Disclosure w/ Nick Kroll & Emily Altman (HDTGM Matinee)

In 1994, Hollywood decided to tackle the most taboo topic imaginable. Sexual harassment, a straight white dude's. We saw disclosure so you know what that means. Hello people of earth, it is me, tall John Sheer. And I am here in studio, you talk about a very important movie today. The film is disclosure from 1994 starring two of the biggest stars of the time, Michael Douglas, Demi Moore and it's a story like I mentioned of sexual harassment in the workplace. But in this film, Michael Douglas is the one who is sexually harassed. Oh, and it also has VR. I hear to break it all down, Michael host, Jason Manzookus, how are you Jason? Listen, Paul, I mean these straight white men are being victimized all over this movie. I like it because he's relatable right out of the gate. He's going from being super rich to almost a millionaire. Yes. And he's a guy that doesn't think a blowjob is sex. Oh, there's so much to talk about. And we actually have a really fun way to tie this episode into a larger thing. We have two guests today. Our first guest, you know her as a writer for Bigmouth. She's also a writer for the President Show, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Insight Amy Schumer. A first time here, please welcome Emily Altman. Hi. Hi, Emily. Welcome, Emily to your nightmare. The this movie, we have a reason why you are here. And we have a reason why our other guests here will get into it both. I wanted to introduce you and welcome you to the show. But have you ever seen disclosure before you started to get involved in it? I hadn't seen it. Remains in my mind, I think I was like an eighth or ninth grade. And they came out and I remember guys talking about the sex scene. Oh, nice. I do very much remember how hot Demi Moore was at the time. Yes. It was mostly about the sex scene. I mean, that sex scene is a real moment in this film. It's also an era where everything took place in something semi under construction. Yeah, a lot of industrial design. Everything is like to like clear tarps are hung everywhere. You've already heard him a little bit on Mike. He is an how to dis get made all star. One of our favorite guests. You know him from of course, Bigmouth and the league and the Crowell show. Please welcome Nick Crowell. Woo, woo, woo. Yeah. Yeah. Hey guys. Nick, so excited to have you on this show and why you're here for this episode is is kind of you asked us. I asked us if you could come on and talk about this movie. Yes. In particular. I why did you do this to us? I this is 10. This is two hours and 10 minutes of a movie that you made us watch. Well, okay. I this was the favor I was calling in. I believe I was the first guest on the first episode of How To This Get Made. You were. That's our last shout out to share. Shout out to Christina. Christina Aguilera. Yep. I was I've also flown to Austin to be on the show. Yeah. Just to hang out with you guys in Austin. Yo, it's been you are you are. How did this get made all star? You are part of the How To Dis get made family. Thank you. And because that sometimes family asked for some favors. Yeah. I was just like in the fast and furious movie. It's all about family. It's all about the family. Oh, I the only favor I want us to find out who does Vin Diesel's milk voice. It's like he's drank a big glass. It's all it's all buttermilk. Yeah, he's got he's got a buttermilk budget that is in the millions. You know why? Because those takes are so hot. Yeah, he's got to drink buttermilk to come up. Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry, Vin, everything curdled. I'll drink it anyway. It's all about furniture. So I asked for you guys to do the movie disclosure because on season three of Big Mouth, we have an episode where the kids put on a musical and the musical that they are putting on is a musical based on the movie disclosure. I love this. So it's a Emily Altman co-wrote the episode with Victor Kinoj. Yes. And it's one of my favorite episodes that we've ever done on the show. And it felt like it would be a perfect thing to come in here, talk about the movie in general so that when people watch Big Mouth and they watch that episode, they'll have all of this extra information and be able to understand what we were doing and why we chose to fucking make a musical out of the movie disclosure. Between this episode of Big Mouth and this episode of How To This Get Made, there's going to be so much rewatching of disclosure that it might get enough heat to get a sequel or a reboot guy. A reboot! A reboot! We need a reboot of disclosure. Re-sclojure. But I will say a disclosure. I will say that we are on a show where so many people come up to us and say, you gotta do this movie in the podcast, you gotta do this movie. And when you said it, I was like, oh yeah, that sounds great because it seems so locked in amber. It's like all the time. And it's a perfect choice for this show. Like, yes. Oh, why would we do this movie? Even if you hadn't requested it, this is a movie we would do. It's a real clean, it's a real clean How To This Get Made. Oh, I mean this is, all right, so what I love about is- It's got virtual reality. Virtual reality. Realist. CD-ROM. Mostly CD-ROM. It's most of the movie is CD-ROM. Oddly, let's get into the technology here because the technology is he's in charge of like releasing CD-ROM, like, you know, manufacturers. Factor and CD-ROM players. But also on the VR team. And the VR that they're creating is like a virtual reality filing cabinet. Yes. Like the corridor, the thing they've created that makes their company worth billions. You're like, like, like Donald Sutherland is going to worth be worth a hundred million dollars. I know, it's just something. So, yeah. As all it is, as you put VR glasses on, you're in a hallway and you can open filing cabinets and see what's inside. And see what's in your filing cabinets and when they actually go in, when you have that big money shot at the end, when you're you're in there and it's like, I-L-M, it's so boring. Yeah. And they're all going up there to like, let's experience it. They talk about it like, check out the VR world. There's nothing interesting, nothing fun. It's not even like a filing cabinet on the beach. It's in like an old bank. Yeah. Like this is in this is in that era of that AeroSmith video. Remember the VR video with. With the Alicia Silverstone. Alicia Silverstone. We have a quick Alicia Silverstone anecdote. I feel like this might be the place to tell it. I saw her at a party and she was like, I haven't seen you since I was at your house. And I was like, Alicia, we, I was like, you've never been to my house. And she was like, yes, I have. I was at your house. I was like, no, I know where I've met you. And it was not at me. And she was, it goes on like this for a little while. And then she's like, oh my god. You're not who I thought you were. You're someone else. I know your Nick Crawl. I was like, I am. And then she's like, oh, I shouldn't. I don't even, I was like, Alicia, now you have to tell me who you think I was. She goes, I thought you were Chris Catan. Ah! Yeah. Sorry. It's the best. Oh, sorry. It's like diversion. However, very worth it. So, but it was like, it was not that Aerosmith video where Stink guy puts on the virtual reality helmet. And like, he's now on a motorbike with Alicia Silverstone. Right. It's like, yeah, that's virtual reality, right? Right. Well, that, that was the dream. The idea is that virtual reality is an escape from reality. And you get to interact in a really crazy space. This, this. Do you think you'd never do it? Yeah. This was magic. The Avatar was your own face. You didn't even get to escape your own body. You got to be it. And I thought this, I pulled this one clip from how Demi Moore speaks about what the internet and virtual reality would be. And I just thought it was so funny because it's so wrong. What we're selling is freedom. We offer through technology. What religion and revolution have promised but never delivered. Freedom from the physical body. Freedom from race and gender. From nationality and personality. From place and time. Communicating by cellular phone and handheld computer, PDA and built-in fax modem. We can relate to each other as pure consciousness. The exact not thing that has happened. That's awesome. I was thinking it made us a more... It has segmented it. Yes. Angry community. A place where all of those things she said race and gender matter the most. And a way to protect our anonymity while we attack those. It's like a system for trolls. I mean, it's also funny that just quickly a shout out to that that any of more cone music playing. Oh, yeah. By the way, he does the music. Oh, yeah. This is a very levitant movie. This is like a... A lot of times on the show we're covering movies that are B movies or C or D movies even. Like really low