An Unremarkable Student: Monday, January 26th, 2026

Good morning, girlies, it's the Tollos. It's Jackson Claude and where your hoes. It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly, it's the Toast. It's sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday-ary. Hope everybody's having a dairy that's MUN. MUN. Mondaries. Is your dairy MUN? It says MUN as it could be for this Mondaries. It's so true. Actually, I had sort of like a life altering moment at Trader Joe's this morning. And if you saw me... Had my news cladde was at Trader Joe's this morning? Yeah. I should pick up... Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just needed some cheese, you know? What for? For grilled cheese. Like for grilled cheeses. Like we eat them a lot in my home and like we were out of cheese. And so much so that you had to go on your way. Well, actually, I had to go to the bank. Okay. And there was a grocery store nearby. And you said we need cheese. That looks like a nice cheese. I know. I almost didn't see like the craft singles because it's like Trader Joe's we have. I'm very proud that you didn't buy craft singles. So you didn't have it. You know, Trader Joe's like just have to be different. Yeah. So I got like their organic. It's definitely made in the same factory. I digress. Okay. So I'm walking into the trader feeling, you know, feeling fine. And I fell. No. So bad. Now I want to say I'm feeling like I'm feeling like fine right now because I can too. Like it was so not my fault. And it wasn't his mom and pop groceries or it was Trader Joe's like where are we buying a home? You know, I am so in the right. The footage will tell my story. Can you tell us the story? I didn't see it. There was like some shmuts on the ground. It looked like somebody had stepped and smushed on like a raisin or a date or a fig. Okay. And I had no idea because I was looking straight not at the floor. And I slipped. I literally cracked my ankle. I slipped on a fig. Fig like structure. I don't know what it was. And I caught myself at the bed. Like I was on the floor, but I caught myself. Like my ass didn't hit the floor, but it hurt so fucking bad. And the only thing that was carrying me through was knowing that the law was on my side. And I can and will be like was reaching out to an injury attorney. You should. I don't know. And there was a man who worked there being like, are you okay? And I just like wanted him to know like, I'm fine. You're storing. You're growing down with issues. I didn't just fall because I'm like a crazy person. I fell because there were shmuts. Yeah. In the parking lot or in the subway. No, in an aisle. Oh. Why are you falling the parking lot? Like, I don't know. Like, I just when you were telling this story. It's hard to fall. Like gravel is like sturdy. I'm imagining a part of it. It was on a tile floor, so it was already not like the best, most resistant. And oh my god, you guys might angle her so bad. Like, it's throbbing. I'm really sorry. But I hope that you get $200 million. So you can finally live a life of happiness. No, I think we decided like 500 is my number. Okay. But like, just be careful. That's how you get into like toxic secession vibe. It's okay. I just feel like my roots will like keep me grounded. It's true. Like she has her family. She's close with her family. She's close with her friends. I'm willing to try. You're like, I'm so like, can you pick? You know, it's fine. Like, I'm willing to take that risk. You know, you're a risk. I've always said that. And I've always said that. I'm a huge risk. It looks like you'll have to learn the hard way, Claude. Ah. You know. So if you see me like limping, that's what's happened. And then I realized I used my car. I have no gas. I had to go pump my own gas. It was like such a crazy morning. And it pumped my own gas. And as I was like removing the nozzle from the nozzle, like a little bit of gas dripped on my toe. Isn't that weird? And then I felt like I had this like flammable foot. Flammable foot. Flammable foot. And like I was like scared to walk near my car. Yeah. As you should be. And so like I was being really weird. Let me see which toe, the big one. The second one. And so I got into the car. And I'm wearing sandals. So I just like took my sandal off and like rubbed my toe. On like the on the exhaust. No. On the floor mat. Yeah. And I'm fine. Like I just thought that was so crazy. Wearing open. I never thought about before. I very rarely pump gas. It's like not my problem. You need a closed toe shoe. Yeah. Like it's kind of crazy to pump gas and open toe shoes. Do they tell you that it's driver's head? No. They should teach you how to pump gas at driver's head. It's humiliating. Which is why I had to get an electric car. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You don't have these problems. No, I don't. And then one more thing happened to me that I felt really like I was like driving, you know, as one does in a car kind of mindlessly. And I was crossing a light. So the light turned green. I started driving. It was a two way street. So I guess like coming the other way was a fire truck. Okay. And he was also turning. Oh. And I didn't I guess like let him in. And I guess there was an emergency because his lights like I guess were on. And he honked at me and I felt like such a low light. Like, you know, yeah, like he pulled me into your chest and in the end. Yeah. And to be clear, like, he wasn't even fully at the light yet. Like he was still pulling up. Like I really didn't gain dream. I didn't get in his way. If I delayed his trip, it was by a quarter of a second. No, I understand. I think he was just like feeling self-important. I feel awkward in that situation too. I wouldn't know how to act. And it's like, should I stop? But what if I'm not supposed to stop? And now I've just stopped. He wasn't the lights were on, but there was no wheel. Obviously, I like wouldn't know about a wheel. But the lights, I was just kind of in broad daylight. I don't know. It's giving, want to make it to our brunch res. No, it's giving, like we are just abusing our power. Because we have a brunch res. That was in percent. Yeah. So it's got like an embarrassing morning. Like a lot of embarrassing things like me with my toe, then my ankle, and then the fire truck. It was just kind of crazy. I'm sorry. Maybe you should come straight here from now on. I never really tried to do the most. We were faced having this morning because we just can't stop talking. Because doing an hour and a half on shows, she's not on me enough for us. And she said she's like, I got to go running errands before the toast. And I thought that was kind of crazy. Yeah. I won't be doing it again. That's for sure. I think that's a good idea. Because we need you here in one piece. Break down after. I almost like broke my ankle. Went up in flames. That the fire truck would have had to put out, but they would have been late. Coming to get saved. Because there was a girl. Who didn't know how to drive? Yeah. It's kind of a tale of the whole time. Yeah. Driving is so crazy. Like every day. Someone maybe feels like such a square today. Okay. Because he broke the law. But I should have too. Because I was just being like a sheep following the law. When there was no one around. What was the law? No right on red. So it was no right on red because there's a train track before it. And then another light. The two lights are the same. But you shouldn't go to the next light because there's the train truck. You could get stuck on the track. You have cars. So we're both sitting at the two red lights. And no cars are coming the other way. And he went around me over the track. Oh, I don't think that's square-ish. I think that guy's insane. Yeah. I don't mess around with the train tracks. I mess around with the fucking train track. Yeah, that's just what I need to get stuck on the tracks. That guy's actually an insane daredevil. You're not a square. You're so normal. It's crazy that we drive amongst the trains. I totally agree. And I realized that they run cross-country so it's borderline impossible. To not like ever. Engage with the train track. But living in Manhattan, I don't have these problems. Obviously, other problems. But driving on the tracks. My heart, I literally clench. And I only clench when we're all over the tracks. It's insane. Yeah. Part of my journey is at some point I have to cross the tracks. Finding the right, most optimal way to do it. There is none. So just like- And around the time that we record a big train. Well, I guess trains may just come all day. It just feels like we're synced up with one. Yeah. And I'm always trying to outrun it. It's kind of like your period. You and the trains are synced up. Yeah. Cycle sisters. I guess so. We- I watched a lot of TV over the weekend. We are going to recap traders. We're going to recap. There's a big- I don't even know how everybody knew that this thing was happening on Saturday nights, skyscraper live. I did watch the whole thing live because I'm a loser. And I was left with so, so many thoughts that I cannot wait to share. A lot of TV to discuss today. Traders. Football last night. We have our Super Bowl team. Never in a million years could someone have predicted we'd have a Patriots Seahawks Super Bowl. Actually. Who predicted it? You know, every year, I'm going to find this for you. Like the NFL has the allegations that it was scripted. And if it was scripted this year, it was scripted by somebody who does not know Entertainment. Because I don't care about these teams. Like, there's like a little lore with like Drake May, but beyond that. Like, no. What's the lore that like he's just like- He's just like- And she's like a cute little wife. Yeah. Cute. But like most players in the NFL like- Have wives. Have wives who make content in part of their communities. But- At the beginning of every season, like the NFL puts like a graphic up. Hold on, I have to find it. It's like a little cartoon being like race to the Super Bowl. And it's, you know, the quarterbacks walking towards the trophy. NFL. Let me see. I saw it this morning and like it kind of was giving scripted. Hold on. Okay. What would I look for to find this? Like NFL graphic. NFL cartoon race to the- Super Bowl. Graphic Super Bowl. Oh, God on Twitter. I was gonna get like- I was gonna get like- I was gonna get like- For Martinez. