Casefile True Crime

Casefile Archives 3: Tina Herrmann, Kody Maynard & Stephanie Sprang

68 min
Jan 24, 20264 months ago
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Summary

This Casefile episode documents the November 2010 murders of Tina Hermann, her 11-year-old son Cody Maynard, and family friend Stephanie Sprang in Ohio, along with the abduction and survival of 13-year-old Sarah Maynard. Matthew Hoffman, a 30-year-old with a criminal history, committed the crimes during a burglary that escalated into multiple homicides, with Sarah held captive for four days before police rescue.

Insights
  • Criminal escalation patterns: Hoffman's prior arson conviction and domestic violence incidents preceded his violent crime spree, suggesting law enforcement monitoring of parolees with violent histories is critical
  • Investigative methodology: Security footage analysis, vehicle registration cross-referencing, and witness interviews enabled rapid suspect identification despite initial lack of physical evidence linking Hoffman to victims
  • Survivor testimony reliability: Sarah Maynard's detailed account of her captivity contradicted the perpetrator's confession on multiple material points, highlighting the importance of corroborating victim statements
  • Mental health indicators: Hoffman's increasingly erratic behavior (leaf hoarding, animal killing, boundary violations with minors) preceded the crime, suggesting behavioral warning signs were observable to community members
  • Plea negotiation outcomes: Hoffman's agreement to disclose victim locations in exchange for avoiding capital punishment enabled family closure and victim recovery, demonstrating strategic value of prosecutorial discretion
Trends
Parolee reintegration challenges: Released offenders with violent histories face employment and housing instability that may correlate with recidivism riskCommunity-based crime prevention: Neighbor vigilance and reporting of suspicious behavior patterns contributed to early suspect identificationDigital forensics in criminal investigation: Cell phone records, security footage analysis, and vehicle tracking enabled rapid timeline reconstructionVictim impact statements in sentencing: Survivor testimony and family statements increasingly shape judicial sentencing decisions in violent crime casesCold case investigation techniques: Systematic review of prior criminal records and behavioral patterns can identify suspects in seemingly unconnected crimes
Topics
Violent crime investigation proceduresBurglary escalation to homicideChild abduction and captivity casesCriminal confession reliability and interrogation techniquesParolee supervision and recidivism preventionForensic evidence collection and analysisVictim impact statements in sentencingWitness identification from security footageMental health assessment in criminal casesCommunity safety and neighbor reportingBody disposal and evidence concealmentPlea bargaining in capital casesSurvivor trauma and recoveryDomestic violence as crime precursorVehicle tracking in criminal investigations
Companies
Walmart
Suspect Matthew Hoffman purchased tarps, garbage bags, and supplies at Mount Vernon Walmart location; security footag...
Toyota
Hoffman drove a silver Toyota Yaris used in the crime; vehicle identification and registration records led to suspect...
Jeep
Victim Stephanie Sprang's Jeep Cherokee was used by Hoffman to transport victims' remains to disposal location in woo...
Ford
Victim Tina Hermann's blue 2004 Ford pickup truck was abandoned at Cacosing Gap Trail parking lot by suspect during c...
People
Matthew Hoffman
30-year-old perpetrator who committed three murders and one abduction; prior Colorado arson conviction and domestic v...
Tina Hermann
32-year-old victim and fast food restaurant manager; murdered along with her son during home invasion burglary
Sarah Maynard
13-year-old survivor of abduction and sexual assault; held captive for four days; provided critical testimony against...
Cody Maynard
11-year-old victim; son of Tina Hermann; stabbed and murdered during home invasion; aspiring helicopter pilot and bas...
Stephanie Sprang
41-year-old victim and close family friend; murdered during home invasion; mother of three children
Greg Borders
Tina Hermann's live-in boyfriend; cleared as suspect after alibi verification and physical examination
Valerie Haythorne
Tina Hermann's manager and friend; discovered crime scene after welfare check; initiated missing person investigation
Ron
Stephanie Sprang's partner; last person to speak with victim before disappearance; cleared as suspect
Deputy Aaron Phillips
Sheriff's deputy who encountered Hoffman at Cacosing Gap Trail; documented suspicious behavior that connected suspect...
Robert Scott
Crime journalist and author of 'The Girl in the Leaves'; analyzed inconsistencies in perpetrator's confession
Barbara Herman
Tina Hermann's mother; founded Healing Hearts Memorial Fund to support families affected by violence
Elizabeth Smart
Kidnapping survivor and child safety advocate; participated in 2019 Lifetime special with Sarah Maynard discussing tr...
Quotes
"I'm so proud of what she's accomplished, she's our survivor, and that's what people need to see."
Barbara Herman (Tina Hermann's mother)End of episode
"Knowing that you can never say mom again, it's the worst feeling in the world. They didn't just die, their lives were brutally taken."
Sarah Maynard2019 Lifetime special
"It made me become a really strong woman, it made me become a really strong mother."
Sarah Maynard2019 Lifetime special
"If we see a problem, we don't stand by, we act."
