BREAKING: Vance Refers Walz for Criminal Prosecution

Today on Seculo we have breaking news as Vice President Vance sends a criminal referral to the Department of Justice for Tim Walsh. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments. Recall 1-800-684-311-0. And now your host, Logan Seculo. It's only Tuesday, June 9th, 2026. Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. Phone lines are open. 1-800-684-311-0. 1-800-684-311-10. Covering all the topics that you need to hear about today, some breaking news items, as well as, of course, what's going on in California. Rick Rennell is going to be joining us, as we did see. The votes miraculously tallied in. And of course, Spencer Pratt is, looks to be knocked out of the race. So we'll discuss that with Rick, as well as some other issues that are happening, including Vice President Vance refers former Vice Presidential candidate, Tim Walsh, to, I referred, a criminal. Fraud and, like, what are you, refers a criminal, what's the word it's like? Criminal referrals. Criminal referral. That's, I just flipped the words. A criminal referral. He didn't refer to a criminal. He said this guy. We'll find out, won't we? He thinks, like, imagine you're, you have a resume and you have referrals. But they're only criminal. That's not a good referral to have at this point. What this is, and it's on official letterhead of the Vice President. So you know it. It goes to the Assistant Attorney General Colin McDonald. And this is of the new National Fraud Enforcement Division. This is Doge, right? Also, this is involved with Doge. So people who say the Doge doesn't exist. Right. Well, this, and this is specifically in a division within the DOJ that is now handling fraud investigations. And this is, says yesterday, you and I received a letter and report from Congressman James Comer, the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee. The 205 page report contains shocking allegations about the failure of senior officials in Minnesota government to address widespread fraud in the federally funded social services program in the state. It goes on to specifically point to the current governor and Attorney General, Tim Walsh and Keith Ellison, and is going on to ask the department to respond to the referral appropriately and urgently. So basically, open an investigation, look into this, as there is a lot of evidence in that report, and we'll get into that in the next segment. But this is the Vice President of the United States ahead of this fraud task force that was started at the State of the Union Address just a few months back, is already sending a referral to the DOJ to investigate the governor of Minnesota. Let's not forget. Let's not forget. Just a few short months ago, Tim Walsh was running for reelection, and he decided, I'm not going to run for reelection. Why? Because it had become abundantly clear to his constituents that the fraud and the abuse that was happening was happening not only under his watch, but maybe with him turning a blind eye to it. Therefore he decided, I am no longer going to be seeking reelection. So this idea that all of this is done without some kind of, you know, or only with political malice. Look, we got to be careful with that. I'm not saying we don't. I'm not saying we don't look at the fact when things look like they may be politically motivated. But when you have a moment here where even the candidate themselves, the current governor, the former vice presidential, uh, Democratic pick just a couple of years ago said, I am just, it's too much going on here. I'm going to not be running. Well, you know, a little bit where there's smoke, there's fire. What you have here is that JD Vance seems to be elevating this significantly. 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Main topic of the day is vice president J.D. Vance refers Tim Walls. He says, I can't say it right, Will. He's put in a criminal referral. That's right. He's sent a criminal referral to the Department of Justice for it. You could say, or he has referred the governor of Minnesota for criminal prosecution to the DOJ. The paragraph from the Hill is, Vice President Vance said Monday he will refer Minnesota Governor Tim Walls and State Attorney General Keith Ellison to the Justice Department for a criminal fraud investigation prompted by findings from a House Oversight Committee. I feel like we can do it better. I feel like we can say that with less words. Let's try. But we have an hour to figure that out. J.D. Vance refers Tim Walls for criminal prosecution. Yeah, to the DOJ. That's the title of our show. We should also hear from the vice president himself on Fox last night. This is bite two talking about what had just happened. He went over to Fox or not over to us. I thought you had him on the line. I thought you were going to say line three. Let's go to him. He's calling in. Vance is on line three. Let's hear what he had to say on Fox right after they sent this letter by two. I left the White House to come here to do this interview with you. Before I did, we actually referred this particular case to the Department of Justice for full criminal investigation. We are not going to do what the Biden administration did and make judgments of the law before all the facts are in. But here's what's particularly troubling about this to me is, is Jesse, you had people within Governor Walts office who were saying, you know what, this looks like fraud. It looks like these Somalian illegal immigrants are doing something that's very shady. And then you had people who shut them down, who shut these whistleblowers down