The Electrician Executioner - East Hampton, New York

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But I think maybe you should give it a shot and see what you think. Either way, no complaining later. That said, I think it's time to sit back, everybody. Let's all take a deep breath here and arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shut it up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Let's go on a trip. Shall we? We're going to New York this week. Nice place. It's not, well, this is a really nice place we're going to. We're going to East Hampton, New York, which is, this is Tech, yeah, the Hamptons. This is way out on the end of Long Island. This is where the richest of the rich people have houses. Not where they live. No, no, no. Where they spend summers and weekends. And then it goes fuck out of there. And things like that. This is Hedge Fund Manager, Billionaires. Billionaires. Joe. Jerry Seinfeld. Where this takes place this week, Seinfeld's house is on the next block. So, I mean, we're talking people with hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, live here. It's crazy stuff. This is actually, it happened in East Hampton Village, but that's inside each East Hampton. So, that doesn't really matter. It's just a smaller part of East Hampton. It's, like I said, Eastern tip of Long Island, about two hours to New York City. It's a trek over there. About two hours and 15 minutes to Chappaqua, New York, our last New York episode, Murder by Moonlight, back in early June, I believe. That was a crazy one. This is in Suffolk County out here, area code 631 and 934. The motto here is, quote, America's most beautiful village. Stay out, Mr. Fraff. Yeah. Well, unless you're going to do my landscaping or something, stay out. That's the thing. The people that actually live here are the people that service all of these rich people. Those are the people that live here. So, the stats are kind of interesting. A little bit of history here. The village of East Hampton, founded in 1648 by Puritan farmers. Oh, yeah. The community was based on farming with some fishing and whaling. Yeah. There's no more farming going on out here. We're much whaling, right? That's illegal now. We're not whaling anymore. There's like two countries on earth that wail, and it's like Japan and Faroe Island. It's literally, this is the only two countries that wail. Does Alaska allow some still a little bit? It's America, I doubt it. I mean, like the northern native area? Yes. I think they have, yeah. If there's actually people going out with a fucking carpoon, they probably let a tribe of people do that or something like that. But you can't go like a big fishing boat and go out there and cheat them. I don't think they're trapping them. I think they're like, if a pod comes in, that's, yeah. They have to do something. You've been doing that for thousands of years. Go ahead and keep doing it. So now whales that washed up on the beach were butchered, and whales were hunted off shore with row boats, a lot of times manned by Montauk Indians. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's how Montauk is named after them. That's exactly, everything here is named after a tribe. From Wappingers, it's the Wappinger tribe. Same thing. It was the 1910s and 20s that they started building the luxury estates. That's when it became a big deal. Really? Oh yeah. This, They figured out summer's pretty fucking nice. Well yeah, the summer by the beach. And wow, we got a beach over here. We probably shouldn't just be farming on it. And a really great beach. Oh, it's beautiful out there. Beautiful out there. Reviews of this town. Here we go. Here's five stars. I have lived in East Hampton all my life, so for 18 years. Oh, an 18 year old. So this is an 18 year old. East Hampton is where I grew up. We knew that. You just said you lived there your whole life. Went to, that means you're- You're going to say the same thing over and over again? So you're either really rich or you hate rich people. One of the two. Went to school, made friends and learned so much. East Hampton is located in a beautiful area at the end of Long Island, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. That's right. And this shit's super flat, right? There's not a fucking hill. No, no, no, no, no. This is amazing. There's no flat. There's no pails over here. Here's three stars. I love the beaches in East Hampton. They are beautiful and are always protected by lifeguards in the summer. Imagine what these people pay in taxes. No shit. There should be a lot of lifeguards. Teams should be the old Baywatch teams. Yeah. Just smoking hot chicks and bikinis and big muscular guys. How many beaches you've been on on the West Coast? Have you ever seen a fucking lifeguard? I'm a beach guy. No, I've seen- I like a rocky beach. I like a hoodie- hoodie-wear and beach. I never see those- I mean those towers are everywhere. I guess. And then they've never got a person in. No, no. Here they do. They got them. Here they got teams. Wow. So you always feel safe going into the water. Although the traffic is crazy since summer, since summer it's always hard to get around. Yeah. All right. Okay. People in this town. Here we go. Population of East Hampton is 27,626. In East Hampton Village it's about 1,500. Wow. So that's like kind of the southern part of East Hampton. More women than men because these are a lot of wealthy people too that the women will outlive the men here. It's 52% women, 52.2% women. Median age is older than the norm. It's 46.7. Again, money usually takes you longer to make it. That makes sense. Is this the south side of the island? The East Hampton villages. East Hampton itself is just kind of the end of the island there. 59% married. Wow. So all these stats, it's so rich basically. Very few people are single with children. It's too expensive to get a divorce here. Yeah. It's just too expensive. It costs you half of what I had when I was a kid. When I got divorced, wasn't a lot. No, this is like half. They're like, we're just going to stay. The house is pretty big. You take that side, I'll take this side. We're living in a 6,000 square foot house. We don't need to get a divorce. Half of that fortune is five times what one person dreams of making. Yeah, exactly. Race in this town, 73.7% white, 2.5% black, 1.9% Asian, 20.9% Hispanic. The religion here, 72.6% religious. Oh, shit. Yeah, I guess if you had millions of dollars, you'd believe in, there must be a God. They're providing for me. I'm being provided for. And a whopping 60% of the people here are Catholic. Is that right? As we know, Catholics are the Baptist of the North. There we go here. Average unemployment rate here. Median household income here is 125,860 won. They're doing great. They're doing great. But that's not even, that's not like the summertime residents that make the millions and millions. That's the people that live here. Cost of living though is tough. That's the problem. Cost of living everywhere in the country is 100. That's average. Here it's 147. Golly. The housing is, this is out of 100 now. 100 is average. 623. Median home cost here, $1,237,400. Oh, dear lord. And I think that's actually low when we do this because, you know what? We've convinced you, dammit. You've done well in life. Your hedge fund is really cooking in blossom. And we have for you the East Hampton, New York real estate report. Average two bedroom rental here. You need some roommates, $2,820. No, golly. Which is like Manhattan prices. $3,000 a month. Here is a one bedroom, one bath, 360 square feet. It's a room. It's a big room. It's a condo, a very tiny condo. Sort of near the water, but really tiny. $595,000 for that. 360 square feet. I guess that's just a getaway for somebody? No, no, that's for someone who works there. Nobody who has money would go stay in this hole. It's a little, it's literally a fucking depressing room. It looks like one of those places where like if you're in like a foreign country, but you're like a dignitary or something, but you get arrested, they don't put you in jail, they put you in like an office room. Like that's what it feels like. Like I'm not allowed to leave, but it's not like prison. There's a real bed and a TV, but I can't leave. 10 by 30 seems big enough to like dress it up and make it, you know what I mean, with a bathroom and a small kitchen in there. That's tiny. Make it a little like a cabin, I guess. That is rough. Here's a two bedroom, one bath. Six hundred sixty five square foot. Twice. Little tiny house. Two times that other one. Nice inside, but little tiny house and it's like among mansions. It's a someone had a little tiny property that never sold it. $1.3 million for six hundred sixty five square feet built in 1940. This house was back when they were building cottages. So it's an original. Then finally eight bedroom, 12 bath, tea bowl for each and every beehull. Invite some beehull friends over. 13,176 square feet. Wow. Three on three point six acres directly on the water. Three acres of three point six acres directly on the water. Private beachfront. Gorgeous, insane. 25. 84,900,000 dollars. Four million dollars. Billionaire housing, that is. That is. I have how can 300 fucking billion dollars. I'm going to buy that's crazy. That's insane. That's it's absolutely insane. Think about that. I can't wrap my head around. I can't either. 84,900,000 dollars. Holy shit. That's great. It feels like you should be able to buy a basketball team for that much. Right. But you can't anymore. But still. But the guy that owns that probably owns a basketball team also. You have to. That's that's who lives here. People like that. I mean, who the hell can buy $85 million for a house? It's crazy. I can't even wrap. I can't. That's like the gross domestic product of Luxembourg. Just your house. So that's ridiculous. That's a fascinating thought. Things to do here. Okay. We have the first of all the film festival. You're right. They have a East Hampton film festival. The Hamptons International Film Festival. Tired of going to try back up. I'm like tired of this. Two hour drive. We're out here entertain us. It's held over five days in mid October. So maybe they hold it to try to get some of the people to come back for October a little bit. Maybe for the business there. They have kind of stuff like that. They also have the Tuesdays at Main Beach Music Series. So every Tuesday you show up at this beach and they have a different band. Yeah, this is all summer long. We have, let's see, starting in, what is this? Oh, yeah, starting. They're getting good acts. Oh, no, they're not. No. Well, maybe I don't know any of these acts. Jetty Kuhn. Nope. K-O-O-N. With Hot Lava. Yeah. No. No. Lynn Blue Band. Nope. How about the Kanga Cartel? There's a problem. These people have so much money. Why are they hiring this? I don't know why they don't. I mean, I'm sure we know Ludacris is available. He's a, you're having a county fair. He's an alley. You can get Nelly in there. Sarah Conway. No. And maybe Conway Twitties. Jimmy Conway's kid. I don't know. Lone Sharks. Not like they're loaning you money with L-O-N-E. Lone Sharks. Plural. Plural loan. Mega makes sense. Our new gang is called the Lone Wolves. That's what it is. We're getting the jackets. Lone Wolves, baby. That was the joke in Airheads that they were the Lone Rangers. The Lone Rangers. You can't do that. That's the point. That's impossible. That's the thing ever. Fortrack. Maybe they're just very old. Is there four of them? And that's what they, maybe. Nancy Atlas. Okay. Nope. Holiday Ramblers. I can't fucking believe this. This is crazy. The Holiday Ramblers. Hello Brooklyn. Which is a Beastie Boy song. Who do loungers? Who do? H-O-O-D-O-O. Who do? Okay. Who do loungers. Who do loungers. Okay, so. And then an obvious Save by the Bell reference also. The Bayside Tigers. Which is the Save by the Bell High School. That's hysterical. I like that one. I listen to them. That's pretty funny. Reeb R-E-E-B. Which is I think like Reeb and McIntyre's new rap. Actually trying to put together. Just Reeb. Shorten it up. For the kids. So the kids watch. The attention spans. The attention spans are low. Reeb, I'm back. It's too much to say. Too much. Just Reeb. Reeb. The inner roots will be there. Oh. You ever heard of them? Nope. Nope. Okay. You said up. I was like, yeah. Maybe. We're getting close to bands though. Something dirty organic. And the rum punch mafia. I can't, I seriously can't believe this. So they have the rum punch mafia and the conga cartel. You should put them together. They'd fight probably. Then the cherry bombs also will be there. Some punk rock or something. I guess. Someone called Winston Irie. Which I assume is a reggae act. That's all I can think. And Rubix with an X. Cube with a K. No. Cool man. Stop. All caps. That's gotta be techno. That sounds like electronic shit definitely. I'm so mad. And then Hot Lava will be there. They opened the show. Oh yeah. Hot Lava's there. That's right. They're gonna do both. Crime rate here. What we're interested in. I'm beside myself. That's all summer. That's all summer long. But that's probably for like local beach trash. You know rich people aren't going down the mingle. No. Yeah. So this is like. We're making Billy Joel play tonight. If that shit's happening. Forcing him. Yeah. I'm knocking on the door. Get out of here. He's probably playing at some party somewhere anyway. And go to the rear. Reeves annoying me Billy. Get out of here. Get out of here. Crime rate in this town. What we are interested in. It should be non-existent. In this town really. Property crime is about one third under the national average. Still too hard. There's a lot of shit to steal though. That's one thing. Violent crime, murder rape robbery and of course assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is less than half the national average. As it should be. There. So that said. Let's talk about some murder here. This is wild stuff. Okay. Let's start out with a man. Let's talk about a man here. Robert Theodore. I know. What you're thinking. Not Bundy. No. No. You guys saw Jimmy's face. He's like oh shit. It's nice right? Yeah. Robert Theodore Ammon. A-M-M-O-N. Goes by Ted. Oh yeah. Why not? That's. If you're Robert Theodore you're Ted. Yeah. Almost similar age too. He's born August 30th, 1949. So similar. I think Bundy's born 44. Was he that? Was he that? I want to say. Was he older then? I want to say 44, 45. He was born something like that. So same area, same generation. His parents are Robert. Not senior. They have different middle names. And Betty Lee is his mom. Nice. He's got a sister named Sandy with an I. Yeah. That's important. Sandy. Sandy with a I. Sandy. His dad was a sergeant in the US Army during World War II. Oh. So he was born to. No one's ever shit. Yeah. Dad was in the war type shit. Well at least also dad's seen some shit. So. Yeah. Dad could be. Usually those guys are tough. Dad gets some grace around here. Dad has a couple drinks when he comes home. He might smack somebody once in a while. But he had to fight Hitler. So he let it go. So he let him have the big piece of chicken. We let him go. Yeah. He gets exactly. He gets to steal Chris Rock joke there. And the last piece of beat. So he gets everything. That's all. You got to give it to dad. Now Ted is born at the Allegheny General Hospital on the north side of Pittsburgh. Oh. That's right. His dad was a steel executive. But not a hugely back then a steel executive. Unless you were like one of the top few guys. Didn't make the kind of money that executives make now. Executives used to make five times with the average worker made. Now it's 7000 times. He's doing fine. But he's not Carnegie. No. No. No. No. No. He's still blue collar. He's still blue collar. I think he worked his way up to this to like a higher job in there. Now Ted when he's in the eighth grade. His father is transferred to East Aurora New York. To run a whole steel plant. Now East Aurora is just outside Buffalo. So that's going from Pittsburgh to Buffalo. Snow to more snow. Not a far move. It's really not. So Ted's father wanted him to follow in his footsteps. Get a job in the steel industry at one of these companies. And work his way up like he did. Which is fine at that time. But if Ted chose to do that. It would all fall apart for him. Because by the mid 70s the steel industry was falling apart. And nothing would nowadays they're find a job in the steel industry in America. It's not real easy to do. So that's kind of he's lucky Ted that Ted wasn't interested in that. Because he would have found nothing but pain. Is there a lot of steel being produced anymore. Not like there used to be no no. Otherwise it would have just been Allentown basically. The Allen Billy Joel again. Allentown song is what ended up happening to all that shit. To coal and steel and everything. So anyway that's what he wanted. Ted though wanted to do something else. He wanted to get ambitions. He wanted to make money. He wanted to make money. And the blue collar thoughts that aren't for make lots of money. Go get yourself a good living. Look I have a house we have two cars. You'll never starve. I'll be able to retire. That's what you need to do yourself. And that's especially that generation of the depression and World War II. And all that they really thought like that. The kids that came up after that the baby boomers were like I want to make money. They had a different thought. So Ted would come home from school do his homework. Eat dinner every night at 6 30 exactly on the dot. Dinner had to be ready. His father coached his little league team. Which is interesting. Tall's a Ted's a tall guy. It's going to turn out to be 6 4. Kind of a muscular lean but muscular 6 4. He's a swimmer. Yeah. The swimming team and he plays lots of sports. So you know he's doing well. Now they would go their family during the summer. They had there was a family owned New Jersey shore house. So they go to the New Jersey shore for a while. They'd also go to Ames Iowa where they had family and they would spend a couple weeks on their grandparents farm sitting in the country. So very much leave it to beaver kind of a life. Yeah. You know if dad came home with a tie on at 5 o'clock and you know mama the house tidy and very black and white very leave it to beaver type of thing. I think he's about beavers age too. Out yeah. In high school he's on the football team and the swimming team. He's a real popular guy got tons of pretty girlfriends. He's a charismatic successful tall athletic guy. What else is that I mean you're going to get you're going to get some you're going to get some trim in high school if you're active you're like that. Sometimes that all falls apart for people later on but Ted's ambitious. Now Ted was like to work on things. He's like he's their house's handyman. Man's man. He knows what to do. He likes to figure out how things work. He's real smart. So fun. Likes to take things apart put it back together figure out how to repair them. Well the take apart's easy. That's the oh that's the easy part. Yeah. Any anybody on a quarter gram of meth can do that. Putting back together is the hard part. So yeah his mother and father were very proud of him. They said he would take a lot of pride in doing things without being told. So you know they wouldn't have to tell Ted to do things. He just do things. He's a son of a bitch. Yeah. By the way there's some stuff from a book here and some stuff from a very good investigative article also. So I'll give the names and titles and authors and all that later on too. Give them their their due. So he didn't even like instruction manuals Ted. What. He didn't want to do it. He said well that's no that's cheating. No. That's cheating. You got to figure it out yourself. That's how you put it together right. So that's more fun to learn it on your own. If I don't read those that's how I return shit. I can't I can't push it together with instructions. You give me an Ikea desk and the instruction six hours later I'm taking it apart because I put it back I put it together backwards and I don't know what I'm doing. I can't put shit together. I don't know the top is upside down. Oh I'm so bad. It took me like 12 hours to put a desk together one day. I'm like this is ridiculous. I bought two cabinets from Wayfair and those instructions are just as hard. They're ridiculous. I built it and I'm like it's upside down and then all you have to do is flip it over. I'm like that's not right. Okay that doesn't even look like the picture. That certainly isn't Wayfair's fault. I think that is that that's your fault. That's a problem. It's upside down. That's definitely a problem. Jesus Christ. But it's not I couldn't recognize why there was a problem and that there's the problem. How many beers into the night were you? Please tell me. This is 11 a.m. Oh no alcohol. This is just stupid me going why is it why is it backwards? No. Okay I was going to I'm giving you all the outs I can. Blame alcohol? Nope. Anything else? Stupidity. Just an absolute moron. That's fair. That's fair. Jesus Christ. He liked doing shit that he thought people thought was impossible a lot. It is impossible to put it together without him. Took it as a challenge. He was chosen to be the anchor man of the swim team. Uh huh. Like so he's good at that. He ends up going to Bucknell University. Where's Bucknell? I'm not sure. I think it's in Pennsylvania or New Jersey. I can't remember. But I know every once in a while they make the basketball tournament. And don't do very well. But they make it. I think they're a smart school. 10 majors in economics at Bucknell University. Which is nothing like what his dad said. No. Go get an entry level job and work your way up. He joined the FIDE Gamma Delta Frat. Starting in a sophomore year. He's playing on the Varsity La Crosse team. Okay. Kneed deep. Doing it. In College Poon. He is. Doing great. La Crosse too. La Crosse. Yeah. He's majestic. Hey everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about something delicious from LittleSpoon. LittleSpoon.com. Oh you know. You know that time. It's almost six o'clock. Kids are hungry. You stare into the fridge. And you're like what am I doing here? I got. This is going to take forever. I have no ingredients. I have no plan to put a dinner together at all. 