Dr. Rachel Craven (MSF)Sponsor segment
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We appreciate each and every one of you. Our episodes deal with serious and often-distressing incidents. If you feel at any time you need support, please contact your local crisis center. For suggested phone numbers for confidential support and for a more detailed list of content warnings, please see the show notes for this episode on your app or on our website. Valery Haythorn Valery Haythorn managed to derequame fast food restaurant in the small city of Mount Vernon, Ohio. One of her employees was 32-year-old Tina Hermann, a good friend and one of the most reliable people Valerie knew. Tina loved her job and her colleagues and she had never missed a shift or abandoned her responsibilities. So when she failed to show up for work on the afternoon of Wednesday November 10, 2010, Valerie noticed immediately. She tried calling Tina, but there was no answer. Growing uneasy, Valerie drove to the house that Tina shared with her boyfriend Greg Borders and her two children from a previous relationship, 13-year-old Sarah and 11-year-old Cody Maynard. Although Tina worked in Mount Vernon, she lived about nine miles outside town in the plant community of Apple Valley. Something of a resort area, Apple Valley surrounds a 511 acre reservoir named Apple Valley Lake. With rolling hills, tree-dotted landscapes and lakefront homes, it seemed like an idyllic place to raise a family. Tina's house sat on a somewhat isolated stretch of a street called King Beach Drive, with a large wooded area across the road. When Valerie arrived, the inside lights were on and Tina's blue 2004 pickup truck was parked in the driveway, but no one answered the door. She left a note before leaving. Later that evening, still having heard nothing from Tina, Valerie called the county sheriff's office to request a welfare check. A deputy arrived at Tina's house at around 8pm, but by then, the scene had changed. The lights were now off and Tina's truck was gone. The deputy rang the doorbell, but no one answered. With nothing appearing out of place and the missing truck possibly indicating the occupants were simply out for the evening, the deputy left, returning a few hours later at 11.15pm. This time, the lights were on and Tina's truck was back in the driveway, suggesting the family had returned home. The following day of Thursday, November 11, Tina again failed to show up for work. Valerie Haythorne called the sheriff's office immediately. Deputies contacted Tina's children's school and discovered that although Sarah and Cody had attended classes the previous day, they'd been absent on Thursday without explanation. The school had called the family home to check on them, but received no answer. This was a possibly concerning development. Not only was Tina unaccounted for, but her two children were as well. Meanwhile, just a few doors down from Tina's home, another disappearance was beginning to unfold. 41-year-old Stephanie Sprang was one of Tina Herman's best friends. The two women lived on the same street just a few houses apart. They did almost everything together, often helping each other out by babysitting for one another. When Tina failed to show up for work, her manager and friend Valerie Haythorne called Stephanie's house. She was sure that if anyone knew Tina's whereabouts, Stephanie would. But to Valerie's shock, Stephanie's family informed her that they had no idea where she was, bringing the total number of missing persons to four. Stephanie and Tina had made plans to go house hunting together on Wednesday afternoon, before Tina's shift. At 12.46 pm that day, Stephanie had called her partner Ron. They spoke for nearly four and a half minutes, and that was the last time Ron heard from her. Stephanie was usually home by four pm to greet her two younger children after school, but she never returned. None of her three children aged 2017 and nine had heard from her. Ron texted Stephanie asking, what's up, and assumed her phone's battery had died when he received no reply. When Stephanie still hadn't returned by Thursday morning, her loved ones grew worried. Their concern deepened when they learnt that Tina Herman was also missing. As Sheriff's deputy had since driven by Tina's house again, noting that her truck was once more gone. By that afternoon, Valerie Haythorne's worry had grown too great to wait any longer. She and Ron arranged to meet Tina's house. The front door was locked, so Valerie walked around to the back, removed a fly screen, opened a window, and declined inside. The kitchen was silent and still, but otherwise appeared normal. Decurns were drawn, a few cups and water bottles sat on the dining table, bags of groceries lay on the floor, and one of the cabinet doors was open. Valerie moved through the kitchen towards the living area, and was immediately confronted by a shocking sight. The living room carpet was covered in blood. Upon arriving at the scene, authorities quickly sealed off the home and conducted a room by room search. Large amounts of blood were spread throughout. Streaks from the major stain in the living room led down the hallway and into the bathroom, as if a wounded person had been moved and dragged along the floor. A second large stain found in Tina Herman's bedroom suggested another victim had been attacked there, with the drag marks indicating they too had been pulled into the bathroom. In 13-year-old Sarah's bedroom, investigators found another large stain into drag marks, along with blood swipes on walls and doorways consistent with someone wearing gloves. The bathroom contained the heaviest concentration of blood, smeared across the bathtub, shower walls, and toilet, with diluted pools in the tub. Scattered nearby were garbage bags, Chlorox bathroom cleaner, and other cleaning supplies. The bathtub's rim was covered in bloody prints matching the gloved smears found throughout the home. A pair of short grip gardening gloves lay in the sink. Another set of gloves was discovered in the living room. A gallon jug of motor oil was discovered in the hallway with a trail leading to a bedroom. Motor oil had also been deliberately poured over many of the blood stains on the home's carpets. It appeared that oil had been used in an attempt to conceal blood evidence and maybe as a possible accelerant as well. Footprints of blood and motor oil were found throughout the home, belonging to two separate pairs of shoes. One set was believed to be the perpetrators, while the smaller prints matching a size 7.5 air-wark chew likely belonged to one of teen's children. These prints were found on the linoleum leading to the garage and inside the garage itself. Also in the garage, investigators discovered a jeep Cherokee belonging to teen's neighbour and friend, Stephanie Sprang. Friends and family said it wasn't strange for her car to be there, as she sometimes parked it in teen's garage when she visited. As for Stephanie, Tina, Sarah and Cody, none of them were anywhere to be found. Investigators now had to grapple with four missing individuals and a gruesome crime scene that suggested at least one, if not more, murder. Whatever had happened to Tina, Stephanie, Sarah and Cody was estimated to have occurred in the mid afternoon on Wednesday, November 10. That morning, Sarah and Cody had caught the school bus as usual, and after seeing her children off, Tina had gone grocery shopping and filled her car with petrol before driving back home. The bags of groceries she purchased were the ones found on the kitchen floor, and a receipt inside one of the bags was timestamped around 12pm. It seemed likely that Tina had been attacked