and said, you know, you're a racist or you're a xenophobe for asking questions about where taxpayer money is going. What that means to me, Jesse, is that clearly people weren't taking fraud seriously. Whether it rises to the level of a criminal violation, we're going to investigate it. And of course, if it does rise to that level, we're going to prosecute it. We have to. And here are the four different issues that are raised by the vice president from this report from the House Oversight Committee, but in this referral to the Department of Justice that the committee has alleged the following based on its review of testimonial and documentary evidence. And remember, this is a 205 page report. Senior officials in the Governor Walts office and Attorney General Ellison's office were aware of credible systemic fraud concerns in social services programs as early as 2019, despite later public statements by Governor Walts suggesting otherwise. Instead of trying to stop widespread fraud, Governor Walts' administration retaliated against employees who tried to raise concerns, going to great lengths to keep them quiet, including intimidation through regular check-ins with high-level agency officials and threats of fraud. These and other failures by officials in the state allowed an estimated 300 million in federal child nutrition funds and potentially 9 billion in Medicaid-related funds to be lost or placed at serious risk. Fraudulently obtained funds likely ended up in the hands of international terrorist networks and certainly funded the lavish lifestyles of criminal fraudsters while vulnerable populations were harmed. And we know that the vice president has been going around the country. He was just in Ohio talking about issues with Medicaid there. We know that he has been in California and we're going to get to the concerns of California in many ways later in this broadcast because of some recent things that have happened. But the ability for fraud to continue and grow in this country, whether it be through federal Medicaid funds or child nutrition dollars, it's got to stop. And when you think about a country that has so much national debt and when even the concerns of fiscal conservatives have been ignored for so long, even if we were just to deal with fraud, it would put the United States in such a better place financially and economically because if you look at what's going on in California, what's going on here, and if people are not held accountable, and I don't just mean the fraudsters. I mean the people that are allowing this to continue, the programs that have been created in such a loose way, and whether it's electorally, like the governor who will no longer be the governor, he was trying to go for a historic run, or even if there is criminal culpability, something has got to be done to right the path here because if we don't, then the fraudsters are going to keep getting away with it. They're going to get more and more brazen and more programs are going to be created on top of these that allow this to continue to grow. Yeah, absolutely. And look, I want to hear from you about this because when we talk about this, it's also the concern. When we have Rick Rennell joining us a little bit later, we're going to talk about what's going on in California. Obviously, the public, and this is not dissimilar to this because it's kind of either fraud or feels like fraud. What did they say? What was the guy? He appears to be. Doesn't it feel right? Doesn't it ring true? Doesn't it ring true? And I would say there's even similarities in something ringing true that I've ever seen. Obviously it was a ridiculous one, but it rings true that you are seating into people doubt. You're seating into people thought that their money is being improperly used, that their votes aren't being counted correctly, even if, let's say we find out he's fine. Tim Walls did nothing wrong. There was no fraud and abuse. Well, we know that's not the case. There certainly was fraud within Minnesota, but let's say he's not held accountable. Not accountable. Not accountable. Right. Same kind of thing. So, there's a lot of investigation on what went on in California during this current LA mayoral race and find out nothing happened. Well, that very likely could be true. It could be that the votes purely, I mean, look, we've talked to Rick before for months leading up to this saying that Spencer had a very big hill to climb and did not get your hopes up too much. The difference is because the systems stink, because the systems seed doubt. They seed a part of your brain that will go, this feels unfair. This feels wrong. This feels like something shady happened. And now you've already undone so much of the trust of the American people. We have to get back to those systems also and fix the systems. It can't just be about holding one person accountable or two people accountable for fraud or abuse that goes wrong. We also have to go back to what is creating that seed of doubt in people. Like I said, even if all of the voting in California is completely accurate, and this is just how it played out, it doesn't matter anymore because you have planted this seed in people's brain that will always give you a hesitation and then the democracy unfolds. Well, that's the entire thing. And remember, I will point back to Rick Grinnell, where he would always say things of whenever the left is shouting about something that they see as a problem, it's typically what they themselves are doing. And you go back to that whole line of, we must protect democracy. You have to save democracy. Democracy's on the ballot. Democracy's