Kid Rock, RFK Jr. and the Tony Soprano of PORN (w. Boomer Banks)
82 min
•Mar 12, 2026about 1 month agoSummary
Brief Recess hosts adult film star and DJ Boomer Banks to discuss his career transition from porn to music, his experiences with racism in the adult entertainment industry, and broader topics including political theater, immigration law, and content creation in the digital age.
Insights
- Content creators in adult entertainment face significant racial discrimination and typecasting, with performers of color being pigeonholed into specific roles despite broader talents and capabilities
- The adult entertainment industry operates with formal contracts, production checklists, and business structures similar to mainstream media, challenging common misconceptions about the industry
- Sobriety and personal resilience are foundational to long-term success in high-stress creative industries, with mental health and self-care being critical but underreported challenges
- Multi-dimensional careers (porn + music + entrepreneurship) require distinct branding strategies and audience segmentation to avoid career cannibalization
- Digital platforms have democratized content creation but increased harassment and parasocial dynamics, with creators bearing emotional labor of accessibility
Trends
Shift from traditional adult entertainment production to creator-owned platforms (OnlyFans, custom sites) for greater autonomy and revenue controlIncreasing visibility of LGBTQ+ and POC creators in mainstream media, though systemic racism and discrimination persist in legacy industriesMental health and burnout discussions becoming normalized in creator economy conversations, particularly around content fatigue and seasonal depressionCross-industry skill application (business acumen, branding, music production) enabling career pivots and portfolio diversification among content creatorsHarassment and hate speech escalation targeting marginalized creators, correlating with political polarization and online disinhibition effectsMusic and DJing emerging as preferred creative outlets for adult performers seeking career legitimacy and artistic expression beyond adult contentParasocial relationships intensifying between creators and audiences, with fans expecting personal access and medical/mental health advice from entertainersRacial and ethnic diversity gaps in mainstream entertainment industries, with POC creators overrepresented in adult content but underrepresented in mainstream media
Topics
Adult Entertainment Industry Structure and LaborRacism and Discrimination in EntertainmentContent Creator Mental Health and BurnoutCareer Transitions and Portfolio DiversificationLGBTQ+ Identity and Queer RepresentationImmigration Law and Asylum PolicyPolitical Theater and Government AccountabilityOnline Harassment and Parasocial DynamicsMusic Production and DJing as Creative OutletSobriety and Recovery in Creative IndustriesBody Autonomy and Cosmetic SurgeryDigital Platform Economics and Creator RightsRacial Identity and Self-LoathingFan Interaction and Boundary SettingEntrepreneurship and Business Ownership
Companies
Falcon Studios
Major gay porn production company that signed Boomer Banks to exclusive contract after his first scene
Raging Salon
Alternative brand under Falcon Studios where Boomer Banks was placed as exclusive performer
Fleshjack
Adult toy company that created a male-focused product line featuring Boomer Banks' anatomy in toy form
Fleshlight
Adult toy manufacturer that expanded to male market (Fleshjack) with celebrity performer collaborations
OnlyFans
Creator platform that revolutionized adult content distribution by allowing direct creator-to-fan monetization
Twitter/X
Social media platform where adult creators face harassment, hate speech, and parasocial fan interactions
iHeart Radio
Podcast distribution platform hosting Brief Recess and Too Faced podcast series
Apple Podcasts
Podcast distribution platform for Brief Recess and Too Faced series
Exactly Right Media
Production company behind Brief Recess podcast, executive produced by Karen Kilgariff and others
Puff Co
Cannabis accessory brand that sent merchandise to Melissa Malbranche, which was gifted to frat boys
People
Boomer Banks
Guest discussing career in adult entertainment, transition to music, and experiences with racism in industry
Michael Foote
Co-host of Brief Recess podcast conducting interview and legal analysis
Melissa Malbranche
Co-host of Brief Recess podcast discussing immigration law, politics, and personal experiences
Steve Cruz
Porn director who signed Boomer Banks and served as mentor figure ('porn mom')
Nita Avianze
Legendary NYC DJ and mentor who taught Boomer Banks music production and DJing
Francois Agat
French porn star and fashion icon who influenced Boomer Banks' career aspirations
Robert Garcia
Friend of the pod who subpoenaed Pam Bondi regarding Epstein files
Pam Bondi
Subpoenaed regarding Epstein files; accused of refusing to acknowledge survivors in court
Kristi Noem
Subject of criticism for $220 million ad campaign budget and lack of fiscal responsibility
Donald Trump Jr.
Criticized for purchasing drone company stock immediately after Iran war announcement
RFK Jr.
Subject of criticism for bizarre music video with Kid Rock
Kid Rock
Collaborated with RFK Jr. on controversial music video criticized as strange and inappropriate
Megan McCain
Posted comparison of Kristi Noem's ad budget to major film production budgets
John McCain
Deceased father of Megan McCain, referenced as example of principled Republican leadership
Karen Kilgariff
Executive producer of Brief Recess podcast
CJ Ferroni
Producer of Brief Recess podcast
Quotes
"I am the James Gandolfini of porn. You just gave us our episode title."
Boomer Banks•Mid-episode
"The standard of beauty was not created for us. Right. The standard of beauty. I mean, you know, I was a little girl growing up and the standard of beauty was far faucet and I can do whatever I want. But I will never look like her."
Boomer Banks•Late-episode
"Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just trying to survive. I would like the opportunity to live, provide a certain standard of care for my family and myself."
Melissa Malbranche•Mid-episode immigration discussion
"Your name is going to get you in the door. Your music is going to keep you there."
Nita Avianze (quoted by Boomer Banks)•Music career discussion
"I am not going to be your gardener. Or I am not going to be this or that. I'm going to be on the cover of those DVDs."
Boomer Banks•Industry discrimination discussion
Full Transcript
This is Exactly Right. People who didn't do what John of God wanted them to do, they usually disappeared. John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer. But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear. From Exactly Right and Adonde Media, this is Too Faced, John of God. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote. I'm Melissa Malbranche. Today we're going to be talking about planking and how it foreshadows the collapse of society. We're going to talk about presidential theater, the RFK Kid Rock music video, how we made all the frat boys' days by giving them a dab rig, cathartic trash talk about Kristi Noem and Don Jr., and Pam Bondi. We're going to have an interview with prolific adult film star and musician Boomer Banks, and all of the tales from the dams. I'm going to answer your questions to stick around. Were you ever a smoker? Okay, sorry, mom's watching. No, you never smoked. No. In high school, like everybody. Me too. Yeah. Out by the dumpster. No, I just smoked. We went to like drive around in friends' cars. I used to steal my dad's cigarettes. Oh yeah, you told me that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad smoked Marbo Red Hard Pack, and then he moved over to the Soft Gold Pack. Yeah. It was better for you. Yeah, it is. You know, it gives a little, it's a nicer, it's a smoother. Okay. It's healthier. Which was really interesting about the smoking that I did, is that I did it because everybody else was. Sure. It wasn't like... You didn't even like it? Not that much. Yeah. I talked about this with Karen and Kelly, a Martha Kelly, when I was out in LA. Yeah. And we talked a lot about smoking, because it was like what we were doing back then. I mean, I feel like this generation is all vaping. It's not about cigarettes. I'm actually always really surprised when I see a young person smoking a cigarette. Yeah. Like, oh. Yeah. Oh wow. Oh, okay. Okay. Someone's keeping that alive, I guess. I think the boys from Heated Rivalry are smokers, and I see them like on my Instagram, on my feed. Do they really? I think so. Not to spread information, but misinformation, but I do feel like maybe at least one of them is. Interesting. But yeah, someone sent me like a through social media, they sent me a gift, and it was like all this smoking paraphernalia. Marijuana, though. It was like... Well, I think that's different. Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Right, that's very different. But it was like really complicated stuff, and I'm not that serious about marijuana. I'm not. Did they send you actual marijuana, or did they send you... No. Okay, no. Interstate commerce. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I got there. I got there. No, no, no. No, it was just like... It was like a bong, but it was like very modern looking, and then something else was like... It was like a metal thing for... I think people do like a wax or some sort of resin that they smoke, and I didn't... I'm really not that serious about it. Do you ever feel like we are running out of shit to do to ourselves? Do you know what I mean? We're running out of shit to do to ourselves. Yeah. We're running out of things to talk about. Remember? We're running out of different ways to like alter our appearance. We ran out of things to do when we started planking. Like 2009. That was when we were like, can't shut it down. Like that's a wrap. Planking the kids, it's over. That was it. Yeah. When I saw an Australian schoolgirl planking on a car, on a Toyota. Yeah. No. That was when we ran out of shit to do. Did you do it? No, I talked about it a lot though. So you never did it? No. I was too old. I wasn't going to plank in law school. No, no, no. I'm not going to do it. