#4649 Mixed Emotions In Miami

The road to the Super Bowl is long and pointless. I mean, what do you think about it? Ha ha ha ha, football's so great. But now, the two conference champs must survive a harrowing bi-week that no one enjoys. Bi-weeks? Bronco Nagerst, he didn't get no bi-weeks. And now he's dead. Well, maybe they were a good thing. TVTL! There are two types of people in this world. Those who like Neil Diamond and those who don't. My ex-wife loves him. I have a hunch that we'd all be a lot happier discussing this over dinner. What do you say? You guys like Italian? No, no, no. Yes, yes, no. No. Yes. No. Yes. I love Italian. And so do you. Yes. I thought you was in Hawaii. A lot of people think a lot of things about Hawaii. Well, if it makes you feel better, I'd rather be up here with you than down there with those teenage people with their memes and their hashtags and drake, drakes. That's the voice of the youth of America. Well, all right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Monday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. My story is too, get dizzy. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. We are living in the midst of a podcast boom. Coming to you from South Beach in Miami Beach in Miami in South Florida in Florida. The Miami meat tent. Where it is, boy, the rumors are true. It is warm down here. It's like 80 degrees, 82 degrees here in Florida where we are taking a little bit of vacation. Well, not so much of a vacation that we're not doing TVTL because this right here, my friends, this is something that taxes, death and TVTL. Three things you can't get away from both as a listener and a creator of it. So here we are bringing you episode 4,649 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. You know, I got rid of Twitter a couple of years ago because I didn't like the direction it was going, even though Twitter was something that I thought about a lot, that I posted on a lot, that I got a lot of my, I guess you could say enjoyment, self-esteem, dopamine hits from. But I've adjusted and I've moved all of that attention now to TikTok. And now I feel like I might have to walk away from TikTok. Going to be a sit down comedian on Tiki Taki. Don't I get to have anything anymore? I guess I get to have the Seahawks going to the Super Bowl, which is making me feel, of course, very happy today. But then the federal government of the United States is killing its citizens without regard. And that's something that has me feeling extremely upset, as I know all of our listeners are feeling as well. And this is what I am trying to figure out how to hold on this Monday as we do this show. The things about the world that are good, which include, in a sunny place with my girlfriend, and my football team did a good thing. And the things that are bad, which we all know about. And what's the focus of what we do here? I don't know. Maybe this guy knows the answer. He is the longest running cobro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Believe it or not, I'm a complete catch. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. I mean, I guess the irony is when the NFL is the good thing, I mean. Good morning, Luke. Are you? Good morning, Andrew. Have you ever wanted me to say, maybe he knows the answer less in a toss to you? I realize that was so unfair. No, no, no. I felt bad, like. That was me just spiking the hackers act directly into the ground at your feet and going, hey, do something with this, sir. We were joking before the show that you were going to offer me to be the first voice on the show today. Hey kid, it's your big break. You want to get the reins today? I've been thinking, I think you're ready. Hey, you should crack the mic first here on the show. No, I, and the funny thing is I, I, I want, I hesitated before making that joke because I wasn't trying to like get into a conversation about all of the social and all the ills of the NFL either. I wasn't trying to undermine what you were saying, but it was really weird. It was obviously, I think, a very troubling weekend for almost everybody with the sound of my voice. And it was very strange going to the Eagles yesterday to watch the football game. So that's where you watched it? Yeah. So I watched football game. Your brother was there, by the way. We had another pretty good contingent of the fun loving criminals were there along with some other friends. I remember waking up on Sunday for real and just thinking like it's kind of hard to care about football right now. Yeah. And, and not even, I mean, that's just a private thought. I'm not trying to, what was the phrase everybody was using a few years ago when you're trying to make yourself look like you care more than you. Virtue signal. Yeah. I'm not trying to virtue signal. It really was like, God, okay. Like, and, you know, I've been looking forward to this game, obviously. All week. And then the weekend was so dark. What with, as you mentioned, the government executing innocent civilians, murdering people, murdering them and on camera, and then having them, and then lying about it, both sides it and then yeah. And it's like, oh, and it's upsetting. I mean, lying about it, saying that he pulled a gun. Yeah. That was their initial statement and it was provably false. Yeah. And you can just literally see that that is not the case. He was disarmed at the moment of his execution. And also, but then also all the things you hear about, well, he was a domestic terrorist, or just all the absolutely just infuriating, lea hateful things that are going on in the country right now. And you wake up and you're like, oh, hey, football. But then I got to say, you go to the Eagles, you're in, you know, I'm not on Blue Sky. I'm watching the game. And it was true that like, not long into the game, not unlike a lot of drugs, you just you're locked in and the rest of the world sort of was closed out for about three hours and what a game that was. And that was amazing. But you're right. And then and then I think this morning, then you wake up again, feeling a little bit like kind of hung over from everything and not just the the just copious amounts of alcohol that I drank yesterday. Just kidding. We mostly kept it in check. I think nobody nobody literally fell over this time. So that's good. So we're making improvements there. But anyway, yeah, so it's for those of us who are who have no interest in football at all or certainly this very specific Seattle football experience, you might be wondering what the hell we're doing on the show today if we invoke any kind of celebratory attitude. But I mean, also don't know exactly how to navigate this any better than you. Yeah, I feel like because of the this used to be maybe a once every six month conversation we would have to have or maybe, you know, once a year where it was like the events of the world were so upsetting that they were pushing their way into our minds and it felt almost like we were being irresponsible if we didn't talk about it on the show. And yet something about the show that people love. I don't hit me with it this way. I don't think that our listeners are unaware of what's happening in the world. In other words, I don't think that if we if we tend to just talk about our lives and things that are very meaningless like me forgetting to put the garbage out on time or whatever, like I don't think that we're doing that. And that means that our listeners will not be aware of the events in Minnesota. I think our listeners are aware of the events in Minnesota. And some of them will say to us what I like about TBTL is I know where you guys stand on things, but I like having an hour break from the reality of the world. That's what TBTL provides for folks. So that's always in my mind that we are we're like a little calm from the reality of the storm. And that is people appreciate that people need that break. And then on the other hand, I don't ever want it to seem like we're, you know, like we're whistling past the graveyard. We're not we're closing our eyes because I do really feel like at this point, being non political is a political choice. Like I don't know if I've always believed that. But in this moment, I do think that that's really the thing. I think, you know, I think not having an opinion about what's going on there is is a choice in and of itself. And one that I really can't wrap my mind around people feeling that way. And so this used to be something that would come up not all the time. And now because of what's going on with this administration, I feel like we have this conversation like once a week, either off air or on air, which is like, how much should we be talking about the real tragedy of the world versus how much should we be trying to be a place that is a little more fun and light and where people can kind of like just have a moment of respite. In fact, even like this morning, so I'll just give you the timeline. Becca and I flew down here on Saturday and came here to this Airbnb in Miami. And and of course, I sit down on the couch and I think she was like taking a shower or something and I'm just I just immediately go into the most intense doom scroll of all time about what had happened in Minnesota. And I'm just like completely and totally wrecked by it to the point of being really emotional, you know, like having a really kind of an I don't know if I'd call it a breakdown, but I had a pretty hard time with it. Let's just say, as I'm sure so many people did, particularly our friends in Minnesota, especially and and then, you know, yesterday we we we got up here and we had it was a nice day. The weather has been unseasonably warm here, which by the way is strange considering part of America is like completely frozen. And then somehow you could still be in America and it's 80 degrees, which as a metaphor, probably for something right, had a very relaxing day. And the whole day it felt like this tension of like, we're sitting by a pool at the condo that we rented and there are people that are protesting in Minnesota. And like we literally like on Saturday night, Becca and I, because she lived there in the Twin Cities for a good while. And we really asked ourselves, like, are we being a responsible being in Miami right now? Like, is our responsibility to actually go to Twin Cities, just be two more people in those crowds? Like I'm not saying and that I'm really not trying to say that the virtue signal, because we also didn't do it. That's my favorite kind of virtue signaling, the kind that involves no actual change in behavior on my part, but only considering it for about four minutes. But publicly considering it, though, too. Well, now publicly, I mean, the issue was previously it was private consideration, but now I've been able to make it public. If nobody sees your signals, if a virtue falls in the woods, did it get signaled? But virtue falls in the woods and nobody is there to see it. Did it get signaled? But I mean, I'm not trying to say that because we didn't we're here. We're still in South Florida. So but I'm just saying that was literally what that was a not crazy. Can that what us was not outside the room. Possibility on Saturday night was like, what do we do about this and how we're feeling and what's happening in the world and how are we? What do we do to try to be responsible people in this country? Right. And then so the whole day was it was really lovely day and it also was the whole time I felt like I was being kind of an evil person to be enjoying the loveliness of the Seahawk game finally came around. Oh, by the way, remember, we were talking last week about like what how and this is before we knew the further events in Minnesota and how that would kind of cast a shadow. Everything. But last week we were talking about like, where should Becca and I watch the football game here in Miami because, you know, she's not a particular Seahawk or football fan and is we're here. It's kind of a birthday celebration for her and I can get insane when watching the football game. Here's where we landed on. We watched it here in the Airbnb, which ended up being perfect. And because they have a big TV, but I was able to like log in with my YouTube TV. So they don't have a TV here that's connected to like channels. But because I have that stupid streaming service, any big TV that has an internet connection is basically my TV at home. So we were able to get the game. No problems. We have a balcony here. And and so what I could do is pace around and I could go out on the balcony and like scream at the in the direction of the Atlantic Ocean when I was feeling too nervous and then I could come back in. I spent the majority of the game, the