Amanda & West Hard Launch EXPLODES Summer House (Scamanda) | This Week in Bachelor Nation

It's the Game of Roses. Welcome to the Game of Roses. This is the Game of Roses. Welcome to the Game of Roses. Welcome to Game of Roses. This is Pace Case. This is Bachelor Clues who are back languishing in the off season. We thought we'd be in Bachelorette country by now, but... We took a turn. We're lost. We're in Scuddlesville. We're in Scuddlesville. Is that next to Iowa? Maybe. Part of the Midwest. Scuddlesville. Scuddlesville. I mean, so many updates in Scuddlesville. So many cryptic things. We'll get to it in the social media where I'm like, wait, could they air it? Some bizarre comment. Here's what's the deal. They can never air it. And even if they can, why would they? Right. I don't know. But all that said, we'll get to some stuff in news. All that said, this is what's left of Pace Case because there is... Talking about Scuddlesville, will Summerhouse be Scuddlesville also based on what has happened this week that has left me and the Summerhouse Nation reeling? That's our state of the game. Wait, do we have any business? Yes. We're watching Survivor. We're watching Into Attraction. You are. And I guess I'm watching you watch it. You've supposedly not abandoned the virgins. And... Oh, Love Overboard. Right. Yeah. We're watching all of that. And any other shows that are going to be popping up, soon some of them will be. I'm probably going to do... We'll get to it in news. There's a show, another Alex Cooper show coming out on YouTube. We will be discussing that in the news. I'll probably be watching that in the corners. Well, I think it's only four episodes. Well... I'm very sad with what has happened with Love Overboard. We will be discussing the Alex Cooper of it all next week in depth. But let's get into our state of the game. Which I'm very excited because Clues doesn't know anything about Summerhouse. So I'm going to explain everything that has happened with what some are calling the Scandival of Summerhouse, aka Scamanda. Now, how big is Summerhouse in terms of viewership? No idea. I mean, it's been on the air for 10 seasons. What network is it on? It's probably a very low budget show to shoot. It's on Bravo. And they've done a spin-off. They've done Winterhouse, which has been a two-season spin-off. But basically, the premise of Summerhouse is all of these young... Well, they were young at one point. Young 20-somethings who work in New York go and live in a share house in the Hamptons. Or, I don't know what it is, six weekends, eight weekends in Summer. And it's basically shot Big Brother style. They have these huge costume parties all the time. And you basically just watch the relationship of... the relationship dynamics of this friend group play out. And they bring in new characters all the time. There's only three or four people who are in it who have been in it since season one. And some of those are included in this scandal. The show is based around Kyle Cook and Amanda Batchelot. They start off as this kind of friends-with-benefit situation in the pilot of Summerhouse. And I think he dates a few people, and then he goes back to Amanda. They end up having this very rocky relationship that we follow for the entirety of the 10 seasons. They do get married. But he likes to party, and he gets black-out drunk, and we see his antics a lot of the time. There's certain periods where he has made out with someone and doesn't remember, but he has cheated on Amanda. So then we have Sierra Miller joins in season five, and she becomes like the best friend to Amanda. She comes in with another player, but breaks up with him. She starts dating West Wilson in late 2023, who joins in season eight. They get together but have this messy break-up, and that factors into the cast dynamics going forward. This year, we get the season 10 trailer dropping. This includes a quote that Kyle Cook, the center of the show, this blonde man, has fallen asleep at a fan's house. So you're like, okay, is Kyle Cook cheating on Amanda again? This is what we are wondering. With a fan of the show? Yes. By the way, the fan base of Summer House is like, I'm pretty sure mostly white women. And this factors in because Sierra is black. She's the first black player on the show. January 19th of this year, Amanda and Kyle announce their separation via Instagram Stories. After much reflection, we have mutually and amicably decided to part ways as a couple. We share this with a heavy heart and kindly ask for your grace and support while we focus on our personal growth and healing. It feels ironic to ask for privacy during this time, since we've always tried to be open and honest about our relationship. But your kindness and respect will go a long way as we try to navigate our next chapter. They got married in 2021, by the way. So then, early March this year, March 5th, Amanda and West are spotted together in New York City acting flirty, according to Dumois. You might have already heard because word spreading that Amanda Batchel and Wes Wilson are allegedly hooking up. Why is everyone talking? Apparently they're telling people sources say it's casual. And if you follow Sunday spotted, you might have noticed West is seen with different women weekly in New York City. Still at a recent event, they were openly flirty, allegedly even holding hands on the table with Kyle, Amanda's ex-husband, right there. So early to mid-March, online speculation is building through fan chatter and these sightings. Are they at this point single though? Yes, so Amanda has just ended the divorce. West is single. We spend, by the way, this season is still airing. And in this season, West is kind of maybe trying to get back with Sierra. And it's like a will they won't they thing this whole season. But that season has already shot. Yeah, already shot. This in-off in the city also has already shot, which was supposed to follow Kyle and Amanda in their marriage. Right. But that is dissolved. Is it? I don't know. Will they still, I think they'll still air it. They air everything with this one. But I'm saying they can air it obviously, but the reality in our current timeline is that they are not together. Yeah, they're not together. This comes as a shock to no one because we basically watched this rocky relationship the whole time. The shocking part of this though is that Sierra and Amanda are supposedly best friends. Sierra has been navigating this relationship with West on again, off again for years. And this currently airing season, it's a big part of the plotline. Like, are they going to get back together? We have this really weird moment in which Jesse Solomon, this other, this friend of West, asked West if he can make out with Sierra and you're like, that's weird. And that becomes a little mini drama. Nobody's cheating on anybody. It's a friendship cheating. So here's what's happening. But nobody's, nobody's officially... You don't understand. I don't. You're correct. Please. She's supposedly the best friend of this person. Yeah. And she is like supporting Sierra through this breakup this whole time. Sierra talks to the other black cast this season about how essentially she has gotten like all of this feedback that is like around racial relations having to deal with the blowback of her getting clowned by this white guy. Okay. So March 9th, Amanda