on the line. These are the mantras of the left for years now that they have been hammering into the collective consciousness of the American people. Here's the real thing that they've been, as they've been pointing at this, and really all it meant was you have to vote for the left. You have to vote for Democrats in order to save democracy. Here's the real problem. And this is not a conservative or a liberal problem unless they make it this. It's what you're talking about, Logan. It's the trust in the institutions. It is, do you believe when you go vote that your vote, your one vote is being counted and going where it's going for and that everyone else's is one person, one vote as well? It's the same thing with this. Do you believe that the Medicaid system? Let's take policy out of it. Do you believe that the system that exists is on the up and up? Do you believe that the child nutrition programs are on the up and up? And instead, when you have a vast swath of the American public think Medicaid, not even in a policy term of is that the best way to help people or the expansion of Medicaid, is that the best way to help people in their situation? Take that all out of it. If people see Medicaid and immediately think that's just an entire institution ripe for fraud, I don't trust Medicaid. Or you start to think, if someone is saying they're on Medicaid, I think they're a fraudster. If you don't keep the programs clean, if you don't administer them to the American people for the people that need them for the reason they were legislated and you allow it just to be a cesspool of fraud and theft of your taxpayer dollars, it creates division not just between the American people where you look at individuals that may need that assistance and say, I think you're just a fraudster. That's bad in and of itself. But you think our government can do nothing big and nothing good because all they do is open up doors for people to steal your money. Absolutely. What do you think about that? Phone lines are open, 1-800-6-8-4-31-10. I like the ACLJ's hard at work too. So I want you to become an ACLJ champion. If you can, that's at aclj.org slash champions. Will, this feels very much like the way your daughter described our show. That's right. Which I think you need to, we have one minute. I think you need to tell this story because if you're a long time listener, this is great. Well, she was trying to explain to her friend, they are second graders rising, third graders, trying to explain what we do here when we do this broadcast. And she said, well, her friend goes, do they rehearse? She was not really, but they prepare and then after they prepare, it's a bunch of people in a meeting, a lot of people talking, then they go in and they say, blah, blah, blah, we can't keep doing this. And that's how she described what this broadcast is. I mean, that's the most accurate description of this show. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, we can't keep doing this. Phone lines are open, 1-800-6-8-4-31-10. I want to hear from you, whether you're watching on YouTube, whether you're watching on Rumble, whether you're listening on Terrestrial Radio, give me a call, 1-800-6-8-4-31-10. Throw in the comments too, where you're watching from. I'll just be watching those. I like seeing because it's a worldwide audience. And I always love seeing all of the places that we reach with this broadcast. We'll be right back with more on Secular. Welcome back to Secular. We do have some phone lines open and some people have called in already. 1-800-6-8-4-31-10. I want you to give me a call. Let's go ahead and take a call right off the top. I'm going to go to Eric in North Carolina. Go ahead, Eric. Hey, thank you, fellas, for your work. I'm literally just angry, ticked off, frustrated at what's going on with Republicans when it comes to the Save America Act. Broad begets fraud. What's happened over there with Spencer Pratt over there in California? Sure. Pratt was literally robbed because of what's going on in Minnesota and Tim Walp. The Save America Act is the very thing that's going to stop fraud that's going on in Minnesota. But also would make out that the election that happened over there in California where Spratt was literally robbed because of the Save America Act type of procedures that would have prevented this from happening. lost because it wasn't in place. So these conservatives, so-called conservatives, the John Thunes, the Murkowski, the Tom Tillis, he's over here saying they're not realizing that they are literally destroying not just their party, they're destroying their country and they are actually enabling fraud to continue because it leads to more fraud. So I'd love your comment on this, but I'm really angry to be honest. Eric, a couple points there. One, the Save America Act specifically wouldn't necessarily affect the mayoral race in California, nor would it necessarily the governor's race, because those are state elections and the Save America Act would be more related to federal elections. There would be a differentiation there, and so California could continue to make their own state rules in that situation. And we think we know how they would go. But I do understand your frustration, and I think it actually is the perfect example of people trying to do something. Now, I am frustrated with certain Republicans as well that aren't moving it. I don't necessarily blame the majority leader, John Thune, as many people do, because there is only so much you can do. And we are always here to tell people, be careful what you wish for in some ways. The Save America Act