RE-RELEASE - Jay Mohr
64 min
•Apr 1, 2026about 2 months agoSummary
Jay Mohr joins Dana Carvey and David Spade to discuss his time as a feature player on Saturday Night Live in the early 1990s, sharing chaotic behind-the-scenes stories involving Chris Farley, the writing process, and his journey through addiction and recovery to his recent marriage.
Insights
- SNL's feature player role is significantly harder than cast positions; writers often don't know who feature players are, requiring self-promotion to get sketches on air
- Mental health and substance abuse issues were prevalent and often unaddressed during SNL's 1990s era, with the show's high-pressure environment exacerbating existing conditions
- Sketch writing success depends heavily on relationships with producers and head writers; Jim Downey's instinctive editorial judgment was more valuable than explicit feedback
- Recovery and sobriety fundamentally changed perspective on past experiences; reframing suffering as self-caused enables agency and solutions rather than victimhood
- Impressions and character work require strategic visibility—keeping talents hidden until properly marketed to writers and producers significantly reduces their utility
Trends
Mental health stigma in entertainment workplaces during the 1990s; untreated addiction and bipolar disorder were normalized rather than addressedThe importance of personal branding and self-advocacy in creative industries; passive talent often goes unrecognized regardless of abilityRecovery culture and 12-step programs as frameworks for personal transformation and professional re-engagement in entertainmentGenerational differences in marriage and commitment; multiple marriages across life stages as a normalized pattern for personal growthThe role of mentorship and institutional knowledge in creative gatekeeping; access to decision-makers determines opportunity more than talent alone
Topics
Saturday Night Live production and writing process (1990s)Feature player vs. cast member dynamics and career progressionSketch comedy writing and editorial decision-makingImpressions and character work in comedyChris Farley's personality and on-set behaviorSNL writer and producer relationships (Jim Downey, Lorne Michaels)Substance abuse and addiction in entertainmentRecovery programs and sobriety (12-step programs)Mental health diagnosis and treatment in the 1990sStand-up comedy club circuit and career developmentMarriage, divorce, and relationship progressionBipolar disorder and manic depression diagnosisAdderall addiction and stimulant abuseIntervention and treatment experiencesPersonal transformation through recovery
Companies
Saturday Night Live (NBC)
Primary subject of discussion; Jay Mohr's experience as feature player and writer in early 1990s
The Improv
Comedy club where Jay saw Tracy Morgan perform and where he developed his stand-up material
Wally and Joseph's
Restaurant in New York frequented by SNL cast and writers during the 1990s
Morongo Casino
Venue where Jay performed and was transported via helicopter by pilot Lorenzo Lamas
Beverly Hills Hotel
Where Jay was staying when he first met his current wife Jeannie in person
People
Chris Farley
Subject of multiple anecdotes about wrestling, physical comedy, and chaotic behavior on SNL
Jim Downey
Key decision-maker on sketches; provided editorial guidance and mentorship to Jay Mohr
Lorne Michaels
SNL's leadership; provided guidance on sketch momentum and guilt-driven motivation
David Spade
Co-host of the podcast; shared SNL experiences and memories with Jay Mohr
Dana Carvey
Co-host of the podcast; discussed overlapping SNL timeline and shared experiences
Al Franken
Directed the Charles Barkley vs. Barney sketch; provided shot lists and creative direction
Norm MacDonald
Known for smoking indoors and delivering simplified, effective jokes in sketches
Rob Schneider
Mentioned as part of the group that advanced from feature player to cast quickly
Adam Sandler
Mentioned as part of the group that advanced from feature player to cast quickly
Fred Wolf
Graphics room writer known for manipulating situations and creating comedy scenarios
Tracy Morgan
Seen performing at The Improv; known for observational and street-oriented comedy
Darrell Hammond
Impressionist who worked with Tracy Morgan; had long tenure on SNL
Kenan Thompson
Referenced as one of few cast members whose entire career was defined by SNL
Mike Myers
Known for writing perfect sketches that required extensive rewrites despite quality
Christopher Walken
Subject of Jay's psychic friends network sketch; known for distinctive delivery
Shannon Doherty
Guest who declined to participate in Sean Young parody, affecting sketch momentum
Lorenzo Lamas
Pilot who transported Jay to Morongo Casino performance
Jeannie
Jay's current wife; married 8 days before this podcast recording; met via radio interview
Quotes
"Everyone who's ever been on SNL will spend a lot more time being an ex SNL person."
Dana Carvey
"There's times when you're going to give me an idea and I'm just going to say, I don't think you should write it. And I can't really tell you why. I just know it probably won't get on."
Jim Downey
"I am the reason for all of my suffering, which thrilled me because if I'm the reason for my suffering, then I always have a solution."
Jay Mohr
"Marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into."
Lorne Michaels (quoted by Jay Mohr)
"There ain't no eye rolling in that motherfucker, D."
Tracy Morgan
Full Transcript
J. Moore, Dana was probably more from me being on SNL, but did you overlap at all? He was there when I hosted, but he wasn't there when I was part of the cast. J. Moore who did, he came on when I was there. We got to be friends. I still see him here and there. He has a funny podcast, talks a lot of old stories and throws us into impressions. He does good impressions, which you probably remember, he does a really good walk-in. That was the last time I saw him do it, but he has a lot of people and he can really imitate well, but he is a funny dude. We sat down with him and we had a blast. The guy is funny, he's always been funny. He had sort of a really up and down time on SNL. And he tells those stories. It's always interesting, you know? But I always tell people, everyone who's ever been on SNL will spend a lot more time being an ex SNL person. That's true. Everybody, except for Kenan, but that's all right. So far. Darrell Hammond, Kenan, they were most of their life was on SNL. Good for them. Anyway, J. Moore, this is entertaining. Please listen. When did you come on? 91. 91? I was there till 93. I, wait, do you know who Dana is? Which one? Are you a church-lay fan or are you more of a Garth guy? Are you coffee machine fan? Your Dana? No, it's about contract. I had to grow this so we look even more similar. I was not on Saturday Night Live with you, Dana. This is not cutting top. But we both were there in 92, so there's a little bit of a problem. Yeah. When you and I were there, David, was Dana there also? No. Well, let me ask you a question. I came in with Sarah and Norm and David's help. Did you do it with Sarah and Norm and David Tell? No, that was later. Okay. So you weren't there in 92, because that's when I was doing, was Wayne's World happening all the time? What is this, what's Wayne's World? Okay. Let's back up. So you missed it by... I had much. I used to just by a little bit. A birdie told me. But I remember being there at once where, where Franken and Chris Farley were gonna fight. Franken and Chris Farley were gonna wrestle. And I remember you hanging around and I remember, oh Jay, you know, like you were like, I could take both of you guys kind of like you were gonna, there was a three. So I don't know if you ever wrested. I do remember that now. And I also remember, okay, David and, so where's it called you, David? David. You can only spade and spade. Spade and Fred Wolf were in the graphics room. I knew Fred Wolf would come up immediately. He's the best. Fred. You're very funny, you're not so funny. That's really good. I'm sure you do that. No, no, no. The six shooters up here. David. I don't want to, it's really good. It's really good. I've tell you a story, but I'm gonna talk to you. I'm gonna talk to you. And I don't have any question for you. I just remember a waiter