back to the Deny's dating West on trading secrets. Jason Tardik's podcast. It's not going to happen. I'm not touching any of my cast members. Love them dearly, but I'm good. March 25th, West appears on Watch What Happens Lives gives a non-denial about the rumors. She's single now and I got to show her the streets a little bit. She's a very important person to me, but that's a friend. Hope that clears it up. Okay. March 26th, reports surface that Amanda and Sierra may have had a falling out. This is the friendship. They're no longer liking each other's posts on Instagram. Remove their older likes. Okay. But they also canceled a joint Instagram live for the spawn con, Ollie Vitamins. All right. Then this weekend, all of the summer house cast posted these vague meme images of them looking disgusted, including Lindsay Humbert, the queen of summer house. Okay. Austin Kroll starved Southern charm, but who was also in winter house times in post a picture of pasta and says pasta and fucking your friends. X's are apparently so back to his Instagram stories. He also briefly did Sierra March 31st, 2026, the hard launch. And by the way, I'm taking this information in. I'm so confused and I'm like, is this part of a promo? Like they would never do this. Is this an April Fool's joke? That was a huge theory. They confirmed their relationship via joint Instagram statement. I have to read it entirely. They both posted this. We've seen the growing online and speculation. So while this is still very new, we want to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show. Need a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows and what's developed recently. Who knows about that was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of a genuine long standing friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. As our feelings evolve, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. So confirming it's a connection, a situation. He is still supposedly allegedly banging other people, but they're all single. They're not even in a relationship. Close, you're not getting this. I'm not. You're correct. Amanda is friends with Sierra. That's what all these shows are. That's what all these shows are. Remember Bachelor in Paradise season, whatever, when everybody went to stagecoach that year and had sex with everybody. Those weren't any X's or like best friends betraying each other. Oh, okay. You are. Oh God. Okay, let me just continue. Let's start. Immediate fallout. Sierra and follows both of them. Okay. So, according to TMZ, Sierra Miller uncovered a video of Amanda and Wes before their shocking announcement. Sources close to the situation say the summer house star obtained a video allegedly showing them being intimate in his apartment. Oh, wow. Someone filmed into his apartment that left her upset. We're told neither Amanda or Wes knew they were being recorded. Amanda then loses brand deals. This fashion weed brand, Edie Parker, within hours of this announcement scrapped their collaboration. Their posts said a lot can change in a day. Side-eye emoji, huffing emoji, same shirt, same great charity, new model, support at last prisoner project. Sales from each boobs on drugs, T goes directly to them. Okay. How is Sierra handling this? She posts, she reposts something that says believe in the dolls, support the dolls, uplift the dolls. So she is supporting Trans Visibility Day, even though all the attention is on her. Our season 10 reunion hasn't even shot yet. It is supposed to film in late April. Okay. How is this going to affect summer house in the city? Sierra reposts a post that says how anti, this won't, this creator discussing how anti-blackness shows up and who gets chosen or deemed long-term material. She was literally just talking about the racial dynamics of dating in the house and West co-host a podcast with his MAGA BFF Sophie Cunningham. Wait, he's MAGA? No, his podcast co-host. But he's not. He's been posting anti-eye stuff. What the hell? I know. What the hell he indeed. Essentially, this is like, I know no one is technically cheating, but were they? Because now everyone is combing back through the footage and they are extremely close this season, touching each other. West keeps like sticking up for Amanda to Kyle. So there is all these different theories going around like, were Kyle and Amanda actually secretly separated and just lied on camera? How long have West and Amanda been hooking up? Was she cheating on Kyle? But I do think that for most of the viewership, the biggest betrayal, they're not surprised by West because he's like, you know, kind of a fuck-boy character. But for Amanda to have done this to Sierra is like one of the biggest victim, the biggest victimization at it we've ever seen in the show. And there's a lot of people calling for Sierra to get all the brand deals to get Bachelorette. I think she would make a great Bachelorette. We discussed her before all this happened in our two women. And the storyline leads so well into this. I've seen some people being like, she shouldn't be Bachelorette. Don't make her date all those influencers, whatever. It's like, this isn't for her to find love. This is to launch her career. And now there's a direct pipeline from Summerhouse into Bachelor with Scott Teddy, who runs the entire Bachelor franchise. He used to run Summerhouse, so I'm sure he knows all these players. I'm sure he's show run them for, I don't know how long he was on Summerhouse, but a long time, multiple years. There's all of these crossovers. It's, I'm so curious as to how Summerhouse is going to continue. It's been tough because some of the people are in their 40s now. And then they bring in these like young 20s people. Lindsay recently had a kid, so she's only been popping in once in a while, but she's still a professional and she keeps stirring up drama each time she comes in. Amazing. Yeah, I'm very curious how this is going to affect the spin off. And the show at large. It feels very much in the vibe of Scandville. I know what you're saying. It's not like technical cheating or whatever, but it is like a friend betrayal. I get it. It is a huge storyline. It is a huge like drama and they're not shooting right now. They should be. But just like a huge victimization for Sierra and Kyle, who probably was going to get this like villain edit because he's like, we've seen him yelling at Amanda for years. He kind of comes out as a victim as well in this because he was friends with West and who knows when this started. It's very much like Scandville in the like people analyzing like, oh, she's wearing West sweatshirt here. Oh, like how long has this been going on? Let me ask you this. Yeah. Is there anyone of these players at the level? I'm just talking about like reality TV player tools and skills level of Tom Sandoval. Yeah. Really? Definitely. Lindsay Hubbard, I think is like has carried the show. She's an incredible reality star. I'm talking about people involved in the Scandville. I would say Sierra is a reality star. Yeah. On a level of of a skin of a Sandoval. I mean, they're a different type for sure. But I think she could she could skyrocket and I think she probably will from this. All right. I don't think Amanda is a good reality star. Yeah. But she's kind of been grandfathered in by dating Kyle who's like who is a reality star and having