Episode 461 | Rappers Delight

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Follow Between Us and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today. for your entire year. Listen to DJ Hester-Prince's Music is Therapy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani. Let's start with your cat. How is she? She is not with us anymore. Okay, great, great, great way to start. Maybe you will cry. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl? Oh my God. All the time. That's so funny. I know. So I try to butch it up for kids so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like Doris Day. No, I turn into Bea Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. Take two. Welcome back. Damaris dropped her mic on the original intro, but we are back. Happy, happy end of the week. It's fine. End of the week. We were talking about the weather. End of the week. You guys didn't miss much after she dropped her microphone. We are back. We are with our guy, Zip, on this lovely Friday, Netflix, Saturday. Netflix, Zip is in a joint. Netflix, Zip right there. You know what I'm saying? I ain't going to lie. Zip be acting mad different when he on Netflix. That is true. Like Netflix. I'm just colding it out now, Zip. He be way more mysterious. Everybody drop in the comments. Let Zip know that he acting different. They don't know me on Netflix. You know what I'm saying? He acting different. Pit Cat going to be like, yo, you acting mad different. They don't know me on Netflix yet, B. They don't know me over there yet, B. Yo, so Zip, it's been a lot of old head slander going on, I think, in hip hop in the last few months. And, you know, obviously me and you are from a different era of, you know, just rap and hip hop. We came up in the 90s, right? So Rory has said, first of all, we're back sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk, Text, and Data. Yes. Let's start there. Let's start with that. But So I got My guy Little Yachty Shout out to Yachty That's my guy He was on Boulay Kev He was on Boulay Kev Shout out to Boulay Kev We support Boulay Kev Yeah Love his platform He always gets the good clips Kev? Yeah He get people lying about Fucking 20 million dollar Football deals and shit Kev get the best Turn it down to go to rap Turn it down to be a rapper That was crazy I turned it down The shit I've ever heard in my life The math was crazy Like 10, 5, 10 million 10, 15, 5 You forget 15 million? Like 5, 10 million I turned it down. Oh, man. I turned it down. But Yachty and his crew was up there. Shout out to Yachty. And he was talking about just the origin of rap and back in the day, the music not being good and it being weak. Specifically, quoting Sugar Hill Gang. Before you go there, isn't this the second time Yachty's gotten in trouble with old head hip hop Twitter? Didn't he do something with Ebro? He said something about Big E or something. I remember at one point in the beginning of his career. It was around the same time the Kodak shit with the freestyle thing was going on. But him and Ebro got into it in like 2016 or something like that. And I remember it started his career as the golden child for golden era hip hop to hate. He's had these comments before. Ebro on my commentator now. I'm going to get you after Ramadan. Ebro, don't worry about that. I thought it was a compliment. I'm going to compliment him after Ramadan. I'm going to give him all the compliments after Ramadan. We'll be here until the sun goes down. Yeah, I'm just in a different space right now. bro we gonna talk March 19th don't worry about it yeah never mind go ahead oh you was talking no no no my bad okay all right well anyway so Yachty made some some comments right so specifically talking about Sugar Hill Gang yeah hit me today hit me today he's saying that don't stop and you know the origin that's the origin right so he's saying that that was weak right so we know that things progress music changes and all hip-hop is still a very young uh art form a very young culture in the grand scheme of just cultures around the world. Probably the most impactful, but definitely the youngest culture. There might be some cultures that are being birthed now that we don't know about. Ryan, you might know about the cultures being birthed now. I don't know. You're 22 years old. But the origin, that's the origin of hip-hop. Sugar Hill Gang. Hip-hop got his name from that song, right? Yeah. So, while what Yachty is saying, And like when you rhyme like that today, like if somebody was to rhyme, even though there's niggas that rhyme like that today that y'all swear is dope. Stop. They just do it on Travis Scott beats. So it's different. They do it on, they do it on mustard beats. They do it on mustard beats. They do it on, and y'all think it's the greatest shit y'all heard in the 21st century. Boom, bop, boom, bop, boom, bop, boom, bop, boom, bop, boom, bop, bop. Like all of that is a hip hop to the hip, to the hip, to the hip hop. You don't stop. A rocker to the bang, bang boogie. That's all derivative of that. Boom, bop, boom, bop, bing on. That comes from that. So that's why to hear Yachty say that now, it's like I understand what he's saying, right? Just in the air, if you was to hear somebody today say that. But you hear people kind of like borrow that style now and rap like that with that cadence and that flow, and people love it. I kind of feel like he's spot on. You feel like he's spot on with that? Yes. The Sugar Hill Gang was trash. I mean, I never liked that music. When I was little growing up, I ain't like that rap. I didn't like it. Okay. I started liking rap when G-Rap and Kane and Karas, one of them, Big Daddy Kane. I didn't like the early rap. I paid that shit no mind. But I used to say the same thing. That it was trash. Yes. Okay. And then came 87, 88, 89, where you got the real rap dudes coming. Like I just said, Kane, Karas, one, G-Rap. Rakim was probably the first one to change the way rap sounds. The flow. He took it from the Kumo, the Uptown. Yeah. 129th Street. That hard pause in and up. He stopped that. Now it's a flow. But they strong arm rap from the wack dudes. From the dudes with the wack, no bars. In the mid, late 80s, they strong arm different. And then for 15 years, you had to be nice. You had to be nice, super lyrical. You know what I'm saying? In a party element, kind of like. it was still around the party element because you had big partying I'm saying Jay was partying but you just had to be saying something it didn't matter what kind of song you made it had to be some intricate lyrics and that shit but see the only thing with Yachty and I understand I respect Yachty because Yachty is he's a little younger than us so I can understand and then you said you didn't even like that as well so I respect that when people don't like something it's like cool if you did that that's not your thing cool I'm not I'm not going to argue that Do you think that's his point? Because you can objectively say, I don't listen to rappers to like, I don't get my car. But like, you know, I haven't heard in a while. You know, but that I don't think if that's his if that's his point, then cool. But I think how I interpreted why people are upset. Let me not say upset. Why they're critiquing his critique is you cannot say that about the very thing. That's the reason you are here. And of course, it's going to evolve. at the beginning of every genre of music typically the beginning sometimes is the worst because they're still trying to figure out what this thing is sugar hill gang was coming from an era where it was all about a party you had a party and then they do the break beat and then and then the guy the guy that was hosting the fucking party just say anything sometimes it rhymed and then it developed into to to what sugar hill gang is so that was their goal was not to sound like naz because Nas didn't exist. They were at a party. It was Studio 54, coked up, trying to have a good time. They was trying to say hip hop. And then it just developed when people like KRS heard it and took it a little bit more seriously. So to critique something where the point was just to party and not to be some lyrical miracle shit, like until Flash, there was not even a bit of substance in it. But see what he said, he said he was talking 90s and then he went to the 70s. And I'm saying that 20 years means something. You know what I'm saying? That's where he messed up. If I critique the critique at all, I would say, you go, you talking about dudes in the 90s and then went to the 70s. That's a big difference. But if you want to, he was rapping in the 70s and the 90s. He said in the 90s, it was mad trash. I don't think it was mad trash in the 90s. It was something. They want effects. Sometimes that is not real rap. I mean, like they rap. You don't like DOS effects? Bump stickity, bump stickity, bump, hun. I got that old rumble. Tell me what he said. Bump stickity, bump stickity, bump. Right. You just heard what he said. Like it was dudes. I told Royal Readers. It used to be dudes crying about, oh, they mumble rapping. They mumble rapping. I can't understand what they saying. So what? You ain't understand what Das FX was saying. You just heard what they said. So you just care about hearing what somebody said. You don't really care about understanding what's being said. Califragilist, tic-tac-toe. I get the oops. Daisy. Now you got me crazy. Crazy with the... Skibbity-boo, where's the baby? So one, two, um, buckle my... Nothing. Um, shoot. Absolutely nothing. I had to move the jiggy-jee, smack my feet. Okay. Right. But is that not a reflection of the era? B was hard, but we was little. You want me to rap the brand? You want me to rap Baby Keem to you? No, my, my, my. Another stretch. Baby Keem is not a mumble rapper. I'm just saying that's the latest rap we got. But he said mumble rap. He was comparing that to mumble rap. Oh, mumble rap. Okay, okay. Yeah, like when they, because the older dudes would say, oh, this mumble rap, I can't understand it. You don't care about understanding it. You just want to hear it. You just want the words to be pronounced, but you don't care if you can understand those words. But there was a balance there with DaskFex. Like DaskFex, there was other, there was a balance there. and again, reflection of the time. I've even heard Hov do interviews like when him and, shit, I'm blanking on Hawaiian Sophie, with Jazzo, when they were doing that fast rap shit. With the Fushniks? Yeah, like they were just trying to be as technical and rap as fast as possible. It was a reflection of the times. You would say Jay probably wasn't saying much at all when he had that flow. If Jay stuck with that flow, we would not be talking about Jay-Z. No, Jay was saying, he was talking though. The flow was kind of like, because that was the era with, like you said, DOS effects, Fushnickens. Fushnickens was talking too. When I was small, he used to tease me because my hair was peasy, Mark and greasy, but now I'm living larger like Georgia. Yeah, like, so there's a balance there. Jay was talking. So it's, right, it is a balance. I just think that what Yachty is saying, you can't disrespect the foundation. Everything is going to evolve. Like, if that's the case, we can go back to when, you know, the NBA first started and look at these trash niggas dribbling with one hand. If you're going to say that. I would never