coming over, going get the fuck out of here. He's in the middle of a punch line and the waiter would walk up. He goes get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Because they always come on the punch line. Cause it's funny to you. It's funny to you. But I was pretty good, right? But I wasn't as funny as you guys. So spade and Fred Wolf were in the graphics room and I walk in to see what they're doing. Then Farley walks in and then Fred just, Fred's like the master manipulator. Like, hey Chris, you know, Jay wrestled, you wrestled. No. Jay says he could kick your ass at wrestling. And I'm like, yeah, I'm 23 years old. I'm like, absolutely. And Chris just, You were a young stuff. Chris is just like, yeah, all right. So we square up to wrestle. I like he's not even in this crazy. This was in the riders room where we also- No, this is in the graphics room. Oh, okay. Like, on the way to Lawrence office. Okay. And just you and Fred were just doing a private time or something. Some graphics. What happened? So I made the mistake of shooting in on Chris's legs and he just collapsed on top of me. And then I went to my stomach and I brought my elbows in and Chris for the next six minutes sat on my back going. Hey. Hey. Like, I really- And you couldn't get out. No, I thought I really thought my life was gonna end. Like, you know, Chris- Well, yeah. He was probably trying to say like, Chris, you're trying to- Eight, nine. My back. And after six minutes, David saved me. He goes, get the fuck off him. Come on, Chris. Look at the guy. He just jumped. He just went- By the way, first of all, it was all Fred's fault. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Jay is doing my mean Chris Farley's little running thing. His heart attack thing where he always hits his- Or he goes- Son of a- I have a- Are you supposed to have a tingling feeling in your left arm? It's going numb. Yeah, yeah. So what about when he walked you to the elevator? Wasn't he mad about that? Oh, I pinned him. Yeah. So the rematch was- Oh. It was Dana Carvey- Dana Carvey. It was, wow. I was a breath free. I was reading your name right there. It was Alec Baldwin. I get you guys- It's all in Chinese. Me and Alec, we know. It's just a thing. It was Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger were co- They were in mingling? Yeah. Okay. My follow-up to that was like, it really like bugged me. Because I've like- Well, can I ask for a second? How good were you at wrestling? You're a good wrestler. I'm much better as an adult. What was the weight when you took on Farley? What was your weight? It was probably 160. Okay, so you were his lean. Okay, so tell me about how you pinned him by the elevator. How did you pin a five, six, 270 pound man? He was sitting on the couch. That's not what I figured he was at his prime. I'm glad you asked. You get him right after he went to Wally and Joseph's and he had shells. Wally and Joseph's. He's taking nap. That was our go-to restaurant in New York. He was sitting on the couch right inside the- Oh. Right inside the writer's room. And I walked in, I said, hey, I said something and he got like, hey fat boy, you still wanna go? No, no. And he went to get up and everyone's sitting at the giant table. Yeah, why are you still- You still wanna go. There's like 40 people going, why are you doing this? How the fuck do you get- I was nuts. Yeah. Untreated alcoholism. What are you doing? Untreated, totally. And he went to get up, his mistake was, it's like never getting a fight, getting out of your car, you're dead. So he got caught in that limbo between getting up. Starting halfway up. And then where'd you go? So I went, my right arm around his head and I just went bodied into him and then we just were falling forward and then I clasped my hands under his, like back of his knee. So we did like a somersault into the room and I put my knee in his side and my forehead on his temple. Just cause I knew if I let him go, he'd kill me. Yeah, no way. So it's like when you're fighting a bully. You are brave. I don't want to let him go cause he'll beat me up in front of how he calls me more importantly, and he's like, Jesus, don't look at him. And so I let him go and everyone's staring at me like, what the fuck is this guy doing? So then I slapped Chris's ass, I go, now or even. And I get up and I'm walking to the night elevators. I don't know why I turned left instead of right. And I just hear this, like running up the bulls behind me. And I turn and it's like the entire room has emptied out. And they're walking towards me, but in front of them, Chris is walking like a zombie. Like, you know, Scooby Doo, like with the big leg. And his eyes are up in his head, like, like, man, his palms are out. Terrifying. So I had that time to get to the elevator. I'm hitting the button, I'm hitting the button. The night elevator opens and it's filled with people from the rainbow room. Yeah, it's like it's half-kitten. It's a wall of it stops. A wall of black tie and gowns. Just taffeta and fucking Ben gay, just all these. So I went into the elevator and then Chris is walking towards the elevator. Now he's going to kill me and there's going to be collateral damage. And I go, look, everybody, that's Chris Farley. And the whole elevator, like on an episode in Newhart, just goes, oh, and he goes, just turned around and the elevator door closed. You got so lucky. I got saved with a fucking murder. Oh my God. He'd get that temper. The only reason I lived is because he just, he had to get the laugh. Even in that, even that, like instead of running at me and grabbing me. Once everybody was mobile, he was like, I remember. I told Dana, I said, I remember Chris and Jay. There was a wrestling situation and then Jay got the best of them and went into the elevator. I just made him turn purple. Oh, he got the best of me. I just killed him. So you had skill. You had a lot of confidence. Well, I watched a lot of UFC. So, you know, you see me on that. Well, I've seen guys that look like you, I don't know, but, but leverage a smaller person. He just, if it was, he was, the way he was getting up off the couch was just a godsend. That I got really lucky and it just took my shot. Well, he was just obviously a big man. He was quick. He was just like, hey, he always went like punchline first. He's like, all right, young fella. Yeah. Hey, how are you? Hey, how are you? How are you, lady? Yeah. Sorry. I remember when Dave Atele and I were in the office and Farley walked in at like 1 a.m. on a Thursday. He was just like, whoa. And he's like, what are you guys doing? And at the same time, like creepy twins, we said, we'll pay you $100 to shit out the window. Oh, you initiated that? You started that? And he just went, oh, it gave me the money first. Gave me the money first. And so he did this more than once? 17th floor. No, that's, we had to fill out a police report because I thought it was a jumper. Mm. So he opens the window. Does he take down his pants? And then he puts his ass out. So yeah. And it was obvious right away he didn't have to shit at all. Because he turned like purple from effort. He was just like, so nothing happened. No, like a one little thing. One hairy milk dud. And hit Lorne Michaels, who was coming back from Morseh's. Excuse me, Paul, do you have a napkin? Can't do it. You got a little bit of feces on you. One of the feature players shit on me. It fell in the window onto my desk. Oh, what? So you initiated it and you become the victim. Yeah. And then there was nothing to wipe his ass with. Well. So we wiped, I always leave this part of the story out out of respect, but you guys know how much, how love, we can't love anyone more. No. So he wiped his ass with his hands. And is he only option? For people listening who don't, who think being on Saturday Night Live is a barrel of monkeys, you're right. And this isn't exist. Because when he would. How much fun it is. He would come to my office and go, yeah, I've got a greasy trail, which I figured out later what it was. And he'd take my USA today and go, give me a piece of that. And you know, you can do that. So after he wiped his ass with his hand, he went back to that mommy walk. And he fucking chased this. Oh, yeah, with the 17th floor. With the shit on his hand. With the mommy