insults and criticism and it is hard to come out there. Of course. Especially if you're not a singer on this show. So I like giving the flowers and I don't like being a meanie. So that's why, and again, I'm not the one that's supposed to give the critique, because you're not the singer expert. You're the pop culture expert. Right. Right. I would say something like I just watched your story and your clue package and it moved me so much. And I see the growth that you've had. You know, so that's where I come into play. And what is your like rate of successful guesses? Cause when I watch the show, I think, and I know everyone, I know everything. Like I watch every show I watch everyone's Instagram stories. It's really hard. Like I don't think I've ever watched a clip or seen someone. I feel like maybe I guess like when she and she was on, but besides that I really, it's much harder than I think someone would think it is. It's much harder in the studio and I'll tell you why, because we don't have speakers by the guest panel. So we are relying on the bounce of the sound off the walls. That's why we all look like we're deaf. We're all like, Oh yes, you do that because there's no speakers by it. And that gives us a disadvantage. So we don't immediately guess you guys are. Now when you're at home, it's so obvious who the person is. And we have to go through social media where people are like, you idiot. I just want to tell you, I don't think that it's obvious when I've watched it. I'm like, I have no idea. Okay. But also you cover a wide range of people. You have like lots of athletes, like lots of different generations. And there's a lot of athletes who can sing. Right. So there's a lot of surprised people. And there's also, we have some amazing artists who are supposed to be able to sing, who then can't sing without their auto tune. And we don't guess we think that they're athletes. And you believe that everyone who is performing, because you can't see them, you believe they're really in there like they are for sure. They're a hundred percent. Because do you remember that, that movie back in the day called game show? There was a movie. This is, oh my God, you guys have to watch this. Okay. There was a movie and there was a documentary first, but there was a game show back in the 50s, 60s. Someone can help me where they were feeding someone, Mr. Joe Schmoe, the answers. So he would win every week. Of course. I know this story. Yes. Yes. Yes. So then he got to be the most famous guy in the world. They won all this money. Turns out they were feeding them. Then there a lock came into play. Right. So that's why we have legal people, standards of practices and game show authority people that are literally hovering over us while we are voting. So it's like, we can't even whisper. I can't be like, yo, Ken, who do you think you want? Oh, you don't deliberate with one another. No, no, I can ask them afterwards. But it's pretty private. And so how many people do you think you've successfully guessed? Okay. I'm not getting my bad. Any average. Yeah. Since the beginning, I would say if everybody else gets about 15% correct, I would put myself at 30%, 40%. That's pretty good. Not bad. Cause there's a lot of times secret. Sh, close your ears. Fox listening. There's a lot of times where I might guess too soon and they'll remove it out of the edit. Oh yeah. Because you don't want to give the people at home like the answer. Right away. Oh, interesting. So there's a lot of times where I'm like, damn those fox executives. Because they'll never know that you actually got it right. And you guys, I am psychotic competitive. I literally, I've had executives come in my dressing room almost every season, sit down with me at a table and say, you need to come down. You need to come down. I'm like, I'm sorry. Wasn't my job to guess who's underneath the mask, but I take it to the level like there's an Academy award at the end of it. I appreciate that. So I won, they have the golden ear trophy. I've won like four of them. So, um, they, they got root of it because they keep winning it. Yeah. But there was something fun in that also, of course, like competition. And I said, listen, these bozos next to me only Google themselves. I am in tune to everything that's going on in pop culture. Yes, you are. So I deserve those. So like four years ago, my agent was like, you, can you send me a video of yourself singing? And I said, sure. I thought you never ask. Like, yeah. And she told me later on that it was for the mask singer and they passed on me. And honestly, like, I don't know if I could do it, but I think I could win. By the way, I've heard you sing before. And I think you would not only win, you would dominate. I think so too. Cause it's, and I feel like I'm one of those unique people. It's cool that you guys have like, obviously, you know, Amber Riley one from Glade, like she's the best voice ever. Like we knew that. I think the fun of the show was when you see like somebody who's an athlete or somebody who's told a comedian who has an amazing singing voice. And that's me. Like I'm not a singer by trade, but I'm telling you, I have an amazing voice. You have an amazing voice. I mean, would do you think you would ever do it? Um, like, of course, can you let me know when, well, that was my other question. Anybody ever like DM to being like, I'm coming