this like very tumultuous relationship, which has kind of been the backbone of it. Oh, wait, I guess Carl was also so Kyle, Amanda, Carl and Lindsay were all in it from the beginning and Amanda. So that's five. I highly recommend starting at season one if you are interested in the show because then you get to see how all of these evolve and you'll be much more emotionally invested. And as you can tell clues isn't and he doesn't care. But this is very important to me and all of my summer houses. It's a huge, huge week. And I'm just like, I'm reeling. I'm like this after the TFP week. I'm like, what is going on? Is there any part of you that thinks this might be orchestrated in some way? I mean, I did think it until they released a statement together. I thought it was just promo. Yeah. Like in portais promo to like throw Sierra under the bus like that. But no, I think I think literally some creepy person like filmed them in their house, which is like scary, you know. So I guess that video will probably never come out under penalty of legal action. I mean, maybe you could try to sell it to TMZ, but even that is has a paper trail legal action. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, and it's like I'm pretty sure it's like corn. So that doesn't matter. That's that's how reality TV started. Post porn. I don't know if TMZ does, but like the Paris Hilton sex tape was kind of the beginning of modern reality television. Was that consensually released? You tell me like no. Closes doing air quotes. Yeah, but everybody made money off of it and it launched Paris Hilton into being the biggest reality star in the history of fucking humanity. So you tell me. And then sex tapes became a thing Kim Kardashian. That's literally how her career started. I think this is it's such a massive error by West and Amanda. Amanda especially because she has this missed opportunity of this season was finally going to be her aria on a medic season where she like rises up as the divorce say from this toxic relationship. And now it's like, I don't know, maybe all presses go press, but we shall see what the fallout is. Indeed we shall. Well, thank you for this. If certain people are demanding too much money for Bachelorette, I think they could get her for a little cheaper. Yeah. Well, thanks for the rundown. Thanks for the explanation. Summer houses in shambles just like the bachelor is apparently, but you know, we do have this entire year to get through still. I know it's April. We're already in the fourth month of this year, but that's only a third of the way through. We still have two thirds to get through. I'm sure we're going to see some bachelor product. Maybe these summer house eons will be able to write the ship. Maybe. We'll see. I mean, are we getting an announcement clues? You told me it would be this week. I'm telling you a couple of weeks. It'll just be a few more weeks. How dare you? I don't know when the announcement's going to come, but my my sources say they're trying to get it done as quickly as possible because they need to shift the narrative immediately. And there's going to be right now. Baby Jane Doe get me that bachelor season. That's on big Jane Doe. That's on big Bachelorette. When are we going to get the bachelor? The real kind of thing that is happening is sorry, the current narrative of Taylor Frankie, Paul, the next step in that is her court hearing where they're talking about if she gets custody of her kids back or not. That's, I think, April 6th or 7th. So they have five days until that happens. That will be the biggest news in the bachelor world news cycle on that day. If they don't usurp it with some bigger news. Very similar to not to bring politics into it, but we're recording this on Thursday. Trump gave a very bad speech last night that everybody laughed at and said it was terrible. The next morning we wake up and he fires Pam Bondi. It's like, just do this, do something else. Take the attention away from this. Look over here. And I think ABC will probably attempt to employ that as well. ABC is going to start a war somewhere. Wow. Indeed. All right, let's move on to all those tids that are fit to print. This is Bachelor Nation News. First up in Bachelor Nation News, we've got a TFP news run down this week. She made her first post on Instagram since ABC's decision to scuttle her season. It was an Instagram story that featured a photo of a sunny landscape with text that read, thank you to every check in call prayer sent your unconditional kindness and check in can be someone's lifeline. She also had another story's post showing an open notebook sitting on a table beside a bouquet of flowers with a caption ending every single night with gratitude, even if it's just one glimmer. She then scuttled both of those posts shortly after posting them. Then she posted a short reel featuring herself from behind playing a piano with the caption, I learned this today for no reason. I think I have a real future piano. The poster remains up, not scuttled, currently has six million views and no reference to the disaster of her season. Scutlin. I mean, this is worrisome. I agree. Worrisome. Thank good. Also in TFP news, Bachelor happy hour, the only remaining official Bachelor Nation podcast announced they are going to be releasing interviews with several of the players from TFP scuttled season. As of the time of this recording, there are two episodes each with two men from TFP season currently released. Brad, Trenton, Casey and Johnny all sat down to answer corporate green machine approved questions about the fun time they had as players. I've listened to a couple of clips from those things. It's like, step in a limo was crazy. You're just like, God damn, shut up. And finally, in TFP related news. Dang. It's just like it's nothing. It's nothing. It's nothing. Why are they doing that? In case they want to pull the fucking trigger on a VIP season. They're hoping that getting these guys on Bachelor happy hour will somehow get Bachelor Nation to be like, oh, yeah, I do like that. I can't wait to see about paradise. It's obviously not going to work. I would say open up the floodgates and let us interview them. We'll get them out there. If they really wanted to do this. Here's what they do. They get all these guys together. They fly them to somewhere nice. They shoot a one episode two hour thing with all of these guys somewhere tropical, having fun drinking beers and drinking beer. Growing out. Let us see that. Just talking to each other. Maybe there's a little bit of a one time challenge. Maybe you even set it up as a game where they're all competing to win $10,000 or something in a hacky sack tournament or some shit. I don't know. Maybe there's some kissing. Cornhole. Yeah. They got to make out and play cornhole. I mean. I feel like they they're owed something and an appearance on happy hour is just. That's the bachelor cruise of. Yes. On solution gives the appearance on happy hour. Like unfortunately, I don't think any of these guys realize it. You've been had the happy hour that you're doing and you obviously have to do it. There's no real like you could say no, but then well, you might not get invited to paradise. That's irrelevant. What they are trying to do and what they have successfully done at least in these first two episodes is roll these guys out and make it seem like