Episode 458 | Respect The Bubble

This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. I'm going to turn it off. Oh, I'll go. For what? My focus on it. You think I just be like looking at the map. You're not the only person with my location. Oh, you turn it off. For everybody. Okay. I thought I feel better now. Yeah. Way better. I thought you specifically was like, no, you can't have it. Is that because we just told my microcheating of air. Microlide. Microlide. Microlide. Microlide. Microlide. Microlide. What if I never get other set that to you? How would you feel? Never let them know your next move? Yes, you're like your boyfriend Your life partner never let you like Your next move is crazy Yo, you my boyfriend in all lab, but like nah, you can't know what I'm out the do not keep you guessing Yes, yeah, that is Now turn it off your location and uh, you know I've had I've had people have my location and then turn it off like I they were like you I have your location You sure you want me to have it? Mm-hmm Just because when I'm mad at you turn that bitch right off the game the things we do now is just so fun Mine job sitting in the crib chilling eating a pint of ice cream, but nah You text me and said why you turn your location off See baby these she like to start fires you would be like a little pyromatic. I didn't start fire I fanned that bitch. That's what you do But that's what you do relationships like you'll do something like I know he gonna start panicking or tripping If I turn this location off he gonna start thinking I'm Boom-bop-bop whatever right. I'm in the house. I'm paying the ice cream walk to TV But I want him to be panicking wherever he at you like to do things like that if you give me a sleepless night. I owe you several Hmm, that's sound like that's in the moment with that's on the moment on the wall like with interest or it can't just be an eye for not No, I know I for I bitch I know I just Make sure I got a preserve. I got a preserve the energy chill, man Maybe maybe I have a bitter outlook to the location thing because once a girl explained to me that she's switched her location from her iPad and left it at home like with her iCloud I was texting her iPad, but then she could leave with her phone in the location would stay with the iPad I'd need the it got to figure that shit out, but she's like yeah girls. We do it all the time So that's why I'm the location thing like don't even we don't even need to do that Because I'm already going in not trusting it It's tough me in the relationships, man Not if you in relationships with faithful people if you're a good person good shit happens to you. But who's faithful though There's plenty of people that are faithful What yet Because they ain't in this room right? Oh, don't do that. Don't put that on me Rory maybe but don't put that on me put that on Rory, but not me Everyone in this room is How do you know I'm single? I don't how we know he on text coal how we know he's like come on now Maybe he's so mashy on the why we text I know who you don't be text who I don't be text I might I know who you text and I know who you don't We don't figure out let me text your man. Let me text your main for baby. Didn't one time you should know she's so she could be like oh shit world Well, he he just text Abby. We're gonna find a way. We'll hack your iCloud. We'll figure it out Another password is Oh That's my password look at the password job putting on me. Yeah, I can see that. Oh god My mall is a fasting so if you see him laughing and stop himself from laughing. It's because he weak right now Yeah, I didn't I didn't wake up for so hold it this morning, so I didn't eat so now I'm on my whatever I have night. That's when I'm on right and you had some tummy problems the day before Yeah, I was yeah, you went into Ramadan like That's his point deal actually because it's like you get the fast you get the comedy Whatever's in your system get it out. I should flush all that out, but as I can't be like today I got it. I got an extra like preserve my energy differently today did uh did you do Ramadan last year? Uh did I I think I did I think I did it to you before yeah Because I know I definitely know this is the first time you've done it when you've been on this podcast I should go and relax you yeah, well, I think that's great and everyone um shouts everyone celebrating Ramadan Ramadan move but I yeah, and I know I know it can also be in in an annoying time for people just well I have my dad wanted to go down into postland. I said darn Ramadan. Don't well It's not gonna be the fun that you think it's gonna be during Ramadan. I mean, it's cool. Man, Ramadan is a great time No, I think it's incredible, but if you're going trying to go to Mexico to have fun with people that celebrate Ramadan You're not gonna have the fun that you think oh yeah, no, no, no, it's not it's not fun. No, it's just a different time It's time for being still and focus and yeah, you know things like that baby. These should do you should uh fast with me I should fast with you. Yeah, why not? Why until March 19? Yeah, what I'm fasting from anything you just pray for you know clarity and whatever you want Whatever you may be having going on energy in your life that you want you know It's just that's what it's for us. It's just kind of recently yourself. Sun up the sundown. Yeah Okay, it's not bad. I don't think about it. I mean, I've done you fast it a day without even trying before You've definitely gotten up didn't eat nothing and didn't eat until the sun went oh no for sure And then I've done Daniel fast like multiple times. So I usually start the month the month off for one Yeah, but that that's a significant amount of time and it the majority takes place the majority of it takes place during March My birthday month. Oh Yes, sometimes April 326. Well, no, when you're with you here 326 baby. Oh, you remember Well, I'm not 26 now. I can't forget your birthday. Oh I have malls half birthday. malls half as Paul has peaches. Mom's birthday. Yes me and peaches. So much synergy on the same day same year Me and peaches. Mom was born same day same year. Well, yeah, I think you should celebrate around down as well Peach we can figure out what we want to give up for lent whenever you're ready You know, yeah, let's start it though. You've been supposed to figure out what you wanted to give up He gave up lent for lent before he's what he nights He gave up lent for lent before he's gonna say let's say like I lent is just really just white robin up Every white robin, yeah, we can't have nothing boy. Yeah, we can't have nothing without y'all coming here Y'all come we'll do lent here come the Roman Catholics like oh, I like that thing you guys do it and let is always white You know that you know you ever see lent like you never seen black like before like black link who's saying black with depends the fit Yeah, well does if you have this this this material. I mean this brown, but you can get them in black. There's there's black lent on these yeah Anyways, how's everyone's uh we we've been Mall we have not gotten a single day off of recording this week. No man. What's what we do baby? This is what we do Tuesday outside of the the prince podcast that we're producing we did go on a maths podcast. Yeah Shout out to math hot for and guys at the shop man had a good time good conversation With the fellas man. Yeah, thank you. That's how they're like kick it What you know a barbershop full of the fellas. Yeah, and then it was one of those environments where we Shopted up for two hours before we got on camera and then four hours after we stopped recording It was one of those days was we didn't leave two about two in a morning something like that. Yeah, yeah It was so it was so late. I had to go through a statin island to get home. Yeah, that's how you know us That's how you know it's way past your It's like oh the verisano I see what's going on man. It's the scenic route. Here we go. Let's do it. Oh, but yeah, thank thank you to math I don't know the exact date, but I know he is putting out pretty soon So so it was a lot of fun. It was it was a lot of tequila flowing. It was it was nice to being like like real real New York Yeah, I'm not gonna say where he was, but like that's Those people have lived on that block for for 75 years. It's real New Yorkers Real New Yorkers. It was it was cool to be out there um You got a little heated at one point Didda not heated. Oh, that's the wrong word. Um, I didn't I didn't think uh, I didn't think the jada verse Drake Combo will get you off your square look at the combo Y'all need better shit to talk about no, we were just talking about you know because obviously it's rappers in the room As guys that just love hip-hop so obviously, you know, you start having those conversations and they landed on And this is when I like like I could feel like my soul kind of leaving the room a little bit Yeah, well somebody said jadikus has two classic albums and Drake has none And at that moment I knew I said you know what I get it in that life in that moment see it's the crazy baby. We did the things that bring clarity And that moment just hearing jadikus has two classic albums And Drake has none And that moment I thought to myself okay, this this makes sense Because now I understand more than ever that Everybody is just living in their own world. Yeah, welcome like we can sit here right now baby. They watch the same movie But we gonna feel different. We gonna see the movie differently. We gonna receive the message in the movie differently You said scar face was but the bad movie I think you're scar face. I mean that one of the most overrated movies ever But you know what I get it. I'm in this era. I'm in now. I'm going to start respecting people's Bubs your own world. That's your world. That's what y'all doing your world. That's how you I receive things in your world I have to start respecting I do a bad job at not respecting people's worlds. This I mean this is a breakthrough We should make this a clip. Yeah, how long have we been trying to explain to mall that he lives in his own bubble? You're right like mall not everyone sees things the way you're podcasting career. You're right. It's been trying to tell mall y'all that's your bubble. Listen I apologize y'all right. I'll tell you. It's a jade of kids verse Drake to get here Wow look at the things that breed clarity. I said you know what I get it in this moment This moment of clarity I understand so I apologize For pushing my world into your world baby D put put moment of clarity Jay Z Yeah, this is a moment of clarity this moment of honesty Right the world of failure true the world of film my From a hard knock like this in the case Listen if you feel like jade of kids has two classic albums and Drake has none Who am I though? Well once again, I was kind of and this is just good promo for the math podcast Give away the entire thing but once again, I was bubble crossing I was like you know in the circles and there's like that Yeah, cuz I think kids has classic albums and I think Drake has classic albums But that room was very spot was the only one that was on the border of like why can't we all just get it like They're both they're both incredible and sees right very split and I just felt like at that moment I turned into like one of the you know the the barbit the the hair chart that's hanging on a wall in barbershop I was that in that moment. I was just like Okay, so I get it. I listen. I'm just listening I'm observing and I'm trying to understand what everybody is saying and realize that our experience