second half, anyway, on the balcony, watching it through the windows and then coming in and out. And then and then updating Becca on like why that was a big deal or why I think that we should consider taking away Requel and Helmut and sending him home mid game. So it ended up being because you and I had let's just make him wear one of the leather ones for a little bit. Thank you. Like but you and I had discussed that maybe the best way for for us to watch it would be to go to like some kind of a beach bar or restaurant where the game is on, but it's not a sports bar so that there could be like, you know, Becca could kind of, I don't know, just not be getting the fully immersive 360 experience of Seahawkness if she didn't want to be part of it. This was great, though, because she was very invested in the game. She was obviously very much hoping that I would be happy about the outcome. But she also at times was reading her book, which I found. I don't know how someone can do that with a maniac pacing between the balcony and the interior of the condo constantly. But it was a John Madden book, though, right? It was. It was actually one of his cages. Biography of the version of John Madden that he played. You know that, right? You know, Nick Cage is playing John Madden in a new movie. No, no, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. And Christian Bale is playing Al Davis. What a movie. What a movie. I'm trying to. I mean, I don't know Al Davis's look. He looks nothing like his son. OK, yeah. So he doesn't have that weird haircut. Yeah, OK. Davis has, which is so funny. It's like Al Davis was actually kind of a cool customer. OK, I'm looking at him now. He was the guy who famously said, just win, baby. And he would wear these like gold glasses with like gold glasses chains on them. I mean, he's a terrible human, but he was a kind of he kind of cut an interesting figure. Well, which see and he seems to cut more of a figure that Nicholas Cage would inhabit better. Well, Nick Cage is John Madden. Well, that's that's what I'm saying is why my brain is locking up on this. I feel like I could see Cage being Al Davis better than John Madden. I think I think I don't know if if Nicholas Cage actually gained some weight or they use some prosthetics, but they heavily augmented his look to make him look like John Madden. What I'm really going to be curious about is if he nails the John Madden impression or if they just try to do one of those things where it's like he's not doing a John Madden and like vocal impression. He's just kind of we just at some point have to believe that this guy is John Madden. Oh, and we we have photos of him. Yes, we're this far. We're this far into the project and I'm just learning about it. I think it's done. OK, all right, I'm sorry, everybody. I'm way behind the ball on this. I'm sorry, Luke. But I mean, the good thing is we are covering the important things today. Wow, that's really it. Yeah, OK, I'm seeing. OK, it's more convincing than I thought it was going to be. That's for sure. But the watching it here actually was great. We did. I want to be very careful. I don't want to sound like anyone's policing my behaviors, particularly Becca. She's not. But we agreed that a good thing for me with watching this game, but keeping it fun was we would have some alcohol here, but it would be Mikolo Bultra. So I got a six pack of Mikolo Bultra. And what I realized is, you know, the maximum number of Mikolo Bultra's I can drink, Andrew, six, one point two. And I was I was working hard on the point to I just switched over to my diet, Dr. Pepper, by the third quarter, because like one Mikolo Bultra, like if it's a hot day, it's kind of refreshing. It's kind of like, oh, that that hits the spot. That is the most number of Mikolo Bultra. I think any human being will voluntarily consume. Well, hold on. I'm getting I thought it was going to be because you don't drink beer much. And so you found it to be like kind of filling or something. But no, this is I just specifically got bored with it. It's just it's such a bad. It's such a, you know, I'm not a beer snob at all. And I definitely like like a cold Budweiser now and again. But like a Mikolo Bultra, the thing about Mikolo Bultra that it's, you know, it's lower calorie, lower carb. I think it's four point two alcohol. But the idea was like, let's do that and let's not grab a bottle of tequila at the liquor store and have that be the thing like where I'm doing a victory shot every time a good thing happens, because that could, you know, lead to me being in foul temper if they don't win or even in foul temper because a bird landed on the balcony. Who knows? Right. So can you remind me in a moment, by the way, like, can you remind me to come back to tell you about our booze? Yes. A purchase in Vegas. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that I mean, that's that's more or less the end of the story is we watched the Seahawk game. It was really obviously super tense, ultimately very rewarding. Then we went for a walk to find some ice cream in South Beach. And I was, you know, again, the real events of the world are still like in my mind at all times, but they're it's it's undulating. It's like sometimes if I'm not standing in a Rita's water ice, which they've apparently franchised down here to Florida and ordering a custard. If I'm not doing that, it's like what's happening in Minnesota and in this country. It like it grows and it grows and it grows. And it's like it's 50 percent of my brain. And then something else happens. I'm engaged with something. I'm watching the Seahawks or I'm reading. I'm on the LA Times this morning reading articles about how Sam Farmer is saying that Sean McVeigh lost this game for them. And then the part of my brain that is thinking about this country, it gets smaller and smaller and smaller and it goes down to 10 percent. And then I finished that article and then I'm walking towards the other room to put on my running shoes and then it gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Does that make any sense? Like it's just it grows and shrinks based on how much I'm distracting myself with other things. And then we're sitting this morning having coffee and we're both kind of on. I'm on my computer getting TBT already beckons on her phone. And her feed pops onto somebody. One of these kind of citizen journalists on Tick Tock and they're doing the thing that a lot of the citizen journalists that you and I probably see on our feed is doing, which is just pointing out in another new and novel way how messed up this is and they're comparing it to something. And I don't know if it was something about, you know, it being broadcast from her phone or because I was reading the LA Times about how Sean McVeigh messed up the game for the Rams, which gives me great joy. But all of a sudden I hit this moment of like, I don't want to hear anything more about this right now. Like I didn't say that, but like the thought, you know what I mean? Like all of a sudden it was like, I've been ingesting information about Minnesota a lot. I've had moments of it being a bigger and smaller part of my brain. All of a sudden it was like, OK, now I need it to not be part of my brain for the next four minutes. And I guess my point in that is I don't know where each individual listener to TBTL is on this Monday as they hear this. I don't know if they're in the mode where it's a really big part of their brain and they feel seen by us talking about it. Or I don't know if they're in that mode that I was in where they're like, can I just not have this for a moment, please? You know, so I don't know what the answer is. I've done nothing here except point out that Rita's water ice has franchise to South Florida. You and I are similar in some ways in that I also visited the LA Times today to see what Bill Plashke had to say. Oh, I read. Oh, I read. Oh, I read Plashke. Did you see my friend and I did you see? I read his prediction. Yeah. OK. People who don't know and Plashke very lovable, by the way, sport and kind of icon. You probably know him from your LA days. You guys probably booked him sometimes. You know, I don't I don't know. I definitely probably learned of him when I was down there as somebody who was not, you know, super into sports and super into LA culture. But anyway, he wrote in the Seattle Times reran it. Oh, they did. They printed it on January 20th, which would have been about a week ago. Rams are going to win the Super Bowl commentary. And I think the Seattle Times ran that as a bit of a, you know, like, well, locker room material. Yeah, exactly. And so this is Bill Plashke. And then when you click on it, it says Bill Plashke, if the Bears miracle can't beat the Rams, what can? Nothing and nobody. And then it begins. Now do you believe? And finally, do you understand the Los Angeles Rams are going to win the Super Bowl? This I was reading this, you know, six days ago, and then this morning at some point in my bleary mind, I was like, what's Plashke cooking up today after that? After that locker room material. Let me give him credit. Let me give him credit in today's column. He linked to his previous. Oh, did he? I didn't get that far in. I was looking to say he was talking about McVay as well. And I was reading and then at some point I set it back down. But that that is good. Did he did he comment on it or did he just leave? No, he kind of he linked to it, which I give him credit for because he was basically, you know, he was pointing more eyeballs, eyeballs towards how wrong he was. But he also didn't fall on his sword as it were. Like he didn't say, you know, the Rams lost and I was loud wrong. He basically said like, I think he did a clever joke, actually, which was something like, you know, the Sean McVay's decisions, you know, led to a game the Rams should have won and I think should have won was a hyperlink. Yeah, I'm looking at it now. Which is kind of a funny what's what's the hyperlink? What are the letters? What are the words? So it says it all added up to negatively impact a game the Rams could have won, comma, and and then the link is should have won. Now, one other thing I'd like to tell you, kind of a funny way to say I was wrong, like they should have won it. If he's the one who puts the links in the articles, which I'm not 100 percent convinced of either, that could be somebody else. They might just have a funny. I mean, he might. I mean, my guess is some things he probably does say, hey, I want this to be a link here, but I also bet you when they're linking internally to other articles, I'm sure the people who like basically print it are making some decisions too about like, oh, well, we should cross link to this. We've got this other piece that we wrote that sheds more light on it. That would be the funniest thing of all time. If he did not tell the like copy editor or whoever it is, his editor, hey, can we link to this here? And they just threw that in. That would be the funniest trolling of him by the LA Times staff. I would love that so much. Yeah. So anyway, I don't. But yeah, so like so we were both reading, we were both we were both hearing the lamentation of the of the Rams fans this morning. I did as a way to sort of, you know, like, I don't I think the term dissociate gets if that's really in vogue right now, you probably don't get as much sort of people of a certain age on TikTok talking about, I don't know how I would put it, but like the term I oh, I just totally dissociated that comes up a lot. And sometimes it'll be just like I was at Starbucks ordering something and they were like out of it and I dissociated. I'm like, did you? But I do think that I kind of have been like a lot of people cycling in and out of like of how much I feel like. And again, I'm very far away from the issue. I'm not physically in danger. I'm not trying to center myself in the story. I'm just saying in this moment of my life as I'm living it, there are times where I feel like I need to know everything I can know about this. And I need to watch every video angle and I need to know more about this victim. And then there are times where I'm like, I need to see Bill Plashke embarrassed. Mm hmm. Right. Exactly. You know, a man that I generally like, I want to say, by the way, no, he's he's a I think he's a lovable man. That's a hard listen. I give cold take Colkins a lot of grief on this show. Matt Colkins for the Seahawks. But like it's a hard job to have a take to have a sports take. And it's more interesting when you do. So I mean, listen, as a even even on the I like to have takes on the on the hot, you know, our text chain and like I called this a George