right now, even with the ones that are voting against it, like you mentioned, Tom Tellis and Murkowski, they would still have to get over the filibuster. That's the issue. And so I am not for what people want necessarily John Thune to do, and that is to scrap the filibuster, because especially we have a midterm election coming up. What happens if you lose the Senate? Then they start to push through every single terrible leftist program, and there's no check on them anymore. They push it through, and they keep going until they get everything they want. So the filibuster, while imperfect, especially the way it is, there is the talk of the talking filibuster, etc. I don't want them just to scrap a filibuster, because I know what comes after. We get one thing, we get a Save America Act through, but they will get everything they want, because they are uniform with their leftist ideology, unlike Republicans. There is actually a very wide array of conservatism and moderate on the Republican side, for better or for worse. But back to the entire thing. We do talk about what happened in California, and this is something, if you get the ACLJ emails, I printed this one out today. It's great. It comes from Jordan, and its subject line is Deja Vot. A little cheeky there, a little funny, because it's talking about what we saw in LA. Seems like you see the same thing over and over, Eric. You're talking about this. The frustration, and this is something we actually have a brief at the Supreme Court, we represented members of Congress, I believe it was 29 members of Congress, and this has to do with that after the election counting. And there's actually up at ACLJ.org, you can read it. The fight for election day is now at the Supreme Court. ACLJ brief addresses key arguments. It's already been heard. This is Watson versus the Republican National Committee, and we should have an opinion at the end of this term about this. As we represented 29 members of Congress, the key question is this. Does federal law require that mail-in ballots be received by election day, or can states extend that deadline by days or longer after the election is concluded? This, once again, federal elections, but could have trickled down to things like the mail. That is one of the big problems with the mayor or race in LA. Post-marks, it's not. It's that if it was sent by the day of the election, they can get it up to 10 days later. Which, how would that work? How did it take 10 days if you live in LA and sent it in LA? It took 10 days to get to the election office. Don't know. But if it's post-marked by that day, they can still count it for up to 10 days. That's a big problem. What we are arguing at the Supreme Court is that election day means election day. They have to receive the ballot by then, not just be post-marked by then. And that's what we represent members of Congress on. We hope to have that decision soon. The term is not much longer. Only a few more weeks. Normally they are done. We should have at least an answer. By the end of this month. So we will hopefully get a good opinion in that that is kind of setting the rules. And a lot of times the states have to, if they're receiving federal support for their elections, even if it's a state election, will have to conform to those rules too. But Eric, it's a problem. And it goes back to that. They say they want to save democracy over and over and over again. But all of the things they do to continue to win in their agenda, in further their agenda, makes people trust that democracy less and less. And let's say all those votes are on the up and up. Let's take this hypothetical. No one's going to believe me in the chat. That's fine. Let's say it does. Well, it's not about whether it is on the up and up. Right. It's just the emotional drive that comes when these kind of delays happen and tranches a vote show up. That's what I'm saying. It's beyond whether you believe it to be true or not. But let's say every single votes on the up and up, every statistical anomaly is just that, an anomaly, but it exists. It takes the credibility and throws it out the window. And it makes people trust the system less and less. It's a danger to the democratic process. And what happens? The next time there doesn't have to be this mirage or this red mirage they call it, because people just quit voting. They feel so defeated. And I think that's kind of the game plan to some degree as well. As someone would once say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We can't keep doing this. People are saying they need shirts to have us saying that. We can't keep doing this. Phone lines, again, are open for you. We are headed to a break. 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We're back in less than a minute. So don't go anywhere or find us again, archived later on. However, get your podcast. We'll be right back. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Seculo. And now your host, Logan Seculo. Here we are, everybody. Second half hour, Seculo. This is Logan Seculo, Wil Haines in studio and a lot of you calling in and a few lines open as well at 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-310. We're talking about a few different topics, kind of fraud all over the place. We'll feel like we're just fronting it up here. Whether we're talking about JD Vance, put a criminal referral on former vice presidential candidate, current governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, or whether we are talking about all of the fun election coverage coming out of the state of California. And Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us next segment. I'm sure we will dip our toe in that conversation a little bit, as of course, we saw Spencer Pratt be essentially statistically eliminated, what it feels like from the race after holding a pretty strong second place lead for a very long time until the votes were finally counted. And all of a sudden, those votes seem to all go for Nithya Raman. Now, again, as Will and I both said, this is California, this is Los Angeles. Do I think there's a chance that the number one and the number two candidates are Democrats? I think that's highly likely, or liberals, let's say, because it's nonpartisan. I think it's highly likely. Did I think Spencer Pratt had a good chance? Not he had a chance, but we were always holding out expectations hopes. So this election, those votes may be completely on the up and up. What you've done, what you've done by doing these ridiculous kind of counting situations where your days and days and days, you at least have opened the door to the thoughts of fraud. If he had lost election night, I don't believe we'd be having this discussion. I believe you would have thought, well, California is California. Los Angeles is Los Angeles. They did not want to vote for common sense, even somewhat, you'd say, conservative, leaning topics, or maybe they didn't want Spencer Pratt. Okay. I think we would have all moved on by now. But when the guy had the second place lead by such a comfortable margin for days and days and days, then all of a sudden, dumps of votes come in and it eliminates him statistically from being able to get there. While you still have days to count the rest of the votes, there's a lot of doubt that is being seated in this. And there's a lot of doubt in the system. There becomes obviously a lot of allegations. Social media runs wild. We got to figure out how to stop this part of the situation too. Because even if this is on the up and up, it stinks and it doesn't work. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-310. We only have two minutes in this segment, so probably not going to take some calls on this one. We'll take calls in the, you know, we have one segment with Rick Rennell, then after that, I'll take your calls. Well, and that's maybe encouraging more people to call in. If the focus on fraud, not just in elections, not just in the government programs, but if that overall focus on rooting out fraud in our systems, it becomes one of the legacies of the Trump administration. Would you consider it a success? Regardless of if full, you know, mass deportation is what you voted for, or finishing a wall is what you voted for, or no new wars is what you voted for, or whatever of the kind of platforming things that you latched onto with a Trump administration in 2024. A big part of it was doge, was rooting out fraud, waste fraud and abuse, right? And while that original incarnation of doge has kind of morphed into what is now the task force led by the vice president, if even the awareness in rooting out and some accountability is held, and people start to understand how deep the abuse of our system goes, would you consider that a successful legacy to this administration? Yes or no? Pretty simple question. 1-800-684-310. I want to hear from you. He does want to hear from you. I do. Blah, blah, blah. We can't keep doing this. We're just going to run that into the ground. Day one. Maybe we should save it for a little bit. Chill. We should chill. But you know what you can do? Let's call it 1-800-684-310. We have an ACLJ champion today. We should probably go through all of these amazing talking points that our team presented to us a few minutes before air. Because, well, the ACLJ is fighting back. We need supporters who show up month after month to make it all possible. We call them all ACLJ champions. Become a recurring donor. It's tax deductible. Who cares about that really? You're here to support the cause. You're here to support the work that we're doing here. Incredible team. Everything you see here. These fights don't pause. These showy doesn't pause. ACLJ.org slash champions. Welcome back to Secular. We're joined now by Rick Grinnell. Rick, one, you had always been very cautious on the show. I mean, as much enthusiasm was out there for the Pratt campaign and a lot of national attention. You were always very cautious because you've lived in California a long time. My concern here with this news that now, Nithya Raman has taken over the second place and will be advancing. California keeps doing the same thing. And what journalists tell us is there's nothing to see here. They even created a new phrase back in 2020 before the election, the red mirage, so that they could just use this. Everybody knows about the red mirage. It's the red mirage. Why is it only one party has a mirage happen? But instead of trying to be open and be like, we so trust our systems, we want everyone to look at it, we want to open the voter rolls because we know we trust that these results are on the up and up. They do the opposite. Instead of giving people confidence to vote in California, it seems like really their goal is to say, it's not worth your time to vote here in California. Well, that's what we're fighting against the most is to say, it's not worth it, give up. It is absolutely worth it. We are getting better at this every single election. But I have been one of the people warning to say, don't think that this is easy. Don't think that this is just something new in terms of their fraud. Don't think that we're going to win statewide every election just because we're winning on social media. All of that is true. Let