on this hair planet earth is all different But respectfully if you walked into that barbershop I think one of the first things you would think was in this bubble It looks like somebody would say kiss has classic albums, but Drake doesn't It felt like we walked into that bubble to begin with That didn't shock me as much as you know, and I don't think you think it's crazy that Someone would say jade kiss has classic solo albums. I think it was the follow-up of like with that said Nothing was the same as not a classic Drake had none That's so you say how you were like you know, I was split cool. I think they both do. I'm not mad at that But I just was like okay jaded to Drake none All right, they shout out my nigga Gucci. I know what that barber shop look like and I never even went in it It's a nice no I think you said about it. I'm not talking about the actual barbershop. I'm talking about the people in it Oh Colorways everything yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a lot of yeah, it was New York, it was New York throwing through for sure And I mean because it was a quote unquote the real like the real deep outer bro experience I was not aware that that math rolled around with that many tough whites Yeah, math got all the white goons in New York City behind him. I'd be scared of math outside of math We've seen how math operates on his own. He doesn't need a lot of help but Knowing that you got the tough whites behind you too Yeah, I don't know man that that made math 10 times scarier, but that's what hip-hop hip-hop it does though You know it brings it brings all you know cultures together all races together. It's just you know something that we all Especially in New York City. We say hip-hop say hip-hop world New York City and anytime you run into somebody and that that part of Brooklyn with fighting Irish tattoos on their neck You should be petri-pot. Yeah, absolutely Like really scared shut out the math off in the guzzet to shot man. Shout dutchy. Yeah Did you yell at them how you be yelling at me? Yeah, if I was if I would have looked at you and said Drake has doesn't have any classic albums Which I do not believe I believe Drake has classic albums. But if I was to look at you and say that you would yell at me Not yes, he baby D. I'm you know raised your voice and yelling but not in a like Confetti if I've ever yelled at you baby D. I'm sorry. I'm like you know we record this. I'm sorry If I've ever I apologize. I wasn't yelling at you. I was yelling her bubble. I would know. I was I wasn't yelling at her bubbles I was yelling at the conversation. It was the conversation. It wasn't you Pesticone you are part of the conversation But it wasn't you that I was yelling that and if you've ever felt like I was yelling at you baby D Apologize. I was not yelling at I would never yell at you today's day three or Ramadan No, yeah, I don't know what they are the day two day two Yeah, let's see where malls at at day seven with all this this kumbai yasha. No, man It's hard to get more ear. I think they they they 15 might be his breaking boys. No, I listen. I understand I understand I get it I'm respecting people's bubbles. That's what I'm doing from now on. Oh Okay, no, I'm not mad at I respect your bubble or respect baby these bubble P's I respect your but love your bubble Yeah It's not he's got a bubble See how y'all made it's me and Michael Jordan that y'all make you weird about see you did's why you make it Michael T was weird wasn't weird man y'all are just weird the world is weird. That's what sorry I'm respecting people's bubbles. Yeah, your bubble is different from Michael Jordan's bubble Yeah, you're more of a NASCAR bubble. Yeah, that's yeah, I got that totally connect the bubbles Um, all right. How are you uh celebrating this this weekend with Ramadan? What is week? It's my nephew's birthday shout out to my nephew. I can't call him nugget no more. He told me I can't call him nugget because he'll be 10 now Yeah, yeah, so I got to call it Now his name is I got to call him big aunt So shout out to my nephew big aunt happy birthday. I love you Spending a week in my nephew. He's probably he's the most mature 10 year old. He's probably gonna go fishing and go play golf Oh, no, I see I see them on Instagram playing golf. Yeah, he wants to he's probably gonna want to do that. So I'm gonna be a yeah So I'll probably do that with them. I'll probably just go fishing and play some golf with him. You driving? No, I'll fly now. I will never drive to Virginia getting in my life once I see how so I quick that flight was 37 minutes I'm not sitting on a roll for six hours. No, I'm not doing that. Yeah, I'm DMV traffic. It's a soul. They get a never doing that again The mayor was just saying that because she was saying if there was like, you know, an available seat she would go down to Yeah, to Baby, what you got going on? She was inquired like you think she was just asking a question for the podcast What bubble you going down to see it in the DMV? What bubble you going down there to see Virginia you on bubble seeing Go see bubbles in the in the DMV. I love the bubbles down there. She is she is family in Virginia. Yeah All got family Virginia. We all black. We all got family. Yo, everybody got family in we all got family with you. Definitely So yeah, that's what I'm doing this weekend. I'll be with my nephew. Peace. Peace. We already don't have none Oh, you got family with you See I had one great uncle enrichment Virginia and that you go with the only family now the fuck he ended up then that's He wasn't like with the rest it was just he just went there. I don't mean Like he was sending cars to share. I'm like, huh, how come like I never was I he lives in Richmond, Virginia. I'm like, okay. That's all right He down there. Well, I think he's dead now. Oh, oh, she's the big one. He was my great uncle. He's old But yeah, I mean, I never got to like hang with him and enrichment. But yeah, I do love the state of Virginia Jane is a great time. Love with you. Um, oh, yeah, that that should be fun. Yeah, that's something to do man I'll be on the golf course. Hopefully it's the weather is I and Fishing and you know, whatever else big ant once I got to call him big And I got a clean nephew. My ten year old nephew big ant now. This is crazy. I love that Money's in town this weekend. I know foggy has a release party on Saturday I was actually gonna say to come with me to that but I know you're gonna Yeah, he texted. Yeah, when when is it Sunday, right? I think it's Saturday. I'll trip. Yeah, he texted me out I read I was like damn like and it's funny because foggy we always do that Like when he's in New York like he have something to show you hit me I'm like bro, why do we keep like one time he hit me was in New York and we was in DC I mean you from here how you go up and we we now we in DC like this weekend So shout out to foggy though like he definitely hit me and invited me to his it's a foes album No, his project actually comes out um on the 27th with no due respect as the title. Oh, he's next next Friday Yeah, next Friday, but he's doing the the New York run right now He put out the features today or a blog did rather Leisha Keith swizz Arilandix Larry June Harry fraud and your guy John Legend It's a big a lecture for for a first album. I'm respecting John Legend's book Respecting John Legend. Yeah, but I'm excited for his project Um, we also get baby keen tomorrow. I mean if you're listening to this it is out now casino We made our predictions, but I'm that's what I'm excited for I'm looking forward to the came and looking for looking forward to see what he did with this project Like you like you guys spoke to her. He is a an artist that I think we all anticipate History, Jack three. What's what he's gonna do? What he's gonna sound like um, so yeah, it's gonna be interesting Listen to that if you're well When you're hearing this we we are currently listening to that um, we also get which I I'm just out the loop and my apologies to hip-hop in general Larry June currency and the alchemist are putting out album and I oh, I didn't call it spiral staircase But I just think I got the loop man some more luxurious music and it luxurious rock once I was ran out of Twitter man I feel like I missed a lot of releases because like my Instagram algorithms aren't really like The way my Twitter algorithms were. Yeah, Twitter had was way more music Hip-hop related than than what I do is that bitches. No, it's honestly all kids shit and audors. It's audors and kids shit Hello, I just found a way to my algorithm like The people that own audors and just go swimming with them and just feed them like frozen fish sticks level I respect the outer bubbles. Well, I mean, I know Demaris knows about me But you know, that is my my favorite animal like lifelong. I have like a weird otter obsession really. Yeah No, it's like really like one of my hobbies is just watching otters Like I'll go to Staten Island Zoo in the summer time and just watch the otters. I Know it's kind of serial killer baby. I'm just I've even like research. You know you can own a otter in New Jersey I just don't like with my bathtub. It's just not it's an urban environment. I wouldn't want to do that to an otter Yeah, it'd be like I'd be a good otter dad, but no, I just I feel like an otter needs some more space Yeah, but no, that's that's a dream of mine is to own an otter like one day. I never knew that about you I'm really an otter. Wow. All right, respect it. Out of bubbles Maldives that's mostly my algorithm. I respect it. Listen, I love otters. Very unique animal for sure Do you think 2026 has the potential to be close to 2016 with like music because we getting some rap We're getting some really good music. We got some good R&B as well I'm not mad at the start the 2026 is off to as far as the music. I'm not mad at that Like it's a lot of dope music out right now like I'm not I but to say 2016 to me that's like What is it like you see Haley's comment every fucking 20 generations or something like I just don't know if you're ever gonna get All the stars Pun intended to align and all put out some of their best work in one year Yeah, like every a list artist and legend and icon now put out some of their best work there You I just don't know that's it's ever gonna align that way But even if it's not the legends Even if we get some of the newer artists, but they put out good albums. I thought last year was an incredible Yeah, yeah, I'm not I'm not mad at that, but I that's what I'm saying last year was good for music And I think that 26 is off to a good start. We're in February and I think we have some really good music Yeah, and I'm looking forward to Larry June currency. I'll come is always looking forward to Larry June Bronx legend low TJ Shout low TJ just saying I mean shit if we get in TJ tomorrow, it could be like 2016. I don't know So that could be his his st. Pablo. It could be I could respect little TJ's like a beat is lemonade absolutely We also get a sissy single save the day, which I think is attached to a movie Tidal and Leon Thomas have been teasing this song for about two weeks now miss you to looking forward to hearing that reason put out An EP don't play with my heart. Shout out my nigga. We get the first Yeba I guess single for her project yellow eyes and I love Yeba so happy Michael Jordan like that Was she saying yellow eyes? It took me a quick And I was like oh yellow yeah trying to kill MJ for the whole Daytona thing you couldn't see right there Now a little sudden you have a dropping yellow eyes. Yeah, come on. Yeah, but