on. No, never. That's like really illegal. Right. Sherri Shepard came on and she walked on the stage. I go, I know that walk. And then I texted her. I was like, yo, what state are you in? And she's like, I'm in New York and she showed a picture of me selfie with New York behind her. And I was like, that's someone that's just like, that's pretending to be Sherri Shepard. So she threw me off even though I try to cheat. Is it true that the show is based on like a Japanese Korean, Korean show, because it really is such like a crazy, right? Concept. Do you think people will guess you? Yes. I mean, my cup, if you read my podcast reviews, it's everybody being like, Oh my God, Claudia, you're singing voice. Please stop. Um, so I'm always singing. I actually have released two pop songs. So I do think are the listeners of the choice. If I was on, like, I think they would get it instantly. I think I would get you instantly. Yeah. And like, I don't know, I'm saying that, but now I'm going to, if you ever come on the show, I'm going to feel like a real idiot. Well now if I ever come on the show, we'll have to replay this clip back. Right. Right. Maybe you guys could use it as my little clue. That's true. That's true. It's just like my dream job to like sit. I've always like, when I grew up watching American Idol X Factor, those types of singing like talent shows. And to me, it looks like the most fun job you're in this big chair. You look gorgeous. You get to like just watch everyone and give your critique and you're sort of like, like a godly figure. What costume would you think you would want to be? Because you can pick your costume. Yeah. Sometimes. So I have thought about this. I think I would be like, like a King Charles Cavalier. So I have, well, okay. So I have, I have a King Charles Cavalier now. His name is Romeo. He's not like, I don't love him so much, but I had like my soul dog who passed away a couple of years ago. Actually two years ago, like yesterday. And we are obsessed with King Charles Cavalier. I had one growing up and I think because they do like animals, right? I think that would be like, yeah, a dog. That's beautiful. See, I would be a cheeseburger. Oh, they do food. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. I love that. I'm a, I'm a Walburger. Oh, right. Oh my God. Your lore is so deep, Jenny McCarthy. You're also part of the famous Walberg family. But you also eat really healthy. Do you eat Walburgers? I do. I'll eat the meat only. Okay. Yeah. So you're not vegetarian. You're like carnivore, right? I was, I was, I tried being vegetarian, but my body will not allow it because I have so many issues. So I did carnivore for about six months to reset my system. It was the greatest thing I ever did for myself. Oh really? Yeah. But you, like, you don't stick with it. So you're not supposed to stick with it. Oh, I know that. After a certain amount of time. Yeah. When did you become a mom? Uh, I was 29 because I thought everybody should have a baby before 30. Okay. Like literally me. Um, I was pregnant when I was 29. I was like, thank fucking God. Um, that's so interesting. How do you feel like being a mom is a part of your identity in terms of your career? Cause I feel like a lot of women love your book. Um, you talk a lot about now, like men, menopause and perimenopause. Um, why do you do like, why do you feel like that's something you want to explore on comedy and stuff? Do you know, I always want to be a mom. I want to like four kids. And then when I gave birth to my son, you know, you always hear people say like, Oh, just wait, your love is going to grow so monthly. I had no idea. The chamber, the extra chamber that would grow in my heart. The moment they handed me my son, I was like, this is what life's all about. Like we are as females, we are creators. We create a human being. I literally every day was like, I'm going to be the greatest mom in the world. And that's all I wanted to be from that day forward. I'm like, I'm going to take every job that would help you. I'm going to work so hard to be a great mom. I'm going to love you to pieces. And now it's just, that's all I work for. I live for. It just want to be the greatest mom to protect him. And you also have like a blended family, which can be tough. What's the secret? Giving it time and being good role models. And what I mean by that is initially, you know, Donnie and I both had a son that was in the same age group. And that was, uh, I'm going to say like they were both freshmen in high school. I mean, that's a tough time, tough time, tough time for boys, especially. Yeah. And then, you know, we, we weren't like, don't kiss me. Don't get, let's not kiss each other in front of them. We were like, no, no, no, no. Let's model what healthy loving relationship looks like. They might be like cringe, but so is every teenager. A hundred percent. But we wanted to show them. And it wasn't by sticking to that, by having love in the house and be example of that, it was so quick. Oh really? It was so quick. And you know, they both had their own identities. Um, you know, my son being special needs, wasn't in competition. Right. So that really kind of was helpful. And now they love each other. That's so nice. It's so nice. I'm so lucky. Yeah. I love that. I mean, you and Donnie are just the best. I feel like on social media, he has like such, I mean, I'm a part