The TRUTH: Top 10 Fantasy WRs + Phony Finishes - Fantasy Football Podcast for 1/29

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Thursday January 29th. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Mike Wright is here. Jason Moore is here. The deucers up to some funny business? Yeah, the deucers are up to something. We were just, Matt asked me to turn his headphones down. That was it. We were just... Oh, is that all it was? Yeah. I see. I never know what to expect from you guys. Never know when a gag or a goof is just on the way. You don't know what happened. Is it like, I think yesterday in the office, as we were sitting there and Jason was signing cards for the rest of his natural life. Hand is so sore. Sold out, by the way. Thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you very much for the support. That was very fast and excited to get them in your hands out of Jason's hands. But Jason walked over and he like said something to Al. Like real quiet and maybe it was related to Wheel of Shame. Is that what it was? That's what it was? Yeah, I didn't know if it was some plot. At any moment, somebody could elect themselves into the Ballers Hall of Fame, Ring of Honor, whatever it is. That kid, there is a very thorough process. It just doesn't seem like... I just have completed it twice. Right. No, Mike has completed the thorough process two times. Welcome into the show. Guess nothing weird is going on. January 29th, we have the truth about the wide receiver position on today's show. We got news, more news, more coaching news to talk about. Yes. Yeah. A lot of fun stuff. And we'll sneak into an abridged version of Fantasy Face Off, share some early thoughts on the Super Bowl. There's a lot going on. If you don't remember, Super Bowl Sunday is the day in which the UDK pre-orders go live. And there will be stuff to access immediately in the Dynasty Pass, the Ultimate Draft Kit pre-order day, always Super Bowl Sunday. I'm pretty sure they remember that. I mean, if you don't remember, there's also football on that day. But Super Bowl Sunday is really for the UDK pre-orders, the Dynasty Pass first drop, all of that. So they play a game. The Seahawks will be playing against the Patriots that later that day. Yeah, they just picked two random teams from the pre-season time and it was these two teams and then they ended up in the Super Bowl. So the scouting has begun for the Dynasty Pass and not just for that, but to know the rookies and all these things. Guys, I mean. You already got some favorites? I've already got, I got a guy who I think, I'm like, oh. You already got an Astro Boy? It's a third rounder and I'm gonna be all about it. The third round is not too far back. All right. I'm sorry. No, day three. Oh, big difference. No, third rounder is incredible. I love a third round. That's not nasty enough. No, this is. Running back? Yes. Okay. And I'm pretty excited. I don't want to get ahead of it because I don't want to tamper any opinions that you have not formed on these players. Sure. Yeah, no, we're forming them. But I can't wait to find out who Mike will select to be probably on a Hall of Fame trajectory at this point. If not for all of his injuries. Because that is tight. Yeah. Yes. Is, um, they burn hot. They burn too hot. Too hot for them muscles. And ligaments and meat, as Jason would say. Ten days until the Super Bowl and the UDK pre-orders. A reminder, you can watch the show, youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers. Click the bell. You'll be alerted to all of our newest episodes. We appreciate it. All your comments, we do read through them. Some are just plain crazy. Just some crazy stuff, y'all say. But most of them are pretty cool. Spotify, leave us a five star review. Apple as well. And the community is over at jointhefoot.com. We'll kick it off with some news. News and notes from around the league. What do you guys want to start? You want to start with these? We'll start with Arthur since it was older. Yeah, we should have brought it up on Tuesday. But um, you know, I think it was just relief. We could finally put it out of our heads. Arthur Smith is not really going to college. Not fully NFL news. It's NFL adjacent. So you're gone. He's gone, everyone. Arthur Smith can no longer. Yes. You are primary running back in your primary wide receiver. Did you hear the news next to it though? What? What? They gave Johnny Smith another year of eligibility. Oh yeah. He's going to Ohio State. He's going back. Actually on the Dynasty podcast today, um, Betts brought up this great point because we're talking about rookies. We're looking at an overview of the rookies that are coming in this year. We realize, you know, wide receiver, you Ohio State, like Jeremiah Smith is the next JSN. He's the guy that years ahead while all these great wide receivers are coming out. Jeremiah Smith is like wait until he hits the NFL. He's actually the best one amongst them, but that's now the number one wide receiver for Arthur Smith. So he might when he has a bat, when he has a down season at Ohio State this year, just know, yes, or his fault and buy the dip. Okay. So someone to blame when we don't have another great player. Uh huh. Yeah. So Jeremiah Smith leaving the NFL, Steelers, former offensive coordinator Falcons head to head and heading to Ohio State. So we also got news. More teams found their head coach. The bills decided to go with Joe Brady, their offensive coordinator. He will call plays for the bills. He had been calling plays for the bills. What a change they needed. I mean, this one just, it doesn't make sense to me. I think we were kind of debating it in the office and you had a good counterpoint, but my thought process is this is a team with a Superman quarterback, right? He, he, Josh Allen has single-handedly made this team good every year. And while obviously the coaching staff plays along, they've hit a wall that they can't get over. That's why they fired Sean McDermott. But then they just were like, we need change, but let's keep it exactly the same. Let's keep our offensive guy that we had. Like this was an opportunity in my opinion to go out and get, like this was one of the most desirable jobs. You could go and get someone that could take Josh Allen and not have Josh Allen carry the offensive mind, but have an offensive mind come in here and get the most out of Josh Allen. So I don't know. You can make the argument that Andy made, which is the problem had been their defense. Yeah, the offense was kind of cruising. This is good for James Cook from a schematic standpoint. It's really good for James Cook. It's not, it's not as good for Allen. It's good for Allen from consistency, but not necessarily like, if you want to see him go back to the Stefan Diggs days. And I mean, they were the number one running team. They had the leagues leading rusher and James Cook. They'll probably do a lot of the same things, but they grew tired of the kind of, you know, clearly McDermott had a problem with being about personnel. He was the defensive mind head coach who really wasn't given a full deck of cards to go out and, you know, play the best defensive football he could play. He complained about it. It is a little weird. It feels a little bit more personal than it feels like strategic, I think in some regards. And we'll see what happens. I mean, I do feel like there were probably outcomes that would have been a little more unpredictable for us in fantasy than Joe Brady saying. Certainly from a fantasy football standpoint, now it's predictable. We know that they're going to run the same offense and all of that. So we don't have to worry about wholesale change here. So from that standpoint, it's good, but we would have been bullish on Josh Allen no matter who they brought it. Yeah. Part of it was Brady leaving too. There was the potential for Brady as a head coach and candidate and candidate for other jobs. I just like, I like, I don't ever trust good OCs with Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I just don't trust them. That brings me to my, my point. So friend of the show, Pat Thorman tweeted this out. He was highlighting that since Joe Brady has started coaching on the offensive side, his teams have ranked in points. Okay. Ready? Fourth, third, first, awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. 