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Without going to law school. I mean the bar, it sites precedent and cases. People that go to law school have to take it two, three times. He didn't go to law school and just pass these tests. Wow. There have been, I've heard of people doing that before, but you got to be pretty smart. You've got to know what you're talking about and be learned. Absolutely. He works at a couple law firms, kind of restless there. He marries a woman. He finds a woman named Randy Day. So you can get a law license without going to school? As long as you can pass the bar. That's all it is. Just pass the bar. Yeah, you pass the bar. I mean, it's going to be hard to get hired somewhere. I have to go, where'd you go to law school? And you go, I didn't. I just read a book. I just brushed ass in this fucking. That's more difficult. This test was stupid. But if you're really smart, they might take that as, you know, you're like a will hunting type of deal and they might want you. So Randy with two E's, Randy Day, they're married for about nine years from the early seventies to about 1980, 81 ish. And then they break up. Pretty amicable. Sure. They both got married pretty young in the early 20s and grew apart. They didn't have any kids. You don't have any kids that divorce is easy. So is it. Especially if you don't have any kids and you don't have like tons of assets to break up, you just go, so I get my shit. Can I have the coffee table? I guess, yeah, you get the TV. Yeah. That's it. You break up. It's pretty great if you can do it amicable. That's the thing with no kids. It helps because that's where the acrimony comes in. Well, there's that and then the one still in love and the other one's clearly. If you have that, these two just grew apart. That's great. They were like, yeah, this isn't working right. So in 1979, he's 30, he joins the firm of Colberg, Cravis Roberts. Sounds like it. Yes. And this is where they're going to do, he's doing a bunch of investment stuff now. He's going to get into like investment banking, which is where the money is. That's where everyone in the Hamptons is. Investment bankers, hedge fund managers, all those guys, all that money shit that I can't figure out. I don't know what one is, but I've heard hedge funds are amazing. I don't know. I don't think we're rich enough to know what that is. I don't think we have nearly enough money to know what a hedge fund is or to know how it works even more. Just sounds like somebody that manages it gets all the money. No shit. So he's a big, tall, successful, handsome guy making good money at this point. 1983, he becomes one of the youngest partners at Colberg, Cravis, Roberts and Company in their history and was involved in a RJR Nabisco buyout. He was part of the negotiations of a $38 billion buyout merger type situation. So huge deal. That's one of those, if you make a big deal like that, everyone in that industry knows who you are. They know your name, they see it in the magazines. And you just made a giant pile of cash. Yep. So he's made a big pile of cash. He's a partner. He is looking for a suitably, where do I live? That's the thing, a suitably up to his standards apartment in Manhattan at this point. Oh, get a 300 square foot joint on the island. I got to hang in there a place for you. Now he's going to move down to the village. It's still a shooting gallery down there. He's still going to go move down there. Really wants to live with junkies in a hovel. No, he's looking for a real nice midtown around the park. Type of rich guy joint. So he sets up a call with a real estate agent to go look at some stuff here. Real estate agent is Jenarosa, Joemarie Legay Rand. That's her name. That's a woman's name. That's a woman's Jenarosa. Wow. G-E-N-E-R-O-S-A. Jenarosa. And you said several other words. This Joemarie is her middle name. Legay, which is a family name. And then Rand is also part of her name. So that's part of her name. Those are two family names at the end. She's born March 22nd, 1956. That's seven years younger than our guy Ted here. So they made the appointment for the early evening now, or like right after work, to look at an apartment in the low 90s, not in terms of price, in terms of street location, on the far, on the east side of Manhattan. So Upper East Side he's looking at right now. Right by the park. Stayed in it. It's a little high, but. Up above the park. It's still the park still there. The park ends about one-tenth or whatever. Ends at one-tenth? Before that, but it doesn't matter. Upper East Side kind of old farty money type of place, but that's where nice stuff is too. So he didn't show up for the appointment. He's busy and he forgets shit basically. So the next morning, he got a call at his office from the real estate agent, Jenna Rowson. She's pissed off. Yeah. She said, listen, this is bullshit. Yeah, number one, don't waste my time. I'm a busy person. Number two, it's rude to do that. Number three, you left me standing outside after dark in New York City in 1983, which is not safe to do for a single attractive woman too. She's like a blonde attractive 27-year-old or something. So she was pissed. She's like, this is ridiculous. So he heard all this and he's getting lit up on the phone by some lady he's never met before. Never met or never saw her before, but he said, you want to go out on a date with me? I'm in love with you. Because I like your attitude. He liked it. He said, you didn't just say, hey, you want to come? He said, hey, fuck you. By the way. Will you leave these messages on my phone for the rest of my life, please? I like getting my balls broken, but someone, she didn't take the shit. And he said, I like that. And he said, let me take you out to apologize. Let me take you out on a date to apologize. Like I said, he never saw her before, so he has no idea what she even looks like. And then he meets her and she's slim and blonde and a little younger than him. And a smoke show. Yeah, he's like, shit. Boy, did I make the right choice. Great. That's why she's got attitude. I guess he figured anyone with that attitude must be hot. Because he's like, I'm not hot enough to have that attitude. I don't know who is. She must be really, really confident in herself. So she told him, number one, she's very opinionated, very passionate person. She told him that this rental agent shit that I'm doing here, real estate stuff, this is just my day job. Yeah. I'm an artist. Oh. That's how it really is. I'm really an artist. But that doesn't pay fucking bills on me. Obviously. So now a little bit about Jen Arosa. Let's tell her a little of her story here. Because she's got some backstory to her boy. She is not from a stable environment like Ted is. Ted's from a very stable, believe it to bever he is. I mean, think about that. So now she said that her and her older sister were raised by their single mother for a while anyway. We'll talk about who is a church secretary named Marie-Therese Lagaye. That's where the Lagaye part comes in. And Rand will be her husband. Now she says she was raised in Laguna Beach, California, but that's also kind of at different times. When she was 10, her mother died of brain cancer. Dang. I think she had breast cancer and brain cancer. Now, I guess when she was going through her mother's photo albums, she came upon a photograph of a blonde sailor. Oh. Not an American sailor. What? Somewhere else. Okay. On the back of the picture was one word written. My love. Generoso. No idea. That's two words. And I think I was going to tell you in the next breath what it was. I assumed it was going to be like her dad. Wait. Generoso. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. See, if you just waited a second, you'd have got that. I wouldn't have even put that together. No. Generoso is the man's name. Oh. Which is also her name. So she goes, wait a second. How the fuck do we have the same name? And her older sister said, okay, didn't want to tell you this. But our mom banged a guy in Italy. What? Guy in Italy named Generoso. She realized she was pregnant and decided to keep the baby anyway. Wow. So that's your, you're a quickie Italian sailor affair who she named after the man. Amazing. Amazing. So yeah, apparently he was in town and at her long beach apartment, they had a very passionate week-long affair. Wow. So she went to see him off at the dock and, you know, all of this. And he had the photo of him in the uniform and gave her an address the next month. She's pregnant. She wrote him. He never answered. Wrote her again. Wrote him over and over again. Never received an answer from him. So either he, he drowned in the Italian navy or he's just like, I'm not going to talk to this lady. All right. Can they enforce to the child support them from long beach? No. No? All right. That's good. Hey, you see a crumple, crumple and in the garbage. Yeah, there we go. All right. There. Ha, that's so good. He ain't got a lot. He doesn't give a fuck. Poor lady. Singing time to say goodbye, you know. So, yeah, so there she was. Generoso was born. And she gave the, she was married, her mom. So she gave the baby her husband's last name, Rand, because it was just easier basically. Wow. Because he's a married woman and, you know, she doesn't live with her husband. But it looks better if it looks like her husband knocked her up, especially in the 50s. Sure. You know what I mean? So she, she started raising the daughter, but she's a big hard partier. And because she already had three kids when she was banging Generoso in the apartment. So the family didn't use Generoso's first name. Which is interesting. They always called her Joe. Her middle name is Joe Mary, one word, J-O Mary. And they just called her Joe. Her whole family. But then everyone else calls her Generoso later on. So her and her sister become very close. And they have to be close because their mother would go off for days at a time and just leave them alone. So they had to cuddle up and figure it out for themselves. So, but then when she ends up dying, she says that, you know, she felt abandoned by her mother. Not only because she died, but because she was abandoning all the way up until dying. She believed that her mother had resented her from birth because she was illegitimate and kind of put a cloud over everything. She had to give her a different last name and lie about where she came from and all that. So she always thought her mother didn't want her and also didn't protect her. And Generoso said, I'm not going to be like that. I'm not going to be some fucking bum lady who's, you know, looking for some guy to take care of her. I am going to make money. I'm going to do, I'm going to be a somebody. I'm going to be a somebody. Good, good for her. So, yeah. It's amazing to get that life lesson out of that. And if I have kids, I'm not going to be a shitty mother, she said. Imagine living. I'm going to protect my kids. Imagine living a very repressed life and then dying of all those cancers together. At least that lady seems like she lived it up for a minute. I was going to say, I don't think she lived her repressed life. No, no, that's what I mean. Good for her. Yeah. Mom lived to the fullest. She did it. And she didn't even know she had to. No, she did it otherwise. She decided basically later on that her mother's death was actually a good thing. Yeah. She said later. She would tell people later on that it was the best thing that ever happened to her, her mother dying, which is insanely weird. I mean, being, being content with it and closure is fine, but don't go with that. She said it actually quote was the answer to her prayers. Oh my gosh. She didn't want to be part of that. Now within a, within a while after this, her uncle and his new wife ends up taking them in. She's about 10 years old. They go to live with the uncle and aunt. I guess the uncle, their aunt was a lawyer. The uncle is the relation. The aunt is just married to the uncle here. This is to go in Emerald Bay, which is a community on the coast just north of Laguna Beach. Nice. It was, we were just there for the show, the Irvine Emperor. That's a really nice area. Because we stay in Laguna Beach. It was gorgeous. Awesome. So really nice houses. It's beautiful. The views of the Pacific Ocean. They're crazy. Problem is during this, and we don't know what the truth or whatever, but apparently the uncle has started, uncle, the aunt, both of them, there was molestation going on in this house, like repeated molestation going on here, which is not great. At the same time, after a little while, they end up being in a foster home after that, which makes it better than being molested. So were they, hmm, oh, that's a fascinating development. Yeah, her and her sister, because there's four kids, but her and her sister are the ones of this, around the same age. So they get shipped around together, her and her sister, Dolly. By the time she was 17, she told her friend, well, when she's 17, she'll later tell a friend that her older sister was killed by a hit and run driver. Is that right? That's what she'll say. Yeah. And she thought, she said her sister was her only protection against an abusive home life, because she said her sister was older and was a little more, would protect her. So she ends up enrolling in college, actually. She goes to the University of California at Irvine. Wow. And just basically doesn't talk to the adopted family anymore, whether it was may or may not have been molestation. She graduated in 1981 from college and came to New York all by herself and found work as a real estate apartment agent. So that's what she was doing. You give Melissa near the beach, that'll make you hate the fucking beach. That'll make you, yeah, I guess so. I'll move in a minute. She pulled her opposite. Yeah, the smell of salt water's gonna really give you bad fucking vibes going on. So this is starting out on the low part of the ladder here, to be a rental agent in New York. You want to be selling big apartments. That's where the money is. Anyway, that's who Ted has found. Unbelievable. Generous and he likes her. So he likes her so much that in February of 1986, they get married. That, well, yeah. He's already got three years. Three years, it's not bad. Oh yeah. Yeah, 83 they met. They lived on Fifth Avenue at 75th Street, which is... Wow. Park, right on the park. That's fucking, that's beautiful. I mean, that's the spot you want to live in. If you live in New York, man. Then they bought a townhouse on East 92nd Street between Fifth and Madison avenues as well. Eat your heart out, mom. Yeah, upper East Side. That is nice shit. Yeah, so that's within the park. So the 90s is still the park and all that shit. Awesome. It's not bad at all. Ted starts making huge money. That's what he's doing this whole time in the 80s. All this go-go, yuppie 80s, investment banking bullshit. He is, I mean, he... Square. He jumped on a train that was moving. He's like, where are we going? To fucking Moneyville. Oh shit, really? You didn't even know it was going there. There's no way to know that, but that's where he is. Right, that's where I wanted to go. Great. Oh, Money Town, perfect. So, and he was very successful at KKR, the company going from deal to deal and crushing shit. One of his colleagues said about Ted, he has 700 ideas at a time. 697 of which are completely ridiculous and 3 of which are totally brilliant that no one thought of yet. Which is, that's kind of how people are. Yeah. Successful people. They said that he seemed... It wasn't even the money that was the end game. He had a ton of money and was doing great. So, at this point, it was the way he'd put a deal together is what he was into. He was into that. He's into the nuts and bolts and details and all that kind of shit. And then at the end, you get a big, fat paycheck too. It's pretty nice. It's pretty cool. They said that even when he became the company's point man for RJ Reynolds, after the mother of all... What is this? Oh, the mergers here. After the RJR and Nabisco takeover. Right. Those two things together. Yeah, he became the point man for that. That's when he really made all the partners millions of dollars and they love him. When you said RJR a minute ago, I was like, I know what that big company is. I know that. What is that? RJ Reynolds. RJ Reynolds, yeah. Now, Generosa, she doesn't have to show apartments anymore. No. So she is into art now. She is going to be the Upper East Side art lady, basically. I'm going to make art. I'm going to get into the art community. And she's going to be a cool New York art lady. That's what she wants to be at this point. So she created wall sculptures from string and paper and shit she made to put up in the house. And she would fill the walls of their townhouse there. The problem is, if you're an artist, the walls of your townhouse, it's not where you want your work to be exhibited. No, you want it in a fucking place. You want it in a gallery and no gallery will exhibit her work. Why not? Because it's not very good. It's shit. I would think. Yeah. If you're a real rich lady with connections and you're making art and nobody will put it up, it's because it's really bad. It's bad. Because otherwise, if they would put it up, she'd probably make donations and everything else. One of her friends said she never did get her art shown anywhere. Oh, no. No, but still Ted buys her a huge fucking loft in Soho. Now, back then, a huge loft in Soho was worth nothing. It was worth nothing. Nowadays, that's millions and millions of dollars. But back then, that was just a fucking junky neighborhood by the water that nobody was terrifying after dark. That's all. So this was on West Broadway in Soho for an art studio. So she has this giant art loft. And she just put strings together. Yeah. This is back in the day where that's where people were squatting, wasn't so old Soho lofts and old factories and shit, and turning them into art lofts and having parties and all famous things in these abandoned buildings. People would squat and have big art things. But she actually was paying for it. She turns, yeah. One of her friends said she would play the role of the downtrodden artist. But she was in this glorious double loft with windows all along the side. She's in like Tom Hanks' place for big. Bitching. She's got a pinball machine and a trampoline. This is crazy. What the fuck, man? You got a basketball hoop up. It's 10 feet, too. This is wild. Her friend said it was like Marie Antoinette with her sheep. Okay. Now she would mingle with the other artists, people that were very cool and thought it was cool in the art world, because that's what she wanted to be. She wanted to be cool. Sure. That's it. And then she would invite these actual real dirty art people from down in the village and down in Soho that actually do art in her in the community. She'd invite them up to the upper east side townhouse for dinner, which is a very different clash of environments. Oh, fish hour water. Yeah, but she wanted to impress them. But at the same time, that's not what impresses them. No, it's talent for art. That's what impresses them. Or just a coolness or a weirdness or a quirkiness. That's that New York art world weird back then. And even like Studio 54, which wasn't the art world, they liked weird people. If you came up dressed like a freak, they'd let you right in. That's great. They love that shit. You know what I mean? You got dressed like a bird just wanted to come in a suit and I can't get in. No. This 85-year-old lady just showed up, let her in. You know what I mean? Weird things like that. They like weird shit. She's not a beat suit. Shit you can just buy isn't cool. That's why it wasn't, they didn't really kiss like investment bankers asses in Studio 54. They kissed stars asses, people that had talent and shit like that. Sure. Shit you can't buy. Shit you can't buy. You can't buy that. Her friend said on the one hand she wanted to be part of this artistic group, but she also wanted it known that she was the wife of a rich guy and could pull the strings. Yeah. Can't have it both ways, babe. That's the problem. Hi, I made this art. Great. It's terrible. Yeah. Well, my husband's rich. Can you put it in your gallery? No. Absolutely not. Meanwhile, everybody else is like, if I don't sell this painting, I won't be able to eat. Right. So it's different. They're doing this to get rich. Yeah. They're already rich. They're doing it because they love art. And that, yeah. And then they also, you know, that's their thing. And they also, they want to be cool. They like, they want to be probably a castle. They want to get a fucking weird haircut and everybody kissed their ass while they smoked cigarettes. That's all they want. They're weird triangle glasses. That's it. Now, I'm convinced. I've never met an artist who that's not their gun goal. Just to sit, look weird, and have people say how wonderful and quirky they are. Like, that's what I feel like. And that's because we have no artistic talent. Yeah. Because I can't draw shit. Can't draw shit. Can't play blick of music. Comedy is not art. Stop saying comedy is art. It's not. Number one, if it was art, it's not bitching about it. So it's definitely not art. And number two, it's more like a comedian's more like being a chef, I think. There's art to it. You have to create recipes, things like that. But in the end, you're a craftsman that's got to make something for the people that they like or they ain't coming back. They're not coming back. Right. So at the end of the end, that's, you're, you're kind of like a chef. There's things that people love and a specific artist. And there's paintings that that person is painting. They're like, I don't like that one. Absolutely. And that's, that's not what it is. But the vibe of an artist is also what. You'll still come back for this shit. Yeah. The vibe of an artist is what makes them popular and what makes things. It's not just the work. That's the thing. It's the whole thing. It's that it gets the scarf. So it's, it's your scarf. It's your, how quirky are your glasses? What kind of clothes, cigarettes are you smoking? And are you doing it through one of those holder things? Cause they look pretty cool. And that hole in that hat is in the perfect spot. Perfect spot. Tilted just to the left, just right. So this person said, I always found it strange that for a couple who was their age and with their money, they had this need to create a group. It was as if they didn't have real friends. They were always saying, invite anyone you want over. So they were trying to be cool and trying to get into a click where it's like. Buying their way in. You're, you're just, just be it. Be yourselves. Go have fun and be rich people. Yeah. Also, generosity gets a bit snippy with people. Uh-oh. It's a little upset. Friends say here, uh, that she seemed to get angry at the slightest provocation. Little bits. Little bits. She's a definite, uh, Goldie Hawn and overboard situation here where that's how