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like all the quarterbacks walking. Okay. And who are the two quarterbacks at the front? Drake and Sam Darnold. May Darnold. Look at them. Wait. Okay. That's really crazy. They're- Yeah, and they're front and center. Because also ward is there. But he's not front center. They couldn't have made it. The neighbors may field hunter. Those are the five teams in the front. That's really crazy. Because I was gonna say this proves it's super. Super Bowl is not scripted. Cause it's boring as hell. Like where the celebrity is. Yeah. Where's the lore? It's just giving random. It is giving random. Justice for the 49ers. It was their year. But they didn't even- They weren't even in the championships. It was their year. I'll just leave it at that. It really wasn't their year. That's what they did. That's what they wanted you to think. The NFL scripter. So who do you think will win? We'll take it all. It's so hard to guess when you like genuinely don't care. Um, but- I think- I think- I think- I think- Genuinely don't care. Um, but if it's the C-hawks versus the Patriots. Like I'm a New England girl-ish from New York. So I'm gonna go Patriots. Yeah. Yeah. I know you what like our probably feeling conflicted because you are like a New England girl as well. But you also love draft day. Which takes place like with the Seattle C-hawks right? The- The Bears. The Brow. The Bear. The Browns. The Browns. The Ugland. Yeah. Don't- Having concerts in the coach for the C-hawks? Aren't the Seahawks involved in Draft Day? Perhaps they're another team with a trade to trade. Oh, okay, so never mind. So you have no ties to the boss. No, I have no ties to the Seahawks. And even when I think of Draft Day, I don't think of the browns. Yeah, and I do love that Robert Kraft, that little Bob, so sure, go Pat, go Pat's. Yeah, hopefully it's a good game. We still need to find out his plans because we don't have any. Oh, yeah. We were talking about them this morning. We were, because we talked so much. We're always talking. Almost like we do it for a living. And other than that, we played a lot of Masha's weekend. We did. Lots of family time, lots of beach time, water sign things. You guys wouldn't understand. You wouldn't. Are you having your fill of the water? Like do you feel like your full self? Do you feel like full of water? Do you feel like your full self, like that you have like the water in your life? Yeah, I do actually. Like we went to the beach both days this weekend. Like what more could a water sign ask for? Honestly. What more? Nothing, right? No. Then the beach that's like, premout water. Yeah, and I get like, I, it's probably difficult for you to understand because you're not a water sign. Even though I know my water sign. Because you're not a water sign. And that's how I know like, horoscopes, sorry to who the ciphads are faking made up because Jackie's a water sign. When I tell you like nobody hates the water more, then juggling. I don't hate it. I just don't like love it. She doesn't feel connected to it like I do. She doesn't mess with it like I do. No, I can appreciate like the majesty of the ocean. Okay, well, Lensuzi was on. Like she was talking about the ocean. She talked about the ocean in a lot of different ways. And I think about what she said a lot. Like that the ocean is the new space. And like there's going to be a lot more sea exploration, a lot like of tech money being spent down there. But also that like it freaks her out. And like she thinks it's spooky. Whereas like I think it's the most magical. What do you make of the sea? Oh, I think it's, it's really majestic. And I think it's, it's very humbling to stand in front of the ocean. Wait, that's really beautiful. Go on. Like it's just no matter what time like the tides keep tiding. It's so true. The ocean doesn't show like big and like the ocean doesn't care. It's so true. It'll chew you up and spit you out. So I wanna. Yeah, we just read a book. I don't want you to read this book because I think like overall you wouldn't like it. But there are, I mean, just recorded redheads, which is why it's top of mind. But it's very much like oceanic, dystopian thriller sort of thing. And like a lot like these are big themes in the book, the ocean. It's called the ocean. Wild dark shores. So oceanic. You know, yeah. But I don't know that you should read it. Anyways, redheads is coming out first Thursday of February. And it's one of my favorite episodes switching up the format. Oh, you didn't update everyone that you like kind of were like underselling saying it was gonna be the worst podcast ever. We changed everything. And then I never said it was like, I never said it was gonna be the worst podcast ever. But I was just like saying like redheads is just, it's kind of like in a transitional pace. We were at sort of a breaking point where it's like very hard to like get it done every month. And one thing that I all floated for myself was hosting the entire episode. Now whoever chooses the book is gonna be like hosting the discussion. So this was our first time doing that. Rebecca hosted it was her book. The episode was so amazing, so fresh. We all came away just being like that. Like there's new life breathed into the red. I love that. I love that. Necessity is the mother of invention. That's beautiful. So I'm really excited for the episode to come out. Plus this book is like everywhere. Reese's book club. Everyone. Oh, it's just good to be like in the mix with the other with the celebrity book clubs. Yeah, especially like if we're not all reading that much. Like we need to read the buzzy ones. So stay tuned for the next episode. I'm not. It's interesting that we have the same iPad case. But they look different. Like what? Here's such a washed up pink. It's yeah. And also this is your iPad case. I know. That's because yours has a lip 16 on it. Why do I have it? I don't know. But this is my iPad. My charge is not charging on my iPad. Cause I got you to see your iPad instead of mine. Like my like things are. Yeah, no, your passcode. My pass. Yeah. Interesting. Very interesting. And this is a plenty here at the toast this morning. It is. And so are pop culture TV recap. Yes. Let's dive in. Let's dive in. Okay. To the fast-sized stories that you do need to know. And the fast-five stories that you don't do need to know are brought to you by bear bells. Are you like one of the many Americans who are making get more protein in as your 2026 New Year's resolution? If you are, you need bear bells. The protein bar that puts taste first while still bringing you 15 to 20 grams of protein in every bar. Honestly, when I first tried one, I really could not believe that it was like a healthy thing. It was giving dessert. So if you're trying to get more protein in, you're on a fitness journey. If you are on a GLP1 journey or you're done with the GLP1 journey now trying to maintain your weight, protein is huge. Protein is hard. 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Now I have a very hard, I am a Skyscraper truth or I have a very hard time believing, like yes, the sky is the best at what he does. So like if there was anyone who's going to do it, he's done things like this before, I have a very hard time believing Netflix was going to let a man die on television. So I was just reading about this. They said it was on a 10-second delay so that if he fell, that they would just cut away and he wouldn't do that. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Oh, okay, so I keep learning different things about it, and also everyone on the planet was watching this beginning. You guys, I didn't watch it because I had no idea it was happening because how would I know this was happening? I, how did anyone know this was happening? Like Cynthia Riveo, I did not know this was happening, and my chat with my high school friends was like, is anybody watching this thing on Netflix? And another, Marko was like, yeah, I am, so two of the girls are, but I could still crazy, and they were hyping it, I was like, okay, well, I have to watch it. And then I was, it was a long thing. I think it took them like 90 minutes to watch it, and there was like a whole broadcast of like packages. So as I was watching, I kept seeing people on Instagram, so I really felt like I was a part of something, you know? You were a part of it. I was so, like I was having a lot of feelings about it. Like I hate this guy, I just want to say, like he has a wife and kids, and apparently he had a documentary. Yes, called Free Solo. Yeah, people had big reactions to as well, but he didn't have a wife and kids at the time. So, or he might have just had a wife. No, I don't think so. And he was like, this guy is crazy, but he's free, you know? So like whatever. Now he's doing it, and they kept talking about the fact that he had kids, and like why would someone do this, and they had these really annoying correspondence. One of the correspondence was like a free climber herself who like has like hold a lot of titles in the women's free climbing, and I just kept thinking like how stupid this sport was, and they kept talking about the sport like it was soccer. I mean, it's not. And there's quite literally no reason to do that. And I was just getting mad. And when he got to the top, he was just so crazy, Jackie. Like he, I believe this was a very easy climb for him. So he was like doing little tricks, and I wanted to kill him. Like at one point he did like had his legs rep around a pole and took his hands off. Like look, my no hands. Every time he got to like, it's, it's, it's, it's, the structure. My hands are sliding. Yeah. Jackie was very like irritating to watch. So the structure is like tiered. So it's like bigger, and then there's like a little platform that I get smaller. So every time he got to a platform, he would like look over fearlessly. Like because it was people, I guess this is a huge thing in Taipei. Like everybody knew about it. People are inside the building like, yeah, he's waving his hands. And he's taking pictures with people. He is a lunatic, like an absolute lunatic. And I just like did not like, like I don't want to, we should not be encouraging this type of behavior. It's so reckless. It's so stupid. I'm sorry. Like I think the sport is dumb. If you're part of the free climbing, like community, you're going to want to turn this off. It's incredibly stupid. It's incredibly reckless. Like for what? For what? One of the female correspondents was getting choked up when he made it on my girl. You need a life. Like I just, I hated the whole thing. I hated the fact that like they might have been live streaming a man's death. Like like seriously why? Like with all the violence and give video games in TV. Like now we're live streaming death. That's why I just kind of refused to believe that it was real. And there was also you don't think it was real. I don't know. I have no proof, but like I don't believe that. And also you know, he only paid $500,000. Like that's not a lot for that. It's not $200 million. Correct. But you know, like if Netflix, like Netflix was doing this. Like, and so if he wasn't going to do it, like some other crazy person would have. Yeah. And he's a household name out, Alex Honnelld. I never heard of him before. And like at least let it be someone whose experience to like can get it done. He has, he's never climbed a building before. He only has climbed rocks, no, and etc. I wonder if climbing a building is like nothing compared to climbing a mountain. Maybe. The building is built the same at every right. You know what I was like repetitive. Yeah, it is. And the mountain majesty of God is just unpredictable. Unpredictable. Every turn. Yes, they had a lot of like pre-made packages about his home life. His wife is like also crazy. Like I just think she's crazy. She didn't think there's any of this. There's a lot more every lid. And then we saw like there were union like on the top of this platform when she there was an elevator. So she took the elevator and he met her like at the 101st floor, whatever. And they were like taking pictures and stuff. And I was just like these are two fucking crazy people. I just like, I didn't think it was cute. I didn't think they were a good match. Like it was really sweaty. It was so crazy. And they get off of it. Did they have a copy of it? So you know how like at the Empire State Building. There's a spy. And antenna. Yeah. He went to the very top and it's so funny because you see it at the top of the antenna. You think the antenna is like a cell phone antenna. No, it's huge. Okay. Like 10 people could stand on it. So he went to the top and Jackie's at the top of the antenna like looking over, like leaning over. He's being insane. It's not even flat. It's around. He then there was a harness at a rope waiting for him up there. He belayed himself. Unbelayed. Unbelayed. Unbelayed. He unbelayed himself down to like the hundred and twenty-th floor where there was cameras. One of the correspondence and his wife and they were the team pictures. They were all harnessed. He did not harness himself. And I just kept thinking about like the camera crew. There was a guy on a belay following him the whole time. So like literally all the way up until he got to the antenna. I believe they just had like a camera at the building next door just like zoomed in on him. Um, a fellow crazy person. Just crazy people doing crazy things. Obviously I watched it like I got got because you know it was like the shock value entertainment and I was shocked and I watched it. But we need to stop. But we need to not be doing stuff like that. Like it was insane. I do fear this will encourage more because it was a great success. He did great. Everyone watched it. Everyone's talking about it. He's a star now. So I think this will inspire like a new. Generations and like a new genre of entertainment like free climbing lie. Yeah, I remember like the only recent example and it's not even that recent that I can think of and I think it was definitely a red below a sponsor like crazy. That guy who like free jumps from the moon. Like you know what I mean? He he takes something all the way up to like not the moon but like outer space. Yeah. Like he can see earth. Yeah. And he just jumps. He lost consciousness but then like when he's like a couple of hundred feet above he like. Takes a parachute. Yeah, there's content like this all the time. They just put it on Netflix but like yeah, Red Bull does things like this all the time. I've always thought it was crazy and strange and I just have to believe that there is some sort of contingency plan. Like and I don't see other people theorizing. I feel like maybe if you know a lot about climbing that this was so easy and if you're not afraid of heights and you're just like climbing some metal like and you take out being so high up. If it's like a ladder almost. So you know, it's like it's a random building. Yeah. This building like was his dream though kind of how like Sully wanted to land on the Hudson. Like always been eyeing Taipei. Yeah. This is like his building like he's like in love with the building. You know, that's really funny. Early sets what they said also one of the commentators did say that like I kept thinking about like he is such an experienced climber like to him. This is like akin to walking. Right. It's second nature. I don't care. It's still like you're not going to convince me. You commentators who were insane by the way, like three of the worst people on the planet. You are not going to convince me that this is not an absolutely bonkers fucking crazy thing to do. You're just not for a father of two. I know. I think he knew that he could do it like that this was like a climbable skyscraper. And the people in the streets like we're being so like, oh, like it was literally so dramatic and he knew he was playing. He was living performing for people. Yes, I don't believe that this was hard at one point for him for him. At one point like I said, each tear had like a little platform. So we got like a break like a couple of seconds in between until I catch his breath on and his shoes because it's like a dirty building. It's you don't clean the outside of the building. His shoes were covered in grease. So he was like I kind of got a wipe off the grease and he used his hands. So I'm like, well, your hands are greasy now. And he didn't like wipe off his hands or anything. But did he chalk them again? He had a big thing of chalk on his belt. So like he kept reaching behind. So yeah, it's just crazy. Yeah. And everyone was watching it. It's not Kim. I'm amazing. She has like an Netflix deal coming up because she was at Netflix. Like this is crazy. Oh, she does her movie with Netflix right? That was on the show like. Dim Kardashian. She has like a big movie coming on the show. They like sold a big movie to Netflix. I don't know what's happened with it. But it's supposed to be like the next bridesmaids. Oh, okay. That'll be fun. Yeah. It wasn't insane. Like I had a good time, of course. I just don't know like how anyone knew about it. How did the first person know about it? Also when I opened Netflix, it was right on the homepage because it was being live streamed. And I'm happy for Netflix because I think a lot of people watched it. And as far as I know, I think there were a couple of issues in the very beginning. But as far as I know, I had a seamless streaming experience. Oh, it had to be delayed 30 minutes because it rained and the building was wet. Oh, sorry. There was also like, they were on earthquake watch. They had to delay, they delayed this a couple of times. Like days? Yeah. Oh, wow. So maybe that's why you didn't hear about it. Like because it was like maybe not going to happen. And I wound up watching Trader's Saturday and I'm by the time I saw everyone's stories, I was in bed. Yeah, yeah. So Trader's, it wasn't as good as Trader's. Trader's is the