don't do that respect MJ's Daytona bubble Don't do that yellow eyes tell realize Yeah, yeah, I realize real eyes Ladies if you see a nigga with yellow eyes we're on far away. We're on far away bro. Why? Cause that nigga needs a liver cleanse And he's gonna die early and he got she done you before he do it Well, that's because he's dealing with addiction. Yeah, if he has some money, you know, he's gonna die quick And maybe you get in there so it's not that crazy of a time investment and you want to know when yellow eyes don't got life insurance Other than Michael Jordan Well Michael we joking Michael Jones eyes aren't yellow. They like Konyak Because of the Konyak A lot of Konyaks most a lot of cigars MJ's in great health. I'm pretty sure he get the IV every other night. Like he's cool He's good. Well, yes that athletic ability your body is can probably handle honey No, you're a better than the rest. Well, you're a billionaire. Oh, yeah, he'll be fine in the athlete like you're an athlete first He's probably on like his seventh liver. Yeah, come on MJ The amount of billionaires that probably get like different Like organ transplants without us even knowing yeah, you think might you think Michael Jordan don't have livers like the he has sneakers probably on his sixth heart Oh, yeah, the Jordan brand livers Y'all know nothing about the Jordan brand livers dog. See, that's the problem. You could party all week And then you just go get a new liver. Yeah, I'm on SMJ dog From the white woman that your David Oh, wait, no, what's the kid needs you can only give kidneys. Yeah, you can't give someone your liver You can do a um Liberty just take a little slice. Oh, yeah, yeah, and because the liver regenerates itself. Oh, he MJ got wild livers The the livers rejuvenate themselves regenerate regenerate a young white woman snakes in Kind of yeah, you know, yeah, you can do you can do a partial liver Family I think MJ got the kind of caterpillar and becomes to caterpillar That's MJ that's big Mike. Yeah, I tripping man leave Mike alone Well, oh, Mike Thank you. We didn't call him that we just said the video is weird Which I think is a nation. I think in our bubble. It's okay to say that. No, no You niggas went and figured out his middle name was Jeffrey and they tried to tie him. It's his mother shit I saw you niggas on Twitter. Who had to figure that out? I knew that face gem Yeah, but I mean they they was like looking they're a circle the middle name Jeffrey and then the times they were living in They tried to attack so now every niggas name Jeffrey is a pet of all I'm saying this is what they try and do that to our legends. See what they try and do It's crazy respect MJ's bubble man More finally you have the most powerful iPhone of all time it only took an entire year and thank god boost mobile is proving that you don't have to overpay For great wireless unlocks savings with the $25 a month for ever unlimited plan It's a permanent price with no contracts no price hikes you keep your phone and your number But you save up to six hundred dollars a year Compared to the major carriers listen worry based on average annual single-line payment of 18t for rising the team mobile Customers compared to 12 months on the boost mobile unlimited plan as of January 2026 For full offer details visit boost mobile dot com Well no, I did not see the day where Michael Jordan we be compared to Jeffrey Epstein just based off his middle name But I also never thought I'd see the day where LaRussell was the bad guy of the industry. Yo, man This is listen how many days when he become the Lord Jamar of the music industry how many days has LaRussell been the main character on online now This he's pushing almost a week Yeah, he's the main character on the weekend is on online you only the main character maybe for a day or two like he's at day five right now But I mean a lot of that was LaRussell's fault and whether this is what he's doing purposely or not he just He's the one not letting it go People would would have let it go He's tweeting every day. He's putting out freestyle's he's bringing up a new points like and another thing yeah like at one of them like And here I Fuck with LaRussell. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he have a pinnacle Wayne at this point though I think you may be doing more more damage For online perception. He's gonna be fine man. He's gonna be fine him and him and Wayne about the drop of record I see how this is gonna go. I hope they put out a record with no substance Like called no substance Good Wayne had no feelings right Yeah, no substance LaRussell tweeted telling a rapper to stop talking and rap is the same as telling a nigga to shut up and dribble Laughing face laughing face we quickly become the same oppressors. We so call hey I don't have to make a hit song or rap because I said some shit that you didn't agree with I don't have to now prove myself worthy of all I've earned because you don't like me bitch god made me Bitch god. I never seen bitch god right next to each other. I think it's mostly bitch comma god made me yeah, or he could have said god made me bitch punk bitch yeah punk bitch just to know that he knows Yeah substance. I mean LaRussell is right though Like that he is correctly, but and in this as again nothing to do with with the joke I was making about LaRussell commenting on my douchey shit. I do like when artists do get backlash for their opinions now because artists are doing more podcast more like their own content I like to see this because y'all have been killing us For a decade for having an in opinion. Mm-hmm not even disrespectful ones just just music opinions the way art should be critiqued And then I love and I'm not saying this LaRussell specific But a lot of artists when they get a taste of their own shit. There's like wait. I can't have an opinion It's like no, that's what we've been trying to tell y'all this entire time. Yeah, we don't dislike you as people We're just being honest about how we feel about your music Everything has to be it's the greatest of all time Wayne has to be the greatest of all time right? I just can't say a single bad word about Do people understand that Wayne has said with LaRussell said That's why I don't understand why this is going like this many days Wayne has said that He is Keeps reminding people that he said it like just if he would just go quietly like there wouldn't be no I get that but if Wayne said that about himself and LaRussell is just saying with Wayne said why are people mad at LaRussell? Like that's the part I'm just having a I know that the internet is a weird place But I'm just trying to understand why are so many like because we know Wayne has a he Yes Wayne has a hive. I could say we can say Wayne has a cult following at this point I understand that so I know we have a cult following you can't say anything about the person without the fan base Piling on you attacking you and you know we get that part but LaRussell doesn't seem to be affected by it is He knows who he is he knows what he meant He knows how he feels about Wayne how he holds him to a high regard as an MC as a rapper So he's having fun with this But when you just look at the optics and say okay, but what are people mad about that LaRussell said because literally Wayne has said the same thing Because now the the currency online and on podcasting and I'm not I'm not here to be a hypocrite I'm saying we're part of that bubble as well and in that world There is currency whether really be real currency or social currency off pretending to be outraged about basic music opinions Pretending to lose your mind because LaRussell doesn't think Wayne has a substance that he once thought he had when he was 16 Do I think Lil Wayne has substance Do I give a single fuck if LaRussell thinks the same thing no But I could pretend to be fucking outrage scream get a bunch of Wayne fans on my side And now I got a whole week of content. Mm-hmm Now I could be the president of the Wayne fan club and now everyone's gonna follow me and they'll be comments on this and Other stands will come out the fucking woodwork like fucking roaches and here we are. Yeah It's there's a lot of currency in becoming these stand leaders Mm-hmm over the last few years So yeah, it doesn't shock me that this has become like a thing Now now you look like the hero when you defend Wayne And I agree he had substance in LaRussell's wrong, but I don't care I don't give a fuck where you agree that who has substance. I think Lil Wayne has substance. Okay And even if Wayne says I don't have substance. I'm disagreeing with the artist that's writing the music. Okay You have substance, bro. You've had substance. You have a lot of bullshit. Of course you have that, but you also have 10,000 mixed tapes There's gonna be some bullshit, but you have substance But I don't care if LaRussell thinks otherwise and I don't think LaRussell gives a fuck that I think otherwise Mm-hmm. We just ought to pretend like we do Listen man, LaRussell if LaRussell has proven anything. He's self-sustaining. He'll be he's literally literally created his own bubble He worked created his own world community everything created his own community Um, and I think this is interesting when he decides to you know sign a deal with a I guess you can call rock nation a major It is right you depending on the deal structure that you do they do all they do also have just They distribution company that they opened so you do that so you come out of your bubble to kind of like You know integrate with The outside world per se and this is the first thing that happens soon as you soon as you lead the pagola Yeah, so would you leave your backyard soon as you step out of your bubble for one second This is what they do to you. Yeah, and I think a lot of times um A lot of fans because I saw LaRussell getting flack before the Wayne thing But just signing with with rock nation because he was very open about turning down a deal with rock nation a few years ago When rock nations whole structure was drastically different. Well, he said there was no numbers at that The first contract so um, and I think a lot of fans rightfully so get attached to a Artist that preaches independence preaches doing things on your own promotes that type of positive things for creators and artists I think it's important that fans do attach themselves to that But I think sometimes fans and listeners can be misinformed To somebody taking that business model and trying to elevate it and now they're looking at you like a hypocrite because you don't fully understand the business LaRussell did not sell out Rock nation has drastically different deals now where you can Partner with somebody to elevate your message that you have already in a different way on more of a corporate side to get what you're doing Out of just your backyard like he's not supposed to elevate all right He's he's supposed to just just forever do the exact same business model Well, no, I mean well some people would say yeah, he should just you know continue doing what he was doing But he's still doing it though. No, he definitely he's still doing what he's doing Smash there still still has full creative control absolutely Now there's just a Partner that I mean he even said again before the Wayne thing He said after I signed with rock uh, I watched the amount of of placements and and blogs that were posting my records that it never posted before I'm not posting it And I know some fans Specifically like barbs or whatever would say that some evil rock nation thing It's just what a label or partner does With