the guys are still grateful and thankful for the experience and everything's fine. And who knows, paradise might be right around the corner. It's like they are using you. And finally, the TFP related news. Her season of the Bachelorette might be scuttled, but Dakota Mortensen season of Unwell Winter Games is going to be released as planned on YouTube. Alex Cooper seemingly unfazed by the allegations of domestic violence against Mortensen and per a deadline article published this week, her YouTube reality composition series will be released as planned. The show also includes Demi Engmann from Slamma and Huda Mustafa from Love Island, who was the target of a restraining order filed by Louis Russell's ex-girlfriend earlier this year. Alex Cooper don't give a shit. I mean, she don't care. Scuttled is Alex Cooper. It's just such a, you know, we always talk about these reflecting the greater world and it's like they scuttled TFP season, the woman who's involved in these allegations. But the man show just continues. It's not an exact one to one. This the man show is the vibe. It's a YouTube woman arrested for all the Epstein shit. That's the only arrest in the US. Is it well Epstein and going Maxwell. They both were. Epstein did make it out. But yeah, he's closed. Well, I mean, yeah, that's what we got now. Not to get into the politics of it, but that's what we got now. Todd Blanch actually attorney general feels very it. I just it feels very much the same kind of vibe. Yeah, I can't believe they're airing this. The difference is, and by the way, Alex Cooper show also has Huda in it. Yeah, a woman who has these similar kind of restraining order domestic violence type things. The difference is though, Taylor Frankie, Paul is the lead character of a 12 episode network television show. Yeah, go to Mortensen is one among a cast of many problematic people on a YouTube TV show. Yeah, also that show, by the way, stars Grocery's door Joe and Serena bit. They are in that show as well because they have a podcast coming out on Alex Cooper's network. So it's obviously promotion for that. Yeah, everyone else is like a villain character and then grocery. Serena grocery store Joe and to cut him or some become best friends. He's not dead, man. I know he's got some allegations, but he's a cool guy. Thank you. Yikes. Yikes. Scuttle it. Scuttle it. Alex Cooper is just she's disappointing me this week. She's swinging a miss in a bunch. In my opinion, speaking of swinging and a missing, but maybe not. We move on from TFP to TGO up next in Bachelor Nation news. The great ones new Netflix series age of attraction has been renewed for a second season. The renewal comes less than a month after the velvet hammer produced series premiered on the streamer. It's the first new English language reality series to receive a second season at Netflix in nearly a year since million dollar secretly into the renewal last May. The show opened with 3.8 million views in its first week and added another 3.2 million in its second week. It also made the top 10 in 26 countries, including the U.S., UK, Australia and Canada, and was number one in Estonia. It is one of the few dating shows to have been created by women. In this case, velvet hammer media founders Jennifer O'Connell and Rebecca Quinn, the creator said, we love concepts that are impossible to look away from. And Angel Rejection nailed that from day one. It's messy, it's real, and that's what makes it fun to watch. Huge thanks to Netflix for embracing this dating experiment with us. The response has been incredible and we're excited to push it even further in season two. What does that mean? No idea. Eight year old and a teenager? I don't know. How do you push it further? Literally don't know. Galeen Maxwell is the host. I don't know. Jesus Christ, can't look away, I guess. Congrats to the great one though. I think at this point, you used to have a big piece of your argument for Caitlyn Bristow that she was better than the great one because of her post game career with her podcast and her wine and her scrunchies and her iTunes hits, all these things, right? I think now it's pretty undeniable that Nick Vial has usurped Caitlyn Bristow as having a better post game career. We shall see. He makes way more money than her at his podcast, which is way bigger than hers. And now he is hosting a Netflix dating show that got renewed for his second season. This could be the launch of a literal Love is Blind style franchise that he's going to be the face of. She hosted the virgins. I would argue he's not the face of anything. He's barely in the show. All of his lines are ADR. The Lachey's are barely in Love is Blind. They're still standing under a waterfall of money from it. That's just luck. Call it what you want, that he's luckier than her. But turning that luck into actual material success requires some something, some skills or something. I have a feeling we're going to see some more twists and turns in this story. So watch this space. Do you think that his... I bet she still has more followers than him. There's one way to check that out right now. Oh, I'm blocked. Let me look at him through a different account here. Oh my God. Scaboolians. Okay, Nick Vial has 1.3 million. He hasn't even gone up in followers. That's like years. He's been at 1.3. Oh, Caitlin's 1.8. Oh, so I guess it's not all metrics. That's so interesting. She's beating him on Instagram, but he's beating her on total kisses, total roses, total screen time, total seasons, total in runs. Total pool, breast grabs. Total pool, breast grabs, total time with Franco Lacosta, total time with Colonel Diaz in a bouncy house. He's beating her on all these metrics, but I'm saying post-game. That was just like always a big piece of your argument in favor of Caitlin Pristo. And I agreed with you up to a time. Vial Files has become, I would say it's probably the second biggest Bachelor Nation podcast behind Call Her Daddy. If you want to count that as a Bachelor Nation podcast, which I kind of do because they make big announcements there now. He's definitely bigger than any other one under Alex Cooper making shitloads of money, millions and millions of dollars at it. And now he's hosting a fucking Netflix show, the biggest streamer in the world. Time will tell. No, I mean, those things are happening. Time has told. Age of attraction is not low as blind. Correct. It's his own show. I think it's, I don't think it has the staying power. We'll see. It got its staying power for a season two. I think something, I will see. I was going to ask you was now that he's experiencing like podcasts or whatever, you have your audience and yes, those are more mainstream now. But by and large, podcasts don't suffer the same kind of scrutiny as like when you step up to the big leagues and you're on a network TV show or a big streamer like Netflix or something. Do you think there's going to be more scrutiny on his personal life now that he's like kind of being pushed as the face of or the host of this thing? I'm saying he's being pushed as a face and he's literally barely in the document. So I think no. He's in the document as much as the Lashazzo. I'm not going to have more eyes on it probably. I'm talking not about the screw ups. I'm talking about his personal life. Some of the dark secrets that he has worked very hard to bury. Do you think