best show ever. I can't believe it. I like it so many. I've been missing out on it. It's the best show ever created. And I can imagine watching a season where everyone cast isn't like stupid. It's probably even more fun. Yeah. But I'm having the best. When this is over, we should go back and watch last season. Yeah, that's like a good thing to do the next time I like it birth. Yeah. Or we could just do it sooner than that. No, I think I'll wait till I get birth. Our next story, future in Los Andrea Swift and Donna Kelsey bonded at the Sundance film festival. It's a Spider-Man meme because they're the same person. Right. But it was crazy that they were like so chummy. I thought that was a crazy picture. Especially, you know, the rumors were swirling that Taylor and Travis are like on the rocks. Oh, so like this kind of disproves that. The mother and the laws came out. Because if you don't for that. Because they said that they were on the rocks due to wedding planning and stuff. And the people that fight most during the wedding planning are mothers and laws. Yeah. So these two are looking chummy. Yeah, Travis and Taylor's moms attended the Sundance film festival in Park City on Sunday during the outing. They were bundled up arm and arm. Yeah, like seriously gal pals posing for perhaps when Taylor and Travis were for a spot together, like one of the reasons I knew that they might be forever is because their mothers are the same person and they love their moms and their moms are like public figures. It's seriously the spider-Man. I mean, I can't tell them a part except Donna has glasses. And I actually know Donna like a lot better now that she's been on traders and like to base herself. Um, is she who you thought she was? No, not at all. She's like low key shy. But was she just being shy because that was her boiler. Yeah. You got yourself a trader. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe we don't know time at all because she was baking at the time. But in her confession actually she didn't get confessionals because we didn't know who the secret trader was. In hindsight, like the secret trader bit was so obvious for Donna. Well, clearly everybody got her. I didn't even know. No, like they did secret traders so that Donna could like be on the show in an interesting way but not actually be on the show. Like, correct. You know, and like, I guess, I don't know. Like, I sort of say I don't understand why, who, what, where, why, how, when it comes to the secret trader. So like they never had one before. But like they do it on the UK spin off. Oh, which I've heard is amazing. It's literally like the new love island. And I also feel like I will get to traders. You can, I feel like none of the traders or the faithfuls are like not that they should because she was a secret trader putting together like who Donna was like allied with. Yes, they were. They realized that she was a secret trader. That's why they, they keep going back to the Donna vote. Right. Got it. Okay. Which is fair. Yeah. That's what they should be doing. Um, are you ready for our next story? So yeah, it was, the two of them were spot together. And like Sundance actually was like making waves. Oh, maybe it's because I'm just like, um, like on Brooks Nader's close friend story. And like she was there. She was making a lot of like fabulous things happening at Sundance. But every thing of Sundance, I think of on Torage. Like everything I know about the Sundance film festival. I know because they go there on Torage like two or three times. Um, and just seems like a fabulous event. And then of course, like Lisa Marlowe is probably so busy. Yeah, I wonder what she's up to for Sundance for Vita. I'm not caught up. Not me either. But what were they doing at the Sundance film festival? Just Travis have a movie or something? And we's Travis Slayer's Taylor there. These pictures just like there without context. Oh, yeah. Like what sort of events were they attending? What's the meaning behind the trip? Right. There's really no information. Was it just like a ski weekend that happened to, but they're like in the middle. Like there was a pop rock. They're posing for a picture. They're not even like being caught together. They are turned. And it's back in my photo. So it's pop rock. They were like at an event. Uzzling. Extremely. But also, Lervis like to spend time in Utah. Yes they do. There are a couple of key places that they like to attend. Yeah. So maybe they're all there calling us. Right. Maybe they're there getting on the vendors. Maybe they're me on wedding summit. Yeah, maybe they wanted to cancel on the vendors face to face. Just kidding. I don't think they're on the rocks. Me neither. Are you ready? But I do think like their relationship has reached new challenges. Like any new relationship does. That's OK. Yeah. But what could their wedding issue be? Well, you know what's not financial. Right. Which means like the guess list can be infinite. Like the things that normal maybe guess list. Yeah. No, but usually the guess list issues are because of money or venue. And if you want to get married at building up a house, like they'll build, you know what I mean? Like the issues that normal people, it's not guess list related. It's not financial. Like all wedding issues, whether it's the guess list or the band are because of the money. Yeah. They do not have that issue. But like Nick, the belts back up had so many issues and they weren't money. Right. But I think the pelts, that's a great question. The pelts back up issues were because of either like toxic mother and loss, which I don't believe we have here. Like these two old ladies, they're just smelling all toxic mother and like really young immature bride and groom from Brooklyn and Nicola, which I don't believe these people are in their 30s. Like when you get married later in life, like you do also work. Brooklyn and Nicola are spending their parents money. So they have to get approved. It has to be what the parents want. True. We're tailoring drivers are spending their own money. Yeah. Brite talk. Like sometimes my algorithms thinks that I'm like, I get like sometimes my algorithms thinks I'm Israeli and I get like content in Hebrew and I don't know what these people are saying. And it's like I end up in rabbit holes and I've clearly been on team Victoria talk so much show that they think I'm Brite and Brite is shescuse me and like so much of her music her books are going viral again. She's like trending in the you they're like we don't mess with our national treasures. They ride. So I don't know what the I feel like America is very like toxic mother and law. Whereas in the UK, they're like spoiled brat kids like the US is very in Megan. Yeah, the Korean Megan. The US is very like Brooklyn and Nicholas side at your boundaries get therapy talk. Whereas the Brits are very much like they back the firm. Yeah, the institution. I find myself in the same position as Harry Megan and a lot of there are a lot of parallel. Yeah, and I forgot that we reported that they had dinner. I don't know if that was like something we thought would be funny if it happened or if it actually happened, but they did. Yeah, they had dinner. They did have dinner. Today's also the first day where we're styling our hair by ourselves. Like I had my I washed my hair last night, right? Me too. And I started fresh with our new $100,000 blowouts. Wait, I was somewhere. Tell us what I figured out someone was just like, I love your hair period. They didn't know about the $100,000 haircut. Like I forgot it or might have been. I think we got the bank. The teller was like, I love your hair. And I was like, oh my God. Did you say like Chris Apples? I did that. I literally pointed at 100,000. This hair, 100,000. Is that crazy? That's like everybody knows. You could see it. Yeah. Thanks. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Beauty number three. Oh, yeah. Pat McGrath. Oh my God. This is Viles for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy auction canceled. This is really crazy. There have been whispers I saw on TikTok. Like I'm also like sometimes I lend a beauty talk and they think I'm like, you know, a beautiful woman. What's there right about it? That she has been very close to filing for a while. What? How? She's shocking because she has so many viral products. But I guess like there was a there was a Pat McGrath era. And I feel like it's a little bit over. I don't feel like there was like a trend. Like it's been just that's a quality product from people like it. Not like a flash in the pan. Well, I feel like it's very opposite of the current makeup. It's very like Kylie. Like it's lots of colors and it's a high-end Kylie. It's she's known for her shadows, which are like crazy colors, big sparkle. And that's like not what beauty people are buying right now. It's like a very clean girl, which is why like Charlotte Tilbury is thriving. She doesn't do anything beyond the color beige like it's very clean girl. So maybe that's why or I don't know if the brand was like run poorly. But it's shocking because this is such a high-end quality celebrity loved makeup. And I mean Taylor Swift's like iconic red that she wears everywhere is Pat McGrath. Yeah. So Pat McGrath, she buys some stock. Well, yeah, I mean, just like someone's filing for chapter 11, like doesn't mean it's over. But they put out a statement saying during this process, the company will continue