shortly after returning home, as no one had heard from her since. Stephanie Sprang had then driven to her friend's house, planning to take them both to see an apartment Tina was interested in. Investigators believed that when Stephanie arrived, she too was attacked. The assailant remained in the house for several hours until mid-afternoon when school landed and Sarah and Cody returned home. Then they were confronted too. From the outset, investigators had a possible suspect. When Valerie Haythorn first raised the alarm about Tina Hermann's disappearance, she'd explained that she was concerned because Tina had said she was planning to break up with her live-in boyfriend, Greg Borders. The couple had been experiencing some issues, and Tina had started searching for a place to move out alone with her kids. As the investigation at King Beach Drive continued, Greg Borders arrived at the scene. He explained that he had been away for the past couple of days and hadn't seen Tina since going to bed on the night of Tuesday, November 10, the day before she went missing. Because he worked early shifts and had a long commute, he'd left the house at 3.40am on Wednesday. Greg worked roughly 60 miles away at a retail corporation's distribution center and had spent the entire day there. He said that instead of returning home that night, he had stayed at a france house. Because Greg had Thursday off, he and his friend had planned to play golf. As the friend lived near the golf course, it was easier to stay there instead of making the long drive home. Greg had lost spoken to Tina on Wednesday morning over the phone. Their final communication was a text she sent shortly afterwards, letting him know she had fed their dog, a miniature pincher named Tanner, who was also missing from the property. Greg admitted that he and Tina had decided to break up. Living together hadn't been very comfortable, though it hadn't been hostile either. He explained that his cell phone had been switched off earlier that day, and that he'd only learned about the law enforcement presence at his house after a relative contacted him. Upon receiving that news, he rushed home immediately. Greg gave investigators permission to search the house and agreed to be examined for injuries. They found no scratches or other wounds on his hands, arms, or torso. Although Greg had initially appeared to be a possible suspect, he's allowed for the past two days checked out. Investigators also interviewed Ron, Stephanie's partner, as well as Stephanie's ex-husband and Tina's ex-husband. All were cleared of any involvement in the event's on-king beach drive. Sand dogs and watercraft were dispatched to search up a valley lake for any trace of the missing four, but nothing was found. Investigators checked bank accounts, credit cards, and cell phones for signs of activity, but there were none. Tips from the public about suspicious individuals or potential evidence in the surrounding woods were investigated, but nothing proved irrelevant to the case. As night fell on the first day of the crime scene investigation, a county sheriff's deputy was on a routine patrol in Mount Vernon. At 6.55pm, while driving past the parking lot for a recreational area known as the Geco-Sing Gap Trail, he spotted a blue 2004 Ford pickup truck. It was Tina Hermans. The vehicle was located about a 20-minute drive south west of Tina's home in Apple Valley. Investigators quickly arrived and searched the surrounding area, but found no sign of Tina or the others. This would be the second biggest clue investigators had so far. The first was found in Tina's garage and had been noticed for looking out of place. A Walmart plastic bag containing two six by eight-foot tarp allons, an open pack of 55 heavy-duty garbage bags, and a receipt. The receipt showed that the tarp allons and garbage bags had been purchased at a Walmart store in Mount Vernon in the early hours of Thursday, November 11, along with a turkey sandwich and a T-shirt. This was significant because the attack was believed to have occurred about 12 hours earlier, meaning the bag could not have been left there by Tina or her children. It seemed likely that after assaulting his victims, the perpetrator had gone to buy supplies to cover up the crime, then returned to the King Beach Drive address. The perpetrator revisiting the house after the attack would also explain why it had appeared occupied at certain times, with lights on inside and Tina's pickup truck in the driveway. The perpetrator must have moved Tina Herman's truck to the Cacosing Gap Trail parking lot for some reason. Since motor oil had been poured on various surfaces throughout the home, investigators considered whether the perpetrator had planned to return once more to set the house ablaze, only to be thwarted by Valerie Haethorne discovering the crime scene first. Detectives contacted the Mount Vernon Walmart and learned that the perpetrator had paid with cash, so no credit card information was available. However, they were able to review the store's security footage from the time of the purchase to try and identify the customer. Detectives quickly honed in on one individual scene in the footage. A white male appearing to be between 25 and 40 years old, who left the store at 12.09am carrying a shopping bag containing garbage bags and tarp allons. He was tall around 6'1", with brown hair and a partially receding hairline. He wore a camouflage print shirt and glasses. Tracking him across the security cameras, Detectives saw him walk to the parking lot, get into a silver Toyota Yaris with a visible dent on its rear passenger side, and drive away. Case file will be back shortly. Thank you for supporting us by listening to this episode's sponsors. Howard makes shift operating theatres. Since then, I have trained staff during the conflict in Yemen and help teams build hospitals in Syria and Libya. Each emergency is different, but we are always committed to delivering care to those who need it. That is our legacy, but it is not ours alone. 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Shop the new M&S spring collection online and in store and get set for compliments galore. Love that. Thank you for listening to this episode's ads. By supporting our sponsors, you support CaseFile to continue to deliver quality content. Armed with this new lead, investigators obtained records for all silver Toyota Yaris' registered to mail drivers in the Knox County area. It didn't take long to find a Yaris owner who looked remarkably like the man in the security footage. Matthew Hoffman was a 30-year-old who had renewed his driver's license just two weeks earlier. His new license photo showed a man with short brown hair with a receding hairline. He wasn't wearing glasses like the suspect was, but license photos from earlier years did show him with glasses on. Most remarkably of all, in the new photo, he was wearing a camouflage t-shirt that looked identical to the one worn by their suspect. Investigators had two possible addresses for Matthew Hoffman on file. One was his mother's home in Apple Valley on Apple Valley Drive. This address was just half a mile from Tina Herman's home. The other address was about 10 miles away in Mount Vernon. It was a rundown house that Hoffman had purchased cheaply the previous year. Records showed that Matthew Hoffman had a checkered past. Although he'd grown up in Ohio, he relocated to Colorado as a young adult in the year 2000. His grandmother lived in the resort city of Stingboat Springs and Hoffman joined her there. He found work as a plumber's assistant, but began committing crimes in his spare time. Hoffman stole several large wooden and metal