of like the blue bloods family, which I feel like it's like small in comparison to his new kids on the block. Oh yeah. Like what is it like? You go to their shows and stuff, but it's really, I don't want to use the word cult cause that has a negative connotation, but the fandom is very intense. And they're like people who have been fans of him for 40 years. Like, it's a sisterhood for sure. Is it crazy? It's unbelievably beautiful. And let me explain why. When I first started dating Donnie, I was like, I was like, Oh, I forgot my, what if his fans all hate me? What if I'm like running down a street and they're throwing cans at me? Yeah. It, when I learned about the outside of that, I'll get to that. This is the most incredible. Like I go, I don't need to be a documentary on Donnie's blockheads. They are sisters. And what I mean by that is they all have gotten to know each other for the past 40 years. They fly in for reggae unions with each other. That's really cute. When one has cancer, they fly to that city to take care of that mom, raise money, fundraisers. It is unlike anything I've ever seen. Yeah. And it's so underrated when you think about like, like, we're in like stand culture right now with like so many crazy artists. The Swifties, like they're always fighting. You really forget about the blockheads. They go deep. They go deep. And then them taking me on, accepting me has been like the most beautiful. Donnie is like, wait till you start meeting everybody. And I've been doing poppins for my beauty brand, which we'll talk about later. And I've gotten to meet them all one on one now. And literally it makes me cry because there are such beautiful people. You didn't get any hate in the beginning. Well, there might have been two that have been like, you know, you plastic surgery face. So I'm like, I've heard way worse in my 35 years now in this career. I'm like, it's fine, but they're all just been lovely. If there's any haters now, they're, they're definitely quiet because the sisterhood would go attack. Right. When you were at serious XM, did you ever go on the Howard Stern show? Yes. And was that in his era of like, because he's so rehabilitated now. He's like very cultural and he's very cosmopolitan. But there was a time where it was, you know, different. Side of the times. Yeah. When you went on, which Howard was it? I was on during old school Howard. And then I was on during kind of, I would say the more transitional where he is kind of now, kind of a place. And what was it like? Less, like more interviewing now. Yes. He's very deep now. I read his book. I thought it was one, like he's very not at all what you would expect when you say people can change. I mean, look at Howard Stern. It's insane. He's, by the way, what people don't know is when the camera goes off, he might be like very like boisterous, maybe on camera or like bold and brave and ballsy. When you, when you shut down the camera, he is very kind of sweet and like just a super kind of meek, nice guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, when I see him in the hallways, I'd be like, Hey, how are we to be like, hi. Wow. You're really ahead of the times with your radio show, like doing pop culture. If you're like, now that's literally what we do. Um, would you ever do a podcast? I am actually. Yes. Starting, um, probably in the fall of next year, it'll be a little bit of a hybrid between talk show and podcast. I was shocked when I learned that you didn't, I just kind of assumed that you did. Is there a reason you haven't done it yet? Um, I, because I did series, except for seven years, then Massacre came about and they moved us to two seasons a year instead of one on the massing on the mass singer. So I kind of said goodbye to that serious. And it was like, I can always come back. Yeah. Now massing or is one season a year. So that leaves me a lot more time. And I was like, this is a great opportunity. I missed interviewing. I want to be back in it. So getting back in the game. Oh, I love that. Okay. And so pop culture wise, what are you into right now? What shows are you watching? What stories are you following? Are you a swifty? Like I need to know everything. Okay. I'm really honest. And I don't want the swifties to come hate me because there is a happy ending. Okay. Um, I've never been a swifty. There's been some catchy songs back in the day, of course, but my friends love her. And, um, there was that recent song, Fade of Ophelia, that I saw people doing this TikTok dance to. So then I'm like, Oh my God, this song is so catchy. Then I find myself like singing the song all the time that I'm like, you know what, I'm going to buy this song cause I love this song so much right now. And I real, and I went to buy it and I said, Taylor Swift. And I went, oh man, you didn't even know what Taylor Swift was. I didn't even know what Taylor Swift was. The power of Taylor. So then I had to call my friends and go, guess what I am. They're like what I'm like, I was with you. You know what I will say? I'm rooting for them too as a couple. I'm so happy she found him. I think he's going to bring everything that was missing in her life. Totally. And it's just like, it reminds me of just like an old school romance back in the day. Yeah. You know, it's very traditional. Very traditional. And I wanted to have babies. I want to start singing about stretch