operations in the ordinary course of business while working to restructure its balance sheet and to forge a path to thrive. You know what? I feel like the makeup industry is like so oversaturated that like I feel like we've kind of been waiting for like the domino effect for like everybody launched a brand. Some people thrived. Some people sort of like fell into oblivion like Rem Beauty. I'm waiting for them to announce. Right. That wouldn't be a surprise to me. And I agree like not everyone's going to make it and the cream rises and it to me like Pat McGrath this cream. I don't know. I don't know anybody. I know you use one lipstick. It's in my purse. I don't know anyone who I don't use any Pat McGrath. And I really don't know anyone who has in a while besides when and it's a really expensive brand too. So like makeup these days like if you're going to be that price, I'm trying to think of like what a like hourglass really pricey. But they have like key products that keep people coming back. The concealer being one of them like I don't know what sort of like cornerstone product everybody uses. The things that were popular were like more makeup trends. Yes. The time not like a foundation I can't live without. Yes. I understand. Well, I feel like first of all, chapter 11 like does mean it's over. Someone could buy it. Someone could restructure it and like make it valuable once again. Like Victoria Beckham. She's crushing it by the way. I mean getting some maybe because I saw you like the video that then was sent to me like. By the algorithm. What was the video? She said it was talking about her eyeliner. So she sold every 30 seconds, one every 30 seconds. And then when you see that it's such good marketing because when you see that, I'm like, well, then I need one, even though I don't even wear eyeliner. So I have never used a Victoria Beckham makeup product. And I feel like her whole brand and I thought this after the documentary too is moving from close to beauty. She must be at least in the UK at least like real successful beauty. I kind of felt influenced a couple of times to buy something. I might where do they sell it? I bought two things. We're not from a video online. I got a. That's a fora. I don't think so. I got a like a cream white eyeliner, you know, like green colored eyeliner and the their lip balm. Everyone has a lip balm. These days, I think the beauty is paying for the clothes. Yeah, because I don't know if the clothes are like flying off the shelves. And it's that's expensive to run that that keeps everything in the green. I don't think she's interested in running strictly a beauty brand that was like not the dream. But like this allows her and her partner. Yeah, to make money and for her to live her dream and put out party clothes, which the world does need. Yeah. Yeah. But I have felt compelled like if I if I'm in a store and they sell Victoria Beckham, like I might get some beauty. Yeah, I've heard the contours stick is like it's like tiny. So it's like people love it. I have a contours stick that I love, but it's becoming increasingly harder to find. So it might be like I just bought two because I'm scared of the day where they tell me. Well, that's what Taylor Swift's going to have to do with her red lipstick. If I'm like, truly goes out of business. Yeah. So let's see what happens. I wanted to tell you one thing. So on Friday, after Friday's episode, so Jack and I recorded a patreon episode, kind of like a quarterly. No, no, like an annual installment. We do called toast radio and the whole theme was like commuter edition. It's a radio show that we record on patreon. So if you ever want to like listen to music, but also listen to the toast, you can listen to toast radio. Brilliant. We talk about our favorite songs. We do like celebrity like chitchat. Ha ha. And one of the songs Jackie selected that she's been listening to during her commute is band aids by Katy Perry. She's giving Katy Perry a second chance. So I listened to it on my commute this morning and it's actually very good. I'm so glad that you agree. You influenced me and I'm glad we're taking it to the main show because I know I said this on toast radio. Everyone's giving that but I'm Katy Perry's new music. Mm-hmm. But it's a shame because band aids is a wonderful song and it's like about her divorce from Orlando Bloom. So it's like topical and it's beatsy and I just feel like it's like no one's paying attention. And then as I was listening to it, I had like kind of a radical thought about Katy Perry. I'm going to make an analogy if that's okay. I feel like I feel like Katy Perry knows her. Justin Trudeau is Katy Perry's Travis Kelsey. Like after this big long relationship, this like celebrity couple that you might think is like a rebound. I actually think her and Justin Trudeau, if they haven't broken up already, like our endgame. And like you don't think it's ever going to happen after this like long breakup, it's giving rebound. But Travis was technically a rebound and now they're getting married. Oh, but I don't see Katy and Orlando as I saw like Joe. Why they have a camera? They really got a little ice. I don't consider Joe and Taylor that much. Oh, wow. I feel like they're less than. Oh, they were basically married like yeah. Like I feel like Katy was like happy with Orlando. They had a beautiful family like daisies, everything. And Taylor was happy with Joe and like until she wasn't. No, but what was being put forth was like not happiness. Well, yeah, they were always like hiding and like like living in sin almost right. Yeah, but I do believe that they were happy. Even though like you listen to her music now, it's a girl. Are you okay? Like anything I feel like Travis's Taylor's Orlando. So you think Katy and Orlando are OTP? Like do you think they'll ever find their way back to one another? I don't know the song. Like it didn't sound like it was that like like the word Sigi did was not ask her how her J was. Like girl, okay. They're women out here accepting less. So like go back like it didn't feel irreparable or actually him being with that girl who just got to serve for Halloween. Oh, that is like now. I never speak to me again. I'm forch. Yeah, I forgot about I forgot about that. I'm a fortunate situation. But yeah, I'll hand you back your analogy. I don't feel like it's a little half-pixed. She's rebutting my analogy. All right, well, you'll be keep working to be eating your words when Katy Perry's walking down that Canadian aisle. Okay, sure. Yeah. I, I, I would like to see that. Yeah, I'm not rooting against your analogy, by the way. Really? It feels like you really are. No, I just like the work isn't complete so far. You're such a teacher sometimes. Like I actually, Jackie always does say that like if she weren't doing what she was doing, like she might have become a teacher. And you would be an amazing one because you're a bitch. Okay. I think I would be an amazing. She's always like telling me my ideas are half-baked and that I didn't do my homework and that like she's sending me to the principal's office. Which is just my office. I think I'd be a good principal too. There are two different types of teachers. I think we all agree. Like teachers, everyone has a teacher. Like Miss Honey? Yes, everybody has a Miss Honey and a Miss Trunchable. Like, yeah. You are such a Trunchable. Like, I think I'm a perfect one of both. No, no, like I know. Who's your Miss Honey? I think I have two. Miss Shine, mine was my Miss Honey and Miss Bracho. Like, she was such a real one. That's really sweet. I'm obviously not going to say my Miss Trunchable because everybody listens to this podcast. And every all of our former teachers, every time I talk about a teacher, like it ends up in my DMs, like please don't. So you cannot say your Miss Trunchable. Yeah, even though I'm really trying to think like a teacher who like scarred you, like said something so mean or like was so, oh, I know, sorry. I thought it was talking about her the other day. Oh, it's yeah, who was your Miss Honey? No one comes to mind. Oh, maybe that's why you are a Trunchable. But I don't have a Trunchable either. Maybe every Trunchable never had a honey and that's how they ended up a honey. But I Matilda is like an attorney. I don't have like, I like imprinted teachers on me. Good or bad? Good or bad? I guess that's good. Yeah. Like they were just like doing, they were doing their job. Like a student that like was stood out for better or for worse. Oh, I definitely was. You know what I mean? For both, like for better and for worse. I'm trying to think. Me and No. Okay. Mr. Levine. It was like, was your Miss Honey. Yeah, I'm very unremarkable. Ah, Jackie, the tone, do not. Ah. Don't say that. That's so much. I've never seen you make that face. I can't breathe. I've never seen that face before. I'm seriously, I can't. She's unremarkable. Yeah. Okay, Dad. Sorry, I asked. So sorry, I helped you feel that. I do. Actually never felt better. Oh, okay. You're not unremarkable. I mean, you couldn't be unremarkable if you tried. Like when you were like the only redhead in your grade, look please. 