signs that stood on the outskirts of Stingboat Springs, welcoming visitors to the town. He also burglated a condo that his plumbing company had performed some repairs in, storing the burglated items in the condo owner's car before driving away in the car and leaving it somewhere for safekeeping. Hoffman knew that he'd left his fingerprints all over the condo and believed he had to cover his crime. He returned to the residence and used 10 gallons of gasoline that he'd purchased at a Walmart to set it ablaze. The fire spread across the entire condominium and the 16 individuals who lived there had to run for their lives. Luckily, all survived and were unharmed, but eight units within the condominium were burnt and to the damage was estimated at $2 million. It didn't take long for investigators to realise where the fire had started. When they found the car that Hoffman had stolen filled with items from the burnt out condo and his fingerprints, they questioned him and obtained a full confession. Hoffman pleaded guilty to a range of charges, including breaking and entering, property theft, motor vehicle theft and reckless endangerment of lives. He was sentenced to eight years in prison. While incarcerated, Hoffman became known as a model prisoner. He completed some studies as well as a victim awareness programme. Hoffman was granted parole six years into his sentence and was permitted to return to his home state of Ohio for his parole period. He was back in Knox County by 2007, three years before the attack at Tina Herman's home. He found work as a tree trimmer, purchased a house and got a girlfriend. That relationship had recently ended and his girlfriend had moved out. About three weeks earlier on Sunday, October 24, she had returned to Hoffman's home to collect some of her belongings and the two got into an argument. Hoffman's girlfriend would later file a police report stating that when she tried to leave, Hoffman pushed her over a chair, knocked her to the ground and began to choke her. She struggled to fight him off for about two minutes, after which point he let go. She left and reported the incident to the police, though she later declined to press charges. Investigators looking into Hoffman reviewed a report from a past domestic violence incident, as well as another record of a more recent run-in with the law. Sheriff's deputy Aaron Phillips was the officer who had discovered Tina Herman's Ford pickup truck abandoned at the Cacosing Gap Trail parking lot. At the time, deputy Phillips noticed the just one other vehicle nearby. A silver Toyota Yaris parked about 200 yards away. A man was visible in the driver's seat and the car had a noticeable dent on the rear passenger side. Deputy Phillips approached the man, finding his presence unusual. The lot was technically closed at that hour and the deputy wasn't sure why he was there. He asked to see the man's license, which identified him as Matthew Hoffman. Hoffman was cooperative, answering questions politely. When deputy Phillips saw Hoffman's license listed his mother's address in the Apple Valley area, he asked if it was near King Beach Drive. Hoffman explained it was his mother's address. And that he actually lived in Mount Vernon. When asked why he was sitting in the car, Hoffman replied that he was waiting for his girlfriend to finish her shift at a nearby hotel. Deputy Phillips informed Hoffman that the parking lot was closed and that he would need to leave. Hoffman complied and drove away. The interaction was recorded in deputy Phillips notes, which became available to other investigators when they ran Matthew Hoffman's name a few days later. One detail that had seemed insignificant to Phillips, immediately alarmed the investigators working the King Beach Drive case. Hoffman had said he had only just started dating his girlfriend and didn't know her surname. But her first name, he said, was Sarah. The evidence against Matthew Hoffman was mounting and his troubling reference to Tina's 13-year-old daughter, Sarah Maynard, made locating him urgent. Investigators were granted a search warrant for Hoffman's house. A team of investigators joined by members of the county sheriff's office and the Mount Vernon Police Department SWAT team arrived at the residence. Given the possibility that four missing people were being held inside, they opted for a no-knock entry using a battering ram. After the front door was forced open, one of the investigators tossed in a flash grenade as a distraction. Then the team swarmed in. Matthew Hoffman was discovered a sleep on a couch in the living room. He was told to show them his hands, but he failed to do so, either because he was groggy upon being woken or as a deliberate act of defiance. What's going on, Hoffman asked. You tell me one of the officers replied, Investigators approached and forced Hoffman down on the floor before arresting him and removing him from the property. With their suspect secured, the team turned their attention back to his house. There was something bizarre about it that was immediately noticeable. The floor of the room that sat to the right of the front door had a tarp spread out across it, and the tarp was almost entirely covered by dead leaves. Piles and piles of them had been strewn across the floor and almost up to the window sills. They were about three feet tall at their highest point. Some plastic bags were scattered about as well. The rest of the house was equally odd and in a general state of disarray. A large trampoline had been pushed up against the wall. There was disused exercise equipment piled up in a corner of another room. There wasn't much in the way of furniture and various belongings were scattered messily throughout the house. One bedroom upstairs looked to have been set up as a cannabis growing operation, though it was inactive. Inside a freezer, officers found two dead squirrels stacked alongside some popsicles. Strange drawings were painted on some of the walls and other surfaces. One showed a middle aged man with a tap emerging from his mouth. Another depicted a tree trimming truck. There was a giant peace sign on the door as well as stars and random names scribbled on the walls in marker. The investigate is used sticks to poke at the leaf pile near the front door to make sure nothing untoward was hidden beneath. There was nothing but leaves inside. That wasn't the only room featuring a bizarre tablo. In the bathroom, more than 110 plastic bags stuffed with the dead leaves had been stacked on top of one another. They lined every wall of the room surrounding the toilet, covering the mirror and reaching up to the ceiling. Another room also had a wall covered in similar bags. The leaves seemed to be the home's consistent decorating theme. Throughout the house, there were bags full of them and loose ones lying on the floor. Investigators searched every room and the attic but found no trace of Tina, Sarah, Cody or Stephanie. Then one patrol officer noticed a basement door hidden behind a cabinet. He shoved the cabinet out of the way and another investigator slowly proceeded down the basement stairs. To the immediate left of the stairs was another room. It had a large white hole in its block wall that was big enough for a person to step through. There was enough light in the space for the investigator to make out another enormous pile of leaves in the small room. Several blankets had been placed on top of the pile and on top of those was a person lying down. The investigator shone a torch on the person and shouted for them to show their hands. The small figure sat up but couldn't show her hands. They were wearing black work gloves and had been duct taped together, then