put none of them in my top 10 from back then, which is fine, but I wouldn't disrespect the niggas dribbling around like this and all. I'm not putting, none of y'all going in the top 10. I don't care. Bob Cousy, George Mikan, none of them. But you can't do that because it's going to come a time now and we're probably seeing it where, you know, the shit that we grew up on is being disrespected. Rap from the 90s or the early 2000s or, you know, athletes from the 90s. Like now how they say Jordan is not the greatest and this, that, and the third. They said Jordan is Demar DeRozan now. I wanted to break the phone. But you see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? So it's going to come to a point where it's going to be our time, where people going to be, you know, 40 years from now looking back like, I ain't going to lie, that shit Zip was talking about was stupid. That nigga, he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. He was trash. That nigga, yo, that Rory album was garbage. That shit. They say that now. But I'm just saying, like, if that's the case, every generation is going to look back and say that was trash because everything is going to evolve. To me, you can say that shit, but even to your point with sports, like I've said countless times, Babe Ruth's super overrated. I don't think he could hit a fastball from a 13-year-old from DR right now. But that— Bro, you bugging the fuck out. Babe Ruth taking that shit, y'all. That shit is out of here. You're right. That doesn't mean that he didn't move the game forward to get a Mickey Mantle. Like, it takes time for things to develop. That doesn't mean I completely disrespect Babe Ruth. But do I think Barry Bonds is a better fucking hitter? Of course I do. Everything has to evolve. but that doesn't mean I got a shit on Babe Ruth. All right. So today, Nas probably raps better than 95% of the rappers. He's been rapping for 30 something years. Maybe 98.9. He's been rapping for 30 something years. So if we're going to do that, it's like, okay, but there's still guys that are from that, that was inspired by Sugar Hill Gang that can rap better than 95, 98% of the field that we have in front of us today. So, you know what I'm saying? It's like you can't. I'm not saying Yachty got to love the sugar. I don't play that. I don't love the sugar. I'm not. That's not my. I'm from the 80s, but that wasn't what I was listening to. So you say he got to watch his mouth. I'm not saying he got to watch his mouth. I'm just saying like it's a way to be like, yo, but I don't really think that that was like I never listened to that. You don't got to say that that was weak. Because that's what that's the found. You can't say the foundation is weak as hell. Now you got to think about it's coming from a place where they tell him. They was telling him like, yo, you can't rap. You just sound is trash. you trash. So he said, if I could go back to 2016, and he basically saying, if I knew then, what I know now. But we all could say that. No. When they was telling Yachty, like, yo, you ain't saying nothing when you rhyming, blah, blah, blah. He said, I was a kid then. I didn't know that back in the days, these niggas ain't used to be saying shit neither or I would have had a great defense for them. And so, it's such a complete difference because back, they were creating something like from nothing. Yes. They had no example. You have 50 years of examples of niggas rapping amazingly and you still can't put words together well. Like that's completely different. They have no examples to go off. And to her point too, when you're saying you love the 90s and didn't really listen to stuff from the 70s or early 80s, that's fair because I think the 90s elevated everything. I don't know if the generation after the 90s and 2000s, except for a select few, really elevated anything. Whereas every generation besides Yachty's has elevated it to what a hip hop head would say is a better level. I'm not saying that there's other people that don't think what Yachty and them did is incredible and their sub-genre of hip-hop. I'm not saying that. But to you, every single time, it's gotten better. You know why rap got simplified, bro? Money? Nelly and 50, bro. Yeah. Once Nelly and 50 came, bro, they had the most simplest raps out of anybody in the business and they was doing the most numbers. and so everybody said I'm gonna say the most simplest shit I could possibly say and try to do what they did I feel like they the ones that like simple by by mid 2000s standards now that would be super lyrical Nelly is super lyrical to today's crowd yes who said pretty boys can't be wild niggas foul niggas okay go round niggas that ain't lyrical if you want to go take around me yes Because it was different But we was young These young niggas think Little Yachty And people that y'all think Can't rap They like that shit No I'm not saying And I understand that And I also give them That respect Like okay if that's What y'all like When I was coming up People didn't like Snoop People didn't like Dre People didn't like A lot of that shit That I was listening to And I was like What this is dope Now look at what They turned it into I'm just saying When you say The foundation is weak The foundation can't be weak As hell because Look how much was built On the foundation I mean Now I think about it Look how much Hip hop came from The Sugar Hill Gang Look how far the culture Went from that From that From that moment From that style From that sound 50 something years later It's the most Impactful Influential culture Maybe Art form On the planet So the foundation Of that You can't say Is weak as hell Because if that was Weak as hell It would have collapsed It wouldn't have Nothing would have Been built upon it I feel like it was some real shit going on back then too though because if you listen to everything that was, like when dude was like, got sent up north for eight year bit. He was like, turn stick up kid. What you done did. Sent up north for eight year bit. Right? So that's no different than, that's Melly Mal. Right. So they had dudes that was really rapping. It's just you had a bunch of party shit going on at the same time. So like, that's probably why I don't fall because the foundation of that real rap shit, it was there. I'm saying it was there. Like they was, they was around but they wasn't at the forefront. just like nowadays them real rap niggas they ain't at the forefront it's these niggas that the hip hop just a new version of that shit I mean no still lyrics there's never been a year in hip hop where actual lyricists weren't the forefront of the entire thing it's gotten smaller and smaller of the amount of them but to this day the dudes that sell records got raps all the time you gotta be saying something you can sell a song without rapping but you can't sell records without rapping if you do make a good point now I think about it with Nelly and 50 and just that era simplifying shit for when it got super super mainstream commercial monetizing everything it had to be dumbed down a bit because even 50 was way more lyrical on his mixtapes before get rich dumbed it down a little bit I think hip-hop continues to evolve from the generation before and yeah it evolved to more simple yeah for like every single time it got lyrical lyrical lyrical 90s 2000 got simple and now it's super it just evolves with the generation before it. So you do make a good point. Simplifying it in the mid 2000s did get us to where we are now to the simplified point. That's who they grew up on. He born in 2002. This is when 50 come out. So the dudes, that's his age. That's the music they think people's listening to. From when they little, they ain't 50. Ryan said he knows T.I. as an actor, not as a rapper. I knew T.I. as a rapper, but I'm saying I'm more familiar with him as a reality TV star. Well, you must have been locked up at that time. Yeah, but Major's my man, though. I feel like Major was like, that's my little homie. Yeah. Like, respectfully. Major King, Damani, all of them. I know the whole family. You know what I'm saying? But because of the reality show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You watched him grow up. I didn't have that on my bingo card. You were that tapped into that show. Yeah, I'm dead ass. But that was a classic reality TV show. Homie, you bugger. What's Tiny Friend name? Shaniqua She had the fat ass Like we was on that Yeah I'm watching that to see her For nothing else That's what Y'all was watching that in prison? Yes What was your favorite moment From that show? What was it All in the family? I don't know I don't remember A bunch of Kings and Queens Grand Hustle Grand Hustle Grand Hustle Yeah Okay I'm saying probably some shit Major did Major was my little man Son like We used to like Major Like yo What's Major? You know what I'm saying? He come to do What he do You know what I'm saying? Yeah I don't see him no more Neither Where he at He layin' low Yeah He layin' low He standin' away from All he standin' away From wherever He standin' away from all of that He was holdin' the phone When King say all that shit Oh that's him? Nah I don't know Don't listen to Rory He say yo What's up with Major What major What other reality shows Did y'all watch? Everything that come on Everything came on E MTV VH1 Everyday Whatever was goin' on Y'all been in jail Watchin' Watchin' Family Hustles It was crazy, though. Loving hip-hop, all of that shit. Nigga, everything. That makes sense. Yeah, everything that come on them channels. Yeah. If you in a jail and they have VH1 or MTV, like, it's time to blow this joint. Straight up. How about it, yeah. So you think violence in prison could, we could drop those numbers if we just keep VH1 in the day room? I don't know about now, but back then, 08, 07, 09, you got VH1, MTV. Everything was cool. you hear that Mondani put a **** on Rikers and everyone will calm down give everybody a **** Netflix subscription in Rikers Netflix give everyone in Rikers Mondani Netflix subscriptions for everybody in Rikers some more crazy hip hop talk from you know the media we still control the media No, Warrior Mouth. Mouth, finally, you have the most powerful iPhone of all time. It only took an entire year. 