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And then she was on watch what happens live, saying that she's been going out on a few dates with Carl. They're getting to know each other. And then on Instagram, it seems as though they both traveled to London together, taking a couple trips. So they're like dating. I don't know if they're boyfriend, girlfriend yet, but they are seeing each other. It's giving Paige and Craig. It is giving, you know, the new Paige and Craig. The new Paige and Craig. I do feel like summer house does sort of need, like new something and you know, with Paige leaving. And it was kind of like, and now Kyle and Amanda is divorced. Like will help ratings. So anything to help, these pre-existing, because there's quite literally no reason Carl is on this show. He really has not provided much since his break up with Lindsay. I think it's probably better for him to not be on the show. I think he would probably have it. Like he's just like, he's just sort of elevated beyond it. He's sober. I feel like he's doing really well in his life. I don't know what purpose the show serves him besides financial. I mean, he's now in so deep with his bar. A serious purpose. Of course. So I do think he kind of needs things to keep him in the mix a little bit, because he does feel sort of like an outsider now with like these younger cast baits coming in, like West and Jesse. And so this is great. If she's going to be on summer house, she's great on Southern Charm. I think like, I think this is good for both of them. Like I'm thinking of this as a business. Yeah, but in terms of like a personality sense, I could see why they would click, but I don't know if like it could go the distance. And also like then again, it's the same patient situation. Who's moving? Yeah, I think the difference is that like, I don't know, I feel like the need of what obviously move like Carl's like such a storied, even though she has more of a few, she has more of a few turns on Southern Charm than he does on summer house. Yeah, and like, I don't know, she like has her house and her thing. She's like very Charleston. I feel like. Yeah, and she's like settled sort of. Yeah, I feel like he's a little more transient. Yeah, except soft bar like, yeah, got $900,000 due in rent. That's true. So like these are big conversations. I'm not to put too much pressure, but it's like, you know, yeah, it could become an issue down the line. I have, I am not caught up in Southern Charm. I've seen people, the Southern Charm community, like being like where are the recaps? Oh, the S. I'm gonna catch up. I'm behind on a C Southern Charm and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because I've been watching like traders and Tommy Lies and there's only so many hours in a day. I feel like the stream, it's like kind of like a streaming moment. Yeah, and I just like got behind on Southern Charm, but like I will, I will find the time to get back to it because you know that's my come virtue. Yeah. And like Zach carried on without me, like it's the whole thing. Zach's been watching Southern Charm. Yeah, like we usually watch together because it's just show that we both like and I don't know when he was, he's like one watching the new episode. I'm like new episode. Oh wow, that's fine. Keeping up behind your back. Right, not very supportive. Not supportive. So then it's like, oh, well, we can't watch together because we're not, you know, so everything's just a mess. And then he doesn't want to watch the old episodes again and like you don't want to be not. And when I jump, I gotta get you no Charlie. What's going on with Sally? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll try and pick it back up soon. But anyways, I think this is a cute couple and good for content if nothing else. Right, good for Bravo Con. You know, it'll be fun if it's just for a moment. Neither of them are filming right now. So like maybe just wait. Yeah. Wait a couple months. Yeah, so you don't like break up before you even get a chance to film. And like, I'll see you. Yeah. And I feel like they're telling us about like a little early on, which is never a good sign. But fingers crossed. Yeah. Our fifth and they both seem like they want like a serious relationship. So if they're put, their intentions are so true, then I think that's a good place to start. That's very true. Our fifth and final story leading into TV recap. Traitors. Alan coming. Oh, please. Is this about their statement? Oh, no. Okay. This is about, he gave an interview to awards radar. And I'm talking about the banquet. Yeah, he said a lot of things about the show. Some like inside baseball that's really interesting. And like that they don't live at the castle. They live in a courtyard on Marriott. Oh, that we already knew. But no, he talked about like the round tables, how they play like spooky music for five minutes at the round table before Alan comes in. They like make the environment like very charged. She said like for a while, like no one like speaks. Because we see that on the show. It's like who's going to, who's going to throw it out there. But then it gets like so heated. Yeah. How it's really like a psychological torture experiment. And Alan coming is obviously him being really famous and like being the host. But I do feel like he loves his job. Like he's so caught up on the drama. I feel like, and I don't know why this is coming as an example to me, but like like Ariana Maddox on Love Island. I feel like she's like no idea what's going on in the house. She just like comes, does her twirls and leaves. I feel like Alan is like obsessed. I feel like he's like a fan of everyone. I feel like he loves his job. Yeah, I think he does too. Yeah, I'm tired. He was asked what's the greatest moment, TV moment in history. And he said, I think it's going to come in season four of the traders. There's something that happens that it's just so insane. And they, so they go nuts. And there's some behavior that happens because of that, it's just landish. So I honestly, it's certainly the best moment of traders TV history. So we know that the banquet is next week. But it says when you hear the word banquet, right? It will probably be, I don't know if it's going to be this episode. He said which episode it is. I think he said seven. I don't know if that's. I think we're on seven. Yeah, really? We're on to be seven. Next episode is three, two, one. They release three episodes, two episodes, then one. OK, that would make this the seventh. Well, I hope so. Me too. The trailer looked good, but it always looks good. So him saying this, obviously, like is, I don't know if he's just hyping it up, but it does sound like something really crazy happens when they also sound at that banquet. This most recent episode was so good. I'm obsessed with the concept of this show. And I feel like you really can never predict who is going to end up doing well. Because I feel like I remember saying at the beginning, like Candace still remembers that, like, such a bad choice for a trader. She's fucking crushing it. Like, I do understand why nobody has guessed her. And like what I had said was that Lisa was such a good trader and Candace is not going to be a good one. And it's the total opposite. I'm shocked at how not only bad of a trader, Lisa, is how bad she is at confrontation. And she should be counting her stars, like, that the internet, like, Colton thought he was going to come on this show and, like, undo a lot of the poor image issues he had. And it's just having such a bad effect. I don't think he should have done it. It's having the opposite effect. It's just, and he's being so creepy and weird. And it's like, well, you accused of being creepy and you are creepy. So like, creepy is going to create. And so Lisa is sort of, like, winning just because of goodwill. Like, yeah, everyone hates Colton. But in terms of the show, like, Colton is crushing Lisa. She's so bad when she's being accused. She just, like, and Lisa fucking, nobody cares. Like, that's not a rubbottle. What she was trying to say is that she's more than a housewife. She's not even like, I'm more than anyone could say that. But it's like, she's not necessarily cast on the show because she was on housewives. Right. She doesn't really, hasn't been on housewives for a couple of years. Right. Like, she has 36 years of experience. In the business. In the business, she's an actress. She could have been on the show as an actress. So she doesn't automatically just go into the housewife box. Sure. I mean, it was like a great, you know, it was a slave for the internet, but I don't think Colton's buying it. I mean, if he was like suspicious of her, her reactions have just sort of confirmed for him. And nobody cares that he's playing well now because we hate him. I mean, he was being really creepy this episode. Even more like you can, he had this, like, just sort of manic twinkle in his eye when he was like, honestly, so like that of a crazy person. So you can see how he did stalk and harass someone because he's kind of good at it. Like, yeah, I'm gonna hold Lisa hostage and he like has this very zeroed in. Insane, like, I've never seen him so excited. Like, it's creepy. So Lisa's just winning popular opinion because she's up against the online. Online. Yeah. And she's not getting properly criticized for being a horrific traitor. Her time is limited. Yeah, it is. I thought Rob is playing an amazing game. Okay, so when he turned around and said Lisa, like, he got very lucky that Lisa didn't end up getting home, getting sent home. Because while they are a team, they're also playing for themselves. So he did, he has to protect the traders, but he also has, so I understand why he did what he did. And it was a