bound even tighter with yellow bungee cords. Cords had been wrapped around her ankles as well. The investigator recognized the individual as 13-year-old Sarah Maynard. Wednesday, November 10, 2010 had started out like an ordinary day for Sarah. She had breakfast with her brother Cody and then they both caught the bus to school. They rode the bus home together as well and as they headed up to their house's front door, everything looked normal. When they entered, however, they could immediately sense something was wrong. The children always removed their shoes after returning home but as they went to do so, they noticed the blood by the front door. The house was also strangely quiet. Their mother Tina typically greeted them when they came home. Sarah and Cody both caught out to their mother. There was no reply. Instead, a large man suddenly appeared from the hallway and barrelled towards them. It was Matthew Hoffman. Stund and terrified, Cody turned and went to run out the front door. Sarah managed to slip past Hoffman and raced to her bedroom, slamming shut its door. She scrambled to find her cell phone and was about to call 911 when Hoffman burst in and grabbed her. He was holding a large knife. Sarah struggled and the knife cut one of her fingers. Hoffman then cut the electrical wire from a nearby fan then used it to bind Sarah's hands together. He threatened to kill her if she made any noise. Hoffman gagged Sarah with a piece of fabric and carried her down to the basement. There he found more rope to tie her legs together and a pillowcase that he threw over her head. Finally finished with tying and blindfouling her, he carried her back up stairs and put her on the kitchen floor. The pillowcase slipped off but Sarah couldn't see what Hoffman was doing. He was no longer in her line of sight. She could hear him rummaging about and coming and going. He moved between the kitchen and the bathroom. Sarah could hear water running in the bathroom and the toilet being flushed repeatedly. Sometimes there were banging noises. As the hours stretched on, the house became dark and Hoffman switched on some lights. Whenever he returned to the kitchen to get more supplies, he sounded out of breath. Finally, Hoffman approached Sarah, warning her again not to make any noise. He blindfouled her again and carried her out to Stephanie Springs Jeep in the garage, placing her in the back seat and covering her with blankets. Hoffman then backed the Jeep out of the garage and drove for a little while. He left the car, warning Sarah to stay where she was and not move. She eventually sat up and the blindfold fell slightly, allowing her to see that he parked the car at a nearby baseball field. Next to her were some large garbage bags. Hoffman was gone for over an hour. When he eventually returned, he moved Sarah from Stephanie's Jeep into a smaller car parked nearby. He'd seemingly left Sarah to retrieve his own car. He then drove her to a house and carried her inside to the bathroom. It was late at night now, close to 12am. Hoffman made sure Sarah was tightly tight up, then he left to the house, leaving her lying on the bathroom floor. Sarah was terrified. She drifted in and out of sleep over the following hours, though she was plagued by nightmares. But the time Hoffman returned, it was morning. When he came to check on Sarah, she tried to chat to him as a way of hopefully making him sympathise with her. She asked about the drawings on the wall and he explained that they were of various characters. When Hoffman took Sarah out of the bathroom, she saw all the bags of leaves and asked about them. Hoffman replied that they were for insulation. Sarah then tried to ask about what had happened at her house. She asked Hoffman if he'd broken in and if he'd murdered her mother and brother. His answer to both was no. Sarah queried what he'd done with her dog, Turner, as she'd noticed, Turner hadn't barked the entire time she'd been there. Hoffman said he'd let the dog out of the house. He gave her some cereal to eat but the milk was off and made Sarah feel sick. That was the only food Hoffman ever provided her with. At some point, Hoffman blind folded and gagged her again and put her in a closet. Sometimes he would go out leaving Sarah in the house alone but she was so tightly restrained that there was no possibility of escape. Eventually, Hoffman created a makeshift bed for Sarah in the basement using dead leaves. He layed four or five blankets on top and placed Sarah on them. He removed her blindfold but it was so dark down there that she couldn't see much. Sarah spent hours and hours in the basement by herself. Sometimes though, Hoffman would come down to visit her. He would just stand there staring at her and not saying a word. Then he'd head back up stairs. Whenever he went out, he warned Sarah that someone else would be watching her and she wasn't to make a sound. Sarah did, as Hoffman said, the basement was called to spite the blankets and she was stuck there without food or a toilet. She spent the next two days down there all alone except for the brief occasions when Hoffman would come down to look at her. It was difficult to tell how much time was passing due to the dark state of the basement. On Saturday, November 13, several days after the attack, Hoffman spent more time at home during which time he sexually assaulted Sarah. During one visit to Sarah, Hoffman gave her a dictionary and made her look up the word ransom. He explained that was what he planned to hold her for and he might release her by Christmas. Sarah's ordeal was finally interrupted early on the morning of Sunday, November 14, when a police officer descended the stairs into the basement and a shona torch in her eyes. The officers immediately recognized the young girl with long blonde hair as Sarah. She was still wearing the same jeans, grey hooded sweatshirt and dug boots that she'd worn to school several days earlier on Wednesday, November 10. The officers took photographs of Sarah in the basement as evidence of how they had found her while speaking reassuringly to the young girl. Then they carefully untied Sarah and told her stand. Sarah told the officers that she didn't know where any of the other missing people were. She seemed dazed and disoriented, telling the police that she had to get to school. Sarah was taken to a hospital for medical care and told the police about everything that had happened up until that moment. When asked if she knew who Hoffman was or had ever seen him before the day of the attack, she said no. She had no idea why he would want to hurt her family. Case file will be back shortly. Thank you for supporting us by listening to this episode's sponsors. Stay ahead of scams at gov.uk slash stop think fraud. Hey guys, it's Zoe and Georgia from The May by Momas Podcast and we are currently sponsored by MNS. Love that. Georgia, can I just take a moment to say I absolutely love your style today? You look at 10 out of 10. Absolutely gorgeous and glowing. Thank you. I love that. Listen, getting a compliment makes such a difference and there's definitely something extra special about getting a compliment on your style. Well, this is where MNS come in with their new spring collection. It's full of complement worthy must-haves that are sure to get noticed. Exactly, bag your favorite stars and watch the compliments start rolling in. Love that. Shop the new MNS spring collection online and install and get set for compliments. Love that. Thank you for listening to this episode's ads. By supporting our sponsors, you support Case file to continue to deliver quality content. The Investigators conducted a thorough search of Matthew Hoffman's