Halani hero game earlier this week, loud wrong. I'll hyperlink back to that. But like I do give like guys like Plashke credit for going hard with the prediction. There's a 50 50 chance it's going to work. Right. And if it works, you look like you look like you're, you know, you really know what you're talking about. So I actually in his case, in his case, he was going hard with a one in 20, you know, well, it was a he had a quarter of a chance. How is the how do I say that? Because at that point, he wrote that there were still four teams vying for it. And he was saying well, they would win. Yeah, I guess you're right. Because I yeah, you're right. I meant 50 50 chance for the Seahawks, but you're right. He's also talking about the Super Bowl. So he's 25 somehow that prediction is getting compounded in a way. I can't do the math on 25 percent chance. I don't know. It was it was a bigger. You're right. It was a bigger swing than I was even giving him credit for. But anyway, I wanted to. So yes. So basically, that's where you and I are today. We don't have the answer. We don't have the answers. We don't have the capacity to to maybe balance these things as gracefully as we would like to. But again, maybe this is literally the definition of virtue signaling. It is important for me that the listeners know that we aren't, as you say, whistling past the graveyard or ignoring everything or being, you know, purposefully myopic either in our lives or on this show. I think we do have to, you know, discuss it when it comes up naturally. I also think and this goes for like kind of everything we talk about. I know that like people like to complain about, you know, if we talk about sports too much for their particular taste or or politics, although we rarely I don't. I don't think we get people saying too much like a layoff of politics. If anything, maybe we get encouraged to talk about it more. But whatever it is, I really do think the important thing of this show to the degree that, you know, anything is important that you and I are doing here, Luke, is that it does sort of flow from where you and I are as individuals and as a team on any given day. And that is kind of the, you know, it's it literally has to be organic in that way. And, you know, maybe this is me sub tweeting some people who will sometimes say like, well, why didn't you give us a warning that you're going to talk about the Seahawks that much? It's like, well, because we didn't go into it thinking we're going to talk about the Seahawks were confused with two guys that have a plan and can stick to it. Right, exactly. And if it's not the Seahawks, it's something else, you know, and I'll often encourage people to say, hey, listen, like there are podcasts that I absolutely love that I am addicted to that I listen to like on the reg even there or some now that I listen to twice because they because I want to maybe stare away from the direct harshness of the news for a while. But not everything on every podcast is for everybody. And you can fast forward through a thing or two. But the point is, though, you know, if you and I feel like we're constantly walking around this sort of landmines of content, because, well, have we gone too far on this or this or is this the right place in the show to bring up this whim that has occurred to me? I really do think you're going to end up losing whatever makes the show palatable. And it's not possible to do this five days a week, 52 weeks a year. If we're asking if we're trying to not ever say the wrong thing at the wrong time or leave out the wrong topic at the wrong time, we you're exactly right. The only way this thing is sustainable for us anyway, with our current staff of three is we got to do our best. We've got to basically reflect where we are in any particular moment of time, including how we feel about the Seahawks and Rita's water ice and how we feel about Minnesota, and just kind of do our best and hope that people take it as a good faith effort, you know, because we're just not going to ever nail it perfectly. Yes. Now, having said that, I kind of want to talk to you a little bit about my mindset during this game. Do you want to hold on to that for a little bit later? Well, here's the first thing I want to hear about what happened with you and alcohol in Las Vegas. Not a not a. This isn't a. Then I want to thank the donors. Can I lay this out? I've got a plan. I just I just said we're two guys with a plan that we stick to. Right. Exactly. That's what we're known for. I want to hear about your Las Vegas alcohol situation. Then maybe we thank the donors. We knock out a quick top story and then and then fully will probably be in the badlands by then. And then we could just really talk about your watching experience and anything else that we want to say about this football team, which I'm, as you would imagine, pretty friggin hyped about. Yeah. Well, the Vegas story is saying I want to hear your Vegas alcohol story definitely sets it up for more dazzling details than what I'm going to be offering here. This is not about this is not a super exciting story about craziness. It's more about budgetary concerns. I told you that when we were in Vegas, Genevieve adopted Genevieve, who is very cost conscious of things. I really don't think she's a cheap person, but definitely. And as somebody, I always have to say this, if I can at this moment of the conversation, which is that Genevieve is very cost conscious, but very generous in my experience. And I think you are, I wouldn't I don't know if I describe you as cost conscious. I would describe you as a person with a pretty like light footprint. Like I don't think you need to buy new flashy expensive things for your own self or your own enjoyment. You'll make, you know, an audio board work for years after it's shelf life. And yet you're very generous also to people and to causes and things you care about. So like, I do think you and Genevieve live like really well within your means, but you're also like, just you guys are great to be out with and around with. And so you guys have somehow kind of nailed it. I'm a fan. Okay, great. Well, you are picking up dinner next time. We all go to the. 100%. Okay. I so but I do think that maybe living with Genevieve and I appreciate this. I think that maybe I do wonder what I take the bus as much as I take the bus if I didn't live with Genevieve for 25 years. I guess we haven't lived together for 25 years, but you see what I'm saying. Like Genevieve was gone this weekend. Boy, I really am turning this into a stem winder. And I Genevieve was gone this weekend, for example, and I wanted to go have a nice meal down at 13 coins, Luke. And by the way, it was I'm just going to turn this into like four stories and on top of each other. But sometimes when Genevieve is gone for the weekend, I get excited. I'm like, Oh, Andy times, which never makes sense because Genevieve doesn't stop me from doing any of the things I want to do during Andy times. But sometimes you're just like, Oh, I have the house to myself. I don't have to consider anybody else's schedule or feelings or anything I can do what I want. But then I always somehow blow it. Either I fall asleep too early or I just feel like I didn't take advantage of the time right or things just didn't work out well. Well, Friday after you and I recorded the show and I did kind of a minimal approach to newsletter writing, I really and I hadn't eaten all day and I had this idea in my head. I'm like, I want to go somewhere. I'm still sort of chasing that sort of cozy bar feel. I had about maybe tried Vons. Yes, I did live Vons, but they were really, really crowded the last time I went to Vons and it wasn't quite as cozy as I wanted. And I always thought like, Well, 13 coins is a little bit of a longer ride. And this is a restaurant and bar that used to be down at the bottom of Denny Hill in Seattle and used to be open 24 hours. And you and I clock sometime there with some listeners and friends of the show before, but it's moved now. It's down kind of where the stadiums are. It takes me about, it would be about a 45 minute bus ride down there or something. And I just thought, you know, it's not, it's like, it's a nice place. They have nice food. It's well appointed. And I knew that they had this area that I describe it as a bar, but I guess they called the chef viewing area where you can like sit in those big captain's chairs, really tall, swivel captain's chairs, basically at a bar only. It's not a bar. You're watching them cook there. But there's like, I don't know. You've been there like 15 of those chairs or something. And when you sit in them, they're like, the back of the chair is so tall that it goes above your head and curves around you a little bit. So it really gives you a sense of like, you can socialize in those chairs, or it can give you a sense of being in a little cocoon. And I knew that I was very near the end of this book I was reading that I've really been loving and been sort of milking a little bit because I didn't want to leave the world. And so I'm like, you know, it is time to finish this book on Friday. I'm going to take the bus all the way down. It was a cold night. It was actually, you know, evening early evening. But I'm like, I'm going to take the bus. Do I really want to do this? Yes, go down there. But the whole time I'm like, you have this idea in your head of going to this place and having a French onion soup. I don't even know if it's on the menu. But you have this idea of going having a French onion soup and an IPA and sitting in one of those chairs. And you just need to really prepare yourself for this not being everything that you want it to be right now. Because when you get you Andrew, when you get so fixated on this cozy moment, it tends to not materialize. And then I have trouble like sort of rolling with it because I was so focused on it. Friday was perfect. It was so good on the bus ride on the way there, you know, I read books on my phone. I'm like, I know that I'm going to finish this book I'm enjoying within probably 10 or 15 minutes of sitting down. So what's my next big book? It's really hard sometimes when you're finishing one book and not wanting to leave that world. What is the next vine that you're going to grab onto? Will it pale in comparison? Will it do you want to, you know what I mean? Is it will it match the vibe or whatever? So I ended up kind of spending my entire bus ride choosing which Cormac McCarthy book to read when I got done. Oh, sure. Yeah, that's a pension book. And so you just want a very, very austere vine that gives you almost no hope. It was definitely, yeah, going for I finished up the pension book in Heron Vise and then went into this very, very different writing styles. Very well, whatever. Anyway, but it was just like my time was used well. And then I got there and like I was a little bit before the dinner crowd is I probably getting there five, 30 or six or something. And so I had my choice of the chairs and it was so cozy and like I've been doing this thing, which I'm sure a lot of people have been doing their whole lives. What I'm trying to do more of, which is like not order everything at once because I'm realizing I'm an age now. Like when I have a moment like that, everything comes out too quickly, you know, like if I order soup and a sandwich or whatever, the soup is going to come out and the sandwich is going to come out immediately, which is nice if you want, if you're in a hurry or you want fast service. But when you're going to a place where you're like, I want to sit here for a while and read and nurse a beer and nurse a soup. I don't know if you can nurse a soup, but I tried and Luke, everything was perfect. Everything I ordered was perfect. I had some you're not a big fan of those sauteed Brussels sprouts. Are you or maybe where these were? I like those. Okay. I feel like they went from zero to 60. Like nobody was eating Brussels sprouts in restaurants and then suddenly they're on every menu and I've certainly had lots and lots of them. So I guess I don't get as jazzed now as I did in the first heady few weeks of Brussels sprouts showing up on the menu everywhere. They did. They just did them perfectly there. Exactly what not exactly what I wanted. I got my onion soup to start with a very friendly waiter. Everything was just absolutely perfect. Okay. Why did I get on this? Well, first of all, that was another moment of escapism that I really truly appreciated and realized not maybe not everybody can do. Also, the price was not bad, by the way. And when I went to check out, I was like, I don't know, 60 bucks or something for a really nice meal and a couple