budget, whatever. And then we've got, you know, your big fast and furious movies. With this movie at the time is a massive... These are the biggest stars of the time. This is one of the biggest directors of the time. This was like when adult movies like this were... And it's Michael Criton, who has... At this point, ER has created ER. Right. Jurassic Park. Created Jurassic Park. He sold the movie rights for a million dollars before the novel was even published. Right. He was like day after the Anita Hill hearing start. He's like, I got an idea. And then a couple of things. His whole pitch was just a Coke can. And you start... By the way, there's a weird close-up on a Coke can in the... There's a Vendee thing. Really? And I was like, oh, this is like... Oh, interesting. There not. By the way, Milos Forman was the original director, but left due to creative differences with Michael Criton. And Barry Levinson came in. Really? Yeah. And took over. Which is interesting. I wonder which way Milos Forman wanted to push it. Like what did Criton react to it? Criton's like, it's a virtual file cabinet or I walk. Milos Forman was like, maybe it could be something more interesting, more exciting to look at when you're in the virtual room. No, I want to open doors that say finances. I mean, but again, this movie had a budget of 55 million. It made a gross of $83 million. Oh, man. It's huge. Hit, you know, big movie. That is crazy that this movie costs $55 million. And it's all for glass walls and glass offices. Yes, I love tech companies and films like this. Tech companies look so sexy. It's like the CSI. I mean, it's like CSI on TV. It's like, everything is glass. They have these big conferences. And people can see people yelling through the glass. Like, this wife, Michael Douglas and his wife into a fight in a glass room outside the mediation room. Everyone can see that. Yeah. Everyone can see, but like, there are at least four plot points in this movie that hinge on someone being able to hear or see through glass. Like Michael Douglas basically is able to discern the whole like third act, like fourth act, really plot twist. By simply walking by Demi Moore's office and Eve's dropping on her watch. No. She's on a treadmill. By the way, it wasn't even her office. I think that was just a gym that also happened to be in the tech company. Oh, I thought they put that stuff in her office. Okay, she comes back. Everything looks like an office. The gym looks like an office. Yes, everything does. Everything's in office. That's very true. Sorry. Before we go forward. Is that one of the songs in the show? Big news. Everything's in office. No, but it should have been that, just a quick question before we move forward. Is it Demi Moore or Demi Moore? I've heard it as Demi. I think it was originally Demi. Like I feel like in the 80s it was Demi and then she shifted to Demi. That's more Demi Moore. Oh, it's more Demi Moore. I'm wondering if Demi, like Demi Lovato. Demi Lovato. And Demi Lovato. I believe her name is short for the Greek name Demi Tera. And I wonder if Demi Moore is the same. And which I think it would be Demi. Not Demi. I mean, as always, Demi Moore is basing everything off of Greek. I'm not wondering if her name is also Demi Tera. Oh, I wonder. Are you now trying to figure out if Demi Moore is maybe Greek? He's half Greek. I'm just now. But no, my dad would have told me because he's got a, he can readily call up any celebrity who's Greek. And be like, well, you know Tina Fey is Greek. You should talk to Tina Fey. Yeah. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. This movie, again, like we kind of touch on it, it revolves around Michael Douglas getting a new boss who happens to be his old ex-girlfriend who they had a very sexual relationship. My favorite thing in this movie is that he is the head of like production. And it is a movie in which I feel like Michael Douglas is like, no, no, let me be very clear. I'm a guy. I'm the head of manufacturing and production of this like this hardware unit for a computer thing. But I need to everybody to recognize that I'm one of the biggest playboys that has ever existed in tech. Like everybody's like, oh, this guy used to get all the pussy. I mean, literally his wife is like, you fuck so many women. Yes. It's like, wow. Well, the story, he is, the story is always about how prolific he was. He gets more asked than a rental car. Yes. I mean, Dennis Miller is, I mean, Dennis Miller, first of all, Michael Cretan wrote the character for Dennis Miller, which is shows you. We're living. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many great Dennis Miller, like, Millerism. Millerism throughout the whole thing. And again, and am I buying? It's like Michael Douglas and Dennis Miller are tech guys. And then this guy is like, Cato Caelin, who, you know, he's like, Cato Caelin. So along those lines, I think we, the reason one of the, when we were deciding to do this for the, for the show, we were describing this movie as in the Michael Douglas's period of filmmaking when he was too sexy for his own good. Yes. Where it's the third and the triptych of basic instinct, uh, Final attraction. Final attraction. And then disclosure was kind of like the, the one that slightly, slightly missed the mark. And then it's like, it's like, it's still is a movie that's kind of burned into your mind as like, right, big film. And hit. And it worked. It was not a failure at all. And Michael Douglas was in all of these movies. These women are going crazy because they want to fuck him so bad that they'll blow up their whole lives for it. Yeah. They will literally blow up their whole lives just to get a taste of that D. And by the way, I will say the one thing that really bothered me, me, I'm jumping ahead, like obviously he's sexually harassed. But never at one point does he like apologize to his wife seem to have anything about him where he's like, because that's, I mean, we'll get into that scene. But he is bulletproof. He seems to be unfazed by anything but losing a million dollars. That's the last rich. Yeah. That's it. In the screenplay at the beginning where she clarifies his wife as like, but we're already rich. We just want to be clear before the movie unfolds, we are very rich. You see where they live. They live in a beautiful house like a giant house on a lake. Oh, they drive a Jeep Grand Wagon here, which is like, you know, I all time, you want to have that car. I love that car. I love that car. But my thing was there's the scene where just to jump back to Dennis Miller, they go to dinner with Dennis Miller and his wife and Michael Douglas and his wife. And this is kind of in the, the beginning of the second act or whatever when Michael Douglas is starting to kind of go down the road of maybe he can claim sexual harassment. And that will help him kind of get out from under where he is. But he doesn't, he hasn't told his wife. He's not blah, blah, blah. And so Dennis Miller is given the information and outs him at dinner. And then it's a big dust up. And then they go, why don't we sit and have a nice dinner? And then they do, they just sit and have a nice dinner after Dennis Miller was just revealed that Michael Douglas cheated on his wife with his ex girlfriend to his wife. The wife digest so much information. And effortlessly is like, oh no, he told me everything, everything's fine. Lying for him. Lying for him. And then they cut to the outside afterwards and she's like, please just tell me, did you sleep with her? Like she seems like destroyed, you know, in a way that you're like, and he like continues to lie. Like he is the protagonist of this movie and is just a piece of shit. I mean, he, I mean, his wife goes through so much. The fact that she's like sitting behind him in that mediation too. Oh, I know. Why is she sitting in that mediation? Because he was going to go without a lawyer. Or no, no, no, no, no. It wasn't it. He had the woman that he'd hired. But why was she good at it? I guess standing by? Maybe, yeah, maybe she thought the authentic like he lies to her. He lies to her in that first scene where she, where in the scene where he's like, she went, she put her hand on my penis. Yes. And then again, right into the hole. Yeah. She's dropped that she's stuck in the middle. Deep into the hole. She reached her middle finger into my urethra. Right into all the way to my bladder. Her paw, are you feeling that? Are you feeling that? Ooh, she melts my bladder. Yeah. From inside my peole. There she took her nail and dug right into my urethra. I mean, there wasn't him and him in there. Yeah. And Dennis Miller, by the way, just to hit one more thing with him too, is like, supposedly the voice of, like not the voice of reason, but the guy who's like, I'm saying it. And every, and he's like the every dude. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You don't have a bone. He's like, you know, she doesn't give you a bone or a... You don't achieve lift. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a, you gotta use a Mac truck, you know, series five to understand how to lift that thing. Shut, tap. Yeah. This is where he gets in trouble here. Well, this comes back to Haunt Michael Douglas's interaction. And? Come on, you have a sexual urge every 20 minutes. It's a physiological certain day. You know, it's hardwired into your limbic brain. You can't fight it. Why would you want to fight it? Live a little. I mean, 10 years from now, you're going to need a forklift to get a hard on, pal. I'm going to cry you tonight. 10 years from now. So it's... But you know what? You're 40. I'm going to cry. And also, how does a forklift help? Yeah. You know, like, like, exactly. Lift up the ball. Like, what does it do? Like a forklift doesn't get it. It's like a forklift? Yeah. But it's so funny. This is also Michael Cretan. It's like that. It's like when Sorkin wrote Studio 60. It's like writers who want to write stand up. Oh, yeah. And they're like, I'm going to write Mill or Dennis Miller material. Whips. I'm going to write what it must be like to be around one of these. And I will say though, to Cretan's credit, it ages great. It does. Yeah, really? It still has that kind of bite, man. But it is. I have to say inside of it, like, Dennis Miller is like, it's fun. I missed. I do like hearing Miller's voice in there. Like, he's fun in that role of, like, come on. You know, he's got a real, I'm like, Kato Kaelin in the movie. He has like a point of view. He's got like something, an engine driving him that's fun to watch enough. The way that I also find Donald Sutherland just captivating to. Oh, he's massive teeth. They are. I think they're getting bigger. They are. Donald Sutherland says something in the beginning. And I love this choice, which was he talks about the death of his daughter, but he glosses over it so quickly. He's like, when my daughter died, I know, not even like a, he's speaking to so many people. Like, there's no, like, emotion. No reference to it after that. But I will say a couple of things. One, Donald Sutherland is doing almost a, like, New York accent. Like he pops in and out of like, I think Donald Sutherland was like, I'd like to do a fun, sort of, he's a tough New York guy. And they were like, okay. And then then he's like, forget it after he sees, he's like, I'm not doing that. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. The other thing is with Dennis Miller and Michael Douglas is it is the, this is prime mullet. New York. This is prime 90s mullet. Yes. The hair is not garish. And they are not garish. You must mullet. Not like, no. No hair. Just like, just like, long in the back. Yeah. But like, loft up top. Yeah. This is the time where I realized also 90s clothes are discussed. Oh, yeah. So loose. Oh, so loose. So loose. It talks about his body. It almost looks like you're so, you're still so hard. Your body's still so tight. Yeah. You can't tell. By the way, the way you fill out all those pleats in those. Yeah, I know. I really do feel like, you know, we, it's been in the news recently, like the Fast and Furious guys had like this thing about who can take a punch. I feel like here, Michael Douglas, like you got to make your talk a little bit more about my rock hard body. Yeah. Like I do feel like it's overkill. It's like, what are you conveying? Like who are you convincing? Like, just everybody else. And, and every, but all of the women in the movie are wearing like just like clothes on top of clothes, on top of other clothes. It looks like they are just draped in fabric. Fabric. It's loose fabric. It's loose fabric. Yeah. It is so blousy and, and flowy everything. It is, it's hilarious to see everybody in the workplace is just like a whole barrage of nonsense clothes. Every time there's a leading. Well, he's also, Michael Douglas is, he's a backpack guy, which I love that is a character chef. Yeah. He's on a backpack. He's got a belt. He's taking the ferry. He's taking a couple. I feel like style wise though, like another thing that we can address at some point is the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. Like how much and how 90s that also is. Yeah. It's in that equally fun. Yeah. Yeah, but also grunge. Yeah. I was surprised. It wasn't more of a wink too that there was like that's how much this movie exists in a time when adult movies mattered is it makes no effort to like reach out to younger people by acknowledging that at this time in Seattle is like the most vibrant music scene in America. There. I mean, they don't even, yeah. Not exactly, but yeah. Not exactly, but yeah. And over, you're right. But I feel like now they would try and use like, they go to see some band or Kato or Kaelin would be like wearing a nerve. I can't see my band tonight. Maybe they were trying to make him look like Kirk Obey. Oh, yeah. And that's probably true. Because he's like that long blondie hair. Yeah. I think I was really taking in was how warped I was by movies like this as a child because this is what you would see like basic things, things like this. Like these are the films of my youth that were like cool. Can you watch adult films? Yes. They were always playing on cable. Like movies like this were always playing on the HBO's and the, you know, whatever. Richard Geer and Kim Basinger. Yes. Yeah, it's like it's like this intense thing. Even like Alex Baldwin made that movie like the Getaway with Kim Basinger. Oh, yeah. And they're like, he showed his dick and she was totally naked. It was like an unrated, really getaway. I remember getting it a blockbuster being so excited. Oh, the alley McGraw, by the way, just a sidetracked. The alley McGraw, Steve McQueen version of the Getaway is one of the greatest movies. Really? Yeah. It's called The Getaway. Yeah. Okay. Yes. The movie, you know, it takes place in a week. So we're Monday through Friday. Yeah, by the way. By the way, that shining, they use the like shining Monday starts and makes up to the promise of real. It really is. So much happens in five days and they make such a big deal of like, this is going to wreck your life and you're going to spend so much money. No, just if you can spend five days dealing with a sexual harassment case. And honestly at the end of it, and this is a legal case that would take months, if not years to work in the organization, arbitration, arbitration, arbitration. But I love that at the end of the movie, it should have just been like 70 cents a Michael Douglas. How are you doing? He's like, eh, tough week. Yeah. And it's like, that's how instant, it's only been one week of his life. Well, is this a fair time to just bring up what the plot of this short? Yeah. Of course. Go ahead. Yeah. This is the whole thing is like, I don't know how I would explain. Like if you talk about the movie, you're like, oh, it's the movie word to me more sexually harasses Michael Douglas and then accuses him of sexual harassment, right? But the actual plot of the movie is that Donald Sutherland is trying to sell or merge his company to make $100 million. In 1994, there's a lot of money. Which yeah, so yeah, which is a lot of money, but still, yes, it's, it's, it is crazy. But like now $100 million for tech company is like what? Oh, yeah. Maybe even Lufur would make like a company that just sells like Lufus delivers you Lufurs. By the way, that's a great, I get it. I get my box every month. Brand new Lufurs. By the way, he should say this episode of How Did This Get Made Is brought to you by Lufur. Lufur ignores Lufur company. Scrub off Lufurs savings. Scrub off some savings of 15% when you use the offer code bonkers at Lufur. Yeah. Lufur by Lufur Igno. This is the Idris Hill book. I'm Lufur. I scrubbed the streets of London clean and now I want to scrub your body clean. You scott dead skin all over your body. I found dead skin all over the London. Oh, I hate these jams. Oh, that one. So anyway, that Lufur would have $100 million. Oh, yeah. Maybe he's excited because he has $100 million for a company that's just a virtual filing cat. Yeah. He's the biggest whole over everyone. Can I ask a question? Is the sexual harassment the initial sexual harassment? This is my question. A setup itself. That's what I mean. Demi Moore calls him up to the office for wine to discuss. Is that a trap or is that no? No, I think because I think we're supposed to believe that he is that sexually attractive. Okay. I think she's putting, I think it's she is so they were how hot he is. She has to do it. But don't you think I thought I read it slightly differently. I think that she was like going, Hey, we used to fuck. You'll want to do it again. Let's just go and we'll have a we'll just have our thing. Like it will have our normal affair. Yeah. Well, I got his promotion. Yeah. I got your promotion, but