me just warn everybody that the fraud that is going on in California is legal fraud. And I know that sounds crazy, but they changed the rules. It's immoral what they did. But because they control the entire state in Sacramento, all of the leaders of every city, every major city are Democrats. They're loyal to Gavin and they all march in step. They don't need Republicans in Sacramento, so they create their own rules. What they've done is a triple whammy to ensure that they always win elections. One, they have bloated voter rolls. They do not clean the voter rolls. They let anybody and everybody sign up to get on the voter rolls. Since they don't check, then that becomes this huge mess. Then they take that huge mess of a voter roll and they claim that everybody should have a chance to vote. So they mail every single person on the voter rolls a ballot. They don't check the names. They just send everybody in the U.S. mail a ballot. And remember, the U.S. mail service constantly warns you not to send money, cash through the mail, because it's unsafe. And so they admit that the whole system is unsafe for mail, but they send out all of these ballots in the mail to people. And with messy voter rolls, a whole bunch of people who are not residents of California moved away or get ballots at their old addresses. This creates chaos and a mess. And the organized people who take ballots and vote for other people, this is happening. And how do we know? Because they don't check voter ID to make sure that it's one person, one ballot, one vote. They let the whole messy system go forward. They don't check IDs. It's illegal to ask for an ID. And the voter verification on the signature is such a mess and so low that the Democrats who control all of the secretaries of state in counties, in the major cities, in the major counties, and in Sacramento for statewide elections, they love this messy system. They take advantage of it. They don't want to change it, which is why Gavin is scrambling to make sure that there's no transparency and that the federal government doesn't come in. And they spin it and say, oh, the federal government is trying to steal our elections. Now, they're stealing the elections through the process that they've created, and they don't want anyone coming in to see the mess. Jared Ranere Rick, one thing that I remember back, we had you on the day after the elections, it was just last week. And one thing you said that stuck out to me at the time, which now, seeing everything, was how frustrated you were at the day of turnout. It was, you said, embarrassingly low that the active participation in the election in the city of Los Angeles, people would have had to be there to vote, was so low. And I can't help but think it's because you know how it works. You know the system that is through the mail versus who is actually there to vote, that it was going to need to be a lot bigger than what it was that day for these things like red mirages that they come up with to not happen. As we look at this, I think it is the conversation we've been having since 2020 at least, but even before that, because of wanting to protect the integrity of our voter systems, you think about the fight over the save act, you think of what necessarily affected the local elections obviously in California. But this whole situation goes back to the very party that tells us that conservatives are a threat to democracy, have created such a convoluted definition of what democracy looks like that no one trusts what they're selling anymore. And I just want to get your thoughts on that. Well look, I want to leave people with hope. We are making changes. My organization Fixed California has been working for five years, one to clean up the voter rolls and two to register common sense conservatives. Remember, we have a very low, roughly 50% of society is even registered to vote and voting. And that's really sad when you think about it. But we are making a difference. And I think what we have to be able to do is encourage the federal government to come in and use the power of transparency to look at our voter rolls and make changes where necessary. We've had some outside organizations, Judicial Watch came in and sued LA County. One, LA County did a settlement with them, so that's a win. But they didn't really follow through the LA County on their commitments. And so we've been trying to push them on that. What I think the SAVE Act and voter ID, which is on the ballot in California for this November would do is really go after the voter rolls. How do we clean up the voter rolls? How do we ensure that people that are on the voter rolls and receiving this automatic ballot from the state of California and from other places? How do we make sure that they are legal residents of California, that they currently live here, that they didn't move away 10 years ago? That's the biggest problem is ballots for people that used to live in apartments, used to live in houses, and those ballots still keep coming, which shows that they're not cleaning up the voter rolls. We see this all the time. We get hundreds and hundreds of people complaining about receiving too many ballots. Apartment complexes across California are notorious in the mailroom to just have stacks of ballots. And people who have bad motives will take those ballots, fill them out, send them back in. And that's why the screaming that we hear from Washington, DC, speed up the vote counting and count every ballot. No, I want to first start with the voter rolls. Do we have accurate voter rolls? Are we following all of the laws? I don't believe that we are, and