#637: Beating The System At Its Own Game | Christopher Gronski

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It is impossible to catch him by himself. There's always a crowd around him. Everybody wants to know what he's working on. If you don't want to pay taxes anymore, but you want to do it the legal way, and of course that's the only way to do it, I got something for you, so check this out. So please enjoy this episode with great Christopher Gronsky. All right, well, it's good to have Christopher Gronsky with us here. Let's start where we ended in Mexico because right after I left on the Saturday before everything got crazy and I got home, and then I was on the group telegram chat, and I was seeing what was happening when the bombings kicked off, but the videos, I downloaded a couple of videos and they said Gronsky on it. Were they your videos from? I was probably in my son's video. He had, they walked out and went from our hotel that went, I think, out to the right, and then they went into some shopping area, and I think there was a car too that was on fire. I downloaded that video. It was like a four minute video. It was like, whoa. That was right when it, it was kicking off. What was your experience with all that when you were down there? You know, it's not like it was, like I was in Michigan or anything like that, and like there was not a, it was an inconvenience that restaurants were closed, and it was just, my sense was there's a lot of drama queens. People love this stuff, but at no time ever was I worried about anything. You know, I think in a situation like that, generally speaking, whatever is a hat, whatever is occurring for whatever reason is one thing. How people react to it is a completely, is a completely other matter. And so I, so a lot of times, if you watch The Walking Dead, at first, the zombies are unsettling. You're looking at that and you're bothered, but eventually zombies are bad weather, and you just prepare for bad weather. And that's what's bad is people. And so who you trust and what's going on, that's where most of the evil comes about, is how people are reacting to the bad weather or whatever's going on. So, and we're to, we're to inform most of us on, about things that are going on or distrusting the government, all that stuff. So I wasn't really worried. Listen, I'm a tourist in Mexico. Everybody wants me spending money. Nobody's gonna interrupt me spending money, going out to dinner or going shopping. And so we walked up and down the street. And so the first day on Sunday, I mean, we were aware of some of this, people were communicating. It was unfortunate that some people were at the conference cause I was at the summit on Saturday, and then I wasn't really planning to come back on Sunday cause I just had spoken on Saturday. So we were just going to, I think hit the beach or do something like that. But it all shut down and those things were going on. People could see smoke and stuff. And it was cars and buses. And I understood that they were removing people off of cars and buses. I wasn't aware of or I didn't get anybody was blowing anything up. Listen, when you, it's noisy when you set cars on fire and you know, I've been to bonfires that were noisier than some of these. So it's not, wasn't really a big deal for me. And now we had somebody from New Hampshire, we had a number of people from New Hampshire there and one of our guys left the next day when everything was closed. The thing I thought was cool was normally on Sunday, all business, a lot of business are shut down cause you know, it's Sunday. So that was really convenient. I don't know if they planned it that way, but that worked out. And the next day was like a government holiday, you know? So everything was shut down and like, oh, it's inconvenient, the banks are closed, whatever it is. So that was all shut down. But our friend left that afternoon on the United flight. He was, you know, it was on time and we were going to leave till the next week. So I wasn't really pressed or rushed. I did know that there were some people who were going to be flying out on Sunday. And of course the airport shut down on Sunday. And so it was very inconvenient for people. And so those airlines, you know, booked their flights a number of days off because they didn't know, you know, it would have been foolish on their part business wise to like schedule the next day or stuff like that. So they pushed it out three or four days. And then again, I think it was inconvenient for people whose hotel stays wrapped up. And then maybe I think their hotels were gouging them, you know, for staying longer and that's unfortunate. And, you know, so we had people stay with us or, you know, the one guy was staying with us because of not having a room. But no, my experience of it was not a big deal. There were too many Americans that were just enjoying it. Now my Facebook feed, while I was there and after was tourist Americans trapped in, it's a bull crap, nobody's trapped, nobody's having, you know, people are inconvenienced. I was posting fake bad news, you know, this is just nonsense. It's more violent in, you know, Dearborn, Michigan than in Puerto Vallara. And then, you know, and then some people really enjoy that the government is, you know, is bothering us because it makes us look relevant. I don't share that sentiment. I think it's just nonsense. And look, the world is, I mean, you know, I mean, I'm, this year I'm gonna be 64. And, you know, it's pretty crazy. You've never seen this level of crazy in general about a lot of stuff. So that's, you know, you watch that, but I always come back around all the time. And whether we're talking about Puerto Vallara or whether we're talking about anything going on America or anything going overseas with respect to Israel, all that. What is going on is a banking collapse. And this is the way they're facilitating the banking collapse so that they can point at anything or everything except for central bankers and how they're fucking everybody. So that we don't ever have that conversation. We'll talk about Israel, whether, you know, pro or against that, we'll have wars because they're financially good business deals for central bankers and such. So we're gonna talk about all that crap except for how the banking, how the dollar is shitting the bed. And that's what's really occurring. And all this stuff is designed to distract you from, you know, we should be hanging central bankers. And then nobody knows who they are. We know the federal reserve, but who's controlling the federal reserve? People aren't looking at those families that knew this was coming. Listen, I've been waiting for the banks to collapse since the 80s and since, you know, long before quantitative easing, whatever the frick that is. So all that horse crap is really what's going on. And anything that we see going on is mere distraction. And the other thing I think that's most important really is the harm to children and all of that Ebbstein class. That is also being, you know, you're looking away from that because that's real people actually being harmed and stuff. And there should be plenty of people, you know, sent up to the gallows for the crap they're doing. And so whatever. So I'm not a big union government guy. There's no salvation for the level of gangrene going on in DC. None. There's no saving it. I knew when they, you know, Trump the first time, a president doesn't have the authority to make the kind of corrections. And even I don't even like to talk about corrections in DC. There's no correcting the level of financial bullshit that's going on DC. There's no correcting it. No one who even now, you know, whoever's going to be the next running for, they're not going to correct crap, nothing, zero nada. Stop helping the central government. The best America can do is to secure your own state. And that's the end of that matter because there's nothing more than that. And so the central government, the union government, it's done. So, and of course that's all tied to money in the central banks and all. So the level of corruption, I always say, if corruption was gangrene in the body of the central government, how healthy is it? Yeah, we're in real trouble. It's just bad. So that's really, that's what's going on. So this is what a banking collapse looks like in 2026. Yeah, it's undeniable. It's been a house of cards. You know, it's