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Like Mace was a bonafide megastar star megastar I don't like people forget you know I guess cause it wasn't it was so short it was like a short window he did 4 million on the debut that was unheard of but what Mace did I just urge people to just go back and just really look at what Mace did on Bad Boy go back to the albums go back to the features with Total and go look at the video Mace was a star how do you say that she glooch but I don't think that was what Charlamagne was arguing and listen I think Charlamagne's budget she glooch is a better lyricist than Mace, bro? Well, chill, chill. I think Sheikah's super underrated, but... I like Sheikah's underrated. You're right. Sheikah's underrated. But we asking this... But Jarlene was not saying that Mace was not a star. He said he probably makes the best music outside of Big on Bad Boy. He was saying he's lyricist. He's still bugging. I want to make that very clear. Yeah, he's bugging. But I don't want to misquote him in that regard. No, I understand. I get it. I get what you're saying. Because everyone would say that Mace put Bad Boy on his back. Black Rob don't have one verse fucking with that shit when Mace was like, what you know about going out headwashed, red legs, TVs, all up in the headrests. Black Raw don't got one verse fucking with that, bro. No verse. That's some weird shit on a hit record. Even when he ran out of ammo and was throwing bottles, that's not better than going out headwashed, red legs, TVs, all up in the headrests, bro. Rest in peace, BR. Rest in peace, Black Raw. Rest in peace, Black Raw. They gave me boxes and Sean Jones shit when I came home off that first day. Rest in peace, BR. Yeah, nah, but Mace is definitely top five bad boy. Mace is top two. You go back like- Mace top three. Children of the Corn learn of Mace like before the first album. Yeah, we not like like mixtape Mace. But I guess he's saying when he was bad boy. When he was bad boy. Okay, I guess that's what he's saying. Bad boy lyricists. Bad boy lyricists. Either way, we see it. Either way, Mace said a classy criminal got by the genitals dogs know me so don't get splashed for the minimal. Like he was talking shit, bro. Yeah, Mace was nah, bro. Like, come on. Yeah, y'all gotta go back and do your homework on Mace. I think Charlemagne Charlemagne, he from the South. He from what? North Carolina? South Carolina. That's deeper South than North. You gotta go You gotta do the Yachty move. You gotta do your due diligence. Black Rob got rolling. That's really it. That's the only Black Rob we ever really got, bro. As far as a hit record? Like songs like Black Rob when it was Black Rob blacking on the show with Black Rob. 24 hours to live. That's the only time I feel like Black Rob went off. I think he got the best verse on that song. There's no other time that I feel like Black Rob and Mace got over there too. Can I Live Black Rob? It was just unfair on Can I Live. The first time I heard that, he was only on the hook. That was on the Clue tape. The first time I heard that, he was only on the hook. It was a Locke song and they gave it to Black Rob because he needed one of those on his album. But his verse wasn't bad. He just went up against the Locke's in prime form with three of the best verses they had done. Like it was unfair, but Black Rob, he got off on, on, can I live now? I don't know if you remember on the old show. Charlamagne called in one time when we were discussing if Harlem world was a classic. I think this is a personal thing. I don't think Charlamagne actually believes this. Him and Mace, he's had some weird Mace hate. You think that's a classic Harlem world? Yes. I personally do. If somebody said no, I wouldn't. I put it on the other day looking for some shit. I was, I was making my playlist. I think I took two songs off of it. Okay. It can't be no classic. What? I don't have classic albums You can take two What you mean? Only two I was like Oh I can't I don't want to hear this shit no more You took two songs off Like you only You couldn't listen to those two Or the only two you could listen to You niggas want to scrap We can scrap You niggas want Like that Shit with him and DMX 24 hours away So it's probably like Three songs off of the end That you That you could take And put on the playlist Do you want to get money Take what's yours Will they die for you Look Come on Looking at me The playway I'm fine I might I feel so good, what you want Cheat on you, 24 hours to live I need to be, watch it back Nah, you bugging, that's a classic Not classic, bro That's a classic album Come Home With Me is way better than that Come Home With Me is way better than that Harlem World album, son I don't know if that's a crazy hot take Come Home With Me is way better than that, son Age difference, because I listened to Harlem World Later, because I was seven when Harlem World came out. I was laid up shot. I got Harlem World and then like a week later, I got Money, Power, Respect and came out like two weeks later. Bro, I was laid up shot listening to this shit, son. I was like, yo, they couldn't tell me nothing about Mace, son. Yeah, no, Harlem World's a classic. Couldn't tell me nothing about Mace. You listening now. So you saying it's dated now. I'm talking about then. When that shit came out, when it dropped. Mace was a mega star, bro. Mace couldn't do whatever he wanted to do in America. That's a classic album. We're not doing that. We ain't going to win. We ain't going to be Harlem, that ain't on my classic list. So, alright, what's on your classic list then? Come Home With Me is on my classic list. The purple tape is on my classic list. I could debate Come Home With Me. It was written. How you could debate Come Home With Me? Harlem World? If you got Come Home With Me, I could put Harlem World in there. It's not that. It's not. I love Come Home With Me. I love that album. But I'm just saying, it ain't like smacking Harlem World out of here. I do. I think it does. I think it does. Nah. It's not smacking it out of here, but. It is a fair point when you look back at the album. I love Come Home With Me. That album is crazy. Losing Weight Part 2, Oh Boy, I Live My Life. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Again, I have a different place in my heart because I was 13 when Come Home With Me came out. So it's, I connect more with... And Oh 2? Yeah, I connect with this more than I do with Harlem World just because I went back to listen to Harlem World. I mean, I heard the singles when I was a kid, but I didn't, I wasn't banging Harlem World when I was seven. But Come Home With Me Did not leave my fucking Walkman Yeah Come Home With Me It's still like valid bro Like That shit is kinda timeless It's shit on there that's timeless bro I think it's Cam's best album Me too It is I mean A lot of people SDE's right there though A lot of people say Purple A's Cool SDE's cool We can't fuck with Come Home Compared to Come Home With Me It's cool Yo nah SDE is crazy Compared to Come Home With Me It's cool This is what I'm saying Like when it came out Fire Production of Come Home With Me is better for sure. When it first came out, S.D.E., fire. I've never even heard that to be the second one. It's always Purple Haze verse Come Home With Me. It's fire. Don't get me wrong. I've heard that, but that's your generation. That's my, yes. Yeah, your generation say Purple Haze. Like, Purple Haze, I got like three songs off of that I like. I've gotten in plenty of arguments, Purple Haze verse Come Home With Me. That's almost like the rap version of Confessions verse 8701. Okay. It's Come Home With Me and Purple Haze. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Yeah, Charlamagne tripping though. Mace is definitely a top five bad boy lyricist. I'm not even, I don't even want that to grow late, that narrative to even start making his rounds. Without a doubt, you cannot talk about bad boy, the bad boy legacy, bad boy building, anything bad boy related without Mace and without saying he was a top, fuck lyricist, he's a top five, he was a top five artist back then, rap artist back then. Oh, for sure. He was the biggest artist. Nobody was messing with Mace when Mace came out, bro. Nobody, bro. That's why Jay-Z shot him. Jay-Z shot Mace because he was at the top of the, he was the top dog. Yeah, they was the ones, yeah. You had to shoot the top dog. He didn't go at Nas. He didn't go at Nas first. He didn't go at nobody else. He went at Mace because Mace was that dude, bro. It was a little more personal shit behind that. Yeah, perhaps, but still Mace was the top dog, son. I don't know, for sure, definitely. I just want, I'm not saying Charlemagne's not being honest. I do think there's something personal because he's had this weird, weird Mace hate that people have called out and noticed for a long time. Like it doesn't feel like You critiquing music It feels like you kind of hating I'm saying somebody said You didn't go Monty Jones Tell some story in Florida With Charlemagne and Mace Or something like Somebody said Wendy Williams Is big homie You know Wendy Williams Don't like Mace She don't want to first Don't say Mace With a gay rapper Y'all gotta like Come on put this shit In my man You connecting the dots Yeah the dots Connect themselves There you go Those shits connect themselves Alright top five Bad boy lyricists Around the room Start with Damaris Since we've been talking Not qualified I wasn't in the heyday of when that was going on. The heyday. So you sound like Yachty now. Look how fast you sound like Yachty. The heyday. That was 90 what? 94? I was born in 94. Oh yeah, you out of here. Whoa, whoa. Bad Boy, you know, made it all the way up until a few years ago. Like you could throw MGK in your list. Yeah, I'm okay. That's sick. That's crazy. MGK is crazy. French not on your lyricist's list? Nah, nah. I love French though. French one of the best artists that was ever on Bad Boy though. Yeah, I'm going Big Mace Kiss No Big Kiss Mace Oh, no particular order Oh, no particular order? Yeah, I wasn't Big Mace Kiss Styles And Who else was up there? She Yeah Everyone's just replacing Black Rob with Oh, you go Jeezy? You go Jeezy? Young Jeezy? Young Jop Young Jeezy was on Bad Boy? He was in the group Before he went solo Boys in the Hood Yeah but no we not doing it We can't do that though They had hit record Yeah we can't do that though We talking about like He didn't release an artist He didn't release a solo album on Bad Boy No She can't release no solo album style So you gonna take the group Boys in the Hood I'm saying like I'm just asking Is Jeezy like Jeezy's not a better lyricist than Chic Looch No Not even close He's not a better lyricist What about Red Cafe? He's not a better lyricist than Chic Looch I like Red though I think Red is underrated and I think Red is low-key writing for a lot of niggas that we don't know Loon is not better than Sheik no lyricist no he's not Loon got I need a girl he got off on that what you talking about like lyricist no Fox brown nigga she ain't top dog she ain't top five alright since kiss Chic and Styles didn't put out a solo project. What's y'all top five without the locks in it? People that put out solo joints. Oh, I gotta go. I gotta go. If the locks ain't in it? Big Mace. I'm going Elephant Man. Don't hate on Elephant Man. No particular order. I'm throwing G-Dep in there. I think G-Dep is a better lyricist than Black Routy. You said they released the album? or they didn't release an album? Well, just that was solo on Bad Boy. Pause, who's Fuzzbubble? Never got into Fuzzbubble. I never checked. Right, who did that? You never fuck with Fuzzy? I never checked his catalog. I don't know who Fuzzbubble is. But if you said no, they didn't release an album? No locks. Solo, solo. Craig Mack. Lyricist? Lyricist. Black Raw. King Lose is up there. Did he put out a solo project with Bad Boy? You just said they didn't. They was just solo. They didn't have to put it out. Okay, that's fine. Fair, fair. Just Lyricist. King Lose is top five. Craig Mack is not on there? Lyricist is top five? Yeah. No, what you talking about? Wait, top five? No, I don't know. Without the lyrics? GDAP, Loon, Black Rob are all better than Craig Mack lyrically. Like, what are we talking about right now? Okay. I don't know about that, son. Like, what are we talking about right now? You got to put King Lose up there. Lyricist. You got to put King Lose. Sean is a better lyricist than Craig Mack. Sean is better than Craig Mack. Got to put Sean