car and house as well as taking photographs of what they found there. They uncovered a camouflage shirt identical to the one Hoffman had worn on the Walmart CCTV footage and they discovered a digital camera that had photographs of Sarah Maynard on it. All of the photos had been taken at Hoffman's house. Other items of interest found included rope, duct tape, several cell phones, $1,000 in cash, a weighted blackjack club like the kind used by police and an SOG brand knife with a sheath. Records showed that Hoffman had ordered the knife online quite recently. Receipts were also recovered that showed Hoffman had purchased a pair of sure grip gloves, the same as the ones found in Tina Herman's house at a nearby hardwares store almost a week before the crime. Four days later, he'd bought duct tape and a second pair of gloves. No trace of the three still missing victims was found but some of Hoffman's neighbours were able to provide more information about him and his habits. Donna Davis lived next door to Hoffman and when he'd first moved in with his girlfriend in 2009, she found him friendly enough. Hoffman's girlfriend had a young son and Donna's own son would often go next door to watch television or play football with him. Donna felt comfortable with her son spending time at the Hoffman residence. But that changed around mid 2010 when Matthew Hoffman started behaving strangely. He seemed irritable and was no longer as friendly. He started setting traps for squirrels that frequented his yard so that he could kill and eat them. This upset Donna who had enjoyed feeding the squirrels with her children. A turning point came when Hoffman gave Dauners 14-year-old daughter a lift home from the movies one day, something he'd done a number of times without incident. Dauners' daughter told her that Hoffman hadn't driven the main road home. He'd taken them through back roads and wooded areas instead. After that, Dauner no longer allowed her children to have anything to do with Hoffman. Dauner also had the sense that Hoffman was abusive towards his girlfriend who had been friendly and outgoing but had become increasingly reserved and seemed to sneak out of the house when she wanted to leave. The girlfriend left with her son in October. Hoffman was fired from his tree trimming job not long after that after he made his supervisor feel uncomfortable. Unable to pay his bills, his electricity was cut off just weeks before winter. Hoffman appeared to take solace in trees. Dauner often saw him sprawled out in a hammock he had in a tree. There was also a large tree on his property that he loved to climb. He would sit high up in its branches for hours at a time. Neighbors told investigators about Hoffman's habit of taking walks in some woods nearby. This area was cordoned off for a proper examination. While a large number of investigators were processing the scene at Hoffman's house, two officers headed into an interrogation room with Hoffman at the county's sheriff's office headquarters. He was repeatedly asked where Tina, Cody and Stephanie were. He said nothing and just gazed downwards towards his hands that were cuffed in his lap. Eventually, Hoffman looked up and made eye contact with the interviewing officers. He raised his hands to his chest and made a fist with his right hand before wrapping it four or five times against his heart. Then he cupped both hands together and made a gesture like an explosion. Hoffman Hart Hertz, one of the officers' guests. I don't understand sign language, Matt. Hoffman wrapped on his heart again and then made a snapping gesture. When asked if he was saying his heart was broken, Hoffman gave a small nod. The interrogation went on for hours but Hoffman refused to speak. Finally, an agent from the Bureau of Criminal Investigation stepped in to try. Hoffman began speaking to him after just 15 minutes, telling him that he didn't know what had happened. He'd come home on Thursday to find Sarah Maynard tied up in his basement with no knowledge of how she'd gotten there. Hoffman admitted that he must have done something wrong but hadn't been able to piece everything together. He claimed to have taken care of Sarah after discovering her, despite having no idea who she was. Investigators didn't believe this story for a second. Hoffman continued to maintain it before again lapsing into total silence. Detectives concluded the interrogation. They picked it up again the following day of Monday, November 15, with similar results. Hoffman mostly refused to talk and when he did speak, he would not do so on the subject of Sarah Maynard and the missing people. One investigator offered to drive Hoffman to some locations associated with the crime, suggesting that it might help him remember what had happened. Hoffman agreed, but the drive amounted to nothing. Meanwhile, members of the police and public were searching up or valley and the surrounding area for any trace of the missing victims. Some people phoned in a tip line to report sightings or possible evidence. None of these led to the discovery of Tina, Cody or Stephanie. With no trace of them at either Hoffman's house or his mother's home nearby, investigators were beginning to conclude that all three were almost certainly dead. On the morning of Tuesday, November 16, an agent from the Bureau of Criminal Investigation took Hoffman into an interrogation room for questioning again. First, Hoffman insisted on having all recording equipment switched off. Then he asked to go to the bathroom. Once there, he asked the agent to remove any recording devices he had on him, prompting the agent to hand over his two cell phones to another officer outside of the room. Hoffman then told the agent that he'd had a disturbing dream the previous night. In it, he'd been at a food processing plant where he opened up a garbage bag and saw human remains inside. Upon waking, his memory of what had happened slowly started returning to him. Hoffman said he wanted to write his confession down and then the agent should take him on a drive somewhere. During the drive, Hoffman would pretend to escape so the agent could shoot him. Hoffman said he wanted things to unfold this way because he couldn't live after remembering what he'd done. The agent could make Hoffman's confession public once he was dead. Hoffman added that if the police wouldn't kill him, then he would kill himself in jail. The agent said he could not agree to this plan, but encouraged Hoffman to relieve his guilt by confessing. Hoffman clamped up once again. He was placed on suicide watch and monitored closely. Two more days passed before there would finally be a break in the case. Hoffman told investigators that he would disclose where Tina, Cody and Stephanie were if prosecutors took the death penalty off the table. A deal was struck and at around lunchtime on Thursday, November 18, a team of investigators, along with Hoffman's attorney, drove out to a wooded area about 15 minutes drive north of Mount Vernon. The woods were part of a large public wildlife area with hiking trails and a lake popular with swimmers and fishermen. The team drove about half a mile along a winding path, then had to walk on foot into the woods. They found what they had been told to look for by Matthew Hoffman. A tall American beach tree about 60 or 70 feet high. It had healthy living branches at the top, but the main part of its trunk appeared to be hollow. This was a common feature of beach trees. There was a large hole in the trunk about 30 to 40 feet off the ground, as well as a smaller hole at about 5 and a half feet high. A sniffer dog, the investigators brought with them, did not alert at the tree, which had a thick trunk. But