marketing that's just literally one oh one marketing in any business Yeah, now what la Russell is doing in his backyard Can be elevated to the rest of the world with a partner like rock nation They have the connections to boost that shit out there not fake bots or boost numbers But get your message out there. There's nothing wrong with that I spent you name a positive message. I think it's worse when if you had a negative one Yeah, what's wrong with him to elevate in that way but Also puts you on front street and now you had an opinion that you probably didn't even think before you even got on the microphone And now that's that's the catch 22 of it Now you're in everyone's face the same dumb shit So versus we all need to see The Pagola versus the front porch Different platforms As I also that's not um not to say la Russell Hasn't brought guests. I feel like even like snoop has been back there like He's brought guests there, but Nucci with front point like most of that is guest-based Whereas la Russell is a lot of time him and his neighborhood in his community Yeah, no, I'll get it But I'm just saying like I first of all shout out to with both of those in them and they've built them with it Incredible, but when I say versus me and like I love what both of them have done like I want to see Who's gonna be at the Pagola with with Russell? I want to see who newt she is bringing to the front porch So yes the front porch is definitely guest-based But La Russell has had some big name. Oh, yeah, Pagola like I'm gonna make it clear to Nucci started front porch with his own music Yeah, that wasn't like yeah, I'm trying to do my version of outdoor tiny desk or some shit. Yeah That was his she was putting his music out and it caught and then he was like, well shit Let me have some other people up here. Yeah, and make it a jam session and it turned into what it turned into So I just the versus would be Debbie Tufto Like a list a list a list shit down the front porch. Yeah And we made it out there. I think that's the game changer But we was told we listen Russell. We still want to go to the Pagola. We wanted to go and talk about it Yeah, we were talking about years ago never made it happen, but at some point I'm definitely definitely I'm gonna I'm gonna make it to the Pagola absolutely. Yeah, I got a got to make it to the house literally that La Russell has built Yeah, I guess before we get off music and nerd shit. Did you got CD even UMG partnership? I seen them talking about it online. I seen a reason had Some some things to say about it. I think I saw when he retweeted it Um, what a reason why he was kind of confused like like I so what is this like Um, yeah, I mean, there's still needs to be a bit more information coming out with what their partnership means exactly, but it's It's the majors pivoting to direct to consumer. It's it's What we do with patreon going directly to the people that listen that want to pay just for you whereas oh these are the labels playing ketchup again Yeah, got it. Okay. Yeah, that's what you had to say the same way when they played catch up with streaming And then because they had the catalog they could own it and now us as consumers are like Do I pain 20 bucks for this shit, but I only listen to two artists. I'd rather give my 20 dollars to the two artists that I fuck with I don't want to give it to Spotify to have the whole catalog of music I'd rather my money go to the this goes back to the stand culture we were talking about stand cultures become so prominent in Everything has its positives and negatives, but I think platforms like even or patreon or anyone that goes direct to consumer with a paywall that you can pick is great For the stand coach. That's the positive part of stand culture people will really support these artists They don't need anything else. Yeah, it's labels playing catch up with With direct consumer. Okay, that's that's really all The entire thing is I don't know exactly how they're gonna pivot it or like If all UMG artists are now gonna have their own even account, but like you know calls used even like it's it's a big platform But I guess I just didn't see the outrage because I've seen plenty of Major sign other independent companies the sub labels and says I don't think it's any different than that Can you break it down just a little bit more because I'm sure there's a lot of people that don't know what even is So yeah, they would have was I assume a lot of people That listen to this show know what patreon is it's it's a paywall where we can set different tiers for different prices We can tell you what you get for this This amount of content for this price even is it's pretty much the same thing with music If I want to put a record out to my fans a month in advance before it hits TSP's that's a option I can do It's really just a direct to consumer Option for for your music shout out to shooter shout out to rock marcy Shout out to those guys like that hat that I've been doing is yeah type of thing for years Direct to consumer with their fan base um and this is again. This is just essentially the majors Now getting into that now before with before with even you had to have only if you want to go to direct to consumer You had to own all of that content order to give it to the consumer for a price now UMG is allowing that catalog to be used so like if you are releasing something that is gonna be under UMG If a fan wanted to get it early You can still do that where before you couldn't because UMG owns it either way UMG is getting a cut Yeah, and wait this back catalog like or just no no no All right for for example, uh, I don't want to use the the artist name but uh artists that that we all love that maybe Live near de merissa one point in her entire life. Mm-hmm. He got into a problem with Even and even ended up getting sued because that artist Old another label a project and he put that project out on even without permission to do so So even has ran into a lot of different lawsuits some you can research on your own I'm not gonna get into it, but most of them have been catalog based or artists trying to utilize even When they're already in a deal with somebody else. Mm-hmm. So you're technically selling Music that a major or whatever independent label you have is entitled to but you're putting it over here on even Yeah, it's like it's Similar if if we have something with Netflix and put it on a picture like it's that same thing mm-hmm now When you partner with UMG, I assume even would probably prefer that Because now I'm not gonna have as many lawsuits and I have a partner with More artists that would be seamless in trying to get music out. Yeah, if we're all friends here Then we can all utilize this platform the best way we can instead of fighting With artist labels when they're trying to put shit on your platform. So it's a smart business move on even Mm-hmm, and that's a that's another thing kind of full circle to the lyrussel thing I saw a lot of artists mad with even like evens supposed to be fighting your independent fight Everyone is in this business to make money as well And I don't think even for the good of the culture wants to get sued every day and not be able to grow their company and also make money Yeah, I hear y'all but not not everything is revolutionary some people just come in this business to make money That is a fact like just cuz where independent doesn't mean I'm not here to turn a profit mm-hmm Like this isn't a 5013 C dog. Yeah, I want to make money. Yeah, I'm here to make money And if if that has to do with with changing with the times and I'm sure Spotify didn't want to fucking partner with Sony and Universal But you got the you got the catalog. I got no choice. Yeah I could just be a hero in Sweden for a couple hundred thousand people or I could grow it to be the biggest DSP ever mm-hmm Which would you pick makes sense to me listen to this business It's business. That's better understand. So it's all upon business And I get why fans art versus commerce. I'm one of those people too where it's fucked up But this is also people's job. Mm-hmm. They not everything is for the love of of of the culture So we just know what I mean Most of everything most things aren't for the love of the culture like dude Did I love what nipsy did with a hundred dollar mixtape? Absolutely incredible great for the culture I was a staple it did prove a model at a time was amazing Nipsy also made a lot of fucking money, and I'm sure he was happy about absolutely. I'm sure he was like you know what nah nah Give that give that to hip-hop yeah, yeah, yeah, not give that to hip-hop You know, I'm saying get that to hip-hop Jay's you don't give me ten thousand dollars for one of my mixtape. I don't need that yeah, yeah, I bet Yeah, you wish all this would say yeah, I think LaRussell wants to make money like the rest of us too Absolutely you can balance it as you should um, I've never had a real issue with Demaris until she typed this um On our screen the baby dropped a new album coming off a hot single Demaris I'm sorry I'm respecting The bubble the baby dropped a new album coming off a hot single it blazing hip-hop an army now can I ask the question that scorching you and I probably want to know the answer to What was the name of the same Pop it from my second I like the baby. I just think the term hot singing. I love the baby But I just didn't know the single that I don't know either pop that thing Pop that thing. Yeah, we play real quick just do pause because I'm trying to see if I've heard it before yep All right, no, I have not heard that scorching new single. I do like it um and don't take this as any Fact this is just my opinion with my algorithms I'm not saying this effect. I've started to notice. I feel like the baby's blackboard I feel like he's kind of kicked out the algorithm. It's like I should know that the baby has a single out Like I keep up with with his music I wouldn't say I'm a diehard fan by any means, but I am a casual fan that would at least know you're putting out a single ampay attention to shit that I don't even care about Well, do you follow the baby on any social media sites? No, no Instagram. That's why I said a lot of my shape with Twitter was all hip hop stuff and Instagram. I like I'm not gonna follow I wouldn't expect the baby to follow me either like I discover all new music on TikTok So the reason why I said hot single is because that song is huge on TikTok Same as the juvenile song that you guys had I heard about that juvenile record is fire BBB is big on TikTok that record is so that's where I discover almost all new music now because unless you Care at your Instagram feed perfectly. You're not gonna discover new content on Instagram. I just feel like Outside of the fake canceling of the baby and other shit that was going on of course. I knew he wouldn't be As in our face as before. I just feel like He's some form of blackboard. This happened like he's not in anything that that I see He's been saying that he's black wall for a while I also think it just might be that once you become unlikable to the masses Whether you earned it or not once you become unlikable to the masses nobody's gonna report on you because don't We cares. Netanyahu is probably the most reported on person in the world My bad I'm sorry. I apologize. Hey my bubble my bubble What's wrong with you? But no, I like I liked that the baby's putting out music Um Shit sometimes he'll end up being in my YouTube algorithms when he's cooking food But it's not it's not wrapping He just had recently had a interview um I will have to look at who the