walk and shit on his hand. And I'm running down the hallway past like research. And there's those bookshelves in the hallway. And me and Dave and Tell are running side by side. And I'm like, we're not going to make this side by side. We got to go single file. But I don't want to be in the back. And Dave, like I'm like two years removed from competitive wrestling. And Dave and Tell, a chain smoking miserable guy, just passes me like he's out of jet ski. Yeah. And I hit the bookcase. My shoulder like pops out. And I'm just laying on my back. And Chris for like minutes is just standing over me going. Oh, with that. Didn't you have the broomstick though? Or was that a, or we don't talk about it. Yeah, that was, we don't talk about it. That's even more. OK, yeah. Yeah, it's good. Well, the writer's room. The writer's room was a very fun, late night, chaotic place. And we're even downy. Everyone's looking for any reason not to write. The first sketch I ever handed downy, I didn't know like he slept there. He was going through some shit. Yeah. And he just wanted us around like in the loneliest hours between three and six AM. So remember you make us watch like Joliette High School basketball. Like look at this. Look at the ball movement. Oh, you were out by then. He did like to talk about like if I ever got in that downy's office, which all we want to do is get down his expertise. And he was, you know, he's been there for 20 years. So when we get in there, he goes, it's fate, what is going on in Arizona? And then I would go through all that, but I'm trying to go through my progression so I can get to my horrible sketch that he's not going to like. And I would talk and talk and just talk. And we would just talk and Schneider, let me in. I'm next. Too much time. So two in the morning you leave and then Schneider goes in and then, but poor Jim, that's what he had to do is just take OK ideas. One time he did say something smart. He goes, well, he always said something smart. Yeah. But he said something that I remembered where he goes, there's times when you're going to give me an idea. And I'm just going to say, I don't think you should write it. And I can't really tell you why. I just know it probably won't get on. And I can't even articulate. It's just not right. And I said, OK, fair enough. And sometimes I would do it. And he goes, I don't think that's the one. And I'd be like, this is one of the guys that decides. So why go through the motions of writing? Unless it's going to be so primo, he has to overturn his opinion. But he just goes, hmm. And that's hard to do. It's hard to tell someone not to write something. The first sketch I ever handed him was the Christopher Walken psychic friends network. That had to get on to get on. Eventually. And but I was, you know, I didn't see him till like 9 a.m. And I finished it at like midnight. So you stayed the whole night. I stayed on the couch and this. And then they go, oh, you can go. I think it was Lori Jogos. You can go see him. And then he's sitting on his fucking little couch, brushing his teeth. It's like a face of foam. Yeah. And he goes, let me see it. And I go, hey, and I handed it to him. And he put this palm out like this. And I put the sketch in his palm. And he goes, yeah, it feels a little long. He just waited out. And then handed it back to you. He was right, though. Oh my god. I mean, it was a heavy sketch. Yeah. It was long. I get there. And sometimes there was a Frank in our. Maybe it was a Rosie Schuster. Rosie Schuster. 18 pages in the read through. Now, rate it. Who is that? Which one's the Frank? Oh, Frank. OK. I remember I had Frank in somehow in some sketch that was going to get on. I think it was like Good Morning Brooklyn or something. It was going to get on. Like it was just the vibe was there. And I had Frank in. No, it was Psychic Friends. It was the walking sketch. And Schneider goes, you got to switch out. No, you got to switch out, Frank. And you can't. And I go, no, this is funny because he's like the guy. And he goes, no, don't put Frank in your sketch. And I go, why not? He goes, follow me. And we walked out of the office around the corner down the hallway. And there's the framed photos. And it's when they were having the white sale with slaves with Belushi and Bill Murray. And then the third one is Frank. And they're just standing there like whatever. And Frank is like. Oh, yeah. Like all puffed up chest. He goes, that's why. Because he's overacting. That's why. Schneider's an old soul. Schneider is. Schneider will tell you what's on his mind. No, you're fucking rookie. What do you know? You don't know what you're doing. They're poisoning our water. Well, he can also note you in your own sketch. You know? No, he's great. Because he was one of the ones that got the pig sketches. So yeah, that was, I'm talking Frank. And like he would. Oh, man. He would, you know, if he's in it, he's also a writer. And he's also one of the producers that picks sketches. So he has a lot of control of your own sketch, which might that rub you wrong. Is the Game of Thrones of SNL. And partnering with someone, even if you go into the room and you go, I kind of have an idea. Be like your psychic walking and then let them start the ball rolling. Oh, that's great. That's great. So they get proprietary. So when Lauren is there, anyone walking psychic? They're involved. They've. Yeah. See, I didn't know any of that. Oh. Yeah. I think when Jay started, I don't know if I knew you. Did I know you ahead of time or is new you there? No. OK, so I think we all had trouble when we got there. Me, Rob, everybody. I had a lot because I couldn't quite, like this dope that was better than me, this guy, Dana. So when I got there. David's always there. When I got there. He was like my protégé. I was the longest feature player. Rob went first, Sandler went first, Farley. And they all went to cast. And so I stayed an extra year on the bench kind of. And I remember when I think you came on, it was like, kind of tough. And maybe I try to tell you. And at the beginning, in my recollection, you were like, you know, I know it's hard. I know how it is. But the truth was, you can't even be prepared. It's like, you know it and you get there and you go, well, my sketch was funny. What's going on? And then it just, that's exactly what happened to me. How did you get on? You start to go, how do you. And then after three weeks, like I gave my best sketch the first week and it almost got on. And then after that, it was a lot tougher because that was the one I worked on. I go, this has to work. And then another week comes by and another week. And if you're not getting stuff on, you start to lose your money. Well, let me ask both of you guys a question. I mean, the first year I kind of harvested or adapted stuff that worked for me in clubs a lot of the time. So I'm wondering what were your killer bits when you got it? And you too, Jay, like how you got the show. I mean, you're walking is right up there. Maybe. I'm more of a mimic. So I didn't have, like you have the, you're really great Dana at like your original characters. But I'm just doing an impression of a person I met kind of. It's a, it's a close, but it's still an original thing. Like I'm just mimicking. And I remember when Jim Downey said, you know, go to the guys, you know, go around to the other guys' offices and just do impressions. Let them know what you, and I was like, so offended. Like, I'm not going to be a door to door sale. Fucking clown. But that's exactly what I should have done. If I could have done it over again, I would have just walked into your office and been like, I wrote a list out of everyone that I did. Really? And just passed it all around. Yeah. My nurses. What did you, who, who, who were you doing at that point? Since mid 90s. Who'd you come in with? You've been in clubs for a few years. Like, Pesci. Nothing's hacky. Pesci's hard. Andrew McCarthy was that. Oh yeah. I think so. We did it. We did it. We did it. I love her, man. Oh yeah. We did it with Phil on Sassy when he had that talk show. Oh Sassy. We were just talking about Sassy. Oh yeah. That was Phil Harman. You see, that's funny. Like, if people, if it's not accurate for me, like that's just funny. I love her so much. I love her, man. It's