24th, 29th, not good. Second, fourth, third and fifth. Awesome. Awesome. Now in that timeline, I'm going to see if you could spot where things may have gone right. So his quarterbacks in that time, Drew Brees, Hall of Fame, Joe Burrow at LSU with, with Jamar and Justin Jefferson, Josh Allen. And then there's a year with Teddy Bridgewater and the year with Sam Darnold in there. Yeah. It's like, what do you, I don't know what you do with that information. Cause we know this like head coaches who have, I mean, we will, we can walk into a, another piece of, of news here as the greatest head coach of all time. Oh my goodness. Is not a first ballot Hall of Famer for whatever reason, but it was, it was talking to Bill Belichick and some, some things have been brought up, but like people are, one of the arguments is, well, Tom Brady made Bill Belichick because Tom Brady left and he'd want a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick without Tom Brady, not a good head coach for the New England Patriots. Yeah. Before before Brady and well, he was okay in Cleveland. But it's, so the point is like, what do you do with guys like Joe Brady where they have, you have, you have elite offensive numbers when you have an elite quarterback, but also you have elite offensive numbers when you have an elite quarterback, which he has. So it's just hard to know what's corollary. There's so many moving pieces and that's what I mean. Like how much credit should Joe Brady get the same amount that every single coach always gets when your team wins. It's just what it is. It's a mask for all of it. This is where like a Mike McDaniel would have made me excited. Like he, he got a lot out of first. He got a lot out of two. You know what I mean? And I love guys that can schematically overcome poor quarterback play or average quarterback play and get the most out of them. And I just wanted to see that with Josh Allen. That would have been cool. Todd Monke is the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. This was the Ravens office. And it also is a bummer in the sense that we thought maybe this job would go to somebody else and Todd Monke would join Harbaugh in New York. That would have made me feel pretty excited about Dart and Scataboo and neighbors. Not that they can't. Yeah, I'll still be excited. Replace it. We have the list of coaches, which we will have a Greg Roman coming there. We will have a full list or a full episode where we're going to talk about head coaches and the impact that they have. But we have a list of over the last 25 years, we have seven first time head coaches who were 55 or older when they got their first gig. It's not good. I mean, shocking stuff. It's not shocking to me of I think Arians had been one of them. There's no way Bruce Arians was one of them. The oldest first time head coach. So like for the most part, it is just not good of these guys who've never been able to work their way up to the top of the ladder at that age to me is like, no, I'm cool with Todd Monke calling an offense. I don't know about him being a head coach. Well, I'm fine with it. You know, it's not going to work. It's just like whoever the card will sign it. It's not going to work. It doesn't. It doesn't work at those franchises. I would love to see this as seven first time head coaches over the last 25 years who were 55 or older. How about you give me the seven last first time head coaches of the Cleveland Browns and their average wins on a yearly basis? There's also that. Look, you didn't have an offense. You do have a defense. Um, I mean, Stefansky had some success there. Did you see the report? So they basically the Browns have a great defense and they've got Jim Schwartz under contract as their defensive coordinator. And apparently some we kept hearing all these coaches are pulling out of the Browns head coaching search because the Browns were adamant that Jim Schwartz is your DC. And then then it's so people were like, I don't want to bring my own person in there. Yeah. No, we need Jim Schwartz here. But Moncan is like, okay. And then as soon as they hire him, Schwartz is like, I am pissed that I'm not the head coach. I'm out of here. Yeah. It's the most brown. It's the most brown. The most browns hire ever. Oh man. Cardinals still looking. They're interviewing Kubeak for a second time. They've interviewed Michael LaFleur two times and we'll see. I think Kubeak, Annie LaFleur. Those were the last two. That's all I want. No, Raiders. Raiders. Yeah. Two left. But I actually have some hope as an Arizona fan that they're going to get either Kubeak or LaFleur. I do too. I think LaFleur makes a lot of sense. It feels like the winds are blowing. It does feel like the winds are blowing. I agree. I think he is. Give me one. Yeah. I don't care. I just want one of those last names. LaFleur is, he could be good, but it's all McVeigh, right? That calls the offense there in Los Angeles, whereas Kubeak is the manufacturer of everything good that's happened in Seattle because their head coach is a defensive minded guy. LaFleur did call the offense in his previous spot and then came to work under McVeigh, which is not a, not too bad a path. I'm happy with either of them. Again, like I just said, sometimes when franchises are kind of rotten from the top, it doesn't usually matter. You need to really strike gold for that to matter. And when I'm, that's what I'm saying about Monk in and the Browns. It's like, okay, whatever. They're still going to be the Browns. They're still going to be mismanaged and misorganized. And then what's going on with the Jets is hysterical to me. It is so outrageously funny. It is so, I mean, the Browns are going to Brown and the Jets are going to jet because Aaron Glenn has fired everyone, everyone. I mean, it's standing there like, well, you're a linebacker coach gone. You're wide, you're a system passing coordinator. You're OC, you're DC. Man, what terrible high. Everyone here. Like getting rid of, getting rid of bed, bed bugs. You got to, didn't you just hire all these people? And now guess who's going to hire the next set? Aaron Glenn, but it's going to get it right this time. Oh, it's going to be so much harder this time. Who would want that job? You, I mean, you're, you're, you're literally going into a job where you guarantee you're fired next year. You, right? I feel like you're going into a job where you guarantee that you have a shot to be an interim head coach. That, okay, that's fair. That's the sell. That's what would be for me. But is that the sell from Aaron Glenn? It's like, guys, I'm not going to make it through next year. You got a chance. Now you're right in the fact that the odds are with the fact that that staff would all be gone with Aaron Glenn. Yeah. And so, so you, you