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. I also did not plank. I also seemed like a really weird and uncomfortable thing to do. Right? Yeah. Yeah. No one's buying. And you're going to rest your entire body. What do you do with your face when you're planking? Get in the comments if you've ever planked and let us know. Where'd you put your nose? Send us a picture. I need to see that. But let's not reintroduce that to people. Don't plank. It's fucking dumb. You look stupid. Let's get into a sidebar. How's your week been? What's happening? What's going on? What's the tea? What's happening in your life? I was excited that I was going to sort of like disengage from the news last week. Oh, how'd that go? Right as we're entering a war with Iran. Right. Oh, because of that, exactly. Oh, okay. I was like, I'm tired. Yeah. Right? I'm tired of a lot of things, but I am tired of like the incessant cruelty and the violence. Sure. And you know, it's almost always the people who have the most to lose who lose more. Yes. I'm tired. I have a therapist once say that the human brain has not evolved to a place where it can comprehend mass scale suffering at all times because that's what we're witnessing. Every time we look at our phone, every time we turn on the news, we're watching other people suffer at a grand scale. Our brains really aren't equipped to handle that at all times without break. And the other thing is, is that we now have more access to the violence so that now I'm seeing pictures, right? Yeah. I want to see like another beheaded child. Do you know what I'm saying? Because you can't unsee those things. And it's the kind of thing that I will think about later, you know what I mean? And maybe that's a good thing, right? Maybe it's good that I'm thinking about it. But like... I think it says something about your humanity if you're, if it's bothering you. Like I think that's important. Yeah. Because if I get to a place where I don't give a shit, that's a bigger... That's a more concerning. I think a lot of war reporters talk about this where they do end up getting so disassociated that they can't... But I also understand... Nothing bothers them anymore. That's a way to protect yourself, right? Sure, of course. If you're constantly seeing those things, then if you are constantly being upset about it... Your brain's protecting you from the imagery. 100%. Right. I saw something today that 95% of Google searches of the Epstein files have gone down since the war in Iran, like the distraction is working. Yeah. See. I'm not going to shut up about it. No, and we shouldn't. We shouldn't shut up about it. And you know, the other thing that I'm tired of, I'm tired of watching the presence of the United States be like... Just existing with weird rashes on his neck and hands. And the disgust is so overwhelming. Yes. Yeah. I'm tired of how crooked he is. Yeah. I'm tired of how disgusting he is to look at. I'm tired of how he's still pretending to be a president. He's giving a state of the union address as if everything's normal, as if his approval ratings aren't 29% or something ridiculous. But the reason he has to do that, right? Yeah. Because in order to... That's the part of the grift. Yes. Right? Is that I'm going to act like there's nothing going on. And on the contrary, I'm going to tell you my numbers have never been better. He loves me. We're doing a phenomenal job. This is incredible, really incredible. It's the speech that give you like right before layoffs at a company. They're like, our numbers are extraordinary. You have nothing to be worrying about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's just... We're all getting laid off from America. Yeah. But it's just like... From society. Christy Noem and like... Oh. What's his name? It's just too much. It's too much. Pete Exeth. Yeah. It's just... Who's the guy who did like one pull up? Like the head of defense for America. I think it was Pete Exeth. He did like one pull up. All right. You know what? Let's take a break. Let's get into your algorithm is showing because this is straight from your algorithm, I think. And it came up on mine too. This is the other thing that I'm sick and tired of, right? That weird ass video that RFK did with Kid Rock. That's the start of every gay porn. I'm sorry. Those Kid Rock and RFK... Speaking of gay porn. Today we have on... Yeah. It's on my mind. Yeah. I do. We got... Today we've got Boomer Banks on. We can talk to him about that. Yeah. We've got a gay porn star on the weekend. Let's ask him about RFK Jr. and that's honestly like a less weird intro to probably some of the gay porn that Boomer's been a part of. Yeah. I mean, the thing about it is like, okay, let's just for the sake of whatever, right? Let's assume that we think that RFK is doing a great job and we like him. Let's just say that. Is there any part of watching that video that makes people feel uncomfortable? Like, I feel like I'm looking at something that I shouldn't be seeing right now. What? What's going on? What? Someone airdropped me this in the airport. Yeah, right. And like, this feels like when I'm about to see something I don't wanna see. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then we'll do... It's what did I say? Newton's Law of Lost Physics. It's always the person you don't wanna see. Always. In the gym locker room, in the jokstrap at the jokstrap party. Yeah. Slinging and banging. It's always the kid rock looking motherfucker and the RFK looking dude. But yeah, I watched that for like, and I kept on going back to it because I was like, no. Not refer to your notes, show your work. Because I was like. Actually, we're just going to circle back to that. Yeah. If we could refer back to that. Why am I not seeing anybody echo how fucking weird it is? It's weird. It's so weird. Sometimes did like a breakdown of it. They were like, what is this? So what is it promoting? It's like something. Remember when the reporters would go on? Right. What was even the point? Some like reporters from the UK, BBC reporters went undercover in North Korea and like filmed the weird things that would happen in North Korea. It was like that. Like some of the strange footage that was like lost. And he got into an ice bath with his jeans on. I mean, I don't want to like. I don't want to like get into body shaming anyone. Oh, no, no, no. That's not what it is. It's not that. It's the behavior. That's weird. And also, I think I also don't know what the point was. What were you trying to show us? Right? Are you showing us maybe that RFK who is in good shape? Sure. Versus Kid Rock who is not in good shape. And maybe we're trying to get Kid Rock to anyway. What is the story we're trying to tell? What are we trying to tell here? Right? What was this like? Was there any words with the video? It was just a music video. Was there anything with your jeans on? It's like a never nude from Tobias Blues. And then you get out of the ice bath with your jeans on. There's nothing worse than a wet pair of jeans. I'm sorry. I've done a lot of drugs and alcohol in my life and I've never gotten in a bathtub with my jeans on. Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I feel like we've talked about this. I know. But like. My history of partying. And of course that people just drink a lot and do drugs. I never did. But I'm not saying that. You're fucking trophies in the mail. No, no, no, no, no. I don't mean that. Good for you. No, no, no, no, no. You have all your natural teeth. Yeah, I do. Nice. Must be nice. But no, I'm not saying it that way. I'm saying that it's really interesting. I was so uninterested in that. That's what I mean. Oh, that was the only thing I was interested in. Interesting. Yeah. I mean like there was, I mean I was in a small town. There was nothing else to do. If you were gay as shit. Like there's nothing else going on. There's no other gay people. Well, there are tons of gay people. You just didn't know. My only friend committed suicide. Oh, no. When I was like 15. Oh, that's awful. And it was like the only other gay person I knew. Yeah. Sorry, we're going like weird dark time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little trigger warning maybe. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, TW. But yeah, so it was like, what else am I going to fucking do? Let's hit the bottle. Yeah. When I was like younger. So that's why I was like smoking and drinking and experimenting with drugs. I guess I wasn't like addicted to drugs, which is good. Yeah. Yeah. Which is why I'm not triggered when people mail me all sorts of drug paraphernalia. That's so random. I was in the other. Nobody mails me shit. I would like something. There was so much. I could have given you some of these. I don't want that. Okay. Well, there were two bongs and the one bong looked like a coffee cup. It was like you flipped the straw up and that was the, I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. But I was like, I don't really smoke out of a bong. So I was like, there's this area in my apartment building where you leave things that you don't want anymore. Wait, is it gone? So I was taking it downstairs and it was on Saturday night because I went on Friday night. So Saturday night was the night of rest. Okay. We're a Christian house household. And so we get in the elevator and it's like a group of frat boys in the elevator. And I was like, oh, okay. Do you guys want this? And I was like, do you guys know what this is? And they're like, oh yeah, we know what that is. That's like a bong. And they took it and they're like taking it out of the packaging. They're like, are you sure you don't want this? It's like really expensive. And I was like, yeah, I'm good. Thank you. I learned how to roll a joint in 10th grade. That is how I'm smoking if I need to smoke. And they were, and so I hear them leaving the building and they're like, yo. And then they like yelled the name of the brand. They were like, it's this brand. Oh my God. Yeah, it's Puff Co. They were like, it's Puff Co. Did you? Oh my God, that guy gave it. It was so funny. I could hear them like leaving the building. Did the brand now is going to be upset with you that you gave away their thing? No, I think they were like, they just sent it. They were like, I don't think they were like, you must. No, no, not you must. You must go through like an ounce a week. Well, I feel like if somebody is sending you merch, they would like for you. I think they wanted me to like post about it. Correct. And now instead, you've given it to a bunch of frat boys. Michael is an ingrate. Me, however. You know what? I made those frat boys night. They're still talking about it. They're like, you did remember that bald guy in sweatpants who just like gave us this expensive. Oh, wait, what guy? You know the old guy? Yeah, you know that guy. He's like in his late thirties. Jason Statham. Who was it? It was that guy. Wait, oh my God. Wait, my