she acts. Right. She's mad at everybody. Was this beluga? Yeah. So they usually said anything, suspicion that someone was betraying her or rejecting her. Oh. Her friends said the minute that she felt rejects, rejection, she was like a woman out of control. A fear arose in her. It was almost like there was a trigger. Yes. She's got a, she's got a band on an issue. Yes. Exactly. And if you, and now she's got that and she's got this giant ego of I have money. I deserve the affection. You can't be mean to me because I can buy and sell you. It's like, that doesn't mean anything in social interactions. And you didn't do that. No. She said, she would, her friends said she would freak out. She said, quote, we've all been upset. But when she does it physically, she's in your face with this kind of I'm going to get you and there's no talking to her about it. She would become, they would get couple friends. And as you know, being a couple, it's hard to find couple friends because you both have to get along. It's difficult. It's for people that got to get along. That's tough. Yeah. So these couple friends they would make, they, you know, Ted is an easy going kind of guy and they liked him and stuff, but then she would cut them off. Generosa would cut them off. They described it as feeling iced out. One couple said, they said that one friend said she provoked an outburst from Generosa when she declined Generosa's invitation to be a summer long house guest at one of their houses. She had other shit to do. Yeah. Come stay at our summer house. I can't. I can't do it. I got other stuff to do. Then get out of my life. You piece of shit, traitorous, treacherous bitch. I never want to see you again. That's what it was. What? One friend that talked to her almost every day said suddenly the friendship was over. Every day they talked. Wow. She said a year or so later, just after they'd stopped talking, she saw Generosa had a benefit and approached her to say hello. Yeah. Just because she knows her. She said Generosa freaked out and said, get away from me. You get away from me. She just chose something that she was mad at her for. That's it. Forever. This lady didn't even know why. Yeah. She didn't understand it. They said that her friends would wonder why the hell is Ted put up with this shit? Yeah, that's why. She must be much different to him. But then also people would say that she seemed manipulative and controlling with him too. Me too. One said, I think because there was a vulnerability to her which he could see and that made him feel more secure. Now Ted also described to his friend that living with her was like walking on eggshells. Trying to avoid the next explosion. So he's just trying to keep her happy. Which when someone constantly is bursting into flames, it's up to keep putting them out. It helps if you have millions of dollars. Oh, that'll put out some flames here and there. You could buy a new fucking loft and so yeah, go buy that. Go get whatever. Oh, yeah, a new car. If that's what they're into, then you can kind of placate them with that, I guess. They would spend weekends in Bedford, New York, which is north of the city. You pass it when you go to Terrytown down there and stuff. It's very nice, very wealthy. I spent about a week there. High school because one of my friends went to a private school because he played hockey. He got a scholarship there. One of his friends from school, his parents went away for like two weeks. So we just all stayed at this kid's fucking mansion. Wow. It was wild. It was the first time I had ever been to a house with more than one refrigerator. And I was like, this is the greatest. You got food in both of those? Dude, I was looking in the fridge and he goes, there's another one in the basement. I went, huh? What's down there? He goes, no, there's a big ass fridge and it's full. And we, my friend, looked at each other. We ran down to the basement and opened. We were like, oh, there's more food here than there is up there. This is more food that I had in my house for fucking years. And we had food. I mean, but it was like, this is awesome. That was the greatest thing I've had. Pool. It was so fucking cool. It was great. Couldn't even like, they had rooms or it wasn't even like anyone's bedroom. It was just a room. It's like, this is a space over here. No one sleeps in here. This is crazy. This is warmed and cooled in this carpet. No one farts this up in the middle of the night. This is awesome, man. He just, he just climbed the control of the whole room for nothing. It was crazy. We were just like, this is insane, man. So they would spend weekends there outside the city where Generosa becomes a serious horse rider, winning some ribbons and. Oh, here you go. Now you found your talent. You're good at this. She participates and shows all the way down in Florida. There's, you know, Florida for the one episode. Dressage and shit. Dressage capital of the world. By a point here, late 80s, Ted and I guess together with Generosa are worth more than $50 million. Oh my God. In the 80s? In late 80s. Wow. Stacking. Stacking. Doing great. Doing great. They had a, they had a Fifth Avenue apartment. They buy a giant estate in England. Like they're, like they're fucking Paul McCartney or something. It has a name. What? They buy a named English estate, like in the countryside. It's like a fucking castle. It's like one of the Downton Abbey houses. It's ridiculous. It's crazy. By the way, and he becomes, he starts really donating lots of money to charity. He starts working to save Manhattan landmarks, historical shit. As we'll find out, he'll donate a shitload of money to Bucknell University. He does great. 1992, Ted decides, damn it. It's nice to be in this firm and everything, but I think if I start my own investment firm, I can make all the money at that point. What do you say? Because now he's just a partner getting partner money. Which is great. All the partner. But he wants even more money because I can make even more if I do it. So he starts his own investment firm. The partners at the company were like, what the fuck are you talking about? You dick. You are, you are integral to this whole thing. But he said, nope. He told them, this is what he told the Wall Street Journal. By the way. He was quoted in the. So successful. WSJ. When he quits his job, the Wall Street Journal calls him to get a quote. Why'd you quit? Imagine that. I've had a lot of shit jobs. I quit. No one ever called for a quote. And it would have been like, well, that guy was a fucking asshole. That would have been my quote. Whereas his quote to the Wall Street Journal is quote, when I wake up in the morning, I want to look at a different range of mountains. Holy fuck. Ted. Oh my God. My God, Ted. Living a valley and have a room on either side of the house, I guess. Holy shit. You silver tongue son of a bitch. So he said he could knew he could double his money quick if he's, you know, if he stayed, but he wanted the challenge of starting his own firm. Fascinating. So October of 92, by the way, they've started their own firm. They have all this stuff going on, all this money. They decide they've been trying to have kids. Yeah. And that's another reason why Ted thinks that Generosa might be a little grumpy as they've been trying to conceive and can't for years. And that'll get on you after a while. Especially they, they don't just, you know, fucking wait for a pregnancy test. Like they do in vitro. They go to the doctor. They're trying. He's jerking off in cups. She's getting propped and prodded. So it's when you go through all that and it doesn't work, that will, it's hard on your relationship. And if it's the woman who really has a biological, we don't care. But if it's a woman who has a real biological need for this and want for this and stuff on them. So they decide since they can't get, they can't make a baby, they decide they need to adopt a baby. So they end up, they are like the, the family that all these kids in these, that they dream. They're all dreaming to show up. Oh. Forgetting to be like a little kid called cars you can drive. They're like, this is crazy. It's going to be like the toy at this house. It's going to be nothing. These kids, it's going to be a talent show for which one of these parents will pick. I can do backflips. I can sing. She was at her doctor's office and behind his desk was a picture of two babies. And she said, who are these kids? And he said, those are kids that are orphaned in the Ukraine. And that started the process. She said, well, I'll take them. Yeah. They look good. I'll take them both. Have, pass them over. They were toddlers at the point at that two, three years old, Gregory and Alexa and their twins. That's how she got them. Little blonde headed twin. Ukrainian kids. Ukrainian kids. Yep. Gregory and Alexa and she adopted them. Oh, they weren't even, they didn't even know that they were shopping. Gimme them. I don't care. Hand them over. Best day of these kids lives. Can you imagine, yeah, just from their picture being there, that same year they are going to purchase a home in the Hamptons that we'll talk about here. When they went there to the, because they had to go pick them up from the Ukraine there, one friend, one friend said that Ted was deliriously happy upon their return. He had a kid on each arm. He was like, yeah, did it. They adopted them from the village of Medvedisti in the Muka-Chi-Voh region of the Ukraine. Sounds, sounds like a tough one. It's where, Jimmy and I have a show there next. It's tough to sell tickets, but that's our. Muka-Chi-Voh. It's on next year's tour schedule over in the Medvedisti in the Muka-Chi-Voh region of the Ukraine. I'm gonna find a Venti Muka-Chi-Voh. I'll have a, I'll have a lar, yeah. I want the Medvedisti. I'm going to have that. That sounds, sounds like it's sweeter a little bit. Yeah. So they said, Generosa's reaction to the kids was odd. One friend said, I'd asked if she wanted kids. She did not. She spent a lot of time in an orphanage, she said, and she'd been abused there. The whole prospect of children was too painful for her, but yet she was going through in vitro treatments and everything else. Taking all kinds of Ted load for nothing? It makes no sense. Yeah. Well, getting injected into her for nothing. I don't know if that's what Ted wanted, so she was saying that's what she wanted. So I don't know what it was, but another friend said that Generosa with the kids, quote, was stressful to watch. She wasn't good with them. It was stressful. Yeah, she wasn't good. She seems kind of like also she's very kind of a selfish person and that's difficult if you have kids. It's kind of have to give to them. Kind of, kind of have to want it. Yeah. And I don't know also if the play, if you feel different because it's a different biology. If you have the kids yourself, do you have a, do you have like a, is there more oxytocin released around them? Like I'm just talking about like biologically, not even mentally or anything like that. I have no idea. I don't know. Seems like a lot of women who have adopted kids really take them. Angelina Jolie seems to be really shocked about it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know about that. That seems pretty easy for her. I don't know what the hell those people are doing. Yeah. When you have nine au pairs, does it really matter at that point? It's pretty easy, right? And I don't know. I don't know. Anytime movie stars, let's adopt nine kids from all over. I mean, that's a nice thing to do in all, but I feel like, It feels very selfish. That seems like, seems pretty performative, but I mean, nice thing to do. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. Now, the business, his own business here, he started buying up a, he bought up a company that produced newspaper advertising inserts. Those little color inserts with all the ads in them and shit in the middle of Sunday paper. He bought that company? This is smart shit. This is, this is why we're bad at business. Like a guy that I rented my house from in Arizona made a fortune. He would start companies that do shit like this, build them up and then sell them and make a bunch of fucking money and then move on to the next one. He made tons of money. He'd made, he made paper cups at one point. That's who's making. Like the little guys that rinse your mouth? Nothing glamorous. Nothing anything, but built it up and then sold the company made millions of dollars. Boring shit like that makes money. Yeah. You know what I mean? The twist tie guy lives in Arizona somewhere. Those little fucking twisty things. Yeah. I mean, he invented it and had the patent for it, but he just sold it all. Yeah. Like somebody else do it and he was just millions and millions of dollars. Of course. Yeah. Who the fuck? You gotta have an idea though. I mean, but that's an idea. This isn't even an idea. This is something that exists. Yeah. And he's like, I'm going to. He just bought it. Yeah. This isn't even like. Made it better. Like paper cups. It's not a brilliant idea. It's just that there's a market for this and I'm going to do that. It's just very business smart. So that's what he did. Now this is not glamorous. No. But he knew this is where he could build a lot of money. He could build this into a big powerhouse, establish ties with newspapers everywhere and, you know, then find other products to sell them and shit like that. He called it big flower press. He told a friend that, you know, that's how that's that was a good name for it here. They passed a field of sunflowers one time and he and the children called out big flower and they went big flower press. That's cool. Some Ukrainian child going big flower. Big flower. That's it. That's terrible. And he said, big flower press. That doesn't matter with the name of the company. So he's also serving on the boards of the municipal art society and the YMCA. He attained the title of chairman at jazz at Lincoln center. So when they do jazz there and he works closely with Winton Marsalis, the horn player. Oh, wasn't he in the night show band or something? I don't know. Like in the 80s or something. I'm a little bad at names. He's a black guy trumpet player, horn player, play some kind of horn. I don't fucking know. Winton? Winton. Now in this is also when they buy this house in the East Hamptons. They buy a house at 59 middle lane. That's the address in East Hampton. They paid $2.7 million for a 1992 money. Okay. And at the time, no, what do you think? How many of these episodes have we done? Do I usually look shit up? Yeah, I said, fuck it. I just said, that's a lot of money. So yeah, 2.7 million. It's a long kind of one story, like a raised ranch type of thing. That's not what it's going to look like after they get done with it. Oh. Oh no. No, this is, they're buying this for the bones. They're going to, they're going to level it. They're going to make it huge is what they're going to do. It's owned by Mr. and Mrs. William Lord, who was an old family that's lived there forever. Now their daughter-in-law Pam Lord, people they bought it from, is a nationally renowned gardener. I didn't think that existed. You get it nationally? I didn't know how they would know. The way you plant your flowers thousands of miles away, she agreed to help them landscape the property. She's buying it and they're going to buy it from her and she'll landscape it? Well, just bought it from her. This is their niece or something. So she's just, she knew, daughter-in-law, she just knew that she had done it before. So they said, yeah, you want to be the gardener, you can be the gardener. So, or at least the landscape here. The designer, yeah. Jen Arosa announced that she wanted all yellow plants in the front and all blue plants in the back. That was her thing. So Pam Lord said, I'm not doing this. This is ridiculous. That's no way. I'm out of here. So she fucking took off. I'm not working with you if you're going to be crazy. One artist said, quote, the homes around here start at 6 million and go all the way up to 30 million. Try 84 million as we found. He said, you've got Steven Spielberg, Martha Stewart, Calvin Klein, P Diddy. This is back in years ago. Ralph Lauren, Carolyn Kennedy. This is the land of the rich, famous and infamous. So the house, they're renovating the shit out of it. They're making it from a one-story kind of low-key affair to a two-story English style home. Very fancy. Look like an English country manor is what they were looking for here. They wanted to have twin front gables, an overhang roof, all this type of shit. They wanted to have the spirit and look of a thatched cottage. Sure. It's only rich people even know what that is. He says a lot of nice words that sound amazing. In a real estate listing, it sounds great. So she fights with one contractor after another. Because she's not easy to work with. One is Jeff Gibbons. He's an architect and he goes out on his own from his company he worked at. And the Ammons are his first clients. He recalled the situation thusly. Quote, she basically left me crumpled up on the side of the road. That's not good. He means that figuratively. He said after three years of bullying from her, the end came when Genarosa heard him casually explaining to a third person what he'd done to the house. They were asking about it. She freaked out and said, you're not telling people you designed my house, are you? And he said, well... Tell them what I did. He said who did. And she said, I did. You only copied things out of books. Oh boy. He's an architect. He designed this. So he said then she would stiff them on his last bill. And when he talked about it, she threatened to put him out of business with her lawyers. So he had to eat shit basically. That's what sucks about working for rich people is they fuck you over. And then they'll make you sue them to get paid 20 cents on the fucking dollar. It's a classic rich person maneuver. They all do it. So there's another poor son of a bitch here, landscaper Peter Cicero. He started his own business based on them being his first clients as well. One day he went with Genarosa to a nursery to choose tulips. Okay. They don't have yellow ones. But you know, he said, now you know tulips look one shade in the morning light and a different shade in the evening light. That's how tulips are. Yeah. You can't make new tulips. That's nature. You're right. So he planted 600 tulips of the shade that she chose. Right. He said that the weekend, that weekend he drove up to find her in the garden. He said her hair all in a mop, pulling out the 600 tulips quote like a wild boar. 600 tulips, expensive 600 tulips is by the way. I can't imagine. Yeah. She said that they were the wrong shade. You, you fucking idiot. Wow. He claims he was ordered to pay for the tulips himself. That's on you. He said she was always invoking scat and arps, which is a law firm that she, that was her retained law firm. He said he had to pay for the yellow roses that are the yellow tulips that she ripped out along the front of yellow roses. She, that she ripped out along the front fence too, because their shade was wrong. Oh my God. I can't make flowers in the shade you want. This is what nature has given us. Right. This is, do you like it or not? This is called photosynthesis. They do what they do. Yeah. You can't fix that. He had to remove all the trees he planted by the front door, also at his own expense, when she learned they didn't grow red berries like she wanted them to. Yeah. Jesus. Once he said that she called his bookkeeper at 5 a.m. to rant about bubbles in the pool. The bookkeeper said, what's, what's wrong with them? I don't understand. And she said they're blowing the wrong way. The wrong direction. The bubbles in the pool are blowing the wrong. It's his fault. Imagine that. Other contractor, here's another one had another problem, but he tried to look at the positive side of generosity. He said she did have vision and she was genuinely creative. Yeah. He said she remembered a particular mosaic she designed in the bathrooms. He said, I sort of admired her as a woman. She was really powerful. He said, could be a little scary though. Yeah. He said one time when she was angry at me, she told me, quote, that my mother died of insanity, and that she'd had to struggle to be where she was and that she'd be damned if anyone was going to take that away from her. Her mother died of insanity? Died of insanity, which is a, wow. I think she died of cancer. I was going to say insanity, otherwise known as cancer. Yeah. So another friend said she's a little just in public and socially, she's a little rough. One person said of her, talking about Ted saying she used to correct him in front of people all the time. At a parent teacher function, one friend said, one of the mothers was talking to Ted, as parents do, when Generosa came over and screamed at the woman to stop flirting with Ted. Oh my God. So that's rough. Same thing in the, socially in the Hamptons kind of happened as in the city. One friend said the clubs and socializing weren't really his thing. It wasn't really into it, basically. One couple that traveled with them said that Generosa had become a, quote, rough blade. These rich people have really weird phrases and idioms. I don't get it. Another people said that if you called Ted at home, Generosa would yell at you. So that was with like professional people calling him to, you know, crazy. So now they announced at one point that for the sake of the children, they were moving to England where they bought that crazy estate where they would live full time. Didn't really happen that way. Though he comes back, lives here, he has business, then he goes over there and she's setting up the state over there. She's going to live there full time. Pretty much. I'm going to get you out of this fucking country. In 1996, without being asked or anything, he gifts Bucknell University with $15 million. They're like, damn, that's cool. Get your name on a building for that. Yeah. That's pretty good. So by 1999, his business is booming. He was right about Big Flower Press. They're publicly traded. I guess they had nearly $2 billion in gross annual revenues. My God. He's doing great. Now he said this is the time to sell. He wants to sell. So he approached a Boston financier and suggested a buyout. Maybe you want to do this. So this guy ended up doing that and taking the company private with the help of another investment banker who's a close friend of Ted's and his neighbor on 92nd Street. So Ted spins off a piece of the company and used it to start Chancey Lane Capital, which is an investment firm, kind of like the one he worked for, KKR, but mom and