that's the heart of this. I encourage people to make sure they vote yes on the voter ID in November. That's where we really upend the system. I think that's the main thing we've got to focus on is, Rick, you've been very honest with us in telling us, look, the Spencer Pratt buzz that was happening, as much as we were all excited about that and thought it was a chance of him coming at least in second place. They look to keep our expectations, what they were. I think what it is, though, and if that night, if election night, those results had come in like they are right now, none of us would have been all that surprised. And we probably would have been like, okay, they did a very good job, not quite there yet. It's the problem was when you create this sense of distrust in the system by these days and days of voting. So I think that's why people are getting concerned. How does that get addressed? How does just getting people's peace of mind in these elections get addressed? Well, that is the number one thing I have to say, Logan. That's the one thing I've been concerned about with all of the excitement coming from Washington that we're going to win. Spencer's going to win. Steve is going to win. It's very difficult when you look at the math. We still have work to do. So I travel to state and I tell people, but this is going to take us four or five more years. We've been working on it for four or five more years. It took Florida about five years. We're much bigger. You've got to concentrate on a very unsexy, not very fun initiative, which is registration. Absolutely. All right. Well, thank you, Rick, so much for joining us. We've got a lot of calls that are coming in about California. We'll take them in the next segment. We'll take them on all the topics we covered today. So make sure you are following us all on aclj.org. Make sure you're following Rick and all of his efforts also in California. Like I've said, California, New York, all these places where you seem like people are just saying, eh, they're lost. Forget about them. No, no, no. You just got to be careful. You got to spend time. You never know what can happen. Be a part of that today also at aclj.org. We are going to take your calls and comments coming right up. And I want to hear from you. We got only have one line open right now, but that may change. You never know. Some people hang up. Send me a little hold for like a half hour. If you've been a hold for over 20 minutes, I'm going to get to you for sure. Those of you who are under 20 minutes, I'm going to do my best. And with that being said, I want you to become an ACLJ champion. If you can think about it over this next break, which is only about a minute and a half, two minutes, go to aclj.org slash champion scan the QR code you see on the screen. Do it today. We'll be right back with more on secular. We made it here, everybody. 1-800-684-3111. 10. You want to be on the air? This is your last chance. Forever? I don't know. Busy the lines. Never again. Oh no. That's terrible. One day I'll do that. I bet you will. One day I'll go. No more calls. Sometimes you like to do very major reactions to crazy. Quit calling. Why don't you call me? You asked me to quit cussing out the phone screen. They do that. You're not going to get on the air. Some do. There's some basic rules here. Yeah. Phone lines are open. Two people just hung up. Martin in North Carolina. You called him crazy. Martin in North Carolina, he ain't crazy. Martin, you're on the air. You're watching on YouTube. Thanks for humoring us. Go ahead. I hope you weren't saying I wasn't crazy, but that counts. We'll find out. We'll find out. Look, you got about a minute, just to we'll see. Go ahead. Okay. It's pretty much a recap now. I was watching Trish Dragan podcast and she had on there where the press was having an interaction with Mike Johnson. The president says there's fraud. The president, what do you think? And he basically keeps it cool in the fact that there's a parents of impropriety. Where have we heard that before? And that we know with everything going on, it doesn't pass the sniff test so to speak. But he keeps it in the reporter again asking, where's the proof? He said, it's so convoluted. It'd be hard to prove, but we're going to still work on the SAVAC. And that's what we need to do because again, in between your segments, you have part, I believe the gentleman was talking on Cuomo that there is evidence, small as it may be, where a lady was guilty of putting, of listening. Illegal ballot harvesting, right? You're paying people to give her their ballot. And I think Martin, that is the case in every election on different levels of scale, that there was always some percentage of fraud. Let's not pretend we live in some perfect world where there's not somebody pulling something. That's always the case. It's whether it's mass fraud. It's whether, as Rick said, legal fraud. Well, I think you also have to look at it this way as well. If it's not in this way that someone is behind the curtain, controlling the strings, pulling different levers, making sure one candidate wins. But when you have what Rick is even talking about, when the voter rolls are so messy that they're mailing out ballots all across the country, and we know people who were getting ballots for addresses that they lived at 35 years ago, that this is a situation where you look at this and you say, okay, a U.S. attorney, that's who was on with Chris Cuomo. Chris Cuomo is saying to the U.S. attorney, you have no evidence. It's the same thing, same talking point, Kristen Welker said to President Trump, but where's