algorithm? Okay. We're like talking about like dark stuff. I did have a PSA. I saw yesterday that there's a report that DHS and ICE are moving pregnant migrants to Texas so that they don't have to provide abortion care because in Texas, it's basically illegal to get an abortion. It's almost impossible, especially if you're at a detention center. And so there's been this like big expose that they are indeed doing this. And I thought it was an important opportunity to talk a bit about there is this term that came up in the report called a pregnant child that people have really are hung up on. Rightfully so. Sure, a pregnant child. Child. And they're usually survivors of sexual assault trigger warning. I think it's really important to talk about because I saw a lot of comments of people sending it to me asking me about child pregnancy, what that is, why that is, and to sort of like do a breakdown of that. So I think it's important to highlight that rape survivors are oftentimes not afforded abortion care in Texas. That's very real. That's like a women's issue. And it's this like awful crossover episode with what's happening in immigration in America right now because they're sort of like forcing these survivors of rape to carry out a pregnancy that oftentimes in my experience when I have migrants asking me for help as their lawyer and they're pregnant, they're fleeing a regime where sexual violence is sort of like a part of the culture or a part of the humanitarian crisis in that country. They're coming here for asylum relief to get away from that humanitarian crisis to a country that's supposed to be recognized as a place where we have basic human rights and especially women's rights and women's care. So I wanted to highlight that because I think I hear this a lot of like, well, why are they here? There's just like a lot of not understanding like why migrants are here, why there are so many migrants in America. And I will say that it's because our location is a place where people can access America and it's one of the places where we're supposed to have these rights in this care. And they get here and oftentimes they're held in a detention center that is in worse conditions than the country they're fleeing. So this sort of like misconception around, oh, well, why don't they just go home? Or they wanted to move here because they wanted to be a rapper in a music video. No, they're 13 and they were raped and they're now pregnant and they're coming here to get away from their family or they're a saline or... Just horrible conditions of, yeah. I had a client who is an adult now, who I was representing, and part of the military regime when they were growing up in their Central American country was that sexual violence against children was a part of a military strategy. So it was a way to keep people in line and a way to keep people afraid of the government. And it was documented and institutionalized in the government and military tactics. So I think what people are like, why do they want to come here or a judge will ask my client, what do you want to do when you're here? What's your dream job? And it's like, no, baby, we're literally just trying to survive. I'm trying to survive. Like it's not about the hope and the dream. I would like the opportunity to survive. I'd like the opportunity to live, provide a certain standard of care for my family and myself. Yeah. But that is exactly the kind of thing that I'm sick of. And I understand that I need to hear it, right? But sometimes I just need a break. And take that break, honey. Do you know what I'm saying? Let me tell you something because so many people contact me like, hey, I'm burning out, but I watch your videos because you give me hope and it's a little bit of insight, but I'm not anxious. It's not the doom scrolling. It's a little bit of a disruption from that. And you also provide... And I'm always like, take a break. Go to yoga. You also provide the information with some humor, right? Thank you. You do. I try. No, you... I try, but sometimes it gets really serious. We have to discuss this. No, no, no. I mean, you definitely also have your serious moments, but it's... I think that that's what makes it palatable for people, right? It's like, oh, this guy, he's obviously smart. You know what he's talking about, but he's also funny. I guess so uncomfortable with compliments. I'm sorry. It's not anything... It's not you. Thank you. It's hard for me to like... It's hard for me to... Complement's hard for a lot of people, but somebody said something to me once. They had said something to me and I was like, no, whatever. And they were like, you know what? That's actually really fucked up. Take the compliment. Because now you're making me feel bad, right? No, thank you. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that's what you're doing. But yeah, so when somebody gives you a compliment, just say thank you. I appreciate that. Okay. Let's take a break so I can not be so red. People who didn't do what John of God wanted them to do, they usually disappeared. John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer. But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear. From exactly right and a Donde Media, this is Too Faced, John of God. Listen on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you see the thing that Megan McCain posted where she said some of the movies that cost less than Kristi Noem's $220 million ad campaign budget where Oppenheimer, Barbie, Top Gun, Nazareth, dude and that? Miss, my father said, my father said. I can't keep Megan McCain. Where's she's going with anything? Where do you fall on the political spectrum, Megan McCain? Because now she's, what is she talking about Kristi Noem and how expensive the plane was? I mean, sure. I mean, sure. Yeah. All that is true. I guess conservatives are like budget hawks. Yeah. But also, I think she loves to talk about her father. My father did. My father. It's actually really frustrating. Does the parliament feel like, will you just let that man rest in peace? Please stop conjuring him up again. If I die, you have my permission to go on the book circuit just with, you know, weekend of Bernie's Me, whatever you have to do. Done. Dancing around with me on strings. Done. I got you. You've got my express permission here on the show to go for it. I will. You sell those tickets, baby. I will sell those tickets. But I think that her father is one of sort of the last Republicans that we had been used to. He was not like this new kind of Republican, right? Yes. He was kind of like, I remember he would just surprise people with his votes when he was the swing vote. Yeah. Who'd be like, ooh, yeah, exactly. Did something different actually and people would get really mad. I think somebody who, whether he'd agree with him or not, had a certain standard of ethics that he subscribed to. And because. Whether you agree with those ethics or not. Correct. Right. 100%. They were there. They existed. They were there. He had them. He had them. So, Republicans tended to be fiscally responsible. This is not. This is the actual opposite of that. What were the movies, CJ? It was Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer, Barbie, Top Gun, less than the plane. Top Gun, Maverick, Dune and the Batman. Girl, bye. She will be in prison at some point. I'm telling you right now. I certainly hope so. I certainly hope so. Get ready for the trial of, it's going to be, I'm going to watch that trial. And like I said, like he's going to throw these people under the bus. I mean, he already. How's the view of the undercarriage of the M15? It truly, that's what's going to happen because, I mean, how many skirmishes did she last? What was it? 37.2. 37.2 skirmishes she lasted. That's actually pretty good. I love that skirmish is a measurement. It's a measurement of time. I'm going to be about three skirmishes late. I'm running the marathon and how many skirmishes. So, insiders say Trump was angry when Kristi Noem revealed in testimony that Trump knew about the $220 million for ad campaigns. And this was so, how stupid, I'm actually insulted that she and her friends thought that we were stupid enough that we wouldn't find that her friend created an ad company nine days before the no bid contract was awarded. Two set ad company. To a friend that was so easily traceable back to Kristi, this frizzle on the magic school bus could have found that shit. There is no way that anyone was going to sneak that in. There were no shell companies. There were no Panama Papers. This wasn't. But I think that this is exactly what they do, right? They really think that the American people are stupid. I love the uneducated. They keep on, and that's what it is. The other thing that I find so fucking galling is that they all think that they're the ones, they're the clever ones. They're going to be the ones who get away with it. It's like the senator who thinks that he's not going to get caught propositioning somebody in a bathroom, right? Don Jr., the day after the Iran War, bought all this stock in a drone company. Like, come on. You have the same last name as the president. It's your, it's the same name. I hate every one night. This is what I'm saying. It's like, it's like not even, it's not even clever. Just sipping on dumb bitch juice. Like, freshly squeezed. Sip, sip. I hate it. And then the Epstein files are still in the news. Yep, they are. I hope they stay in there. Because I'm keeping them there. Yeah. Pam Bondi, our friend Robert Garcia, friend of the pod. Friend of the pod. Just subpoenaed Pam Bondi and will continue to fight for survivors, which we love to see a TV. Yeah. Especially subpoenaing Pam Bondi. Oh my God. It's the same woman. These are the things that keep me going. So like, keep up the work. Because you're so tired. But these, these things that I hear about, they energize me. No, I hear you. I just, but this is the same woman who there were some Epstein survivors sitting in back of her and the, when she was being, when she was testifying and they were like, will you turn around and look at these women? And she absolutely refused. She like pretended to take notes and stuff. Like I said, the cruelty and the stupidity is like overwhelming. Her paper is just like a doodle. It's just like a script. She's just writing her name. Or remember the X, the S that we used to do in the 90s, the like three lines, three lines and then connected. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody did that. Yeah. It's, it's that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. It is. I would love to see her in an orange jumpsuit too. I think Hollywood East is DC. It's really become just like an entertainment, movie making machine. Yeah. It's just so, it's so ridiculous. I think the internet, when we were all dunking on Christina O. last week when she got, she got God. That was some of the most beautiful memeography I've really seen in a long time. Not memeography. We got to bring back the national endowment of the arts to support the memeography that I saw last week on the internet because that was just beautiful chef's guesswork. It was, it was, couldn't happen to a nice person. That is a cautionary tale about fillers. Christine Oam, that's the other thing I want to say. Be careful, put down the pump because Christine Oam, how old is she? She's got to be early. She's like, no. No. Early 40s, 30s. I think Christine Oam is my age. Yeah. She's 54. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It is. It is. Again, and it's, forget how we feel about her, but it's sort of again, it's like this idea of when you do a medical intervention on your face, you don't know how your face is going to what? You don't know, you don't know how your face is going to react. So you're like a medical intervention, like it's a stint. Well, no, but I mean, like people are, that's what they're doing, right? Like these sort of like cosmetic intervention. Right. You're like interrupt what the Lord was working with and then with what Dr. Phamph is doing. And listen, I completely understand the desire. Like you look at your face and you're just like, I wonder if I just a little. But the problem is that you don't know how your face is going to react. And isn't it better? I don't know. I'm still thinking about it. Isn't it better to just sort of age and look like yourself than to sort of age? And now her face is like a roadmap. It's like all like, no, but it's not. I'm not even trying to be mean. Like I'm just saying, it's like Caroline, what's her name with her lip filler? The injections. The dots. The dots. The dots. Wouldn't you be better to have a slighter lip? It was like the cracker barrel to connect the dots on the kids menu. Yeah. On the lips. Remember that? Very bad. That's why. Only change your hair. I'm going to be taking and chewing her bundle next week to the pod. And I'm going to be a transformed. I'm going to be a different person. Are you really? No. Although I do. We talked about if I went to Turkey and just got like a full head, a hair. I don't even know. Came back ginger. Yeah. I don't even know if I'd be able to look at you right in the eye anymore. You would look so different. You don't know this about Melissa. She does that with anyone with hair. She won't look them in the eye. That's actually like my problem when somebody in front of me like does something to their face and I'm always like, like, I'm like, do I look or do I not look? My dad. You and I. Yeah. My dad, the biggest yenta in the world would see somebody. And say something. But like, but like, look at me and be like, me say, look, look, look, look, look. She looks good, guys. She looks good, guys. And I'm like, shut up, Joel. Yeah. But that's what happens when somebody's got something distracting on their face. You can read your face. It's terrible. You do not have a poker face. Not for that. I don't. Cause I'm just like. And then I do this thing where I feel like, okay, so I'm going to look at them for a beat of two and then I'm going to look away. Not the rhythm method. Because you. Not the counting. Not the rhythm method, Melissa. And we all know the rhythm doesn't work. It doesn't work as people are like, why is this accounting to herself? But like, it's just. I just got my forehead done. Because I feel like I have to like try and balance to like the normal eye contact with the not speaking of memeography. I saw Chris, Chris Jenner's facelift. Have you seen this? Someone put a meme out there that said they stepped on her back and yanked when they told her that they did her facelift. Cause she really does. Someone did a side by side. It was like 55 and 56 and she looks incredible. She looks so good. Kathy Griffin talked about how that doctor, she wouldn't say the name, but it's a million dollars now for that facelift because she looks so good. Everyone in LA is going to her. But here's the problem. Chris Jenner looks good. Who's to say that I'm going to look good if I have this? That's what I'm saying. You don't know what your face is going. What your personal face is going to do. Right. Did you ever do a divine corpse in art class? No, what is that? Okay. You fold a piece of paper up and each person draws a little part and then you. Where did you go to school? I went to, I went to an accredited boat that sank. That was my high school. I've never heard of that. Never heard of that. Never. We don't need to go into my education. Wait, what is it called? Divine corpse. You basically fold up a piece of paper and pass it around the room. Divine corpse is coming up as a Christian. Exquisite corpse. You said divine corpse. Very similar synonyms. No, for sure. But like. Bust off the thesaurus. But when I googled divine corpse, something else came up. So what is it called? Exquisite corpse. Yeah. What were we talking about? Oh, we were talking about plastic surgery. Oh, yeah. The surge. There was something plastic surgery on my feet as well. The ear hair removal. With wax? Turkish, the Turkish ear hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's so satisfying to me. It is. Because it looks like it really fucking hurts. I'm sure it does. The guys are always like. Any time you put hot wax on your skin and you yank the hair out. It's gonna hurt. Right? It's gonna hurt. I get waxed every four weeks. I've been doing it forever. It still fucking hurts. Can you watch your eyebrows? No, I thread my eyebrows. Is that? That's very painful. It hurts. It's very painful. And it's different from plucking how? I don't know. Okay. We're gonna research that and come right back. Yeah. Was there sexual chemistry energy from that RFK video that you saw? No. Were you feeling like? I was so overwhelmed with disgust. Shut down. There was no. Yeah. Yeah. That's just you feel like. Sorry. Something really gross. I've never felt drier in my life. It's just a little fucking word. It really brought you back to your sex ed class from the nun. Who's teaching you? We like this. Sister. Terace. Sister Terace. Yeah. I hate that I don't remember that so clearly. I would remember if I were taught sex ed from the nun. I would remember. My typing teacher was Sister Nancy and we hated her and we used to class. Sister Nancy. Sister Nancy. Did I say it funny? You said it like I am Ibo take. Oh really? You were like Sister Nancy. We used to call her Sister Shift bitch. Why? Because when you're typing shift. Oh shift. Yeah. Sister Shift bitch. She was horrible. You know how to type right though. Yeah. You know what type in our guests name on your work computer and see what comes up. I will not. Our guest today is a prolific gay porn star. Yep. Boomer Banks. I'm so excited. So am I. I met him at a party a couple weeks ago. We had a party at verse and it was really fun and he came. Okay. And he's a DJ now. All right. Okay. So. Transition for a new career. Shift bitch. Welcome back to Brie Free says I'm Michael Foote. Today we have the extraordinary prolific household name famous Catholic pastor Boomer Banks. Recovery. Also known. Recovery and Catholic. Aren't we all? Also known as an extraordinary adult performer entrepreneur entertainer DJ anything else comma anything else you want me to add. I could do a somersault. Yeah. Okay. We love that. Do that in some of the adult videos. No. That's a good opener. Yeah. Just I mean I'm just. I think that would hurt. That's what would hurt. That's what would hurt. That's what would hurt. That's what would hurt. And that's all you need to know. That's all you need to know. Well thank you so much for joining us. I thought it'd be fun to have you on. I want to talk about the adult entertainment industry, your experiences in it. Your life is just fascinating. It's a complete different like a from what you guys usually have on here. No. We have everyone. Well everyone. Yes. But yes. This is our first time really diving into this. But I think it's so interesting because I think the adult entertainment industry is opaque. A lot of people don't know what happens behind the scenes. They don't know that these are. These are contracts. Everybody watches it. Everybody watches it. Everybody watches it. I'm there for the art of course. No matter what they say to you. No matter what they say to you. And also they seem to think that we are healthcare professionals. Really? They ask the most craziest questions. Like if someone becomes HIV positive, they expect me to know something which I do and which is crazy. So to further that I did become a professional. Sure. With my sexual health because people would come and I didn't want people of color not to have. I won't ever give anybody. I am not a healthcare professional. Right. I will let them know. Hey, this is what I know, but you should ask your and that's great. But a lot of times in rural like Ohio, there is no queer doctor for them to go to. So you know, I give them a lot of advice. So you know, I give them some sort of guidance and that's all I could do. But it's very interesting how much they think we know they want to tell us things. That's interesting because like that is not at all what I would think. Like if I were sitting down. Well, a lot of us grew up very okay with our sexuality and well, I don't know about a lot of us, but there's a lot of people that are okay with sexuality and they don't need to center themselves in that sexual arena and be like, Oh, they know. Yes. Yeah. Do you think it's because people have watched you that they feel like they know you and therefore feel comfortable sharing something with you? Yeah. Everybody thinks they know me. Sure they do. I mean, I think that people often think that they know famous people. Like if you see a news anchor, that person comes into your house every day, your favorite television star. So if they're watching your movies, then they will feel like they know you. And I have an interesting relationship with that word famous and celebrity. I always talk to my therapist about it and it does even talking right now makes me uncomfortable. I get that at this like ginormous level, like I am known and it's, I mean, a lot of times it's very clear. One of the funniest things is you'll be at an airport and there'll be a man like pushing a baby car with his wife and he gets