gentleman was but he had an interview He's doubling down on his comments basically what he was saying is that his comments that he said about like you know Show your phone if you're not sucking dick in a parking lot or if you don't got hiv aides and things like that He said that if like Kanye says stuff like that all the time and like you know Kanye does what he does and gets out of it He said but because he's the baby and he's a household name like he can't get Wait, wait, wait, I just I get it. I want to make sure that your paraphrases is correctly. I am I don't want to that's what he said He's one of shit only baby right now if he didn't say that because that's the craziest statement I've ever He said see the thing is this and I'm glad to marriage just said She said because I didn't even know the baby said that and Rory can attest to this. I'll fuck with the baby Been saying his praises for years. I think the problem The problem is I don't think the baby has shown much growth musically And I think that's part of the problems because you can say something and be quote-unquote cancel and all it is and But like you say Kanye could say something and you know Kanye has said the craziest of the crazy things But the difference is Kanye's talent level and the music is always Going to bring people back to the table to listen to it and to support it because it's just that good the talent and the art is that good So why the baby maybe black ball in certain circles and You know people in his fan base, you know might not you know Be they might be mad at him, but I'm a firm believer in the only people that cancel you are people that never truly supported you Like when people support you Because they know you they know you know, you're you're demeanor. They know, you know the type of person You are you could say things that's kind of like I that was wow But because your fans and your people know you and support you they know that you know, you just had a bad moment But they're not going to cancel you and never support you again Like so, you know, I get what the baby's saying he may he may have a right to feel like he's being black ball Maybe he's not invited in the same rooms. He was invited number four He may not be invited back to the Grammys for a while. He might not be invited back to you know Jay Leno or whatever he was at before his common mainstream mainstream But your fans when it comes to streaming your music and coming to your show They're not canceling you for what you said your fans are not canceling you for is it possible? He didn't build He didn't have enough time building the cult fan base to avoid that Yeah, I don't think no you have to build yet. He doesn't have a cult fan base in order to do that No, otherwise you have a fan base full of casual fans So then when you get canceled they're not standing by you because they were casual fans. I like the baby, but he hasn't put out the type of art that would Attain or acquire a cult fan base Like that's the day you got a you get into a different level of art and different level of talent when you talk about cult fan base like it's just a different it takes a different thing to break through that ceiling of I don't have a cult following well No, it doesn't always have to be talent because you know We have spoken about artists who we don't think are that talented that have a cult fan base that has gotten them Very very successful like they'll be at every show of the niggas just send their screaming demon True because playboy cardic is exactly what the baby said and he's his streaming and everything Yeah, there'll be a number one album It will still be the cult fan base. I think takes time and consistency And I don't think that the baby had all of that before he Did what he did now his trajectory before that He was definitely trending up. Oh for sure. I think both bubbles can be true because Both things can be true there that he didn't really evolve with his music But that shit happened before he had the chance to even do so and if you're not evolving with your music And you're also not quote unquote likable Now both things are fucked up because I think to your point. Yes, you don't get canceled But if you're also not evolving to create a core fan base And now you're unlikable mm-hmm the casual fan even if they don't care about what you said you may not be in their albums anymore Because baby was was very much a Streaming artist. Yeah Big on Spotify big on YouTube. I think he could have got there like the Kirk out I thought I had substance on it. I think his He was on his way to being one of the best of visual Artists with music videos of of that era and yeah, I do think that definitely affected it I don't think it canceled the baby But he was on his way to starting to to create a fan base And then when you become unlikable to mainstream you're not in everyone's faces and they're moving on other shit In this in this same interview he was talking about how like I'm not changing for nobody I'm not this like it's whatever like he was just kind of like doubling down on it like I am who I am I'm gonna just clean shit up. I'm not cleaning shit up And the thing is like I hear you But then you can't complain about being just blackboard because it's not just the industry that our blackball you You kind of you had a good two years where you did a lot of shit at the wrong moments that rubbed multiple people wrong Like your rap artists if you just attack the gay community like eventually you'll be fine right every day They're every rapper has attacked the gay community at one point But then you also have all this shit going on with chewing your baby mother That's like doesn't look that great and then at the same time You bring Torian stage when he's in the hot seat right so now you don't piss the women all your Pista Gays off you and Pista women off You then you go and make a song when Megan's going through all her shit saying oh same night She said she got shot by Torian fucking Megan the stallion. It was just too much combined lame shit at once And that's that's on the PR side also on the liability side you have to remember Baby whether he was right or wrong of people touching them at the club or whatever it felt like for three months straight He was who people ask like every event he was hosting somebody was getting punched like No, I'm not the I'm not doing this like you too much of a liability Yeah, that's that's I'm whether he's protecting himself or not. I'm not here to debate that Because I think that's unfair. I don't know how he felt at the time if he felt like he was being threatened And needed to react. I'm not here to debate that but when it Every fucking headline every time you host something or every time after a fucking festival You are your security is knocking somebody the fuck out Yeah, you're not gonna be you're not gonna be at the festivals like you were before Yeah, it was just too much at once like you can say everybody says this like a little shit every once in a while But like you just had too much at once when you were at like the height of your career And then you continue to like double down on it. There's no like I'm sorry There's no and I get that but now you got to deal with the consequences of those actions. You can be the bad guy But that that art better be fucking incredible Yeah, you can be the villain. So I'm saying if it doesn't evolve you can't also be dislike right You can be the villain But you gotta be putting out art that's undeniable It got to be at a certain level at all times and that's just the reality of it because I I feel with the baby saying you got dudes out here that You know got sexual assault on them. Got all kind of shit on them still doing shows selling out Parinas selling album streaming out streaming well So I understand what he's saying this is a lot a lot of people out here that have shit on them. That's like You know would be deemed worse than what the baby did or said right hell yeah But again, I get it. I'm on the side of the baby. I understand what he's saying. It's like because okay I said that yeah, I shouldn't have said that. That was a mistake But I ain't got no essay on my jacket though And this dudes with essays all over the jackets like a mother fucking high school classroom And they just out here winning And can't you know where getting all the looks and you know lose a show get a show back You know saying like but I think that kind of speaks to the the Point we were all making with the tornado shit that happened with the baby because that's the irony of cancel culture Everyone appears Like they care in the moment that much But most people don't Give a fuck enough to even know about your essay cases or whatever like I'm not putting anything on code act Because I don't know a lot about that case But even if you'd asked like the regular casual code act fan they probably know nothing about that case But the baby if he would have just said yo make some noise if you didn't suck your man's dick in the parking lot And that's all he did Mm-hmm we would not be having this conversation right now. Yeah, it was the amount of things that kept piling on doubling down Code act went to jail and most people didn't even fucking know until somebody said free code act And he's a huge artist casual fans don't know that much about your personal life. Yeah, we're podcasters We fucking no way more than most people because this is our job in obsession The regular person listen to code act I guarantee you couldn't tell you much about that case and every single time you do something new They're gonna bring up the old shit too. So now it's just like it just keeps getting rehashed and rehashed That's why I was I think the baby makes even still like I know you guys say there's been no growth But like this song the song was sexy red like I think that those are like ass shaking music you see what I'm saying So I think he could do fine, but every time he gets another opportunity where we don't forgot for a little bit He come back put some hot shit out. He keeps doubling down our old situations if you're gonna go to interviews Tell them to stop asking about that shit. Yeah, especially if your answer's not gonna change you're not gonna apologize Tell them stop asking you And again, I always felt like he was talking about somebody specific not a community Yeah, well, it's common Some people talking about somebody's specific. Oh, no, I think that happened that day I think somebody was sucking dick in that parking lot Well, I mean, I think yeah, I think whoever was supposed to get that message heard that message that was not about a community That was about that it made no sense go listen that clip it makes no sense to just randomly yell that out That was about somebody that was backstage I have no if this was just my own 10 foil hack and sprinkle go listen that clip nobody would just blurk that out Nobody would literally like that's Tourette's nobody would literally just yell that out Yeah, how long that was about somebody backstage for sure From that mistaken 21. Yeah, I thought that was I thought it was before code No, it wasn't before because it was after it was after mega shot Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess yeah, when the world started to open up again Yeah, and also a crazy time not For the obvious with with Meg, but Meg and the baby were kind of like The the male and female counterparts of each other with singles Even some of the criticism you guys have similar like flows all the time COVID like when y'all were about to go on your run run it got weird and then obviously with Meg a