up there. Sean Poe. So without the locks, I'm going Big Mace, G-Dep, Shine, Black Robb. I take it back, Loon. Loon got to go on that list before Black Robb. That's my list. That's my final list. Black Robb, six man of the year? Yeah. Next to Fuzzy. Lyricsist? You ain't got King Loose in there? I don't. Did he even put a song out on Bad Boy? We just talking about lyricists, though. Like, just raps. Like you take five niggas From the label And just let them rap Them niggas There's a lot of niggas Not rapping Lyricist is better than King Lowe's Y'all tripping right now But if you don't have A lot of projects Or a lot of No but we not going on for that No but what I'm saying is It's easy to be lyrical If you only have Three examples Or three times to be lyrical The more you have to do it Over the years Like people tend to get Less lyrical If they're not that good You have to prove That you can continue To be lyrical Good point I think King Lowe's Rapping better Than a lot of them niggas King Lowe's is one of the King Lowe's is an alien I just don't consider him Really like a bad boy artist Okay Well take G-Dep off And put King Lowe's thing Cause already on Fish and Spaghetti Was mad whack to me Like that was whack I was already You on Fish and Spaghetti Like come on Nah nah nah I heard that When you heard that What you thought When was the last time You listened to G-Dep Child of the Ghetto album That was hard The Child of the Ghetto When it came out probably Like it didn't get a lot of That's like a Underground classic to me You think so That album is incredible I mean you was He lost me I was already on Fish and Spaghetti bro You ain't go back after that? It was like Nah He said I had a He said You never heard This the Fish and Spaghetti This the Fish and Spaghetti Put that shit on Yo This the Fish and Spaghetti Don't do that man Yo This the Fish and Spaghetti Nah I wanna hear that He said You never heard this song Every Day by G-Depp? Probably I probably heard it He said I had a cigarette For breakfast Just for beginners Cry for lunch and scream for dinner. He ain't like that. You ain't like that. And I ain't like him going to the priest and doing all that. That's what it really is. Yeah, I might be. That's what it really is. No, no, no, no. You going up for that. I might be. That's unfair because if we go through the list of things every bad boy artist has done in their free time, I don't know if what G-Tap did is the craziest shit. Yeah, man. We could take big off the list if y'all want for all that nasty stuff he used to say. We could do that. I don't got no qualms with that. He is dead. He is. We got to take Biggie off the best lyrics in 12. Of Fatboy. All that nasty shit he used to say. He looks so good. Yeah. Suck on your daddy's dick. That was a Richard Pryor joke. What about what Gutter used to do? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, what about he had the techniques dripping out his whistle names and he used to sleep on his stomach so he don't fuck up his sheets. Yeah. Like he said a bunch. It's just all. Wait, what? Biggie said, I got techniques dripping out my butt cheeks. Pause. I sleep on my stomach so I don't fuck up my sheets. He just used to say anything out of his mouth. anything he wanted to say. Oh my God. Madness. He said he'll fuck RuPaul before he fucked them ugly ass escape bitches. He used to say anything out of his mouth. So we can take him off the list if you want. I don't mind that. He's not in my top five because of that. Nah, nah. We don't take it. Biggie Smalls is not in my top five because of that, bro. Because of the nasty raps. Biggie got to be your top five rappers ever? Top five. Hov, Kiss, Fab, Ross, and Drake. Big not on that list, bro. I know I could find crazy nasty bars from all those guys. You tripping. Like that? You tripping. Maybe not suck on your dad's dancing. Fuck RuPaul. That's you'll get it. That's gay. That's no, there's no way around that. That's not a Richard Pryor line. That's your line. We not putting that on Pryor. I'm going that tiny. I'm on tiny. I seem hard. I see it look like Smokey Robinson in the flick. But you guys, because you love the show. Okay. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, they just put the picture up. She look like Smokey. Know what I'm saying Now I'm chasing that Yeah Yeah Fuck that Like you talking about No disrespect to King But No disrespect I'm saying You put a picture Of my mother up Yo we major We major You put a picture Of my mother up So I'm coming in I'll just let you know now You know what I'm saying But major's my man I don't know disrespect Biggie was front Biggie violated Nah not me Shit Yo I forgot what platform it was when C. Gutter was doing an interview and they asked him about that line. He was like, yo, I ain't like that. He was in the studio. I was like, yo, why would you say that about me? Because you know that. I'm a hooligan out here. I'm not butt raping nobody, throwing him off the bridge. Like, what is wrong with you? Oh my God. Big was like, I'm trying to make the Mafioso shit. Like, I'm going to make a mystery out of you. He was like, I don't want that on my jacket. Who is Fuzz Bubble, though? Can we click Fuzz Bubble? Can we click on Fuzz Bubble? Let's see who that is. He might be a legend. We just don't know. He from Long Island. He from L.I. Rock Pop. Oh, it's a group. Oh, it's Rock. Oh, it's Rock. Rock, Rock. Oh, aye, aye, aye. Because I was bugging like that. Yeah, that was a group from Long Island. Okay. All right. That's why we didn't know about Fuzz Bubble. Mark Curry doesn't get any lyrical love with Bad Boy? Nah. Damn. You don't fuck with MC? Mark Curry? Yeah. Nah. He had some joints. He wrote some of Puff's best joints. He did. Hooks and shit. Nah, he wrote the joint on the Godzilla. soundtrack. Yeah, he definitely wrote that. But Puff rapping on the Godzilla soundtrack is not like Puff rapping on that first shit. No Way Out. No, no, no. That's Mason Kiss. He was sounding, I'm saying, like he ain't never really had no rhythm to me, but he was sounding like that's the best he ever sounded rapping. I mean, I know he's not allowed to say, that's a classic album to me. No Way Out? Yeah. Facts. Like, facts. I don't think there's any way to get around, especially when you're not a rapper. Like, that shit was fire. And he did more numbers than anybody on Bad Boy with that shit. So he was feeling himself off of that. Like going to be a party promoter and exec and they're just like, you know what? I'm going to just rap real quick and drop a classic album. Six, seven million. But he had Mason Kiss writing everything. Of course. That was easy. Yeah. That was easy. I was going to say, where you put Puff on the list? Nah, we can't do that. No, we can't do that? Nah. He didn't write. He didn't write. We're not doing that. Alright, while we're still on music, Mal, blink your eyes twice if we're getting a Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt 30th Anniversary concert at Barclays Center. Just blink twice. You don't have to say yes or no. If we get in a what? A 30th Anniversary Reasonable Doubt concert? Yep. You just blink. That's all. At the Barclays though. Just breathe. You don't have to say anything. Just breathe if it's yes. Maybe the Garden? Because you know there is a rumor. Yeah, I know. There's a lot of rumors. No, not the rumor in your group chat. I'm saying a rumor like amongst us civilians. It's a lot of rumors, man. I know people be like, oh, the Barclays is booked out for two weeks in between, the Liberty and this and that. Well, let's not skip steps because Hov and your brother changed Jay's name back to the little dot dot thing. J-A-Y hyphen. Controlling, manipulating, I got a good life, man. Yeah, J-A-Y hyphen. I like that. With the two little dots. Then they put out Dead Presidents 1 on streaming, which hadn't been on there before. Then did jayzy30.com. There's vinyls. There's merch. I don't think Jay just does shit to do shit and based off all the deals that we know your brother and him that's the that's the baby that they own they own that in it's totality I don't even need to do some blueprint shit and get fucking universal involved I could just do reasonable doubt I own 100% of the shit right there's no way that they're not taking that opportunity I think just based off the Liberty having away games I think Biggs was like we should do it you think Biggs said that? I think Biggs was the one that pulled up the Liberty schedule It's not far-fetched I definitely didn't ask and I honestly don't know but I wouldn't be surprised it makes sense I think that it makes total sense to do it I don't see why Jay wouldn't do it and I mean obviously the NBA draft is there that week but it's like a two week block yeah you only need one night like conveniently on the week that it came out yeah while you were living next door we went to five cities in one day I remember I was up north Watching that shit Every stop And just performed Five cities in one day That's what he did You remember he did that Five cities in one day Yeah he did Five cities in one day That sound like some J Just hopped on the jet Just hopped on the jet I think he went to like Chicago, LA Cross time zone Yeah he finished off In New York But I Alright Do we have predictions Of what I don't think Just doing a show I don't think that's enough The album You want reasonable doubt too I don't Oh, hell no. I don't want Jay to put out another album. Because we're going to have guys like Yachty and them going to shit on it, say it's Crash. Nobody want to hear that lyrical miracle. But do you think that they would put out Dead Presence on streaming, have this website just for one concert? I feel like there's going to be more around this. I don't know. You too hopeful. No, I don't think Jay's putting out new music. I don't think this is around an album whatsoever. I just don't think you're doing a full website just for one reasonable doubt anniversary concert. I agree. I think there's going to be more attached to it. I don't know what that is, but I think there's going to be much more attached to it, mainly because the businessman that Jay-Z is, this is an entity that he owns full, outright. There's no other partner besides Biggs and I guess the state of New York. But that's neither here nor there. But I think they would put more into that because they own it outright than just doing a show at the Barclays Like I think that going to be part of it I just don know if that going to be the only thing But if you do both of them the same night? As far as what? The Barclays and the Garden. That would be crazy. Gotta tear the city up. I will say, I was at Made in America when- You should tell them that. You should tell them that. You should tell them that. Barclays and the Garden same night, fuck the city up. Nobody else can do that You can sell both of them out Nobody else can do that bro When we were at When he headlined And live stream him Going from Brooklyn To the Manhattan On the train With the pottery lady again Have like one train Like had a J train Taken from Barclays To That'd be fine You did five cities before Wait so they're gonna Move the J train To another part of Brooklyn You can put the sign up You can just put the sign on I don't think Mom Dami Doing all that All you gotta do is Change the On the front of the train All you say just put the Yeah They can do