marks. And I said, cause I literally just had a baby and I've been a Taylor Swift fan like since day one. And I love that she writes about the things that I have lived and dealt through with my whole life from like a perspective of we're similar ages. And I kind of like selfishly, I need her to have a baby. I know. I did. I literally said the other day, I go, she needs to have a baby now. Because that's where all of her peeps are. And you need to hear, we wanted to go through the transition that we all have as mothers, which is, oh my God, it's not about me anymore. When you realize you are living for this human that you created, life shifts, your paradigm is upside down. Those little things that used to bother you are nothing once you become a mom. So it'll be interesting to see how her music changes. Totally. And I just want to say I'm so ready for it. Breastfeeding. Yeah, right. Breastfeeding. So nipple. So nipple. Yeah. Did you breastfeed? No, I tried it for a day. And I was like so paranoid about having implants that I was like, I'm scared. You had them before. I had them already. Yes. I was like, what if there's a leakage in the tubing and which there isn't? But I was so paranoid about that that I didn't do it. It's easy to get paranoid in day one. Yeah. I'm still on my breastfeeding journey. Bless you. I'm always talking about it. That's why I asked. I would breastfeed for many years if I. Yeah. It's just hard because like, I know everyone's so sick of me talking about this, it's really hard to lose a baby weight when you're breastfeeding. Yeah. And that's currently when I'm just sort of grappling with. Yeah. But so worth it. I'm telling you the immune system and your baby is going to be light speed against everybody else. Okay. Other pop culture. What do you make of Harry and Meghan? That's a great question. Thank you. You know, in my old age here, I try to look at it from a different perspective. It gives you a little bit more wisdom. And I, I, I feel so, I have an empathy for them, a sympathy for them, because I know what it's like to be in the public eye. It's awful. My diagnosis though of Meghan is possibly there might be a bit of narcissism in there. Right. Because a normal person would step away. Yeah. Step away. But this is the thing that I think that bumps everybody is the hypocrisy of like wanting to get out. And if she wanted on all merit to get out, cause if I lived in the house that they were going to put me in this moldy cabin, I'd be like, get me out here. I need a starburst across the street. That little cottage. I was so funny when she described it. Yeah. No, I agree with her. And then I saw pictures and I was like, oh, yeah. She was not kidding. She wasn't joking. No, I'd have gotten out of there too. Agreed. So, and then if she would have gotten up to dismantle the royal family and they could have been a hundred percent worth dismantling, you just don't go then and then try to have people say the Duchess of Sussex is entering the room. Right. That is where you're going to lose your audience. Yeah. It doesn't feel authentic. And then she's also really trying to brand herself as a solo kind of, um, Meghan, Meghan, Meghan, period, a Susie homemaker or whatever you will. Um, and on the flip side, I do know that, you know, she's a human being, a mom, trying to maybe make a career. I don't know where they're getting. Just Harry getting money. I don't know the money is very, because they live a very expensive life. They live in Montecito. Like that house is not cheap. And they have a bunch of projects, but a lot of times they don't finish those projects. Like she famously didn't finish her Spotify podcast or second podcast. He has a book deal for three books. He's only released one, like. Right. So the, you know, that's where I feel like that money could run out. Yeah, definitely. So she could be having a panic of, I need to make a brand real quick so we can sustain our lifestyle. Yeah. Um, I just don't think the jams are going to sustain the Montecito lifestyle. I don't, I don't think so either. And I don't think so either. So you ever live in LA because you live in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I lived in LA for 20 years. Oh, loved. Hey, I did not like it. Oh wow. I didn't like it. You know, I'm from the Midwest. There's a Midwest sensibility of, you know, just like this down to earth, you know, sit on the porch, you drink beers, the kids, catch lightning bugs. That does not happen in LA. In fact, you don't know your neighbors in LA. So I, um, I got out of dodge whenever I turned eight. I was like, I need my son to play in fire hydrants, ride the bike down the street where I don't think he's going to be kidnapped and, um, play in the fire hydrant. That's really cute. I agree. Next pop culture. Are you into TikTok at all? Like, do you know the players? Well, I don't know the players. You don't know the players. Okay. So do you watch Chans with the stars this season? Do you feel like dancing with the stars is kind of a competitor to, um, mass singer? Oh, I was having this conversation with somebody who she was an influencer and she has an amazing singing voice. And I was like, would you ever go on the mass singer? Um, because we both agreed like we can never go on dancing with the stars. It literally seemed so hard. And I feel like it's really similar. You know, I, I think it's