just a fine, written, funny attitude. And then you just say that's Andrew McCarthy. Yeah. And it works because if you have one move, the eyes, the voice is close enough, you get your laugh. That's all you need really in those sketches. And I did a bunch of black carrot like Arsenio and Tracy, but he wasn't famous yet. Glad it was 1995. Cripple Pussy, stay worth. So you're doing Cripple Pussy. Yeah, that's why I got these wheelchair gloves, David Spade. And this was seeing him in the clubs. He wasn't on SNL. Yeah, I went to go see him at the improv. I went to go see him at the improv. And I walked into the improv and he's fist fighting the audience in the hallway before they redid it. And I go to help him. It was like 80 against one. And he's just like, yeah, I missed my daughter. God damn it. And then I go to help him in the fight. And he turns to punch me in the face. And his fist stops right at my face. And he stops and he goes, I'm not going to fuck with you, Jaymore, as you legendary. That was his way of saying, I almost just punched you in the face. I put a baby in you, Jay. Yeah, Jaymore got me boy pregnant. I like when Tracy does observational humor, but it's only observational to Tracy. He's on stage like Oxnard. Who else remembers finger fucking Portuguese girls on the anbo courts? You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. They hold white people with turquoise jewelry on. They hold earthy Santa Fe. They throw money, they just take them down to Oxnard. You know the Portuguese girls been giving up the pussy on their anbo courts? Well, Tracy, we're not going to have you back. Oh, OK. I thought you were talking so much. That's so funny. That's so fucking funny. Darrell, I have it tells me tells the story of Tracy like was Darrell's savior. Like Darrell was struggling and Tracy goes, we got to go give respect to the man. Like this is the streets, Darrell. So he's got to go. Like we have to have like our meeting with Lauren. Just let him know we're soldiers. Oh, OK. And so they wait and they wait like two hours. And they finally get in and Lauren's like, I haven't seen guys, hold on a second. Hello, Mick is like Mick Jacker calls. They're sitting in those big fucking chairs. Wait. And he's like one second. Hello, Mick. How's the tour going, man? And then they start talking and Dick Cheney's office calls. Dick Cheney, Jacker and then Cheney. They're just getting more emasculated. It's like eight minutes total. And then he goes, all right, thanks. And they go outside the office and Tracy looks at Darrell and goes, there ain't no eye rolling in that motherfucker, D. And that meant like we're in the big leagues. There ain't no eye rolling in that motherfucker, D. Yeah. So did you did you partner up with with Darrell a little bit, but two impressionists? We've been doing shows. Oh, really? Now, right? Yeah. Oh, good. Like just a night of impressions. Like he does 20 minutes. I do 20 minutes. Do you have any overlap? Is this the two of you? We shut down the Q&A last year because it's like, do the Q&A is like, do Schwarzenegger. Damn, it's like I don't do Q&A is are tough. Yeah. It's like to take all the variables out. And then we have a guy, Greg Baldwin, who's like the moderator. He's like the James Lipton. And then we do, you know, we just go back and forth, back and forth. We tell a couple of stories and then we'll do like speed around, which is mostly cartoons. That sounds great. That sounds like a great show. You like cartoons? Yeah. Who's your favorite muppet? Kermit. Yeah. I just I hold Kermit default. No, I like some other ones. Cookie Moss, who's the homeless guy? Are you guessing or like, who is your favorite muppet? Why aren't you guessing? I'm not a muppet guy. I'd be I'd be a ship. I'm not a muppet guy. Beaker. Beaker's tight. See? And his boss, Professor. Professor Honeydew. Is that the bald guy? Yeah, he had no eyes, but he had glasses. Muppets are killing you. I don't know about the guy. I'm old school. I like Bert. Oh, yeah, Bert and Ernie. What was the story with them? Everybody. Yeah, one came out. Bert, everybody thinks Bert's an asshole, but Ernie just wore him down and snapped. Bert's just runs a tight ship. Yeah. And Ernie was a Navy guy. Yeah, Ernie was kind of a fuck around. Bert's a total Navy guy. Make the bed nicer. Yeah. They have to be a little opposite to make it work. So going back to Dana's question. Yes. Yeah. I didn't really bring anything other than impressions in with me. But then I kept my impressions like a secret. And then I had resentments that nobody was doing. The dumbest thing you've ever done. Yeah. Which is again, I'm treated off. Because I mean, you did all these movies and I see you like an actor. It's interesting that you're a co-host. I'm sorry. I was just talking to. Oh. My co-host was asking you something. I was just saying you're more than an impressionist in your career. You know, sports commentator. That's not what I was going to say. Well, that's the thing with impressions too. When people go, how can we don't do impressions when you're on stage? It's not to me, it's not stand up. It's a whole different toolbox. Yeah. I feel like I'm kind of cheating. Like this isn't stand up. I'm just doing these fucking. Well, it used to be. I would get teased a lot in San Francisco like Bobby Slate. Yeah, yeah, do a funny voice, do a funny voice. You know, that's all you do. And then I walked into the Holy City's little club one night and he's doing one of the Bowrie Boys. That's like his big clothes. Bowrie Boys. Yeah, the Bowrie Boys. So. Finally. Going back. Yeah. It seems like it's a big advantage just to have impressions to go to, maybe not to Pendon, but to go to on that show. Only if people know that you have them. Well, didn't you just go around to office and go, hey, how about this? The guys saying they literally never found out you got this secret. No, they found out, like, you know, it would be like whatever movie was playing. Right. I would start quoting the movie because I just talk in movie quotes all the time. Anyway, so that's how I got Kitell on. And Kitell. Look, I understand you super fucking pissed. Jove. Harvey Kitell. I don't know what you think you know, but you're wrong. He's a good kid. Kitell, I never hear anyone do. Well, let's tell you, pay attention to the broadcast. We did it. You were in the sketch. No, I know. We did. Wow, SNL secret. What one was it? Where do you guys hide the cameras? We're not filming this stupid thing. That's why we couldn't afford it. We didn't have the right. Describing what you're doing is for stupid. No, my eye is fucked up. I was going to tell you when you came in. I don't know. I just, I woke up, my eye was red on the side, so it looks like shit. But I think it's not life-threatening. Did you have characters when you came in or? You know, we did the thing where you. Like what you guys are saying about your standup. Mine was just stories and stand up and punch lines and just talking. So I really wasn't loaded to go in there to go. I think it's a good idea to go into the offices and say, hey, guys, I can do this or hey, if you ever need something. But you have to. I'm wondering why does no one write for me, but no one even knows who I am. And they don't give a fuck. And they've got 10 guys that are great right there to pick from. So you almost have to go sell yourself, which is what we both didn't do. And I didn't have as much to offer. Like I was just like sort of sarcastic. That might have been what they picked up just around the office or talking at the read through table or at a rewrites. But you had some things that were useful like impressions and attitude. So I guess it would have been good for you to go to the smi go to Conan, go to those guys whoever was still around. Jack handy probably wouldn't have written that much for either of us because he was writing his own stuff that was almost didn't need people. Well, you want to have a reason to do the impression that's kind of organic. Those guys make a good. Right. Yeah. Rather than around your. Okay. To you know, it was funny, like the things that don't get on, like when you're just swinging for the fences, because you've had no sketches on for so long. I remember me and Steve's looked at her head Christopher walk in as a waiter