funny when I wrote that book, the control demolition of the American empire with Burwick, it came out of a conversation that he and I had where he said, you know, it's all coming down. And I go elaborate, like, what are we talking about specifically? He said, you know, the banking system is a house of cards. I said, oh, well, yeah, of course. But that stuck with me when he said it's all coming down. I was thinking like a controlled demolition. And so we see this with the money supply. And look, you've been fighting the federal government for 30 years, 40. I mean, how long have you been doing it? This has been your calling. I don't fight it at all. So no, the work I do is not a fight. So, and listen, you know, people have videos, you know, there's a popular video with Jeff, and I talked to Jeff about this where it's tax rebellion. I am not doing any tax rebellion. This is none of that. That's just drama. So I didn't like that the video said tax rebellion. This is not tax rebellion. It's an administrative process where you're just declaring the truth in what you, you're already filling out paperwork. It's bad paperwork. You don't know what you're filling out and you don't understand the terms that are in the tax code. And so consequently, people are ignorantly doing things traditionally and they have no idea what they're doing. So this is not, you know, and again, I, you know, listen, when we're shooting people, like my son, when we're homeschooling and he understands American history and all that, his sentiment to me was, dad, when are we gonna begin shooting people? I mean, it's really, it's unreasonable. And you know, look, if you read history, if you read the founding fathers, the level of tyranny that they were saying, not on our watch, not gonna happen. I'm, you know, we're separate from you, Great Britain and the King and we're just gonna declare our separation. That's a pretty peaceful, we're walking away. You try to interrupt that. We'll see you in the village green. That's, we're way beyond the level of tyranny there. We're experiencing, you know, and so, you know, Americans are extremely comfortable. And you know, and I, you know, I feel that, you know, myself, you know, you know, one of the things I'm looking forward to in the collapse when the food system collapses and listen, America is gonna be, when the food systems collapse in America, it's gonna get wonderful before it gets bad because everybody who's overweight is gonna start looking really good. It's like, damn, I haven't eaten in two weeks and son of a gun, I've never looked this good before. That's what's gonna happen first. And then your brain's gotta kick in and start to find some food. But the idea is like, I've never missed a meal ever in my life. So, you know, it's just the way it is. But our work is really a peaceful process and it's not a fight. I'll tell you, some of the rigor associated with this work is really how indoctrinated and how tradition of things is so in gear in our heads that, I mean, listen, I even refer to America as my country, America is not a country. America is a confederation of states. That's what the law, you know, the constitution, the Articles of Confederation, these are free and independent states. They have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, and do all things that free and independent states have right to do. That's what these states are. These states are countries. You're not taught that. The Federalist dogma, you know, indoctrination is to make people think America's a country. And I'll tell you, you know, the European Union is bad, but we're the European Union on steroids. And so the idea is that this government is constantly promotes like they are relevant when really they've made themselves irrelevant. And the individual would have a difficult time screwing off the federal government. But one state, one fifth of the power that's been, that's separated in America has more power than people know. But most people, they don't understand what they have. They don't understand who they are. They don't, and listen, our government, educating people of, you know, this is why people have, you know, go along and struggle is they are so ignorant and fearful, it's astonishing. And so that's the environment with respect that we have to deal with when we're inviting people and saying, hey, you can eliminate your income tax liability. People will say, did you find a loophole? I can't believe this can be true. Because if this was true, everybody would do this. I mean, that's a very common sentiment that people have. And when you really examine it and you say, no, it isn't true that if everybody knew this that they wouldn't believe it. And all you have to do is ask yourself, well, how many people put masks on? You know, that was a simple thing. And I've said before, you know, if you're a big into firearms and second amendment and you put a mask on, I promise you, you will never shoot anybody. You have no courage. You didn't have the courage to tell somebody, no, you didn't have that courage. You were like, or you were so comfortable like, well, I have to have my job because I'll do pretty much anything that anybody says. I mean, that's the American ideal. That's terrible, but that occurred. So with respect to taxes, it's not a fight. It's just an administrative remedies. This is paperwork. And the beautiful thing about it is it's a peaceful process. Everything in the light, you're not conducting your affairs like a runaway slave. Listen, people in the crypto community, this privacy thing here, they're just going to be behaving like runaway slaves. They're not on the plantation, they're running away, but then they got to hide and sneak and things like that. And that's not the same of just saying, I'm a private person, I want to keep my privacy. Living like a runaway slave is another way of making like you're free. We're talking about walking off the plantation, walking off of it and saying, okay, thanks a lot. The thing is we agree with the IRS. Another thing that is common out there is, and there's a lot of people that do this kind of work. And one of the ways that I find out whether people understand federal jurisdiction or not, is I just ask them, do you believe that the federal income tax is constitutional? Most will say, no, it's not. And I say, yeah, absolutely is. The constitution has empowered the federal government to exactly what it does. People even will ask about federal gun laws. They'll say, do you believe federal gun laws are constitutional? They absolutely are constitutional. They just don't know the constitution. They've never, maybe they've never read it. Maybe they don't understand it, but the constitution empowers the federal government to do exactly what it's been doing. I'm of the opinion that the federal government pretty much is upholding the constitution. Most everywhere. I can't think of anything they're doing that I can't point to the constitution to show you exactly what they're doing. Most people don't understand that. So it isn't a problem that they're behaving bad. I mean, I think the constitution is, it needs to be repealed because I think the central government is past, it's usefulness. So, but anyway, so that's it. So this is really, it's really a joy to do this kind of work. I mean, it's easy to, I love what I do because when people ask me what I do and I tell them I'm a freedom consultant, I'm helping people secure their rights. I specialize in federal jurisdiction. And once you understand and see this, like they say, you know, when you see the matrix, you can't unsee it. It's like, okay, I can navigate the space because I understand what the federal government does and its limitations and all that. So it's really quite profound. When I introduced you to the stage, I said that you had the coolest job name ever, independent freedom consultant. Like that is amazing. You meet somebody out in public and you tell them that's what you do. They're expecting accountant. You drop that on them. How does that conversation go? It's a joy and you know, it's really a setup. You know, I'd be out with friends at dinner with my wife and I'll, she'll like say, talk to them about taxes. I'm like, Sonny, can you stop? I always want to talk about taxes and stuff. I said, but I want to find out whether people care about liberty and freedom. I'm not trying to sell this. This is