that Okay I thought you meant like Spell it like J-A-Y But if Jay gonna do that He would actually He would do some super ill shit And have the whole Train shit painted over A reasonable doubt And let it take him from Barclays to the garden And perform on Well They put Wi-Fi on the trains And took it away You could live stream somehow If you're Jay-Z And continue your performance Like you keep rapping On the train On the way to the garden Do the New York shit While you're on the train It's not a long train Be doing New York While you're on the train If we can change the letter We'll get expressed Be doing New York While you on the train On the J and the Z On the J and the Z line Doing New York Alicia Keys on the piano On the platform We saying all of that Asking for money All of the sounds great right And guess what A lot of these streams This shit trash Who cares Who cares I'm just saying Yo but I'm saying There's certain people That's gonna love that That would be amazing And it's gonna be a sector That has a lot of control And I guess you know Fragmented media Right They're gonna have Their own streaming platform watching it. Yo, this shit is trash. This shit is trash. So it's like... I don't think Jay's thinking about any of those people. No, he's... Of course he's not, but I'm just saying... But who are you talking about? Like the young streaming niggas? I'm talking about the younger... Just the younger genre, the younger audience. But niggas is going to be all the way longer than they're going to be younger. So fuck with them young niggas thing. Respectfully. That's how you pull the move. Fuck with... Never give a fuck with a Hawaiian thing. With the young streamer, their whole life is based off negativity. Jesus Christ himself would come back and be like, yo, why are you wearing sandals? Like, there'd never be, you're never gonna, you're never gonna impress these guys. Why Jesus didn't have on some Balenci's? Yeah. You had them regular sandals on. Put on some Balenci's. You don't even have Balenci's. How can I pray to somebody wearing that? Yeah. I don't know. I think there's something more attached to the reason without shit. I honestly haven't asked, but I'll hit Biggs and ask him though. Like, it gotta be, it gotta be something happening. J-Not just selling t-shirts at jay-z30.com. Yeah. You're not creating that just for the fuck of it. Because you would just sell your vinyls and t-shirts on your regular shit. I just don't know, man. I don't know if Jay is inspired or motivated right now. But you could be inspired by the 30th anniversary of your first album. Yeah, no, yeah. Performing is bullshit, maybe. To honor that. I'm not saying you have to put out Reasonable Doubt 2. Yeah. I'm not saying he's going to do his fall off. I would like to see him put the album back out and then put like two new tracks on there. I wouldn't be mad at that. Like two new tracks on Reasonable Doubt. Like don't give us a whole new album. just give us two bonus joints. Yeah. But that fit with that time. That sound like that time. On volume, was it volume three? When you had to skip ahead, the last record was like 20 minutes long. You had to fast forward on your Walkman to get, like you should be, it's only on the vinyl. And you got to wait 20 minutes to get to it. Hip hop did that because I forgot who did that on the album and that's what hip hop got that, was inspired to do that at. There was a single, the three records that were at the end of volume three, One of them was Like they put a single At the end of that shit Yeah That was Hop doing that I forgot what album he heard And he was like Oh shit like You let the tape play Like it's another song And everybody was like Where? So when he A&R'd Reasonable Doubt He was inspired to do that He was like Nah we gotta do that On this album Yeah cause that I think it was two or three Records on volume three That you had to Fast forward to But no I would love to watch Yeah I don't really want New music from Jay Neva though I do I mean I wouldn't mind it I wouldn't mind it but I ain't looking for it. Don't get it twisted. If we open our phones right now and Jay's post a link for a new, says new album Friday. I'm listening to it. Oh, I'm definitely. Yeah. But I just. And if he never do it, I don't care. Yeah, but if he don't do it, because obviously he's a legacy act at this point, but I'm just saying like, I just don't, I can't sit back and just watch the internet tear down a Jay album. Like that shit will really piss me off because all this other shit that y'all hype up and say is dope and it's hard and this nigga is, ah, ah, ah, whatever. Jay put out a new album and y'all niggas trashing. That's just going to cause a whole divide. You going to crash out? No, I'm not going to crash. My crash out days is over with. I'm not doing that. But it's just like, I don't want to even see that. I don't even want niggas to get the opportunity to disrespect the legends. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, they waiting to do that. Those shit trash. This nigga's still rapping like nobody want to hear this shit. They ain't doing that to TI. Yes, they are. They are? I ain't see that. Only Atlanta's not doing it to TI. I think Atlanta's doing it to TI too. I think some niggas in Atlanta ain't jacking that shit A lot of people like it more than I think I'm saying the shit where he was in front of the car That was a lot That's what Pharrell did right? I like the Pharrell record That was a lot but I'm saying the diss records is dirt I don't like the diss records I think niggas is just too old to be making diss records though like when you 45 46 like I just think when your kids is in college The kid thugging on the internet you can't be making diss records 50 did reply this morning sort of V-I-G. He said, I don't need me to rap. You need me to rap. Get off my page. Wait, 50 said, I don't need me to rap. You need me to rap. Get off my page. Yo, yo, yo, yo. 50 got like 49 million monthly listeners on Spotify. T-I got like 14. I wouldn't have done no verses with no nigga like that neither. Is that much disparity? Is that much disparity? I'm just saying off of pure music. Son is not going on stage when he's calling you a rat. I don't know why you would want to do a versus with a nigga calling you a rat. Nigga been calling you a rat for 20 years. That's a fact. And you want to do a versus with this nigga. You should probably want to fight this nigga. Yeah. I mean, GZ and Gucci did this shit though. And not that anyone called each other a rat, but somebody died though. There's some history there. That's even crazier than calling somebody a rat. You niggas was mans before. They was cool before. That's a totally different story. We from here. We was cool before. some shit happened that's different things talking about GZ GZ and Gucci they was cool before they did songs and all that they was alright so they reconciled and I think people kind of guessed that that was that's like a reconciliation right when you used to be cool then you wasn't that you back cool that's T.I. 50 never was cool he never was my man homie yeah yeah and I mean that even goes back to I don't know if y'all remember when the Swagger Like Us days remember when 50 was on the stage when he tried to crash the Swagger Like Us he was running laps around them niggas Puff, J. He was running laps around them niggas literally and figuratively. That's a fact. That's what he was telling them on that stage. I'm running laps around you niggas. Y'all clicking up and I don't need to. I'm running laps around y'all niggas. That's what he did. Though at that point, 50 was kind of checked out from music. Was he? Nah. That was too bad. I Get Money was 07. Yeah, that's like 07 or 08. Swagger Like Us was what, 08? Yeah. Oh yeah, no, I'm running laps around. I'm jogging on the stage. I'm running laps around y'all niggas, man. I might play A.O. Technology and run around the fucking gym. But it goes back far. You know how I feel about that record. A.O. Technology? That's why I said it. That shit was a big song, but I hated that on that tape. She worked the pose. She worked the pose. What? 50 the most simplest. I'm telling you. Turn that off. Love 50, but that record, I hated it. I liked the first four songs on that album, and then after that, I was cool. That's Curtis. Oh, I'm about to say, you were wild. You thought AO Technology was on Get Rich? No, I thought he was saying it off the app. No, I think Massacre is better than Get Rich, though. You said that to me the other week, and nah. What? Massacre, I think, doesn't get... You was locked up when them albums came out. Regardless, what that means? You just had that shit on repeat. You just memorized it. Both of them. I think Massacre is better than Get Rich. He did convince me to have a better appreciation for Massacre once we went through it, because it's been a minute since I listened to Massacre. It's not better than Get Rich, but... It's better than we think it is. Yeah. It was just so commercial at that point. It ain't better than Get Rich. What happened was he gave away some real big songs during that same time too, you heard? So you was hearing them game records and you was like, oh shit. And then when his shit came out, it was like, damn, you should have put those on his tape. You know what I'm saying? But that tape though, if you go through them records, that shit is fire, you son. The massacre, son. I like that better than Get Rich. Better than Get Rich? Yes, I like it better than Get Rich. No, obviously. Okay. once you say you like it better Get Rich has songs on it that like I was in the streets thug into the fucking album came out three years later after I was off of the streets and it's like why is this on here and I'm saying why is this why is this song you can shout running the cops you not like why is this on Get Rich or Die Shrine why okay yeah and I mean Wangsta Wangsta was a year old yeah Paul Little Rich nigga that was a year old already it was songs on there I knew word for word. I'm listening to the album. Niggas is looking at how the fuck you know this? I'm telling you, we just was in the town, riding around, going uptown to this shit every day. Yeah. Yeah, You Not Like Me was like four years old at that point. You Not Like Me was older than that. That's why it's like a bonus record. It's not even. It's another one. Murder. I don't believe it. That's what he had Ja Rule chain on. That's from 99. But they put those as bonus joints just because the rest of the world didn't hear those, which I understand Jimmy Alvin and them doing that. But you did make a good point with Massacre. If you take the records that 50 gave Game off documentary and replace it with the subpar records on Massacre. Now we can have a debate. We can have a real debate about those. Two classics back to back? Oh, easy. Because I think documentary is a classic. And just that run of going from Get Rich to Beg for Mercy, documentary Straight Outta Cashville. Hunger for More. Hunger for More. I think Thoughts of a Predicate Felon is fine. That's a good album too. that you do in three years is find me any record label death row maybe soundtrack the get rich and die trying soundtrack yeah that's all within three to four years 51st five years the best five years in hip hop that's the best first five year run ever in hip hop son I don't care what nobody say and a lot of people disagree with you are probably younger because they weren't there they don't know that it controlled the world name one name a five year run that like All of that shit he just named. It's more shit. You gotta, it's more stuff. You add in a video game. You add in fucking watches, sneakers, clothes. Those was nasty. So what? You add in vitamin water. We wouldn't even have vitamins or water if it wasn't for that era. Vitamin water was trash. Vitamin water was so nasty. That shit tastes like it was in somebody else's mouth already. I never drank that shit. That shit was terrible. But that's why 50 to me was ill because he literally said, I get money. I said, I took quarter water, put it in bottles for two bucks. Coca-Cola came and bought it for billions. 