when one of the investigators shone a torch into the smaller hole, they saw what appeared to be several garbage bags inside. A tree expert was summoned to cut into the tree with a chain saw without damaging the evidence inside. Once all of the garbage bags were removed from the trunk, investigators opened them up. Inside were several bloodstained towels, a hat, clothing and shoes, as well as the remains of Stephanie Spring, Tina Herman, her 11-year-old son Cody, and the family dog, Tana. The three victims had all been stabbed with a heavy duty serrated blade, consistent with the knife found in Hoffman's home. Their bodies had been dismembered and then hidden inside the tree. Matthew Hoffman provided a detailed confession. In early November he'd been feeling angry and destructive after he lost his girlfriend and his job in quick succession. He had a long been someone who enjoyed breaking into other people's homes and decided to do so once again on the night of Tuesday, November 9. He had previously noticed to the house where Tina Herman and her children lived as it was a short walking distance away from his mother's home. Hoffman was aware that the house's garage door was broken and couldn't close all the way. So just before midnight Hoffman got into his Toyota Yaris and drove from his home in Mount Vernon to Appalve Valley. He parked in the nearby town of Howard, then walked from his car to Tina Herman's home, which was about two and a half miles. Hoffman set himself up in the wooded area across the street from the house and slept in a sleeping bag he'd brought with him. By the time he woke up the following morning, Tina's boyfriend Greg Borders had left for work and only Tina's Ford pickup remained in the driveway. Hoffman waited for her to leave too and once the coast was clear at around 10.30am, he crossed the street and slid under the partially closed garage door. Inside the garage was a door that led to the interior of the house. Hoffman kicked his way in, checked that no one was in the residence and began looking for easy items to steal, like jewelry and cash. He didn't find much but got a thrill out of being in someone else's home while they were gone. He grabbed a purse and put some items of expensive jewelry in it, a gold necklace and two rings. Hoffman said he was just getting ready to leave when Tina Herman returned home at 12.30pm. This meant Hoffman had spent about two hours lurking inside the residence. Hoffman said that when Tina returned, he was in a back bedroom and consequently trapped. He's only way out without discovery would have been to smash a window and climb out. Instead of doing that, Hoffman pulled out a large knife that he'd brought with him, quote, for a certain amount of intimidation, in case I ran into someone and needed to make an escape. Hoffman was also armed with a blackjack club. When Tina walked into the room, Hoffman said he forced her to lie face down on the bed. He claimed his intention was to knock her out and he hit her in the back of the head a couple of times with the club. Tina did not pass out and Hoffman began to panic. At that same moment, he claimed a second woman, Stephanie Spring, walked in and discovered the scene. She shouted at Hoffman, who said this only made him panic further. He picked up his knife and stabbed Tina. Then he chased after Stephanie, whom he said had run away into Sarah's bedroom. Hoffman stabbed Stephanie, killing her, then returned to Tina to stab her further. He claimed that after this, he continued wondering the house in a days, realizing what a terrible thing he'd done. Still, he didn't leave. When the family dog started barking repeatedly, Hoffman killed it as well. Hoffman decided to get rid of the bodies and burn the house down. He said he dragged both women to the bathroom where he dismembered them and placed their remains in garbage bags. Hoffman described these actions as him processing the bodies. As he was doing so, Sarah and Cody arrived home from school and called out for their mother. Hoffman raised towards them, immediately stabbing Cody as he turned to run from the house. Then he went after Sarah. Hoffman said that he couldn't bring himself to kill her. Instead, he duct taped her with tape he'd found in the house. Though Sarah said they hadn't had any duct tape and people who knew Hoffman said he'd typically kept some in his car. Hoffman disposed of Cody as he had the two women. When he was done, he placed the garbage bags in the back of Stephanie's Jeep, along with Sarah, and parked the vehicle in a baseball field. Hoffman left Sarah and the victim's remains in the Jeep while he walked to the parking lot where he'd left his Yaris, then drove it back to the field. After driving Sarah to his home and restraining her there, he napped for a little while. Just after midnight, he went to Walmart to purchase supplies and headed back to Stephanie's Jeep with the garbage bags still inside. Hoffman drove the Jeep to the wooded area with the hollow tree, a tree he'd already known about. At around 2.30am on Thursday, November 11, he lowered the bags with the remains into the tree, then headed back to Tina's house to leave Stephanie's Jeep there. His plan was still to burn the house down, so he took Tina's pickup out to buy gasoline. But he struggled with the driving the car, which he said wouldn't stay in gear. Abandoning his plan, he left Tina's pickup in a parking lot, then walked back to where he'd left his own car and drove home again. He wanted to try again that night, but was once again foiled after a deputies spotted him parked near Tina's pickup. Scared that law enforcement must have discovered the crime scene at King Beach Road, Hoffman decided against burning their house down. He did start a bonfire in his own backyard, however, where he burnt the shoes he'd been wearing during the crime. None of his neighbors reported this as they were used to Hoffman doing strange things. Hoffman also went back to Appel Valley one last time, as he'd left his sleeping bag in a backpack in the woods across from Tina Hermann's house. While sneaking around in the woods to get them, he spotted the heavy police presence over the road. None of them saw him. A number of Hoffman's claims contradicted Sarah Maynard's account of her ordeal. He claimed he'd made her breakfast, gave her hamburgers, and let her shower. He'd done her laundry so she could wear clean clothes and they watched movies together. He even let her play video games. Sarah refuted all of this. Hoffman denied sexually abusing Sarah, instead claiming it had been consensual. This was patently false. Hoffman said he'd intended to slowly give Sarah more and more freedoms before eventually letting her run away. He claimed that when the police showed up at his house on Sunday November 14, he was intensely relieved that Sarah would be reunited with her family. Investigators believed Hoffman was lying about a number of details in his confession. They queried why he had decided to knock Tina out instead of simply restraining her before escaping. Hoffman said that had been his ultimate intention until Stephanie walked in. Investigators also asked why he hadn't left right after killing the two women. As Sarah and Cody's belongings were strewn across the house, he must have known children lived there and would be coming home from school soon. Hoffman said he thought school finished later than it actually did. Crime journalist and author Robert Scott wrote a book about Hoffman's crime titled The Girl in the Leaves. In it, Scott pointed out how what it was that Hoffman claimed Stephanie Sprang had tried to escape from him by running into Sarah's bedroom. Stephanie was very