of beers. I was pretty happy with that. But Seattle price. You remove Vons. Yes, exactly. That's right. Yeah. Vons is the place where I ordered like a whiskey and they did that thing where they measured it out super, super carefully and charged twice what like the dive bar down the street would do. I'd like to see them. Didn't you also get meatballs there? It'd be funny if they also measured the meatballs. Yeah. Exactly. They have a like a shot glass, but it's roughly a meatball size and it's got to fit in there. Right. Exactly. Take your luggage on the plane. If the meatball doesn't fit, it's too big. If the meatball doesn't fit, you must quit. Anyway, point is all of this I brought up because I was a very nice night. But what did I do? Well, while I was splurging a little bit, I still took the E line down there and back. My question is if I did not live with Genevieve and she hadn't sort of instilled this sort of bus culture in me, I probably would have just taken a lift back and forth and however much that would be. But so I think I appreciate this is all going back to my to me acknowledging that I appreciate that Genevieve watches the budget and has sort of instilled that in me in a bit that I don't think would come as naturally to me. I think that we've been together a long time and that's one thing that sort of rubbed off. So we're in Vegas. But Genevieve is approaching Vegas as what did she keep saying? I mentioned it on the show when we got back. She kept saying this is a not a free weekend or a don't worry about it weekend or something like that. Like we're not we're just not counting pennies. We're going we're going to splurge where they're you're in Las Vegas. We're on Las Vegas. It's a two day trip. It's a quickie. It's for our 25th anniversary. Like we're just not going to be like taking because we have taken many times on vacation in places that one would describe as paradise. We have taken bone rattling buses across town. I remember hearing about the last time you were somewhere in in the Caribbean or South America or Central America where you guys were you with the bus situation was fairly sketchy. Yeah. Porto Vallarta kind of came close to breaking me as far as getting to the airport on a bus that was dragging these bags around cobblestones trying to figure out in a different language which bus was actually going to get us to the airport on our way out. But all of it to say is when we're in Vegas we're staying at this you know this nice resort or whatever this nice hotel and but then I'm like you know we should get some booze for the room like you know usually if yous and I are going to be on vacation it's almost always more than a two day trip. And so you're always getting like well for maybe a you know maybe a cocktail before we go out to dinner or after dinner or whatever it's so we got we went down and I knew was going to be expensive we go down to the little store that's in the hotel and right away I'm like this is not where you're going to buy the most budget friendly booze but we were sort of they have whatever. I know that exact store that you're talking about because you guys have a Dara. Yeah exactly right across from the little bar down there it's it's tiny. Yeah and they're nice it's a nice little store everything is kind of laid out really conveniently but you know you're paying what they're you're paying so you don't have to walk on that like overpass over to the CVS right you know by the Bubba Gump shrimp company exactly which you know honestly if usually I think Genevieve would have said that or I would have even said it like well let's just give the lay of the land and like there's got to be like a CVS around here or something but we were just like let's just go the easy route and all of this stuff so not long after we'd gotten settled I think we come downstairs we're like oh well maybe we had gone out for a little walk or something we come back I'm like well this little you know this little store down in the lobby is open let's grab it so we grabbed two of those small bottles obviously not full fifth of liquor right two smallish bottles not not the tiny little airport bottles not an airplane bottle but the kind that you could potentially fit in your pocket and in your breast pocket and then go and write the great American novel if it we but but not they're not they're not bigger than that they're not in that shape of the flask or whatever they're a little bit bigger than that but like you know it was like we got a little mini bottle of I want to say makers mark that still looked like a fifth of makers mark only it was like okay you know half the size it still had the the the wax on it and then we got I think you know me it was probably gin or or vodka I can't remember which one like kind of a middle-sized bottle of that as well and a couple of bottles of tonic and they didn't have limes and we're checking out I'm like I know we're gonna be overpaying for this and then the woman says do you want a bag and I was kind of surprised Genevieve said yes and I'm like you know we're gonna be paying $15 or what I didn't even end up looking at an item I received but I'm like asking if we want a bag from this very like checked out woman behind the counter who's like did not want to be there and just gives us like this little tote bag that I don't even know where the tote bag ended up the says oh I see so it was like do you want a bag it's not a plastic bag yeah it's a fabric bag because everything about this place was a little upscaled right so I think right I wasn't really thinking about it and I was sort of like we can we're going right up to the room we don't need a bag we could carry these and but you just like yeah okay and and so whatever it ends up being is like so those two you know those things two bottles of booze this bag and two bottles of tonic I think it was over a hundred dollars or something like that whoa really expensive or maybe knocking on the door of a hundred dollars or something and I was like okay you know whatever we're not gonna worry about it weekend and and then we go upstairs now the thing is I have told you before the expression that I like to lay on John and the vacation like one time when we're in Hawaii and it was our first night there and we go to the liquor store and I'm loading up on liquor and beer and stuff for our like full week in Hawaii and these is like do you really think that we're gonna drink all of this and I said I think you'll be pleasantly appalled which is an expression that lives with us this was the one weekend where we were not pleasantly appalled because we spent so little time in our room Genevieve I think we you know we did finish up whatever the clear you know whether it's gin or tonic I can't remember we made some cocktails we watched like part of a football game in the room before dinner one night and I think we maybe did that a couple of times but then I basically still had this almost full bottle of makers mark that at one point I just ripped the lid off of and took a guzzle sure just because I was like well and Genevieve's like well it's okay I can check my bags for free so I'll just have to check my well put your bottle of booze that I had hardly touched at all in my bag we'll check it for free because you know she's in Alaska you got the credit card and whatever else he's had so I can check it at most exactly well it was more like at least because it was not at most we get there and they're like well you got to pay $40 to check your bag and she's like no I don't know you know me and she's like no I don't like it's always free and she even talked to somebody about it like I don't know they're like we're not sure Genevieve and I are still not sure if she's misremembering it or if they change the policy on her but the next thing you know we didn't try to like try to drain that bottle of alcohol at the hotel which I don't know if we really would have done anyway I mean once you get into a drinking contest it stops being yeah I know it's like what what are we gaining here doing here so I'm not saying that our behavior would have changed but the whole time was like oh well this is fine we'll have a little bottle of makers mark for when we get home but then we're at the airport and now we have this moment of like literally a full not unsealed but a full bottle of whiskey and them saying well you can kind of throw good money after bad if you want to pay $40 to take this thing home that you've already at the cost of the bottle of whiskey to send the whiskey home or toss the whiskey and just take the bag on board yes don't pay the $40 and it's the only time I felt really bad for not being pleasantly appalled as we stay in Genevieve's furious I mean there's not at me I don't think I think she's mad at at most and just so she's got that's a ridiculous situation the whole point of getting those dang credit cards is one of the things you get from that is free checked bags yeah well we didn't so we had to like throw away this whole bottle of liquor that we didn't leave you didn't shotgun it in the airport I did not we threw it I might have considered transferring my anger into pleasantly appalling behavior in the airport and on the flight like honestly depending on what I had going the rest of the day I could I could have seen myself in the situation being like I mean maybe not the whole bottle that could get you really physically ill but just like I don't know if you're considering having a drink on the plane why don't we just do that here sitting like faster and then tattle our way through Harry Reid International Airport yeah that is honestly that didn't say Genevieve doesn't really drink whiskey she wouldn't want I think it was oh it was morning it was morning it was an early flight it was an early flight to there is just like that but it's just a weird feeling to like yeah just take this full bottle out of your bag in the middle of the airport and be like well I guess we're just throwing this away now you know this thing that I already had massively overpaid for and it was a yeah Genevieve was I'm sorry rips shit about that so but the good news is 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it could be a putter putter bar aren't so good as we cover putter balls are covered all of the eventualities the cable guy right or is it that what what is the tape we play of Janine Garofalo talking about oh some kind of that's I believe that's that's that's Mr. show right because stiller is the manager of TJ oh puter to toots yes that's Ben stiller show I want oh that's a Ben stiller show okay got yeah yeah yeah what's going on with those Ben stiller commercials I couldn't hear them during the day I could only see them that's so funny last night when Becca and I were watching the game I kept unmuting it during the commercials and I'm sure she was like wait why are we doing this and my thought was I'm sure this will come up in a conversation with Andrew and we were both trying to figure out who's the other guy with Ben stiller I don't see I I saw the visuals of that but I couldn't hear the commercials which really gets into my plans for this coming Super Bowl by the way I don't know what I'm going to do oh I've got more on that but anyway so all I know is it looks like it was both like a full commercial but a teaser for something that's going to happen during the Super Bowl it's the is it Uber Eats maybe Instacart I want to Instacart they're previewing Instacart is previewing their Super Bowl ads they had one with McConaughey to where he's that's all true to true detective well okay so just really quickly so so McConaughey's been doing those Uber Eats commercials for a while now where it's where he's conspiracy theory minded it was right I remember the first one in the campaign about a year ago is pre Super Bowl it was really really funny and they've maintained it but that's Uber Eats but then you have Instacart I did see that where you had Ben stiller and some well that's really funny then because I bundled them together in my mind I guess because a both of them are like kind of food or grocery delivery and two they both did the same thing which was they showed you a commercial and they said more coming whatever it is February 8th 9th whatever day the Super Bowl is so both of those ads were previews for their Super Bowl ad and I just in my mind thought they must all be working for the same company so I guess we have multiple I guess this is the thing now is maybe you start trying to build some interest in your Super Bowl ad in the weeks before the Super Bowl but by buying other ad time yeah the teasers they've been doing this for a long that's a that's a that's been going on for