don't get the pick up the litter. It's going to be, it's going to be all people that move from passing game coordinator to OC and, you know, defensive backs goes to DC. That's what he's got to find the Titans. This is kind of interesting. They're hiring Brian Dable to be their offensive coordinator. I think this is still contingent on Dable, not getting a head coaching job, which could come in Las Vegas. There's been a lot of contingents. I mean, it's the smartest way to do it ever. I mean, it's, it's how you lock a Mike McDaniel in there. And I mean, let these guys rather than wait to see what's going to happen, negotiate a set deal for them and then let them go out and see if they get the head coaching job. But what do you do if they get the head coaching job? Well, then you got to hire somebody else. But I mean, you're going to be now it's double contingent. It's, it's an if this, then that it's if a full gets a head coaching job, you're my OC. I'm fourth on the list guys. It's like, I just need these three guys to get a head coach. Cam, Cam Ward. I mean, Cam Ward, it's, it's nice. It looked better at the end of the year. Yes. I mean, I think the table is an offensive mind that, you know, I have some confidence that, you know, what he did for Jackson Dart to begin his career was positive. The right direction, I think. Yeah. Salah and Dabell is a good one, two punch, I think. Yeah. And the jets officially, like you said, they're, they're fired their OC to complete the set of firings. The Broncos fired their OC. I, of course they did because, you know, Sean Payton, you should have helped me in the snow with that backup. Should have called the better plan for the one to be fair all season. We were saying the issue with the Broncos was their offense. Their defense was great. And Sean Payton's calling the place. So you go, you go blame the other guy. Well, he's not going to blame him. So you should have told me to call a better play. It's so Sean Payton. And then Bill Belichick is not a first ballot Hall of Famer. And, believe it, and the, oh man, this is so wild that he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer. Don't worry guys, Napoleon is getting in. Yeah, Bill. Yeah. I mean, they debated all the rumors. Why? They were, have you seen, what are we doing here? So, I mean, I, you don't think Spygate should have an impact? No, it already did. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, it had an impact on his, his career. Yeah. I'm not, I'm just playing Devils advocate here because, you know, this is like steroid era in baseball to a degree where like, yeah, some of these guys got in, but they don't get to be first ballot Hall of Famers when you cheat. There was an article. So I think it was the famous Miami Dolphins. Man, they're going to all think I'm like super anti-patriots by, by being Devils advocate. I'm realizing what's coming in the comments, but I'm just asking the question because obviously 10 people decided that that was the case. Yeah. So, it's so funny. If you, if you haven't been like plugged in here and reading the articles and seeing all the tweets from player Jimmy Johnson, dead dude's pissed. He is, he is dropping expletives online. And so the, the, the presentation was made for Bill Belichick and in that room, it is rumored that Bill Polian basically, you know, said that this was an issue and for Spygate, you shouldn't be able to get it. And then Bill Polian has come out and said he didn't. Unequivocally, that is not what happened. And he said he voted for Bill Belichick. No, he said that. And then he said later, I can't remember if I did or did not. Other people who were in that room are very confidently saying this dude was the reason. If you can't remember, I was shocked to learn Bill didn't get in. Polian said he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Well, he'll be there just not first ballot. That's the quote was, you cannot remember if you voted for Bill Belichick to be in the Hall of Fame or not. You should not be voting. This isn't the, this isn't the excuse you think it is. Like done. You don't get to vote anymore. If you can't remember who you voted for. Yeah. Like you, what? Are you serious? He remembers. He remembers, but it's, it's bad press right now to say that. But even after Spygate, if you just look at after the Colts were pumping in noise into their stadium, yeah, well, Bill Polian was working there. So many coaches. Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher, they've come out and said like Spygate, everybody was trying to do what they did. Everyone was trying to steal signs. Like they got caught and they got punished. But after Spygate, he won three Super Bowls, won like more games than John Man. It was like his resume, if you go only after Spygate was better than most coaches all time. It's insane. Yeah. I will say, Jason, though, with this, I do have more doubts that Mike Evans will get in on his first ballot. Yeah. I wanted to know how you felt about first ballot. If the coach with the most Super Bowls of all time can't get in the first time, I don't know if Mike Evans could do it. It would have depended if he's dating a 20 year old. The cool part, I did see, I wondered if that I genuinely was like, are people just like upset because it's like, you know, the the reputation is not what it wants. There were 10 guys in that room. They tried to send the same DMs and only bill got got the reply. You know what's funny is so I've seen a bunch of clips from his coaching since this news has come out and the famous play on the Super Bowl where they they Malcolm Butler. Yes. The interception against Seahawks when they should have given him Marshall Lynch. And I saw a clip I had never seen before of because it's pretty crazy that he didn't call time out there in that situation on the goal line. The Patriots were down. They needed to get the ball back and score and the clock was about to run out. Two timeouts left. Pete Carroll really bailed them out and he didn't call the time out. But there was a clip if you have not seen it where all the coaches, they all. Are talking about this and they clip up all the moments, all the players, all the coaching staff. You want to talk about unfathomable brilliance in coaching and his choice to not call that where they like the clips are them saying call time out. Yes. Time out. People are saying, do you want to time out? And he's so intently watching and he's seeing that the Seahawks are having struggle and they're kind of unsure what they're doing right now and their personnel and then all the coaching. I'll find it. I'll share it online. This isn't just Tom Brady. That dude was brilliant. And then, you know, he'll be a second ball off. All right, we'll take a break and come back with the truth of the wide receiver position. You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers? I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. This is my last thing. Why even have a first ballot? Why? Don't do it. Well, I mean, I don't think they're doing it or not doing it, right? It is like, if he can't get it on the first one, then just don't even talk about it. It's be like, you're eligible. You are finalists. We'll see you next year. We are into the truth of the top 10 wide receivers. We've done this with the quarterback position so far, the running back position. Little overview at the top. Wide receiver scoring was down across the board in 2025. Second few is total receptions and receiving yards by wide receivers. Over the last decade, I mean, we talked