we can still hook up. But I mean, but that's what I like. And so I think what is even weirder about this too is like, so she's spurned because he doesn't want to have sex with her. And then she's like, I'm going to take you down. Yeah. Right. But that's the thing is like she's he spurns her, right? She's like, I'm going to take you down. But he was they were always trying to take him down. He was always supposed to be the scapegoat for why the technology wasn't working. Yeah. Was the sexual harassment not the first attempt to get him out? It was just a complication to their long game of trying to get him out. Oh, I thought right. No, I don't know. I, well, again, I don't know. Maybe it's different, but I thought they were using that to be like, we'll get him out this way because he was already pushed down to the lower tier. I, yes. What I believe after spending like literally hours trying to understand this and talking about it with my girlfriend was like, can you explain to me what this is about? Yeah. Here's what I believe they were trying to. Your date must be so far. Is that you just like furiously die trying on the table? No, you know, okay. And then she says, right? So to me, and it's, it's to me, she, well, she's Greek, we think so. I believe what happens is that they are trying to get this merger done, but the technology and the manufacturing on these new CD-ROM, which are a big part of this whole virtual reality deal or whatever, unclear. They need the CD-ROM drives. Now, even the CD-ROM drives for this virtual reality, which is the cornerstone of why this merger is happening, they are behind about a year on production. Right. So they need a scapegoat. If this comes out, they need a scapegoat to bury the problem on and they're choosing Michael Douglas as the scapegoat so that if it all ever comes out, they'll be able to fire him and be like, we fired the problem now. But even then, it's still. But the reason they're still behind, they can't see the right. The reason they're behind what we find out is that they are. You're right, I think. So far, everybody is right. That's the thing is all of these things are in play and that's what's kind of difficult to kind of figure out because there's multiple people have multiple levels of secret plans. Because what we then find out at the end is that it was Demi Moore's character who made the changes to the manufacturing line of the CD-ROM drives that have necessitated that Michael Douglas is now a year behind sketch. Why did she do that? She just wanted to set the company back. Cost cutting. Cost cutting. To get them, maybe ready for the merger quicker. Yes. My guess is that they had a clock and they couldn't wait any time you're rolling in Malaysian news footage to your big reveal at the end of this is. And also just like being like. And he has all that overnight. He's able to overnight build an incredible case against Demi Moore. All because this is a guy who's always helping out the little guy. His wife says it and she's like, oh, you don't you. You're the only one who helps everybody or something. And then like his big help. Except her. The Disneyland. He goes. Big goes Disneyland take it. He's right. He writes he goes all the rides are comped. I want for you all the way. You don't have to pay for a sit once you get in there going any ride. You can ride it as many times. Don't worry all the rides are comped. When he said that, it just spoke to me that no one has been to Disneyland there. You don't understand the concept. It's not hard to get tickets. It is not like a concert. No, it's like a belt. All your life. And is it just is that just to save the cat thing of like, yes, a good guy? Okay. And why the guy helps him right? Right. He's from a late section is the same guy he got the Disney tickets for is the guy who faxes him all the incriminating name is maybe Jafar. Yes, Jafar. This is post and this is post Aladdin or is this. It's not to Aladdin and is it right? A lot terrible not to allow. Yeah, Jafar wants to go to Disney world. The villain. He can't afford all. You know Michael Criton's just like with his kids are watching Aladdin in the background. He's like, Jafar, great. Got it. Clicking and click and click. Alain came out in 92. So yeah, it is. It is. It is. We're living in a post Aladdin world. Yes. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Please. Please. Look, what I'm saying is I don't want to be stressed out. I might just take a pro's act. Oh, so 90s every little. I know. And it's like, it's just like, oh, you want to like I'm stressed out. Oh, you want a pro's act. It's like this is not an Advil. No, pro's act works cumulatively over time. You have to take pro something like pro's act for a long time, for it to get into you. You don't just like casually pop as a pro's act, but this movie speaks of all these things as if they were all in the media. They're pro's act. VR. Sexual harassment. It's like, it's just thrown in terms. It's like a weird random timeline of what 90s. Time caps. Yeah, time caps. Is there a present from the 90s? Everything is there. So when he goes into this office to meet her and they have their first meeting, she requests a back rub, which she does. I mean, this is so, it's so funny because they don't try to change it in any way. They just basically go, here are the details of how or the tropes of men sexually are dressing women. We'll just have her do the exact same thing like, give me a back rub. And that and so funny in the secretary walks in. Yeah, secretary totally indifferent. By the way, why does she, I have a question about that. So secretary when she, the secretary locks the, yes. Why? So the secretary was she in on it on the, this is before they could, this is before they could install the, before the mask, or yeah, the, the, the, the, the button that automatically locks the door. That's good. It's a head to life and door. That was so odd though, because she would have to say like, hey, I'm going to sexually harass the one in here. Also here is my question is, Demi Moore has been not like, this is the first he's seen, this is the first Michael Douglas has seen of her. She's got a fully, not a fully furnished office yet. No, it's under construction, right? But it's pretty, pretty done. Yeah. And she has flown her secretary up with her to, like, I was sort of like, so the secretary is with her in, in the vow in, in, in California. They've flown up that day. Yes. The office is basically done. I've been running. And he didn't ever, and he had, and he had no idea that this was not going to be, this was supposed to be his job. They treat it like, like, the office is being decorated like a surprise party. Like, I know they're decorating that office. Yeah. It's going to be mine. No, no, she's fully in there. Like, the choices have been made. Yeah, like, he would have been able to look and be like, oh, that's not my, my stuff. I think that's the thing. So that's what she, Donald Sutherland, the guy from happiness, Dylan Baker. Oh, Dylan Baker, so good. He's one of the great weasels of our time. Yeah. They're also excited to fuck over Michael Douglas. Well, that's one of the notes I made. I was like, this world, this movie exists in a world in which just people at a tech company are so gleefully engaged in, like, nefarious activities to destroy a single person as if he's wronged them. And like, they are, Dylan Baker is essentially twirling a mustache throughout, like, he's such an idiot. He has no idea. And he's only shown us at that point to be the nicest of all people. Like, he's helping out. He's got a hamper full of balls in his office. He likes to, you know, play with his basketball. I thought that was such a funny, weird thing to see that. He was a hamper of balls. Like, it's like basketball, football. And at one point, he's like, that's a basketball. And he's like, just tosses it in the set. Well, the office door stays open. Oh, yeah. And his secretary. Yeah. Cindy? Right? Are you a friend? Yeah. Well, and it's like, she's, it's always so funny in movies, it's like, do you have the door open or closed? Yeah. I always leave it open. She's like, you always leave it open. And you're like, I don't know. I don't want to. I'm sure it's going to close someday. Yeah, yeah. And she also is like, like, they have a thing where she's very concerned about him. And he is going through his trauma. Like, she's like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. I'm fine. And then yet she testifies against him. Well, they set that up as well when he pats her on the butt with his, with the files. Right. Right. And they really show you that, like, they make sure you, that lands so that, that's when that comes back later. And then she does it at the end. Yeah. It shows that everyone's lined up. And everyone is doing it. Also, she kind of apologizes at the very end. Yes. Yes. And for which we have in, I