a while that's why Veeves and I we always end up doing like three shows regarding Super Bowl commercials one about all the teasers which ends up being a long show before the Super Bowl then the Super Bowl reaction show then the listeners get to respond in the in the last one last time our Super Bowl show just the Super Bowl show was four and a half hours long it was an hour longer than the football game as I believe listener max pointed out so we're going to try to be more restrained this year but anyway yeah no I would like you to get it up to five hours to get to be refused I love that I'm not doing it again she's like I'm not doing it again I'm like I will see we'll see but um it looks like Benson Boone is the guy sitting oh that's Benson Boone that's what the internet is telling me and it's well I overview but I let me double check that's interesting okay so Benson Boone he is a musician he's from like Maple Valley he's from the greater Seattle that's a broad interpretation of says from Washington he's very famous now for um he's got this big music career going he does back flips on stage oh he sings that no take these beautiful things or whatever song that plays a lot on places anyway that's Benson Boone how interesting I would not have been able to there by the way that is pretty funny it's like he's the little brother Ben Stilts the older brother it's kind of unclear if they're like a sort of a I don't know if they're supposed to be a Siegfried and Roy minus the sex presumably but like some kind of a brother duo of some form and and you got Ben Stilts kind of roasting Benson Boone but in a pretty funny character way as Ben Stilts is capable and want to do so that one actually looked a lot better to me than the McConaughey one the McConaughey one was like actually felt like they were on fumes he's like suspicious that the uh the 49ers mascot is named sourdough which is a bread oh is it your name sourdough which is a bread is it football is an excuse to sell food man and i'm on yeah and he's like eating a piece of sourdough as you talk I mean it felt like nobody including sourdough wanted to be there for this commercial and who is the mascot it's like a because I remember it's a 49er it's a 49er okay that's right I couldn't quite remember because I remember seeing it with the sound off that campaign started strong because like his whole thing is like football is here to sell food man and you're sitting on the couch with I want to say maybe macafery but this goes back this goes back like a over a year ago now and it was actually started off really good but I could see and then remember they started putting in another actor in those uber eats commercials the guy from the hangover he's in a bunch of um he's in a board at helms uh no are you joking I know he's in there but um he's in the hangover who's the handsome man from the hangover Bradley Cooper Bradley Cooper and he's trying to be what if I said Zach Alifenakis who I think is underrated handsome by the way very handsome yeah I think so too I still can't believe that one meme is not him that that gif of oh yeah is that Robert Redford who is it that turns around yes it's Robert Redford you have I don't know if we ever got to that that was in the show sheet a while back like a year or like a half a year ago we know I don't think we ever talked about it because you were like a lot of people don't realize this is not Zach Alifenakis I learned in that moment that it was in Zach Alifenakis Andrew the only handsome redhead from yester yore that I'm interested in talking about is Dick Hammer do you know who Dick Hammer is I do I'm just trying to place it also I thought you were tying it into our final donor of the day and I was like how do you know she has I was this is one of Aaron McNamara's favorite dazzling details about Sam Darnold by the way Aaron's in Westmont oh oh oh oh Dick Hammer yeah yeah yeah his dad right the Marlboro man Granddad right uh Granddad the Marlboro man yeah Sam Darnold our quarterback his granddad was one of the four original Marlboro men and his name was Dick Hammer he also played in the Olympics he was on the US men's volleyball team in the olymp in like the 1940s olympics and he also in this I'm not saying this as a joke but it is notable that he was the Marlboro man who died of lung cancer which I remember I didn't know that part I think I think so yeah which is because I remember being a kid and hearing about a Marlboro man had died of lung cancer and that of course being a yeah a stern lesson about what cigarette smoking will do to you but I didn't realize that was Dick Hammer I guess he had a one in four chance I mean considering there was four Marlboro men of the four just like Plashky I yeah I did I did confirm it he did and again I'm not trying to whatever raise that for I'm not trying to dunk but yeah that that stood out to me as well can I ask you a question and I'm going to make things really uncomfortable here we can cut this out if you want but I didn't understand you're going back to this insta insta cart commercial which by the way I'm going to read the description for you in a moment off of the official site just so we can get some clarity on it but you said there's dress like sigphreed and roid without the sex thing what is the second well sigphreed and roi were partners in life they were oh I didn't know that and insta cart thing is a ben stiller's playing the older brother of ben's and boon you know I'm going to say one of the stupidest things I've said on the show which is a statement but for some reason I was like oh yeah sigphreed and roi they're brothers they have different names that would have been my first clue that they're not brothers we're brothers we have different last names I mean it happens but that would be going against the grain there oh I did not know that they were partners they were they were partners or did they I mean I sure hope they were because I have always I mean I don't think they're brothers but I also assume that they were partners both in life and in their performances and I think that was kind of a known thing but I guess I never actually you know I never independently confirmed it the New York Times has not independently confirmed this information yet what is a review say I'm I'm let's see I'm on there it also could have been one of those things let's see okay according to wikipedia uh fishbacher and horn those were their last names were romantically involved though details were never disclosed likely to avoid any negative effect on their careers for biases against homosexuality they live together at jungle palace a moroccan themed eight acre estate in las vegas they called little bavaria although they had separate houses on the property since 1996 in 2007 they came out in the national inquire but they are reverted to their preferred state of privacy so interesting okay seems like it was it's verified here sometimes these are humorous sometimes not I didn't have chance to scan this whole thing but I'm going to read to you the description of this commercial with ben stiller and benzin boon ben stiller and benzin boon sit side by side and matching green 1970s outfits trying to harmonize like musician brothers benzin jumps into a high pitch and the harmony breaks sparking bickering as ben tells him to sing more like a man they try again but benzin drifts right back into the high keys and the harmony falls apart once again tune into super bowl 60 on february 8th 2026 to see the bickering brothers if they can find their rhythm with insta cart okay that's uh that pretty much but the thing that I feel like we saw I don't know if they were singing in that one but ben stiller was doing a funny thing where he was basically saying like to benzin boon like you are grown like an adult but your brain is small like a child or something it was like I actually kind of like thought that like I don't they wrote I'm paraphrasing I don't know if they wrote that for ben or if that was like the umpteenth riff they did but I thought it was actually pretty funny can we take a listen to this because I guess I've seen it I don't know like you said they might have released a couple of these yesterday so not a hundred percent sure this is the same one you saw but this is the one that matches the description I just read say hey is the god let's you choose your bananas get him just how you like you disappear what are you a mouse I don't sing low though it's a harmony I'm harmonizing I don't like it okay I never liked it I am sorry is the guy my I'm a little boy who has a moustache guy singing huh do you like to go again yeah go again say hey is the god oh my god goodness my goodness that's pretty good I like you find the one where they're sitting next to each other sort of like on directors chairs I think they've got like an insta cart bag next yeah that is it they're singing director's chairs insta cart right between them well interesting because they yeah they must have aired they must have done a bunch of them because the one that the one that we were watching yesterday during the game it didn't have them singing it was them maybe before after that moment and again I thought it was pretty funny but I don't know how I would describe it I think this one is exact they're they're both in the same exact set here let's say okay I'm gary I'm john and we are excited to sing for you and this football game hopefully many many girls and uh fun time it is a different football they touch down you just ruin the take now I'm telling you with these just and I'm telling you you're just my little brother my young little brother with big moustache and big muscles but still little boy head still little boy mind I hate you what we call him john and we're gonna perform for you little boy head little boy mind they got me I'm interested in seeing where this goes they got me yeah yeah nice well thank you to our donors we don't have that insta cart money yet we don't have that you face money who are you facing so we need the donors and we couldn't do this without you hello and welcome to top story all right Andrew I'm gonna level with you right now it's Miami I'm looking outside we've got another hour or two of sunlight oh yeah I'm gonna we can talk tiktok tomorrow let's talk seahawks right now um and uh the incredible uh sort of like the highs and the lows of yesterday uh you said you watched at the Eagles was there was something else I think that we were you were gonna talk about related to just the experience of the game for you yeah I was just gonna say that like this is weird coming from me because I started this season so chill bro on football like I'll catch a game here and there I wasn't watching all of the games as doing my other sunday stuff and then um you know I feel a little bandwagony because it got as it got more and more you know kind of interesting with the seahawks just continuing to win and then having the I think they had their best winning record uh franchise history am I right about the 14 wins I think is yes most wins ever it does help that they added a game sure of course yeah still though so anyways as you know I've been getting more and more into it but then it was kind of funny because yesterday I wasn't even sure I wanted to go to the Eagles to be honest with you because I felt like all this week I was not entertaining the Burbankian mindset of optimism I was feeling pretty pessimistic about this game I thought that it was going to be a close game that the seahawks were going to lose and that it was going to be really really heartbreaking which is kind of funny coming from a guy who didn't really care about about football that much supposedly six months ago but knowing that I was going to sort of be really bummed if they lost and even more so I think to the hands of a rival like the Rams I was really starting to get into that like I just do not want to see the Rams celebrating in Seattle you know going to the Super Bowl or whatever and it sort of felt I don't know like whatever I was pretty concerned about my mindset and so I was like I think I'm going to watch this one at home even though I'd been watching the past couple of games with the gang at the Eagles but I knew your brother might be coming to the Eagles and I haven't seen your brother in forever so I was like well if your brother's coming then I'll definitely go and so I checked in with him on Saturday and he said yeah I'm going to be there and I was like all right then then I then I will be there as well but I did send a note to the whole crew just saying like I'm going to see this game with you guys at the Eagles but I'm pretty anxious about it so if I'm like super not communicative at