flushed and you're like, Oh, that man watches Gapour. Why are you so red, sir? Sir, excuse me, TSA. And I'll smile and they'll just not know what to do. But yes, it is, it is very interesting. But it's also interesting in a way that like a lot of people like do know, but they don't want to admit that they know. Right. They'll pretend like they don't know you or they've never seen your wife. Well, that's more of a gay thing for these gays to be like, Oh, what's your name? That's not because you're in a, they do that to me too. And then, and then they, I'll be like, Oh, they're already following me. Or they're in your DMs. They're already DM messages. Yeah. No, that's just gay people thinking. With very insane pictures. Yeah. Yeah. That's just gay people. That you could see the religion. Yeah. Okay. Our DMs are probably a little different. But some people will be asking me. Speaking of DMs really quickly. So I shared the other day that I was like, I was like, seized a little depression is real. Was it? Was it? Who was it? Was it Lindsey Graham? Lindsey Graham? Oh my God, please. No. And so, and then, but then I posted a picture of me and my dog and I was like, Oh, this is my cure for seasonal depression. And I just kept getting all these like gaping whole pictures. And I'm like, Oh, did it carry your seasonal depression? No, but it's like, I just was being vulnerable. But I was like, this is what I, and I posted, I was like, I guess this is what I signed out for. Yeah. Damn. No chill. But I literally just post some guys like, do you want to see the video of me? I just put a piece of soap up my butt and I was like, what are we doing? My body. The porcelain. Yeah. The porcelain. I hope it was an Irish spring. I don't think that would like burn. It would burn. It would happen. Yeah. I'd never use Irish spring. Your skin dries up instantly. Oh my God. You turn it to a. The soap scum from Irish spring. I just remember in college when I would hook up with a frack eye, the whole bathroom would smell like that Irish spring. An X body spray. No, well, also that. No, Irish spring layered with. With X body spray. Yeah. It's like a disgusting. But you can still smell their musk because they don't really clean themselves properly. No, they don't. No, they don't. It's always those used up boxer shorts that are crunchy. Oh my God. Crunchy. Crunchy. Oh no. Crunchy. You're like, what is this now moving like fabric? People, so it's just going back to your DMs and stuff, right? So what do you think is the desired result? Are they hoping that you will access to you, right? Access. Okay. Yeah. And it is, it is my fault. I allow a lot of it because I'm very open about my sexual health, about my sobriety. So many things that I do about how I advocate for trans and queer. Yeah. I identify as queer because to me what I realized, what actually porn helped me realize is that I don't really identify with the word gay because gay to me was gay white males. And it's become this whole thing. Like on Twitter, there's the LGB or they don't put the T or anything else. They don't put the rest of the... They don't? No. And I have done scenes with trans men. And they will, they're like, you're straight, you're doing straight porn with women. And I'm like, that is a man. Also, it's no fucking business to tell me what I am. Right. Yes. I mean, today, I have someone posted on the scene that I did with the trans man and they're like, girl. And I'm like, what are you doing? People in comments are wicked and wild. I can't... Oh, that's not even... I mean, that's... I feel bad for my trans brothers and sisters. And I just blocked now. I don't even engage no more. I'm very open about my HIV status as well. And people will tell me to die of AIDS. Sure. They just flat out die of AIDS. And it's almost like... Because I don't respond to them the way they want me to, Sean. And now with the internet, it's almost like if you want to engage with an audience or you want to be an accessible public figure who you want people to be able to come and ask you a question or you want to be supportive of your trans siblings in the queer community, it's almost like the cost of doing business nowadays that you have to be willing to see now. People are so emboldened to like... Well, they feel safe, don't they? Right? They're behind their keyboard and they feel that they could see what I'm doing. And there's someone in the White House that is allowing them... I see that all the time. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a dog whistle. Yeah. So now people are showing them their asses. Yeah. Even people in my... Well, and so to further, I left the proper adult industry three years ago. I didn't make a big announcement. I think it's weird when people are like, I am quitting porn. Cool. Great. Good for you. Like, when were you doing it? Yeah. Right. Sorry, we didn't know you started. How long were you in it before you left it? It was a good...over a decade. Okay. Like a solid decade. And they just...last...not this January, but the January before that they gave me Hall of Fame Award. And I'm only the second person of a color to ever win that award. And there's so many beautiful people of color in the gay porn industry. Do you...is there a lot of racism in the porn industry? So racism to me, I quite hate. Yes. Okay. There's a lot of prejudice. Okay. There's a lot of instilled prejudice that they think that because this is making money and it's just a bunch of Caucasians. Like when I started at the studio that I started at, they asked me to be exclusive right after my first scene. They're like the president called and I thought it was because I'm an ecstatic and every time someone calls, that's higher than me. I think I'm in trouble. And I was like, oh my God, what did I do already? Oh no, I'm in trouble. And they offered me exclusive contract to be exclusive for this company. It's one of the biggest gay porn companies. And I was like, what? And they're basically calling me a really good whore. Like they're like, you're really good at this. We should give you more money. And it's unusual to get that. It's very unusual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was my first scene. And I did it on my 33rd. It was 33 years old that day that I did that first scene on my Jesus year. What? My Jesus year I did porn. What was that? What was that? Why were they seeking you out like that? So I just, I've always been very comfortable with my sexuality. And it helped that I was doing a scene with someone from New York that I had known before. Maybe I don't know. I just like, even the director who I call my porn mom, Steve Cruz, he was just like, you're really good at this. I was like, how are you good at this? But it's not what you guys think. It's not like, Onlyfans Now has revolutionized everything. Like you could just like film and that's more genuine, I guess, than what was present. Because like literally they have a checklist. I was going to ask you. There's a checklist. They're like, we're going to do oral, but then we're going to jump and do this. And then we're going to go back to this. It's not in chronological order all the time. So it's not like, we're just going to film you guys have, you know, sex. So I was not ready for that. But I was, I guess, because they asked me to be exclusive. And I was like, hold on, we just went on one date. Like, yeah, right. But there was no one like me on their network. There wasn't. It was just Caucasian men. And even though they asked me to be exclusive for Raging Salon, which was the more like alternative brand that they had at Falcon. I was still browner than everyone else. And the first year I came in and I had told them because there was. So I also tell the story that I think actual porn stars like cease to exist with supermodels. Once there was complete access, like Twitter and, and, and, and, you know, Ted from Ohio can show his whole and put I'm a porn star. Because on Twitter, he's showing off. That's great. Ted, you could have that word. Right. I am not that right. Porn stars to me were like, unaccessible. Like, you know, I watched VHS porn. So there was a big box. Yeah, right. Yeah. If you don't know what VHS is, fuck off. Seriously. And so those guys were porn. It was, it was, God, I can't even think of names right now. But one of them was very queer and very open. His name was Francois Agat. And he's this French guy. And he has this tattoo, full head tattoo, like blacked in. And it's like a, like a hairline thing. And he's still beautiful to this day. Very popular. He did fashion. He was queer. Like he was queer. He wasn't gay. He was very, he sometimes you'd see him. That was a good you idolized. And that, and I, I knew that I embraced my femininity. I knew that I was versatile. A lot of things. But, you know, when I started, I was very pigeonholed into one thing. I was just atop. I was just this and I get why. That was like, that was based on your race. Anatomy. OK. Oh, OK. Anatomy. I was larger than probably anybody, not anybody, but a lot of people. OK. And what they didn't bargain for was this, a personality. A person. Like they didn't. And when I told them, like I know that you guys had Francois as exclusive before. If you guys do what you did for him, for me, they're like, oh, well, friends. So I did a lot. I was like, you do you. I will do me and literally paper magazine, the New Yorker timeout magazine, the New York Times. They all wrote about this porn guy that knew how to couture a gown because I moved to New York for fashion. And I was a nightlife. And like a lot of things, there was a lot of things happening. And so my first year, I came with guns of blaze in and I won't perform over the year in my first year. And it was like it was like, you know, the girl that wins best actress for first year and then you don't see her. Yes. It's not that you didn't see me after that. It was just like, oh, he already won. Like, then like they just kept hiring more white guys. Right. And I got and I started speaking up and they didn't like that. And I became the loud, aggressive person of color. Sure. And for a while, I was OK with that. Where was your sobriety during this whole journey? Like, I was already nine years clean and sober of everything. OK, when you started. When I started. So I made this decision as like I literally called my sponsor and I was like, hey, so and he's like, I'm surprised you haven't already done this. And I was like, excuse me. And he literally is a straight man at the time. Yeah, I have a gay sponsor now, but he was a straight man. And he's like, all the guys think you're sexy and