he's come to light? I guess that's what I'm referring to as screw ups. Yeah. Yeah. I think if there's further ones, there will be more eyes on it. I think he's so minimal in that show. People don't care. He's not the face of it. I don't know. Maybe they'll make him bigger in season two. And I guess like, I mean, I think I've watched as many episodes as you have. Yeah. He's even smaller than Natalie Joy in it. She gets more lines. She's better at it than him by far. She can actually read it with a little bit of emotion, with a little bit of believability. He's just sitting there like, so anyway, cut to the back of somebody's head. All of his lines, ADR. Hey guys, then you never see him again. I don't know. I guess like maybe people will just be interested in that like salacious format for more seasons. I don't know. We'll see. I don't either. And I'm also like when they're saying like, we're going to push it even further in season two. I'm with you. I'm like, huh? What does that mean? I don't know. I'm scared. What that means. For season two, they should do everybody on the show has the exact same birthday. No age gap. Not even an age gap possible. Well, I'm like, I wish they had followed some of the people that were the same age. Me too. And how it incentivizes the gap. And so it's just going to be like even faker. I agree. And like, what do they do in a season if nobody dates across the gap? I think they're forcing people to. You have to do this. Yeah, to go across the gap. Maybe you should go talk to that one. I think there's more of a connection there. Well, we'll see. I'll be tuning in for season two probably just to watch TGO. But let's move on up next in Bachelors Nation news. One half of Nicolandria, Alandria Carthon is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition. Alandria is making her modeling debut alongside Gabby Mora. The two join Kristen Goff, Katie Austin, Jenna Sims, Jasmine Sanders, and Ellie Thuman in the class of stars who were photographed by Catherine Guggen on the Gulf Coast beaches. Alandria took to Instagram to make the announcement, writing, quote, Once a dream, now my lifestyle extremely grateful for this opportunity and my new Sports Illustrated family. Congrats to Alandria on this prestigious feather in the cap. Is she still with Nic? It's all nice. Been seeing a lot of rumors about a breakup. Really? Oh, yeah. No. Oh, yeah. No. They were never together. I just I can't say it enough. It was a fake TV relationship. It was a real wrestling. That is what we are watching here. You're so jaded. They are in game. I refuse to believe anything until you hear it officially. Up next in Bachelor Nation news. I'm in my DeLulu era clues. Up next in Bachelor Nation news. The producers are coming out of the woodwork. The last is settling from the regime change. Former Bachelor producer Julie La Placa is releasing a book about her time as a master manipulator called the love producer. In it, she apparently reveals details about her relationship with Popeye Peter Weber saying the lines became blurred. Oh my God. La Placa was long rumored to have been engaged in a romantic relationship with Popeye and perhaps her book will shed some light on that. Maybe it's just a marketing strategy to promote marketing strategy blurred lines. I don't know about that. I agree. To promote the book La Placa gave an interview to Interpret Entertainment Weekly in which she said, quote, reality TV doesn't always air the full reality. I will be sharing my truth that I suppressed for a while. I dealt with some shame and some fear around sharing it and part of my journey was working through that and allowing myself to get to a place to be fully vulnerable. Like I got so many cast members to do. Every woman should own her own story and her own truth and own her truth. Sorry. It's very juicy and Bachelor Nation is going to love it. Congrats to Julie on becoming an author. Welcome to the club. Popeye Peter Weber should release another book, his tell all in response to this. The Love Produced. Being produced. If I was him, I would call my book Shadows because he lived in the shadow of the mansion. Or call it the shadow. Maybe that's it. The shadow. Oh my God. Yeah. I would call it bringing her home to us. Oh, fuck. Yeah. How can you not? Right. What was her? What was Sweet Home's other line? That's what love stories are made out of. Love stories are made out of. That's another good one. Bring her home to us hard to beat. Sweet Numbs is autobiography should be called the sweetest num. Where is her book? Start writing. ABC is probably telling her she can't release a book. We're going to let you release a book later through ABC. Just don't really sure. That story kills me that she had an opportunity to her own reality show and ABC was like, just wait, we've got big plans for you. Crushing. Fuckers. The danglers. The dangling scuttlers. Yeah. Finally in Bachelor Nation News, huge congrats. Go out to face play Master Hakeem Moulton, who is expecting a baby with his girlfriend, Monica Marie. The couple made the announcement with a video post to Instagram featuring a positive pregnancy test and a series of FaceTimes with friends from around the nation sharing the info. Grant Ellis, Jonathan Johnson, Austin and Brandon Jones all reacted to seeing a sonogram with face play that would make Hakeem himself proud. Here's to hoping Hakeem's Hall of Fame level face play gets passed to the next generation. I think it's so strong it'll travel through the bloodline. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to imagine it not because it's so strong, but I would have, I mean, look. Congratulations to Hakeem Moulton. I'm sure you're very in love with your girlfriend named Monica Marie. I'm sure it's going to be great. Everything's going to be fine. But can you imagine if instead you had procreated with the face god, Mackenna Dorn? Can you imagine what that child would be capable of? An alternative bloodline. Yeah, for real. Jesus. Can you imagine those two creating a child together? Both I and Tong. That face player would be the most dominant face player. Probably the world has ever known. But what if it got her eyes and his tongue? Work with what you got. See, I don't what I don't understand about this and why and I don't I don't know the what I'm about to ask the answer to this question or even how to really find it. Is Monica Marie a good face player? Honestly, I did not know this news until just now. So is Monica Marie. I don't know. Just a civilian with average level of face play. Does she have bad face play? Is she a Mormon wife? Oh, that I don't know. I don't know where she came from, but I don't know. Congratulations, Sakeem. Would have loved to have seen a child with the face god, Mackenna Dorn, but it's OK. Congrats. Yeah. And now we go to the segment of our show where we discuss the top five social media plays of the week. It is April Fool's Week. So we got punked by parasocial lies. Parasocial lie play several times. You have no fucking idea. I'm so gullible. Katie Thurston posted the thing saying she was on Traders. Oh, we'll get to it. Oh, it's in here. Sorry. OK. Oh my God, we'll get to it. By the way, I was convinced that the Scamander news was an April Fool's joke. So I was like gaslighting myself about April Fool's Day in that one. I really don't get April Fool's. Me