didn't quite understand what she's apologizing for, but it feels bad. Right. Well, it's like, she's apologizing for, like, saying out loud that he, like, sexually, hurt her at the end. Yeah, I'm so sorry that I told the truth. Yeah, exactly. It's such a fucking mix message movie because she's like, I'm apologizing for testifying against him because you actually are a good guy. And now the thing that you did to me, I'm going to do to you, and it's playfully, though, which he did to her playfully, like not less seriously. So, and not saying that that's right or wrong, I'm just saying, but like, no one's learned anything in this interaction. This has been... No, I feel like they set up the idea that like, not in the office, like, look, Michael Douglas isn't perfect. Like I feel like they were like, we covered our bases. Yeah, we've covered our bases, right? So, we're not just saying to me more, sexually arassum in Michael Douglas is an angel. He likes to play around a little bit, but it's all in good fun. It's nothing bad either. Well, keep in mind this, you know, this is 1994. This is before... Like, you have... You have plugs. This is before. I mean, it's 2019. Remember, like, this looks antiquated because we have figured out sexual harassment. So, oh, yeah. Of course. Like, this is like, from another time. There's no problems. And everything, this is, I mean, this looks... I don't want you to solve all this. Yeah. I feel like nobody talks about it anymore. These days, they're not really sort of hearing about it. I know it's like not on the new. I went away. I feel like this... I can't believe that this isn't the biggest movie in the alt-right mood for it. I can't do that. Yeah, the spirit is identical. It's so weird. It's the way the defensiveness that he has, the persecution that he goes through, from the guy on the ferry, from the very beginning, it's like a world... Yes. ...everyone is against him. Yes. I feel so much like right now. It is. The guy on the ferry, which... The guy on the ferry, we have a puppet scene in the disclosure of the musical. Briefly, you'll see like a weird puppet version of the ominous man on the ferry. And we have the blowjob scene. We have like a experimental dance blowjob scene. Oh my God. I see very briefly. But the guy on the ferry is like these women are taking our jobs. Yes. And it's like... And it's like 25 years later, it's still this feeling, it's the same sentiment, right? Yeah. And you're supposed to think, I think, at the beginning, that that guy's like over the top on the ferry. But then the way the movie plays out, you're like, no, I think that's what Michael Dijk feels he experienced. Michael Dijk looks at him at the end of the movie, almost to say like, were you right the whole time? Yeah. Are you some sort of... Are you like the killer? Yeah. Are you like... What's the Greek with Blanc? You see a hair... I'm like, thank you. ...to be a reaser. No, that's not right. But like, that's a crazy idea. Well, he says to him, he goes, you used to have fun with the girls. Now they want your job. Yeah. That's like the most damning thing you can say, like, wow, can't we just like, why don't these girls just want to fuck us anymore? Now they want to work and vote and get out. It really has been a rough, a real rough, what? 15 years for straight white dudes. Like a real straight decline. They're really feeling it. Put this in some sort of context, too. This is four years before the Clinton Lewinsky stuff even comes out, too. So it's like, it is interesting in the sense that it... It was ahead of its time. Well, that's what I bet. I bet when all the Clinton Lewinsky stuff comes out and it's like, I did not have sexual relations with that woman, which is like, you know, it's like, he didn't have sex with her, but she clearly blew him. He definitely put a cigar inside of her. And what an amazing guy to be the president of the United States in the 1950s to do that to a 2021. When you're on your own, what a great guy. But also to talk about that, like just recently watching that Monica Lewinsky doc, you realize like, oh, I saw this totally wrong. The way the media kind of... I just put it in your head as a kid. Like, you're like, oh, yeah. Like, you wonder, like, no, his personal life is his personal life. Right. You know, right? The mainstream media. Jason's changed a lot, too, just like Dennis Miller. You've got a lot of different gentlemen. The lame stream media will have you believe. But it is, I bet when the Clinton Lewinsky stuff came out, I guarantee like, Crite and all those guys were like, we saw it. We knew it. We saw it. We saw all these women taking down these good men. In this movie, you've got him say a line, which is... Oh, shit. I can tell you right now. I mean, is it sexual harassment is about power? Yeah. Oh, and did I ever have the power? Yeah. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's the line. They say it like four times in the movie. Well, here's the thing. Let's get into the scene. The sexual harassment scene. So it starts off with the arm rubbing or the back rub, the door is locked, and then the attack. This is the most... And maybe I'm wrong on this, but the most mixed message sexual harassment scene either, because... Oh, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I had like, shy love up watching. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. But then the angles, like that blow, I mean, first of all, that's another hilarious thing, I guess in my mind that like for this woman, like she wants to get off, like giving him a blow job. Like, oh, I just want to get your cock in my mouth. That gets me off, like, like, like, but like, so she's like, so you have this angle like on her face in his crotch and those very pleated pants. And you know, he's like, no, no, no. And then he kind of lifts her off. He's like, okay, you want to get fucked? Yeah, I'll fuck you. And then they just start fucking. No, they almost fucked. Okay, the almost rips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very important rip of his rib. He rips her. And I think that's in one of those things where Michael's like, I've got an idea. Yeah. I've got one idea, Barry, before we roll on this, I thought maybe we'd try this. So he rips the underwear off. And then he said, you know, there's a couple of times he tried to and it did work. And he's like, can somebody score the underwear? Please score with her. It'll rip easier. Well, here is a little bit of the sex scene. It's not a dull day in the computer, it's not. All right. Let me be the boss. He uses a lot of business length. Oh, you got it. No, I, she's like the synergy between our bodies has never been- I'm gonna download you. Let's IDA. Oh, no, no, no. All right, so now he's in the middle of getting it. Oh, I get fucked. Come on, do what you want. You want to get fucked? You're turning everybody on pause. What you want? I love when she puts her fingers in his mouth. But he, so he says, do you want to get fucked? And then he gets all the power, or in this moment, he is the aggressor, which I think is a funny, weird mix to be like, okay, so he's got to also show he's not really being sexually assaulted, because he then has- I believe that they're saying. I believe that what they thought they were doing was being like, she's pushing him, she's pushing him, and then he's still a fucking duck, you know what I mean? He got to do it. He's a man, he got it, dude. And it is part of his character that he is a womanizing man. A man with a past of sexual prowess or whatever. But it's like, he's a sexual prowess guy, but you see him at home, and you see him with his family, and generally he's like so kind of like such a family man and such a- Well, that's what to me more is kind of chipping away at. She basically, he arrives, and the first thing she does is be like, show me pictures of your family, who she then proceeds to neg fully. Oh, she's his daughter. He says, but look at this picture, my daughter, isn't she beautiful? She goes, she looks like your wife. Who needs to lose weight? She said, yeah, she goes, she never lost, and then Michael Dugga goes, she never lost the baby weight from the first baby. He throws that out there, the end by the way. Which by the way, that actor is what? There's, she's white yet? Yeah, she's like, also, how can you tell she's wearing the blousey as to clothing? But that's a crazy thing to say, to anyone, my wife never lost that baby weight. So it's like apologizing for, like yeah, no, you caught that, I'm saying. And you know what, okay? Please. To say that to someone who's an ex-girlfriend of yours is an invitation. To say that to an ex is basically to say, I'm not happy with my wife. It's confusing, you gave her a best bet. I think that's what they think they were doing. They were like, see where there is gray. Yes, I think that's what it is. They're saying like, if we really took a snapshot of what sexual harassment is, it's just a lot of gray. It's as much the women as it is. Yeah, exactly. And by putting a man in that role, they can say, like, that's why they do that thing on the S. But yeah, it's like, guys, what is it? I mean, it really what is, where is it for you? It's not like, it's a very mixed message. It's, they are, it's also something in that exchange where Demi Moore says, it looks like your wife keeps your refrigerator full of food. That's like another comment. And that's why he thinks that she's saying that she's fat because she's eating food. But I don't even get what, for her to full of food, I think she's saying, like she seems like a good provider. Oh, like she's like a dummy at home. That's something like a, you know, like, and even though she's a lawyer, she's got a bed full of papers. She's quite accomplished. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's got a bed. She's always doing work. That's such a 90s thing of like, I'm working at home, so my bed is covered. By the way, that is a June day and Rayfield specialty. Really? June makes the bed a full blown office. That is, like there are books, I, when I try to get you, you should get her the corridor, so that she's just in a virtual office in bed. She just puts on virtual office. You mentioned walking into your bedroom and June is just reaching out. There is something about June that is like a little 90s work in woman. I mean, by the way, I think that she has something to grip on baby boom and she's like, I want to live this life. She's also playing Let the River Run. So she does it. Oh, probably Simon sings in our room every night. But she, you guys have changed. June does say that she can say, he used to be currently in my office. Like she does, like, she, she, she considers her bed the office. She likes to, she's very open about loving to get into bed at early times and be like, let's, like, let's figure this out. Yeah, to work. I literally, when I come to bed, I'm moving books and files and things. They're probably one of the only people that wakes up with paper cuts. But so he is, Shout out to June. I am, June, who said, when she, she's in New York right now, doing pressure book or a great book, that she's like, I'm so bummed I'm not here for this episode. She's like, this is my favorite movie. What? What? Oh, we have to get. Oh, and she was watching me watch it on the play yesterday and she's like, oh, wish I could talk about it. Oh, she also gave me more. And she's like, you be careful in there tomorrow. She's like, you guys are in a minefield. Well, it is, but again, like Michael Douglas, it's everyone's in a minefield. And like, I think like how it's just, this movie to me is so, in a weird way, it is very prophetic about how all of this would eventually go down. It only took 25 years for us to be like, watch how, for like white men to be like, watch how, and all men, how women are gonna weaponize sexual harassment against men. And what I think is so interesting is the movie's also a revenge film, like, because once he's been wrong, he's like, now I'm gonna fucking direct your life. The scene where he confronts her, because it goes beyond, he wants to humiliate her. He's too like tricky where he's like, Meredith, I'm just curious, I thought you were in charge of that. And then everyone starts to laugh at her. There's too much emotion behind. He needs it too much. And they never really do that to him. Everything that he's doing is very segmented. The only people that are probably laughing at him is the guy who accidentally got the message on his answering machine of the hardcore sex scene. Who was that? Fucking raise that. Cause he was auto-type on his phone, made him call the wrong guy. That wasn't someone we knew, right? Okay. I thought it was gonna be the guy from the fucking boat. Like, at least I thought it was. No, that was confusing. Yes. I also think that in this, like, it's like the speeches in the reveal, there's two, at least two times when Demi Moore cannot help herself, but reveal like what a fucking... She does like a couple of different, you can't handle the truth. Yes. Where it's like, if you push me, guess what? I won't back down. Do you want to hear? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I want to hear her big, this is her big seat. Block the door, you demanded service. And then you got angry when he didn't provide it. So you decided to get even, to get rid of him with this trumped up charge. Ms. Johnson, the only thing you have proven is that a woman in power can be every bit as abusive as a man. Thesis statement for the film. Yeah. You want to put me on trial here? Let's at least be honest about what it's for. I am a sexually aggressive woman. I like it. Tom knew it and you can't handle it. It is the same damn thing since the beginning of time. Vail it, hide it, lock it up, and throw away the key. We expect a woman to do a man's job, make a man's money, and then walk around with a parasol and lie down for a man to fuck her like it was still 100 years ago. Well, no thank you. By the way, that speech is so a few good men. And she's in a good man's handle. Just two years before. I kind of like that speech. There's something about it that's very pleasing. She, by the way, I think the content is wrong, but I like the way I think she's good at this movie. I think she's like really good. I think there's a bunch of good performances in this movie which make it even more insane. It's not, it's not campy, it's not over the top performance wise. People are finding a way to compellingly deliver insane lines like that. Well, but I will say this, what Michael Douglas and Demi Moore are both doing a lot of is lower lip work. Michael Douglas's lower lip is, is yeah. And I don't know if it's always like that, but it's like really jutted out. And I feel like Demi Moore is also doing a lot of lower lip work in this movie. They both worked with the same acting. It's like, it's like the top part of their face lips. It's different than the bottom part. It really does feel like their top part is almost frozen like Michael Cain has that thing like never blink with on camera. And I feel like they're like never move a muscle in the top part of your face. Only the bottom lip all of it. This is probably in like a pre-botoxy world. But Michael Douglas's lower lip is calm, but there are some good speeches in here or they're like, and it is this weird thing where it's like they're trying to bring up the idea that like how can a woman should be able to do whatever? We talk a lot in the, there's about a, what is it, an aggressive woman likes to be on top is one of our songs. Yeah. But I do think it is a lot about an aggressive woman likes to be on top and they want to talk to it, but then they're also like, but an aggressive woman can't control herself and like loses her shit, which is what Demi Moore does time and time again. It's like, yes, she's powerful, yes, she's aggressive, but she also has no control over her emotions. So she's going to let loose and say things as she should and say multiple times. But you know, it's interesting because at certain points you are on her side, you are on his side, like you see it clearly and I think, I mean, and again, this whole idea of the gray, it, I think it comes out in this, where you leave just going like, I don't know, like I mean, you can really find, she doesn't seem like a villain necessarily at the end. I mean, the most villainous act she does is sabotage the plant. Right. Right. I mean, for profit, for profit, you know, in the company that it seems to me, right? Perhaps might have been done at the behest of Donald Sutherland. I'm not sure. I don't think she's out there acting as a malicious agent alone. Right. I mean, I don't think she's trying to gain the system for her own gain or anything like that. I think she is a company. I think she's part of a company that itself is like participating in misrepresenting itself in order to overvaluate their merger price. You know, I don't think she's like, James trying to be set up as like, oh, she's like a working alone is the bad guy. I think they're all bad. I think Sutherland is bad. I think Dylan Baker is bad. I think their whole team seems to be like a cabal of evil doers. Right. And Dylan Baker also in the mediation, everybody kind of in and out of the mediation in the middle of the day, like I got to go back to work. I mean, you know, I mean, in the middle of the day, they're going to it. Like they're like they're going to a different location. Like I'm going to another another glass office conference room. Like let's go to that other glass conference room. Yeah, because I thought it was in there thing. And then they had to go back to work to then go back to the mediation. Although I do like when he wins the mediation at the end, they needed to connect him and his