at Fridays. And that was the whole sketch. Oh, is that you like you should have a dessert. It's Mount. Fudgeopolis. We would laugh like that. It's fucking hilarious. Table. It just takes a dump. Why? That's such a funny. It was funny, but it's just like what's what's what is the sketch? Yeah, what is it? Hey, I work here, right? I remember Andy Robin had a sketch. He wanted to go on Seinfeld as a writer. But when he was on a snowy sketch, we walk by each other in an office and they go, how you doing? He goes this week or something. They kept missing what they were saying. And that they did the wrong answer. You know what I mean? Like he misheard him or something or something dumb. But it was just walk by the whole sketch, I think. And then he submitted it probably five times. And that that is the hardest thing to do is if you're not getting on. And the second time you put a sketch in, I've done it, it's got a stink on it. No matter why I didn't get on the first time, even if the host it got cut after dress or it killed, but then it bumped with something. The second time just isn't as good. And it's just harder and harder to get something on. Did you re re submit things you were saying you did? Yes, I did friends network because it got it got. Why did it get how did it get cut? Jesus, it was first week with Charles Barkley and Nirvana when I did Barkley Barney. Oh, that's great. As the cold open, which was just panicked. I was like, Barkley, but like, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. And then I had to write it. And then and you were Barney the dinosaur. So no, no, because there was commercials of Charles Barkley playing basketball against Godzilla for a night at the time. So I was like, that's a great idea. I was like, oh, this is great. OK, I'm in. And then we shot it at Hunter College. It's like the next morning at like eight a.m. Oh, morning. And then when I get there, like, Al Franken's just got like video village and he's like, all right, he's got a shot list. Which in hindsight, thank God, because one of my I was like, you guys play basketball, you beat up the guy in the Barney suit. They had a stunt man in a Barney suit. Yeah. And I was like, it's a very unfair tug of war. Guy that's been there eight days. Al Franken, the guy that's going to be a senator. And and the new guy. Yeah. Yeah. And the big argument was he would he's he didn't. At one point, I had Barkley kneeling just basketballs out the window and he just knees Barney in the nuts. And Frank goes, no, we're not doing that. And he's like, you can't have Barney and you can't have Charles Barkley kneeling in Barney and the nuts. You can't. And that was like my only like thing where I dug in and I was like, this has to be. And we wound up doing it, but it was it was really. Was it in it? Yeah. Yeah, I got a lot. So the psychic friends network, it was Nirvana and Barkley. No, sorry, it was the second week with the Shannon Doherty. Yeah. Oof. And Cypress Hill. What do you mean? Oof. Well, I'll tell you. So I had. So the the concede of the sketch is Christopher Walken's the last guy you want getting inside your head and helping you with psychic issues. It's like, you know, I can help you with romance. I could be in your garage waiting for you when you get home. Sincerity. And so it's a really good tone you have. And then we had other like David was Christmas, you were a Christmas lover. Like, hey, I want to help you. It's all these celebrities that you don't want. You know, and then we got away to a phone and the phone doesn't ring because everybody's freaked out and he keeps going, why aren't you calling? And I had Shannon Doherty as Sean Young in the cat suit. Because the story at the time was that she showed up to Warner Brothers, dresses, cat woman, she wanted to part and she freaked everybody out. And then Shannon Doherty, like on Friday says, I'm not comfortable making fun of Sean Young. And it was like. Oh, no. Man, no, exactly. That's what I was saying. A sketch loses momentum for that. And now you have to resubmit it. Oh, I was fucking heated. And then so I was not on that show. I thought my life was over. And then it was week three, Errol Smith and Jeff Goldblum. And I was in the writer's room just just sulking, just being a fucking baby. And Lauren comes in and goes, how's the Christopher Walken sketch coming? And I said, I'm not going to do it this week. And he goes, I think you have guilt and momentum on your side. Oh, I was like, fucking to have a computer. Oh, yeah. I was writing on yellow legal pad. Yeah, looking for it. I didn't know where to hand it in. Like, I don't know where to hand it. Claire. Yeah, Claire. Claire went home at fucking 10. It's 3 a.m. She's trying to hand it to somebody. All the guys are hitting a button on their computer and the sketch goes to the magic sketch place. Oh, I didn't know. Oh, it's suck because you go in there. You first of all, you write a legal pad. I go home at three in the morning, finished writing it. I have to take a cab back from the other side to hand it into Claire and the mad men girls that are typing it. Yeah. And then I go back home and then I come back for a read through. So it wasn't like attachment send. There was no laptop. So it was fucking horrible. Remember, that's how it was for you, right? Yeah. And I didn't know. I knew nothing about writing a sketch. I didn't know if you're in the sketch. I don't know if I write David or do I write Crispin? Yeah. Like I just I still don't know. Basic low, the lowest comment. I'm not sure I know. At this point back then, did we put. Um, I just fucking did we put names of us? No, you put the name of a character. No, you put character. Yeah. Yeah. I remember, you know, I saw yesterday in Max's town. Number one, David Dell, member and writer for. Who would norm knocked them out cold. You remember that? I think he scored. I don't ever see norm being. No, I was about to say Dave was. Why not? I don't know. We can. I never saw. I was always. What? I don't say I was. He scored it with water. Right. But it was a cigarette thing. So norm would smoke after the no smoking. Like this is people don't understand. Like he used to be like you could smoke in buildings. It was like whatever. And then all of a sudden it was like, by the way, like you're not allowed to smoke in buildings anymore. So there was a grace period of people like, oh, that's right. I forgot. Or they didn't care. So norm was on the same where Farley got where I tackled Farley. He was on that couch smoking and Ian Maxon Graham, all six, 10 of them walks in with his little faggy yogurt. He always had like. You mean you mean get a festive yogurt? Happy. That was the name of it was happy gay yogurt. And. And he walks in with his yogurt and oats and norm smoking. And he had a plastic cup of water and he just looked at norm and he threw the water on norm and norm just stood up one punch out. Norm was a big guy. You don't really think of it. I mean, he was sort of a beanpole in a way in the 90s. He got it thicker. Big. Do you remember when you guys did the the crystal meth sketch? Like you were like Tony Robbins, the weight loss guy. It was I think it was you and Fred and it was ride the snake. Oh, yeah, ride the snake. You know, they show basically you get people hooked on mess to lose weight. And and those commercials were a little show, like an outline of a fat body. And it says, I get for six weeks and it goes in a little bit. This was like six hours. And skeleton. And so he's good. So they have this thing of Farley at a drive through window, a pre-filmed piece. And he's like, let me have 14 cheeseburgers, 14 apple pies, 22 french fries and three chocolate milkshakes. And the guy in the box goes, will that be all? And he goes, no, I'll also have. So we argued for two hours over what the back end of that order should be. Like he should just repeat the exact same order or like, no, make that diet Coke or no, give me three apple pies. And for two hours, you know, it just goes around and around and around. And Norm was in the corner of the room, like we did. I think it was 3 30 in the morning at this point. Norm goes, you know, you guys have Chris at that drive through window, you know, don't give me all these burgers, you know. And the guy in the box