the proof? You have no evidence. The whole thing is don't look because you have no evidence. No, the whole thing is this doesn't look right. We need to investigate. That's what investigations are. But it still goes back to that fact. You know how difficult it would be because of the way they structured the system to go after every single person who voted that wasn't supposed to? It would bog down the court system. And also for an individual, the crime wouldn't necessarily be that big of a fine. It's not like you had this grand conspiracy individual who lives in Indiana that used to live in California that voted, that's extremely liberal. So all these cases would bog down the court system, be almost impossible to find every single person that voted improperly. That's kind of what Rick was referring to of why it's legal fraud and not that it's legal, but the system has been built in a way that encourages this and is almost impossible to track down. All right. Thank you, Martin, for calling. I'm going to try to get to at least those. Been a hold for a while. Let's start off. Let's go to Julie and now we're getting line four. Julie, go ahead. Hi, gentlemen. I've been waiting 29 minutes to say blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You can't keep doing that. You can't keep doing that. Go ahead, Julie. In addition to a few more things, I just want to give a shout out to my friend Jane and Fairview Oregon, another ACLJ supporter, too, regarding you two coupling together, JD Vance's referral to be as distinct as possible. In my opinion, you just need two more words and those are Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan. Well, Julie, the reason this one was focused on people like Keith Ellison and Governor Walts is because this was a report. The evidence or allegations that came out of the oversight committee were focused on the fraud in Minnesota. But what have we seen from the governor of, well, not the governor, the vice president of the United States, he has gone to places like Ohio, worked with the governor there to show where Medicaid fraud is happening. He has gone to California, where we know there has been a lot of similar fraud that they're uncovering. And look, so I think that they're looking at every state, whether they're red or blue. So we'll see. Maybe unlike the first term vice president, he's also showing his work, showing what he's doing, because we know there is a very, very high likely chance he'll be running for president very soon. And that those will all kick off in the next six months to a year. I know there's been a lot of debate whether he will or he won't, but we know that's going to be different than most first term vice presidents. Let's go ahead and continue on. Let's go to Cliff, who's an ACLJ champion. Cliff, I just noticed that you're a champion. I apologize. That is on me. I failed you, Cliff, but go ahead. At least you made it on. Yeah. Well, blah, blah, blah. I've been using on gutter for the last two weeks, you know, and I've been hitting tonsil neck and soon going to phone, which is my call is he's not helping matters any. Every time they go to recess, they keep the floor open. That's not helping matters any. Donald Trump has never had a recess appointment. If I'm not mistaken. And not only that, why doesn't he take committee leadership away or threaten to do it? He's not helping matters that any at all. And thank you guys for all you're doing. Peace out. Thanks, Cliff. Peace out to you as well. I honestly, I wish you'd gotten to him earlier. We only have two minutes, 20 seconds. So it's all on the cover. I think you can do it. Here's the thing. And I think that's why also the midterms when people are saying it's going to be a full referendum on the president, you can't say it's going to be a full referendum on the president. All, now a lot of that will be, but you also have members of Congress that haven't really been doing their job. When you look at the House of Representatives, it's been hard to even get together votes to pass an agenda to get it to the Senate. And then you have to deal with the filibuster issue. So yes, some of that is leadership. Some of that is, is not having a coalition that really has a firm grasp on what they want for their agenda. And what you see is not a lot happening on that side. You got a minute and a half. Let's take Sandy Spell for a while too. Sandy, go ahead. Hello there. Hey, go ahead with your. Can you hear me? We can. Yes. I am a transplant to Idaho from California. I lived in California many, many years and saw all of this unwind and, you know, just progress as far as these voting things are concerned. When you were talking about how ramen has now come in second place, I think it's very interesting and something to look at is that Karen Bass's percentages haven't changed. 100% Sandy. Only ramen. That exactly what I'm talking about. If you saw this huge group of voters, likely Democrat voters that are voting in the mail, you'd think, again, this is where it just builds that, that seed. It plants that seed of suspicion, of distrust because you go, well, why didn't her numbers go up significantly? Why did the percentages stay the same for her? And you only saw the delta between Spencer Pratt and Nithya Raman shift. People are going to be asking those questions and we're going to hopefully get some answers, but here we are with that. That's going to do it for today's show. I appreciate it. If you can become an ACLJ champion, I would encourage you to do it today. Scan the QR code. You see, or go to aclj.org. 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