lawyer. And I love his lawyer, Roma. Yeah, like she's Catherine Alvarez. Like they win and they're like they don't hug. They just do this like awkward up top high five. Like they're like, they're like, yeah, we did it. It's a weird thing. Not a handshake. It's like, yeah. And then they and then he goes back and it's like, wait, did the papers gone through? There's still like this is all part of their plot to screw me because so it's like it's so convoluted. Yeah, well, because now, you know, now they couldn't get him on this sexual harassment thing. So now they need to scapegoat him for the plants flaws again to make them look good to the people who are going to buy them. The guy from Texas or whatever. And Connolly Jr. Jr. Well, no, then the father comes at the end of the movie. When they're all so excited to check out the VR setup in his hotel room, which by the way, the other thing that I love because it makes no sense is it's like a bouncy mat like a exercise bouncy mat that has like balls on it. But like they're walking around so fluidly. It's like, well, they're going to walk right off that fucking bouncy mat. Like a normal human being is like feet would almost be touching the ends of the bouncy mat at regular. It's like a personal, a personal trend and a trampoline. Yeah, it's what it looks like he's standing on. But then he's walking full stride through the corridor. But then there's also that moment where he almost like falls off a cliff. Yeah, well, why did they build the corridor to have edges like large, like it says if the stairs and hog warts that are moving around is part of it and you can't quite be certain that when you step next, it won't be just an abyss. By the way, you're and you're are you a Harry Potter? I'm not, I've never, like, and I'm not either, but it does feel like me neither. Yeah, yeah, you know, like you know, like the Harry Potter movie is like, Jason, never heard of it. Do you have your right hand in the books? I don't even know what it is. Harry, who? Yeah. Are you saying Perry Hutter? I eat that you know, you know. I know about Perry and Hutter. But the virtual like storage room, file cabinet, library space, I feel like Harry Potter kind of stole the like movable. Yeah, that's how to play, right? JK Rowan, big fan of fright. Emily, so obviously in writing this episode, you saw this movie a lot, is there any like little things that just jump out at you as being like, I mean, we talk about a lot, but like even lines are moments that you're like, oh my God, I like. Well, Dennis, we already started talking about Dennis Miller, but the jokes, the way that Nick was describing it, sort of the way that a drama writer writes, comedy, every single, I get the spirit of it that he's supposed to be like a little bit nasty. But everything is just like a click off in gross. The way he describes, he's like, nipples like pencil eraser. Yeah. And everyone in the room is like, yeah, pencil eraser. Yeah. In case you make a mistake, we're gonna use her boobs to erase your... Crossword puzzle. But now you're gonna put it in a, I don't, and you might get into this in the like, I read the, I googled like reviews of the movie, be like, how was this movie received? And I know Paul, you might... I have a couple, but go ahead. Well, the first line of the Roger Ebert review, do you have that? I do, it's like, I'm sorry, you can tell me if you, if you got it. It's like, like basically the first line is like, the wonder broad does amazing things for Demi Moore's cleavage. But this movie is a little bit lost in its delivery. And you're like, why? Why? Roger Ebert, like, like, like, like, like, drama. He also said, basically a launch pad for sex scenes. But it's not, it's one. He doesn't even have sex with his wife, which I think would have been interesting too, like just to show like, like, he's a warning guy, like sex sex. I know. The to show that there was some, I don't know, some even chemistry there between them. It's a weird thing. Yeah, I wonder if they were trying to make the point that like, he used to be this like real playboy, but now he's been domesticated. And Demi Moore is opening the door to Wildness again. That's what she says, that's what she says. Yeah, and that, that it's almost like his home life has to be sexless. In order for the other side of it to seem attractive, but like, the more that that's like, but I think that should be that, like, like, it shouldn't have that much of a spread almost. I think that that's part of the movie though, is like, this guy used to be a playboy, and now he got married and like, doesn't it work a day guy, and he's been beaten down, it doesn't it suck? And like, you know, what's he's supposed to do in this hottie tries to blow him? Yeah, you get passed over by a promotion for a bio, well, it looks like the guy on the boat. They might as well have the guy on the boat narrate the movie. I know. Well, obviously we had opinions about this movie, but people out there with a different opinion now, it's time for second opinions. You're one day, you're one day, you're one day, you're one day, you're one day, you're one day, the movie was a piece of shit. Yeah, this person recommends it. Tell me what is the message? Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion. Thank you, John L'Ajoire for that amazing song, as always. Well, get ready, people, because if you thought the movie had some problematic issues, these reviews go there. These are five star reviews, Cole from Amazon. And average rating of this movie, 4.5 out of five stars, 237 total reviews, 65% are five star reviews. Holy shit. And, let's see, Maria writes, a very interesting and realistic movie that brought us sexual harassment in the workplace and showed us how as women become CEOs, VPs and directors of corporations, they start to show some of the same characteristics shown by men in the workplace. Women can be just as aggressive and focused on seeking sex with men that they work with. I think this movie shows a very realistic, true-to-life story that happens every day, corporate America. Five stars, excellent. That is kind of the tenor of many of this. And then this one, I really like, because it's a little bit different from Palo Roberto Elias. He writes, disclosures a suspenseful corporate intrigue drama. Showing us what goes on behind closed doors in many places. It has an appealing interface to an audience by showing how products can be made flawed by careless manufacturers. Five stars. This, wow, love that guys. That guy's movie, the movie that guy watched was very different. Really like that. I happen to work in CD-ROM, manufacturing. Joni writes, love this movie. Watch it over 20 times. We'll watch it again now. Five stars. Chachi writes, not a fan. Can you imagine being like, this is my favorite movie? 20 times watching this movie. You know that movie when you meet someone and you're starting to kind of fall in love. You're like, oh, do we have the same taste in movies? Like, I want to show you this. I want to be a movie on three. One, two, three. Disclosure. Oh, let's spend our lives together. This one is written by Paula Pumpkin. Did not care for the sex part. But overall, the movie's very good. And held your interest till the end. Five stars. Paula. This one is written like this. Great movie. It shows just how far some women will go to get what they want in the workplace. This is not just a movie. It happens every day in the workplace. If you're charged with sexual harassment, it is a nightmare. When this became a workplace issue, my wife asked me if I knew the definition of sexual harassment. And I said, no. And her response was, well, you know what it is? Anything you want it to be. So I'm glad that I retired six years ago. Five stars. Wait, meaning this guy was constantly sexually harassed. I quit that day. Can you tell me that? I was dumb. But truly, it was like, my wife and I know that I sexually harassed women constantly. My wife gets it. I'm a piece of shit. So those are some of the reviews. Some interesting side facts. I did tell you the movie made 83 here. It made 213 million worldwide. So that means, you know, that's giant. The tagline was sex is power. And it was not written, I mean, the novel is written by Michael Critan, but the screenplay was written by the same guy Paul Anastasia who wrote Donnie Brasco and Quiz Show. Interesting. Yeah, which is interesting. And then if you do have a kink of watching Donald Sutherland turn into a vampire, then you definitely need to watch this movie because that is a scene we didn't really talk about. But is one of the best scenes Michael Douglas has been traumatized? Oh, yeah. And he gets, and he has a nightmare where he has a sexy dream about Donald Sutherland coming onto him like a vampire. It's so bizarre that I don't think it's like a vampire, though. He doesn't have fangs or anything. But oh, I guess trying to make