about the power of the running back this year, right? So I'll be curious how in draft season, if you have some, you know, what the swing is. Because I think it's very justifiable to go running back to start your draft. But I think this year in particular, I think Jamar Chase and Pukin Nukua belong in the one-on-one conversation. Oh, yeah. Whereas I don't know if we've had multiples in that conversation at wide receiver lately, but those two guys to me, I'm not going to argue with anybody even if they want to take them over Bijon, right? Like if you didn't feel, I mean, you do have a new head coach, office of coordinator in Atlanta. No JSN in there? I had JSN too. Yeah, JSN and Pukin were really well matched. No, no, that's, it's very fair. I think all those guys, obviously if a staffer doesn't come back or something. No Zay flowers? No Zay flowers. Why you got to do that? We got to play. We got to play. I was at a good year. Yeah, okay. You want to guess how many receiving touchdowns we had this year versus last year in terms of the differential? Oh, wow. I do not know. Do you know this number? I have no idea. I know it's down. 67 fewer touchdowns. Wow. By wide receivers in 2025. So for example, we had 10 wide receivers with eight or more touchdowns this year. We had 17 last year with eight or more touchdowns. This year's leader was Devonte Adams. He only had four other double digits. This is Amun Ra, Higgins, Puka and JSN. And then good old Olave, Pickens, Joann Jennings, Jamar Chase and Quentin Johnston are the others with eight or the last one. Quentin Johnston. Quentin Johnston. Does it make it sure people are hearing that name? I didn't hear Zae Flowers though. Well, we'll talk about him on today's episode. Oh my gosh. Zae Flowers is a top 10 episode. Zae Flowers is a champ. A League of Record champ. I was like, he didn't make the playoffs. No, but yes. He was more, was it your Melvin Gordon and the Chiefs? Is that who he was? Well, how so? I just remember Melvin Gordon was waving his Chiefs ring around. Like Melvin Gordon is a Super Bowl champ with the Chiefs. Yes, I understand that. And you probably didn't remember that he was ever on the Chiefs. All right. Number one overall, Puka Nakua, 24 years old. Number one at the wide receiver position. Number one, inconsistency. We take a look at the consistency of every player. That's what the truth is built on. It's not just where they finished in fantasy. It's how consistent were they week to week for your team. We look at their entire game log. We break it down into great games of 20 or more points for wide receivers. Good games of 12 and a half or more and bust games fewer than seven points. Puka, we know the story, but the numbers tell you 38% great, 81% good, 6% bust games for Puka Nakua. That number is down from 18% last year. Machine like. He is, you look at his career and has one of the best rookie seasons, literally all time, and was so good, top 10 in our consistency rank metric. And then the following season, even though he missed some games, he was so much better than he was that rookie season. Getting up to 73% of his games being good. And then this last year, even better. I mean, you can't ask for much more. He had one bust game on the entire season. He doesn't even score a ton of touchdowns. So it's possible we have not seen the best Puka. Like if they start involving him around, I mean, if Puka comes out one year and scores 12 touchdowns, because you know he's going to get the EPR work. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of his career, he had a 12 touchdown season. He's fully capable. He's such a funny player. And if you look at it in the isolated redraft single season, like I just, I just feel like he's the number one pick in the draft. I really do. I feel like Puka Nukua is the number one pick in all fantasy drafts. We'll see what my opinion is come, you know, June, July, August. That's how I feel right now. And now the Stafford thing, it's a ticking time bomb, right? Like Stafford's career will be much shorter from this point forward than Puka's will be. We will have a transition at the quarterback position. If McVeigh is still involved, we'll obviously be really in on Puka, but it's a one year window, one year at a time, but 1,700 yards, 10 touchdowns. You know, stayed healthy. Man, they really need to draft a quarterback. Yes, they do. Like they need to have someone waiting in the wings. Do not Pittsburgh this thing. You know the end is coming for Matthew. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I feel like there is a chance the end for Matthew is the end for McVeigh. Yeah. And it kind of feels that way. It should be. It's like McVeigh is like, why prep for your time? I'm not here. Right. I want them to be as bad as possible when I leave. That way I can be a first ballot, Hall of Fame coach. No one can be anymore. But yeah, we don't need to tell you how good Puka was really, you know it for fantasy, but the numbers, you know, outstanding on a week to week basis. Stayed healthy. That was nice. Home road splits the same defensive. The same, you know, if it's top or bottom defense, he just did the same thing every week all the time. And it was, it was awesome. JSN is number two and number two in consistency. These guys were so similar. I think it's, I mean, it's just a magical season from both of them. One bus game for each guy. Basically Puka had, I think one better big outlier, like heavy hitting score. Otherwise JSN was just as consistent, just as regular. Never let you down. Real fibrous. I was going total raisin band joke in my head, but I was like, no way. Mike talks about this once a day. He's a regular. Have your JSN once a week and you'll always be regular. And is now in the Super Bowl. 6% bus game, 76% great 20 or sorry, 76% good, which is a higher number or no, it's not Puka's at 81. Yeah, very, very similar numbers. Not a coincidence that these two guys just played each other for the right to go to the Super Bowl. You know, it's like the two best wide receivers this year were getting their team there. 12 top 12 performances for JSN. Yeah. Yeah, that was awesome. Number three, Amon Ross St. Brown with a consistency rank of number five in the first half. He was number four in consistency. He dropped off in the second half, 17th played through some injuries late in the season. We need to remember that. But 24% great. That was up from last year. 59% good. That was right around where he was last year. The bus games went up though. The previous two years, just 6% bus games this year, 24% bus games. Which is still a good number. It's still a good number, but it's certainly true. Not what we are. The blob fish. It's certainly not what we're used to with Amon Ross, but down the stretch, the Lions had some problems. Their season kind of collapsed at the end and you saw it in the game log for Amon Ross. I'm not really that worried about it. The Ben Johnson factor, him being gone, it made an impact. It really did. He was much better against bottom 16 defenses. So when things were easier for golf, obviously they were much better for Amon Ross. Home road splits were about the same. The last three seasons in a row, do you realize he was the wide receiver three all three years? And this year he was drafted at the 110. So he got the respect in the draft. That's where JSN stood out because it was, you know, Amon Ross went ahead of Puka, barely. And then JSN is like around a half later. Yeah, the nice thing is, for being, you know, not the giant 50-50 type of wide receiver, they use