not, it's so easy to talk about this. Who doesn't want to do this? But not everybody cares about liberty and freedom. I mean, really, you know, you have to ask yourself is like, really, what is the line in which you'd say I would give my life, not only for my rights or my liberty and freedom, where's the line where I say, I will give my life for my neighbors, liberty and freedom? Where's that line? Where is it that we, you know, like it says in the declaration and you know, and that they would have, that they give their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, you know, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence. We pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor. Where are those kind of people? It's, you know, we're in a place of moral depravity. Where, you know, where is it that you would say to your children, this is worth dying for? Your life, your liberty, your pursuit of happiness? It's not about I can do whatever I want. That's not a morality. Your own self restraint, your own self government is what makes the other people's lives a blessing. Like we would tell our children when they're growing up, if you don't govern yourself, someone else will. Yeah. Yeah. It's too important. So yeah, so it's very, it's lovely. You know, some people ask me, am I an attorney? I'm like, no, I don't have such limitations. You know, I'm helping people deal with their governments, whether it's town, county and there's so much work. It's, you know, so once we help people eliminate their income tax and pull them out of the federal zone, then they're living their lives and then clients will come up with something else. I have to deal with this. You know, how do I deal with, you know, I have property, I want to rent, should I rent property? I tell people, you know, you don't, don't rent your property because you just empowered the state. If you create a lease with somebody, you've just empowered the state to be in control of that relationship. You know, I said, so if you don't, because look, did we see that during COVID? There were renters and the government said, you don't have to pay your rent because we're telling you not to go to work. Astonishing. And so everybody took it on the chin and where the bankers are, because the bankers, listen, the COVID thing was perfect for them. They weren't helping anyone. They were helping themselves. And they were saying, we'll lend you more money. We'll charge interest. You don't have to pay us. We'll just keep charging. They financially benefited massively. Every, and if they didn't want to pull you out of your house because you weren't paying your mortgage because you couldn't afford it because the government was telling people not to pay their rent, bankers were like, sweet, this is just a great deal for them. No, no. And once we found out how much of a sham it is, is there anybody ever gonna go to jail? No, not gonna happen. Well, you have easily the most popular workshop at Anarcapulco. Most people have a workshop and they pick it, you know, there's a day for it. Yours is like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, probably Friday, you might've had one. I don't know, it seemed like it was packed. Tim James came down last year from Chemical Free Body, met with you, went through your program, came back this year with a brand new passport, a different passport. Can you explain what it is you did with him? Well, now the thing about it is it's not a different, I mean, he did have a new passport, that's true. But there's nothing different about the passport. It's a federal passport. What he did differently was his application. And I don't know if he's gotten his certified documents yet, but the application is what you're signing under penalty of perjury, that's true. And so he did that differently. We've got documents in asking the State Department certify copies of his passport file, which will have a 10 page explanatory statement that's part of it. It'll be wedding signature signed by Mark Rubio. And so it's, that's the evidence that you'll have that you've made that change. It won't be in the passport itself or the passport card. A lot of people are hoping, see, that's a mindset that many times we're up against is people still are looking for permission. They're looking for the get out of jail free card, the do not detain, none of that stuff is needed, and none of that stuff is relevant. You're just declaring that you're not a 14th Amendment federal citizen, and you're declaring citizenship of your state. And so that's how that's playing out. And yeah, he's, he actually, his passport turned around in about three weeks. It was very quick. He's a great guy. See, the way that he is as a client is that he doesn't wait around for someone to just like help him through stuff. He takes the initiative. He does the work of understanding what's going on. His morality or his sentiment, the same thing he's doing with respect to IRS is the same thing that he's doing with the chemical free body and how he deals with dealing with toxins and all that. He's politically, if you will, rooting out the toxic relationship with the federal government. And he's enjoying his rights better and realizing that there's responsibility and all that. So he's a model client. And he takes it on himself to do the work. And I help him whatever I can. And right now we're just dealing with the mortgage and doing some forensic research to determine if the central bankers actually have evidence that they own his property. And once we find out that they don't, then we're gonna quiet the title and we'll remove his mortgage so that he no longer has to pay his mortgage out. So that's one of the things that we're working on for him right now. When somebody goes to, let's just use an Arcapulco as an example, these workshops and they meet with you. And I kept doing laps. I was checking and I've seen you're in there for a long time. What are they getting? What is that workshop with you gonna get them? We have a, what I've done the last couple of years is our foundational, it's not really a workshop. The difference for us between a class and a workshop, workshop usually has paperwork with it that you're doing, but a class is just instruction and things like that. So this is our foundational class. It's about six hours. And it really, it gives a background of how I came into doing this work. Some very broad freedom related concepts that we're teaching people about what created the States, what is the basis of liberty and freedom, just principles of liberty and freedom. Sometimes I say to people, it's more important for you to understand the concepts of yourself in relationship to the divine and what that is. It's like Jeff talks about your inside work, the difference between liberty and freedom is freedom is, you know, the scripture that says, and you'll know the truth and the truth shall make you free. So the idea of building truth into your life, that's in your mind, then that's gonna free you up on the inside. You can be incarcerated and be free because of the work you've done inside. Liberty is the demonstration of the freedom. That's where your government or others would violate you in your liberties, okay? That's the difference of those two words. So we're teaching people about their, some of the basis of freedom, of how they're living, how we can look at government and how corrupt they are, how immoral they are. And so many times if churches are failing or our communities are failing, we have to come back to people's their own morality that they will begin to govern themselves because self-government is one of the major ways that you eliminate government having need to do anything is when we do things for ourselves and our families, our communities and things like that. So that's the basis of liberty and freedom is that work. Then I go into some broad strokes about what created the states and the relationship or the limitation of the federal government by law, which is the constitution. We don't get into great detail, but some of the broad strokes of understanding it, then we move into the tax code. And listen, by the time we get to the tax code, the students are usually pretty full up. They need to assimilate some of this information and we really are cramming in a lot of data, but they have access to the class that we have a video online and all they can watch it again and