times like please don't take it personally just sort of like setting the groundwork for that and or setting expectations for my behavior a little bit if I turn inward which I did like I realized and I think it took me a little bit of reflection this morning to figure out exactly what was going on with me yesterday but I think what happened was never once during that entire game was I convinced that the Seahawks were going to win and after that taunting penalty I was I felt like it was a fate of complete that they were going to lose I was like well that's the moment it was just and so I spent that happened that happened kind of near the beginning of the third quarter was that happened right after the end of the third quarter I believe over the end of the third quarter okay because it felt like it loomed larger over the game than just one quarter to me but those were just my emotions but I once that happened I was convinced we were going to lose and there was a big chunk of the game where we were still up by I want to say four four and when we were never after we scored that touchdown to end the first half we never had a lead that was less than four which against a lot of teams with the Seahawks defense you're like you don't feel great but you're like even a field goal doesn't tie this you feel like you're in the drivers see it never felt like that yes exactly and so and it was after that and it was after that penalty that just felt so I don't know laden with the fate or I don't know what the word I'm looking for there is but just felt so fateful honestly and I was convinced we're going to lose and then I started getting like pretty sour like just in my own head not saying anything but our friend Katie it was not too long after that that she's like well let's get a big you know group photo of the of all of us here nobody had to get up or anything we're just sitting there but like I didn't I hope I never see that photo because I'm sure I am not looking at the camera and I am not smiling I will tell you that much because I was just kind of like this I can't do a group selfie right now like I just and but again we're up by four points so I'm not saying that Katie was doing anything wrong by doing this but in my head we were going to lose this game and it was going to be a very tough thing for me to watch Puka Nakua celebrating on the field you know like and so I'm just in by the time the game ended I was thinking about it this morning like oh that feeling I had was until literally those last three seconds drained off the clock because their receiver didn't go out of technically down in bounds I don't even think I realized that that was Nakua but I and then we watched it and then everybody just you know screamed in celebration by the end of the game by the way I had left the table we were sitting at and just was pacing in the back of the room which then led to like four other people doing the same thing and then it'd be we all needed to pace I think and not even I don't mean of our crew I mean of other tables and stuff people needed pacing room you know what I mean and so yeah there is a bunch of us kind of in the back of the room your brother I think was one of them too some guy I didn't know we're all just gonna pacing and being nervous because I lived that whole game ready for the pain of the loss even during the large chunks of the game where the Seahawks had the lead and I think that it would at one point somebody did say Andrew you look stressed and it was like somebody who kind of came you know clearly not that big of a football fan but somebody who was like kind of there because this is a fun time to hang out with your football fan friends but I was just kind of like I am stressed I am the one who stresses like I was not I could not pretend to be social and in a good mood because I was ready to just like go crazy when we lose and tie it all to one guy's drawing at the at the opposing team sideline I was in exactly the same sort of mental state I kept trying to remind myself we do have the lead we do seem to be demonstrating the ability to move the ball on offense but it all the game just felt so precarious it felt like almost like we were playing from behind the whole game because we were so in we were having such a hard time stopping Matthew Stafford that it just felt like anytime they got the ball they were likely going to score a touchdown so we had to keep scoring touchdowns to stay ahead of them because it was felt inevitable what they were doing and so because of that a four-point lead which under normal circumstances again with the Seahawks defense should just be like okay we're in a good position here it just felt like at any moment they're going to score a touchdown and suddenly we're going to be behind and now Sam Donald's oblique is going to flare up and now like you know Jared verse is going to sack him and like I was with you I was here was this is a very weird side note to the whole thing but like I was trying to not let my brain go to the fact that if the Rams beat us in two weeks the Super Bowl was going to be the Rams against the Patriots because like I would be that there would be nothing in that game for me to root for you know peace and love to our friends who are Patriots fans and our friends who are Rams fans but there's just like not two teams that I root for if the Eagles got in there against the Rams and I've got if you know hell if the Arizona Cardinals got in there you know like there's a whole bunch of different teams that could be playing each other where I could figure out a rooting interest I can't I can't freaking break out of the escape room okay I don't know the I don't know the code to the get out of the escape room that is Rams Pats for me like just there's nobody in that situation I like so that would have just been extra bummer like two weeks of like hype around the Rams and the Patriots and just sitting on the sidelines and then realizing that like that whole Sunday I'm going to be eating a deviled egg and I'm going to look up and I'm going to have to see you know cut to Mike Vrable who by the way I don't particularly dislike Mike Vrable I kind of no opinion on him but just like cut to Delirious Pats fans or cut to Delirious Rams fans and just like that was going to extra ruin it for me like I can live with the Seahawks not being in the Super Bowl it happens most years but then I've got to figure out okay well what is the thing about this game that I find interesting and I was like struggling to think of what that would be if it was Rams Pats so anyway I but I was also at the same time trying to not allow myself to continue raising the stakes in my own mind of the whole thing because like you I kept waiting for that moment where the bottom dropped out I kept waiting for that moment where there was a 60-yard pass where the free safety falls down and there is a ram just like just sauntering into the end zone and they cut to apoplectic Seahawk fans and we realized that everything has shifted and now the Rams are leading and are in the driver's seat I kept waiting for that moment to happen. Me too me too even that you know what what did they have when they started their final drive which I think ended up being three total players? It was like 29 seconds or maybe even less it might have been 20 seconds. It may be even less yeah it was somewhere between 23 and yet it felt I was like I was so I mean I was standing on the I was standing out on the balcony like look watching through the open sliding glass door because that seemed like way too much time for them like Matthew Stafford who has a gun for an arm even at age whatever he is 37 him from the 50 like if Nakua would have just like gotten a cleat out one second earlier and they they get to actually like throw a Hail Mary from the 50 I don't like our chances on that even though it's a very low probability play like I could I mean here's actually what I said about the Requel in play I wrote on blue sky because again I was just processing my feelings in a million different directions my initial thing was take his helmet kick him off the team right now and for the people that don't know this is a weird thing for me to clarify because if you don't know what I'm talking about you don't care what I'm talking about yeah yeah right yeah there's like me explaining it doesn't matter you either know what I'm talking about or you don't but it's the sky for the Seahawks named Tariq Wollin who was extremely good in his first couple of seasons has had do you know he has the most taunting penalties of anyone in the NFL this year no he has three no other Seahawk has more than one the Seahawks as a team lead the NFL in taunting penalties by the way Requel and had two costly taunting penalties in the beginning of the season to the point where they almost traded him or cut him there was a very real talk that he was not going to be a Seahawk they kept him around he sort of got it together and was getting back to being a reliable good player and then for him to do this he the Seahawks had stopped the Rams on a critical drive and we're about to get a punt and get the ball back Tariq Wollin by the way could have intercepted that ball he sort of didn't then he goes over to the Rams sideline who could does a really good job of playing defense which by the way I've noted him doing yeah in both of the last two games against the Seahawks there were critical plays where the Seahawks could have picked it but Pukinakua turned into a DB so add that to the resume for that guy I mean he's a whatever his politics are he's a pretty phenomenal football player but then this guy Requel and then goes over to the Rams sideline and is jawing with them even though the umpire is like hey man you got to go to the other side and he can't just like turn on his heel and run towards his side and he keeps saying stuff to where a flag is thrown by the way I actually don't think that that kind of unsportsmanlike should impact the previous play if we can just get X's and O's now I know I'm saying that because it almost lost the game for us because they ended up extending the drive for the Rams who have the very next play through a touchdown on the guy that Requel and was guarding so that was that's as about as bad as I've ever seen it happen for a particular player in a high impact game like this a high pressure game but don't you think it's kind of silly there are lots of plays that are dead ball plays that don't affect the outcome of the play for instance if to Requel and would have intercepted that ball right and then he starts running it back and then somebody for the Seahawks does a crack back block on the Rams does an illegal block on the Rams and they're trying to tackle Requel and that doesn't change the interception you just lose whatever it is 15 yards like I think honestly and I would I would be okay with this in both directions even if it impacted us negatively if the play is over the play is dead the whistle has been blown the pass is incomplete to me the the action is done the the Rams it's I guess the question is well how do you enforce that because it's fourth and 12 where do the where does the where does the penalty get walked off I guess other penalties I could not agree with what you're saying more that's why I was confused in the moment that it would be applied to the previous play because there are I mean there are a lot of like if you have a block in the back on a kick return that that penalty is applied to where the ball is going to be placed for the next play right well I guess the problem with my logic is they still have a play on fourth down so in other words if you said that Requel and did something illegal he was taunting the Rams still have the ball it isn't after the punt that's what I was kind of missed I was confusing that in my mind right like so it's fourth down for the Rams yeah Requel and has violated the rules there are yards to be assessed yes how do you assess them you sort of have to I guess what I mean is yeah that's because I believe also I might be wrong about this but if that were a fourth down play I think it could have extended the play and that I think would be a problem it was a third down play so I guess there's no logical way to deal with it otherwise but I think let's just say on fourth down if you do something dumb after a fourth down play is over it should not give a first down to the team that was trying on fourth down it should just be assessed against you because you you know the play was over you stopped them on fourth down and now your offense is going to have to deal with the fallout from whatever you did from a yard standpoint but now I'm just going to confuse