him around the goal line a ton. Let all wide receivers and red zone targets with 33, he had as many receiving touchdowns inside the 20 as the giants or jets. Oh, yeah. As a team. Yes. Do you, any surprise, you know, he was number 17 in consistency in the second half. That's when like Laporta went down. Jameson Williams took full advantage, but somehow Amon Ross became less consistent over that time. I think that's interesting. I don't know if that's like the interior part of the field. Teams could focus a little bit more on Amon Ross without Laporta there. I mean, it could also be the fact that Jameson Williams really had a great second half of the year. And on those great games, those are drive-ending long touchdowns sometimes. And that will come at the expense of the other wide receiver. Number four, Jamar Chase. His consistency rank was number three. Like these are very corollary. We didn't have any really surprised fantasy finishes that were, you know, crazy and consistent yet. But Jamar Chase, number five in the first half, four in the second half, the first four weeks of the year. Oh, man. He was wide receiver, 77, 44 and 60 in three of those four weeks. And Joe Burrow went out. It's hard to remember. And it was basically like panic in the streets. Yes. And it was a, it was a panic that I still think was, it was a probably jig browning. It was appropriate. But how to trade he was doing. How do you possibly see a road out of this? Because good lord, jig browning in weeks three and four. You know who didn't get the Joe Flacco escape hatch? Justin Jefferson. Right. Right? That's the other side of the coin. You needed a Joe Flacco and, well, he got it for like two seconds with Carson Wynn sort of. Right. Where he was kind of okay. And then it's like, he's gone and you didn't get that relief. I think we're realizing that there are three tiers of quarterbacks that matter for fantasy. There are the great quarterbacks. That's awesome. You want your wide receivers to have them. When we look at these great wide receivers over the years, we talk about, oh, Larry Fitzgerald had his down years still in his prime. Hopkins. He didn't have a quarterback Hopkins, et cetera. But it's, it's a middle tier quarterback with a superstar wide receiver can absolutely produce enough. Yes. And when they're hashtag bad, there's no overcoming it. And that's what Browning was. That's what the offense was. Go look at Chase Brown's numbers and then it all turned around and you rode Flacco right into burrow and that ride was great. And he ends up with 185 targets, 1400 yards, very similar numbers to last year. Same percentage of great games, basically the same good. The bus games were up because of the Browning weeks, but Jamar Chase is just. When all the receivers in football are at their very best, Jamar Chase is the very best is how I feel. I think that I would, if I was a general manager, he, he would probably be the wide receiver I would take. Like if I got my pick of every wide receiver currently in the NFL, I think it would be Chase over Justin Jefferson over Puka. I feel like he's the hardest to truly stop defensively of all the other receivers. He tweeted out, so if you haven't seen the great Clint Kubiak design on that JSN touchdown. Yeah, I did. The national championship. Yeah, he said he would have been truck-sticked at the line. Exactly. He gets, he gets a little bit more focus on the defense. Not that the defense isn't trying to focus on JSN, but when you're playing against Jamar Chase, that's, that's everything. He did have the biggest home road split of any top five wide receiver we've ever seen. So he was 21.8 points per game at home, 9.6 on the road. Tell me those Browning games, were those at home or on the road? Yeah, the two were on the road. Yeah, okay. These are, these are fudging the stats a little. Historical ranks through the first five years of Jamar Chase. Targets number one all time. Receptions number two behind Almanra. Yards number two behind Jefferson. We always hear about Jefferson leading the, you know, having the record through his first five years. And here's Chase also breaking all those other records. Tied for fourth behind Rice, Moss and Des Bryant for receiving touchdowns through his first five years. And the highest scoring fantasy player of all time through first five years. He's great. Now, interestingly enough, has ever dipped a target. It's dropped for five straight years. 12.9, 9.8, 9.1, 9 and 8.9. But again, get the ball in his hands. That was part of the recipe when Flacco got there. Just find a way to get him the football at all times. All right. We have number five. My guy. I mean, not mine. My guy. A my guy. The number one receiver for the Dallas Cowboys. That would be George Pickens. I'll say it like that. I mean, this year, George Pickens. Number five overall, number six and consistency. That consistency went from number six in the first half to 11 in the second half. Yeah, I got a little weird. I'll throw CD lamb into this analysis too. At the same time, handle the Cowboys because he missed so many games that his fantasy finish was much lower. 20th, but his consistency rank was 10. So he's actually less consistent than Pickens, even in the games he played. Lamb still had a very solid year. It really fell apart at the end, but it was solid. Yeah. Aside from the missing time. What was your takeaway from these two guys? I mean, one, do you expect Pickens back? 29% great, 53% good, 24% but I can't fathom a world where they let Pickens walk without franchising him. I haven't heard anything of that nature because there's no possible. You can't. No matter what, you have to get him under contract. Yeah, and he is going to demand a huge. Yes, the next best wide receiver on the open market this year. Talked about this on the on the Dynasty show. It's it's not a good free agent class for wider. Was it Alec Pierce's out there? The next best. Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah. There's a gap. Oh, there's there's a huge gap. One can be your like, you know, Alec Pierce is not coming to be the one on a franchise. And the truth is that one of the reasons I wanted George Pickens as a my guy is because he has a perfect schematic fit for how Dak plays. Dak has not had that outside deep threat that, you know, over the last few years outside of CD that he could let his very good deep ball find a home. And it was perfect for George Pickens. So I want to see them. Your home. I want to see them, you know, run it back again next year in those games when they were playing together. CD was the more targeted player, but George Pickens had the more valuable targets deeper down the field. Both are great. It's yeah. I mean, I know you got a franchise and you're and you're going to figure it out from there. But like the cap situation Cowboys are in the thick of it. Yeah, it's just do whatever the Dodgers do me. Pay Pickens like the Dodgers thing is there's no salary cap. Pay Pickens all his money in like 2050. I literally thought you were wearing a Dodger shirt when we're you're talking about the doctor. No, I know. Of course. Why would you see what I'm saying? The shirt that that is modeled after a Dodger shirt. Yeah, that's fair. I didn't realize that that was my life. So it's like long term teams make things happen. You know, they they find ways. The cap is fake. They find ways to figure it out. But they're going to cost him a lot of money. Difficult. I don't think they can afford a full contract here. If Pickens were to go on the open market, he's getting