goes, hey, will that be all? And how about Chris says, yes. It's a great norm. That's an incredible norm. When they filmed it, Chris had like this look of incredible pride. The guy goes, will that be all? I remember it. It's on his elbow. He goes, yes. He was already working for him, but he had different habits at this point in his crystal meth crush. I mean, I think it's amazing. He could get a laugh. But like, norm with one syllable, we were just a pack of dogs hunting in the wrong direction. And Norm was like, yes. Simplified it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And we would go back and forth over many jokes like that, like how do you get out of the sketch? I and you, if you're the writer of the sketch or if it's your sketch, you do get to pick like you get a Downey throwing a joke in a smiagol, a franken. It's great. And you get to add, you're like when Rob did copy machine and have one's like staying, stinging, you know, everyone throwing anything and he you get the benefit of a room. Every sketch does, not just Rob's. Everyone. That's fun. Downey, I remember once it's like week three and he goes, you know, I got, I want to talk to you about comedy writing at some point. And I was like, oh, yeah. About what? Comedy writing? Comedy writing. I was like, great. And so I was like, hey, you got time. And he's like, no, not today. It'll be like down the line. Me and you were going to sit down. I want to talk to you about comedy writing. So it's like week, I don't know, 17. And he goes, Jay, what are you doing? Like, because when are we going to have that talk about comedy? So I was like, I'm ready. And he goes, come on in. Oh, in his office. And he goes, you know what the three funniest words in comedy are? I go, no, he goes, full blown AIDS. Full blown AIDS. And I go, yeah. He goes, yeah. All right. Thanks for coming by. He set me up for four months. And then he says, when are we going to have that talk? Full blown AIDS. We saw Downey this week. Really? And I haven't seen him in forever. I had dinner with him last night. Yeah. He talked about the Indian British war in 1740 for like an hour. Unbelievable. I love myself. This just in. Oh yeah. I just felt so fun to listen to him talk about American history. He'll go into a college library for hours and Yale or something. He's just, I love when he's turned up on sketches or like when Smigel would turn up on a sketch. I always feel like, oh. So many from the other side. Crack through. Crack through. It's hard to be a feature player. I think Odin Kirk and Conan were feature players and they never got a fair shake to be in, especially when I was there. It was the only time I saw Conan on camera was that Get Handsome sketch when Mike Myers was doing Get Handsome. Handsome plug load over. He was one of the guys in the audience like, I got handsome. Oh yeah. That was probably for a Alec Baldwin type host too. How about the amount of rewrites when they're not needed? Like Mike Myers would just hand in these perfect sketches and you just sit in a room for eight hours when guys would just dissect his sketch. It's going to work. It's just, it's just Mike. I know why are we doing it. It's perfect. If people at home don't know, the rewrites table would start at one on Thursday after read through. The read through is Wednesday. I mean, ideally. It starts around one. But usually roughly. And it goes to about 4 a.m. So you're there. That's a long haul. And every sketch gets about two hours or something. It just gets my mind off. What was the name of the restaurant you mentioned? Wall-E and Joseph. I remember. I went there. I felt like a big shot when you're like, come on, we're going to. Oh yeah. It's fun. Wall-E and Joseph. And I, but I always felt, because you came in with like Timmy and like you said, like Adam and Rob. And so you guys were kind of a group. And then when I came in, anytime I was with you guys, I felt like a freshman hanging out with seniors. You're in the conversation, but you're not real. But you weren't part of like the next group. You're sort of a tweener kind of, right? Yeah. Told me Sarah Norm and all the Harvard guys like Steve Lookner, Lou Morton, Dave Mandel, and then David Tell. There's so many Ivy League writers on SNL. I know. I know. Where'd you go to college? You know, no one's ever asked me that in my life. Really? Yeah. And ever. That's the first. I used to joke about it. Nobody's ever asked me, where'd you go to college? It's just implied. Only kids. You're mentioning the Harvard guys. But yeah, this is New Jersey Public School. San Francisco State, baby. Ninety-five bucks a semester. Yeah. Oh, it's just a joke. No, I was a straight D student because there's no curriculum for stand-up comedy. Right. And so it's just like, what is this? We're adding letters. Like, what the fuck are we talking about? Yeah. Then you go, but like. So you just got in the clubs right out of high school then. Yeah, I started at 16. Same as you. 16. I didn't start at 16. Oh, what did I say? You said 20. He said 60. You said 20. Yeah, you didn't let me finish. I have another question for you. Ready? By the way, when you look up research on you, it says, what Jay's favorite songs are. Really? Why? I think that was a Don Imas question. You got to give him your top five songs. All right, here, because it's out in the ether. What's the difference between what you could talk about your first marriage versus your recent marriage? I mean, being a mature, easier to be married later in life. Being a mature adult, getting married as opposed to being young. Lauren said something wise. Every man should have three marriages. Yeah. One in his 20s and 30s, one in his 40s and the third in his 50s when he knows what he really wants. And that's exactly how it went with me. How about three? Is it my three? Oh, OK. And Jeanne is the first. I'm not even going to say marriage because I don't want to put anybody on blast. But like the first woman I've ever been with that just wasn't like depressed. So it's like. Interesting. There's some. Rear and like her own like, oh, I'm going to go look at. I'm going to go. What did you say? I said, there's some blast. No, no. But I get it. But you're younger. I think you're bound on that. The one I knew was an actress seemed like great girl. And that I think everyone just changes in life. So you change, maybe she changes, maybe it's a great run. And then it just turns into something else where it doesn't work out. I was the first one. I just was never like in love. Yeah, just sort of that's how it goes. That's the progression of a relationship. Somebody, you know, when you're dating somebody and you're young and they go, why don't why don't we go steady and you're like, you know, because I'm from the fifties. Yeah. When do you to wear my sweater? My pin. When are you going to do this? When are we going to live together? And you're like, all right, we'll live together. I'm trying to call it quick. All right, we'll live together. Yeah, let's not, you know, cohabitase too long. I digress. And that is like great calling. When are we going to get all these out? He just did a brilliant call. When are we going to get engaged? When are we going to get married? And the proposal was like, there's your ring. Are you happy? Like that's actually how it went. Yeah. So that's not a good. So that how long? It's six years. And then I was on the show and she was in LA. So I was. Let me insert this. Did you ever hear Lauren say this? There's something about a man in his forties and a woman in her twenties. They're both at the peak of their power. Did he say that? It's almost Dr. Riva. That was almost Jimmy Stewart. Yeah, they're both at the peak of their power. And the other quote, have you heard this one? I said it on the podcast. Lauren again, marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into. You know, so that's Kris Jenner. Anyway. So the second marriage. But how do you know what you said? Because I was I'm embarrassed. And I was all fired up. I had Colin. Oh, well, I wanted to call out that you're just he's I said, throwing in these subtle impressions. So give us a little. Wait, let me get. I'll give you a quote. Oh, yeah. Marriage. Marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into. Oh, well, I don't I don't feel that