things even more though but I because I don't I guess I don't that's usually a 15 yard penalty right so that's why it becomes first down maybe it is applied to the next play but it was fourth down but with that with the panel with the penalty yardage it now becomes an automatic first down that happens on a whole automatic first down doesn't mean that the yardage is achieved automatic first down is a type of penalty so for instance if it's fourth and 15 and there's defensive holding that's a five yard penalty but it's an automatic first down but I'm just asking here but I'd like let's say that you let's say that you have um and maybe this is what you just said but I need to I need to get this clear in my own head this is not for the podcast by the way this is just you and I talking we're not recording we're going to record we're going to because not waiting to go to somebody please just lean on Nixon's delete button for a little bit here because halterman I know that there is something that's an automatic first down but then aren't there also penalties that are just like let's say that that penalty is is this is the shortest yardage penalty a 10 yard penalty are there any five yard there are five yard penalties so let's say that they're even shorter technically there are half the distance of the goal right when you're in there but let's let's let's a weird side category yeah so let's just say that you are in a position you're on offense and you have it's third down and you have you know you three yards to get to get a first down and you don't quite get it on your play but then there's some sort of penalty that awards you five more yards that puts you past that first down line and it's not an automatic first down but by the very nature of getting those yards you have achieved a first down wouldn't that have been the case in this case yes this it was both it was both I missed that so yes because it was 15 yards it would have just the yardage alone would have made it a first down for the Rams it also happens to be the kind of penalty that is itself an automatic first down panel penalty so there's a weird category of that some aren't and some like off like off sides is not an automatic first down so like let's say you're on offense and it's third and 10 and the defense jumps off sides neutral zone that's a five yard penalty replay third down so now they're third and five whereas if on that third down play you hike the ball your receiver is trying to run out like Cooper Cup was and the guy is hanging on him that's defensive holding it's I believe maybe also five yards or it's like illegal contact it's also a five yard penalty but it's automatic first down so you could be like third and 30 and if they called an illegal defensive hold automatic first down even though you're only advancing five yards from the penalty well let me there also are the ones like you said where the yardage itself because you could do this you could be you know I'm trying to think of what the a lot of the defensive ones well of course only defensive ones are going to be in the category potentially of automatic first down but like there are times where something happens and you advance the ball but it doesn't give you the first down because the penalty as they walked as they walked it off wasn't going to be enough to get you past the first down marker I want to come back around to this penalty in a way that might open up the conversation a little bit back into I'd like to close it even more narrowly because I think that I have to maybe apologize to my dad if that's not a good teaser for you so are you listening my dad was clearly watching the game live which is that's an that's an accomplishment anyway I don't think my father has watched a non-time shifted football game in 25 years since since the advent of Tevo but he loves time shifting things but he must have been watching in real time and so he was texting me a couple of things during the during the game and I you know I should be careful I don't think he expects me to read his text on the air but it was it was fine but he um he's a hey looking good out there or whatever you know and the team was doing well and I was like yeah I'm so glad to have the lead but I'm still not breathing easy here and and then out of the blue right after that Rick Woollen thing he just wrote and I hope this is okay to share but he's wrote what an asshole with a bunch of exclamation points but the thing is I didn't have the volume on and it didn't look that bad to me and I was feeling very defensive in the moment as was Genevieve as were probably some other people at the table I don't remember if you I don't want to misquote your brother because he'll listen to this I don't know if he felt like that was a a right call by the officials he did later say in one of the text change I think Hawke's squad that he thought that was a pretty sus call the taunting call was pretty pretty sus so I would say that's an accurate assessment of his his perspective on it and that's definitely how I was feeling but of course I'm a you know I'm rooting for a team so it's all gonna feel you know I can't ignore my bias in this case but I told my dad I'm like my dad was just like wouldn't a hole and I was just like that's a and I just wrote back I'm like that's a terrible call like that that you know like I felt like that was a really bad call because it didn't look that bad on television I don't like taunting calls anyway but I sort of understand it like after a big play when you stand over somebody who you just knock down or intercepted from or something you're you're potentially maybe even straddling him and looking down and saying yes or doing anything there's been a lot of spitting this year or whatever like okay all of that stuff like okay we can talk about taunting and whether or not it's a whether or not those taunting calls should even be called at all but in this case it just looked like a man was jarring with a sideline that was jarring at him it just looked like a lot of jarring and it felt like a bad call to me in the moment but now I think that maybe I was caught up in the moment and I didn't hear the announcers my dad was like oh well the announcers seemed to think it was pretty you know egregious or whatever and I didn't hear what tom brady was saying and so I just kind of moved on and now this morning I'm kind of like oh I'm not seeing a lot of even seahawks fans saying that that was a terrible call was I just in the wrong there well it's funny the difference between watching it at the eagles with a bunch of people and me watching it here with Becca because and I had the sound on so that like and Lord knows I'm not taking any of my marching orders from tom brady about how to feel about stuff but it was like it it didn't seem like a blown call to me as much as turrick woollen having very poor impulse control you know what I mean like but he wasn't being overly demonstrative well first of all there's an emphasis in the nfl you are not allowed to like talk to the other team's sideline like the thing is you can do almost any manner of incredibly ludicrous celebration as long as it is directed at your sideline away from yeah for instance like three plays later or whenever it was that the seahawks got the ball back there was this sack of sam darnelled which was like a totally busted you know blocking scheme from the seahawks I think we lost nine yards on it and the guy after he sacks sam darnelled he steps one step past him and just starts doing some kind of booty dance and Becca was like how is that not taunting and I was like he's not doing it in sam darnelled's direction yes I like the same exact conversation with jenna viva because she's like he's yelling at the sideline and I was like yeah but it's his sideline it's so you don't even mean but it's like this is the insane world of the nfl it's like you can do almost anything as long as it's not we don't perceive that it's going it's directed at your enemy but like what reek woollen did he was just talking I kept thinking just if you left your friggin face mask up like your muff like you know you had a little kind of sleeve over his head because it was kind of cold I was like if you left up they can't even see your mouth moving bro just be undercover be for real for real like say what you want to say to them but just do it low key like do it like john stockton used to foul people as a Utah jazz like do it so the ref can't tell run back towards your sideline take a slightly longer route and with your mask still up so they can't even see your mouth moving just say whatever you want to say and then head over to your sideline like it was just I almost disrespected the technique as much as anything else right from reek but but um there's a pure lack of control I mean that's the thing and from a person who has had a the same lack of control problems this very season that's why to me it also felt like is this like you said is this our fate like there was something kind of Shakespearean about the thing that the guy the guy who had bad impulse control about taunting people and it almost got him kicked off the team and then he got it under control and then here it is in the most important game that he's probably ever played in his life certainly I don't think that's actually been to the Super Bowl since we've had reequal and and it comes back and then it extends the series and then it he gets burned on the touch and it just was like that that felt to me like if it was anybody else if it was like um Jordan Love gets called taunting I'd be like that was the dumbest play I've ever seen it's not part of a pattern it's not Shakespearean to me it's not like it's not the Achilles heel of Jordan Love you know so so that was why I was just like I felt really really distraught by that because it's it felt to me like it was part of a larger I don't know Shakespearean or cinematic plot line to the to the movie that was this football game but um you know I'm just realizing now I'm sorry to interrupt but I I am just realizing that at some point before all of this happened it might have even been right as the game was beginning I said something oh if it was your brother he might be able to back me up but it might have been to Anita but I was saying to somebody I'm like well I'm just kind of glad like we don't have DK here to like because DK another easily triggered dude exactly he had no like kind of self-control and caused a lot of problems for the Seahawks and I know I was talking about him yesterday and I think it was before this penalty kind of saying like oh I'm glad that we're we're gonna play cleaner now because he was always like a liability out there he would do something great but then you would have to you know bring it back another 15 yards or something because he would stand over somebody and draw at them while they laid on the ground totally and in fact with DK Meckaf being a Pittsburgh Steeler and he's had a couple of mean he had a pretty decent season actually but he's also I remember watching a Steelers game or two and seeing him do something that's very DK where he like does that he he does a really good play but then he does something that you know he grabs a guy by his face mask or jersey because he's always sort of jawing with these guys and he gets the flag thrown and it's just like I was I remember thinking it's like seeing your ex doing something wild online and you're like I'm really glad that that's not my reality anymore yes yes so I remember having that feeling about DK and being kind of relieved this year like all we've got is the I mean there's no other way to say it Jesus Christ obsessed Jackson Smith and Jigba like you didn't have the sound up but it was like he had such a great game and I love him so much and I say this with peace and love to our listeners who are people of faith but like we get it that you like Jesus dude like he gets interviewed on the sideline after the game by whoever the national reporter is on Fox and they're like how are you feeling he goes long pause well I just have to give all of my thanks to my lord and savior Jesus Christ okay we're used to this by the way as viewers of sporting events that happens but like okay thank you you've gotten that in now let's move on to the exes nose and he's just like the way that he has just blessed me and made this possible and brought me to Seattle and that I can even have my life and I'm like pastor Smith and jigba calm it down well I want to hear how you ran that curl route that got you open for that touchdown you know they feel like I just I was just like oh and then and then I did find it interesting when Matt Stafford blamed Jesus Christ for the loss though I respect his honesty yeah I respect his honor we were in this game until Jesus betrayed us that's right and then it was like he ends up Jackson Smith and jigba ends up on the on the um the platform you know for the big celebration and I'm like and they bring him over and it's like what's he doing gets on the mic he's thanking his lord and savior Jesus Christ I'm like we heard you the first time it was four minutes ago I know I thought I was gonna get more love from you on my Josh Naylor joke I thought that was pretty solid um oh I'm the uh I'm the uh text chain remind me it was a little bit Josh Naylor on the back of the podium not wearing a victory t-shirt yes yes yes you know there's a really cute photo of him before the game of him wearing oh was he there Jersey I don't know if he was there or rooting for a far or something so I think I was and also by that I think there's just a lot going on and I think things got a little bit maybe a little bit swirly for me later on sure by that point but oh my god when we actually won I'm still a little bit like I just like uh I don't know I like I said I was so geared up for heartbreak yesterday that the wind felt just especially good I feel like I still am not quite like oh yeah like the Super Bowl like this is happening and like this is how negative I was and by the way you know me I don't spread my negativity around I know that like it can be a bummer for you guys on the chain and we talk about our friend who does that a little bit too much so I'm conscientious of that but like I was in such a pessimistic mood that I was and I'm sort of just realizing this now Luke no joke as I was sort of kind of casually following the game that came prior to this which was you know the Patriots Denver game to decide which one of them would go to the Super Bowl beautiful game by that I would I mean right I'm at its highest form well I mean granted the snow didn't help but give me a break talk about a couple of talk about a couple of lousy teams well that's the thing I mean four weeks and weeks now as I've been listening to just random sports radio on satellite the doggies gotcha or gotcha covered or like whatever I'm getting all my information from some of it local a lot of it national though it just sort of seemed like everybody agreed that whoever got out of the NFC is going to win the Super Bowl because the NFC just I agree with so much better than the NFC and then especially when it comes down to these two teams now but I was still sort of rooting for Denver I know that a Seattle Patriots match up there's some there's some like sort of sweet vengeance there potentially or whatever but I also thought that like you know Denver with a totally backup quarterback was just like a little bit more like the Wolfram Little Red Riding Hood licking his chops you know that's gonna like I'll give us Denver but this is where my pessimism comes in I think a big chunk of me was pre-bummed listening and watching to that game thinking I'm so bummed that the Rams are going to be able to just devour this like I think I was like seriously I'd really truly that's your that's your brain trying to emotionally protect you I think maybe maybe I was just like I was because I really well I really did think that like and this might sound bananas like I just did think that and I don't even know fully what this means so don't examine it too closely or ask any follow-up questions but it just sort of felt like the Rams were maybe more of a complete team it just sort of felt like you know like yes that that touch that that touchdown in the first 13 seconds of the last game we played was amazing but you can't bank on that you can't bank on a kick return for a touchdown you know it just sort of felt like you just would feel more comfortable rooting for the Rams given all you know all things being equal they just sort of seem like a you know their offense except one phase and that's what they lost on the phase the phase well there's three phases of the game offense defense and special teams oh special teams yeah and that's you know they fired their special teams coach after the last seahawks game that they lost somebody had mentioned that I don't think I was clocking that I think your brother and then the I think the pivotal play of the game was that muffed well yeah not re if you don't count recoil and that muffed fumble uh or sorry kickoff uh the punt rather that's it was gonna get there that that was that was that that was the only way that we won the game obviously was because of that and then the touchdown to bobo right afterwards and that's that's the only phase of the of the game that we were I think consistently better than the Rams in every game this season was the special teams phase and they that was one of the things that uh I think sam farmer was writing about in the LA times today was just that like that the ram special teams have been terrible all year and it's kind of what lost in the game yeah and I guess you're right and that's you know and then that was also our special teams in san francisco or playing san francisco the week before so I guess I I guess you're right right about that but it just sort of I just was so and I'm just sort of again like kind of processing my feelings says yesterday I was just feeling whatever I was feeling as we already talked about in the show and then getting obsessed with the game but then being just like poised to be angry like I I get conspiratorial minded with their with certain teams like the rams and Kansas City under my homes like it just I I can start to feel like I don't like who I become because I start thinking like it does feel like they really want the rams to win more when you're talking about the officiating or whatever and maybe that's just not fair but I was just like I was so sour until it was all over yeah it was so so stressful but and and I really got to wrap up my portion yeah I I totally authorized you to go on as long as you'd like no no I get you we've also got I don't know if you notice your echo cancellation just kicked back so we got to get out here are you were you able to turn that off from your end I can't because we are recording there but it doesn't matter we're wrapping up now anyway but I think that's the universe telling us like we're done here I will have so much to say in the coming days and weeks about what I think about us and the Super Bowl and stuff I will just say the thing that I was really impressed by with the Seahawks yesterday was their ability to convert these third downs when they needed to and these were not big plays these weren't flashy plays it was like a throw to to Ken Walker the third when we were really after we had stopped them on fourth down and then we were deep in our own territory and it was third and something and they threw this little route to him where he had to catch the ball and then curl back in and beat two guys and he got the first down there the Cooper Cup catch where he hauled it in and then extended to get the first down whether he did or not who knows they called it a first down there were just these little gritty moments where Sam Darnold found someone on like third and eight third and nine those are such hard downs to convert and if any one of those doesn't get converted we're punting and I unfortunately think the Rams are going to come down and score on us so like I you know it's it's easy to think about like these hero you know these 50 yard past to Jackson Smith and Jigba or whatever or even Rick Wollin who I'm still mad at and will forever be mad at but like there were just this couple of like these plays that just no one's going to talk about that I was just like that's the game I kept poor Becca kept being like that might be the game that might be the game like I just kept saying that about like a third and seven completion because it was like if we don't do that we're punting from our own 10 and now this is a totally different football game mm-hmm that's very dersey in the view as well well you know what you tell him what's up doc but that he's okay like that's the game that's the game that's the game I was I got a text message I got I got to say I'm saying in the positive oh I see what you're saying like after it's been converted I'm saying the Seahawks may have just salted this game away by converting that third and eight there I see yeah like so so it's you know not to not to nitpick or to constantly try to be the anti-ders but yeah I am much more inclined to say that might have been the game as in we might have just won that game which only shapes up about half of the time I got some listeners it's always very it's very nice to hear from listeners like first of all this is really funny I hear from so many listeners who will text me because again I get text at the tbtl voicemail line I get the text on my phone and people are always checking in how is der's doing people will like write in to be like how is der's handling all of this or whatever and I got some of those yesterday and I'm going to say this very very gently and I don't want to make the person who sent this feel bad and I honestly don't know who this person is it's somebody who texts in sometimes but I don't have their name saved in the phone so I have no idea who this person is but after that reek woollen penalty somebody texted in to say boy it'd be a shame if that keeps you from going to the super bowl or something like that and they weren't saying that to taunt they were saying that like supposedly in a supportive way right right but I was just kind of like yeah yeah it would like I'm I'm aware of this fact I don't need this right now no offense I know that you meant that in all good spirits and that you're rooting for us but in the moment I'm like yeah that is that's sort of what I'm thinking right now friend I had somebody who I really who I really love who's in I'll just say the far extended version of I guess you could say my family just somebody who I really am a fan of and they texted me right after that play sorry to interrupt your vacay but did you are you watching the game they used the word vacay and if I could have picked this condo up with hook like strength and just tossed it into the Atlantic Ocean I would have I love that you point out the vacay thing because you're right that is me and my hubby are going on vacay those are like two words I just can't I don't abide by I've never really examined that before I showed it to Becca and of course because Becca's a normal person I was like can you believe this and she was like I don't know it's like doesn't seem like that's that's not I mean injurious to you I was like it does hurt me it hurts me bad hey you know what I just saw when we started talking about this and I was just sort of googling around while we're talking I did not see Rick Wolin's apology on X the everything app did you see I saw it I heard it oh I didn't I okay I don't know if he did more than one or maybe does this gif have audio I just see the picture of a little cartoon fox in meme writing that says I'm sorry do you still love me and he just hashtag wrote no more taunting penalties is this what you saw he apologized he said the right things and I believe it I just don't know I mean I believe that he means it he definitely said the right stuff that's I just uh you know I just worry the thing is those taunting penalties are it's the kind of thing that you can plan on not doing uh but then you're three mic ultras in and are who knows now you're in the moment now you're in an emotionally reactive state so I do think I do think his taunting penalties are done for the season I do believe that yeah well he's only got he's gotta get through one more game he's gotta get through four quarters my friend but I do sort of find it so I didn't see the official apology or whatever he said but I do I sort of think just releasing a gift that says without punctuation I'm sorry do you still love me with this big water that's literally from Fox it's Rick Wolin posted that to X at 9 20 p.m. last night so it might have been after he made his official apology but I gotta say it's it's making me laugh and again we won so we can laugh at that but it's kind of like I'm sorry do you still love me is very humanized that is actually funny I will give him credit on that because winning covers a lot of yes you know a lot of it's a it's a pretty big band-aid on things so now that's funny to me yes it is imagine if he posted that we'd lost oh my god would have been like find him yes find him and get him exactly all right uh okay well that I think probably is where we should wrap things up 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