50 knew that shit was trash. Nah, quarter water is better than vitamins. Way better. No, but I could drink the... Quarter water is way better than the grape 50 cent juice. For sure. 50 cent shit was purple, bro. But at this age, I promise you, if you drink a quarter water versus that, we'd like the vitamins. It was called formula 50. Formula 50, yeah. Formula 50 was trash. Nah, give me my little huggy, homie. Yeah, give me the little... Give me my little huggy, B. I'm good on that. The grape quarter water, the one in the back, though. At the back of the fridge. By the fan? Mad cold. Grab that one, because that's going to stay cold until you get back to the block. Formula 50 had like that after you take cough medicine aftertaste. That's kind of what Formula 50 tasted like. That shit was terrible. 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Musically, nobody had the run that Drake has. Cool. But what's up? That's cap. Usually the artist takes like three. Better than Drake first five years musically. Musically? Yes. No, it's not, man. What are you talking about? Music, just music Hell no, how? How, how are you saying that? Just talking music, if you're talking about business And other things outside of the music Cause Get Rich or Die trying The Massacre The soundtrack, Hunger for More The documentary, Thoughts of a Predicate Fell in The Rotten Apple All of this shit come out in the first five years bro Buck the world is fire on the low Buck album Are y'all talking about the success of the music or the quality of the music? That's why. Quality of the music. That first five runs, there was not a bad G-Unit album. Like, they all did the numbers, but if you go back, that's all quality music. Nobody was whack. Nobody had no back shit. It hit records that were actually quality. All of that collectively. Cool. Great shit. Y'all think that what Drake dropped in his first five years is not better than all of that shit you talking about in five years? All right, so do you think Drake first album is better than Get Rich at Dot Ryan? I just don't think it's fair. I think it's an unfair conversation. You think Drake first album is better than Get Rich at Dot Ryan? No, you don't. then it's over. The conversation is over. That's not. Because if your first album is not- Second album. You think his second album better than The Massacre? Yes. Hell yeah. So far gone. His mixtape's So Far Gone. What are we talking about? Well, that wasn't his first album. I'm just talking about his music. It's his second album, right? Thank Me Later is his first album. Thank Me Later is his first album. I'm saying So Far Gone came out, what, the year before Thank Me Later? Because here's the thing, if you want to go with the run, I've said on record, I think you could argue So Far Gone is one of the best mixtapes ever, but it also- So Far Gone is the best mixtape. So Far Gone is the best mixtape ever. Nah. What? So Far Gone? Son, that shit ain't better than G when it is the future than me. Get the fuck out of here. What you mean? Guess Who's Back to me is my favorite mixtape of all time. With that guy, Get Out the Club, bitch? I wish. That's with Get Out the Club, bitch, and all that on it? So Far Gone? Y'all niggas remember what was on So Far Gone? Of course. Yeah. I just wish this was. Successful. That's what made me like Drake. Crazy as hell, man. That mixtape. I first heard Drake. When I first heard the nigga That mixtape is better than Some niggas Entire discographies No a lot of people would say That that's Drake's actual classic Is so far gone I wish it didn't come From you Pauls Cause I've said that When we've just been Arguing mixtapes I think people don't realize That Why you wish it didn't come from me Cause people just Think you're biased And That's all We talking about The music exists The shit is out Like what do we Go listen to it I'm saying when I first heard That nigga Drake on that Um you the best I ain't like that nigga I said, yo, this shit is trash. And by the time I heard that shit on So Far Gone, it seemed like I knew the whole song. You heard? Put the key on the back. I was like, oh shit, this is fire. It's like I never heard it before. But you don't think I knew the whole song? The best mixtape ever? No, I don't want to go for that. Wow. Guess who's back? Rod and Apple. G-Unit, that's what's up. You Not Like Me, 50 Bars, Your Life's on the Line. Half these records made it on Get Rich. Let's just start there. This mixtape, half of it is Get Rich. You Not Like Me, 50 Bars. 50 bars, your life on the line. Get out the club, bitch. Be a gentleman. Fuck you. Too hot with Nas and nature. Who you rep, Nas Bravehearts, Corner Bodega, Ghetto Koran, As the World Turns with Bumbi, Who Kid Freestyle, Stretch Armstrong Freestyle, Do I Freestyle. This is the greatest mixtape of all time. That's better than a Drake mixtape, bro. 50 Cent has the greatest mixtape of all time. You gotta go listen to that. I'm not saying that so far gone is not in a conversation, but this is the greatest mixtape that's ever been put together. I don't know if I'm rolling with that. But that's why this is beautiful to have this conversation because we all have different perspectives and different music that we like. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying besides successful, besides successful and so far going, so far going is flawless. You don't, you, you, you must not be familiar. Well, you need to go, go back and revisit it. So far going shit? If you're even talking about successful, you need to go back and revisit it. Also a weird comparison because I think it's the first mixtape that like really merged from, from an artist itself, not a DJ, that merged R&B and rap the way Drake did on that. So it's a weird Half the album is R&B Yeah that's probably why I'm not gonna jack It's the best mixtape We have in our mind 99.999% We're just talking about music We're just talking about music Just music Forget if it's R&B or rap We're talking about the best body of music on a mixtape But there's a reason why people don't You can't really compare More people would compare it to like Cudi's mixtapes Before they would compare it to Guess Who's Back Or Clue mixtapes Or shit even Wayne's mixtape series But it's a mixtape Dipset mixtape series. Yes, it's a mixtape. I'm just saying it's the best mixtape. I'm not saying it's the best rap mixtape or the best R&B. I'm saying it's the best mixtape. That music on a mixtape, that's better than some albums. What are we talking about? That's all I'm saying. Now, if y'all want to go whether it's the best R&B mixtape or best rap, okay, then we can have that. I'm saying mixtape, period. It's not a commercial album. It's a mixtape. That's a hell of a monkey wrench right there where you just say, okay, it's the best mixtape. I thought we was on some rap shit. Here's the thing. I'm getting pushed back, but I also don't think Maul's completely wrong if you get down to it. The impact that mixtape had, I don't know if there's been a mixtape that had an impact that legitimately, of course, it derived from 808s and heartbreaks, but I don't know if there's been a mixtape that's changed the trajectory of how music sounds the way so far. No, it's definitely rap game after that. It changed how everything operated after that. I tell people that it's rap after Drake. And so that mixtape right there is the one where you say BCAD is really, yeah. It's like music changed. Yeah, I agree there. But yeah, So Far Gone was kind of that. The same way it pivoted with 50 and Kanye going face-to-face and Kanye winning where the nerds beat the streets. That pivot and then right to So Far Gone to me is the next pivot in hip-hop. And then you get to the XXL freestyle of 2015 when it was Yachty and all them. That was the next pivot to me. All us street niggas knew Kanye was going to win that, son. The whole world kind of did And it just We knew that Like it was like Yo 50 was like He was feeling himself more Than anybody else was feeling him At that moment It was like But he had a right to As far as As far as like I feel like you can't be on your dick More than anybody else's On your dick though I feel like you can't do that It sounds like a biggie bar Yeah like you can't do that bro That's a maze ball I actually Rock my own Knock my own shit Like I on my own dick Know what I saying Like you can do that though I feel like that the way he messed up with that I think 50 knew that too 50 got desperate 50 said Jimmy Alvino didn't win shit, nothing. They wouldn't bob a bunch of them shit. You remember right towards the end, the week before everything was dropping, 50 said, if Kanye wins, I'm going to quit rap. So if y'all don't buy my album, just know I'm never rapping again. He knew what was going on. We all knew that 50 was going to lose that. And if you get down, like as much as I like Curtis though you were dealing with graduation like what are we talking about it was just a different moment like that Kanye the world was shifting everything the internet came like everything was different that was the clash of the trolls though Soulja Boy was lit yeah oh hell yeah I don't know if I I don't know about that yeah he was lit in 07 he still was well he popped off earlier but that was like kind of like his prime 07 yeah Crank That Soulja I remember watching all of these videos at the same time Oh my god I'm done with this I'm done with this nigga Did you catch that on that camera? Don't ever see this It's Netflix nigga What the fuck you talking about? Crank that on Netflix You were in jail at that time? Yeah He's only in 18 years I was in jail when he was born in 02 I came home in 2020 Yeah So all this shit we talking about He was locked up I was listening to this shit in jail Everything Everything we talking about Everything He was in jail So you knew how to do the whole You learned how to do the soldier boy in jail Nah I just knew how to do that part Oh that's the Walking out your cell like That's what they used to be doing Yo listen I was in his spouse in Wendy Wendy that's upstate right So it's mad like that's the preference spot For the upstate niggas The buffalo niggas raw So they on different type of time to see these niggas anyway, you heard? Sign. Them niggas used to be coming out this cell. They making fun of the nigga and all that. You, you, that shit was hilarious, you heard? Worried about Bubba, son. Soldier Boy, they was doing a you in prison. Of course he knows that. Stone Cold Killers, yeah. Big Draco was their OG. You the first nigga to have niggas doing your dance in jail, my nigga. Now click that Big Draco Straight up That is hilarious Hit the cell The niggas is doing that Niggas come out They're like You Word to mother That niggas be That little niggas That niggas crying Right Oh my god All that shit was the same time Though like 07 Mims Soulja Boy 50 and Kanye Going at it T.I. You can have whatever you like All that shit was like The same time You remember Sicario? Of course. Sicario. You don't remember Sicario? The magazine, nigga? Nah, nah, nah. Same reason why we was talking off mic with Nas going on that rant about Angie. He used to rap with Angie. He used to rap with Angie Martinez. He rapped a lot like Hov. You remember Sicario. You heard his shit before. I probably got hit. You sounded like Hov. The nigga on B-Mall, Noe. That was with Jim Jones and them, nigga. Oh, yeah. And Billy Baffley. I remember a kid named Billy Bathgate He used to sound just like Ho He used to sound like Every tape that used to come out Mixtape, he used to be on that shit Sounded just like Ho You brought up Billy Bathgate on this podcast before How did that name even Billy Bathgate, niggas don't remember Billy Bathgate I remember everything, son I used to be looking for them niggas I used to want to rhyme against them niggas All them niggas Niggas tell me, yo, J Mills is looking for niggas I'm looking for him He was jumping out in niggas hoods He was looking for niggas He hear you nice. He coming through your hood. His man got the camera. I was uptown looking for them niggas. Yeah. But that's the part of battle rap that niggas don't really talk or know about. Is that when niggas literally go to niggas blocks. Yes. Like I tell niggas like Rex and all of them. They come from that. Like Rex, Moog, Lux. They literally would walk to go to whoever block. Like imagine that. I'm going to somebody's block. 12 of them niggas. 13 of them niggas. And we just standing on the corner. Waiting for a nigga. Like yo, you know such and such? Let me hear something. They don't know how you look or none of that. They could be asking you. Like yo you know Rory Like nah I don't know him Yeah You're like They heard you rap So they're like Yo we don't get his mans And him come back Like yo you was looking for Rory Yeah that's him right there I just asked y'all Yeah Yo what's up I mean shit that was That was Mills and Mook They put it on camera Of what was happening at that point At the state building Yeah That shit was fine That was the first last To me like When I seen that shit One that was on the big screen Of what they were doing When I finally got a chance To see that Yo mind you I got niggas up north That spit all of the battle raps They know every battle rap Yeah They come like You could tell a nigga Anybody you name Like yo T-top Let me hear some T-top shit He know it Like they know everything When I first got a chance To see that shit In front of the state building That's like some shit That I was mad I wasn't around for Classic That's to me Top 5 battle Yeah that's a classic That shit I was looking at that shit Like damn I'm mad I wasn't there With a throwback on Everything Big ass hat Like I was mad I wasn't there That's when Because now Now battle rap is different It's more performative now Now it's like spoken word It's a lot of theatrical You like what they been doing But that kind of derived from Mills and Mook to me from that battle. And even kind of what Sirius Jones and Mook were doing, Lux and Mook were doing. Nah, because when Mills and Mook, that battle, those bars could be tailored for anybody that rap. Yeah, it wasn't specific. Now it's more tailored for the individual they have popped the battle. Yeah, those raps, you saying raps, Mook would have spit the shit at me and my hook. He would have told me them same exact raps in my hook. Right, right. It was a different way. But Mills and Mook, they were saying personal shit. They said his government name in that. No, that was in there. But most of the rap was bars that they could spit at. Oh, no, that's why I'm saying they're the blueprint of the style now from those battles. Because, shit, Sirius Jones and Mook was all about where Mook went to school. Like, even Lux and Mook in that regard. To me, they're the ones, and even how the style is. You don't like what they doing on Beast right now? I don't mind it. I like it a little bit. Yeah, I don't mind. That. I don't know. Battle Rapples. I was just the game out of that shit. How so? it up. I was trying to sick this nigga on this nigga, sick this nigga on that nigga. It was working a little bit. Was you battling? Yeah, it was working. Would you battle? This nigga start talking that suck my dick shit, man. I'm smacking the shit out of you. I ain't playing it. If we gonna battle, you gonna tell me some shit you would've told me in person. Like in a regular conversation. Talk shit, but you tell me to suck your dick on my mom's and I'm slapping the shit out of you, homie. I don't care about how much money that was on this stage and all that. You ain't gonna tell, you ain't getting that off. I ain't playing, yo homie, I don't play sports for certain reasons. Nigga take a cheap shot. We ain't getting, we ain't in the NBA. I ain't playing no, you elbow me and my arm pulled up. Oh yo, we playing basketball. Now I'm popping you over this shit, nigga. That's a cheap shot. You wouldn't have did that. You wouldn't have elbowed me. We was just talking. But now you get to get an elbow. I'm not doing that. So that's why I wouldn't do the bad match. If the understanding is that nobody actually means this shit. It don't matter if we mean it or not. This is my entertainment purposes. Nah, just don't tell me to suck your wee-wee in a wee-eye. Fair, no, fair. You can say what I'm saying. Do your thing. I'm saying, but don't tell me that shit. That's in the contract? Yes. It's a lie item. No, suck my dick bar. I like that shit, yeah. I like that shit. I ain't putting my mind that if he said and I smack the shit out of him, I can still get my money. We all still keep our money. Straight up. Oh, my God. that's hilarious do we have voicemails sponsored by Boost you've got mail best podcast in the world my favorite podcast in the world I watch y'all faithfully what up baby D it's Mitch from Atlanta I just I got 90 seconds so I'm finna just try to hurry up and do this shit but alright so you were a woman for five years you were in a relationship for five years period and you know what I'm saying y'all love each other y'all are best friends y'all done had a whole lot of first experiences together done went to Mexico cruises all kind of shit but during that five years y'all have also been very toxic and y'all drink every time y'all together tequila shots oh it's lit we watching baddies we drinking whatever whatever right so it was one night where she sees a pair of panties in my closet and i you know i confused i thought they were hers but i also have a child too my son's mother She used to live with me like seven, eight years ago, whatever the case may be. So I thought I got rid of all this shit. It's very easy. If a shorty wear medium is very easy to just oversee that little article of clothing, at least that's I mean, that's how I feel. You know what I'm saying? But she she thought it was some new shit. I've never cheated on her in my life and I don't cheat. I don't do that. You know what I'm saying? But she pours piss in my face when she sees these panties. We ain't talked for five, six months after that. Now we're back in each other's lives. And I don't know if I should be doing this right now. Y'all tell me Valentine's Day coming up. I'm trying to figure it out. All right. Well, not cleaning your closet out in over five years. I don't know if there's much difference with piss being on you because you're dirty. Nah. The day was clean. Yeah. You probably didn't go to the back of the closet. It's probably in a box or something in the back of the closet. They started, they were together for five years, which means there was time. It's probably six years. That he's not even Looked in his closet Yeah but if they What if they in the little box In the closet Like the top of the closet Like you just You don't know that they in there Six years? Or he thought Yeah he said he probably overlooked That he could have thought They were hers Yeah he thought they was hers Don't piss in somebody's faces That's some damn shit Let's get to that point in part Fuck them drawers Yeah like fuck them pants Don't piss Hep C Hep C Yeah Piss in somebody's face No I think that's absolutely And like what she Did she piss in the cup Like and then like Or did she scoop it out to have a C felony. Yeah. And MC at the same time. She supposed to not be here no more. Like, you supposed to... That's a different... That's a felony, son. That's a different level of thinking to think about how bad you have to piss and what size cup you grab from the cupboard. Like, nah, this one's too small. I got to really piss. So she put a cup and like squatted over the toilet and then went in the room and threw piss in his face? She could have just peed in the toilet and then grabbed something and scooped it out of the... So it's piss and toilet water. If she diluted it, I ain't as mad. there's fecal matter in the toilet no matter how much you clean it it's worse it's worse yeah scooping the water and the piss out the tub it's worse than I just piss it in the cup they tell you they and he didn't clean his closet in six years I'm sure his toilets aren't up to date yeah I ain't throwing and then he back with her till my valentine's day coming up that thing that thing bite back no no more that thing bite back snapper or niggas just be like insecure I don't know it's one of the other either that pussy fire He's just insecure He's supposed to be in jail He said it's been toxic though So like He likes toxic shit Because he said the relationship was toxic They're always drunk together Like it's one of those But for five years You lived together for five years And all y'all do is take tequila shots And watch baddies You should drop dead Yeah I'm not Oh my god Are you cool today? No I'm talking about how the human body works Oh For five years y'all lived together And all y'all do for five years Is take tequila shots I don't think he's not saying all y'all do He just says usually when we're together We go out, we get drunk a lot. A lot of people's relationships. You said they went to Mexico, cruises. They be doing shit for five years. All of that is null and void. That's null and void. When you throw piss in my face, I don't care how many cruises. Fuck y'all getting into too much other shit. You throw piss in my face, our entire data is deleted. Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk, Text, and Dat. You throw piss in my face, all of that is deleted. Calling for the account number? Yeah, you threw piss in my face? Calling for the account number? You could have slapped me You could have like Throw piss in my face Nah man We not back together Ain't no back together Cause he did all that And it was like So yeah we back together now Valentine's Day is coming He like I feel like I shouldn't be doing this What's I feel like I shouldn't be doing this See I don't live in this world Cause I'm with them all there After someone throws piss in your face What's the first text message Hey How do you even get back together After somebody throws piss in your face You got to come bail me out because I'm in jail. You got black eyes, missing teeth. You bailing me out. We back together. That's the only way that's going to work. Yeah, you think you're going. I don't put my hands on women, B. I don't do that. But if you throw piss on me, you not a lady. Yeah, no, that's not. You assault. That's assault. Yeah, you an animal. Yeah, that's a felony. Yeah, you an animal. If you throw piss on somebody, you can go to jail for that. That's assault in the first degree. That's a fact. bodily fluids? And to keep it even, if a dude threw piss on a girl's face and she stabbed him, I'd be like, well, you should've got stabbed. Yeah, 100%. 