all that stuff. Cause it does take a while to assimilate, to really fully understand what it is they just took in. It's like taking a drink from a fire hose. And usually I can see that in the students at the end of it, they're like, oh, okay. All right, so like, well, hope that was nice. But we try to get a maximum amount of information in the minimum amount of time and not really take it away from people, but usually it's an all day class and we had to break it up into different segments in the workshop. But typically at the conference, we will be talking with people every day. And what I saw at the Anarcapulco conference this time, and I was just checking messages on the website, there are a lot of Canadians and people from Australia who really would like to enjoy this freedom of not having their income confiscated. And so what I've been saying recently about that, and I haven't looked into their history and their statutes concerning it, but I believe it would be true like in America is this. If these countries basically understand that slavery is illegal, and that's not a stretch to know that that's statute and code that slavery would be illegal, and also in voluntary servitude, meaning that someone could take the fruit of your labor against your will, okay? And so we can imagine that those are, we can find the laws that say that those things are illegal. So if that's true, and if people are paying income taxes against their will, then there must be a choice that's there. And that's what we have to find is there's a choice they're making that they may not wanna be making. And let me give you an example of what that may look like. Most people don't realize a lot of times what it is that they're, where they are. I'm gonna give you an example. Canada is not a country, okay? Canada is a union of states. Cause listen, if you talk to people from Quebec, they don't wanna have anything to do with the rest of that union. So people will call themselves Canadian. Well, maybe that's the problem. Just like people saying they're a United States citizen when they really wanna be a citizen of their state. And so being a citizen of a union, so it's like this. If you were talking to a German, okay, he's from Germany. Well, what kind of citizen is he? Well, he's a European citizen, right? And just like an Italian, he's a European citizen. You see, no one's claiming that in Europe. There's the Dutch, there's the Germans, there's the Irish, I'm not the Irish, but the Italians, even in the United Kingdom, that's a union. England's a country, Scotland's a country, Ireland's a country. And see, if people are claiming to being a citizen of their union government, maybe that's the problem. And so they just don't know that because their parents or their parents' parents just went along, never secured liberty and freedom. I'm astonished that with the Declaration of Independence being a historical document to the world, and that's what it says in the Declaration of Independence. This is 250 years ago, there were men in America that said, you know, when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them to another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate equal station to which laws of nature and natures got entitled them. That's not talking about America, that's talking about in the course of human events. The moment that they said to the king, no more kings. The people of Great Britain didn't say, hey, that's a good idea, really? We still have kings today, really? That seems archaic. Why are, and in America, we have kings, people are so stupid and ignorant, they think the presidents, they want them to behave like a king. And it's just pure stupidity. And so, but you'd think that that's the way people, they would say, well, I'm glad we're all done with this king and queen thing. Nope. And the reason that people love kings and queens, I'm gonna tell you the reason. The reason that there are is because people do not wanna be responsible for themselves. Yep. They ignorantly call these elected representatives leaders. What a crock of shit. And so that's the kind of people. And because our civic organizations or our churches are not empowering people to have a commitment, a relationship with the divine personally with no government in the middle of it, because churches are failing the people, people are ignorant. And they're like children have to be governed. Like, it's just bad. And that's the condition of the world, really. In the United States, would it be fair to say that the vast majority of us are voluntarily paying taxes when we don't have to? See, if they were knowledgeable, I would say yes. But if you don't know, you have a choice, it's really difficult to say that I'm choosing this. That's, there's a remedy that's out there that we don't support. It's called revocation of election. You can't revoke election if you don't know you're making an election. And again, that word may be choice, okay? I mean, how many times have you been asked, well, what do you wanna be? Do you wanna be a citizen of the union or do you wanna be a citizen of your state? And then you wouldn't answer that question. You'd say, well, what's the pros and cons of each? Well, the union, the citizen of the union government, you'll be taxed and regulated in most everything you do. Over here, you don't have those liabilities. Over here, you'll have federal gun laws because of who you're saying you are. Over here, you have the second amendment, shall not be infringed. Over here, we're regulating your food and drugs. Over here, you don't have no such liability. I mean, that's like that. So most people would choose not to be taxed and regulated in all of their income. Either inheritance, tax, capital gains, all that stuff. All that's eliminated by making a different choice. So there are people that think, there's all this BS out there about show me the law that requires most people to file and pay. Well, we do in the class and I show you it's the constitution. And so that's what the law is. That's the supreme law of the land, the power that's been delegated to the federal government. And in their jurisdiction, they can do pretty much anything they want. The constitution reads this way. It says they have exclusive legislative authority in all cases whatsoever. How broad is that? Pretty broad. That's very broad. And so if you look at the federal laws, you'll see it governs most everything they do. That's what you have to do. So they write it all up and you're expected to obey. That's because you're choosing that and you don't know you're making that choice. You ask or asked are you a citizen in your passport application? You're in your driver's license, in your voter registration, even when you're called to jury duty. When you get a bank account, when you get a credit card, all these things. Are you a citizen? Are you a citizen? I mean, listen, they keep asking that again and again and again because that's the choice. It's astonishing that even when you're dealing with federal drug laws or even gun laws, you'll see and you may not ever understand that every single time they're prosecuting somebody, it always comes back to, well, we want you to start filing in pain. They always are coming back. Make sure you're filing in pain. It's amazing. Even resident aliens that are in America are actually not residing in the United States, the District of Columbia. Most all resident aliens in America are actually non-resident aliens and have no income tax liability. The only reason they have an income tax liability is because they filled out their visas like they're coming to the United States District of Columbia. They don't know that. They're thinking America when the paperwork is pointing to the District of Columbia. And so they're creating their own tax liability. This is why the federal government wants all these resident aliens here. This is because one, they don't vote. So they have no say and they're all paying. It's a great deal. And most are really not resident aliens. And we teach people that stuff. It's astonishing. And listen, everybody fills out a tax form, fills it out under penalty of perjury is true and correct. IRS is just going along with what you're saying. That's the voluntary nature of it is the choice of the kind of citizen you're making, not the taxation. If you're a US citizen or a resident alien, you have a tax liability, be sure to