very human moment for Ron. And I was just so glad. Like, everyone's pissing me off. You said it. You were like, the eight of them were deciding to go in non-culton and not get swayed because Colton's always swaying. The whole thing, Johnny said, like, he always comes to the table and he sues everyone. We have to get rid of him because he does not make use of swayer. He does make good choices and he's leading us poorly. He's the leader, but he's leading us poorly and we all get wrapped up in Colton. So they had eight people who were gonna vote for Colton. And literally at the round table, two of them got swayed by Colton. The reason why they were gonna vote for him to begin with and didn't vote for him. Now, I don't necessarily want Colton to go home because I think he's good for the show. And he is on to Lisa. The traders can't send him home now because- It's so obvious. Yeah, and I feel like they have yet to name someone where when they say it, it's like, aha. Like, you know, but when he said Lisa, like now everyone looking back at her gameplay so far, like it's so obvious. It's so obvious. I don't know how this is. No, but like the fact that she's this huge person and yes, her rebuttal of like, what do you want me to do on the table? Like, I'm not a housewife all the time. Like I'm, but she does have a huge personality. If anybody has watched her shows, they know that like she's a big mouth. And that's Candace too. And Candace is really leaning into that and it's very, it's working for her. Yeah, and Candace is like, you know, has a lot of camaraderie with the faithfuls. Like the fact that Tara and Johnny are like, it's- Gonna trust her. Yeah. Also, like the round people was so frustrating because when we're looking back, you know, Tiffany is very much Colton's doing. And I guess Porsche is Ron's doing. And Ron's like, but you also got Michael kicked out. And I know it doesn't count because we don't like Michael, but you did. And it was like, thank you for fun. Like everyone in this group is so easily brainwashed that like it actually, it really is like a sociological experiment on how people who are even like really smart and like tough otherwise, a group think is so real. Because like, yeah, like Michael said something that we didn't like. And it's like, well, you did falsely accuse him of being a trader and like, yeah, you kind of got lucky that he said that. But you still, like that's still a knock in your column. Yeah. And Ron's like, but that doesn't count because we don't like Michael. And guess Ron, stand up for yourself. Yeah. And he almost turned that table. It was actually, but I was watching it me and Dan like, it's very tense. I had no idea who was going on. It was also more able to turn that table for Lisa that would have actually been masterful and he would have been right. And he would have been vindicated for everything. And he was so close to doing it because when they sat down, it was either Ron or Colton going home. He had the eight votes. They were going to send him home. So the fact that he like got that close, he is good at this game. If he didn't have issues like in with him his personal life at the audience didn't like like, he would be really goaded so far in how he's playing the game. Well, now I kind of worry for Candace because Candace has kind of been resting on Ron, right? She's like, I've said Ron for the beginning. So she hasn't had to make any hard decisions because Ron is still there. Now Ron is out. Lisa's name is being thrown around. But you don't vote for a housewife. So she can easily go with that. That's so true, which is such a dumb rule. Yeah, because it's like, it's not about what if you really think the housewife is betrayed or you're not going to vote for them because they're a housewife. Michael Rappaport went on radio and he said there's so much that hasn't been shown. There's apparently a huge like insane like housewives level blow up between Caroline, Stambarri and Derinda. And also Ron and Derinda, both of which, they say like Derinda's getting this like protective edit. Michael Rappaport said that the fight between Caroline and Derinda really had nothing to do with traders and that might be why it didn't make air. But during the roundtable between Derinda and Ron, it did like weirdly get heated when he was like, I'm on my family. Yeah. And it was like, that's kind of weird and he was responding to comments being like, there is so much lower there that like nobody knows. Yeah. I would love to know what happened. And there is a trader's reunion. So I do think a lot of these questions will get answered because it seems like a lot of people are fighting about things like that have nothing to do with the traders. Yeah. So I'm curious. Well, there's a lot of personalities in one house. Yeah. Like that's what they're used to doing is fighting. Yeah, I guess like Derinda and I didn't watch that season but she was like the first person sent home last season so people were really excited about her potential for being on the show. And you know, just because the game play like she got sent home. So it was like, I don't ride for Derinda like at all I did not like her as a housewife. I think she like goes like really low and says like kind of the most evil shit you can say to someone and she's like, oh I'm Derinda. Okay. So I could see her like saying really mean things to Ron who's like just kind of like like weak. Yeah. You know, he like doesn't defend himself well. And now he's. Well, he doesn't the round tables. Well, he did. He had a great round table. He doesn't have a lot of allies. He doesn't really care to make them. He's just playing the game. And if he were a trader, he'd be the world's worst trader because he's not even trying to like be with the faithful. So they're just like so surface level. I would love to watch the show played by people who are very smart and very good at gameplay. Unfortunately, they eliminated all the numbers. That's sort of the core issue with traders is that it's designed to get rid of people who would be playing the game best. Well, first they just got rid of people who they know play good game. They got rid of raw and the survivor people just because they know them to be smart. They didn't even do anything yet. Right. So it would be good like when they do traders regulars, it will be good because people don't have preconceived notions about each other only keeping like the dumb around. That's very true. That's very much like survivor, regular survivor. Because those survivor people are regular people who won survive. Yeah. Who are just like good at gaming, but they're getting eliminated because of that. They didn't even start to game yet. Yeah, I feel like not enough. Like they're always like they target Colton. They target people because they're kind of leaders. Like people. Yeah. And I feel like no one is targeted not only yet. And she's not a trader, but I feel like she's the exact type of person that this group would come after because she's always staring people the wrong way. Yeah. And also they need to understand maybe in the past seasons it hasn't been this way and they're just going off of what people did last season because again, like not the brightest bunch. But like if someone is putting themselves out there and like taking shots like and putting a target on their back, it's likely that they're not a trader because that's so obvious that then they're going to be going that. Well, in this particular group too, like they're just sort of hunting people who speak up. Right. Which is such a bad method because like, okay, so what are we supposed to do? Yeah. Like really you have to look at people who aren't speaking up. Who would otherwise be speaking up like Lisa Rina? And the Porsche thing is so crazy that people think Ron was a trader because yes, he did bring it up. But then at the round table she flubbed her words again and that's really what turned a lot of people. So it was like yes, Ron's provided the evidence that did happen. He was just doing what he was supposed to do. But a lot of people said Porsche and voted for her because at that exact round table she said, we killed like she messed up again. But they, but we did kill Ian because they put coffins in his grave and then the trader sent him home. Like it was group effort. Yeah, yeah, it's just like it wasn't all Ron. I agree. And it's like Porsche was way more popular than Ron. Right. So how could he have gotten her sent home when she had so much good will? I just feel like no one was onto Lisa so she got kind of lazy. And like the second there was any sort of heat on her, she just like sucks. Like she's being so kind of, it's like painful to walk. Yeah. She's just making that same loose over Rina Bay's like, and it's just not compelling. Like, ah. And you know what? She should have taken that Colton deal. But what can she, what can someone do once the suspicions on them really? Unless she could have told everyone at the round table, like, you know, Colton is here for himself and he tried to make a deal with me. He thinks I'm a trader, but I'm not. Except that really just confirms to people that Colton is not a trader. Yeah, because I wondered like, why wouldn't she tell everyone that makes Colton look so bad? And it makes her look like a team player. Like, look, he's trying to just save himself, but like, but then I guess it pretty much confirms that like in backdoor rooms, he's not a trader. But