either. It's not like some people do funny ones, I guess, you know, and that's that's cool. If you can be clever about it, oh, you got me. And yes, this is kind of funny. But some people are just like straight posting like weird lies with no hint of comedy, no hint of irony. It's just like, hey, everybody, I want a million dollars. Where's the results? What? OK. Um. No, I don't get it at all. I mean, this is why I could never play Traders. I refuse to play Mafia. I don't like lying. I don't like being lied to. OK. Anyway, speaking of lies, our top number five play of the week goes to the Fool's Queen herself, Becca Martinez, the future package deal who once told Ari Leindeck she could see why he liked Milfs posted some wild spawn con via a three slide Instagram post about a new sandwich at McDonald's. Captain Reed's pinch me hashtag McDonald's partner, hashtag McBuns. I've worked with a lot of brands, but nothing has hit quite like this. Introducing McDonald's is first ever limited edition fried rabbit sandwich, the McBuns. Yep. I've read that right. Crispy, succulent and layered with garlic aioli on sourdough. It's a bold twist on your favorite golden arches classic available through May 1st, 2026 while supplies last. If you know me, you know I have high standards when it comes to partnerships. The teammate McDonald's was incredibly transparent about ingredient quality, ethical sourcing and packaging sustainability. I'm loving it. Go grab a McBuns. Attack me if you try it. Meat emoji, burger emoji offer valid exclusively at participating locations in North America and France. Product availability, pricing and participation may vary by location void where prohibited additional restrictions may apply. 35.3 K likes. The caption was very well written. The post itself wasn't that good. I've seen her do better April Fool's in the past, but the caption baby Tanner. The baby Tanner was great. The caption here is incredibly well written and it looks real. The caption looks real. The strange thing to me though is the joke is that they're killing animals and eating them. Yeah, that's what McDonald's does. The rabbits the joke, but the cows. Okay. Yeah, I'm out. Coming in number four, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star, traders player and truth cannon, Brandy Glanville. She tweeted quote. Okay guys, if Frankie John Peter Taylor Paul Joseph, give me the bachelor. Now that I'm all better, I think it's time for me to embrace my age and become the golden bachelor. I have no rap sheet and no domestic violence charges. Prince sees just a lot of unflattering pictures on Google. All double heart emoji, 109.1 K views, 1.4 K likes. We think the franchise should go full celebrity crowns. I agree. Why not? Why not do it for golden? I totally agree. Do a housewife. I agree. Our third top play of the week goes to Trenton Merrill, the Paralympian player from the scuttled TFP season showed he could be an Olympic athlete in an additional sport, the parasocial arena. He made an incredible video on Sunday about his workout routine, training to be TFP's wife. In it, he lifts weights and carries them like TFP's little babies, giving them little kisses on the head. He also includes the Chiron getting up to go buy her Cinnabon Delights. Too soon, Trenton Merrill, the caption reads training to win the bachelorette rose emoji at the bachelorette at Bachelor Nation, 22.4 K likes 327 K views. However, in the comments, a civilian posted, why was this posted yesterday? Eyes emoji and he commented back face emoji with a zipper on its mouth. Why? This seems like it might have been a scheduled post that he just forgot to unschedule or something. The Cinnabon thing is like, I don't think they want to be associated with any of this, sir. I think that's a mistake. And how much of the season had Cinnabon in it? I can. I don't have exact proof of this, but I can guarantee you. They had a Cinnabon date where they went to a fucking cinema. And if they went to the fucking one in the Century City Mall and I wasn't there and I don't get to see it. I'm going to see it. All the hints of the season that we that could have been these parasocial plays to me, I'm like, God, these players are so strong. I know. So heartbreaking. It's absolutely brutal, but had to be scuttled. Coming in in second place, it's the Katie Thurston, the booby broadcaster and 17th crown posted a fake Trader's Cast announcement via a single still image of her in the yellow chair with the caption been keeping a secret. Side eye emoji, but I can finally announce will be a Trader or faithful watch at Trader's US to find out knife emoji, lips emoji, 43.1 K likes. This is the one I saw and I was like, she didn't fucking hit me up for training. What the fuck? You were mad. I was for like a half a second. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck, Katie? She didn't even fucking touch me about this. What the fuck, dude? I had that reaction for like a second. I was like, oh, it's fucking April Fools. Of course, it's fucking April Fools. She got him. Katie Thurston fucking got me. She'd be great, though. I know. All of these were strong plays. However, there could only be one winner. Our top parasocial play of the week goes to Brandon Perce, the 28 year old package deal from TFP's scuttled season, posted a video pitching himself to slum was Jesse Draper, who is newly divorced. All right. So this message is for Jesse from Single Lives of Mormon Wives, not the show title. Now that you're single, I have a friend who's interested. He's a dad. He's got tattoos and likes to work out. He has a job, doesn't like to golf. He's got history with one of your friends. So Instagram, if you can do what you do and tag her in the comments so she sees this, let's make it happen. This thoughtfully worded message appeared to allude to several of Jesse's criticisms of baby Grinch that she shared during her March 25th appearance on Call Her Daddy. Capture Meets At Just Jesse, Asking for a Friend, Side-Eye and Emoji. Hashtag Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Jesse commented, Hi, 13.2 K likes, 893 K views. I love this play. Yeah, that golf thing always I made a song about baby Grinch called A Masculated. It's somewhere if you go on Bachelor of Clues and just scroll around, it's somewhere in maybe the most recent 15 posts or something. In it, I made a little music video too, where I AI'd different pictures that I took from baby Grinch's Instagram so they have a little motion to him. And one of them is him on a golf course, like near the hole. And I have him like falling to his knees and screaming as it's going to go. Baby Masculated. That video aged well. Yeah. Well, these weren't the only players making those parasocial plays. We also have a nonhuman or two nonhumans, actually, in this case. Rachel Nance this week tagged John Buresh in an Instagram picture of their two dogs chilling in the sand next to a game of beach volleyball. And these canine companions couldn't look any happier to be enjoying a day in the surf and sand. Go check that out. They got their tongues out. They're just happy as hell laying in the sand, getting dirty as fuck. They're going to go back home, roll in the bed, get sand all over it. Fantastic. We brought Ollie to the beach for the first time last week and Luca. And Luca loves sand and like dirt, like that texture. And