100%. I don't think there's another result after throwing piss in somebody's face but violence. Yeah, you can't throw piss. The only thing I can say is make my little sister whip your ass something. You gonna get hurt, though, for that. I'm not holding that down. Yeah, I'm not. I can never look you in your face again and you threw piss in my face. And all they do is drink tequila and watch baddies. I know they're not hydrated. Yellow. That was yellow piss. Yeah, that was that. Yeah. was that vitamin water yellow. Remember the yellow vitamin water? That was that. The energy one? Shit look like beer. Yeah. That shit fizzed up like beer too when they hit him in his face. Shit look like beer. Nigga had wild beer piss bubble sliding down his face. Yeah, apple juice. Man, apple juice. Crazy? Yeah. That is crazy to throw piss in somebody's face. If you're willing to stay with somebody after they, or go back to somebody after they threw piss in your face, y'all probably belong together. Yeah, because you found some panties? Yeah. And you be drunk, they might be y'all. you be drunk all the time you might be yoke you wild and you bugging and we be drunk I would have been in jail you found panties because y'all said it must be in the back end of a closet because it takes six years to find this shit you can't talk your way out of that one yeah I could deal with a lot but a woman throw piss in my face I've never put my hands on a woman a day in my life a woman throw piss in my face I will forget everything my mother ever told me I'm on the side of no matter what Man or woman, you shouldn't spit on nobody. Once spit happens, I feel like it's... Spit, I would have lived with more than piss. Spit, I would have lived with more than piss. I'm saying, I draw the line at somebody spitting on someone. I would have definitely been... Because my mom definitely... Listen, she know I would never... But if a woman spit in my face, my mom would tell me, you're supposed to knock every two-file of her mouth. Your mother's a very kind... My mom was from the hood. My mom was from Holland. If a woman spit in my face, my mom was supposed to knock every two-file of her mouth. Yo, listen. Like me and my brother had the reputation in the hood, right? Hooligans, right? So my little sister, she was on some, like, she a stall on some shit because she know she got two brothers. Them niggas will go to jail. They don't mind going to jail for murder, right? So we used to tell her, though, yo, you got to be careful what you do because some niggas, they don't care about what your brothers and them niggas are doing. At all. You put your hands on, nigga might knock you out. Nigga might break your jaw. So you got to be mindful of what you doing. And clearly, she had no male members in her family to tell her to be. Because I don't know, like down south, he said he was in Atlanta, right? Yeah. Yeah, that country nigga. I'm surprised he ain't dragged her through the woods. Yo, piss? Because you found some panties? You didn't slap him in his face? Yeah, snuff me. Boom, all. You didn't fucking throw bleach on his clothes? You could have did all of that before squatting over the tub or the toilet, peeing in the fucking Tupperware and throwing it in my face. He's from Atlanta. It could be his kink. Nah, hell nah. Beep it too. Throwing piss in my face? nah that's that's that's it's no coming back you back with her you might as well give her everything for Valentine's Day whatever she wants yeah like do whatever yeah they belong together you should have a Valentine's Day with her every month fuck it every 14th for every month you just go spend a bunch of money on her I like that idea yeah buy all kind of chocolates for her yeah yeah yeah you know what I mean get her some water pills though so the next time you do it the shit be clear it don't stink and all of that yeah get some water pills yeah yeah I ain't He better than me, dog. That woman would never be in my presence ever in her life. I think he's better than everybody we've ever met. Yeah, that's, ain't no coming back from that. And he said to me, I never cheated. She must listen to this podcast. I never cheated, never, never. What if he never cheated, though? I don't believe him. Okay. Because why you accept the piss? If you never cheated, you wouldn't have accepted that piss. What if he cheated? That's a good point. Still don't throw piss. What if he love her? What if he really, really love her? It's been five years. Stop looking at me. I'm just saying when we love it. I know love is the most important thing in this world but I feel like urine being thrown in my face surpasses what keeps the planet moving. I feel like love is like any other feeling. Nigga don't be mad forever. Nigga ain't gonna be in love forever. That's a fact. Bitch you bugging throwing piss on me. Straight up. In your face? Nah man. Anywhere on a nigga but in your face? You tasted that? Yeah. You could have peed on my clothes, my bed. You could have did that but you... Nah, peeing on my bed is crazy. throwing piss in my face is crazy you niggas be sitting there getting your faces squirted in all the time now you got a problem I read that in a book and did that I stood up on somebody's bed and pissed all over that bed that's my word cut up some of my shit oh cause she cut your shit up like I ain't have a key you lucky I ain't smear shit everywhere yeah she cut up some nice shit You stood on the bed Stood on that bed Peeing on that shit Video that and all that But as a gentleman You didn't throw piss in her face You just peed on the bed On the pillows All of that shit That's some gallant shit Yeah She gotta get new all of that Get everything new That was a good blanket That shit used to have a nigga Fill it Ew That shit bad Silky smooth That shit was a good blanket I peed on that And the pillow Soft ass pillow Get new shit Yeah Cut my shit up But see that's a retaliation That's a reaction to her cutting up his shit Now if she came home and Cause Zip found NBA soccer under her bed Now he's standing on top of the bed peeing on the bed He violated, he's wrong for that Like yo that could be anybody's soccer right Now only them NBA niggas get them NBA soccer They ain't anybody's soccer bitch Nah you can buy those on the website Yeah You think she's on NBA.com Yeah right You think she's just an avid fan Yeah, it could be. She a Knicks fan. What you mean? That's why she got the Knicks. Big, big tube sock shit come up to your knee, bitch. She's back to your thigh. Nigga that had that on is clearly a 16th thing. What the fuck is you doing? You clearly wearing 16. Can you see the size of that shit? Yo, man. Yeah, no, I ain't gonna lie, homie. That shit, that shit boo right there. Y'all locked in. No, if you go look past, you'll marry her. Yeah, if you go look past her throwing piss in your face. That's what I'm saying. Don't feel wrong. If you look past that That's your soulmate That's your twin flame He could see a video On her phone Of having sex With another nigga He gonna stay down Okay I think that That's a little bit different Than throwing piss In your face Some things Maybe worse to you Other things Maybe worse to other people Them bitches in Atlanta I think there's men That could look at that Video and move on I don't think there's a man That could get pissed Thrown in his face No That's his twin flame The thought of her With another nigga Will probably crush him He should just He'll deal with the piss The thought of piss being thrown in my face would crush me. That's you but not him obviously. I think that's 98% of us men. You throw piss in 98%. We're not going back to that woman. You crazy? Piss in my face? I think niggas are a lot less strict than they pretend to be. Not you. I think you are fully as strict as you say you are. But a lot of men are a lot less strict than they pretend to be. You think I'm letting a girl throw piss in my face and being like yo this my queen? Alright never mind. Yo keep on. We gonna fight. Cool bro. I believe Rory I believe him I never said nothing I know Your silence said everything I was thinking Like damn I can't take the time To think around This motherfucking script He gotta stay with shorty man He gotta stay with Y'all can't leave now Cause now you forever The nigga that Got pissed on your face If y'all break up She gonna go tell her She gonna tell her New nigga that she Yeah Me and my ex bro I mean I found her here She I mean Well all her girlfriends Know for sure She probably had The phone That's pissy Pete Whatever his name is Pissy Pete Put the phone right here Make sure she can see it No his name is Pissy Mitch. Pissy Mitch. Pissy Mitch. Pissy Mitch from Atlanta. Thank you for calling in, man. But in a romantic way, there's nothing they can't beat at this point. No matter what, anything God throws their way, they'll be able to beat it. Yeah, they can beat the 96 Bulls. That love is forever right there. They don't give a fuck. They locked in. You ever see Treacherous Twin? They treacherous twins right there. Real treacherous. Piss in your face and y'all still like this? Valentine's Day hugged up? Nah. Nah. And then have the nervous say, am I bugging? Yeah, you all I'm wilding? Yeah, I'm wilding. We all wilding? My whole boy could tell me, yo, shorty threw piss in my face last night. I'm like, what? Two weeks later, if I see y'all out together? My whole, you a bozo. You might tell on me if some shit go down too. I don't even want to fuck with you no more. You a suck ass nigga, bro. You might be a rat. Nah, I feel like it's the opposite. I feel like he'll stay down through anything. Like he's too loyal. Yeah, it could go that way. You know what I'm going to be like, it's too loyal. Nah, he ain't going to jail and leave that pussy out here. You crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, that's a fact. Now, that's a fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He leaving that pussy out here and going to jail. He ain't going to jail. Ain't no way he going to jail and leaving her underclim. That's not happening. If his mom's smoking. He's telling on everybody. If his mom's get high, yo, the nigga be serving my mom. She be having it. Yeah, all that. He telling on everybody. Fuck out of here. I don't trust niggas like that. Yeah, nah, he right. Zip got a valid point. All right, well. Ironically, I have to piss. Well, you always got to piss, man. You Irish. I piss like every 17 minutes. So it's real good. All right, well, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's it with the drip. Let's get to that. Let's get to that. No worries now. When segregation was a law, one mysterious black club owner, Charlie Fitzgerald, had his own rules. Segregation in the day, integration at night. 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