whole separate Show he bought he snuck to Rio. Yeah, I'm stage that when Meg was there that was it was you did too much on my couple shit at once like yeah I hear that and but I'm sorry you still to Kanye in that and I think Kanye is said In the way more insane things than the baby has probably ever even thought It's just like oh, come on, though. What are we talking about We had Kanye for 20 years before he really lost his fucking mind. Yeah, but when you got the college dropout and Jesus walks and flashing lights You know, and they just say what Kanye said you gonna be at his show looking like Jay when Jay was like this and looking at the lights It's like my it's nigga God choice When you go you can't cancel this nigga bad you can't cancel Kanye like what are we talking about? It's all nasty 20 years of being loved Yeah, you get a few passes versus like 24 months of yeah Yeah, it's a different of great records, but the same flow like we could I can move on I really fuck with the baby But like I really I want to make that clear because I know that's that's something that I don't think the podcast world Gives the baby of how talented he is and the support. I think he's great and if he disappeared after that It like really got canceled. I like my life wouldn't have altered Like you take Kanye's catalog out a lot of our lives alter Not only that though, and I think we spoke to this around that time too like The one thing that I think people aren't Put taking into account when it comes to the baby is Here's somebody who's He has a lot of mental shit going on Like kill somebody in Walmart. Yeah, like somebody was trying to kill him if you know a robber in front of his family had to kill him His brother was killed. I believe like his father That's like here is there is clearly somebody here with a lot of PTSD a lot of like issues Who can probably turn into a very cold very I don't give a fuck with nobody thinks uh, you know like I can understand how somebody could have that energy on them Going through the things that you know the baby has has been through and I think that you know because somebody has a talent in his entertainer We kind of just put that to the back burner like nah you supposed to be this you know You supposed to get everything right and be this perfect person all the time. It's like This dude is clearly has some mental things going on like he's not we know I don't know if the baby is ever gotten therapy for that which is you know you kill somebody you definitely need to go to therapy Your brother gets killed You definitely need to go to therapy like You know we sometimes I feel like yes the baby says some things they shouldn't say he's human He made a mistake But you also have to understand here's somebody that we're talking about who is probably just not mentally as healthy as most people should be I think we just need to you know factored out into it the same time I understand what he said hurt some people I get that But fact into He's dealing with her he's dealing with trauma. He's dealing with his own shit mentally like no Add that into people when you have been doubling down for five years the mistake goes out the window You say you don't regret what you said and you will say it again the mistake goes out the window right I understand but do you understand that with that energy is rooted in all that energy is rooted in I don't give a fuck about with nobody got to say Because somebody tried to kill me or harm me and my family At one point I don't give a fuck it's me against the world It's easy to develop that energy when you go through shit like that. So I'm saying I'm not defending it I'm just saying As a black man in America looking at somebody like that and what he's been through And knowing people that have been through the type of shit the baby is been through I get it I understand how you get to point like my own give a fuck with nobody got to say niggas no nobody give a fuck about me I know how easy it is to develop that energy is all I'm saying so that's all I'm saying yeah baby Sometimes you just got to fact it at in as well that that perspective bleeds over into Yeah, yeah, everything My brain is now wired that way you put a mic in my hand right I just It doesn't excuse I'm not excusing it. I just understand it a little better than some people may understand it The Kirk Almond is my favorite baby album that intro pretty much speaks to everything that I shit as a baby fan before Kirk came out. I didn't even know the shit he went through That intro in the car got one was one of my favorite records of 2019 Like yeah, no, he's been through some some shit that you you have to at least Factor in I'm not saying the things he says are okay, but they're not literally harming people At that point we could stop what's going on like I get it in rap Gains to shit, you know, I kill you. I shoot y'all with a hostage bar. I witch it. Yeah, I get it. Not until you really do it Mm-hmm. Do you really know and understand what that does to you mentally and you know how it changes you and affects you I'm saying so Yeah, man factored that in a little bit when y'all talk about canceling people just Kind of factoring what they've been through in their real lives is all I'm saying. Yeah Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor hard rock bet which mall I don't even need to tell you Is Florida sports book you knew that already? Mm-hmm I know it's tough. 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We can do now We talked about him yesterday. Oh new and you got it. You gotta be take a look about the cams Ron bros. Yeah Oh, I'm here. You're right. Cam. If you would have said cam. I would have thought cam Ron. Yeah, I think you can do it. I'm sorry Um, I feel like we just talked about him on yesterday's episode. I told baby D. He's leaning into it He's leaning into that villain ever. So no, but this is this is how I'm not villain But I long before cam knew and cut the dreads off go ball How long before he getting to that you know that zone Where it's all the way I'm the villain now I don't know. I think the the dreads through the hat is his Joker aesthetic. No, he's got to stay That's the right to say that way. That's the right. She's gonna. Oh, that shit is more horrible I would hate him less if he had these balls That's that's the righteous villain. He's the righteous villain right now, but he's trending Right now he's trending Cam knew his original look at all about fair movies the villain was always bold like you know, say like we got it He's trending to cut it all off is what I'm saying He's saying things where it's like yeah, he bought to go all the way He bought to just go all the way like let me be the let me be the internet's bad guy Let me be the guy that everybody hates and they're like yo, this guy's it. He's an asshole Whatever he doesn't like when many doesn't respect women. He's misogynistic. I don't I see Cam Newton going all the way But what we were disagreeing about is you were like I said you stand up for people a lot in our previous episode We said you stand up for people and say he doesn't really think that he's just like being an entertainer And I'll be telling you two things can be true He can be leaning into it to be entertaining But he also believes this shit. Yeah, cuz he don't just put them talking points out decided his ass like he you can tell He stands on that shit. He believes it He's had those conversations a few times off. I'm like. Yeah. I don't think he's just doing that My who is his latest one so right now he's currently going viral because he said that women lose he was having a conversation with a woman Who? He said that's my issue. Why do women keep sitting with the stick it like y'all like a view women love abuse No, she was the reason why I took that deep breath is cuz she was over there agreeing with what the fuck he was saying So it's just like shit. I didn't know that okay proceed. She asked him She's like do you think women like lose well the number of the thing that she wasn't also like hating when she's getting Yeah, she's getting killed because she was saying she was like, you know I could never be a baby mother. That's why I like got married before I had a kid because I can never be a baby mother And they're like they in the comments telling her up like girl. I got married for I had this baby too Then I got divorced now suddenly. I'm a baby mother like it's like that happens all the time right And she asked him do you think women lose value every time they have a kid and he was like yeah He was like you the more kids you have like you lose value And he has nine with three different women So does he feel men lose value after they have kids enough of course not he just feels women lose value after they give birth Oh, no, Beyonce got three kids. Yeah, she she doing I Be seems to be doing I think the main thing was if you have kids with If you're single now and you have children Okay, if you're single if you're a single mom you lose value Yeah, he about to cut the dress though I mean, he had all that right you who's a rest in peace to the gentleman. What who's the guy that used to just Can't his my emails. Yeah, my friend brother Cam all you bitches. Oh, excuse me. Oh my god. You expect my respect respect both all Saniels my bad my bad Respect respect the bubbles you women with the things y'all said and did online with Kevin Sam you was died Just know that I ain't forget the tweets is all I'm saying Oh, they were not they were happy that he passed away. What yeah, that was a little that was crazy That did disagree with a lot of things Kevin Sam you'll said I didn't think he deserved to die Yo, I just I remember his all I'm saying I saw some tweets from some people and I was like yo y'all are crazy Okay, I didn't say anything when Kevin said I didn't I don't know Yeah, but you turned your music up into crib a little loud and had a couple glasses of wine. I'm never happy that anyone dies Right, especially what I will say is There has if you there's a lot of people that sometimes people feel like if we got them get these niggas off this earth Not that somebody deserves to die, but the same way how um doctor Umar said Some of you niggas got to be put down like some of you niggas can't go if we're gonna fix the issues We have in our black community some of you niggas need to be put down right. I'm sure some people felt like that some people felt like Men who have a reputation for hating women or being disrespectful to women if somebody got to live natural selection some people I don't die, so I can't I can't jack that because y'all be out here supporting dudes that don't like women That have done why I should do women and y'all still show up and support these but I think that I had one when people say that when they say y'all do this But do this I think the women that are supporting uh abusers and the people who are wishing Death on Kevin Samuels. I think those are two totally different types of women or two totally different audiences me personally I feel like that happens out of time they're like I saw y'all doing this Some of them being the same show is not all the same perk people is different types of people. Yeah, but some of them being the same shows Some of them yeah same shows same night They be watching they'll watch Kevin Samuels and get mad and then go to the show of the The somebody that they wait shitty or person that they do that. I'm not gonna say no name. Uh, I know I'm just saying we see it open apple music We see it is all I'm saying so it's like I which one is it Because I don't think I don't think I