as soon as he got in it, he started sprinting in circles. It was like the happiest day of his life. Yeah. And Ollie hated it. Ah, man up for my own heart. Try the whole time. Yeah, I understand. Ollie, he's got the right mindset for the beach, I think. Now, we must move on to that final portion of this week in Bachelor Nation. You know what it is. Pace, Case and I have long accepted that we are digging a pit, a bottomless pit of fandom for the Bachelor reality television that has consumed us as entities. And now we will scream forth from the bottom of this pit about what type of entities we have become. This is. Screams from the pit. Clues, I got another dark scream for you. OK. Because it was blocked out of my memory until I was looking for the photos for my last week's scream, which was recreating Glitter Baby coming into the world by bringing a bring a ring light into the delivery room for my first child. So I was scrolling through those photos of like right before giving birth, giving birth, etc. The last photo before my water broke in my camera roll is me watching Slamma. Jen Affleck on my screen, my belly and then Jen Affleck. So Slamma sent me into labor. And then I also brought my computer to the delivery room. So you can see in my photos me watching Slamma while they gave me what was it called? The stuff that induces labor. I forget. I want to say Robotussin, but that's not right. Is it? Be careful if you're taking a robot. I'm out there and you're Tosen. Yeah, wow. So yeah, I have TFP. Let's see if I can see what episode this is. The Book of Judgment. So my baby came into the world. Wow. With TFP and Dr. Golden Rocks and Connor. So yeah, that's my screen. At what point will you explain these things to Ollie? You keep asking me this stuff of what I'm going to tell all these things. I'm like, I don't know how to explain these things. Like what's going to have happened by the time he can even understand, you know? I think you do it. As early as possible as soon as he starts speaking, really start. Explain to him that he is a part of the legacy of the pit and must make us proud as members of the pit by eventually being in some reality TV franchise. Start getting that idea in his head very young. It's like a pro sport. But the thing is that goes against one of my core principles of parenting, which is. I'm proud no matter what. I don't he can do whatever he wants. Unfortunately, some of those core parenting principles are going to have to be scuttled. Like the war parenting principles alongside the TFP season in the federal nation. That's right. Ollie is the only way to save the budget franchise. You have to make it happen. I mean, you know, he'd be good unless actually if he got my tear play, maybe that would be good. Yeah, your tear play, Jake's height. My tear play plus Jake's height. Oh, my God. We're looking at a NATO, the play type person again. Yeah, skyscraper skyscraper with to your play. He is a skyscraper. He we already had to move him into the crib from the bassinet. He's a lot. Oh, wow. And the the knowledge of gameplay will be unrivaled. No child will have access to that. Like you will. Well, I did think about playing our podcast for him to just like have my voice just going in the background. Yes. Yeah, I like this. But what should I play? What what episodes? Episode one through whatever we're on now. Well, I don't want to start him at the beginning and you have all episodes of Bachelor on five X speed, just playing on a loop. What is this fucked up music? I can't take it. He's just sobbing. Oh, it's a great screen. Congratulations on being bathed in reality television at every moment of your life, including childbirth. Truly, I was thinking about that. I was like that play. I had been thinking about that play before I had even gotten pregnant. I was like, when I have a kid, I'm going to do that. Smart. Like that's insane. Is it? I don't know. OK, thanks. I think it's perfectly sane. I think it's no different than like, for example, my dad, when I was born. Oh, God. How to have a football. That's a bad start. No, you're perfectly sane. For example, my dad. Yeah, no, I'm just saying he put a football in the baby bed like next to me so that I was touching a football from day one because he always wanted me to be a football player. You know, unfortunately, dad, other than just putting a football in the crib, you probably had to give me some different genetics, too. So thank you for that. Get him. You know what I'm saying? Get him. Are my family's genetics is a kind of thick muscularity. I have that, I feel like. But not the height. Thick boys. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. I can try to prime them with this reality TV stuff. But if your dad put a football in the crib and that popped out a podcaster, what will prime me in with reality TV pop out? But that's not always like. It's it's a strange mix, I think, to make like a an incredible professional athlete. If you look at like Tiger Woods or the Williams sisters, they had dads that expose them to that sport like very early. Tiger Woods. I mean, he was like he was on talk shows and shit when he was like five years old playing golf because they were like, look at this fucking kid can play golf at five. So he had a dad who exposed him to it, but also an innate obsession with it. Those two things mixed create the greatest of all time. So you don't know yet about Ali. You don't know what his inclinations, his proclivities might be. That will expose itself later. Exactly. That will emerge later. You'll find out. But in the meantime, bathe him in the dark energies of the pit. Just in case he's got the proclivity. I just put the Tyler Cameron pillow in his. Yes, yes. Why not? I've got a book that you could probably read him. His bedtime reading book is right here. I can loan you this. Jesus Christ. This is not a lie. This is dark. Don't try to make a joke or be poetic either. If you really want to try to impress someone with a sense of humor personality, I wouldn't choose social media as the way to do it. So much of humor is nonverbal communication. Think about comedians. That doesn't make any sense. He impressed Natalie through social media. That's why she DM'd him. That was just a random page. I never read this fucking book. Maybe I should do that. Sound off of the comments if you would watch me read every word of Nick Vile's book. Don't text your ex happy birthday or a patriarch. But if you were narrating the audiobook of it, I would listen to that. OK, maybe I'll do it. Get in my wig and read a chapter every night or something. I don't, you know, I don't have enough to do. I'm not doing anything else. So let me tell you about my screen. There are, you know, a wide variety of different types of screams. Yours is the variety that is your fandom. And so overtaken your life that it is now a part of everything. Even the most intimate and important moments of your life have some reflection of reality television back at you. That is one type. There's another type that is it affects you at your job. You know, a co-worker brings it up and you can't help yourself. You drag them into the pit or you're even doing presentations that somehow have a structural element or a thematic element from the bachelor. In a non related work presentation or whatever, there's that type of thing. There's also the