a monstrous deal. I don't think the Cowboys can afford that. Spote track projected his market value to be four years at 122.4. Yeah, I mean, he'll be what probably a top at least the top five wide receiver of all time just because of how the money moves up. You mentioned Givante's a free agent. Yes. Brandon Aubrey is a free agent. Oh, that's a projected twenty six twenty seven million dollars deal. Hey, Aubrey and David and clown. He's a free agent too for them. But that one's less important. But get rid of the defense. Give me your yeah. That worked out really well. If their defense improves, it will be a question about, you know, it'll be lame, man. CD lamb seven percent. Great games. He did not. That number is that number is insane. He had drop problems. His good game percentage was the same as Pickens. But how do you think the psychology of fancy players will react to this season and then going into the draft season where CD lamb will be rounds ahead of George Pickens. And yet Pickens has this, you know, this is not a small sample. This wasn't all when CD lamb was gone. This was 17 weeks. Well, I mean, what do you think by rounds? Where do you project? I mean, I imagine that CD lamb is still pushing the second round, right? I think yeah, maybe the first or second. But I don't think first. I think George will be, George will be a third round pick. Yeah. In my estimation. Let's call it middle of the second and middle of the third. Sure. Which I think that's a fair place to start him. And I think that both of them, that's fine. The, if the fantasy community wants to drop CD lamb into the second round, I will draft him everywhere. I'm still fully confident. Look at the year started. Wide receiver nine on the road against Philadelphia, wide receiver 11 against the Giants. And then he got hurt and like misses three. I don't think they want to push him there, but you are not going to draft CD lamb. I don't think you will see him drafted ahead of the, ahead of Amun Ra, Puka, Jassin and Chase. Those are correct. Yeah. Those are not happening. That's fair. Beyond that. I mean, sure. I mean, the truth is, if you look at his game log last year, he was basically on pace for a hundred receptions of 1500 yards. Awesome. Awesome. And three and three touchdowns. Oh, right. So, I mean, the issue this last year for him in the, the no bottom booms is he wasn't getting the touchdowns this year. That's not the sticky stat. I'm going to look at the targets, the yards and then project that he gets a percentage of the touchdowns, which is more in line with his career average, which will put him pretty high. So, his, his like yardage numbers, that was his projection without that injured games. Correct. Still at the 1300 Kyle's given us some early for the absolute degenerates out there playing best ball already. I believe you are including week 18 and week three where he the game he got. You took that one out. Yeah. Gotcha. So best ball ADP, it's already going everybody. Oh yeah. You know, it going at the seventh pick. So the, at least the, the early adopters are not penalizing CD lamb and George Pickens is going like about the, just a little bit later in the second round. Well, I still 26 totally in his prime. All right. We'll take a break. We'll talk about some other names that surprised to find themselves in the top 12. Oh baby. Yeah. Yeah, baby. We're so back. Well, okay. Chris Olave comes in at number six. Consistency rank of eight. If you look at the first half of the year, this was not, that was not the time period in which Chris Olave, you saw this coming. We call those the rattler years. 21st in consistency in the first half. Number two in the second half. He got shook tonight. Oh yeah, he did. I mean, he was really, really great. I mean, you did not have like the names beyond these top five. They're kind of wild. Um, you had the disappearing act. Like we can talk about them because they're not going to be on the show, but like Jefferson is in part of this conversation today. Malik neighbors expected him in this conversation. He's not there. Ryan Thomas, Jr. Thought he might be in this conversation. He's not there. He's not there. Neagle Collins. We'll talk about him. Chris Olave. But it's Chris Olave. Yeah, Tyree Kale's done. Right. Chris Olave in the Tyler Shuck games. Okay. So Tyler Shucks started starting in week nine. And then from that point on, from week nine through the rest of the season, Puka Nakua had 19.9 points per game. JSN had 17 points per game. And then Chris Olave was right behind him at 15.8. I guess technically in one game played, Tori Horton is in there at 18 points, but obviously does not count. How are you feeling, Jason? So you made a legendary footballers move in our Diesty League. Jordan Addison off of his hot rookie year and two firsts. Chris Olave. And last year felt pretty bad about it. Right now I'm feeling pretty good about it. You know, the truth is the big issue with Chris Olave and it will be there forever is the concussion risk. He came out and talked about the fact that this off season he did consider walking away. He had the conversations of should he stop playing football. I love that. I love that he's concerned about it, that he made it through the entire season without having a problem and that he has a quarterback now. Part of the problem and concussions of wide receivers, if you go back and you look at the Chris Olave concussions, I feel like several of them were basically murder balls. Derek Carr throwing up these balls that Chris Olave is going to try to go get. If I'm confident that a quarterback here can protect Chris Olave and that Chris Olave is concerned with protecting himself, there's never been a doubt in my mind of talent. No. No, we've always believed in the talent. It was a quarterback situation and injuries and now you're dealing with the blood clot, right? At the end of the year, right after he's like, I'm finally going to play the entire season. He goes out with, I think it was a blood clot. Yes, in his lung. And so, you know, next year it'll be interesting. I don't think he's drafted anywhere near wide receiver six. No. But there'll be other players back. I'm not taking Olave over neighbors coming back from injury. No. I'm not taking him ahead of Jefferson. I'm not those guys. I wonder how much people react to this. I think they'll be very aware, acutely aware and try to steal him. Kyle, give me. And everyone will try to steal him and he'll go higher than we can. Give me his underdog ADP. Oh, yeah. He's going 26 overall. Oh. 26 overall. Okay. Top of the third. That's expensive. That's probably where he's... It's probably fair. Yeah. I don't know. Well, maybe fourth, early fourth in redraft. All things considered. He had never had a game over 20 fantasy points in his career before this year. That is impressive. So it was special, played much better against worse defenses and was also good with Tyler Shucks. So there's a hope and a future there in New Orleans. Zay. Rookie of the year is that stuff. So the finalists were announced for AP. Yeah. For AP. But like when's the big reveal? I don't know the day. The... Is it the honors week? Is it this weekend maybe? Maybe. If only we could find out. If only we knew from every other year and could remember. February 5th, 2026 ahead of Super Bowl. So it will be NFL honors that night. So I believe... So a week from today. Tetero McMillan is a finalist. Yeah, it seems like... Tyler Shuck and Jackson Dart. It seems like Rookie of the Year is Tyler Shuck or Tetero McMillan. I believe the pro