file and pay worldwide. It's astonishing. So what happens when you educate people on this process, they go through it, they change their status, and then they have to go out into the world and deal with the TSA, the idiot at the bank, all these people that have no understanding of this. Now, are they tasked with trying to educate these people and say, listen, I know that this is a little wonky, but actually this and this, and I can imagine and like, go get the manager, then the manager comes, the manager has no knowledge of this, go get the branch manager. So how do you navigate this? That is exactly it. And if you want the great illustration of that, how did the Jonestown, the Jones plantation work out? It's that. So it was they themselves were starting to manage and govern themselves. They were shutting down discontentment right in among themselves. So the slaves themselves became the enforcers of the slavery. It's a beautiful system. It's astonishingly good. It's good like this. It's good like when Agent Smith had Morpheus and he's looking out the windows. He says, isn't it beautiful? Billions of people living out their lives, oblivious. And land of the free home of the bay, let's have another Super Bowl game. Listen, I get chills with the jets flying over. This is exciting theater. And it's all designed to just, you know, keep filing, keep paying, keep going. And it works. And you know, here's another thing that's astonishing. Okay. Because some of the, and if you listen to them even now, even now, the propaganda is if you don't give up the Ebstin files and all this stuff or the war stuff, we're not paying the taxes. Okay. So what's going on right now? Well, your income taxes don't go to run the government. That's another thing is that, you know, you've got to pay the government needs the month. Nah, it doesn't look at the Grace Commission report and the Reagan administration. Grace said that not one nickel of the income tax that is collected goes to run the government. It goes to interest payments and transfer payments on the debt. So you're actually not working for your government. You're working for the central bankers. Yep. How do you, are you okay with that? No, I'm not. When I, I have nothing but disdain for, and I don't even know who they are. And so the idea of that is like, I came to a place, this was back in the nineties when I said, you know, this is going to be the hill I die on. I would rather be dead or be incarcerated than give them one more fucking nickel from my labor. And that's where I chose to, because I said not to these central bankers. And listen, read Andrew Jackson, if you want to read how he felt about central bankers. And listen, read Jefferson on central bankers. I'm telling you, they are the scourge of the earth. Yeah. And so when I saw that, it's like, oh, so, because listen, if you don't understand taxation, you know, what the law says, how taxation works, if you don't understand how money works, you might be paying more taxes than you think. And so consequently, that's the environment we live in. So, so yeah, so, so people can make these choices and make these moral choices. So instead of doing the tax resistance and saying, I'm not going to pay, that's not going to do anything. Listen, the IRS is okay if you don't pay this year. You'll just have interest in penalties on there and they'll collect it, don't worry, they'll get it. Take a year off and, and you know, masturbate like you're having a good time, you know, resisting the war effort. And you think you're holding back your precious Federal Reserve notes. They're going to be there next year. Oh, you didn't file last year. Well, be sure to file both this year. Here's your penalties, here's your thing. Did you hope you had a nice time? And you know, now pay. And here's the, here's what it cost you to do your pretend, you know, rebellion. If you truly feel this way about ways it's going on, then let us help you stop filing and paying. So, I mean, it's not a rocket science, but I want to get back to you, the statement that you made about, that is where the difficulty is, is in how you navigate and do business and stuff like that, okay? And we pull all of our clients that have corporations, we shut all their corporations down. Because listen, everything corporate is governmental. So you're going to do things in the private. You're going to come out of the public and you're going to be in the private. And it's a, and it's a thing to do. So there's some, so depending on the people, you know, people have bigger companies or whatever, all those things have to be navigated. And so it is an art in dealing with bureaucracy, whether that's governmental or like dealing with banks and places where they're asking for tax ID numbers or social, you can learn how to navigate yourself. And the joy of it is this, when you are knowledgeable about these things for yourself, then you get to practice the art of being firm without being an ass and saying, I understand, you know, and the person you're usually dealing with are the least knowledgeable about anything. Tax accountants, you know, like accountants and certified public accounts, they don't read the law. They just read the information about how to apply and how to fill out forms so that people will comply. They're not knowledgeable of the law. It's not something that they even look at. And a tax attorney would be more likely to look at the law. You don't usually deal with those people, but they're usually friendlier because they understand when you're talking about concepts of jurisdiction and abiding by the law, they understand it. We're doing the law, most people are not. See, they're doing the tradition of things because they don't know what it's based in. They're just going along and tumbling along like, they don't understand how the constitution has empowered the federal government to do what it's doing. So once you see and understand the tax law from how it's applied, then it becomes an easy pathway and you can learn that art of dealing with it. And for me, I, you know, in New Hampshire, for our clients in New Hampshire, I'm usually dealing with my government and going down and meeting with the director of motor vehicles or I personally know the secretary of state of New Hampshire. I mean, he's live interact with me many times. We went down, I went down with my wife. I'm doing a naturalization process with my wife in New Hampshire, not with the federal government. And so, you know, so it's nice in New Hampshire to actually know the people that are in government. And I'm not talking about the workers. I'm talking about the people who are, the people who are at the top of those agencies. And then even reps, I probably know 100 state reps. I mean, I've had state reps call me and say, do you have any bills you want us to submit? That's power. And you know, and it's not about me. It's because I've made myself useful. I've made myself known to people that liberty and freedom is a matter. You and your listeners know where you are in your neighborhood among your friends. You should be known as someone who is knowledgeable and who cares about liberty and freedom. That should be what you're known for. And having that kind of influence among your family, your friends, and, you know, and people around you. Your elected representatives should know you. Not so much that you should know them and yet most people don't know that there's volunteers saying, hey, I want to represent you. Anyway, so that's what we try to instruct our people of about is who they are and to be able to wield that. So what happens is you show up and they've never seen somebody like you when you come in and say, no, I don't want to do that. So here's what I'm going to do. And you start saying how it's going to be. That's power. Most people are like, can I do this? Is this okay? Or it's like, no, no, no, no. Don't ask if you're going to do. Say, this is what I'm going to do. You're not telling them what they're going to do. They can do what they want. They're a free agent. They work for the government. They're told what to do. But you're going to say, no, I'm not going to do that. I'll write this letter. I'll be back. All right. So, so listen, what's your name? Let me get, I want to know who you are. You know, you're like the boss. You are the boss. And so you get to behave like that way. Not an obnoxious boss. Just one