straight people in recovery are so OK with their like saying stuff like that about other dudes. And I was like, who? What? Did you this really interesting to hear? Did you have a hard time accepting that is true? That somebody else could look at you and say, yes. Because today, Michael and I were talking and I gave him a compliment and he got squirmy. I gave him a compliment at a thing that we met and he gets squirmy. He got squirmy around compliments. Well, I mean, and I think I think a lot of people do. Yeah. So did you were you like, what is he talking about? Sexy how? Well, the reason I had a problem with the word sexy, I equated it to being feminine. So that was my interest issue with the word. Yeah, OK. But at that point, I was seeking out like the queerness that I didn't know I wanted and the femininity. And it's like this for me. OK. I people see me and I guess I'm masculine presenting, but I'm very OK in my skin of who I am. I didn't if you would have seen me as a kid, I was like, I was a I don't know if I could say that. I'm sure you can. I was I was I was such a and I was it wasn't so much that I was I cared because I wanted my family to love me and I wanted my friends to love me. But I actually looking back, I don't think I cared because I was so feminine. Like and I grew up with a single mother who was when she was sober, because she she actually passed away of alcoholism when I was 14. Oh, that's rough. And but she she was this like when she was sober, she was clamorous. I remember she used to wear this tube top black shimmery jumpsuit with red pumps and a red lip. And she had jet black hair. And I was like, that's my mom. Yeah, it is. But also she wasn't my mom. Like, yeah, she wasn't present ever, right? Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. Can I ask you after your mom passed away? Who did you grow up with? My mom had a brother who was probably the only family member that loved my mother. Like she was the youngest sister. But they all thought that it all she needed to do was go to she was they were Catholic. All she needed to do was go to church. And then she would and she'd be OK. She'd be OK. Right. Yeah. But we would go to church and she would be drinking vodka out of her purse. So I growing up seeing that I was like, you guys are crazy. Like she goes to church and drinks. It's not working, guys. So how am I going to get my mom back? Yeah. Or how am I going to get a mom period? So it's interesting. So, yeah, like I was already sober. Yeah. And I had made this decision and I have these people telling me you're sexy. But also when I would go on dates before and people would take off my pants and they'd be like, well, what's that? And I'd be like, what are you talking about? I'm never I've never been the person that walks in Dick first. You know, there's people in our, you know, gay world that you already know they have a big dick because they've told everybody they have big dick even before they walked inside the room. Yeah. And I just was never like that. So now because of poor people know. But before that, it just wasn't. And even now, people are always like, you don't seem to be that kind of like. I was going to ask you like, what's it like dating? Like, I know you're partner now, but were you single? When you like, what was it like? I never was the dator. I was always OK being by myself. OK. I think once I got sober and because I've had such. Yeah. Like relapse is not a part of my story. Yeah. And it is a part of a lot of people's story. I don't know why. Yeah. When I stopped, it was like, if I go back out, I'm going to die. Yeah. And survival to me has always been such like the foundation of who I am constantly waking up thinking like, how am I going to make it through today? Right. Has always been a thing. Even as I mean, I remember being five having to cook my own breakfast because my mother was nowhere to be found. My mother disappearing for like a month at a time sometimes. Like people are like, oh, who's going to pay the rent? And I'm like, I'm seven. Seven. Yeah. Like what do you want me to do? But I think it's interesting because I oftentimes hear from people who then have incredible business success, right? Like if I think of like the splashy, sexy side of your industry, if we extract that and just talk about your success as a business person is really impressive, really. Like truly, like you have your own company now. Yeah. You retired from the industry on a high note, which. And I started that because I still was good. That's why I never said like I'm not I'm retiring from born because I knew that I still was going to dabble. Yeah. And even in my exception speech for the Hall of Fame Award, I was like, you haven't seen the last of me. Yeah. And and then a foreskin mafia.com came out and it's been less than a year. It's almost going to be year actually in May. And it's it's you know, it's a new company. So yeah, but it's it's technically it's technically just like my personal only fans so that I don't have to go through only fans. Right. So and it's it's building, it's building and and people love it. People who subscribe don't have issues. And it's not just guys, it's my I I didn't want to call it boomer banks.com because I wanted to use that for my music. OK, because DJing has been taking a front seat of everything. And I know we're talking about porn and it's always going to be interesting to talk about. And I I don't mind talking about it. But music is definitely the love of my life right now. And along with my dog and my partner. Victory. So yeah, but music is so important to me. And I didn't realize how important it was. And it took losing a friend to addiction to realize how important music was and how it was very it soothed any sort of it helped the depression. Yeah. Yeah. When did you decide that music was going to take the front seat? At what point? Because you tell us what you three years ago, my best friend accidentally overdosed. It was a fentanyl overdose. And we used to share music every Friday. OK. And of very legendary DJ named Nita Avianze, who lives in New York. They have a DJ collective called the Care Nation. And they're huge in the scene here in New York. And I've been really close with them. The first time I go to dance, they were DJ. So I was just talking to them. They're like, you love music. Like, why don't you come to the studio? Yeah. Yeah. You sit behind me. You stand behind me at the booth all the time. If you haven't learned something by now, like, what were you doing? Yeah, right. And and I have and it's ever growing. Like I I you can't fake. Like you can learn all the knobs and everything and the technical part of everything. But you can't fake taste when it comes to music, especially the queers here in New York City. Or just people in general with music. Like if you're not creating a vibe, they don't care. No one's going to care. You know, and the music is there's so many. Everyone, every queen in Bushwick is trying to do their own DJ party. The first Monday. Yeah, right, right, right. Full moon. There's we went to I went to one this. Weekend. Where'd you go? I went to come on everybody. OK, there was happening there. The very party. Very party. OK. And I was like, I don't like this. And we went next door. We went five minutes down the road to a different one. To a different one. Would you like a vibe? Well, the vibe was just pots and pans. OK, so it was like circuit music. I don't want this. Yeah, it's a competitive market in New York. Yeah, it is very competitive because there are really good DJs. But you've broken through. I mean, I've seen some of your shows and I've I've seen. But I still have a lot to learn. And I knew that it was going to be a hard sell because I also people. They love to love me when they're talking about porn or whatever. But it's like that whole thing like you're not you're not going to introduce to your mom to a porn star. Like some people have and they moms love me. Mom's a fan. But you're also not doing porn when you meet the mom, right? Like that's like. But and a lot of the moms, like they're they they're so intrigued that like there's this multi dimensional human and they're like, oh, wow, they take off his clothes. Mm hmm. But he also can hold a conversation. Sure. He's eloquent and he's brown. Yeah. And yeah, all those things can exist at the same time. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like the parallels between like the music industry and the porn industry are very real. Like right, we're talking about like creator based content creation. Right. And and and also there's so much in the ones that have like the porn people that have tried to do music have failed. Like and and so when I started, they're like, oh, a porn. Another. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get that. Yeah. But my my mentor, Nidaveon, says like, your name is going to get you in the door. Your music is going to keep you there. Right. And it's everything else, right? Like and it's a business mind, right? Like this is an industry that you're a part of the music industry. So being able to apply that sort of business mind, that entrepreneur spirit. I think that's really interesting. And that's like such a cool story to sort of follow, right? Because you talk. And so when you said bring props, I I did. And I forgot to I left it in the backpack. But so what I keep forgetting is that I have done these pretty major things. So there's this. I'm sure you guys are familiar. And I'm sure some of the guys here are familiar with flesh light. It's a toy that you insert yourself into. And I Google that. It's mainly women and there's a lot of beautiful women. I've met a lot of them and a lot of them are amazing. And I'm really good friends with a lot of them. And then they created a men's side and it's called flesh jack. And it's apparently was a very prestigious thing to have a toy collection with them. I told Michael, I was like, I'm Mr. Potato Head. I have my butt. Yeah, I have my butt. I have my penis and I also have my lips. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, that's really a quick shot. Yeah, that's my mouth. That's the triple threat. People talk about right here. We're very close to Broadway right now. So when people tell me to go fuck myself, I can't. Yeah, you can. I literally can't. You can really follow through with that. I can follow through. People tell me to go fuck myself all the time. I mean. Sure they will. Not part of my career hasn't taken off yet. I mean, there's still time. And I told you for anything you want to I told you to bring anything you want to promote. But so but I make money off of that. And I've been so this season of depression. It was the three year anniversary. It was his birthday recently. And the beginning of February. A lot happens. I'm about to move in with my partner like so much. And I and it doesn't make me feel sexy. And a lot of people don't talk about that. Right. Yeah. These these content creators don't come on podcast and talk about how sometimes they don't feel sexy. What do you do when you don't feel sexy? Yeah, you've got to go for it. Me, I literally have not posted anything on my Twitter. Yeah, because you're just not feeling. And I'm thinking and every single every week I'm like, it's Monday, I'm going to be sexy this week. And then Monday hits and you're like, I have to wake up at eight. I have to go here. I have a podcast to do today. It's the same for people. Not in the old days. You know, I think I'll say this as a woman who's, you know, a woman of a certain age. But there is something about that. And I've been talking about this a lot. Like I've been looking at my face and recognizing that I'm getting older and and and not feeling the way that I think I should feel. Do you know what I'm saying? Skin, though. Thank you. But you know what I'm I know what you're saying. Do you know what I mean? People tell me yesterday they're like, your skin is skinning. And I was like, it's fierce. It looks really good. It looks really good. So like it's not it's it's it's for me. It's honestly it's the aging. You do you know what I'm saying? And yesterday I was not to keep bringing it down. But yesterday I went to a wake of a friend who just passed away and he was only in his early fifties. Wow. And you start seeing your mortality. Like you're like, I'm only like less than 10 years away from this. Like can I die? Obviously, yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But I have so much. More. I my life didn't start till I moved to New York City. I was so in love with the city. OK. Like I I have never been more happy in my life. I I was born in Mexico. So and I was brought here when I was a year old and. Right off the bat in Mexico and you know, more than anybody in in Southern California, the races are all divided. Yes. And they all are prejudiced against each other. Mm hmm. The Mexicans hate the Asians. Asians hate the people, you know, black people, black people hate Mexicans. Like growing up. Yeah. It was just this vicious circle. And it's society that puts us against each other. Yes. 100 percent. Because you keep each other down. Yeah. So white people can ascend. I mean, that's that's how colonialism works. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's how divide and conquer. Right. And so it oftentimes. But I wanted like I literally would like I wanted to be everything else other than who I was. I think I had a lot to do with also me being an addict. But like I would I think one year I was half black. One year I was all Puerto Rican. Like I was never just Mexican because everybody hated Mexicans in Southern California. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's self loathing runs deep sometimes. Self loathing is a killer. Self loathing. And it took me into my like doing porn, being in therapy. Right. To realize because I remember having a conversation with my therapist about what I thought the standard of beauty was. And I'm describing somebody that looks like him. Sure. What the fuck. Yeah. But that's but you know what? When the world is literally I have half a million followers. Yeah. Because of the way that I look. Yeah. Yes. But that is the standard of beauty was not created for us. Right. The standard of beauty. I mean, you know, I was a little girl growing up and the standard of beauty was far faucet and I can do whatever I want. But I will never look like her. Do you know what I'm saying? So like you grow up. I've been watching how to get away with murders. That was called. Yeah. And they're constantly blowing out their hair. Oh, don't get me started. The hair. The hair. The. And then they just saw the episode where it was scandal and it was Olivia Pope and. OK, I forgot. And I'm by old Davis and they both have their hair like just blown out. Yeah. And I was like, you guys have beautiful. That is. But that is especially if you're thinking about, you know, Olivia Pope and whoever by old Davis played that they were women in business. They were lawyers and they were in front of people. And so in order to make yourself more, I keep on saying this palatable, right? You have to do everything that you can do to assimilate as much as. A similar. And when you do, then you're called the things. And it's just like. And the other thing about it is, like I said, I can do whatever I want to assimilate at the end of the day. Yeah. This is a black woman. Well, and people would be like, because these companies would put me to work with other white men and they're like, oh, he only works with white men. And I'm like, no, I'm the person of color. Right. Right. I am in this scene as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like are we forgetting that I am in this scene? I wonder, like when you were still performing, do you and I still do, but not for the company's. Oh, OK. But do you feel like you were like something to check off? Right. We need like. So I made sure. OK. That was the one thing that I was like, I am not going to be your gardener. Or I am not going to be this or that. I'm going to be on the cover of those DVDs at the time. You don't know what the DVD is. And and I was I was on many covers. I they made movies surrounding me that weren't like. Just like where? Where I'm like, yeah, I mean, like the gang member. All that. You know what I mean? It just it was always me, like even when they did, they did a movie called Forrest Ginnemoffio for me. And I wore like. I'm just I'm just a wins and like I was able to dress up like the way I wanted to dress up. Like I hear Forrest Ginnemoffio and I just think the sopranos. Yes. And I like they imagine James Gandolfini. James Gandolfini. I am the James Gandolfini of porn. You just gave us our episode title. We're the air. Right. James Gandolfini. No, but you know, to the studio. I was listening to Jennifer Lawrence do the podcast with Amy Poehler. Yes. Yeah. And I turned to my partner. I was like, I think I'm the Jennifer Lawrence of porn because like I'm so open. And you just say everything. Everything. Like people ask about whatever. And I'm like, yeah, this is what's happening. And she's very that. She's like, oh, and then people are always surprised that she's just like herself. Yeah. Yeah. Like and she'll and she does go like down the street to go get coffee for herself. I mean, I'm not as big as Jennifer Lawrence. But like, you know, I do things for people. I was like, oh, I can't believe you're here. Like, yeah, where am I supposed to be? What other fan interactions can you tell us about? Fan interactions that stand out. I mean, just that the funniest ones are like the dad, the dad. The twins pushing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that's the that's that's the funniest to me. But I mean. Yeah. And and and now people feel like, oh, I love your work. And I'm like, oh, you listen to my music. Yeah. And then they're like, oh, you do music. Where can people listen to music? Like I want you to put a sound cloud. Yeah. Yeah. Boomer banks on SoundCloud. Yeah. Yeah. So the music is always going to be Boomer Banks. I worked really hard for that name. Sure. I worked really hard for that name. And long career before your music. Right. And but it's yeah, it's so much has happened and I'm just grateful that. The relevancy is still a thing and I want to feel sexy. Sure. I'm sure you feel, you know, sure. And but you look like. Thank you. Clothes to me is so much fun. And I don't I have so much clothes that I need to start wearing my beautiful stuff. Yeah. I have. And I'm so great for moving in with a person who is like a lot more organized than me. Yeah. So that's going to be very helpful. I have so many beautiful clothes and shoes that I've like bought and like it's very helpful. But of course, my kind of sexy and being online is a little more provocative. And I just, you know, if anybody out there can be helpful because these guys, these other you try to talk to them about stuff like that. They don't want to talk about feelings. They don't want to talk about, you know, well, it doesn't make good content. Well, I imagine we're in the the gay club and Boomer and I are just having a sit down heart to heart about our family. But that's me. All the people always do that. People will come up to me like, meanwhile, everyone around us is like to see what that is. Yeah, everyone. Well, me and you were having a conversation about something. Yeah. And literally when we were leaving, my partner is like, Hey, it's this guy's birthday and he wants to meet you for his birthday. So it was happening when I met. Oh, it's happening. It was happening when I met you and and people are always real surprised that I'm OK. Say hi, because they see the tattoos and they're like, you know, yeah. How do you and if it's OK, if you don't have a way to feel sexy or get out of your funk? Because I feel that way. Talking about it. We all feel that way. I am talking about it because the more I talk about it, that gives it gives the the power. It takes the power away from whatever it is that I think I'm going through. Yeah. But I get I used to get the word and I don't like when people tell me that I'm intimidating. I find that very of very much a dog whistle for a person of color. Yeah. Maybe you're intimidated, which is different. Yeah. And that's not your problem. It's not my problem. Right. Yeah. But people say that a lot and it's like. But then when they get to know me, they're like, oh, you're actually nice. I'm like, well, actually. Yeah. I mean, now I don't know if I want to be nice. I think that sometimes people think that I'm going to like bitch them out or that I'm like a mean lawyer or that I'm like going to or that I'm like too busy to chat with them or whatever. I've never met a mean lawyer. I see them on TV. Oh, I've definitely met some. I've worked with some mean lawyers. Yeah. They're so angry. They're angry. They're bitter. They're tired. What kind of lawyers are they? For me, it was litigation. OK. Anyway, where can the girls find you? You can work in. Go they can go to. So SoundCloud is Boomer Banks. SoundCloud is Boomer Banks. Instagram is always going to be bacon lover. It's bacon LVR, which I use. I started literally when Instagram started, I was like, what's