don't I'm not saying I don't think Kevin Samuels has ever done anything Uh disrespect for the women outside of be maybe brutally honest maybe you know say like listen you need to Your sing your single mom your your your your your your overweight You know, which means you probably don't take care of yourself like and you want a man that has all these things you need to be more realistic I don't think that that's that crazy And that's why I'm trying to say something to not be mean to cam Newton. I see he's going down that path and to your point Of people that have the mentality Kevin Samuels his clips about Shitting on men never went viral. No, he was pretty brutal to men as well He kept to even playing field at some point. I didn't agree with everything he said But he articulated every point whether you like this point or not cool at least he could articulate it Cam sometimes just be saying shit Like I think and I'm not comparing cam to like a fresh and fit or anything But even if I disagree with Kevin Samuels A Kevin Samuels is way more important than a fresh and fit or sometimes where cam lands in the middle when we're talking about these uh red pillish men Com like podcasts and in content Kevin Samuels was was not that bad Yeah, compared to where these things have have moved at least he sat there and articulated why he felt that way yeah instead of just saying shit to say it right it was mean And I disagreed a lot of time like you know you you are bugging like What a lot of times it was like Are you a victim or a volunteer stop calling in this motherfucker show to get abuse? Yeah, that's great I showed a have a man Rachel will tell you was wrong with you like I don't know You What's the difference between Kevin Samuels and pop the balloon There's a big difference. What's the difference Popped the balloon is a dating game. It's a game a game show okay Samuels was more intelligent Kevin Samuels wasn't trying to date these women so he's he was wrong for what he was saying well Everybody on pop the balloon doesn't say the same exact thing. They're all different people I can pull up episodes of pop the balloon with a woman is standing right there They're like why you pop the balloon? Yo listen yo, I don't like her feet. I don't like her head is wig I don't let she's overweight saying breaking them down. It's the same thing. I'm breaking this woman down in front of a camera I'm telling you what I see physically and I'm like I don't like that. I don't think that that's I don't I'm not into that What was the difference with Kevin Samuels was doing? I don't know I got at least at least he was more articulate At least he gave kind of like lead more towards You know, I guess numbers and stats when they came to Single women with women with kids and things like that like at least he used more that pop the balloon They just be up there like y'all now. I'm like you're fit. You know, I'm saying like you look crazy I like that. This woman is a nurse No kids like you know, it's like so my thing is what's the difference between Kevin Samuels and pop the balloon Kevin Samuels had a bigger platform When you have a big platform? I'm gonna penalize me because I didn't built my shit I'm I'm I'm trending up. So now y'all mad now when god call me home. You bitches is red white zippendale Y'all laughing tweeting shit like god don't play about like what I guess because I was an anti Kevin Samuels I support digs and in all Cap was put I still was not like the biggest fan of his but as time went where things are going It's similar to now where I'm like John McHen would have been a pretty good president now. I look where the fuck we at now Like no, I yo Kevin Samuels was not as bad as I fucking thought he was man. That guy was guy. He was kind of on point It's a guy and where to wear the shit went. I'm just saying. I'm so lucky to have Kevin Samuels It's got so much holy shit You know what I would love if we could bring John McHen back from the dead Oh my to run the Republican party Just saying just saying Kevin Samuels should be running all of red pill content right now because that shit is so off the fucking rails I thought and cam is teetering. I don't know if he's gonna go full But he's there and I know he believes what he believes is he gonna go extra To start getting crazy for content purposes Because he's also not out of his mind and what he's he's saying here because I also feel I know society views Wimp single women with a child and a single man with a child drastically different I totally understand that but I think my value drops as far as much as what I can offer as far as time to a relationship If I have a child. I think my value lowers as a man with a child So I don't think he's crazy in what he's saying But when you have nine kids with three different baby mothers Maybe sometimes you should just shut up when certain side topics come on Has Kevin Samuels ever called a woman out of her name? I don't I don't know I'm not I haven't studied you know he just always did it in a very sassy Like a lot of people thought Kevin Samuels was gay because it wasn't like you giving it advice to a woman It was like you enjoy like you're enjoying like breaking this woman down. I think that was what he got a lot of black backlash I can see that because it was very sad like when they found out he died with like a thick latina on top of him Everybody was like damn. I thought he was gay You gotta go out. Yeah, but I'm just I'm just more so I'm just trying to remember if I've ever seen him get into it with a woman and be like bitch get off the phone Call my name. I'm not sure. I don't know if I've ever seen that sometimes sometimes Not cursing doesn't mean you're not being meaner. You're not being Sometimes That's how you receive it That's how you receive in the honesty That's how you receive in it. I'm not being disrespectful because I'm being I guess brutally honest Mm-hmm. That doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful. We've had a conversation about The word brutally because brutally has a meaning like you can be honest without being brutally honest And I feel like once you get to Once you have a platform and you know that this is garnering you attention to your platform that brutally becomes entertainment So even though you may be talking to a human person you're purposely going out of your way to be brutally honest Mean for entertainment and that is where lines can get Would you want your therapist to be brutally honest with you? Not brutally. No I'm not paying you to be brutal to me You can be honest and you can get your point across without intentionally being me. Okay, but if I advertise my Therapy company as I'm going to be you know when you Telling you you will get brutal honesty you may not want to hear this. I'm gonna be truthful in my perspective of How society runs and who you are in this society and where your value level is at I feel I'm an expert at this. I have a degree. It's called brutally honest therapy.com You know what you sign enough for don't come and lay on my couch and be mad that I was brutally honest to you No, for sure But also so I think the people who was sign up are stupid right just like I think some people who go and have try to have certain conversations with Cam Newton are stupid right Um or expects that I won't say have certain conversations but have conversations with him and expect something out of him that they're not gonna get I think there's a level of stupidity in that that you're signing up for you can't be mad at Same thing with the people that I listen to him and get mad at the things he says But also at the same time that doesn't make you innocent of what you're doing just because somebody signed up for it Like you still have once you have a platform that large and you know that there are young men Looking up to you What you say there's not everybody is smart enough to realize that you're stupid So what you say has an effect so when you're trying to we're in an era of trying to raise men who respect women and value women You know that there are little boys who look up to you from football to the shit that you say You have to be held accountable for the shit that you're pushing but but to me that's the difference between Kevin Samuels And I don't want to be I don't want to be chemist I think I don't think Kevin Samuels goal was ever to get young men to hate women where I do think People like the fresh and fit guys that's that's their their insecure goal is to do so with 22 year old prostitutes in Miami as their example As that's if that's every woman in America. I don't think Kevin Samuels goal ever was to do that I think it was to be realistic with who you are as a person unless you want to change and become better This is where you add in life in my opinion and you could disagree these Kevin Samuels wasn't fucking god his opinion wasn't fact but people Called in for his opinion So he gave it which I think is fair I don't I never sat there and thought like The feeble minded impressionable young men are gonna look at this and go I should hate women I don't think that I think that with a lot of this other red pill bullshit, but I don't think that was Kevin He was just he was just kind of a fucking mean sassy bitch. Kevin Samuels had a lot whether it was his intention or not He definitely had a he was red pill bro and he had He looked at me he's the John McCain of where now you get to Magga Like That's what I think he was as fucking insane as red pill is now. Oh no, he was red pill 100% But yeah, not to the degree of what it is like I have these views for my party But they're off the rails now. No, I figured out what I'm gonna do. Well, I can't I'm gonna never this weekend But this coming red pill him. No, no, this coming off. Of course. No, I'm gonna go back through I'm gonna go back through the Kevin Samuels files man I'm gonna just go back through I'm gonna just binge Kevin Samuels files and just kind of like just There's so many better things you could do with your brain in your time. No, no because I It's something specific right now that I'm thinking about that I'm looking for in what he was doing And I just want to see if it's there. That's all Yeah, because I think I again, I think I think people just you know It became a cool thing to just kind of like hate him and you know Clap when he died and things like that like it was stupid, but I'm just looking for something in particular and I just want to see if it's there will always be and this is this is the thing like There will always be someone happy that someone died everybody has ops everybody has haters Everybody has like wow from was very good because he was up he was a pup a public figure respectfully It's gonna be niggas that clap when you die. Okay. There's gonna be niggas that clap when I die like wait You know, I'm saying like it that happens when you're a public figure and you enter into the arena And sometimes you gonna say shit that people disagree with it it happens I don't know if I've ever Clapped when someone died and if I said that I was lying. I don't have ever clapped when someone died not literal clapping Or like me like oh good I think dig chaining was the biggest piece of shit on on earth. I wasn't like happy that day But I wasn't sad Like I like nothing changed. Shut up peach I don't even hear what he said been lot and just ignore him Just shut the fuck that's like just shut up. I never met them in Oh Yeah, happy when someone dies to me is is kind of nuts. Yeah, but again like when dick chaining died never on Twitter was got like all right So what I agree with what they were