sometimes they need to eliminate people who they know like those who are distracting to the game, right? Who keep bringing up names and their sniffers off. Like, and if we're going to, if this person is very compelling that we're going to listen to them all the time and they keep giving us the wrong name and they are getting in the way of the game. Just get Stan Colton. Oh, and then like traders put out this statement on their social media. Very love Island, USA. Very love Island, USA. Except love Island, USA was like kind of like responsible for a lot of the, yeah, US. So they put out this like black and white statement just like about bullying. Who is, who is like being bullied? I believe Colton. Colton. Like this was the first week that like sort of like, you know, Demi from his season has been making a lot of tiktoks. Like, if you're watching the Bachelor and I feel like so few people now like who are in reality or we're watching reality back then. So not a lot of people know. I feel like a lot of people at the round tables and stuff do not know that Colton has this like sorted past. So this week was like the first time he like was acting really creepy and people like, well, if you want to know his lore about being creepy. So they posted this statement. We are committed to making our cast feel safe, respected and supported on screen and off. The cast of the traders are real people and what happens in the game should never lead to cyber bullying or harassment. There's a difference between discussing a show and targeting individuals. So let's not ruin the passion for the show with a more into negativity and personal attacks. We appreciate your support. And I have to assume that means is regarded to Colton, right? Yeah, I don't really know who else is getting heat. Other than Michael Rappaport was they didn't write that statement when New York Magazine said Michael Rappaport ruining traders. And those things are always so full of shit to me. It's so like performative transparent. And it's like, well, if you really cared about bullying and harassment, you wouldn't have cast a harasser. Right. So I don't know what I could. I've been seeing a lot that like the edit, like the way the show is manipulated and so many ways is crazy. When they're filming the show, they're incredibly manipulated. They like, they do so, they film so many things. So many times want to keep the scent off of people, but like they are literally in like this crazy experiment. Even playing spooky music before Alan comes out. Like they're manipulating the cast. Then they manipulate the edit to make it look like other things. And then like we are just like piecing together stuff. So I feel like they're most interested in like high entertainment value, not like protecting people's mental health in the show that's literally like a stamp. A psychological experiment. Yeah. You know, I hate when shows do this. Like these are the same thing to love Island. They're fucking with these people so bad. They're keeping people on who are not really unstable. They're letting people Instagram, drama, penetrate. They literally kicked out Sierra for like an old Instagram post. They like, they feed into a lot of that internet drama. And then they're like, stop bullying. No, and like they keep people on. They manipulate things to keep people on who are having a hard time and acting crazy because they want the crazy. And then when we're like that person's crazy and they're like, don't call them crazy. And it's like, well, you left the crazy person on and you cast them in the first place. And you're making them crazy. Yeah. No, totally. I hate when shows do that. Just like, be the show that you said you are. Like if you really care about the show, like implement changes to protect, but you don't actually care. So it's not yelling at us. Right. We're just watching your show. We're only acting to what you put out. Right. In a crazy way. Right. And so that didn't bully her or us. No. And like if we're going to start accusing people of harassing, let's just start with the man who is a restraining order against his ex-girlfriend. Like please. It's crazy. She never talks about it. She must be fucking traumatized. Like everybody talks about like the car, the tracker, the tracker, which in and of itself is a crazy thing to do to your ex-girlfriend. Like you put a tracker on her vehicle. But he was like textually assaulting like all of her family members. Like it was like this thing. This really traumatic thing her and her family went through. She removed herself from public life after that. And like Larry is married. Like nobody knows anything. She, her sister is famous now. Like she does not mess with him. It must have been the most traumatizing thing. Oh, and all the while he's like coming out as gay, it must have been the most confusing weird thing. So yeah, she was like quite literally never seen again. Yeah. It must have been worse than we even imagined. Like we, and then we'll be out. But the fact that she doesn't like chime in now, like, you know, with the, you know, like anyone else would be like with a single Instagram like, no, she wants no part of it. That's how you know he's like really scary and crazy. Yeah. So yeah, please save the, the, you think Lisa Rina will kill with her brooch. I saw a good theory. I feel like the, it's not always right. I know. I don't know what, what? Durinda, because one Durinda is like sort of the backup that Colton has and being like Lisa Rina is not usually like this. Yes. And I feel like she could easily get Durinda to touch her brooch. Be like, oh my god, feel my brooch. Yes. But how would they just like, who could they blame that on? Being like, who would want to kill Durinda right now besides Rina? She was beating with Ron, but Ron's gone. Yeah, it could just be like a traceless killing, like if she killed Eric. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Because why would I have to be like, it's not traceless. Why would housewife, maybe they look like they're framing Durinda framing Lisa. Yeah. It's not a perfect theory, but she really needs to get rid of someone. It can't be Colton. It could be Colton because if say she was a faithful and they get rid of Colton, well, a faithful wouldn't get rid of a traitor wouldn't get rid of Colton because he's so good at like missing the mark. But it would be a great way to then put to frame Lisa Rina. And then she could be on being framed. Yeah, which is a, and then she, and then at least she like gets rid of Colton. Yeah, which is like, before he successfully takes her down when she's about or he gets a shield because he said, I'll get a shield every time he won't be able to kill me. But if they don't kill him now, they're never going to kill him because we'll always leave back to Lisa Rina. Yeah. And I feel like not killing him is confirmation that it's Lisa Rina. That is true. Like no one's really thinking to steps ahead. Yeah. And it's not even about thinking to steps ahead. It's about like just being able to successfully argue your point and like make them believe that, of course, they wouldn't they're going to kill, they killed Colton to now. You guys will all target me. Like you could really like manipulate them. Definitely, they're not like them, right? Yeah, because if everybody thinks Lisa's a traitor and she's not, the traitors would kill Colton because it makes Lisa looks like like the traitors. So she could say that too. Yeah, it's just about being a good argue or a good like verbal manipulator of which Lisa is like not. Yeah. And Colton is. Right. Ron is. They got rid of Colton. Ron was. Yeah. Robin Candace are doing great. I feel like they has a traitor for one. I don't know. I feel like it's really hard. I would love to see it because none of the faithfuls who are still there unless Colton wins and it would be well-earned aside from his reasons. You don't like him. He would have earned that win. No one. Everyone else is just coasting my mark ball. What? When I said win, I feel like Mark ball is like, I feel like he's a big personality and he might be giving like cut out because of where is he? But like, you know, who's giving quite literally nothing? Mora. Yeah. She's been like, holy disappointing, except that like her and Rob have to run away. Well, I feel like if they fall in love and then he's a traitor, like it might make for interesting TV down the line. I love that. She's not giving much, but I'll hold out hope for because she is a big personality, but like Tara and Johnny and Jam Jam and Stephen Coletti, even though he seems like a standup guy. That was nice. Yeah. I don't want to see one of them win. They didn't earn anything. Agreed. They're just like being group think followers. We're just the last man standing. Yeah. Yeah. And Mark Ballis, I'll put him in that category too. Yeah. Even Natalie a little bit. Yes, Natalie. That was a crazy outfit she was wearing. And also Christine. Christine, yeah. Like, she's smart. I just get the vibe that she's like a smart person. She's just not being smart. Yeah. It's group think she's just getting swayed by the group majority rules. She's just another number. And I don't want to see one of those people win because it's not earned. They're not taking risks. And they're not like critically thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. Well, that's your treaters recap. That was your show. 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