randomly meeting bachelor players or finding yourself in a location that's important to the game. Those types of things. Mine is none of that. OK, this screen is one that is the dark powers of the pit. Pervading all things, winding through all things in your life. Even things completely unrelated, even other pits. This week on the necessary conversation, which is a podcast I do with my parents about politics in the course of the middle of the week, my mom and I usually do an episode together where she shows me clips from the right. I show her clips from the left and we try to expose each other to new information that we wouldn't otherwise see because we are locked in our kind of spheres of information. Yeah. To do this episode, I select my clips and then she sends me a couple of links. I never watch her videos until we're recording the episode because I want my reactions to be clean, basically. So I just take her link, download the video and throw it in the thing and I play it and react to it. This week, one of her videos was somebody talking about Candace Owens and the Charlie Kirk assassination. That person was none other than Dave Neal. My mom. Yes. My mom wanted to play a clip of fucking Dave Neal. So we're playing it and I was like, oh, my God. She is getting some good journalism. Exactly. I was like, do you know who that guy is? He's a comedian, I think. I'm like, yeah, I know him. He also started as like a bachelor commentator. Now he does pop culture and politics and everything else. But it was just like fucking insane. It was like the somehow the reality TV pit was coming into my weird political podcast with my fucking mom. It blew my mind. But it's just again, more evidence that the pit is everywhere. The pit is all things. The pit binds us. It ties us together. It is the only thing that will exist after our small planet gets swallowed by the sun. This is conclusive evidence. I am shocked because the necessary crossovers are very minimal because your parents famously refuse to watch the bachelor or have anything to do with our show. Yes. So. That's wild. Thank you, Dave Neal. Thank you, Dave Neal. It was a great clip. By the way, you're feeling a family. I don't know about all that. If anybody else out there wants to submit a scream, we're not the only one screaming. We know you got them too. All you got to do is go to patreon.com slash Game of Roses, where you get access to everything we're doing there, including our discord, where you can upload your very own scream today. We have a scream from In Girl on Discord. Here we go. I'm going to play that. Then there's a video piece of this as well or a visual piece. So I'm going to play the audio. We're going to listen to it. Then we're going to look at the image. Here we go. Hello, Pat. Picture this. It's the Monday after spring break. And I teach an upper level university sociology course on sexual and gender based violence. I have a section today called In the News because there's was a lot of relevant news over spring break for our class. I get to my slide about Taylor Frankie Paul and the Bachelorette cancellation. And all of a sudden my students faces light up. They've heard about this news. We talk about how this is an example of an institution, entertainment media, dodging accountability until they absolutely cannot dodge it anymore. We talk about some other concepts we move on. We get to the small group portion of class. And I hear once students have gotten through the questions for their group, they start discussing Taylor Frankie Paul again, talking about the Bachelorette cancellation. I can't even get mad because I'm the one who brought it up. And it is relevant for our class, even though they're no longer discussing the readings. Praise be. OK, so this is a little bit of a. Intersection with job type screen. And now we are going to see this image. How do I reach these kids? Oh, wow. So power and control violence. Oh, my God. This is like a legit kind of graphic diagram about secret lives. And I guess how each of these components affect its place in media, I suppose. Fascinating. So yeah, this is like a little bit of a where the pit intersects with your job. It's a little bit of a mania type screen as well. You're creating elaborate charts to examine these pieces. But you know, it's like I don't know about a screen like this in terms of is this mania or is it not? I went to DePaul last May, I think it was. Yeah, it's almost a year ago, not damn. Or maybe it was a little bit later. I can't remember the exact date that I did it, but it was last year. I remember it was May 3rd or 4th because of my sister's wedding. There you go. You know, gave a whole speech about the bachelor's of professional sport to an audience of students who were there for this pop culture conference. And I do think pop culture reality TV specifically is being taken way more seriously academically than it ever has been. You've got books coming out, Q the Sun, you know, is a big one. It's I think we're kind of like the idea that we're crazy because we look so deeply into this and derive meaning from reality television and its place in American culture or global culture. I think it's not as crazy as it used to be. I think it's the study of it is becoming much more accepted in academia. I mean, we have a reality TV president. Yeah, so it's taken very seriously. Nothing. Nothing is safe from it. This is wild. The we've also got these Macy screenshots on here. Dakota definitely purposely hooks up with friends in Taylor Circle and her saying, I feel like it's almost an isolation tactic too. And then it's on top of using isolation to control what she does, who she sees and talks to. This is fascinating. I'm like, I want to take this lecture. I know, interesting class. Well, thank you very much for sending in your screen. Like I said, if anybody else out there wants to send in a screen, just get on our Patreon page. Just get on our Patreon, get on that Discord, upload your one minute or shorter audio or video clip of it and any supplemental materials you feel are necessary to correctly convey what the screen is. And we play the best ones here. Thank you, everybody, for joining us for this week in Bachelor of Nations. We're going to be back on. Monday with a live. Yes. And I'll say. Oh, Tuesday, I think will be our call her daddy episode. Yes, on Tuesday, we're going to be talking about Alex Cooper, call her daddy, her influence on reality television. Currently, is she making good moves, bad moves with any or all of these shows she's doing, what she's got coming up later this year and and how she'll really be the first podcaster to make a giant leap into creating and executive producing reality TV shows. And our review of Love Overboard in that. Yeah, which hopefully we will have watched all of by recording it on Monday. So the clock is ticking. We have five episodes left. Those will be coming out on our Patreon as well. If you want to watch them with us, join us again at patreon.com.com. Such game of roses for the record. Episode five at the end, it starts to pick up. Yeah, we'll see where it winds up. Praise be Dark Lord Palmer. And then please rate this podcast. Please review this podcast. Please get a friend to listen to us. And then please rate this podcast. Please review this podcast. 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