that knows they own the company. And so that's what we really want people to be is in that place of power. Because political power is real power. It's not that it's, I mean, it's corruptible, of course, but it's power. Look, political power is waging wars. It's doing this crap. It's setting up banking. It's passing laws that, you know, you know, it's just, it's just, it's, that's what's playing out, you know, so it's crazy. The problem is I am known as the guy with my friends and family who's passionate about freedom and liberty. And that's the reason why they won't talk to me. Oh, that's okay. Well, that eliminates those people. But listen, I'll tell you like this, that's true. And when the shit's hitting the fan, they're coming to you. They're going to come and ask you, they will. Yeah, so because that's because of ignorant and fearful people, you know, are looking for someone to tell them what to do. And again, then again, some of those family members would turn you right in. They may. Yeah. And so my siblings, my sister worked for Homeland Security. Oh boy. Yeah. And so, you know, and, but they have a huge respect for me because of who I am and my love for them. And so we have a very close relation. My brother, he's, both of them are retired from the Navy and my brother worked for the city of Virginia Beach for years, you know, and so, you know, so, but they know me, they know what I do. I've been doing this, this kind of tax work for 30 years for myself. And you know, how many people have ever said to me, you know, it's like, well, we'll see you when you're in jail or, you know, oh, that's gonna, it's like, no, listen, I'm doing what the law says. There was a time when the FBI called me, was calling about someone else. And he said to me, he said, don't you believe that people don't have to file and pay income taxes? He says, is that what you promote? I said, well, what we teach in our classes that all US citizens, regardless of where they live and resident aliens have a filing requirement, have to file and pay. That's what I teach in my classes. He's like, you do? Yeah, absolutely. That's what we teach. If you are a US citizen or a resident alien, you have to file and pay. And that's the law and the Constitution supports that. You know, we didn't have a conversation about what kind of citizen you're choosing, but that's what I can show you right from the instructions, exactly what it says. And so that's what we teach. I, that's the reason I believe we're not having trouble. We agree with the IRS. Make a better choice. They can't tell you who you are. You mentioned that someone would come to you and they've got a corporation and you would dissolve these corporations. Right. What do you replace them with? Or is this a sim, is this, when you remove a cancerous tumor, what do you replace that with? That's a great word. No, that's a great word. Well, as you see, I'm not a believer of magical paperwork that you know, everything's administrative is one part. And that's really many times the easy part. And but, you know, there's an adage of Frederick Douglass. He says, power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out what people will submit to and you'll have found the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them. And these will continue until they're resisted with either words or blows or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those in whom they oppress. And so when you're going into a corporation, there's a lot of tradition of how things are going on. And every entity in the corporation from the officers to the employees have an expectation and a relationship of how they're doing business with this company. So if the owners of the company, if it's a private company, and let me just say that all corporations are public, not private, but if it's not a publicly traded company, let me put it that way. And so the president is also what they would consider the owner, because they have most of the control. And of course, if they're shareholders, they're really the owners of the company and they're employing officers to do what they do. So if people have to understand how corporations work. So you're gonna pull the whole thing and acquire the corporation and its assets in your private capacity. So it'd be like an individual coming up and saying, I'm buying the whole company. And so they buy all the shares, they buy, they take control of the whole thing personally. You know, that would be how that may look. But if for someone who's the owner is also the president, see they've taken the company because they've got a tax ID number. They said, I like this company, I'm in my state and I wanna do business. I've gotta get a bank account and blah, blah, blah. So they go to the district of Columbia and say, give us the number so that we can function here. And so they give them a tax ID number and they just took their company and say, it's now in the district of Columbia when they're really not, they're in their state. And so that's how they create their own tax liability. And so then the state also has a relationship the same way with the federal government. And so now they have all these employees. So what we would do is we'd come in and let the employees know things are changing. And if you're valuable to the company and you wanna stay and work, then everybody's going to be let go, fired or whatever it is. We're gonna give you a timeline. And if you'd like to come on, we're gonna give you a raise. Because see, when you stop doing withholding, the company saves money and then the person who's getting paid, they actually can make more money because you're cutting out the middle pedophile. And so you're able to now have more asset to share with the two that are important, the one that owns the company and the one that's gonna serve. So that person can set up a contract and do things personally. That employee is gonna learn how to do business on his own. Now, if that person, the employee wants to file and pay, well, then they'll be responsible for their own taxes. They may have a contract and they can be separate and do their own thing. Or, but if they wanna stop filing, then of course they can learn and all that. So that's something that we would offer the employees is if you wanna come out of this and stop filing and paying, you can do this too and we'll assist you in that matter as well. So we'll help them navigate and make all those changes. You're gonna get better workers because they're now getting a piece of the profits or they're actually getting, they're now starting to do their own business is gonna be a much better place for them. And that's really very personal and intimate because not everybody's in that place. Some people don't like that responsibility. They wanna be told what to do. And so that's a very personal thing for people. But we've done classes in large companies in which the accountants and the tax attorneys were actually in our classes. And those people sit back and their jaws open and they're like, holy crap, when they really see this federal jurisdiction and how it's constitutional and how it's being played out, they're astonished usually. And so they're like, well, I can't wait to see how this plays out, but it's really quite profound. Can I ask, I'll run my own personal situation through you and you tell me what would be the best thing to do. I have a S corporation. I'm the only person there. I'm the only one. So there's no requirement to go tell everybody what's going on. I have thoughts about, let's say I decided to go through your program, leave the federal jurisdiction, move into the state. I had thought before, maybe what I wanna do is get rid of this S corporation and do an unincorporated nonprofit association of 575E in California. Is that something you need to do? Or does all of this fall away when you make that change from federal into state? Well, whether you're talking about California, which there- I'm in Colorado, but it's a California corporation, the 575E is California. You're saying I'm doing my business and son of a gun, I wanna be a part of government somewhere. I don't. So if that's not what resonates with you, then stop that. And this, listen, the same thing goes with nonprofits. How, what kind of energy is saying, I'm going to be nonprofit. I'm not gonna really prosper because I'm nonprofit. It's like, get out of all that gobbly gook