my name going to be? And I was like, oh, bacon lover. But for me, it was like bringing home the bacon. Yeah. Money. That was so hard to explain. Some people are like, you like bacon? I was like, sure. People are showing up to your shows, handing you a pack of bacon. Are they serious? I have to throw away so much stuff that people like. Oh, my God. And I don't want to throw it away. I have this cute little piggy bank that someone gave me. It's Boomer on the side. And I just look at it and I was like, I don't want to throw that away. The people would always bring me bacon stuff. The bacon to the guy. All the time or actual bacon. Someone brought me candied bacon once. Yeah. Mine is pile of cash lover at all platforms. If you want to bring me anything. Mine is just my Venmo. Just my Venmo at. But yeah, and it's and I still call it Twitter. Do you guys call it X? I call it Twitter. Who calls it X? I'll go back and forth between Twitter X. I think I call it X if someone's like it's X. I go, OK, it's X. Yeah, Twitter, it's Boomer underscore banks. Because someone took Boomer banks like what? Who does that? Cyber squatting. Yeah. Well, someone had Boomer banks dot com forever. And I guess they let it go. And my business partner was like, Boomer banks is available. And I was like, oh, by it for me. Yeah, by it for me. I want to use it for my music. And that's why we named the website for skin mafia.com. It's funny. It's cheeky. Very funny. It's not just people with four skin. That word is so polarizing, though. And we're skin for skin. For skin. Is it? Is it? I don't know. Do you think so? No. OK. It's the body part, right? It is a body part. Yeah. My house growing up. A lot of people don't have that body part no more. That's right. My house, we grew up calling everything by like the proper term. That was like the role. Oh, really? Yeah. There was no vagina. Yep. It was vagina penis. Like there was no. What? But now penis is like a really like the gooners. They love using that word. Dude just laughed. Wow. Someone's a gooner. Represent the goon in community. Yeah. Wow. They use the word penis. They use a lot of proper anatomical term. The gooners are appropriating the human anatomy. Do you know what a gooner is? I do not. OK. Really quick. You know, lay it on me. It is this, not new. It's always been a thing, but now it's bigger. And these, I think it's just a way of doing content without having to interact with someone else and they can make money. OK. And they'll just go on there and it's this face that they make and they start drooling. It's like people who are addicted to masturbating. Masturbating. So they masturbate and they get close to masturbating and you get that like face. Yeah. And then you stop. And then you stop. And you stop. It's become this like highly dramatized. But then they talk, they're very verbal. Yeah. So they talk about their penis. OK. And they like over enunciate. That seems like such an exercise in frustration. In a very interesting way. And I don't want to go there because then I'll sound like I'm gooning. On your pa. Brief recess. And it's like. Brief recess to goon. And I'm going to Google Gooner. You're going to go on this. Yeah. Rabbit hole. Rabbit hole. I'm OK with it. Let the work. No, no, no. The work computer. No, not the work computer. Not the work computer. No, not the work computer. Not the work computer. But yeah. And so. And then I also have the toys on. Flashshack. And you can buy the toys. You can buy the toys. And that's on ForSkinMafia.com. No, the toys are on fleshlight.com. Flushlight.com. Flushlight. Or fleshjack.com. Flushjack. Yeah, fleshjack. And that's your Mr. Patino. Your whole anatomy. My whole anatomy is available. That was such a weird way to use the word hole. I'm sorry. That's not what I meant. That's not what I meant. Yes, it is. I do want to ask you really quick. What's it like? How do you make them? I'm curious how the little sizes are made. So I was literally in the group of last people that used molding. Actual molding. Now they do. Like a 3D picture. And mine is. A 3D wiener. So it's not a 3D printer. They literally like use, you know that green stuff they put in your mouth to mold your teeth? Yes. They use that. So they put it in a big old thing and you insert your penis in there. Like plaster. Fully hard, yeah. Wow. And then mine is literally identical. Like there's a side by side. And but like the new guys, it looks bigger because it was like they do the little dots, the little, I don't know what it's called now. I know. Computer image of their penis. Wow. Well, it's a great gift. I mean, we have Easter coming up. Easter baskets, Mother's Day, Father's Day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, eggs. Grandpa's retirement party. I mean, you don't know. A, but I. And this is like last night. I don't know. Where was I yesterday? Someone's like, I have your dildo. And I was like, cool. Church. Is that church? No, I was like. You're a priest. Anyway, thank you for coming. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for being here. It was great having you. Thank you for having me. Be sure to check out Boomer Banks on SoundCloud. Yes. And we're looking forward to seeing you on our next segment, Tales from the DMs. No, that's actually the segment. No, that's the segment. Yeah, for sure. It's going to be my DMs, not Boomer's. I think they're going to show those. We'll get in trouble. We're going to jump right into Tales from the DMs. I thought it would be fun to answer some of your questions. We actually have some reviews that CJ pulled together. Melissa, do you want to read some of the reviews? I do. Let's see. Oh, OK. This is the Jenny Jones story when we did the gay panic defense. The way I felt my age realizing you had to describe 90s talk shows to people to set up a Jenny Jones story, it really was a time. I was there. It was a time capsule. I lived it. I lived it. I lived it. No, you didn't really live it. Yeah, I lived it. When you get milk and cookies, you were like. I was staying homesick from school to watch. And and Plinko. No, I was older. I was in high school. Yeah. Let's see. Oh, this is actually really funny. The art theft episode. What a treat to listen to this show after a steady night marriage diet of horrific news. I feel almost clean now. Thanks. That good clean feeling. That good clean. That squeaky clean feeling. Irish spring feeling. That is the worst fucking soap. Run me. When I first started. Crispy. When I first started dating Andre, the first night I spent the night at his place and I got into that shower and I saw Irish spring. I was like, I have to help this man. Oh, speaking of help. Yeah. From the Ice Abusess episode with Congressman Robert Garcia, we have a comment from Spinella 6093. I'm not going to do it. Spinella. Have a runway show with Melissa's wardrobe and auction it all off. I wish I could help you. I have the same problem. I love thrifting. Yep. Hate throwing away useful things that have a life left. Feel like the quantity of stuff I have in my life is a direct conflict with my views about consumers. My sister, on the other hand, is a real bitch and could help you clean out that storage I didn't know it was going. I have to tell you that I think that I am afraid to open my closet. But what I really would like. What could I fall on you and you might suffocate to death? Totally random thing, right? My mother. My mother will say, if I don't call her, she'll say, you didn't call me. I'm like, I know, mom. She's like, you didn't call me. You never know. The refrigerator could have fell on me. And I'm like. Does that happen? No. And also, where my parents refrigerator is in the kitchen, there's no way. There's no way. It's going to hit the cabinet. It's going to hit the wall. She's like, you don't know. Anyway, my mother. OK, we've got a quick question. Someone sent in a question. Please send us your questions. Call in and leave us a message through my link tree or write into brief recess at exactlyrightmedia.com. And don't forget, friends, what do I always say? While Michael is a lawyer, he is not your lawyer. Get your own. I'm that girl. Everyone's girl. So this person says, do you want to read the question? Federal jury duty tips. I have been summoned for federal jury duty in redacted state. Any tips that the general internet probably doesn't have? It's my first time for any jury duty at all. And being a federal case, it's making me nervous. OK, so this is a little confusing because your jury summons was for a federal case. That's like. That's happened to me. That's happened to you? Yeah. That's never. A really, really long time ago, but yeah. And they were, oh, interesting. Yeah. I have to go to federal court. All right. I guess what I want to know before I give you a tip is, like, do you want to know how to get out of it or how to survive it? Like, what is your. Why don't we do both? OK. How to get out of it? I would listen to what kind of case it is with what attorneys are looking for in Vladimir. And that's, Vladimir is the selection process for a jury. Is someone who is going to have extreme bias against one of the parties? Or has. And that bias can be from you worked for that company or you worked in an industry that is going to give you too much insight. So when you're in that jury room, you are sharing things that the lawyers don't want you sharing. Right. What if whatever, let's say there was a crime and you had been a victim of that same crime? Oh, bias. For sure. Huge bias. Huge prejudice. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's also a way that people kind of get out of it. If you want to know, like, how to survive federal jury, it is possible it's going to be intense and long. It could be really long. Because oftentimes, if they're getting to a place where you're getting a federal jury summons, you are, the case is definitely going to trial. It's not like we're going to plead this out. Like the lawyers have tried everything. This is a serious enough case where it's gotten to federal court. The lawyers and the parties are probably looking for some sort of precedent here. So that's why you're getting that summons. So it's going to be a buckle up, because it will be like a long process, but probably a fascinating experience. And remember, some people get a book deal as a juror. Some do. So if it was a fierce case that makes headlines, you could always sell that shit. You could. Afterwards, though. Don't say anything during the trial. No, you're not allowed to say anything. Yes. Actually, that's really important. 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