pop shop. That's what he liked the best, was looking for deals. So now he sold that. He's still very, very rich. He's doing wonderful with everything except not doing too great with his marriage here. He stayed in New York to sell the business. So he's barely getting over to England. He lived at the Lowell Hotel at 63rd Street on weekdays after the 92nd Street townhouse was sold and he'd spend weekends in England. So he's commuting from England five days a week. They have a manor house in Surrey, which Jenarosa had done over, of course, in the way that she does things. Now, the fact that he's in New York and she's not leads her to be very suspicious of him during the week. She hires many multiple private investigators to keep an eye on Ted. Private investigators. Private investigators. And they later became, or she became to, came to believe because of these investigators that Ted was involved in an affair with a very, very attractive blonde New York investment banker. So who specialized and leveraged buyouts, you know, like we did before we were in podcasting. We specialized and leveraged buyouts. What I'm dealing with is regular buyouts. No, fuck it's got to be leveraged. Leveraged is the only way. It's the only way. I won't participate otherwise. I won't. I won't be a part of this, Jimmy. One colleague describes the banker as quote, a little older version of Gwyneth Paltrow, a willowy blonde. This is in like 2003. So wait, basically Gwyneth Paltrow, 10 years ago is what they're describing. Her looks are excellent, but are just part of the package. The friend said a friend of Ted called her a bright New York sophisticated, very savvy girl, the very antithesis of Generosa. Oh, yes. She earned millions of fucking dollars here too. She killed it. She had her own house in the Hamptons. Looking like a power couple. Looking like a power couple and looking like a power couple because she has a baby. Oh. And so Generosa believes that's Ted's fucking baby. More on that later. But she thinks not only is he banging some hot investment banker, he's knocking her up and everything else. So by 2000, Ted is worth more than $80 million. That is insanity. Holy crap. And this is after hemorrhaging money doing all this crazy shit. Then summer of 2000 comes along and Generosa comes back from England in the summer of 2000 with the children to initiate divorce proceedings. Oh, she wants out. Now she wants out. She said, yeah. And they said, a couple's mutual friends said she was rough. One former friend said, all you had to do was say hello to Ted and that was that. Really? She didn't want anything to do with you forever. You're on his side now. You're done. If she heard that Ted had dinner with mutual friends, she'd call the friends the next morning and tell them she never wanted to talk to them again, how fucking dare they betray her. Enjoy. Listen. Nice succulent chicken meal. Listen, yeah, we're friends with everybody. Yeah. How dare you fucking eat dinner with my husband? One friend said she cut everyone off. She didn't have a friend in the world. Now at this point, he's, you know, set to lose a shitload of money even in divorce, but he doesn't care. He doesn't care. He'll have enough money, he'll make more, and he doesn't have to deal with the wife that he doesn't like. So great. Not an easy divorce, as you might imagine with these two. Too much money involved for it to be clean and easy. Yeah. And when you propose something, when you got an asshole, will they propose something, you go fine and they go, no. No. And then they make it worse. Yeah. She would hire and fire divorce lawyers one after the other. She made crazy demands too. This is not like I want half. This is, according to one source, she claimed that Ted was worth more like $300 million. So she wanted like $150 million. She's like, I don't have $150 million. So I can't give you 100 million. He ends up having 100 million, but by the time this is all going, but not 300 million. She later explained here that quote, Ted wanted an amical divorce in which everything would be shared. But thereafter, he took the very different courts, a course of both hoarding, income and assets and concealing assets, even after repeated disclosure orders by our state Supreme Court. That's from Generosa. She said that one person who was very knowledgeable to the situation. I think one of Ted's legal team said that Ted was in full compliance and his legal team provided $45,000 worth of financial records and discovery. That's as much as you need to disclose. I don't think that's a lot. They said that the main thing that is the sticking point is he had some stocks that were up and down. So his value would go up and down. One, he had a stake of about 1.7 million shares in a publicly traded internet advertising firm called 24 seven media. At its peak, the stock was trading at $69 a share. But it's a .com thing. So as we know that tomorrow, it could be worth nothing. It could be worth nothing. That stock went from gold to toilet paper in a day real fast. So they said that at that point that made him that investment worth $113 million for him. But then when .com started collapsing in spring of 2000, it plummeted and it wasn't worth shit really after that. So definitely wasn't worth $100 million. So these are her demands. She wants $50,000 a year for a bodyguard, $50,000 a year for a housekeeper, $50,000 a year for a chef, $50,000 a year for a driver, $30,000 a year for a gardener, $100,000 for a personal assistance, $60,000 in quote, residential maintenance. That's just for the New York. That's just for the New York place. Then Coverwood, which is the name of their home manner in Surrey, she said she needed an additional $100,000 of maintenance a year on that as well. She basically demanded about $180,000 a month in basic living expenses. Uh, $2.5 million a year. Exactly. $2.5 million a year. That was even, that was after he gave her half. Yeah. Fuck you. $40 million and $2.5 million. I think you can, I think you can fix up your house with the $40 million I gave you. I think you'll be all right. I think you'll be fine. That is wild. Holy shit. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. So that's nuts. At this point, they got Coverwood, they have the East Hampton House, they have a West Broadway loft. That's the one that's your Soho loft and her new home, which is a townhouse at 10 East 87th Street in New York City as well that she buys. This is unbelievable. This is fucking crazy. She wants everything and wants them to be broke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And pay her. I want everything. Uh-huh. Arrested development. Why can't I have everything? Why can't I have hair and money and he have nothing? That's what it is. Why can't I have hair and money and he have nothing? That's that would be what's all I want. She wants that. So yeah, this summer of 2010 had bought a 10th floor apartment at 1125 Fifth Avenue thinking that Generosa and the children might live there, but she didn't like that place. Not good enough for her. I don't even like the place. Nope. So she preferred a townhouse that she found off Fifth. So Ted moved into the apartment. I'll fucking live there. You get the townhouse. I don't care. He paid 9 million for the townhouse, by the way. I don't like a 9 million. No, no, no. That's the apartment. So he bought her a 9 million dollar townhouse because she didn't like the apartment on Fifth Avenue that he bought her. Unbelievable. Whoa. That's crazy. A renovation budget for this 9 million dollar townhouse. They agreed that she could spend a million dollars renovating it. Changing it into whichever way she wanted it. Which is crazy. So work begins in September of 2000. So it's all under construction. So as a temporary fix, she moves into the Stan Hope Hotel on Fifth Avenue, which is not Doug Stan Hope's hotel. No. No. It's a real classy, elegant place. It's not painted crazy. Not painted crazy because it's not a trailer in the Bisbee Desert. It's nothing like that. A bald woman is your fucking concierge. None of that. None of that. So by the way, they said by now she has an entourage of servants wherever she goes. So it's her, the kids, two nannies, a bodyguard, a driver. A bodyguard. This one, that was like eight people in the whole career. You're not important enough to have a bodyguard. No one cares about you. No. So at the Stan Hope, she takes a 1500 dollar a night suite. She stays in. Then a large room for the nanny and the children. Then at least two more rooms for members of the townhouse work crew that she has to work with. It's insane. This is, she's just blowing money. Yeah. One of the guys that ends up kind of being at her suite an awful lot is Daniel Pelosi. He's the electrician. That's not just his poor nickname. He's the electrician. He's an actual electrician. He's actually showing up to do electric work. He lives out on Long Island, not in East Hampton, a more reasonable area. He's married with three kids. Okay. He's a high school dropout. Drug and alcohol abuser over the years. Big rap sheet, lots of drunk driving charges and like bar fights and he's a dipshit. He's living it up. He's a Long Island mook is what he is. He's a Long Island fucking, you know, just one of these, one of these like mook, guinea fucking. Stun around his whole life. I know a million guys exactly like this, but that way that's why I'm so tuned into this. I know this guy. He is handsome though. He's a handsome guy. But other than that, he's got to have a lot going for him here. He apparently acknowledged at one point after he, when he filed a suit, a lawsuit after a work related incident claiming a back injury, he said that's what led to his drug addiction. Yeah. It was that which happens. He married pretty young. He married a 19 year old at the time and he was like 20 or 21. And they ended up having three kids. That's Tammy. We'll talk about her. A little bit about Danny's background just to give you who he is here. Grew up very different than both of these people here. On the first day of sixth grade, he's in a new school and he got into a fight with a boy and was disrespectful to a teacher, which I mean sixth grade. It's the kind of the, the meaning of boys will be boys there. They're going to fight. They're going to tell the teacher to fuck off and then they go home and their dad yells at them and they say they're sorry and that's how it works. So his dad gave him a good spanking. So he settled down a little bit. He joined little league. I was trying to get a shit together. Then he misbehaved at school again. So the teacher hit his knuckles with a yardstick, Catholic school style. Danny went home and told his father, his father was pissed off. I hit my kid, not you. That's what he said. So he went to the school to see the teacher picked up the fucking yardstick and said, is this what you hit my son with? And the teacher said, yeah. So he whacked the teacher with the yardstick and said, how's that feel? And then quote the only one who hits my son is me. I'll beat his little fucking ass, but you don't touch him. All right. Oh boy. Wow. And that is, that is Long Island Italian back in the day. That's how he grew up. He said, how does that feel? So one night when he was 13, Danny and his buddies got shit faced, raided the liquor cabinet, got drank everything they could. They're drinking fucking creme de menthe, whatever they can get their hands on, whatever's in there. They don't care. Peach schnapps. It doesn't matter. Danny got real sick and didn't want to drink anymore. He got the shit kicked out of him for it also. He got punished for sneaking out on his motorcycle, stealing his father's boat, oh boy, things like that. He's, he's a tear away. But he grew, he used to be kind of a short wimpy guy, but he turns into a big tough guy, ladies man. He gets into boxing. He does golden gloves and stuff. He hung out with bad kids in school basically. He hung out there, the bad kid group. From this book, they say, and this is an interesting sentence, strangely he chose to begin speaking in a crude, uneducated way unlike his parents. He wanted to be a different guy. Yeah, exactly. That's what he was looking for. They said his teeth were crooked. He seemed to chew his words when he spit them out. That's what they said. And he's hanging out with rough kids from blue collar backgrounds. And using their profanity laced D's dem does brand of speech. You know, they'll fucking New York style. Street dumb dumb. So he felt he had to be strong and tough. He needed to protect his family and all that. He and his friends got into trouble for stealing a case of beer. That was the first time he was like arrested. Danny's parents were embarrassed, but they hired a lawyer and stood by him and all that kind of thing. His dad is a standup guy, I will say later on. February 1980, he gets kicked out of high school for trespassing on school grounds. This off hours, maybe. Okay. Yeah. Not supposed to be there. Otherwise, you know, you're supposed to be there for a certain amount of time. He tried to take five girls to the prom. Nice. That's a crazy move. You have to run a limo for that. Crazy move. He didn't. No. No. Just walk him there. He picked them all up separately. And basically picked them all up separately, dropping them off, making an excuse, and picking up another in his father's new Cadillac. Wow. Which is very weird. Pick one up, drop them off. I gotta get my friend. I'll be back. Getting five girls? Five girls like that. Then he crashed the car. Oh my God. Like an idiot. So the next morning he didn't come home. His dad found his new car and Danny at a repair shop with the front end all fucked up in the hood all bent. Smashed windshield. And there was a girl just passed out in the back seat. Like hold on a minute here. In the shop. You're having way too much fun. She's up on the lift and everything. Hey, yo, Catty. When you wake up, don't just try to step out of the car. You gotta let us know we'll lower you, is it right? Because it's gonna be. Wake you, wake you. You're gonna have a nosebleed up there. You're gonna fucking tumble to your death probably. Let's help you. So he said, Danny said, wait, wait. I could explain. It was running from his father around the car. Finally his father told him, you know what? I'm not gonna chase you. You gotta come home sometime. You betcha. That's how it was. He met his future wife, Tammy, at a graduation party the summer after senior year. She was still going to graduation parties a year after he graduated. Now she was totally different than him. She was a good student, was on the volleyball team, a member of the leaders club on the prom committee. Yeah. She does like extracurriculars and school shit. Sure. She wasn't into Danny. No. Nope. Absolutely not. He's wheezing dems. This is no good. Didn't like, not too rough for her. Wasn't a thing here. So that's interesting. Now she was at the boyfriend, at the party with her boyfriend who was a big asshole guy. They had an argument and this asshole guy slapped her in the face in front of everyone at the party, which is crazy. That's insane. Oh my god. So Danny came over and slapped Ralph. This is the guy, the boyfriend and said, try me out. Yeah. He was asshole. Let's see what you got. Someone your own size. So they ended up going outside and Danny beat him up. He was a boxer. So he punched him a few times, knocked him out. So then he went over to the guy who was knocked out and said, from now on she's dating me. I won her. She, this isn't a fair. He didn't knock down all the bottles and now you get the girl. Like what are you, what are you doing? He just hit the three point shot on the vent rim. He just did that. He took that big mallet when caping. And it went all the way up to you get the girl. Ding, it rang the bell and he's like, she's mine now. I need to date her now. And he took her like a giant, like fucking, like a giant penguin stuffed animal off the. He won her in a fight. That's great. Then he turned to Tammy and said, hey, from now on you're dating me. And she said, no, no, no. But then he kissed her and she went, all right, I guess. I went out with it. This is the craziest, most long island story I've ever heard in my life. This is insane. One or in a card game. One or in a fucking card game. So Pelosi, this is the guy we're coming from here. He is the head of the crew and the electrician here. Now he starts recommending all these elaborate, expensive things to her to do to the house and all of that kind of shit. The pipes that have to be replaced. Yeah, because I need money. We got to move these I beams, move I beams. Yeah, you're fucking mine. So they're gutting this townhouse here. And Jen Arosa liked that because she said spend as much as you want. Yeah, it's all his money. And she also said, you're kind of cute. Absolutely. He's married with three kids. Well, so she married with two kids. Doesn't matter. They're both kind of, he's blown away by living in a nice hotel and having all this money. And gets to fuck the hot boss. And she said that Danny's everything that Ted isn't. You know, he's brash and he's an idiot and all that stuff. Poor, all the things that he's not. An alcoholic. Yeah, in and out of jail, things like that. Danny said it was the princess and the pauper. That was the relationship. She came from a world of enormous wealth, been to every continent. And I've been to Florida. You fucking move. I've been to Florida. I've been to Florida. You still are a weird couple. Ah, funny. So the $1 million agreed upon renovation soon becomes $4 million. $4 million. Of renovating. Half the price of the price tag of the place. That is insanity. Wow. So Pelosi, Danny says, I ended up staying at the job instead of driving all the way back to Long Island. Yeah, why go home when I can get Pelosi here? Nobody commutes from the city all the way to the middle of Long Island every day. Oh, wait. No, I'm sorry. Hundreds of thousands of people do that. All day. They have a fucking train that goes right there. It's all right. They're expressway. It's all happening. He said one morning, Jenarosa showed up and found me sleeping in the truck. In the truck. And she said, none of her workers sleep in the truck. She said, you're going to stay at the stand hope. I'll get you a room at the stand hope. What? Yeah. He said, of course I knew why. Of course I was flirting. Yeah, I was in the middle of a divorce. You know, things with Tammy were rocky, mainly because he's staying in Manhattan fucking some rich lady. He said, and this was a very attractive, elegant lady who told me she was getting divorced. She told me she hadn't had sex in two years, you know. Why would she tell you that? About two years. Why are you on that conversation? I figured I'm going to bang her out a little bit. How did her distance between now and sex come in between a circuit that I'm running for the fucking lights in the bathroom? Hey, that I'd be. I don't like the location. If you move it three feet over to this way, how long has nobody been up inside you? You know what? I'm fucking you now. How's that? What do you think of this wallpaper? When's the last time you got your ass right? I mean, really good. I mean, I mean, balls against your asshole pound that I'm talking about. Really a good shot. One of these where you're like, oh my god, afterwards I got to take a break. You know what I'm saying? One of those been a while, right? Wow. So he said, quote, just to think she wanted something to do with me blew me away. It was the biggest ego trip in the world. Every guy on my job begged me not to fool around with her because they were afraid I'd get fired and we'd lose our job. It's her all getting paid. Like, this is crazy. We just suggest shit and she pays for it. We make extra money. Awesome. They were all worried this would go away. You know, like it happens when people get involved. No, he was going all the way to the bar cart of the gravy train to fuck the bartender right in the face. Go, what do you think about that? Huh? It's my gravy train. So he said the next thing I knew it, I was driving around in a limousine, putting the wine menu in front of me. That's not even written in English. You know, I drink Bud Light. It's that easy. Yeah. Cause you're the electrician. Yeah. He just shouldn't be. I don't know what these are. Yeah. So 2001, Pelosi is now living with her. Danny and her are living together at the stand hope here, which is across from the Metropolitan Museum. That's important in a minute. Don't worry. Yeah. That'll come in to play here. So they took, I guess the Ammons here, Jenarosa and Ted took turns sharing the East Hampton house on the weekend. They rotated weekends. You get it this weekend. I get it next week. Straight away the kids. Exactly. Well, that's the, that's whoever had the kids would get the house that weekend. That's how it was. They said that summer, Danny became a fixture in the Hamptons. And a fixture with Jenarosa. He said, I absolutely fell in love with her. Yeah. I fell in love with her. It was something about, I couldn't put my finger on it. You know, something. Couldn't possibly be all the pussy and money. Just, you know, I mean pussy money. It was a good, it was a good. So now the Ammons here, they have, they're trying to work out a settlement Ted and Jenarosa. And the kids are really in the middle of all this mess. These two poor adopted kids have seen enough strife in their life. Right. Danny said the parents were so involved in the divorce, they forgot about the kids. It wasn't fair. I mean, it just wasn't right. You are the one causing a distraction though. You're making this real difficult. Yeah. You are rectifying their mom's lack of sexual activity on a daily basis. Now this shit is expensive, by the way, all this shit. Fuck, yes. They would start out, this is just a day of Danny and Jenarosa here. They'd start out with breakfast at the hotel each morning for the whole entourage. That'd be about 500 bucks a morning. They'd tip the Bellman $50 to walk the dog each time. Oh boy. Dogs piss a lot. A lot. Yeah. Three, four times a day. $100 tip from bringing the car from the hotel's garage. That's on top of the $38 valet fee anyway. So $100 to that guy. All of this and the bills would just be forwarded to Ted. Total in about $70,000 a month in bullshit. Oh my God. Like this. They hung out at the bar all the time, Danny and Jenarosa. At dinner, Danny would leave tips of $100, sometimes $200. This is not his money. Danny's spending? Throwing it around like fucking water. Holy shit. They said that the tips didn't quite compensate for what one of the people described as the couple's boorish and abusive behavior. Oh, they're a nightmare too. Well, she's an asshole like this. She thinks everyone's her servant and he doesn't know any better. So if that's how you treat people, based on how she's treating people. He thinks that's what you do because he doesn't know. He's a fucking idiot for a long time. So anyway, Jenarosa saw a hotel employee talking to Ted when he picked up the children. She would get mad and try to get that employee fired because she would say that they were a spy for Ted. Ted is paying for this lady. Yup. In the bar at the hotel, sometimes she would just yell at random people and say, I know you're a spy for my husband. What is going on with her? I'm in town from Des Moines. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have a meeting I have to go to. My company sent me here. I sell shower rings. This is crazy. Yeah, what the fuck? These are very light. They have helium in them. So on New Year's Eve, they're watching the TV. As people do on New Year's Eve, everybody's watching the TV. She shouted, turn the television off. I want it off. What? That's what she said. And they didn't know what to do. And Danny would tell people all the time, I know guys in the mafia, you know. Oh, boy. You know, I talk like this, so obviously I know mafia guys, basically. So one person said that Ted's paying these enormous bills, and it would piss him off, especially the town home home renovation, quadrupling in price. And he was really pissed off that Danny's always with his children. Yeah. He said one of his friends said that made him fucking crazy. Yeah. Well, I mean, it loses mind, which anybody would. Yeah. Especially if he's a bum. So. And I'm paying for him. I'm paying for him. Now, Pelosi's, this is Danny's wife, Tammy, said that Danny went to work for Generosa and soon after, he was never home anymore. He was gone all the time. She said how excited her husband had been when he first landed the contracting work here. But they found themselves, for a while, with more money than they ever had. Her bank account was full, Tammy's, but she said that at home, he was never home. He'd spend less time with the family. Something was wrong is what she said. So she said her husband began receiving lavish gifts from Generosa. He soon moved out of their home and went to live in Manhattan in the high rise, like as we talked about. She said, this is his wife said, he still took care of us, I guess, because of the guilt he felt. He kept making improvements on the home and giving me gifts. And I said, I don't want gifts. I just want you with the kids and our lives back. Right. He was like, ah, nope. So one person said also that Generosa reneged on the initial pledge of joint custody with Ted with the kids. Now she wants all custody. Soul custody. Absolutely. She, Ted told friends that she repeatedly failed to produce the kids for scheduled time with them. One weekend when the children were supposed to be with Generosa, he went to a theater with friends. It's not his weekend. So doing what he wants to do. At intermission, he made a phone call and his friend said he looked real worried. He said, shit, I have to go right now because Generosa decided on a whim. She's going to the Hamptons with Danny and dropped the kids off with the doorman at the building, at his building he's living at. My kids are standing out front of my house. They're sitting with the doorman with their fucking luggage and backgrounds and shit. So he had to drive to the, he had to leave the theater and go do that. He said that also that she was poisoning the kids against him. She told them that their dad had mob connections and that's why he made money. She told them that the kids that he'd stolen money told the kids that he'd had their phones bugged because he was spying on everybody. According to one person, Ted claimed that Generosa even told the children that a big set, this is the thing that the kids remember later, the big satellite dish on top of the Metropolitan Museum of Art across Fifth Avenue from the Stanhope, she told the kids that Ted had that installed as a means to spy on them. It's a listening device. Yep. Ted said he had to take the kids into the museum and get the curators to explain the dish and what it does and that Ted didn't put it in because they were convinced that he was spying. Then she thinks he's having an affair, like we said with the investment banker, which really pisses her off. She later said and I quote, Ted had taken up with a woman from his past and was also having an affair with another woman by whom he had a baby. The difference is, I guess the blonde investment banker was living with another guy, a very well-known Manhattan businessman. And the reason that Ted was with her all the time, Ted was working with her, but that guy was having an affair with her. Ted was being a wingman. Atta boy. The baby is this other guy. Ted never fucked this lady. It's not, he's had some other girlfriend, but not her. Yeah. Not the one that- He's got a girlfriend, but it's not just some fucking affair. Yep. One close friend said, it was my impression that if there had been a romantic involvement, which he never once fessed up to, that it was sort of past. And in recent times, it was my impression that she was just a real good friend of his. I would be astonished if that child was actually his. And it was later proven that the private investigator just said, I saw them together, must be them. Ted never had an affair with her and the baby she had wasn't his. It was one of Ted's colleagues. That's who he was having an affair with. She hired shitbag PIs and they get all the money in the world. Couldn't get it right. So then there's courtroom confrontations. Generosa would arrive with her entire entourage, including Danny. And they'd all yell at Ted's lawyers in the hallway and yell at Ted, which is wild. Her own lawyers had managed to persuade her that Ted's representations of his net worth were correct. They said, listen, he's got less than $100 million. He doesn't have 300 million. We can't get 300 million because he doesn't have 300 million. So they said, you're going to get between 20 and 25 million and your house and some other properties and shit like that are going to be sold. And you're going to get pieces of that. That's how this works. She wanted full custody of the kids and the judge said, no, one week for you, next week for Ted. That's how this works. She was real pissed off, but she said, fine, drop the fucking papers and we'll get it over with. Okay. Let's do this. So October 2001, the divorce is almost final. Papers are being drawn up by the end of the month. This shit will be signed, sealed and finished. God, I'm lucky I was the brokest person in the world who didn't even have a fucking checking account when I got divorced. Made it a lot easier. This is insane. Made it a lot easier. She thinks that she just gets to keep everything. Everything. That's not how divorce works. No, you're not living the same. You'll get some. It generally gets split down the middle and then financially he takes care of anything. I may build their empire together. That's fine. I'm not saying that she didn't come in at the. Sell it all and split it. She didn't come in at 11.59. She built it. It's fine, but you don't get more than he has. So October 17th, 2001, one of Ted's long time house servants filed suit against him. Okay. For several large sums owed to them, they say. This was Steven, a Guderian and Bruce Reidner, a pair described by a former family friend as Laurel and Hardy, one tall and gaunt, the other short and heavy set. They worked for the Ammons for almost a decade and as mainly as close to Jen Arosa as part of her entourage there. Now they're pissed off. They said Ted went back on a promise to pay the costs of their relocation back to the U.S. from England when they were all went over there. A sum they claimed to be $137,690.91. That's what their move cost? That is, I'd never heard that before. What did they move? Yeah. What did you move? Buckingham Castle, the fucking you taking over at the London Bridge. You think people who brought it to Havasu, what are we talking about? Those are the shipping fees? What are we talking about? On the Statue of Liberty? Did you bring the statue over from France? They said that Ted had promised to buy them a home upon the termination of their employment and to give them at least $2 million in cash or security. To do what? To be fired? I don't understand. That's some kind of severance. For what? What did they do? That's what I'm wondering. Yeah, I guess they, that's crazy. Sign me up for that, John. Fuck. They said that they had paid family bills totaling nearly $25,000 out of their own pockets that had not been reimbursed. They said that monies advanced to security guards, $3250, equestrian bills $2,898.67, et cetera. Poor stuff. Shit that they had to, whatever, I'm surprised they didn't have a credit card for the family. So they said that Ted had cheated them out of at least $750,000 in internet stock as well. They seek more than $7.5 million from Ted. Cheated them. Cheated them. People let know Ted said he laughed at the lawsuit and threw it to the side. Yeah, stupid. This is ridiculous. So Ted still has deals working. This is when he becomes the chairman of jazz at the Lincoln Center in 2001. He played jazz music as a kid too. He was big into jazz and big into music. He just began helping plan a temporary memorial at the World Trade Center. This was October 2001, big deal for the municipal arts society. One of his, the society's chairman said Ted was just in fact finding his civic roots. So he was doing all sorts of charity shit like that. Ted told another friend here that his daughter, Alexa, had broken down in tears in front of him and was so sad about everything. And he said that he just couldn't wait for the papers to be signed so he could start spending more time with his kids and start healing this whole mess. He thought paper signed, everyone will chill out. All the claws will go back in. It's all back. Yeah. Saturday, October 20th, 2001, Ted decides he's going to come out to the East Hamptons that weekend and stay at the house. And he drives out there in his silver Porsche. Living it up, man. God, he's having a great time. So he decided to spend the house there and it's something, the weekend there at the house. It's something he did all the time. And sometimes if he said I'll be back Monday morning, sometimes he wouldn't be back till Tuesday. Yeah. He's too rich to be held to a schedule like that. Sometimes you wake up on Monday and you're like, this wine hangover is no good. I hear the ocean. I'm not driving like this. I hear waves breaking. I'm going to sit around. That sounds good. So this is Monday, October 22, 2001 here. Not unusual, except they had a big meeting that was for a big money thing and he missed the meeting on Monday. So nobody was really concerned anyway. He could still blow it off and make up for it and all that kind of thing. And he would flake on appointments all the time. That's how he met Generosa. Flake it on an appointment with her. Sometimes it pays off. So yeah, then his business partner, Mark Engelson, he started to worry. He said, because he's trying to get a hold of him and he can't get a hold of him. And he said he might miss a meeting or an appointment, but he does not ignore phone calls and messages completely. That's not Ted. So they found out that it was Ted's week to have the kids and that Ted hadn't made alternate arrangements to pick them up due to his extended stay in the Hamptons. So they're like, he wouldn't blow his kids off either. He'd pick them up on Monday morning. They said he might be unreliable some areas, but never when it came to his kids. That was, he was always, if he had a place to be with his kids, he was, it's 505. I got to go now. I got to pick the kids up. So they get, so this guy, him and Ted's chauffeur fly out to the East Hampton airport on a corporate helicopter. Nice. That's not bad. Arriving a little before five, they take a cab to 59 Middle Lane and see Ted's portion drive like, like what the fuck is going on with this guy? Still here. Yeah. So Mark Angelson and the chauffeur enter the house and they're greeted by the three dogs, two golden retrievers in a chocolate lab. Those are three good, petable dogs right there. The dogs seem to be acting funny. They're not, they're not, not so lovable. They're just acting weird. They're like running in weird spots and like, what the fuck is wrong with the, yeah, that's what they're trying to figure out. So they're calling Ted, Ted, Ted, what the fuck. Then they see a trail of blood on the stairs. Oh. They follow the trail of blood as, as one does. And they head up to the master bedroom where they find Ted. He is sprawled out on the bed, completely nude, covered in blood, head beaten in, wounds all over him. He went up the stairs like that. Just absolutely looks like he's been killed five times over. It's horrifying. It's 5.19 PM. They call the East Hampton Village Police Department. Three policemen respond within minutes because they got nothing else to do in this town. And again, a lot of taxes. Village Hall is on tour. Yeah, exactly. And so that's Seinfeld's block. We got to get over there. And they went around confirming there's no one else in the house because it's a big, like 7,000 square foot house. You got to inspect the house. They also discover later on that Ted's, the security system here, which is a big, elaborate security system that had nine individual cameras. And this is in 2001. Now, anybody's trailer has nine cameras. But back then, nine cameras was like the stash house for the, you know, for a local cocaine syndicate would have nine cameras. Nobody else. So Walmart didn't have nine cameras. So they said all these cameras and the system had all been turned off. Everything is off. So they seal the house. They wait for the Suffolk County homicide, which takes an hour to get there. They go room to room thinking that burglary does not appear to be the motive because nothing is ransacked in a house like this. You'd expect to see certain areas of ransacking. So they determined that just tentatively by looking at him, that he probably died at least or was partially killed by blunt force trauma from several blows to the head. Although they also said his body was severely cut. Okay. Now they said, uh, the blood we understand started downstairs and came upstairs and was even in the shower where it looked like the perpetrator or perpetrators may have tried to wash themselves off. They cleaned up. Yeah. Yeah. Covered in blood. They said the trail of blood is present downstairs on the terrace and the blood trail goes upstairs, goes into the bathroom and in another room where it looks like Ted may have been trying to get away. So they're like, these clues don't help much. Right. They help show kind of what happened maybe possibly, but there's no clue to who did this at this point. It was a problem. So they said his body had multiple cuts. The coroner would determine that before Ted was fatally beaten, he'd been incapacitated by a stun gun several times. They can't figure out an exact time of death. They said he could have been killed as early as Saturday night. Or early Sunday morning possibly. But his body is room temperature at this point, they said. The wounds, he had been struck 35 times with what the coroner said was either a baseball bat or a flashlight and wounded several times by a stun gun. Neither weapon is in this house. So they found. Oh, took him with them. Took him with them. And there are, it's so hard when you get to this, there are rumors flying around. And I haven't seen an actual autopsy report and I couldn't find that, but there are rumors around that Ted had his dick cut off. That was one of the rumors that is, that was part of the many severe cuts that they were talking about. But I can't confirm that. So not sure. Later on, someone says that that may have knowledge of it. So I kind of believe it. So they say, yeah, time of death is difficult. They said the house guest of an immediate neighbor recalled that on Sunday, he was painting a watercolor by his host back on. This guy's got an easel set up out in the yard. Get the fuck out of here. I just thought it was painting. Does that was painting a water? Oh God, how rich are you? I was probably a kind of painter. Oh, yeah, I don't need to know that. It was oil based. Yeah. Shut up. And a watercolor. He said he heard several cars crunching over the gravel in the driveway of Ted's driveway. So we don't know who that was or when he just heard gravel crunching. Didn't wasn't good enough to paint a picture of the car that he's like. The watercolor was going to drive. He had to do stuff, man. So they said whoever killed him, they think stole his underwear, his bed sheets, and a computer hard drive that controls the elaborate video security system. Bed sheets and underwear. That's interesting. It's a weird thieving. So I'll put it this way. This is crazy. In this town of East Hampton, this shit does not happen. No. Period. And if it does, it is solved yesterday. Right. So the East Hampton mayor, Paul Rickenbach, used to be a cop. And he said that's the first murder they've had in 19 years there. Last one was in 1982 and not exactly a who done it. A guy got shitfaced in a bar and picked a fight with some other guy who, they got in a fight and the other guy had a knife and stabbed him to death, which is A to B and cuffs. And there you go. And he got his wife. Yeah. It's there you go. And he said, you're dating me now. Well, so that was that. They said the only other murder in the village that they could remember was in the 70s, when a reclusive gay guy who was a theatrical set designer died in a suspicious fire and they wrote it off as an arson suicide. So yeah, which is interesting. Now, the other thing though with Ted here, there's defensive wounds to the hands and arms. Like he's a big guy too. He's in a fight back and he also seemed to have severe cuts as well. Like we said, they said, was it a knife or the edge of a weapon that's a blunt weapon that had an edge on it somewhere else. Blood had soaked into the rug, spattered on the walls everywhere. There's blood outside the bedroom like we talked about base of the stairs, the living room rug, and even out on the rear terrace as well. They said that the killer would have been covered in blood. Absolutely. Absolutely. Covered in blood and that's why they said maybe they took a shower. So they said the plumber's traps and the drains are going to have to be open to search for those and do all of that to see if anybody washed there. Maybe they get hairs, something. They said the body was room temperature, so it likely occurred the murder sometime before it was discovered, you know, because it had time to cool down the room temperature. No murder weapon found on the scene. The area's got to be searched. They call out all the cops they can get to look all through the bushes and the pond in the backyard is dredged and everything to look for anywhere where you would throw a weapon, you know, just to get rid of it. There's no witnesses, obviously. They said an autopsy hopefully will narrow things down, but it's going to be hard. It's really hard to determine time of death. It really fucking is. So they said the, to the right of the living room fireplace stood a black wrought iron stand, you know, your fireplace stuff. Yeah, and irons and all that shit. So he said it was conspicuously empty. They said, where was the heavy metal poker and the shovel? Both of them are gone. That's the two you use the most. You scoop the ashes out the shovel, you gotta move the poker around. I was just doing it last night. They said, were one or both of them the murder weapons? Is there more than one murderer? Yeah. What the fuck? They have no answers. They go around to neighbors. They said that the one neighbor said they heard cars either coming or going, just crunching on gravel. There's no cars. He distinctly remembered the sound of tires crunching. They're like, okay, so a car was there yesterday. Great. That could have been literally anybody. Could have been him. It could have been anybody. Yeah. So they said no one, a preliminary canvas of neighbors. No one heard anything or saw anything. One woman how I wondered how Ted could have been killed without any noise. She said, why didn't I hear the dogs barking? Right. When I heard the dogs over the next couple of days, as things happen in a small town, it just turns into little clues turn into rumors. Wow. Turn into insane shit that people they know what happened now. Oh, they solved it. Yeah. Okay. Aliens came down and sucked his dick off. That's what it had ripped it right off from him. Now, the problem is they, the cops are saying nothing. So people have to make up their own shit apparently because they don't have any answers. So they were saying that rumors are swirling. People are saying it's a crime of passion. Had to be somebody who we fucked that night. Look at what happened. The dick thing and all that. They said, how could a stranger have entered his house without tripping the alarm system and may have been pissing the dogs off. Yeah. So they said that, you know, a police report. They also found saying a naked man had been reported running down middle lane that weekend. Oh. Yeah. They said that's it. So the people said naked guy running down the street. He's in bed naked, dick cut, cut. He's a closet gay guy who's hooked up with the wrong hustler. And that guy took his dick. Took his dick with him and stole and robbed him. That's what happened. They said, yep, you got some rough trade. The old dick's underwear is in bedsheet murderer. That's it. That's all he wants. It's a caper. Well, you got to wrap the dick in something. Yeah. So they said that, you know, they said also a mile or so from the house is two mile hollow beach, which is where gay dudes go to hook up. That's the local hookup spot. They said, so I mean, they go off into the dunes and blow each other. They said, and before long, that's what everybody said. Oh yeah, absolutely. He's a, it's gay. And it's all this big gay thing. So they said, the problem is the strange events that had happened recently, the series of crimes by a local man, a naked man. That's totally not connected to that. They said that he'd been exposing himself to women in the neighborhood, which doesn't line up with that. Also, they said he'd been in the vicinity of Wyborg Beach on foot and in a red car, flashing females masturbating and then running or driving away. But they said the naked criminal had been spotted 11 o'clock Friday morning. So he was gone before, yeah, he was gone before Ted was even in town. So they go, that's not him. Him running down the street wasn't running away from Ted's, whatever. So Ted's friends said that it's, that all seems like complete bullshit. They go, first of all, he wasn't, gave it any of us knew of, number one, and just, just make that up and say that a guy killed him and it's wild. One guy said that he'd always known Ted to be a strongly quote, even aggressively heterosexual, even aggressively. If you got a vagina, his fingers go right toward it. It's just, he's real aggressive with it. Borderline rapist. I mean, honestly, he is, he's a little pushy with the ladies. He really, really likes it. Aggressive heterosexual. I mean, if they said, you know, anybody could have a life that nobody knows about. But they said the naked man apparently, like I said, but it was reported on Friday at 11am while Ted was still in Manhattan. And at least one other occasion at a nearby beach, a man matching the naked man's description had exposed himself in other places. So it doesn't work. And cops don't buy the gay theory as well. They said it seems much likelier that the murder had been committed directly or indirectly by someone that Ted had really had some intimate knowledge with, known for a long time. This is a crime of a lot of violence. Just robbing a guy. Violent passion. It's not just passion. It's violent passion. And you don't get your dick cut off by just a random. Not usually. And like I said, that's if that happened for short. Now they said that also he managed to, he's angered a lot of people in his life being a cutthroat business man especially. Police try to talk to Danny and Generosa, obviously. Yeah, they arrive at the Manhattan apartment where they lived. Danny told the investigators that they couldn't talk to Generosa because she didn't know Ted was dead. We'd sure like to tell her. Oh, don't ruin her day. Tell her to ruin it as she's going to be all pissed off. And he explained Generosa's divorce lawyer had advised them to get criminal lawyers. And one of the detectives said, why would you need a criminal lawyer? We're just trying to find out some background information to see if you know anybody that pissed off at Ted. Trying to solve a dead guy. And he said, were you involved in the murder of Ted Ammon? And he said, no, I wasn't. And they said, what the fuck do you need a lawyer for then? So but rich people get lawyers for everything. Later on that day, Generosa went to Ted's apartment to get the kids who'd been dropped off there after school. Nobody knew. So they were with Ted's housekeeper. And Generosa told them that their father had died out at the beach house over the weekend. She said, quote, your father took too much medication and drank too much. Why do you want to say that? Later when it became public, she told the kids, quote, maybe one of your father's boyfriends killed him. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. She loves poison in the, I mean, this is after he put a satellite dish on a museum to spy on them. So the cops knowing about the alarm system, it's called the rapid eye system. That's the system. So they contact a burglar alarm guy that knows about this shit and asked him, will you come to the scene and explain this shit to us? Because we don't know what we're looking at here. It's a new technology and everything. So they said there was a secret video surveillance system with each camera taking one frame per second on a 90 day loop. They said someone, even the killer could be watching them at that very moment as they investigated the crime scene. If everything was hooked up the wrong way. Yeah. Because that's how it is. So they said a police technical team shut off all the phone lines to the house just in case somebody had been surveilling this. They said that the rapid eye system was hidden behind a wall in the secret safe room under the eaves of the house. He told them that it worked off Ted's fax phone line. He offered to show them, but they wouldn't let him touch anything obviously. So the detectives located the concealed door and entered the safe room. Inside they had a Mad Hatter's tea party still set up from the daughter. Oh. You know, daddy daughter tea party action here. On a long table in the middle of the room. They said there was monopoly money scattered all around games. Fun. Kitshit. They found piles of what looked like cotton candy on the floor. Awesome. Not so awesome. It's actually fiberglass insulation. Oh, shit. Well, this is delicious. No, that's. Ah, don't eat that. Owen Corning's fucking. That's pink panther. Stop eating that. Pink panther killing shit. Yeah, this is bad. So, um, yeah, they said inside the that had been, it all been pulled out of the wall nearby. Not good. Inside the triangular hole where the rapid eye system had been a bundle of black wires that had been connected to a power source and the cameras led off into the dark innards of the house. The video system had been ripped out and taken away. He said it was a good bet that the killer must have had inside knowledge that the system existed and know exactly where to find it. We're gonna know to get it. A random robber would not know in a 7,000 square foot house how to find this fucking system and get it out of here. It's by the tea party set. They always are. It's always in there. It's a secret door. You'd have to know where that is. So they went back downstairs to, uh, you know, to talk to the guy again and they said, who put the cameras in? And he said that John, this is the electrician said me are the burglar alarm guy said me and a workman installed. And they said, well, who knew about the system? He said me and one of my guys put it in. They said, well, who knew about the system? He said me, my employee, uh, Jen Arosa, their lawyers and, uh, Danny Pelosi. That's who knows about it, uh, which is interesting because Danny's friend had recommended this guy for the job of installing it, which is interesting. They said that, uh, also there's Steven, the butler, Bruce, the cook. They'd been there during the installation and also had knowledge. And they said, did Danny know how to unplug the system? And he said, Oh yeah, totally. Yeah, he knew that. So the main drive hard drive of the spy system, this call elaborate thing could not be changed once the photos had been taken. They said, at least not without leaving a trace in the computer that erasures had occurred. Cameras could be shut off remotely using the laptops or, uh, one or all of them, camera wise. Uh, but again, they said the main drive and the separate laptop hard drive would have a record of that. Sure. So that's what they need, but that hard drive has been taken. It's all gone. That's the fucking problem. They said that they never, the burglar guy said he'd never shown anyone how to shut off the cameras, though. He said, if that hard drive was changed, it would have had a different serial number from the original. Oh. So you could check that. He said, that meant, uh, they had to clear this guy, the burglar alarm guy, because he knew how to do all this shit. He had all the expertise, but he had no reason to when he has an alibi. So it's not him. He said the system could also be foiled by someone with a working knowledge of electricity. You know, like an electrician, even an unlicensed one like dipshit Danny, which by the way, he has no license. He's not licensed to be an electrician. The fucking idiot. He said you could pop the electrical meter outside the house before going in. The power cut off would shut the system down, but there would be a record of a power interruption then rebooting on the hard drive. There'd be a time difference in the system clock. The difference between that and the actual time would reveal the length of any possible outage. Also a burglar alarm keypad in Ted's room would have started beeping as soon as the power went out. It might have awakened him. So they didn't think the power went out. So no one turned the power out. Now the funeral for him, uh, more than a thousand people attend Ted's funeral at, uh, at the Alice Tully Hall, which is the home of jazz at Lincoln center. Yeah. Generosa's lawyer is also representing Danny who refused to talk to the cops. They said they need the lawyers who specialize in representing people in this situation. This is a divorce lawyer they had before this. She said she didn't want to hire any big name Manhattan people because she didn't trust them. Yeah. And it's expensive. Yeah. No, she didn't trust them. Money's no object here. You kidding me? But it's his money. We'll talk about that. She said, I don't want anyone who has anything to do with the major law firms because they're all hooked in with each other. They're all in Ted's pocket. Ted's dead. Yeah. No more pockets anymore. His pockets are cremated. Yeah, they were burned up. Yeah. So she hired, they hired Manhattan lawyer, Mike Shaw, who had represented a woman who shot and killed her husband in 1996 while he slept in bed. Oh boy. Oh, okay. He issues a statement where they deny everything. Now Danny has to go to court, uh, to face charges of driving while intoxicated. Nice. Yeah. This is fucking fun. The DWI that he got, his car had been cited weaving on the, uh, on the road less than a mile from his, from the middle lane house in the Hamptons at 3.43 AM. Almost four in the morning. At September, say, whoa, hammered. When he saw the lights flashing, he quickly pulled over and jumped in the back seat and pretended to be sleeping. And he's like, Oh, what are you guys doing here? I pulled over to go to sleep in my car. I didn't pull over because you guys are pulling me over. I'm tired. That's all. They said, get the fuck out of here, bro. Get out of the goddamn car. Are you crazy? So, um, they said that he failed several roadside sobriety tests, refused to take a breathalyzer and they had to, uh, they had to arrest him. So he's coming out of court for this and one of the detectives says to his lawyer, tell him not to be afraid. We just want to ask him about the security system and the lawyer declined to let Danny speak to the detectives about that. So where the fuck was he? Well, Pelosi, Danny tells people that he and his friend, Chris Perino, went out to buy beer in the early morning hours of October 21st around the time when Ted was assumed to have been killed. So he said, yeah, I went out, but it was with my friend to buy beer. We didn't kill anybody. That's crazy. There was also, um, you know, and so that's his alibi. Generosa has an alibi as well. She's with the kids. So they don't know what to do with that. They also want to look at Ted's first wife, uh, also his girlfriend that he's seeing now as well. Any men around them, anybody that might be there, um, they said though, but they particularly were focused on Danny because he's one of the few people who knew the code for the security system. Right. Others included Ted, Generosa and some hired help. They said, Mr Pelosi, this is from the lawyer, denies, absolutely denies any involvement in the murder. They, uh, also referred to the, to his defense lawyer and say, if you want to fucking talk to him, you talk to them. There are other suspects. There's a business partner, uh, the guy, Mark who, who chartered the helicopter. What about the people from England that were suing the shit out of him? Well, let's go down the list here. Here it goes. There's one executive at Ted's firm that had been fired after a dispute with Ted. The split was so acrimonious. They had changed the office locks. Oh, wow. A second executive also had a falling out with Ted and would have to be checked out. A group of investors got burned when a stock that Ted recommended tanked about a year and a half before the murder. They lost millions and were pissed off at Ted. Millions is a reason to kill. A few in the group could not afford to lose what they had lost. So they really were fucked. Uh, he also had business disputes with several other people. He'd arranged to sell his home in 1125 Fifth Avenue for $9.5 million to a second bidder. When the first bidder tried to back out after the 9-11 attacks, Ted wouldn't let him. And according to their contract, Ted kept his $1 million non-refundable deposit. Yikes. So the guy sued Ted. Is a million enough to kill over? I mean, people are killed for, we've had ones where someone got killed for $3. For nothing. So who knows? He's also battling the board on his Fifth Avenue co-op building, which is headed by actor Kevin Klein, by the way. Is that right? I love Kevin Klein. He's one of the greatest actors. So funny. Mary DeCebi shades. Yeah. Yeah. He's getting that, that Fast Times at Ridgemont High poolside titty every night. Unbelievable. This, that's crazy. So I don't know if he's battling Kevin, Kevin Klein's going after him or not. Apparently Ted had sued them because they would not approve his sale to the second bidder. Uh-huh. So who knows? Maybe Kevin Klein had him murdered. Watch out for Kevin. Ammon's first wife, Randy, whom Generosa suspected of having an affair with Ted, had borrowed a million dollars from him. Wow. If you could, that's, that's, that's an amicable divorce. If you could borrow a million dollars from your ex, it's like the Money Pit storyline. Yeah. When fucking Diane, or Diane from Cheers, Shelley Long, borrowed the money. A million dollars. A million dollars. Also, her second husband was a, the, Randy Day, the first wife, second husband was a Greek shipping magnate who had his head blown off with a shotgun in July 1998 while they were in the middle of a nasty divorce. She is a bad woman, maybe. So they're like, that doesn't look good. This is a possible murder, suicide occurred while the husband was in Greece with his girlfriend, with whom they had a child. He had a child. Now she, Randy Day, was in Connecticut at the time of the murder. Under the provisions of this guy's will, everything went to Day's son, but her alimony and expenses were cut off. So they were saying, did they think maybe that Day, who's a banker, had taken out a murder contract on her estranged husband and, you know, so she, so she didn't have to pay back the million dollars. Is that it? Also, there's the cars. A guy, there's an auto body shop. And on Monday morning, October 22nd, he saw a blue 1999 Audi when he came in to open his auto detailing shop. The keys have been dropped through the mail slot. He didn't even know whose car it was or what he was supposed to do with it. It didn't need any body work and no one had made any arrangements to drop it off. So he asked his staff. Nobody knew. He did a license plate check to reveal that it was owned by Ted. So he said, I don't know. He just shrugged. The car had been left there Monday morning by Danny's nephew. By the way, that car is back in the driveway by the time the friends get there. There's a blue Audi back in the driveway. So Danny's nephew dropped this car off, then parked it back in the East Hampton driveway. It sat there for two days until the owner was informed that Danny wanted new brakes installed. He wanted it detailed inside and out and all that kind of thing. Washing and waxing, cleaning, vacuuming, shampooing the rugs, chemical treatment for vinyl surfaces, all sorts of shit. The guy said it didn't even need new brakes, but he was asked to install a new set anyway. So he said, sure. Then he sent the car out for detailing. Also, he gave a Taser stun gun to Tammy. Oh. Stun gun marks all over him. Danny did. He called his younger brother, Jim, who was an NYPD cop, and asked him if it was a violation of his probation to have a Taser. He said, his brother said, they're going to violate you, stupid. Yeah. Fuck yeah. That's not good. So Danny said, can you get rid of it for me? Because I don't want to carry it around if I get pulled over. So he said, yeah, I'll put it in the drop box at work. There's a box that the NYPD has where you can just drop any weapons. No questions asked. They run them for shit and then destroy them. So they called Danny called his ex or called his wife Tammy, or ex-wife at the time or whatever, who called the brother and asked him to come get the Taser because she didn't want it around. Jim, the brother picked it up and drove away with it. Okay. Now the detectives at that point started questioning Danny's family. Danny offered to get his father and other family members lawyers. Oh. Several accepted the offer, but his father and several siblings said, I don't need a fucking lawyer for this. I don't know anything. So the next Saturday after the murder here, Danny took the kids, the twins, to go have some fun. So they drove into the city. Danny drove to the apartment of one of Generosa's lawyer and gave him a laptop computer on which he had watched Ted and his girlfriends at the beach house. This is evidence that he was doing shit at the beach house. After dropping off the computer, they went to Six Flags Great Adventure in Jersey, and the kids had fun. Then after a week, the police are finished going through the beach house, and Generosa hired a cleaning company to replace all the rugs in the bedroom and living room that had sections cut up and removed. She was pissed at the $30,000 in damage done to her house. You bastards. So before the cleanup, Generosa and Danny's lawyers hired top private detectives and forensic investigators to come in and do their own investigation and do after crime scene photos. That investigation doesn't count for anything. It doesn't matter. Yeah, you have no standing there. You're worried about pissing away $30,000. You're pissing away more now? I can't go into a taco bell and go, I'm going to inspect your back for my inspection. It doesn't count for anything. I can't write you up a health code violation. It doesn't matter. So on November 6th, Danny had his first encounter with the press. He was driving Ted's station wagon from the beach house, and he went to check on a few things with Tammy and his kids when he pulled into the driveway and got out of the car, where a reporter called, hey, Danny, and Danny turned to the reporter, knew it's Danny. So he said, I want to talk to you. And he said, did you kill Ted Ammon? And Danny smirked and said, call my lawyer. That's not a yes or no. I'm in the press, not the cops. Yeah, that just means I'm going to put in the paper, you said call my lawyer. So the reporter had gotten the license plate of the vehicle, which was still registered to Ted. So the next day, the newspaper headline was, Other man drives dead mogul's car and says, call my lawyer, call my lawyer. Then the will comes in. Oh, okay. Ted had never changed his fucking will since 1995. He was going to change it after the divorce was final. Never got a chance to change his will. Generosa inherits $81 million. Oh my God. $81 million. Everything. Everything, all the property, the stocks, all the cash, all the, $81 million fucking dollars. Nothing to the kids, everything to her. Yeah, literally. Well, no, I guess it's all financial assets. There's a tax exempt gift of $675,000 to his kids, which that's all that tax trust shit. And all the personal property and effects go to her though. The will was dated August 22nd, 1995. Oh boy. Throughout the whole year long proceeding, he never had it rewritten because the divorce papers hadn't been signed and she was his lawful wife. Still the entire estate passes to her tax free. Because they're still married, so she technically owned it. Yeah. So she gets all of it. You've been pissing away your own money, you dumb shit. Yup, $80 million. And also, after all these interviews, the detectives learned that Danny had Ted's cars all cleaned after the murder. That was suspicious because you could erase trace evidence, shit like that. Their suspicions were deep and when they heard about a supposed red stain on the passenger side rug of the car that was cleaned and a bad smell, could it have been blood? They don't know. So they approached the guy at the shop that does all that and asked him about the cars. And yeah, he said that there was a red stain. He thought that when he heard all of this, the red stain and all this, the guy was putting it all together and he said, holy shit, Danny did this. He said, if the cops are right, his shop had been part of this cover up. And he was just clean blood. He was used to cover up a murder and he was pissed off. They asked who had done the detailing and he gave the name of the place. He told them that he didn't notice any stain on the rug, but he might have missed it. I wasn't looking for that. He said, he told me, this is the guy at the shop said about Danny. He told me when this guy was killed, he was at a wedding. Then he told the detective something else. He said, Danny told me that he heard the man was hit in one room and found in another room. He said there was a lamp missing and they thought the lamp was the thing that was used. They were like, how the fuck would he know that? Yeah, why do you know that? So when asked for the exact words he heard, this guy said that Danny said, quote, allegedly he was bashed in the head, murdered and dragged into another room. They said they noticed that he, this guy said he noticed that Danny had prefaced his remarks by saying that the private detectives that they had hired had told him this. So they might know police people to be able to get into the report. So because a lot of most of those guys are ex cops. So they said that, he said that Danny had asked him if he could fly him out of the country, but he told him that it was just a joke. He was talking about this guy. They asked this cleaning guy, this car guy, if he'd be willing to testify before a grand jury, he said, yeah, sure. He said that he told Danny then that the cops had been around asking questions about him in his cars. And Danny said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it all the time. He said, just told this guy to tell the truth and give him whatever they want. I got nothing to hide. All right. Which is the right way to do it. Investigators spoke to the man who said they saw two men leaving Ted's property on Sunday afternoon after the murder. They said, was it Danny and a friend of his? You know, who was it? The detectives showed the witness a photo array, which included a picture of Danny, but he didn't pick out anybody. Said none of that. I can't pick any of these people out for sure. A lady Danny knew well said, basically tried to extort him. She said, I want money to not tell my story. Give me $10,000 or I'll go to the New York Post and say you did it. Danny replied, suck my dick. Get the fuck out of here. So Danny told her he didn't kill anybody in the cops would never believe