familiar with the layout of the house and would have known that fleeing to Sarah's bedroom would have trapped her inside as there was no way out from there. Robert Scott pointed out that Hoffman might have been lying about this and that he had actually dragged Stephanie into Sarah's room to kill her. While the prosecuting attorney confirmed that they believed Hoffman's essential claim that the murders and abduction followed from a burglary gone wrong, others have suggested that Sarah may have been Matthew Hoffman's intended target all along. This is a theory shared by Sarah's father in Robert Scott's book. If Hoffman had been by the house previously and knew it well enough to note the broken garage door, perhaps he'd seen 13-year-old Sarah there before. If he went to the house intending to abduct Sarah, it would explain why Hoffman remained there after deciding there was little worth stealing, hanging around long enough for Tina to return home. Moreover, the jury that Hoffman had stashed in a purse and supposedly intended to steal was found abandoned in the garage. Hoffman had previously exhibited concerning behavior towards other young girls, such as when he drove his neighbor's daughter home through back streets and wooded areas. It seemed likely that weather planned in advance or not, after realizing that Sarah lived at the King Beach Road residence, Hoffman might have decided to take her. In an episode of the A&E Television Networks program in Terrogation Row, a forensic psychologist discussed the bizarre state of Matthew Hoffman's home. He described Hoffman's obsessive collecting of leaves as indicating a desire for camouflage and possibly pointed at Hoffman having a mental health disorder. It has never been confirmed whether or not Hoffman was diagnosed with any mental illness. However, shortly after he's arrest, he stated that he did not want to be injected with Thorazine, a drug that is primarily used in the treatment of psychotic disorders. Matthew Hoffman was charged with a range of felonies, including three counts of aggravated murder, three counts of gross abuse of a corpse, aggravated burglary, tampering with evidence, and kidnapping and a sexual assault. He pleaded guilty to wall charges and was sentenced less than two months after committing the crimes. A number of family members and friends delivered victim impact statements in which they spoke of their devastation and trauma following the brutal murders and how Hoffman's actions had left them feeling terrified and unsafe. Stephanie Sprang's daughter, who was 17, said that the pain she was having to endure was unbearable. I never thought I'd lose her and become completely helpless. Everyone tries to help me, but no one can help like her. She knew what to say and how to say it. Sarah Maynard was present for the sentencing as well, facing the men who had killed her mother and brother, than kidnapped her for the first time since she'd been rescued. She had written a statement of her own which was read aloud by the prosecuting attorney. It told of Sarah's grief at losing her mother, her brother and her dog, as well as Stephanie, who had always looked after Sarah and Cody whenever Tina needed. Sarah found herself plagued with fear that somebody else might try to harm her, as well as intense sorrow that she would never see her family members again. She ended her statement by trying to focus on the good things, writing, some memories of Cody. He was a left handed pitcher and he was really good. A whole bunch of people always told him how good a player he was. In life, he wanted to be a helicopter pilot in the coast guard. Some memories of mum. She always made sure we were happy and she went out and did stuff with Cody and me, even though she didn't have that much money. She was a really caring woman, and when someone needed help, she would take her time to go help them. She loved dolphins and sunflower's. One thing she said to me, Sarah, when I die, I want you to send me with the dolphins. Sarah's statement concluded by explaining that while she had started a new school and was very happy there, Matthew Hoffman was about to go to a new place too, where he would be the one living in fear. The judge sentenced Hoffman to life in prison without the possibility of parole. In the days after Tina Herman, Cody Maynard and Stephanie Sprang were found, a makeshift memorial was established at a tree near Tina's home. Friends of the victims, as well as members of the public touched by their story, left teddy bears, balloons, flowers, baseballs, handwritten cards, and candles as mementos for the murdered trio. Purple ribbons also became a symbol of the public's shared grief, with the dozens of them tired to the tree's branches. Those who had loved the victims spoke about how special they had been. Stephanie Sprang had been someone who always had a smile on her face. She loved singing rock songs, was vivacious and lived life to the fullest. Tina Herman was described as courageous and energetic. She took delight in life's simple pleasures and loved being a mother. Cody Maynard was remembered as a gentle and client-hearted child who adored baseball and other sports. He had been especially close to his big sister, Sarah, and was protective of her despite being two years younger. On the night of Friday, November 19, a memorial was held at Apple Valley Lake. Members of the victims' families, along with friends, community members, and volunteers who had hoped to search for them, let tea candles, then set them on the surface of the lake to float away. A reverent from a local church addressed to the crowd, stating, In the years after Sarah Maynard's ordeal, she struggled to return to regular life, attending school, being in social situations, and making friends was difficult. The loss of her mother and brother increased the trauma she was already experiencing from her own victimization. Sarah found some comfort in adopting a new dog named Elsa, who was one of the police dogs that had hoped in the search for Tina, Cody, and Stephanie. Sarah found a way to pay tribute to her family members by working with the Healing Hearts Memorial Fund, a charity led by Tina Herman's mother that raised funds for families affected by violence. Sarah's grandmother, Barbara Herman, told the Columbus Disbatch that Sarah had lost her two best friends. Sometimes Barbara could see her own daughter Tina shining through Sarah. Barbara told the newspaper, I'm so proud of what she's accomplished, she's our survivor, and that's what people need to see. In 2019, Sarah featured on a lifetime special program called Smart Justice, speaking with kidnapping survivor and child safety advocate Elizabeth Smart and a panel of other survivors about her ordeal. Sarah, who was now in her 20s and a mother herself, said that her grief and trauma had changed her in both good and bad ways, knowing that you can never say mom again, it's the worst feeling in the world, Sarah said. They didn't just die, their lives were brutally taken. At the same time, Sarah believed that she was a stronger person for surviving and rebuilding her life as she had. Quote, it made me become a really strong woman, it made me become a really strong mother. My name is Dr Rachel Craven, I'm an anesthetist and trustee of MedSansal Frontier. During my time with MSF, I have worked alongside other doctors, nurses and surgeons to deliver medical care, wherever it is needed most. If we see a problem, we don't stand by, we act. My MSF career began in the wake of the Indonesian tsunami, where I helped deliver emergency surgery in generator powered, makeshift operating theatres. 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