out with him. You're right. And I think I took it as like, you thought he was turning into a vampire? I thought he was turning into a vampire. No, he's trying to sexually assault him. Oh, jeez, I'm an idiot. I love that. I, because you know what? I looked at the way he was coming with his name. No, we don't have, they shot it weird. We don't have June here today. Yeah. But I feel like that is the moment. That is a good June moment where she's like, and he was a vampire. I was wondering when, no one got, I got no, I know what you mean. I was like, what is Paul Mane? I mean, yeah. Because I've thought you were maybe referring to another Donald Sutherland role. Oh, no. And I was like, oh, no, there is. Because in my mind, this guy, the merger goes through. The CD-ROM business takes off. And then everything happens. But then it becomes Pan Am and it's the Hunger Games. And he's president snow. Ah. I'm just watching it again. They do it like a very tight perspective. It's like Michael Douglas's POV. Yeah. He goes, come on, Bob. Oh, yeah. Now he comes in for a kiss and it looks like he's going to suck his blood. Yeah. And his tongue is out like before. I guess tongue is making him the first contact. And you thought he was trying to bite his neck for blood. Yeah. I thought he was having a weird dream. Like, they're sucking me dry, it's gumpening. Yeah. I did not even pull it together. It's so bizarre that now he also feels like, well, that's a beautiful movie like this. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so valid. Well, obviously, we normally ask to recommend this movie, but I think you need to watch this movie too, or not, you don't need to watch it to enjoy it, but I think it'll give another level of enjoyment to you. I would say this episode that is, I don't know what number it is in season three, but it's later in the season. It's probably like episode eight or nine of season three. It's disclosure, the musical. The other part of that episode is the queer eye guys. They're queer eye coach Steve. It's like one of my favorite episodes of the show. Jay recommends coach Steve. And anyway, the point is, I can't recommend this movie enough, just in general, but also specifically, when you watch Big Mouth, the disclosure episode, you will be that much more gratifying. And Big Mouth comes out next week on Netflix. What's the actual day at track? October 4th, it drops. So this is a great thing to do leading up to watching Big Mouth. So that when the season comes out, you'll... Watch it every day. Watch this close. Watch this one out of order. I would watch it in order. I would let the season, because there's some stuff that happens in the episode that are irrelevant to the season. And so I would wait to watch it until you hit it. And who are the stars of the disclosure musical? Is that a secret? It's not a secret. I mean, Nick is... I think maybe the other ones we can keep up with. Yes, the other ones, Nick is, yes, we'll leave the rest of the secret, but Nick, maybe the star of the... Are you guys any... Oh. ...might have a Michael Douglas wig. Oh. The success of this, like obvious, the success of the show, Big Mouth and this season, especially I think is everybody's really highly anticipating it. Will this episode launch a musical disclosure? Like, are you interested in... Oh. Are you interested in mounting disclosure of the musical? Or are you gonna let high schools... Or middle schools, I guess, across the country, mount productions of the disclosure... We gotta talk to Samuel French about that. Smart. Yeah, the book of this will be great. It's gonna be... Mark Rivers wrote all the music for... How many songs did you guys do? I mean... You've got the power now. You've got the power now. Aggressive woman likes to be on top. The interpretive blowjob ballet. Yes. Um... And there's one or two others. I can't remember. There's like a... Oh, there's a long montage. The whole opening. It's finally happening. We made it so long. The opening number is like the opening number of... It's for the rehearsal or the triads for it, but it's a... There's at least three or four full numbers in the show. Oh, I cannot wait. It's crazy. And I really do recommend... We talk about this movie being like two hours and ten minutes, but it goes down smooth. It really is... I mean, like... A lot of times, I'm looking at how much longer, how much longer, I'm like, no, it tells the story well. I mean, it's confused. It isn't like... Well, unlike a lot, again, a lot of the movies we do are poorly made. Yeah. This is an impeccably constructed movie from great filmmakers from... You know, like this is... It is absolute trash, but... It is certainly constructed. Well, you're not... I wasn't confused. Yeah. Like, during the visitor. I was confused about all of the texts. Did you guys fully understand? No, I mean, that stuff, I feel like... Again, it's like they're just saying... I think God will give us... They were in the blank. By the way, we didn't even just mention like what emails look like. Oh, yes. Wow. I wrote it down. One of the things I loved about this movie is it opens with the girl, his daughter... Greetings. You got A... Oh. You got an email. I mean, emails are written like... Letters. Yeah. And she reads it aloud from the beginning to the end. Yeah. The entire... I guess to nobody in the house. Yeah. Almost everybody does that. Almost everybody reads their emails aloud as if like... They need to comprehend it in a way that is... He also has some great one-sided phone calls. Yeah. By the way, she's doing some great one-sided phone call, cell phone work. I mean, yeah. The cell phone, I love like all the details. I mean, it's... When I loved the guy on the boat who's like, remember when cell phones were huge and he was like, yeah, I was in Wall Street when they were huge. I was Gordon Gecko. Remember, I'm synonymous with those giant cell phones. Now, why? At the end of the movie. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everything happens. Why does... Why did... Okay, so they're in the car and his... Michael Declos's daughter says, Daddy, I didn't believe any of this stuff they said about you. Who told the daughter? Who told the daughter? Who told the daughter? They're reading the email. And why? Why did they do it? The daughter was a friend. Why did they tell like a seven-year-old what was going on? It wasn't in the paper. It wasn't. I think what they're saying is like the kids are... I think what... Yeah, it's not bad at all. Yeah, it's not bad at all. Kids are picking kids. Oh, okay. She what's happening. And just in a weird moment of life imitating art in 2003, Demi was sued for sexual harassment by her ranch caretaker. She claimed that she fired him after he rejected her advances. Ultimately, she was clear to all charges. But I also feel like I'm sure that rancher was like... Yeah. How did I get this idea from? I feel like... That's a ranch. So... All right. Can I promote one more thing? Yeah, please. I'm also going on a stand-up tour, middle-aged boy tour, this fall all over the country. So I'll be doing shows wherever these guys and June have been running through this wonderful nation. I'll be following out. It's a great show. I've seen it. Go see it everybody. I'm very excited to see it. I've seen pieces of it and it's very good. Where can they go get tickets for that? I think go to knickroll.com middle-aged boy tour. I love it. Emily, anything you want to talk about? No, just Bigmouth. Very excited. October 4th. I love it. I really truly do this season of Bigmouth. I'm very pleased with it. There's some crazy episodes. I cannot wait. Thank you. Thank you, Nick. Thank you. Emily, Bigmouth is coming back. Season 3 on Netflix October 4th. And if you have not picked up June's book, go and get it. It's called Represent, a woman's guide to running for office and changing the world. It is fantastic. Give it to a woman in your life who you think should run for office or if you are that woman, pick up the book and make sure you head on over to teapubble.com. We have amazing shirts, brand new shirts from the tour from our last couple of episodes. A lot of them are on sale right now. So definitely check that out at teapubble.com, slash stores, slash HDTGM and a big thanks to Avril Halley who helps us with all of our film choices. Nick Kylie does all of our research. Molly Reynolds, who just chipped in this week and took a lot of information and gave it to me right before the show. Devon, who of course is engineering this entire thing. Cody, one of our producers and everybody here at Your Wolf. We appreciate you. Make sure that we hear your voices next week on the mini episode. You can give us a call at 619 Paul Ask. That's 619 Paul Ask to hear what your thoughts about disclosure are or about your life. We want to hear from you on our mini episodes. 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