because that's for federal citizens and resident aliens and all that stuff. You'll be coming in the private. I don't recommend having it be a thing. If you wanna come up with a private trust, we do trust with our clients, but you don't have to ask yourself, why is it that I want this kind of entity? And again, because whatever you do in your private capacity, you're gonna be able to secure rights much better than even creating another thing. The value, there's two major values of having a trust. And again, this is not one with a tax ID number of anything, anything such as that. But one is it keeps it out of probate. That means you, you know, a trustee may die and then you just replace the trustee. The asset stays in trust and so there's no probate. That's probably the number one reason people put things in trust. And the other reason is level of privacy. But even in that, people will say, I wanna get a bank account. So then they're still saying, I wanna get a tax ID number. A lot of people have trust and they have tax ID numbers. That the federal government looks at a trustee and a trust as an alter ego. There's no federal protection of a trust if you have federal citizens as trustees. So none of that is what we have. And so the idea of that is you want it to be private as well, like a private contract and that's how the trust is set up. And of course, those things are well established as entities for people to do. But again, always these, the exercises to stay out of the federal zone. All income taxes collected in the states are also based in the federal income tax. So the state also taxes the U.S. citizen and resident alienate. So if you don't have a federal income tax liability, you're not gonna have a state income tax liability either. And so you don't wanna come into those entities. And then there's another level of control that you have to examine and take a look at is how are states regulating or licensing certain free, occupation of common right, that you can function in some capacity without getting permission. That activity is illegal in the state unless you have a license is how they typically write that kind of law, which is a violation of human rights. But most of the time it's because they're federal citizens and resident aliens and stuff, and that's how they're still regulating the statutory citizen. And so, but we have to look at those statutes, understand the basis of what is allowed. It's even in sales tax, when you're looking at that, you'll see that most constitutions say that only the legislature has the ability to tax. And so many times they're doing a tax or fees coming from the executive branch, and those are actually unconstitutional. So the executive branch may be, you may have fees or it may collect certain fees in some capacity, but there has to be choices to avoid them because the law doesn't support that activity. But the moment they start practicing something that's unconstitutional and nobody makes a constitutional argument about it, you'll get tradition, even though it's not, there's no basis and support for that. God, how much of this is tradition? How much of this is just, we're doing it because our parents did it and we were told to do it and... That's right. Well, I mean, like, look, there was a time when Roe v. Wade was the law of the land, and then it wasn't. Right. I mean, so what happened? If people don't understand how these things work, if they look to these people in the judiciary as kings and as above the law, then they're not gonna understand what's really happening. And listen, they didn't, the federal government did not do anything other than say, we have no basis in the constitution that says that we can regulate abortion. There's no power delegated to us. This is a state matter. That's the only thing they did. They didn't eliminate it or change anything. They just said, it's not our subject matter. That's all they did. They didn't abolish anything. They just said, it's up to your states. And now the states were very clear on how they felt about some of these things. And that's why you see some states will say yay and the other states will say nay. And then they get to play it out. And then the beauty of that is in the marketplace of ideas and in liberty and freedom. If people find that tyrannical, they can move out of those states easily. They don't need permission. They just say, I'm moving next door to this state and that's good. And so what happens is bad law guts the state. Bad governance, guts, listen, there's a mass exodus from California. They used to be the fastest growing state population wise. And now Texas, people are moving to Texas because of the change in that. And what happens is if the populations diminish in the state, that means that seats are eliminated in Congress. And states will get more, because it's based in population, Texas will get more congressmen and stuff like that. That's how this stuff all happens. But listen, are they teaching anything about how government works and how it's supposed to work or how to have limited government? Are they teaching that stuff in high school before kids turn 18? No. You have all the Democrats are liberals as educators in all these educational institutions. And so they're just learning that communism is the kindler, gentler choice. It's astonishing. And so are you gonna get people that know how to push back government? Do high school kids ever learn that when they're on a jury, they can judge the case and the law? No, parents don't know that. We deserve the government we have. Unfortunately, I agree with you. And the morality of that is some people believe that this is how God deals with its people, is they reap what they sow. Now, sowing your reaping is a good thing. I plant seeds, I reap them. But if you're planting shit, you're gonna get shit. And until you say, like, wow, this is not what I really wanted, you're gonna have to make a change. And I'm talking just the morality of it. And listen, the most, and I'm not one that's I'm not against having government. Okay, I'm not. And I'm not, I don't hide that. Now, listen, broad stroke, I don't wanna eliminate the United Nations, but no authority or power. I want people to talk. It should be a talking place. You make it into a big fricking coffee house and let them have a nice time. But they usually become problematic when they think they have authority. All right, should the states be talking with each other? Absolutely, they're going to anyway. But the federal government, that union government, in its present state is useless. It's useless. There is a determination that I have in determining what the federal government should handle. And it's this, if it's important, nothing, they shouldn't handle that. Whatever's important, they shouldn't handle that. Let them handle what color things are. That's okay, you know. But anyway, so, but the idea is, is that the most important voting should be in your town where you know the person that you're, this is my neighbor. And so that's the strongest government is in your own town. And in which you know who, and if the people that are volunteering to be in your town, if they don't know even what a right is, if they don't know things about liberty or justice or any of these things, then say, what are you gonna do in there? You're gonna meddle in my life in affairs? No, you're out. And then the county should be less powerful, more talking, less powerful. Maybe they wanna do some economic thing in which there's a lot of volunteerism, okay? They shut down all, the government should do no charity work, that's for churches. You can't collect taxes that give to other people. That's illegal. You know, and so you're not helping businesses with stupid government, let people take care of themselves. So that's the way. So counties should be less powerful than your town. The state should be less powerful than the county. And the activity for freedom, mind people. And listen, if you're not having people that are going into government, at least saying that I wanna secure rights, I wanna disempower government, if there's no government, there will be a government, it'll be made up of men who will force their will upon you and they're not promising to secure your rights. There's nowhere on the planet that men are not governing, whether legally in the sense of saying that they're going to abide by and not violate you, or it's just