saying but to be happy just because someone said some means you don't the internet That's a little crazy But I don't know I don't know I do feel like and this is not just for men this is for for women to I feel like if you have a platform You're gonna make money off of this platform because that's what we're all trying to do and you're saying things that you know Are gonna get pushed and they're extravagant and that people are gonna comment out. I'm they're gonna end up all these places You do have a responsibility When you look and be like what am I really pushing to these people? Hmm. What am I really pushing to these people with our platform too But we push silly shit funny shit. We don't really push harmful ideologies That like can kick in the back people in our community. You know, I'm saying it's just it's just weird Just like everything at one point do you lay down at bed at night and be like damn you what I'm doing. He really okay Like yeah, if you're if you're harmed off Cole Kendrick and Drake opinions you deserve to be harmed Yeah, that's your that's your fault. That's not hard. I like that harms you then that's that that's your journey People you shouldn't have a you shouldn't have a fish tank or drink Pepsi. I don't really feel like that's really like like we not really change in the game I thought I was giving great advice She's I thought I was giving great advice and now they go to clap when I die because I said you shouldn't be drinking Pepsi As Kevin Samuels being a my fraternity brother I would have loved to hear his opinion on that frat hazing video that's been going viral. Hi. I want to love to hear his sassy Yeah, it looked like a stink down there. Where would he was at? Yeah It looked like it was oh, I mean if If cap Alpha-Sai was was an organization that hazed I'm sure every basement would smell the exact same In all 50 states. I know that shit funky Oh With what now white As a white that was fine All right, well then be come back in a room full of wet whites is fucking hilarious What I know it smells like a pet co-bag from a new for sure For sure Yeah, that's rough. They said they banned till 2029 Who's banned like their chapter. Yeah, I Sorry, they'll be back. Give them time to kind of rebrand. I I'll just say because I of course I saw everyone the outrage that was going on in here The stories I've heard allegedly about pledging like heard like folk tales can't fire stories All he was doing was standing there in a basement being blindfolded They were wet though What oatmeal I don't think it was only I think peege made that up, but they were wet. They were wet They rubbed oatmeal a little bit each other Y'all Yeah, I never been soaking in a basement before Never I'll answer your question. I've never been soaking in a We're fucking a basement and get a little hot Not that hot he wasn't both glistening like that. No, he never been that hot. We go open a window or something It's my fucking I did see that the other side of The white fraternally world defending some of the shit that if we did allow hazing there'd be more men out here but hey Not a debate I would have on a podcast not for me be But no that that video was Was hilarious Because at that point like when do you take your blindfold off? If if you are allegedly Pledging it fraternity I feel like you know the voices of the two people that are leading the charge of the alleged haze You would hear a cops voice and be like you know what I Want to know is there a way we could find this out how many single How many only childs are in the fraternity only children? Yeah only children I would like to know that I all my line brothers have siblings at Out of all of New Jersey New York All my travels I I don't know if I know one other Nope, that's the only child how many of them had imaginary friends when they's grown up It's man. Yeah, I'll view that shit that way though I we want to get into what's I have never understood Pledging of fraternity never understood it which is which is fine I'm never one of those people that that when people say that that I get like offended I totally get it. I just think you may have a skewed perception I do of the of the entire thing because no, I don't I can only speak for the chapters that I've been around I've never met somebody that like was looking for friends Like every single time even with my line brothers like My crew of friends their crew of friends like everyone just became friends. We just The seven of us just happened to do that that semester Like nobody was looking for friends I get it at the same time I don't But I get it. I mean some people enjoy being around like minded individuals with you know You know, I enjoy being around like I enjoy being around like my individual single But when you tell me I all the y'all tonight at 9 p.m. Got to go in this basement and put oatmeal on you I'm not doing that sounds like a great comment. I'm not jacking at I'm like, you know what? I'm just not down and you know that they got like eventually they ended like paying like they pay Like I didn't like pledged so I can't speak to that. I'm just talking about being in a fraternity I can't speak to hazing or pledging Yeah, it's just not I can see how that would look like Because if I was a cop I wouldn't even think fraternity even if I was on a campus I would be like oh, this is Epstein's coat down here right now But yeah, I got no shirt off scared you would have to be like yo, why didn't I know shirts on like what part of like What am I proven because I'm down here with my homies and we all y'all? Yeah, I ain't wearing no shirts. I know shirts tonight. What is that? Well, let me ask At the You got a pink That's hilarious. Do you guys have allegedly do you have friends that have joined join again? I do allegedly. Yeah, I got a lot of okay So they only children uh where they where they a lot of them where where they jumped in yeah, they were looking They were missing something they were looking for a chromosome maybe Yes, you know, they was missing something don't do don't do that home Okay, yeah, no, no, I know I understand Forget like bloodscrew gangs in general have been around since the dawn of time based off that exact principle Yeah, but you don't think that could be something in With a college student as well Yeah, no for sure like yeah, yeah, something missing doesn't necessarily mean something's wrong or you're in search of validation or Yeah, some I mean it's just like a lifelong community that you can be around forever is isn't important thing to people I'm just saying like I Didn't go to college and I got a lot of homies. That's like Went to college part of fraternities. Yeah, I'm just was never I'm not I'm not doing it I think if I think if it defines your entire life then I can understand more of what you guys are saying which I do know some cap is that yes That is their their entire identity has become that from when they were 19 to now when they're in their 40s Yes, I think those people were searching for what you guys are talking about yeah, but I don't think that's the high majority Case with with everything. What were you searching for? No, I don't think it was like a specific thing. I was searching for or in or in any regards having to do with Of being an only child because even my line brother Danny This is my best friend at the time is already my best friend. So it wasn't like I was gonna meet someone there But all the principles that Kappa stood for in the community and getting to know some of the older brothers in Kappa And what they had going on in their lives and the network that you had for the rest of your life because It's divine night is not like the white frets of this basement shit I don't want to speak for them, but I guarantee once they graduate that'll be the last time they even think about the first like that's not It's not a lifelong thing. There's alumni chapters. There's so much with Kappa for the rest of your life Shit in the music industry the amount of people I've even met because of Kappa That was an important thing to have a community of like mind people Yeah, but I feel like you you figure all of that the community of the like mind of people is like that's like straight out the ham book like he wrote He read that I feel like you find all of that also non-hazen organization. I feel like you find all of that out once you start pledging I'm talking about no, it's because that's not true because it's not again I'm not speaking for white frets you don't just show up that day and then you're in a basin with a blindfold no It's a it's a long process to even be Considered for sure to become a member you have to meet you have to get three recommendations a written letter from members already That takes time the amount of times I've turned it down for people like I don't even fucking know you got to talk to me for six months Just so I can get to know to see if you be a viable Candidate not on some hazing like I just want to get to know this person before it is a very long process What I'm saying is I love to get jumped in for 30 seconds and and be a dumb. It's a very long process What I'm saying is before all of that What what was the first thing that clicked in your head to say? I want to go like oh this is this is a lifetime thing On top of that my best friends My best friend at high school his mother was a delta Okay, she was the first person that was like you should look at that I even meet the Greeks look the cues first just because she was A delta and they have more of an alliance But Kappa was was way more than me. I love cues, but Kappa was was more for me Oh my god, if you were a cue I would not be honest, but I can't talk. No, I don't do I love the cues I do too, but you close with the cues and I love if you're if you were walking around Your tongue around me Do it try oh your camera. I wouldn't I wouldn't disrespect the cues like that Um, but yeah, it's a it's a full journey in finding that not just one day. It's like yeah, I want to do this And one thing clicks like it takes a while I'm respecting fraternity bubble. Yeah, so I'm all over there quiet There's a lot but like anything else with with a membership of that amount of people for that long Of course, there's bullshit and everything. Oh, life. Yeah, it's a it's the same as any joining any other organization The same people do intermurals in college. Why are you joining? Oh, I don't know. I can get to know the people out of here That's how it starts It's freshman orientation. It's it's all part of that college process. Got it. So yeah, hi well another week The gang is here. Uh, so I guess we're gonna get started on patreon so we could have some more crazy conversations Got some things I want to talk about coming off a Valentine's day with the ladies the secrets the secret I'm about on Netflix. I'm shit. I want to talk to zip about I've been at the edge of my seat since Monday for the conversation Listen gang gang is here Boy, you said you had already told you had a list of questions for not just one I just just coming out of Valentine's day. I want to get everybody's post Valentine's Energy is on right when she was zip-dead for Valentine's day. See if any woman took care of him for Valentine's What hope so yeah, hopefully a woman took care zip and brought him Nothing but chocolate and fly away back there laughing. Oh, I don't think he got shit. No, no, don't do that the zip got some flowers on Valentine's day We not doing that all right. Well, we're told to y'all soon be safe be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger piece This is an I heart podcast guaranteed human