way this time because I'm you got to understand. OK, all right, let's break it down. I've been as of today, I've been sober two years and six months. Oh, that's so I met Jeannie after my divorce where that a divorce is the biggest. Hole in your soul because you get married because you're certain it's an impossibility that you're going to get divorced. That's why you get married like, oh, this is it. This is great. And then when that starts, when the panels kind of start coming off the space shuttle, it's it gets you get nuts. Christy McAleef said the same thing. It feels to me like a marriage. The one thing a marriage can't can't survive is contempt. Yeah, either from either side. Well, if you were not, if you were if you were drinking or whatever. Well, what was your drive of choice? Were you this time it was Adderall? I went down. Oh, it helped me focus on getting more people. And did you? So then you started taking it just to feel okay. After the divorce, it was like, well, shit, like I want to I just wanted to like feel something. I've always been a drug addict and an alcoholic. It wasn't like this one event made me this thing. Like I was an alcoholic and drug addict when I was born. And long before I ever picked up a drink, I've always needed more than anybody else in every capacity. And yeah, it's just a genetic brain. Everybody else has this like plan for a living that I'm not aware of. And I always felt like on the outside looking in like if you and I were kids and I was at your house and we were on your couch watching TV, I would spend that entire time trying to convince you that we were having a good time on your couch watching TV. Like I was just needy, desperation has got a very distinct scent and I stunk. Well, yeah, that's what we all are having a fist fight in our head. Either a lot or a little, you know. So I quit drinking 1998 and then I use drugs. Alcoholically, I'm a big pill guy. I love pills. So it was like fiking in Norco. And then when I stopped that a couple of times and then Adderall is the one that brought down the beast. And so that the divorce didn't make me use. I chose to go back to using drugs. Like I felt like I was I like having a secret, like I'm getting away with something like yeah, so this is right when the pandemic was starting kind of before in the middle of the pandemic was fantastic. I was just snorting Adderall and I was paddle boarding and fishing for my paddle board. I was just insane. I lived in Malibu on the water and I would just snort rails of Adderall. Did it make you lose a tremendous amount of weight? Oh yeah, I went into treatment at like 160. I just was all I'll show you my before. You know Adderall is big. I was having lunch with people but only like a year ago and the guy goes, I wish I had my Adderall with me. I don't have one. And the waitress came and he goes, do you have an Adderall? And she goes, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, does everyone have Adderall? He's like, yeah. I know people just take a decent amount to and then write or do a project. Yeah. But but then add addictions a whole another. Well, it's hard to keep it in check. I'm sure. Yeah. So I met Jeannie at the very beginning where it was like manage. It was fun, fun with problems, then it's problems. So she met me at the fun and then it was fun with problems. She was, I had a radio show and I interviewed her over the phone. And I imagined that there was like a vibe there over the phone. I like, all right, joining us now is Jeannie Buss on the hotline. And then I went to the Twitter DM. I asked her to do my podcast and then I had left my house. I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel. And when I went to the elevators to go get her, when she walked out of the elevator, it was just I was done. Like it was slow motion. It was it was actually for me. It was love. So you talked to her on the phone or over in the radio and then you see her in person. And so the vibe is so strong, just instant. I mean, I think it was one sided. Like, you know, she was, I don't think she had love at first sight. But I like, I remember it was slow motion. I remember like there was a green elevator door in that palm tree car. I was like, whoa. And I just wanted to be with her all the time. And then she's a happy person is kind of what you alluded to. Like that's that's very well, I'm a happy person, too. Like that's but you were coming right off the addiction at that point. Yeah. And it was like this person, like, I don't know. It was just like it was a puzzle piece that had been missing from my big jigsaw puzzle my whole life, I felt. And then my drug addiction got really bad and she was at my intervention. Which was at my intervention being the worst surprise party you'll ever go to you like everybody you love is there. And you're like, hey, oh, no. And then I thought she did the intervention. So, you know, when you're angry, pack, you either never take your eyes off. You either don't look at them at all. Yeah. Or you never take your eyes off them. Angry packing. Yeah. So I was like, I was just angry packing for rehab. And I never took my eyes off a genie. And then I got to rehab and all I had was socks. Because I just knelt badly. Yeah. And then, you know, so she stuck with me. She stuck with you. That's a big deal. Like I was a mess. Like I was a mess. There's if the world was fair, like we definitely wouldn't be together. I would have lost that that prize. And we got married last week. It's eight days today. Any SNL people? No. They're gross. There's only 20 people. Yeah, I guess the odd. I think all of us need to pick the energy up a little bit. This is Jay. I'm losing my energy. NPR. No, you're talking about something nice. I'm trying to shut the fuck up for a second. It's hard. It's very hard. So now this marriage is like none other like the not nothing against the first two wives. No, I think it's like it's also like, you know, what's your last? Yeah. It's like I'm 53. And it's when you've when you've been so humbled and demoralized and you've come completely undone and then you've bricked by brick and stone by stone, built yourself back up into a human being that you've been meant to be the whole time. And that person's waiting for you at the end of that journey. I mean, that's who else would you want to spend the rest of your life? What's your coping mechanism is when you feel bad, if it's not at all? I'm a weird guy. Like I don't really meditate. Do you take a day? I don't really feel bad, though. I'm one of those weird, I'm wired, weird, like I'm for an addict. Usually it's a comic even like I just wake up kind of fired up. I always know I need to be up. Beasts. Yeah, I'm a happy dude. Yeah, like I've always been that way. But I don't know. It's just sometimes it's just all your hard drivers installed. I think so. It feels like it's a thermostat that you get at birth. Yeah. And my thermostat is positive. Cover Rolling Stone or something. I felt I was always in the certain range on a one to ten, maybe maybe six or seven. Not happy to go lucky, but it stayed kind of consistent. Yeah. And in addiction, it goes the other way, whereas it just becomes this mania. Like, yeah, also when I was in my addiction, I was diagnosed manic depressive. I was diagnosed bipolar. And then I work a program and I go through 12 steps for a program that might be anonymous. And then that became I now I have like this monotheism for all of my problems. Like every single problem in my life, it can be remedied by the program. So they're not no one suggesting medication or anything for. No, actually, I don't know if that was the end of the story that I forgot to put in is I had about a year and a half sober. I got off all my medication. And it was just it was a direct result of my drug addiction. It's like the old equalizers on a car stereo where you get them just right. And when you snort at her, all you just blast, you just blast them all up to ten across treble, bass, fader, this. And then when you come off them, boom, they come crashing back down. And then you just keep jamming them back and forth, back and forth. And it's just not an accurate. It's just not an accurate gauge of how you're actually feeling because you're either in mania or you're just completely panicked