her. And he told her that they would see it for what it was, extortion. So she said, how about $1,000? I need a grand. And he said, I'm not paying you a dime. She said, well, could you lend me $380 for my car payment? What? That is a real switch. Now, JPMorgan Chase. Uh-huh. This is interesting. A petition is filed by JPMorgan Chase. The banks as a co-executor with Generosa of the will under normal circumstances, the bank would simply facilitate the transfer of a deceased state to his spouse as the will directs. However, this is a little different. After stating that Ted's estate totaled $81.4 million. Now there's suspicion. Wow. Investments and partnerships, $30.5 million in real estate, $22 million in cash, $14.5 million in other investments, $10 million in securities brokerage accounts, $2.4 million personal and household effects, $1 million in artwork, $1 million that the bank noted that a homicide investigation was pending and that no assets were to be transferred until it was concluded. They also requested the name, to be named sole executor, the bank did. They said the bank has decided to, Generosa said the bank has decided to take sides here, which is very unusual. So they filed a petition to have her remain as co-executor. Yada, yada, yada. Her advisor said, because the bank is hostile, Mrs. Ammon is getting no money. She's out borrowing money. She was getting $50,000 a month in basic expenses from the Supreme Court. The court was entertaining a request to provide a lot more to complete the construction of her new home. She's not a money person. She's just had no money to pay basic obligations for her family. The hostility of the bank in this regard is just horrendous. So yeah, that's what they did. But anyway, she ends up getting the money. $10 million. Now the, the detectives said they were close to solving the murders seemingly. They told the advisor that they're closing doors and said, quote, I think the person or persons who killed Ted will either prove to be an enraged creditor or an enraged boyfriend. That's what the, the, the, uh, advisor told her. Now it's interesting. Uh, the only reason this guy suspects the boyfriend angle is because of what Jen Arosa told him. Jen Arosa had said that in the last couple of months together, Ted became impotent with her and that was unusual. He clearly appeared to be losing affection. So that means he's gay now. He's not interested in pussy anymore. That means he's, doesn't, just didn't find a piece of ass he liked better. That means you don't have a penis. It's not possible that my behavior made his penis soft. No, no, no. And he's been able to get it up for 20 years before this, but now all of a sudden he's so overwhelmingly gay in his mid 40s. He can't help it. Couldn't possibly be that I'm in an, No, or 50, 52 years old. Yeah. Other people just all of a sudden they, I can't get hard with a woman and only guys. I'm 52. So, uh, then, uh, there are an England at one point and an English reporter knocked on the door of the Manor House and Danny answered And said, get the fuck off my property now. Just go away. So the headline on the story over there was he's the Lord of the Manor. Wow. He said, we want to calm down for the kids. The bottom line is bad press. It was coming to the kids and had a large emotional impact. There were horrible things written about their father and they were bullied at school because of that. That's why we relocated. Uh-huh. Generosa said she wants to move on with her life, but she's still mourning her ex-husband. She's been under a lot of stress lately. You know, that is. Yeah. Yeah. And they said, are you a suspect? And Danny said, I wouldn't be here now if any of that were true. They wouldn't let me go to England if I was a suspect for murder. Meanwhile, their lawyers had decided to cooperate more with the murder investigation and advised them to do the same. To listen, if you want to clear your name, you have to do something. You got to talk to them. They said, you got to provide fingerprints and DNA samples and shit like that. So they did that. They did all the DNA shit. Lab tests isolated, Generosa's and Danny's DNA configurations, and they're compared to shit from the house. But they lived there every other weekend. So there's going to be DNA everywhere. DNA is all over the place. So there's traces everywhere. Usually they left one of their fingerprints. They said, unless somebody left their fingerprint in Ted's blood, none of the shit matters. Fingerprints or DNA doesn't matter because they're all, it's all everywhere. They had isolated several fingerprints and one blood sample in the mansion that matched neither Generosa nor Danny's, nor any of the samples people who had known access to the home had as well. They said, is that the blood of the killer injured during the murder? Or in the many, many, many, many guests and parties they've had at this house, did somebody cut themselves one time? Sure. Who knows? Danny told the reporter, here's a headline for you. The DNA does not equal D-A-N. Danny. Hey, Danny. Danny. Me. Nice job, Dan. God, he's a moron. He said, I can spell three letter words. Good guy. Rearrange him too because I'm smart. People have some other DNA in the mix and it isn't me. The big picture's far away from me. I would look at me if I were the police and anyone reading the papers would look at me, but enough already. Yeah. That's good. And then they said, he called, no more suspicion of me. And he's, by the way, this is coming out of court. And he had a suit and tie on. He ripped the tie off and said, I'm blue collar. This isn't me. Okay. You know. So January, 2002, Generosa and Daniel get married. Hey, look at this. Yeah. Half hour ceremony at Queens Borough Hall. They then went to the estate in England, by the way, 22 room, 17 acre estate. Yeah. So then he had to come back. 17 acres of England? Yeah. It's a lot. Wow. Danny had to come back because he's got some driving under the influence charges. And he's got to serve four months in jail for that. That snooze in the back seat cost him four months. Well, a little bit. Danny, by the way, still banging his ex-wife when he comes back to the States. Yeah. Why not? Tammy has a weird soft spot for him. Yeah, she does. So now they keep going back to the security system. They said they found out through investigation that Pelosi hired a contractor to install the surveillance system that we talked about before. He was the guy doing it. The system allowed them to watch whatever was going on inside the house, even private moments by logging on to any remote laptop. They said if they were like in a hotel on vacation in a plane anywhere they would like, they can look at that. So they were like, did they see Ted was at home and knew to go make a move because they didn't know he was going to be out there even. Danny's cop brother Jim, remember him? Okay. Well, the Suffolk County Homicide Squad and NYPD internal affairs bureau detectives stopped by Jim's precinct to have a little chit chat with him. He said, my brother might be a fuck up, but he's not a murderer. Okay. But they told him that Danny had bought a Taser, ordered a second Taser, and had tested one of them out on a construction worker that he knew. Taser's had serial numbers just like guns and could be traced. They told Jim that Ted's body bore stun gun burns on the skin, evenly spaced, round red burns like the marks of a vampire. Then the detectives said another thing. They said the probes on the Taser model Danny had were the same exact distance apart as the double marks on Ted's skin and autopsy photos. So, now Jim had been asked to get rid of a Taser. Do you remember that? Drop it in the box. Jim didn't mention that at this point. He's withholding some shit as they ticked off the version of their case against Danny and all this type of shit. They kept saying the stun gun's missing. Uh-oh. This is not good. Now, Danny had this system installed and all that. So, Jim called Danny after all this and said, we got to talk. Either your alibi's full of shit or they're full of shit. Somebody's full of shit. He said, I don't believe you're a murderer, but maybe I'm wrong. He's thinking in his head. So, there's rumors circulating. Danny denied the rumors and said he only had one stun gun, not two. He said, even if Danny was innocent, Jim might be charged with destruction of evidence and his career could be over. He could go to jail for this shit. Yeah. He said, if the stun gun had been destroyed, it would look like Danny and he destroyed it because it was used in a murder. Exactly. So, Jim was kind of fucked here. He didn't want to hurt his brother, but he also didn't want to lose his house. So, Jim drove to Long Island called Danny and arrived outside the murder house where Danny was supervising a crew of workmen who were cleaning up the mansion. He told Danny he wanted to talk to him and he said, this is serious. It could cost me my job. Jim said, get in the fucking car. They drove to a beach and parked and they got out and walked and he said, Danny, you've got nothing to worry about with the fucking taser, have you? And he said, I got nothing to worry about, Danny said. So, Jim said, I'm going to ask you something and I want you to tell me the truth. Did you do this? Did you stun Ted? And he said, what the fuck are you talking about? And Jim said, the detectives were in my office with my sergeant. You get it? Like, this is bad. They're dead serious. He said the detectives told him the marks from Ted's body from the stun gun were the same stun gun you had. Not cool. And he said, I don't care. It wasn't from my gun. I swear on my kids. So, Jim said, yo, if you did this, come clean, get it off your chest, and at least I'll bring you in. Yeah, and I'll be the hero. You know, at least I'll look like a decent guy and you don't have somebody who'll drag you in there and treat you like shit. So, Danny said, what are you fucking nuts? And he said, you'd rather bring me in than, then he said, you'd rather have me bring you in than the detectives bring you in. And he said, Jim, I didn't do this. This is crazy. So, they're arguing out on the beach. He told Danny the detectives also told him that the taser came with three dart cartridges, and there were only two with the one that Jim had taken from Danny's house. Where's the third? Danny denied that he had fired one of the cartridges into Ted. He said, but there's three darts, Danny. Where's the third dart? And he said, it wasn't there. Maybe the guy I got it from must have used it. Okay. This is looking ugly now. And he said, you're a fucking liar, Danny. They're going to fucking have it. This is the thing. He said the dart and Danny said the dart cartridge wasn't there when I got the gun. And he said, you better hope to God, Jim says, if you did it, let me arrest you. He said, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. He said, he said, you dropped it in the box, the precinct, didn't you? And Jim said, never mind where it is. Jim. So, Danny wondered whether Jim still had the taser and if he did, what the fuck's he going to do with it? So the next Thursday, Jim played golf with his father before going to work. And he told his father he'd been about to be made detective when Danny's stun gun mess came up. And now he feared that he'll never get the detective shield. So he was afraid that the best that could happen was he'd remained a fucking. A cop. A beat cop. He said, dad, I'm afraid I'm going to lose my job over this. And his dad said, don't worry. Even if you do lose your job, we'll set you up in business and all that. And he said, no, I wanted to be a cop. I'm not doing what I'm doing. I like my job. He said, if I find out Danny did this, I'm taking him in. So early 2003, Generosa is diagnosed with breast cancer. Uh-oh. Oh, yeah. It's not good. No. It's bad. It's not. It's metastasizing in a bad shape. Oh, it is. Stage four. Just like her mother. She's in trouble. It's going to go brain. And this is at the same time her and Danny's relationship are falling apart. She's on pain medication all the time and also she's drinking. Oh, no. And, um, yeah, as she said, she was telling the kids, we're not going to have any money for food this winter. Winter. We got $80 million. Weird shit like that. They said she just started smoking twice as many cigarettes. She didn't care anymore. She thought she was fucked. Yeah. Danny brought his lawyer home and introduced him to Generosa. And he politely said, how do you do? And she said, how the fuck do you think I do? And then said, I hate lawyers. I hate bankers. Get him out of here. All right. Later on, she warmed up to that guy and appreciated his manners, but she's always on pills and booze and she's a mess at this point. She's even meaner. She snaps all the time. Oh, she snaps. She sometimes hallucinates. Oh, yeah. One night she saw a ghost and grabbed a butcher's knife from the kitchen counter to defend herself and was stabbing the air. Oh, my. Saying quote, Ted, you fuck while she did it. Ted was haunting her. Danny said, honey, it's me. And she said, get away from me. And Danny said, okay. And then she sobbed and said, you've ruined my fucking life and slashed Danny with a butcher knife. Oh, Jesus. So that is wild. Then she said she was sorry and I don't see the ghost anymore and I feel okay now. I don't know. And he didn't want, he wouldn't go to the hospital because he knew the press would find out about it. And it would look terrible. That his crazy wife stabbed him. Now there's also a nanny. Now, not with a knife. Now there's also a nanny. No, not what you think. Danny ain't banging the nanny, but nanny hates Danny. Really? Oh, yeah. She did not like Danny. She said quote, Danny came from a bad gene pool. She criticized him for his crudeness, his crudeness, his gambling, his womanizing, all this shit. She knew that Danny's passed and was, she said, she's making this poor cancerous woman feel bad here. Then she said she was relaxing with her friend at one point. She had referred to Danny as shady a whole bunch of times. She's hanging out with her friend and she said quote, Danny told me that he killed Ted. What? Then Danny said, she said that Danny confessed that he had sneaked into the beach house, put down a plastic sheet in the living room, beaten Ted to death, then cut off his penis. Really? Yeah. They said, well, why would Danny tell you that he killed Ted? And she said he would never be that stupid to make a statement like that. Do you actually believe he killed Ted? And she said, no. And they said, well, why would he tell you he did it if he didn't do it? Nobody in their right mind would make a statement like that. I don't think so. No, I don't think he would ever tell you that. You can sit here and say that, you can sit here and say that you think he killed Ted, but you know. The penis thing is weird. Yeah, it's real weird. July 2003, Generosa dies. Gone. Dead already, quick. Two years. Not even six months. No, no, I mean, he's dead. No, no, I mean, two years from him being dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa. It's wild. Now, she had updated her will. She left Pelosi, Danny, $2 million, and the rest of her money at this point, more than $30 million, because it was like $20 million in fees and all that other shit, to the twins. Great. Yeah, so that is... Oh, he's going to be pissed. Oh, he's a little upset. Yeah. Immediately after she's cremated, he takes her ashes to the Stanhope Hotel bar, where he ordered her favorite drink of Cosmo and toasted the ashes with a beer and chatted with a New York Post reporter. Okay. He said, I'm not saying I'm the most normal guy in the world. I do spontaneous wacky things. My wife had just died. I'm not entitled to be a little wacky. You're drinking with ashes. I'm inappropriate. Also, he's contesting her will in court, because he should get more. He's going to try to fight the money from the children. That's fucked up. He's also fucking up. He's been in and out of court for drunken driving. He's been jailed for four months. He also faces charges of illegal billing for electrical work, and they claim that he had rigged an illegal meter bypass at his house with Tammy and had been stealing electricity since 1996. Uh-oh. Whoops. By the way, Aunt Sandy, Ted's sister, she wants custody of the kids. She lives in Alabama down there. She wants the kids to come down there. She's her husband's a doctor. They have three grown children. They don't need the money, but they'll whatever. They'll keep an eye on it and make sure nobody fucks over these kids. You know what I mean? Now that Generose is dead, people start to come forward. They were terrified of her. Yeah? Her death sparked a floodgates open of people willing to talk to investigators now. Multiple people come forward claiming that Daniel confessed to killing Ted to them. Really? Multiple people. Yeah. He denies it, but no. They said it was, that's what happened. All these people were afraid of her and him that they, they'd kill him too. Several witnesses said Daniel had bragged about the murder to them and even, those people are even willing to testify. Even his own father is willing to talk to the cops and testify against him. They were like, holy shit. His father told the cops how his son had called him asking him how to dispose of something so that it wouldn't be found on the night of the murder. What the fuck? Yeah. A co-worker testified that Danny had told him a year earlier about his plans to get Ted's money by romancing the wife and then killing him. What? Whose idea was this? Close, he told the guy, quote, I'll bash in his brains while he's sleeping. And cut his dick off. Cut his dick off. Take it with me. Wow. Now, the police go start arresting people. They arrest Danny's friend, Chris Perino. We should have had more time to talk about him. He gets surrounded by cops as he drives away from his home, saying we're taking you in for murder. And he's like, what the fuck? And they're like, well, you know, come on in. You're going to talk to us. I guess Danny, they told Danny that he blabbed about the killing in jail, which was not true. They said basically, Danny already told us that he did it. So they told him your life is over, man. We know you're involved in it. And he said, no, no, I didn't do anything. I gave a written statement and all this type of shit. But they said, you know what you did. You know what you fucking did? And you've been told them what happened. You got ratted out. Yeah. Danny's pal, Alex, a 40-year-old electrical worker, also was taken in a gunpoint. He told the police that an assigned statement from that, that he was told that police had assigned statement from Danny's sister that Alex had been captured on the video system at the beach house peaking on Ted the weekend of the murder. Sure. So Alex said, nobody told you that because it didn't happen. So he said, bullshit. So they said, all right, we tried it. They rounded up another real estate friend. He had nothing. Nobody cracked, basically. Really? I mean, these people, nobody. But he's the suspect. There's a surveillance, obviously the system of surveillance cameras through there that he was able to access remotely. He's the only one. Basically, he's the only one where all of these factors could do this and has the physical capability to commit the murder. He said, on the night of the murder, the panel concealing the system was pried open, hard drive removed, never recovered. Yeah. Now Danny said he drove out to his sister's night, that night, that house, that night to leave a laptop with her so that she could access the remote cameras. He said he arrived at 120, access the security system for about 16 minutes. According to the prosecution later, Chris Perino met him there, drove him in the 1999 Audi there, and that his sister, that night, his sister told the cops she had hugged Danny on his way out and felt a gun under his jacket, essentially, something hard, a hard object under his jacket. Perino later on will admit to disposing of the leather jacket Why? With blood on it that he was wearing, because Danny had a new leather jacket after that weekend. Interesting. And that's the Audi that was detailed in shampooed. 