similar in terms of, uh, possibly casting similar celebrities, right? We do a lot of crossover, but, um, I guess it would, if you were a dance, if you were dancing with the stars, you were, you might be a mass singer, viewers all we might attract the same people, but I don't look at them as competition. Interesting. Yeah. What do you make of the Kardashians? You watch your show? I do watch the Kardashians. So do I. I do. I do love the Kardashians. You've interacted with them over the years. Yes. I did skims. Um, me and Carmen lecture did one two summers ago. I think like iconic. It was pretty fun. Yeah. I showed up not knowing. We were going to be doing a nineties old school, like red corvette, right? Water hose. I was like, I would have bikini waxed everything. If I know, I was calling in all fours, but nonetheless, it turned out great. Was that a high paying gig? Uh, you know what? It was a fair. Okay. Paying gig. It was fair. A little wage. Uh-huh. It was fair. Um, but I do love watching the show. I love Chloe. Mm hmm. Um, I want Chloe to branch outside her family for guests. She's definitely like scarred from this whole life. It's very shocking to watch her cause she's always been like the most confident loud one. And in recent years, it's very clear that like she's scarred. She's scarred from fame. I think she got probably not the brunt cause Kim has always been more famous, but so much of the negativity when it comes like people who hate the Kardashians. They really come for Chloe and her looks for so many years. Think about the trauma that she's gone through just outside of that. So she's, then there's like the Lamar and everything. A hundred percent. So she's, she's got a, she's got armor and I know that armor, but she doesn't want to let, let anybody else. And she doesn't even go out. Yeah. I mean, but I'm hoping that her podcast, she kind of introduced more people. Like I would love to do her show. Totally. Everybody, you know, and this is where I think that in my brain, I go like, I could totally be friends with Chloe. You know what I mean? We all think we could be friends with Chloe, but that's why she's everyone's favorite. Correct. She's so real. So what do you make about the sisters? I feel like every season we have this conversation, but it feels more than ever. Like they're so, especially Courtney and the others, they're so distant. Like there's such a weirdness in their relationship. And of course they're all on different paths. Kim is like in her hustle era. She can't stop taking different gigs. And Courtney is the total opposite. Yeah. She's breastfeeding her eight year old. So what do you make of like the sort of shift and that there's really like a divide between them? There is. I think therapy is its own main character in the show. Kim might call it the nemesis in it because I do think there's some truth to when Courtney got into therapy. I will say she found her voice. Yes. It was a good thing for her until a certain point. I feel correct. I think, um, and I can understand, you know, in therapy where you learn, Hey, maybe my mom cheating on my dad caused me a resentment for my mom. And now I have, now that's why I don't, you know, I don't get along very well, or I'm not as close. I should say. So I think therapy is causing a lot of, um, stuff to come up. Yeah. And the Kardashians always talk about that they learned to just brush things under the carpet. I think as time goes on, we're going to see now that they're all in therapy, things come to a head even more. And I feel like the show has gotten better because there was a couple of years at the end of the E and then the beginning of the Hula where like, it wasn't my favorite. They were just like fake storylines. I do feel like they're sharing more now. Now, now let me just dive into this for a little bit second. If I can dissect this is, is I'm, I'm always interested how Chris, like roots for the X's that have hurt the daughters. I'm mind boggled by that. Now, uh, you know, it's like, why aren't you with Lamar? Like get Lamar back or like Scott should be invited to everything. It's like, mom, did you see, did you, did you watch the other episodes back in the day? Like I gave him so many chances. I've moved on. I don't want my ex. Do you want, um, you know, Caitlin to come here and she's like, mm, good point. So it goes back to that because I feel like the girls all talk about how amazing it was that their mom and Robert Kardashian after the divorce, it was a little, you know, rough for a while, but overall they had an amazing childhood with both parents in the house, even though they weren't together. And they talk about how amazing that was and how much they appreciated their mom putting aside their differences. And I feel like now she's just taken that too far. The way she's like, keeps all these toxic men around and some of them like are the kids dad. So I understand it to a certain point, but she's doing too much. Too much. Agreed 100%. I, it's important to get along with the baby daddies, but not, you know, inviting them over to like watch a movie in your bed. Exactly. My final question for you is do you watch Bravo? It depends which show. I mean, watching the Housewives of Beverly Hills. Okay. And what do you make about Rachel's? I love her. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a great choice. You know what? She's given a honest perspective on divorce. Yes. She's not holding back. We love her style. I think that she's not scared to use her voice, but she's using it also not in a mean harsh way yet. Yeah. Cause I'm, I'm remembering Rachel's though the show on Bravo where she was like really mean. That's not at all what she was giving. No, she seemed lovely and she's wealthy and stylish. And that's what I'm for me. Mind you coming out of the gate, you know, everyone send out their representative. Like she's putting, you know, she's showing her, um, her boundaries a little bit. Like, you know, don't come for me so quick because I've got, I'm tough. Yeah. But the thing about the Beverly Hills women is that like there is definitely a hierarchy. Yes. People don't mess with Kathy Hilton because she's Kathy Hilton. And I feel like people aren't really going to mess with Rachel's own. Nobody wants to be on Rachel's. Those shillers like they're not dumb. No, no one wants to. And I want to be stopped by her. So I would like, Oh, for you guys, does this bag go with this? Have you ever been approached for any of those shows? Cause you've done reality TV. I have. But any, you've been for like housewives Beverly Hills. I've been, I've been approached now for, um, Bethany actually, this is kind of old news, but Bethany emailed me and said, I'd love to be, have you come on to the housewives of New York when she, in the original or when she came back, when she came back and living in New York. I was, I was like, girl, I'm living in Jersey. I'm living in Hoboken. I don't know if, but you know, no one lives in the city that they say they're from, but, um, and then also, um, when they were going to do housewives Chicago, I was asked, but I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not housewife. I'm a, a voyeur of it. Um, I'm a disector of it. If I was on the show, I'd be like, yeah, you'd be recording podcasts. I would just be like loving. Now, if I had to, if times got rough, of course, you know, you never know. That's why I say never say never for any job, but yeah. When did you live in Hoboken? Was that during the bluebloods? That was during my, uh, um, serious ex-emierce, my seven years. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah. And you were married to Donnie then? Yes. I was married to Donnie. Yep. The life of Jenny McCarthy. Did you get my beauty package? I did. I did. You're also the founder of a makeup brand. Yes. Super clean. Super clean. That's very important to you. Can I brag about it? Go for it. Formless beauty. I created this out of a desperate need because I have so much stuff wrong with me. I have an MTHFR gene mutation. 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I'm going to you. I know. So we're in 480 stores. Wow. Test it in person. You started totally on your own. I started with three lip glosses only to see if people were interested in true clean beauty, right? Cause everyone says they're clean and guess what? They're not. Well, the thing is, is, and I've never been particularly like a clean person until I got pregnant. Yeah. And I didn't really know that that could expand. I did think a lot of like clean beauty was a marketing thing. And I do think that a lot of the products that are marked clean are not, and I made a tick talk like doing my makeup when I was pregnant and I was using the milk hydro grip primer and somebody was like, you can't use that as not breastfeeding safe. I'm like, I'm not breastfeeding. Excuse me, pregnancy safe. And I'm like, there's makeup that's not pregnancy safe. I had no idea. When I go live, so many pregnant mamas come on my channel and like, I'm pregnant. I'm like, we made this for you. That's so crazy that like you can, that like their makeup products, like what's really in them. If you can't use them when you're pregnant, it's kind of chilling to think about. The parabens, the phthalates, those are cancer causing agreements for formaldehyde, the hormone disruptors alone. They're still heavy metals. You're going to find a lot of lead. Yeah. In makeup. So we followed the environmental working group guidelines and they gave us a list of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients. And you have none of them. We've, yeah, none of them. We formed a whole beauty brand around that. That's why we belong in sprouts because people care about ingredients. That's very cool. It's called formless beauty. Formless beauty. Do you feel like maybe you want to make code toast for, you know, maybe five or 10% off just a suggestion. I would love to. So why don't we do 10? Okay. You guys are welcome. Yep. Jenny, a pleasure. Really. Honestly. Cannot wait to just see what you do next. And we're really looking forward to the Jenny McCarthy podcast. Are we in the playboy era? We had the serious XM era. We had the reality TV era. We have mass singer era, but we're ready for your podcast. And then please come on my podcast and please think about singer sometime. I would love to ask me. I'll be there. Like, you know, I'm so desperate and thirsty. Like, yeah, I would love to sing. Also, I sing at the karaoke for like the homeless man outside. I will sing on TV. Oh, you have to do his ass. Okay. Good. Um, and yes, I would love to come on your podcast. Guys, this was our last interview for the year. I hope you enjoyed every minute of it and we will see you on the next one. Love you. Bye.