football writers of America already did theirs. They named Tetero McMillan their Rookie of the Year. And that was on January 20th. Zay Flowers comes in at number seven. Yeah, he does. I mean, this is where truth is... Yeah. I mean, the truth is... It's revealed. The truth is Zay Flowers is not remotely the number seven. No. He played all of the weeks. He did at the end. His consistency rank was 16. It was 30th in the first half of the season. I'm looking at the game log. I would have smiled five times. You would have smiled a lot at the end. Yeah, I wouldn't have been there. I mean, you're there because you didn't have them in the beginning. You traded for them halfway through the year. That's a good time to do it. Right. But you might not have been where you were if you had them in the first half of the year. And I'm not... I do love Zay Flowers. I think he is an excellent player. But I'm not doing a full cover and apology for how Zay Flowers got to where he was. I mean, he did have... He was 86 for 1200. So that's... I mean, that's pretty solid. And then the questions are... I mean, like Lamar. Lamar missed a good chunk of time. Lamar Jackson came back and was quite bad at the end. He was bad at the game of football. And then Zay kind of overcame that at the end. So I just... I wonder how you factor in those variables. Because I think they're very real and very fair. But it's just how much do you... Like if you were to ignore weeks five through eight when Lamar missed, you mean? You can't really ignore Lamar playing poorly because that was just his quarterback. I can get you the number if we take those games out. But in those games... No, I'm not necessarily looking for the numbers. Just the overall, like, the vibe, the feel. I mean, I think we're... We are years into Zay Flowers knowing that Zay Flowers, despite finishing as a wide receiver one, he's a wide receiver two for fantasy. He's not bad. He's a very good player on the field. But they don't consolidate enough targets to him. Put it this way. It's not a takeover guy. Last year, he had 116 targets. That's not enough to be great on a regular basis. This year, he had 118. Almost the same. When you look at wide receiver ones, they're usually up at 130, 140 targets, or, you know, all the way up to... I mean, look at the consistency numbers. This is what the truth is about. 29% good games from the number seven wide receiver. 29% is the lowest of any wide receiver finishing in our top 14 in the history of the true series since 2017. If I'm getting 29% of the games where I'm happy, the huge problem. 12.1 points per game is the lowest ever for a wide receiver finish. Wide receiver seven finish. I mean, we had... We opened the section with wide receiver scoring was down. Yeah. Touchdowns were way down for the position. So looking at the last five years, the wide receiver seven on average was about 14 points per game, which is... More like a couple points a game at this level that'll move stuff. So it just down year, Z-Flowers right place, right time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's no disrespect to flowers. He is what he is. And he's always been a very valuable receiver from time to time that makes huge plays. I don't think you ever really go into the game thinking like defensively, oh my gosh, like this, we got to stop Z-Flowers today. That's all my point was. Like I don't think he... He's not one of the guys that we would ever say is a top five finisher. Who will be drafted higher next year? Z-Flowers or Mecca Ebuca? Flowers. Depends on the offseason. Yeah, I mean... If Evans, Godwin, McMillan are all back, then it'll be flowers. It'll be flowers. Yeah, I mean... I mean if you could turn Ebuca's first half and Z-Flowers second half into one player, it would have been really strong. It would have been like Chris Olave. Davante Adams comes in at eight with a consistency rank of seven. He dropped off in the second half, he got hurt. His touchdowns were out of control. He was basically a goal line running back. He led the NFL in touchdowns despite missing three games. Like he was that far ahead of everybody. He caught 60 passes. Is that correct? Yes, that is correct. So 14 of his 60 receptions were for a touchdown. His 17 game pace would be 17 touchdowns on only 72 receptions. That is... Must be weird for Cooper Cup to be like having that game against his former team and then like... Now you're going to the Super Bowl and they're not. Cooper Cup feels 12 feet tall. Yeah, right now, guys. That had to feel so good. You know him and Stafford were best buds, man. Yeah, and Puka. I watched all the... It doesn't matter. My best buds can burn all the post game, the immediate, you know, pads are still on, going over and finding Cooper Cup, sharing love, saying go get that title. They, you know, they love each other. Do you feel like the difference of Adams and Cup was that significant? Yes. I don't... I think it was significant for Matthew Stafford and for the ability to throw passing touchdowns. I think if... I think if it was Cooper Cup instead of Devante Adams, the Rams probably would just score more touchdowns on the ground. So I don't think it was... Like the net result for the Rams wouldn't have been much different? I don't personally believe it would have been that. The MVP story wouldn't have been there. Correct, correct. That's what I'm saying. Like this was really good for Stafford in his accumulation of touchdowns. I got to give you the last two names here. I know we're getting towards the end of the show, but... Like the last two years was 24 passing touchdowns in 20 and you jumped to 46. Yeah, no, like that's Devante Adams. I wonder what the total team touchdowns were from the last few years. Kyle, look that up. Yeah, that's a good question. The offensive touchdowns from the Rams the last three years. They were number one in scoring, so it was definitely a special year. Nico Collins comes in at nine with a consistency of 11. I feel like Nico is the... It's like Batman hiding in the shadows here. We all know Nico has the ability to be that top five. Like none of us is taking Zay flowers over Nico Collins. No. It's just it was very... You know, he got hurt, right? Week seven, I believe. He was 7% great games. That's down three straight years now. 27%, 18%, 7%. And then the good games, 53%. I'd much rather have Nico Collins and Zay flowers as the linchpin of my fantasy team. Yeah, I agree. He'll definitely go ahead of him next year in the draft, but... Yeah, he was... He could have used some more help in this offense. Like from his quarterback? Yeah, he needs help from Straub. From his quarterback and just, I think, having not just two rookies running around. Yeah, he was on pace for 1,600 yards and 107 receptions in the games without Straub. Oh, and the Davis Mills games? Yeah, the Davis Mills games. What was he on pace for? Whatever I just said. I'll go back to it. I'll go listen to the show. Yeah, it was three games. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the lack of a running game hurt this offense. I know Woody Marks eventually established himself, but like having a play-action game, no Joe Mixon for the beginning of the year. You were running Nick Chubb a bunch. You were running Damian Pierce a bunch. Nico Collins needs some time to run around down the field. Offensive line in the running game are really going to impact what you get from him. He's probably one of those sneakier guys next year. I hope so. I just don't believe that people will be sneaked out. I think he's going to be drafted super high. You do? Yeah. AJ Brown or Nico? It'll be Nico over AJ Brown. Jefferson or Nico? That one, Jefferson is the most interesting name to me. Where Jefferson goes next year, I mean, obviously we've got to find out who their quarterback is, but like, let's just say they're running it back with nine, you know, and they just got to go into year two and say he's going to take that, you know, that leap forward. I will not be drafting Justin Jefferson in the first round. He was so far removed from anything relevant this year in fantasy that, but he will go probably in the first round, no matter who his quarterback is, because he's Justin Jefferson. I would take Nico over him. Assuming it's McCarthy. Guys, number 10 is another line. What? It's another Lions wide receiver. What? It's the second. Isaac Tesla. It's the second my guy to make the top 10. Whoa. Was that supposed to be Tesla? Cause I'm now very scared for those at home. The lights all turned off and we were electrocuted. That was fun. Jameson Williams. Another my guy. You want to hear a disparity of a first half, second half. By the way, they no longer have the office of coordinator. I mean, that was a one year trial without Ben Johnson. Now they brought in a new one. Jameson Williams, still just 24 years old. Consistency of 15. Consistency in the first half was loose stool. 38. Very liquid consistency. Zay flowers was 30. Not regular. Jameson Williams was 38. He was basically nothing before the buy and after the buy, he was everything. Number seven in consistency. The thing that better than Amun Ra. The thing that stinks part of the year is that you played where he was drafted. You played him at the beginning of the year. He was in your lineup over and over and over crushing you. And then once he got hot, it naturally took scooped him up off of waivers. But it's super happy. Still took many weeks before he went in your line. You're like, I don't trust it. Now he did it the entire second half. So he became trustworthy. Except for week 12. Sure. That was a zero points. Second half consistency 17 for Amun Ra 7 for Jameson. Yeah. I mean, when the port went down and they switched the offensive play calling and Dan Campbell took over, there was a clear shift in how this offense operated. And I don't know if that means that these are bright days for Jameson Williams going forward next year. But that could very well be the case. He is so very much my Ken Walker. Because it's not about like Mike's argument for Ken Walker is if you give him more work, you'll get more Ken Walker. Yeah. The argument for Jameson is you give him more targets. I mean, you just brought up. He turns out that he is good. He's good. So like you just brought up the play calling change before they changed away from Morton. He was four and a half targets a game. So that turned into 44 yards after it was seven targets a game with with Campbell. And it was 85 yards a game. So, you know, it's if you target somebody more, they will score more fantasy points unless it's a Mecca Abuka. And he'll just score less. But there you go. There's your top 10. And we have a lot of other names to talk about. We do have a very brief, abridged fantasy face off. Well, we don't have we don't football games. Do you guys know this? We're not we're not putting any prize picks down on the Pro Bowl like football. I mean, no should do or projections coming your way. But we are going to reveal the should do or jab and then the bill Bell. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the bill Bell is cross was like does anything matter anymore? Right. Football. Yeah. I think we're going to reveal our three projections for our player pack for the Super Bowl before next week we'll put full lineups together. But I actually went Cooper Cup more than 31 and a half receiving yards. Do you guys find that to be odd or weird? He's been more involved in the playoffs five for 60 against the 49ers four for 36 last week. I think about Christian Gonzalez and the Patriots and I started thinking about Cooper cup. No, I think Christian Gonzalez the Patriots trying to take out the number one weapon and the need for Gonzalez guarding Ken Walker. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Super Bowl MVP coming up. I doubt it. For Sam Darnold. How awesome would it be? I mean that would complete that. That would be the year of Mike full year. Yes. I got to go. I got to go. I mean look into some things. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So what's your what's your projection. I actually really really like mine. Well, that's good. It's yours. So yeah. I'm a beautiful person. Who did you hear the news that Drake may should play in the Super Bowl? I did hear that news. I also heard the news from variable saying no one is no one was injured in the playoffs or whatever. Everyone's I know it was like everyone's fighting through things. We'll tell you what we have to tell you when it's required of us. It was but Jared said I'm will be starting for the New England Patriots. But Drake may shoulder is injured. Like he is playing through a shoulder injury right now. And that's why you know his line is projection at 225 and a half. This is a good defense he's playing in Seattle. Great. Yeah. A great a great a great defense with a bum shoulder. I'm not saying they can't win because I'm taking less than 225 and a half. I mean they just won with 86 passing yards from Drake may but the passing yardage has you know the last two times we've seen him in the playoffs 179 86 now he's got a hurt shoulder against a great defense. They are going to I feel like this game is going to be a coaching a well coached good defense type of game. And so that to me says probably probably fewer passing yards. And I've been watching this one. It has been active and moving. And Ramon Ray Stevenson his projection is now down to 51 and a half rushing yards. It started up at the taking the more. No I am taking the less. This thing has been moving down. So I still am OK with where it is at. That's the one I missed last week. That's why I'm the shame Seahawks. The rush defense is stout number one in yards per carry allowed third in rushing yards per game allowed fifth in EPA per rush. And while Ramon Ray has been the he has been better than Travion Henderson in the playoffs and getting more work. He the EPA on Ramon Ray and Henderson is actually bad. And I think that the matchup against the Seahawks they're going to want to establish it. I just don't think they'll be able to go good or is the Rams offense. I mean Seattle's defense. Oh we got we got the answer by the way. Oh yes yes yes. OK so here is the Rams with Stafford right. The Super Bowl year 51 touchdowns. That's a ton. Nice. Stafford hurt the next year in 2023 44 touchdowns the next year 37 this year 63. OK. Devonte Adams made quite the impact. He'd have a beard. But Devonte Adams did have a beard. But yeah I mean this is I'm taking the less on Ramon Ray but it had if you're going to join me on that one you better find a way because that thing is moving. Yeah. Yeah he was 71 yards on the ground last week but it's no game with Jillian carries. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it'll depend on whether they're 20. This is a pro Travion Henderson. No this is a pro Seahawks defense. Yes it is. And you're not going to be game scripted ahead. He had 25 carries last week. That was fantasy face off. By the way I'm the wheel of shame for next week. I saw I finally let Jason take a break. 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