2003, he gives an interview to ABC News. Danny does. Yeah. He says, I did not murder Ted Ammon. He said, I've been trying to scream it since day one. No, I did not murder Ted Ammon. If I knew who did, I probably wouldn't be sitting here. He said, I went from a guy who walked into an electrical job to become the boss. I thought I hit the lotto. I really did. Fucking mook. All right. Why does he talk to the news about it? February 27th, 2004, he is charged with first degree assault for punching a man on a boat in Maui. He's in Maui. He's on a cruise and a crew member decided to stop serving alcohol to a woman he was with about aboard the Maui princess. Crew members were helping passengers board the shuttle to take them somewhere else. When Pelosi grabbed this guy by the neck, complained about the alcohol decision, this guy pushed him away. So Danny punched him in the face. This guy was treated for facial fractures. Danny is ordered to stay away from alcohol until his assault trial begins here. He hit him hard. He hit him real hard. Even gave him till Monday to dispose of any alcohol in his home and saying at one point that he could tell by Danny's body language that he did not agree with the condition. Danny said, it's sad the prosecution in the state of Maui is working with the prosecution in the state of New York. State of Maui. God, he's a fucking dummy. How many bills cabinets? Oh, you know it. I'm saying it goes. Hey, it's all but actually this guy knows how. So backward. He can install security systems that are complicated. He's way smarter than both of us. State of Maui. State of Maui. March 24th, 2004, they arrest him. He is going to be taken in on the murder charge at this point. He surrenders. They told him they called his lawyer and all that kind of thing. A grand jury returned an indictment. Single charge of murder in the second degree. He pleads not guilty is held without bail. They said the killer applied a stun gun to the victim's back and neck. The fatal assault inflicted defensive injuries in the form of fractures to his hands, arms, and other places. He also suffered fractured ribs, punctured lungs, 30 blows to the head. They said that the defendant had purchased, meaning Danny, numerous stun guns before the murder. After the slaying, he made statements implicating himself as well as others in the killing. On the night of the murder, the defendant had the capability to look inside the house for 21 minutes at approximately two o'clock in the morning. He was the only one who knew how to unplug the secret surveillance system that spied on Ted and one of the few who knew it existed behind the wall. The Rapid Eye Unit was hidden within the recesses of that home in a location that was known to very few people outside of the installers. Only individuals that were aware of the location of that hard drive unit, as well as the power source, which was a simple plug, was Daniel Pelosi. After the killing, the unit with its hard drive containing thousands of photos was removed from the mansion. A key piece of evidence that strongly points to the guilt of Daniel Pelosi. So they said that he, you know, that's what they think. They said, they said that Danny cared more about his freedom than his money, since it wasn't his they talk about here. And he said it's not, the prosecutor said it's not his hard earned money. It's really the money of the victim who he's accused of murdering. His defense says they had a weak case, circumstantial. The lawyers are going to fight here about this. Pelosi saying he knew about the system, but his attorneys deny wildly report, published reports that he, widely republished reports that he installed it because we know he was just in on the installation. They said the reason it took nine months to bring him in is because the defense in every step of the grand jury investigation obstructed in any way they could, because they've, it's been with the grand jury for nine months to get this. So the defense attorney says the case is weak. He says, when a prosecutor walks into court and said, we've been investigating this case for two and a half years, grand jury investigations for nine months, and we have 51 witnesses, you know what that means. They have a circumstantial evidence case. And I suggest it's a weak circumstantial evidence case. Nothing about fingerprints, nothing about DNA, nothing about hair samples. They claim a stun gun was used. So pre-trial, Pelosi is engaged again. Is that right? Dan, he's got another lady and he is having a kid with her. She's pregnant. Oh, you knocked her up good. So before this trial starts here, this is fucking crazy. Apparently they're accusing him of threatening the lead prosecutor's children and tampering with a juror and admitting to the crime. The prosecutor said, I don't have to have a defendant threaten my own children. So now he faces additional charges of attempting to intimidate and tamper with a prosecution witness. And they said there's also evidence that he made efforts to reach out to a juror. Wow. Alexa, the daughter, said, I don't know how Mr. Pelosi lives with himself after what he has done to our family. Honestly. I hope he rots away in jail. Oh, shit. Trial comes up, prosecution poses him as a hard drink and hard gambling, hard luck thug who had romanced Mrs. Ammon. Hard fucking. Hard fucking. Yeah. Yeah. Knocked, put some cancer in him. The lead prosecutor scowled at Pelosi and called him a sadist who enjoyed beating Ted to death. She said, this is not a who done it. It was that man points to him. That's how it goes. Now the defense said, you know, this is bullshit basically. The police, Pelosi maintains his innocence. They tend there's a million other suspects. They don't have any evidence. Give me a break. At one point, the defendant's lawyer here said that the Pelosi family believed that the, the, Genarosa believed that Genarosa cast a mystical spell that caused the death of somebody. So that's all these stun guns and just some mystical spell. The defense began a Genarosa could have done it strategy. That's their, that's their whole thing. So yeah, they said that they, they had an uncollected hair visible in crime scene photos that could have been left by a gay lover of Ted's. That's where that hair came from. Jurors learned later that the hair was not collected according to police reports because it was determined that the head, the hair was actually growing from Ted's body. There's a hair here. His lover. So his own father testifies against him. He recalled talking with his son at a wedding on October 21st, the day after they think that afternoon after the night he was beaten to death and Daniel had asked him if someone wanted to get rid of something, what could you do? So later the father asked what happened to that stuff he'd wanted to be rid of. And he said that he told him a friend took care of it. Throughout the testimony, Daniel sat stone faced at the table whispering and writing notes. He wouldn't look at his father, even when his father called out, I love you, Danny, whether you know it or not, whether you did it or not, you're all fucking good. So he said, Danny disappointed me. He disgraced the name Pelosi, a very proud name. He said the tension between the father and son boiled over when his lawyer, Danny's lawyer, accused dad of breaking his son's nose. And he said, what? He said, he looked over at his son and he said, shame on you. I broke your nose. I punched you in the face. Fucking break your nose. Yeah. He said that Danny's face reddened and said you couldn't. And his father said, what does that mean? The fucking challenge? Let me come down there and break your fucking nose. I will get over here. And Danny said, you know what I mean? So this was a big stir in the courtroom. The judge had to stop them and like the bailiffs came out and everything else and said, we're not going to have you two fight. Full conflict in here. His sister said that he driven from the city to Long Island that night to retrieve items from her house. And that's the only reason he was there. He said he returned between three and four a.m. Danny testifies. Yeah. He said, yes, he did recently buy two taser guns. He used them on his workman. As an initiation to their working for him. It's, it's hazing. I buy $800 pieces of equipment to make you earn your job. He said he hadn't tasered Ted though. It was just a coincidence that the taser marks were on Ted's body. You know, he said also, um, Ted was found naked. What does that have to do with me? Nothing. So who cares? Now during the trial coverage, the New York Times reported that the prosecutors had no eyewitnesses, no damning physical evidence and no confessions to the police to tie Pelosi to the death. They said three people did however testify that Mr. Pelosi told them that he had committed the murder. Prosecutors offered no evidence during the trial to place Mr. Pelosi in the East Hampton house on the night of the murder. Three days of deliberations, long deliberations. You gotta think about this. And they finally come back with a verdict of guilty of second degree murder. Okay. So during sentencing, Pelosi's lawyer told the court that he was not in a position to ask for leniency for an innocent man. And that's it. So Ted, or Daniel's going to talk now. And he said, um, to the kids, he turns to the kids and says, you know how mom was, you all know the truth here. It will all come out. Meaning your mother did this. Come on. He called himself in court, quote, this is during his sentencing for murder, a victim of the media and circumstance. Holy shit. Then he said to the kids, I never lied to you. I'm telling you to your face. I didn't kill your father. I'd say I'm sorry, but I did nothing to be sorry for. Whoa. He said, I feel the jury made an error. I did not kill your father. I've been the victim here of medium circumstance. I will not until the day I die. Stop fighting to prove my innocence. Well, you got some time now and some lots of free time. You sir may fuck off maximum of 25 to life. Holy shit. Um, April 2005, he also pleads guilty to save his wife, Tammy, some trouble. This is also his fiance because they're in trouble. One's in trouble for helping witness intimidation and the other's in trouble for stealing electricity. Yeah. So he says, if I plead guilty to both these things, leave them alone. And they said, okay, fine. 2005, there's a movie doesn't know that she didn't have an electric bill for fucking 12 years. Yeah. She like, she didn't know what was going on. So 2005, there's a movie called murder in the Hamptons. There. Um, that's how that goes. Um, the X, Y Tammy said, I just cried when I saw that movie. They made me out to be trellar trash, trellar trash. Yeah, Tammy from the 2006, uh, Chris Perino, his buddy admits to disposing of the jacket and pleads guilty to obstructing an investigation and a sentence to six months in prison. He said that he'd gone to middle lane where Danny came out of the house, quote, disheveled and had blood on him, some of which got on the car. He said, I asked him what happened and Danny said, I had a fight with Ted and I think he's dead. That's it. What the fuck, Chris? And he said, that's when he had the Audi's interior. Yeah. 2006 wrongful death suit against him. Yeah. Um, the administrators of Ted's estate obtain a $46.7 million ruff, unlawful, uh, wrongful death suit against him. Yeah. He doesn't have that money, but that's fine. But eventually his home is seized. Um, when they stop making mortgage payments on it, his home is seized, the one with his wife in Long Island and they sold it off and they eventually got a $143,000 surplus that they gave to the kids. Okay. So the kids get that from him. Um, that's how that goes. Uh, 2009 Daniels X writes a book. Tammy writes a book. Yeah. I am not trailer trash. It's called, no, don't live in a trailer. Yep. Um, she said that during this whole thing, press were all over her. She said they were in front of my house. They were at my job. They followed me in the car. So I hid. I did a lot of hiding and, uh, yeah, she said, no one cared about Tammy, uh, or what was going on at the time. They just wanted more dirt on Danny. Nobody cares about. Nobody cares about Tammy. Tammy. It's called pennies from an angel, innocent lives behind a crime. I didn't do anything. And I'm not trailer trash. Oh man. That's fucking funny. Um, so, um, she says also they say, well, how did you, why did you stay with this guy? Yeah. And she said that it was part of an addiction problem she had. She said he was my addiction. Some people choose cocaine or alcohol, but Danny Pelosi was my drug of choice. That devil dick. Wow. There's a lot of people that say that that's a thing. That's a thing. Yeah. 2011 Danny all class as usual. Yeah. He was placed in solitary confinement for 50 days in September, 2005, three months after he was put in here after a correction officer witnessed his inappropriate conduct in the visiting area of the Clinton Correctional Facility in upstate New York. He was probably getting fucking jerked off on the table in August, 2008. He was placed in solitary for six months for using other inmates pins to place unauthorized phone calls, stealing from them. And, uh, then in May, 2009, he served 30 days in confinement again for phone misuse, uh, which is fun here. He's a scumbag. Back in solitary confinement now for making threatening phone calls to an unidentified woman. Uh, wow, that is crazy. I apparently called this woman from Almyra and left a voicemail, uh, threatening her and telling her, this is the last vacation you'll ever take. I'm sending some people over to your home. No, you're not. He admitted he made the phone call as a result. He was sentenced to disciplinary confinement for 23 hours a day and no longer allowed to make phone calls or receive packages. Also, no more commissary purchase privileges. Gotta eat the shit food from the jail. Yeah. So he was placed constantly. He's in trouble in there. 2012, Greg, the one kid, brought out a documentary in 2012 about this whole thing. And the Alexa also studied film and graduated from USC in 2017. 2013, that's when the kids finally get the $143,000 for the foreclosure. They owe him, he owes them like 47 million. They should just blow it on like a cruise. That'd be great. Just piss it away. Have a party. Rent the whole boat. Don't let anybody on it. So yeah, as of 2015, uh, Danny was incarcerated in Greenhaven, which is not far from where we sit now. And that's where my mother worked when I was a kid. I visited Greenhaven. It was terrifying. Not eligible for parole till 2031, which is pretty fucking close. That's way too close. He says in a 2020 interview, bottom line is I did not kill Ted Ammon. Generosa did not kill Ted Ammon. She had him killed. Oh, yeah. Generosa wanted revenge, he says. She wanted revenge because of that baby. That wasn't his. Remember, she went berserk, out of this world insane, white hatred psycho killer. So she says that Generosa came up to him and his crew while they were renovating the townhouse and offered 50,000 to anyone who would beat her husband up. Several men said, well, I'll do it. Yeah. A bunch of fucking electricians. And he said, I got regular guys working for me, $50,000 to go throw somebody a beating. I'm sorry. Everyone was interested in the job. He said, Chris Perino took him up on it. Oh, he's going to throw Chris under the bus. Yeah. Yep. He said, Pelosi said, because he didn't want that to happen. He said, he volunteered. Danny did to beat Ted up himself, saving his girlfriend time and money. He said, but she stopped him because he was on probation for DWI. He said, I was going to get a year in jail for smacking this guy in the face. I was guaranteed that he was going to call the cops and that's why Generosa stopped me. So then they said that, they said that Chris met with Generosa without even Danny's knowledge. I mean, hi, my back. And he said that they were going, we'll keep this away from Danny, huh? Because Danny's going to have a shit fit when he finds out about this. That's at least self-explanatory because if you tune up Ted, they're coming for me. Pelosi said he was transferred the balance that he transferred the balance of Perino's payment from Generosa to Perino after the attack. He said, I'm not innocent in the things that happen after the murder. That's why I never told my story. But now he is. So he's saying Chris, he paid Chris for this? He helped. Yeah, Generosa made it all, but he just paid him the money after that. He was promised. Perino completely denies that and said, he came out of the house covered in blood and I helped him do the car thing and get rid of his jacket. 2015, he wants a new trial. Really? Absolutely. He's appealing bullshit, basically. What is it? The defendant's contention that certain allegedly improper conduct by the prosecutor during his cross-examination of him and throughout her summation had the cumulative effect of depriving him of his right to a fair trial. They said, that's not. She was too good. It's not fair. Not fair. She had all this evidence. She was asking me shit and I was answering. She can't be that mean to me when I'm answering stuff. 2017, the kids list the house for sale. Originally listed at 12.7 million, went to 11.7 million and finally sold for, I believe, oh, they listed it again for 10.995 million. It rents for 250 grand a summer. Wow. Three months, 250 grand. What the fuck? Yep. He said that they weren't ready to sell it when other people wanted to buy it. So they're renting it? No, no, no. He said that had been being rented up until now. He said 50% of the people would rule out buying it just because of the history of the place. Some people wouldn't even go inside of the place. They said somebody ended up getting an incredible deal on the house, 8.35 million, which is a steal and a bargain for that house. They said the buyer was one of several tenants that fell in love with the house while they were there. They want to gut and renovate the house and start anew. She's going to be furious. Again. Greg also has access to the Big Flower brand and was operating in a barrel and a shop that was in the East Hamptons as well. That's closed down. There we have 2021. Greg in a social media post says, since your murder, talking about his dad, the lines in the story have been drawn, twisted and manipulated. Fingers have been pointed. Narratives have been formulated and confusion forced while judgments have been quickly passed. To most, our story has already ended or they haven't even, or they aren't aware of a beginning. The groundwork of your legacy was set in glass, not stone. I will break through it and shine light on your truths. Mark it. October 2023, Danny says he's innocent and he can prove it. Piers Morgan, he tells. Oh, he said, I didn't do it. I did not do this murder. I did not kill Ted Ammon. Ted fathered a child and Jen Arosa had received DNA results that Ted's, that was Ted's child and that was the straw that broke her back. We don't even think that's true. She said she'd be in a conversation with people saying, I'm going to kill that son of a bitch. And goes on and on and on. By the way, 2023, there's a new festival, the Hamptons who done it festival. It's called like the Ted Ammon who done it festival. What? It's for Hampton mystery and crime festival they have now. That's fucked up. That's interesting. Weird. Yep. And then you got the million dollar murder sources for this, by the way, vanity fair murder in East Hampton by Michael Schneyerson. That had a lot of good investigative reporting and the book is almost paradise. The murder of multimillionaire Ted Ammon in the Hamptons, America's playground for the rich and famous. Shorten your title here in Crowley. Either way, there you go. There is the goddamn story. That is crazy. We got to bust through the end because we are running super late. Shut up and give me murder.com is where you go for everything. Philly has a couple tickets left in December. Virtual live show Thursday, October 30th available for two weeks after that. Get it right now. Anywhere in the world with internet, you can do it. There's so much fun just like a live show. Get in there and do that for sure. Shut up and give me murder.com. Again, I said that we are at small town murder on Instagram at small town pot on Facebook. 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Gary Howard is in Edwardsville, Illinois. I'm sorry, Gary. And then the Shasta, Shasta, Shasta, Shasta. I think Jimmy just bit his tongue real hard. Yeah. And that's her first name. And then Shasta, Smith. Oh, Smith, Jones, Dope. Thank you guys. You're the best. Other producers this week, Liz Vazquez, Peyton Meadows, Ryan Bender, Happy Hour in Memphis. Memphis. Careful out there. Janice Hill, Amanda, Alverson, Putt Putt Bam, Putt Putt Bam. I think it's supposed to be Putt Putt Bam, but you put one T. That is Putt Putt. That's Putt Putt. Yeah. Rebecca Kennedy, Camille Vegas, Man's Moon. What is that? Man's Moon? I don't know. That sounds like a storm. Yeah. Is it a monsoon? It's a man's moon. Or a big ass with a very short butt crack. Irene Castillo, Devin Graham, Clinton Persinger, Zendro would know last name. Helen's mom, Danielle Bush. Your ass crack tells you how big your ass should be, by the way. It's a guy. It's exactly how big it should be. I don't know. I think so. I bet you're right. I think it's, I would be just right on top of my head. Have a look at it and then be like, uh-oh, I got work to do if it's smaller than, or bigger than you got work to do too. You can get that's what I'm saying. Yeah, either one. Geez, I gotta put some ass on me. God damn, eat some more cheeseburgers. Fuck. Danielle Bush. I don't know if that's ownership or not. Troy Bierbens, Blurbens, Wyatt Sheldon, Alexis Kaiser, Sherry Rushing, David Brucker, Kyle's Wilson, Kyle's plural, Valerie Ryman, Ryman, subtle T, three owls, not just two. Nancy Berling, Josh would know last name, Emily Silva Knox, Darnell Swallow. I don't know if that's an order. I'll leave that alone. Siyung Jung, Albert Lucas, Crystal Jackson, Meegan, Meegan, Meegan Peterson, Tortell Viss, Jason Ulrich, Caroline Russell, Dana, Isaminger, Kimmon, Kimmon Wilson. Kimmon, it's probably just Kim Wilson. I'm sorry. The N is right next to the M. We can't help it. Laura C, Yucky Bacala, I don't know what that is. Bacala, Yucky Bacala, Alexis Jones, Drew with no last name. Bailey Commons, Kamene's, Whitney Painter, Eric Willoughby, Curtis Hardin, Patrick Murphy, Michael Mara, Amber Whitby, Jim Landrum, Kylie Tabore, Tabor, Aileen McGar, Carrie Ann Ray, Stephanie Blanco, Camilla, Camilla Hamilton, Dorsey, Allie King, Brittany Secord, Madison with no last name, Terry Wolf, Chris with no last name, Samurai Spiros, Ryan Huff, Mark Allen, Jay Cohors, Kaylee Martel, Mortel, mortal, Ben Atkinson, Misty Frazier, Wasala, Lewis Cook, Dave Guilford, Yep, Michelle Waters, Jennifer Blanken, Eddie Fogle, Edie Fogle, that's not Eddie, that's one D. That's Edie. Allen Rutledge, D&T, this show, two letters, D&T. Tammy with no last name, Rory Peterson, Barbara Myers, Kristy Shipman, Shipman, I shipped my pants. Candy, Homan, December Hansen, Melissa Crane, Robert DeGroote, Paula with no last name, Emily Merling, Joshua Ratcliffe, Cam with no last name, Mojo with no last name, Ashley Sponrath, Pocahontas 802, Melissa Lenthicom, Nick Anstead, Jenny John Tony, what? Jen John Tony, three words. Tony has done it again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Krista Rummage, Rommage, Rommage, Jamie Rosa, Amanda with no last name. Rommage. Amanda C. You gotta roll your R. Rommage. There you go. There you go. Clifton Clendenin, that's two N's. Daniel Hilton, Jeffrey Perkins, Eon with no last name, Matt Freeman, Chad Phillips, I worked really hard at Spanish, and I still don't know any of it, but I can roll the R's. Dave, Livesey, Livesey, Katie Katz, Josh White, Breanna Caller, Collar, Brian Carr, oh, two names that sound very similar, entirely different people. Ash B., Kelly Moller, Micah James, Clarissa, Clarissa Fleming, L. Righton. Spending it all. Yeah, she is. Damned us. Megan Sear, Benjamin with no last name, Madeline Taylor, Rebecca Murray, Jen Sullivan, Joseph Brown, all rise, the honorable, Gina Breen, Allison with no last name, Robin Baldah, Jack with no last name, Laura Hyatt, Tyler, Ames, Serena Jean, Serena Jean, Jada Gigenist, Gienist, Mead. I'm the ad Gienist. Jada Gienist. She's so game. Mead 65, Jane Olson, and then also all of our patrons, though those people, don't forget them. They're the most amazing. Thank you all. Thank you so much, everybody. You wonderful, fantastic, goddamn bastards. All that you do for us, we really do appreciate it. You want to follow us on social media? Shout out to givememurder.com. We'll take you wherever you want to go. Keep doing that. Keep coming back. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Hey, everybody listening to Small Town Murder out there. Hi. Good to see you out there. I'm here with Jimmy too. And this is an ad, but not an ad for a product. This is an ad for tour dates. Yes. 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