because you're going to run out of drugs. Damn. So Saturday Live is an emotionally violent place for anyone with mental health stuff. Or. But I was I'm. One of the best things I learned in recovery was that I'm I am the reason for all of my suffering, which thrilled me because if I'm the reason for my suffering, then I always have a solution. I can change how I'm looking at something or I can go be of service and help somebody else. And then just because if I'm pissed off, it's it's really just a perverse selfishness. Because if I'm pissed off, I'm only thinking about me. So as an alcohol, an active alcoholic on Saturday Night Live, it's, you know, what was me pour me, pour me, pour me a drink. So it's like I didn't get my I didn't get my sketch on like, well, this fucking boys. Well, yeah. And that's if I if I could do it again, if I to be I guess it's like the classic SNL lament. Oh, if I could be 53 in that 23 year old body and just be like, okay. I can do it. I get to watch Nirvana rehearse? I know. You didn't even think of how great we had it, like, see Nirvana and the cafeteria eating. I never felt like they owed me anything. Or even in stand-up, I remember I would talk to young comedians. Nirvana? They'd get all into the drama. Yeah, I was friends with them. Crystal was telling me. Into the drama of stand-up. I'm getting fucked, man. I should be middling by now. They put that guy getting all wound up in that. I think guys like you and me had a lot of success quickly. In stand-up. Like it was sort of, yeah. Don't you think so? Like you're... I had a lot of stage fright. Well, there were no comedy clubs when I started. Literally. I opened for bands. That's really key to enjoying the benefits of the program. Yeah. That'll set you back. Yeah. Just opening for bands and getting an highlighted stuff. Normal stuff. But once I got into a club, a real club, not a honky-tonk bar like the other cafe in the hate, I started to progress just because of the environment. Well, your talent, though, it's... You can't deny it. I think it's... Would you say that you rose quickly once you got into the right environment of clubs? I would say that as quickly as I can that I never was able to wrap my mind around like I'm one of those guys. Like I'm going to be on TV like Jerry Lewis or Jackie Lees or something. And so I did a lot of shitty television. Because I had no... They offered me Blue Thunder and I was in a helicopter, James Farentino, who was coked out and drinking straight vodka, by the way. And... What else did you do in a helicopter? Yeah, I know. So it... In retrospect, it seems like. I had a... I played the Morongo Casino and they... The Morongo. They sent the helicopter for me. Fuck yeah. And my pilot was Lorenzo Lamas. Shut the fudge, John. The actor? Yeah. At Van Nuys Airport, they're like, this is your pilot. We call him Lorenzo Lamas. And I was like, hi, yeah, he looks like him. And then we're like somewhere over like Ontario and it's a... I look at him, it says Lamas on his headset. To make... To grind it into you? Yeah, I was like... To make sure you ask him. Yeah, only on my side. I was only on my side. He has to switch it. And I wanted to ask him like, are you Lorenzo Lamas? But I didn't want to be that obvious. So I was like, hmm. So I was like, how much money are on... Do you think you've left on the table doing this? That was pretty smooth to ask him that, right? Is that what you said? Instead of saying like, are you... What did he say? And he goes, oh, of 95% of it? I'm like, okay, that's Lorenzo Lamas. Yeah. So he's a helicopter pilot. That's not a Uber driver. He just digs it. And then he stayed for... I said, come to the show and he's like, I'm not supposed to. I'm like, come on. So he stayed for the show and then we flew home and somewhere over like the desert, he goes, do you mind if we stop for gas? In the helicopter? Who says no to that? In the helicopter. I prefer, let's just ride it out. We got the L.A.S. What do you want, E? Before Jay goes, I have to tell him one more thing. Was I auditioned for Jerry McGuire? You did? Yeah. For your part. Really? Yeah. Bob Sugar. Interesting. So who got it? Anyway. You know, when we were auditioning... Is that Cameron Crow? Yes. Yeah. It was an offer to Owen Wilson because they had done Jim Brooks and Owen Wilson had already done Bottle Rocket together. So by the time that... I don't know about you, but hey, Owen. Hey, how's it going? When I do this part... When I do Owen Wilson, it sounds like Jennifer Coolidge. I mean, I try to do it, but my mouth gets too tight and I say, we take it up. I do him telling a toddler he can't have any more candy. Please, let me... I don't think you should have any more candy. I'm just doing Melissa. I love that guy. I do. He's the greatest. When I was a haunted mansion, I'm like, oh, he was on the screen. I'm like... Owen Wilson. I love this guy. Woody Harrelson, Matthew McConaughey. Yeah. Three Texas eccentrics. Put them in some movie Hollywood. I love those. Here's my Colin Quinn when I said his friend just moved in with his girlfriend. I go, did he like moving in with his girlfriend? He goes, what do you think? What do you think? Anyway. Before we leave, I don't know, this is a quick podcast. I got to tell you two spade stories that are fantastic. Oh, I love it. I went back to see the show and I was filming Picture Perfect with Jennifer Aniston and I see Davey in the hallway and he goes, how do you like working with Jenny? And I go, I'm not such a dick. I go, I don't know. She smokes cigarettes and he goes, let her down easy. Is that the most David joke ever? That is exactly how it went. And then he did that David thing when he goes, and then we were at a strip club and the dancer, I'm being generous, the dancer, the artist. The artist. You know, like when male bodybuilders, they can flex their pecs. Arnold used to do that. Yeah. So this girl would do it. And so she's dancing for David and she's going like doing the bodybuilder boop flex. And it's like, hey, two songs go by and she circles back around and she does it again. And David goes, seen it. She just she was like, she just humiliated her. You were like, seen it. Seen it. That's very David. Yeah. Got it. Minds me. We went out. We got a picture with what I hookers. OK. Thank you. We you have the best fucking stories. This is great. I know. Thank you for coming on, buddy. This is amazing. This is great. It's easy, right? You could do it on Zoom. I'm like, oh, I want to hang out. No, it's fun to come in here. We like when people come in. We do a lot of Zooms, trust me. A lot of Zooms. But we. Carcenio. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I understand that a crib is your house. A bed. I know I can't. The dog singer's dog love. Fucking wig. Carcenio. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. I'll show you something when we're done here. Oh, yeah. Because it's it's Farley and Harbin on the Carson episode. Was it or they domed Eloise and. Domed Eloise. Where they flip out. Did you ever see that? Yes. You always see it. Fucking funny. Do you remember when Far on the scared, straight, motivational speaker, we made an arrangement like when Farley falls through the wall of the prison, we were all going to run out. But then we all run out like escape. We're all going to fall on top of Chris. As a joke. So he can't come back in and say live from New York. Oh, that's funny. So Chris goes through the wall, me, you, Sandler, Schneider and Timmy fall on top of Chris. And he just lifts us up like leave bags. Like he didn't. He just peels us up. No, like not even a joke. Not even one second was. Was it just. All right from New York. And he had the line where him and Martin Lawrence are selling us back and forth for cigarettes because that's the prison thing. And partly we're supposed to go sold seven bitches to the homie in the corn roads. And it's said. So you're the camera. He goes sold seven bitches to the corn me in the homey. Just looks like a barrel looks in the camera. Oh, I love you, Chris. All right. All right. Thanks, boys. Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app. Give us review five star rating. And maybe you can share an episode that you've loved with a friend. 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