because they have the force to do so. So I would rather deal with someone at least is telling me they're gonna secure my rights than I can hold them to their word, then that I'm gonna live in a place where the guys drive up in the jeeps, they got AK-47s and they wanna take a piece of my action or they wanna take my wife, my children, whatever they wanna do, I have no means of protecting myself, not interested in that. And there's places like that on the planet. So that's why I'm a fan of government in that way, but let me just tell you, the only purpose of a just government, the only purpose of government is to secure rights and nothing else. And that's what it says in the Declaration of Independence. So I have no other purpose for government other than securing rights. Let's say, let's wrap up with this. Let's say that somebody hears this and it is like a light bulb going off and they're thinking, holy shit, I didn't even know this was an option to me, better late than never. They wanna reach it, they wanna go destinationfreedom.org, they go and read up about your stuff. What then happens? If they say, I am actually ready to do this, I'm ready to make this change and I wanna get started with this. What does that process look like for them? Well, for many people, they wanna see what I'm talking about and the basis of where this is in the tax code and that logic and reason. So anyone can sign up for that class on the website. It's under register for classes, it's in the center of the website and all that. Or they can scroll down on the homepage, they'll get right to the class links to go to that. And we take gold and silver and cash and cryptocurrency, I only take like Bitcoin or privacy coins, Monero and Pyrochain. And then, but if they are on board and they already wanna move forward, they wanna do the full passport process and there's a lot of support that comes with that and we do other things for them. Then there's a button right at the, as soon as you get to the website, it says full passport process, do that. They sign into the website, they have to provide a hold harmless agreement, get that notarized so we can identify them. And then they can fill out a passport application that we have there, they can print it out, scan it back to us at statesitizen at destinationfreedom.org. So they can fill out that cause we're gonna fill out their paperwork. We have the documents we're gonna create for the State Department. And then they can make payments with PayPal if they wanna do their bank card or debit card. We take that as well. So that's all there. If they just read the prompts, then we'll connect with them. It's very personable. If they're a full passport client, I'll be engaging with them. And we have weekly calls that, a lot of support, a lot of hand holding. We're growing at a certain rate and right now I have some staff that helps us with our communication. She's been away since we've been back from an Arcapulco. And, but we intend to grow and have more staff come on. We are seeing ourselves grow quite a bit. There is a backlog of work that we have, but that's really all it is. It's just going to the website, signing up for it. And then once we have their paperwork, then we can begin their process. And that usually takes three or four weeks to get their passport. And, but there are certified documents that we do in the FOIA request. That may take six months or it depends on how busy Mark Rubio is in invading countries. That takes a lot of time. So he's not always at his desk. And so he's got to actually sign his paperwork. So you can expect six months before he can get to his desk and start signing paperwork for you. So that's part of that. Once you get your certified copies, then that part of the process is done. Then we help you navigate how you're doing business. We look at that, talk about what changes you have to make. We also help our clients discharge debt. So not only do you get to save the 25 to 30% of your income, not paying state or federal income taxes, but if you have a slew of credit card debt, then we also will help you discharge that and you can become solvent. That means that immediately we have paperwork that you'll be asking the banks. And the great thing about this is, so if someone's paying out $500 a thousand a month or more in this credit card stuff, you can immediately eliminate it. That's a raise for yourself. And now you can put that into crypto or you can do something else besides give it to central bankers. So the income taxes is no longer going to the central bankers and that credit card debt that you have can stop immediately as well. And that costs for that for clients. We don't do that stuff without them being clients. Cost of that is 1776. That's how much the debt discharge class. And again, it's immediate. It's not consolidation. It's not a renegotiation of any of that stuff. It's eliminates it. We asked the bank like they ask you, we asked the bank and said like, where did you get the funds from? That you're saying that you lent to me. Because if you bought a computer and you call the computer store and say, did you get your money from the bank? They'd say, yeah. Now, where did they get the money from the bank? If I haven't paid the bill yet, how has this guy got money yet? Well, he's just been credited. Just comes in as a credit on his thing. Because the bank isn't paying it with their own assets. That ain't happening. And they're not taking depositors assets and giving them to the computer guy. They just credit his account. It's a ledger. And so then what we do is just like the bank says, when you want to deposit $50,000, $100,000 of cash in the bank, they say, where'd you get that from? Because they want to know if you're competing with them. They want to know if it's drug money, because that's what they do. They want to know if it's human trafficking, because that's what they do. And they want to know if it's coming from terrorists, because that's what they do. So they want to know these things because they don't want you to infringe upon what they do. And so they asked you, where do you get that money from? Well, that's what we asked them. Where did you get the funds that you're saying you're lending to me? And the truth is, they didn't. They don't have, they're not giving you an asset. They just extend credit. They're alleging that they have a liability if you don't pay. There is no such thing as that. So because we asked them to validate or discharge, they usually don't show up with anything. We know their responses. And we say, all right, we're done. Have a nice day. And if you're not addicted to this credit, then you'll be fine. You'll all of a sudden, you'll notice you have more cash in your pockets. And the way you spend, it changes in your head. You're no longer financing things, you're just paying cash. And that's a life changer. So that's what we do when we're discharging debt. It's not based in any of the strawman stuff, none of the A for V stuff. This is based in the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, where the banks can't change the nature of the relationship that they have. So that's part of the things we do for our clients too. So many people want that. And so we help facilitate. So you do a big raise real soon if you begin this process. And it's really quite, I mean, when you look at how much you're paying out, this is nothing. I mean, what we charge for this is, we've tagged our process to an ounce of gold. And so we're under the cost of the ounce of gold. I think we're 4,500 right now. But as the ounce of gold goes up, the price of this will go up. So there's a great time to get involved because I think gold bounced down just under the five grand. But we feel that has that same kind of value. If you will free up your capital in this area, you're gonna have plenty of money to save and to invest in yourself. And that's a huge benefit and blessing. They say that an ounce of gold back in the Roman days would buy a new toga and a new set of sandals and everything. Nowadays, it will buy you your freedom. If you know the right people, that's the great Christopher Grimes board everybody. Go check out his website, destinationfreedom.org. You're crazy if you don't sign up with him. If you wanna connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the website best place to do that. Thanks everybody. We'll talk to you again soon.